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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: I am your host Quest Love.

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Speaker 1: We have Team Supreme with us. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know what, guys, I've been getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: feedback on the internet's and saying that I'm not asking

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Speaker 2: enough of Team Supreme where.

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Speaker 1: Their life is right now? Someone actually, wow, they actually care,

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Speaker 1: they care.

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Speaker 2: Someone went like, yo, you used to check up on

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Speaker 2: how Fante's house is doing and any repairs.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm.

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Speaker 2: Asking how how's your uh, how's your time been?

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Speaker 1: Fonte? The last month or so, it's been good man

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Speaker 1: doing doing more repairs. We did.

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Speaker 3: We did windows and we're waiting on like windows like

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Speaker 3: the gum because like they measured something wrong so they

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Speaker 3: gotta come and replace them. But the windows, but else

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Speaker 3: I had to replace. I had to replace my age

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Speaker 3: rat unit that went out. I think that was actually

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Speaker 3: last summer that went out that went recording right No no, no,

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Speaker 3: my a, Yeah, so I do that.

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Speaker 1: So did that and yeah, but other than that were

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Speaker 1: killing man. I'm cool. It's good here.

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Speaker 2: Uh Steve, how's how's your life going?

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Speaker 4: It's going keeping it moving. I'm inspired by the reopening

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Speaker 4: of everything and hoping that have you.

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Speaker 1: Been going places? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Hell now, so you're places opening, but you're not going

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Speaker 2: to these places I'm finding.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm finding my solace and work, going to going

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Speaker 4: to work every day, as as we happened for a

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Speaker 4: long time. But now that the audiences are coming back,

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Speaker 4: it's uh, it's it's another step.

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Speaker 1: I feel you.

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Speaker 2: Last night I went to uh, I went to a

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Speaker 2: brother Love event and I think I think I stayed

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Speaker 2: of all of two minutes.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: That's the other Oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the miss the missus wasn't happening that like this

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Speaker 2: second we walked in and it was like a nightclub.

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Speaker 3: Are they requiring at at fallon? Are they requiring like

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Speaker 3: vaccination or for the audience, like what's you gotta get?

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Speaker 1: You gotta get vaccines and and.

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Speaker 6: You know cars that they had the kids feeling out

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Speaker 6: at the CBS.

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Speaker 1: Oh guard homemade bootleg joints their hand. That's great. How

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm great, I'm great. Working a lot podcasts after the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And you got three podcasts, you're like your like quest love.

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Speaker 6: Here, I'm trying to be sir, I'm trying to diversify,

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Speaker 6: and by the time this podcast airs, I would have

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Speaker 6: had my first museum showing. My father would have had

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Speaker 6: his first museum showing for his photos at the National

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Speaker 6: Museum of African American Music in Tennessee. So we've been

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Speaker 6: curating that, me and Deianna for Black Music Month, and

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Speaker 6: it's been a lot and it's I'm just happy that

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Speaker 6: it's probably gonna be over by the time you'll have.

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Speaker 2: Word to fuck out. Congratulations, man's thanks, that's what's up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We are honored to have

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Speaker 2: a gentleman with us. Yes, I consider him a gentleman

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Speaker 2: and a friend. He's pretty much accomplished the world in

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Speaker 2: the past two decades. Wait side question, Mark, does it

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Speaker 2: even feel like you've been You're like a you're a

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Speaker 2: twenty year veteran, you're a twenty three year veteran, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're You're not like our kid brother anymore.

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Speaker 1: You're you're You're.

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Speaker 2: I was just looking like, Wow, Martin's been doing this

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Speaker 2: shit for twenty years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Mark looks old.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was about to say. You look the same.

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Speaker 7: No, I guess none of those things And you know.

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Speaker 7: Of course, we all know that as you get older,

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Speaker 7: pockets of time, uh they quicker because they're less a

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Speaker 7: fraction of your life. But it is bizarre, And I

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Speaker 7: think like when like, certainly to me, the people I

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Speaker 7: grew up, you know, looking up to you Q tip

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Speaker 7: like you don't like when you guys And I'm not

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Speaker 7: trying to blow you up turned fifty, Like I certainly

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Speaker 7: like you didn't feel fifty to me at all. Like

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Speaker 7: that's kind of bizarre, But maybe that's because I need

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Speaker 7: to just not think that anybody's older who's older than me.

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Speaker 2: You literally, if I were to see like my memory

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Speaker 2: of you as a nineteen year old or twenty year

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Speaker 2: older versus now, I wouldn't tell the difference, right, Like

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Speaker 2: you have a you have a gene and you that

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Speaker 2: might be the cousin who black don't crack because you're

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Speaker 2: you look the same, Uh.

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Speaker 7: You don't, stew I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What anyway, y'all.

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Speaker 2: You know he's accomplished musician and songwriter, producer, label CEO

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Speaker 2: and still an accomplished DJ. If that doesn't impress you,

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Speaker 2: you know, check his resume. Name him Adele Winehouse Mars

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Speaker 2: Meriwether Cyrus Wialle DiAngelo freaking Duran Duran. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to that part. Seven time?

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Speaker 2: Am I getting the number right? It's definitely seven time

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Speaker 2: Grammy winner. Yes, yes, okay, including the coveted Producer of

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Speaker 2: the Year. I'm only asking that because even now, like

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Speaker 2: people keep fudging my numbers and they never get the

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Speaker 2: number five right. They're like two time Grammy winner quest

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Speaker 2: Love three times. I kind of want to be that

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Speaker 2: guy that's like Grammy. Yeah, you know, I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Love Supreme, the

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Speaker 2: One and only ark Onson.

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Speaker 7: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where you Where are you right now? Mark? You're

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Speaker 1: in your your lab?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in my lab in Soho in New York.

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Speaker 7: I just moved back in. This is the place I

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Speaker 7: actually had in the mid two thousands, right when I

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Speaker 7: met Amy. And you know, I was in this place

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Speaker 7: for a couple of years and then moved back to

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Speaker 7: England for a while, moved to la and you know,

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Speaker 7: because of COVID and people fleeing the city like they did.

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Speaker 7: I was walking past this building and it was actually

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Speaker 7: on Amy's birthday and I was just like like feeling

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Speaker 7: a little sentimental, like, let me just buzz up and

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Speaker 7: see what's see what's in there? So I buzzed in

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Speaker 7: the the landlord I kind of gave I have horrible

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Speaker 7: making long winded stories that don't get to the point,

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Speaker 7: so please put me.

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Speaker 1: That's what.

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Speaker 7: Okay. So I was like, hey, I don't know if

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Speaker 7: you remember, Mark, I used to be on the fifth

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Speaker 7: because I wanted to come upstairs. He's like, what, you

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Speaker 7: want to rent the space again? And I was like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I came upstairs and I see this abandoned probably what

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Speaker 7: so you know, I really just came in thinking of Amy.

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Speaker 7: And then it just led to me being.

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Speaker 1: Back here, and then you got cond into ring it again.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I loved I forgot this place has a

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Speaker 7: really good vibe. It was never like a very like

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Speaker 7: power station. But the but Norah Jones's first record, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you right now, don't give it up,

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Speaker 2: because I mean I have a I have a certain

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Speaker 2: superstition when it comes to whenever producer's upgrade, and so

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Speaker 1: I gotta grow and I gotta expand. But I can

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Speaker 1: show you.

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Speaker 2: The history of where the slow wan starts, and it's

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Speaker 2: So you know, if if this is, if that's your

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Speaker 7: Can I definitely I've been on the other side of

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Speaker 7: I remember getting a call from this guise and I

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Speaker 7: in the end, but like I know that that what that?

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Speaker 2: So I'll ask you, and I actually said this on

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Speaker 2: asking you certain questions in real life, knowing that one

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Speaker 2: for those of us that don't know, could you please

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was born in London. My parents are English,

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Speaker 7: about most of my life musically is more is kind

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Speaker 2: So wait, let me ask you about your your time

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Speaker 2: in England. First of all, are you consciously aware or

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Speaker 1: Accent sneaks in and sneaks out?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's fucking terrible. I mean I used to hate it.

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Speaker 7: I mean when you moved to a country. I moved

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Speaker 7: and I you know, they call me, call me, which

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Speaker 7: doesn't make any sense because yeah, they call me, call me,

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Speaker 7: then and then you try and lose it to fit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, how many pairs of booms you got?

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Speaker 7: I have like almost snapshots in my head, like partial memories.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the first to admit I was today years

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Speaker 2: to Mick Ronson no, which I think the whole world

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Speaker 2: how is this a common mistake that all of us

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, it was crazy because even before like Wikipedia,

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Speaker 7: for her to be, like, wait, is there some fucking

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Speaker 7: I think mc ronson's widow sued the paper at that time.

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Speaker 2: I never It's never even occurred to me that I

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Speaker 7: Also, Wikipedia is like the easiest thing to sort of

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Speaker 7: Far as my dad managed bands, and he he came

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Speaker 7: kind of dynamic persona.

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Speaker 5: And how many of them?

439
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 7: How many Ronsons there's Okay, so there's my mom and

440
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 7: dad had three of us, and then my dad remarried

441
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 7: had three more Ronson's, and my mom remarried and had

442
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 7: a couple more Joneses. So there's ten, ten brothers and

443
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 7: sisters altogether.

444
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: Yike, yeah, okay, speaking of which, Yeah, I was going

445
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: to say, why it's it's Andrew Rochfort who would bring

446
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: if you remember New Jehan from three seven thousand and

447
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: nine in the Black.

448
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 5: Lily Days to.

449
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: Our very first show when we moved to London, Okay,

450
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: and that's how we met New and then New became

451
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: our tour manager.

452
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: But at the time she was dating Roachfort, so that's

453
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: how we knew Okay, Yeah, that's how we knew him.

454
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: All right.

455
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: So in addition, like I know, of course I know

456
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: Sam DJs, I know that she Ronson is I assume

457
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: fashion designer? Yeah, and that's not your shout out on

458
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: the jay Z record, but your sister, yes exactly, you'll

459
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: take it. But like, is anyone any of your other siblings?

460
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: Are they accomplished musicians as well? Or just in terms

461
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: of producing and songwriting.

462
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, my brothers, like my brother Alexander is really talented.

463
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 7: He's in LA and he's more in that kind of

464
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 7: like avant garde LA. Seemed like he did stuff with

465
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 7: Ario Pink before it was bad to say Ario Pink's name,

466
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 7: I guess, but uh right, I forget. But yeah, just

467
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 7: like just cool, more weird shit than I do. And

468
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 7: uh but and then and then my brother Chris actually

469
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 7: lives in Miami and he's like part of terrorist squad

470
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 7: and he like makes music with like poohgre and Scott Storage.

471
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 7: So like, yeah, everybody's everybody has a has a kind

472
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 7: of musical gene somehow, except my family in England, who

473
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 7: I'm very close with. They all decided to like do

474
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 7: real ship. So they're like lawyers and you know, business

475
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 7: and that kind of stuff.

476
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: I see, Hey, I heard his story once about you,

477
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: and I thought, this is weird that we kind of

478
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: have this thing in common. Can you talk about your

479
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: interning at Rolling Stone at the age of twelve?

480
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: I believe yes.

481
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 7: Wow, So you know, one of the parks of growing

482
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 7: up up in New York City and on the Upper

483
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 7: West Side of my stepdad being a musician. It's like,

484
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 7: you know, the cool people were over a lot of

485
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 7: the time, and whenever I jan Weena would come over,

486
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 7: the founder of Rolling Stone, like I knew exactly who

487
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 7: it was. I was a you know, nerdy kid. I read.

488
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 7: I loved music, and I loved everything about it, and

489
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 7: like I would read Billboard and the trade mags and

490
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 7: liner notes and stuff just because I just wanted to

491
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 7: absorb all of it. So when Yan would come over,

492
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 7: I would always just like want to grill him about stuff.

493
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 7: And I'm sure it was sweet and to a point

494
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 7: it was probably annoying because he just wanted to hang

495
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 7: with the grown ups too, But I would just.

496
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: Really am as in, like why did Jagger get like

497
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: four and a half stars for a primitive cool world?

498
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, Like why did you give the police don't

499
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 7: stand so close to me eighty six remix such a

500
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 7: bad Like I would really like it was like showing

501
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 7: that I probably read it. And I think like he

502
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 7: was very to me and probably part exasperatedly once he

503
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 7: was like, listen, just stop, I'll give you a job

504
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 7: this summer, just like stop bothering me please. So so yeah,

505
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 7: I went to Rolling soon and for the summers when

506
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 7: I was twelve, thirteen, fourteen, I was I interned there

507
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 7: like and I was just like manning the phones. I

508
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 7: was doing all sorts of shit like that. At that time,

509
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 7: they had their own chart. They had their own album chart,

510
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 7: which was a very random thing of calling up mom

511
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 7: and pop stores around thirty mama pop stores and then

512
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 7: they would average and then make their own chart, which

513
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 7: is kind of weird because they could have just called

514
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 7: Billboard and be like, hey, what's the top ten this week?

515
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 7: But you know, they had their own shit. So that

516
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 7: was partly my job to call these mom pop stores.

517
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 7: My voice hadn't even broken. I was like, Hi, I'm

518
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 7: calling from Rolling Stone and we just want to know

519
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 7: you're ten, you know. And then I would have to

520
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 7: compile the chart then go down to the art department

521
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 7: and tell them what the number one album was so

522
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 7: they could put the little picture in their box hofs

523
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 7: with the bucks. So you were.

524
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Responsible for that.

525
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, nobody should have made me responsible for that. So

526
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 7: I went down to the art department and that year

527
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 7: the Batman soundtrack, the Prince Soundtrack that week was number one,

528
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 7: and they were like, go tell Jenny and art the

529
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 7: head of art department. It's Batman's you know, it's the

530
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 7: number one record. So I go down and I'm like

531
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 7: walking around. I've never been in the art department before.

532
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 7: It's a different floor. I'm like, hi, like I'm looking

533
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 7: for Jenny and they're like she's just there, and I'm like, Jenny,

534
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 7: She's like, what do you want, kid, I was like,

535
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 7: Batman's number one. She just thought it was like a prank,

536
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 7: like some kid just came down to just say like

537
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 7: he loves like Batman or something. And I was like, yeah,

538
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 7: it was the album.

539
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I was going to say that, out of all your

540
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: life accomplishments, that's probably the one that I'm super jealous

541
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: of the most because, you know, like my relationship with

542
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: that periodical, like I'd been endless saturdays going through like

543
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: back then, you know, if you didn't we had a

544
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: large library in Philadelphia, but our local ones of course,

545
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: like they maybe have like two years of back issues

546
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: and then you wouldn't see anything. So you would have

547
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: to put these, uh you know, these scrolls in like

548
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: the way these microsh right, and so just eons, just

549
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: hours upon hours upon hours of like they would just

550
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: keep the entire Rolling Stone collection, like you know, thirteen

551
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: years of they would have like somewhere between like seventy

552
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: three to you know, whatever year it was at the

553
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: time when I was doing like eighty seven eighty eight,

554
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: and I'd sit there endlessly and like just all my

555
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: walls were wallpapered with all the leave reviews.

556
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: So like Robert Risco.

557
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I turned four party, I think Jimmy

558
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: did this for me. Jimmy had Robert Risco, uh do

559
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: a caricature of.

560
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh cool and that. Yeah, that's that's amazing. Wow, maybe

561
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, that's crazy.

562
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 7: And now being like obviously I was aware that it

563
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 7: was special in being there, but now like I realized,

564
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 7: like the people I was around are grabbing coffee for

565
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 7: from whether it was David wild David Frick, Anthony the Curtis,

566
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 7: Sheila Rodgers who went on to be the music booker

567
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 7: at Letterman, Like all these people that like had this

568
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 7: little like like I was just their little pet like toy,

569
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 7: Like it was fun and they all thought it was

570
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 7: kind of amusing that I was in there, But I

571
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 7: also like, do.

572
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: You think they're aware that you were that twelve year

573
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: old kid? Now?

574
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 7: David Wilde like definitely comments on my Twitter and he'll

575
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 7: be like, hey, you know whatever. And Sheila Rodgers when

576
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 7: I you know, when we played Letterman before, She's always

577
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 7: been sweet. So yeah, some somehow they kind of kept track.

578
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 7: I had this, you know phase where I didn't really

579
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 7: have any of my first musical success from my early thirties.

580
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 7: So really my twenties, while I'm making is a hip

581
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 7: hop DJ was not something that really registered on Yon

582
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 7: Winner's radar, you know, so, so I think he would

583
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 7: always be like, hey, what are you up to? Oh yeah,

584
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 7: I stood in the club's great So when Amy came out,

585
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 7: and obviously she was on the cover of Rolling Sona

586
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 7: was a big thing. I have this letter still framed

587
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 7: from Yahn. That's just like, hey, Mark, so glad that

588
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 7: you know that you finally made something of yourself essentially right, Yeah, like,

589
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 7: congrats on on the Amy racket. It's fantastic and that

590
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 7: that kind of meant a lot to me.

591
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: Wow, But he also hip hopped you.

592
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 6: That's ill, Like I mean, it was a compliment, but

593
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 6: it was also a slap in the face to like.

594
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Keep doing that little rap cool keeping.

595
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 6: In that moment, I was like, yeah, that's a whole

596
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 6: moment and being a you know, a hip hop artist

597
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 6: icon or whatever.

598
00:30:53,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: Exactly, Mark, do you remember the first album that you purchased?

599
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: I know, there's a weird question to ask, being as

600
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: though you grew up in a musical household.

601
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm certain that collections.

602
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: All right, well, let me let me put it this way.

603
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: What was the collection like in your household as you're

604
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: growing up? And then do you remember the first album

605
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: that you went out and purchased with your own money?

606
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 7: Yeah?

607
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Away from your parents' influence.

608
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the collection was like, certainly my dad we

609
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 7: left England when I was six or seven, so you know,

610
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 7: I'd come back once or twice a year to see

611
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 7: my dad. That that was always just like I remember

612
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 7: really clearly, like my dad playing He loved Grandmaster Flash

613
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 7: and the Furious Five, so the message in New York.

614
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 7: He would always play those and me and my sisters

615
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 7: would jump on the bed and you know, that was

616
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 7: a very when you're a saw, when you're a kid,

617
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: like that song a like it's so clear that you

618
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 7: can understand every lyric. It's so hooky and even though

619
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 7: you don't know what you're talking talking about, it just

620
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 7: like I remember just learning that wrote and then I

621
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 7: also remember like things because he probably he didn't really

622
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 7: get three feet high in Rising, but probably someone told

623
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 7: him that. He liked, like, hey, you should check this out.

624
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 7: This is the new shit, and he kind of probably

625
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 7: took it home and was like, oh, this is a

626
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 7: little too like avant garde from me or something. I

627
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 7: remember him giving me that. But the first time I

628
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 7: really remember buying something for myself was like, I got

629
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 7: my pocket money. This is New York and I went

630
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 7: to the Tower Records on sixty six to buy a

631
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 7: twelve inch. I think my stepdad was like, here's ten bucks,

632
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 7: go buy a couple of twelve inches, And I bought

633
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 7: just bugging by Whistle Whistle Wow and sly Fox Let's

634
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 7: go all the way the way yeah, and maybe something else.

635
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 7: And then those are the first things I remember like

636
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 7: really like buying that. This is my own money. I

637
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 7: want to get this.

638
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, by the way, the listeners maybe I

639
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: found out maybe three years ago that one of the

640
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: members of sly Fox was Booty Cowns is main singer,

641
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: the one that sings real cartoony.

642
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah yeah, like uh damn almost like think Gary.

643
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: No, not Gary Shot. I think Gary Mubum and Cooper.

644
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope I get this right because anytime I

645
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: get p funk uh trivia wrong, they you know, they

646
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: beat up on me.

647
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 7: That I love. Like when I listen to record now,

648
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 7: it's so funny because like you don't have any of

649
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 7: when you're a kid, any of that like uh sneary

650
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 7: attitude or like jadenness, And I'm like, oh my god,

651
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 7: if I was twenty when that record came out, I'd

652
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 7: be like, what the fuck is this Prince rip off?

653
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 7: You know he's singing exactly like Prince. I mean, the

654
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 7: beat is incredible, is an incredible song. But I love

655
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 7: when you hear songs from your youth and you have

656
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 7: none of that like Barrier Jadens. You're just like, this

657
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 7: is my ship. And that is still still that still

658
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 7: is on a lot of workout playlists for me.

659
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: That song.

660
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out how come no one

661
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: never made the correlation between the Bookie Boys A fly

662
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Girl and that song, which was the and B version

663
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: of Yeah Fly Girls, Like it's.

664
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 7: Just what's just they took the drums off of fly

665
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 7: Go right?

666
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: Or was it I believe it's sort of like can't

667
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 2: trust it and don't be afraid.

668
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 7: Like right, right, right, it's the same.

669
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: It's the same two inch they just you know it

670
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: right exactly.

671
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't think about it.

672
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 7: It's this, It's the exact same track that side Fox

673
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 7: record was like, uh, one of the first records to

674
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 7: be like huge on alternative rock radio and R and

675
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 7: B and just pop because it had that dumb beat

676
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 7: that just like spoke to everybody, which was kind of cool.

677
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 5: Wait the of it again because some of us, well,

678
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 5: let's go.

679
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: All the way. You know, it's a flag girl. Here's

680
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: the weird thing. I actually thought when jay Z. When

681
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: jay Z used it for I know what girls like,

682
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: I know what girls like, I thought that was gonna

683
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: blow up for him.

684
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, you were like twelve back then.

685
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: Nah.

686
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: That was my first because you know where he sucked

687
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: up at with that, because he started the album off

688
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: with a million and one in rhyme no more.

689
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: Right, and I was like, holy ship, here we go.

690
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Yes, and then yeah, the Black Streak joined and then

691
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: it was the Flager Nigga.

692
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: No.

693
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 7: It had a even I like in my weird like

694
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 7: even though I was like a club DJ. So I

695
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 7: was just like looking for anything that was like commercial

696
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 7: and bouncy, like I could even feel like there was

697
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 7: something sticky there on that record, Like I was like,

698
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 7: this feels like this feels like reach And that had

699
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 7: the city his mind on it too, probably c Yeah,

700
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 7: that was that's because in Germany.

701
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 6: That's because that song had been remixed on the play

702
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 6: around about fifty thousand times by the time he put

703
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 6: that version out, because like it's was just making cheers.

704
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: That was a check y'all remember that.

705
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, you're right, Yeah, it was.

706
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I don't know, I feel I don't know.

707
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: I get frustrated that he denies it like a bastard

708
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: son and.

709
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: Girls like the girls like record.

710
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean just that album in general, that

711
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: album had moments it was I mean, it's it was.

712
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 7: It's not a bad album.

713
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: But it was most defining song is on that moment

714
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: and which one?

715
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: All right, here's the deal, you know, how like when

716
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: at the beginning, Earth Wind and Fire obviously didn't plan

717
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: on September being the biggest thing they ever in the one, right,

718
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: but how that was chosen even though they did, like

719
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: Star and all this other shit. I feel like the

720
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: song that really defines jay Z isn't even the sits.

721
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I think imaginary players. One yes, because of the j

722
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: C song. It's arrogant as fucked, like yeah, I feel

723
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: like you know, I love that just one yeah, he.

724
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 7: Just like whatever, I'm my my face off twelve inch,

725
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 7: Like that was a song I love to play. I

726
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 7: love it well. It just says a club DJ and

727
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 7: then back and forth. And I just like that was

728
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 7: just like one twelve beats per minute, Like I needed

729
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 7: that in the set at that at that moment, I'm

730
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 7: looking out and that was the one.

731
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: That was over the it was over to.

732
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'll never figured that out ever since.

733
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Here in Jadakiss's version of how that song went down,

734
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: like I'll never see it the same again. Basically, like

735
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: they were on like a trip from the UK and

736
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: they had to go straight to the studio to do

737
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: their verse. They couldn't shower or anything, so it's like

738
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: after they got our customs, you know, they were on

739
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: a nine hour flight and then had some customs thing

740
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: for like four hours and then had to go straight

741
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: to the studio or else they were going to not

742
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: be on the record, and you know, Jaded just has

743
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: this like weird other take about it that totally takes

744
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: me out of what I thought.

745
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 7: That was also Pitchfork eight point four for Volume one.

746
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: They just recently re reviewed that.

747
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 7: I don't know because I just wikipedd because I wanted

748
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 7: to remember what's on that album because I was like, oh, actually,

749
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 7: who you were face off Imaginary Player, this very strong album.

750
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 7: But eight point four, yeah, I know what.

751
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: I like that record, so I will quasi agree, even

752
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: though he hates that record. And f was trying to

753
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: chase Puffy. He was trying to chase Puffy bad Boy,

754
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: but it was like it was ninety seven. It was

755
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: time to do like.

756
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we it's understandable. It's like we get it, but

757
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: not right. It wasn't it.

758
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: You know.

759
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 7: You know, it's funny we were talking about we're talking

760
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 7: so much about God Now I'm such an idiot. But

761
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 7: when we when I interviewed me for my podcast and

762
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 7: we talked about the huge album and then the one

763
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 7: for the first one for Interscope, and you weren't really

764
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 7: swearing it off like in the way that we're talking

765
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 7: about Jay, but you were kind of you know, saying

766
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 7: like it was rush and you were trying to make

767
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 7: a record maybe just to fit where you were, and

768
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 7: I think, don't say nothing came up. And I was

769
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 7: trying to please.

770
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I was trying to please my label president.

771
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 7: So I was sitting. I was sitting the other day

772
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 7: with my girl now fiance, who's ten years younger than me.

773
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 7: Don't congratulate.

774
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: She's a.

775
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you. I'll tell her you said that,

776
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 7: and don't or hopefully she'll listen to this or both,

777
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 7: but don't say nothing came on. And she's like, that's

778
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 7: my ship. And because she was she she was a

779
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 7: teenager like that agent. It comes out and you're just like,

780
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 7: oh this, I just fucking love this. Like you have

781
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 7: no context. You're not thinking like where it rests in

782
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 7: the cannon. You're just like, you know, like it's just Yeah, she's.

783
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 5: Not being a music's not like y'all the rest of us.

784
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Well, I'm extremely thank you. I appreciate that.

785
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 6: Can I Speaking of that snobbery, I wanted to ask

786
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 6: Mark a set question because I'm so curious about where

787
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 6: you started like working out your sets and where you

788
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 6: how you started like refining and knowing what to do

789
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 6: and what what what the crowd wanted, and what crowd

790
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 6: wanted what and what I would.

791
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 7: Import to you. In the beginning, I would just go

792
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 7: and I would watch uh Stretch arm Sean and Clark

793
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 7: Can and Goldfinger and just rip off all of their routines,

794
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 7: like I'm not I'm not afraid to say, like I know,

795
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 7: I stretched when he first came and I said, it's

796
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 7: like was not happy with me because I wouldn't literally

797
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 7: rip off his mixes. But he invented this, or maybe

798
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 7: not invented, but his big thing was this thing where

799
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: you'd be playing a song and then the line that

800
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 7: everybody would sing you turn the volume off so be

801
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 7: like double x posse, Like, oh no much Jim happened

802
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 7: Broke Broke June June June. Before then, I saw on

803
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 7: the on the thing and I just thought it was

804
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 7: like uptown baby, up town baby, we got down baby,

805
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 7: you know, to dinner, and like so this was so

806
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 7: and I loved that. I thought it was so clever,

807
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 7: and I just started doing it all the time. And

808
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 7: then obviously in the beginning, you're just picking up scraps

809
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 7: of the people that you that you look up to.

810
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 7: But I guess I also I loved what was called

811
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 7: rare groove music, like from all that kind of like

812
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 7: mid tempo nineties, like you know, not really rare records.

813
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 7: But don't look any further, baby, I'm scared of you

814
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 7: saw me a striplin And I would play all those

815
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 7: and and I loved building a night and I was

816
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 7: never afraid to play like seven hours, like I just

817
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 7: loved playing. And eventually I got this sort of reputation

818
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 7: as this teacher had good taste, knew the classics new

819
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 7: hip hop, knew how to build a room. And that's

820
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 7: when I guess also Puffy and Jay and those people

821
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 7: were coming to the clubs I was playing, So it

822
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 7: was all this kind of nice dovetailing of I was.

823
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: I was going to say, what was the name of

824
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: the club? Damn?

825
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: Now now you're you're now you're pulling me out where

826
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 2: Now I'm remembering that maybe I was a New York

827
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: club kid for half a second, because I definitely remembered

828
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: what was the club that was across the street from Justin's.

829
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah a lot, Yeah on seventeen That was Cheetah.

830
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 7: That's Cheetah and a Monday Nights and Jay shouts that

831
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 7: out and uh and do it again on one of

832
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 7: those songs. Yeah, man, And and he says, I used

833
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 7: to fill in on Cheetah, and then I did Wednesday

834
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: Nights at Shine and then Fridays at Life. So every

835
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 7: night that he mentioned in that Cheetah Monday Night, Wednesday

836
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 7: Nights at Shy and Evan with the Model bitches, Friday

837
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 7: Night at Life or whatever it is. And I was like,

838
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 7: that's are online right now?

839
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: He used to.

840
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: Yes, he would often be there, like was an event

841
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: like until until the ABT came along and solidified Mondays.

842
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Yes, like you were basically.

843
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: You know, usually my club nights would be like if

844
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: back then, especially on two inch Real, you know, a

845
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: mix with Bob Power would probably be something like kind

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: of like eight nine hours or whatever. So yeah, you know,

847
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: if you're starting at three in the afternoon or something like,

848
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: we get there late and the reel gets there at four,

849
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: you know, Bob is basically like, you know, get out

850
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: of my hair and come back at midnight, like let

851
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: me least get the you know, get the mixed straight

852
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: first before you guys start micromanaging. So usually you know,

853
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: on on Mondays or whatever coming see you play and whatnot?

854
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: What was it all right?

855
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 7: So well to be I just wanted to cut out too,

856
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 7: because Jules and Julian were the main DJs on Monday,

857
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 7: specifically a cheater, but they would let me fill in

858
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 7: or I play the basementwise.

859
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually I'd watch your sets, you know. So

860
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: that's like my memories of it, all right. So one

861
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: of the one of the discoveries we made in the

862
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: last five years of doing the show is that, you know,

863
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: a lot of our a lot of the accomplished producers

864
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: that we admire were great DJs.

865
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: And you know, that's the case with.

866
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Jimmy jam Uh, definitely the case with doctor Dre. And

867
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: then you know, when I brought this up to Dre,

868
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: he explained to me that because of the duress that

869
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: he was under, he would say, like, if you basically

870
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: played the wrong song, you might risk the club getting

871
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: shot up. Yeah, he so he was hyper aware of

872
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: what he played, and he says that that informs him

873
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: of how he produces because it's almost like there's no

874
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: room for experiments. You have to be spot on knowing

875
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: what your audience responds to. So for you though in

876
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: that particular atmosphere. Because the thing is is that I

877
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: know I can get away with murder, and you heard

878
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: me experiment and do crazy shit often, but I know

879
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: I can get away with murder and in front of

880
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: a particular crowd that will let me do that. But

881
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: you know, my clientele was really never Puff or jay

882
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: Z or any of those, like any of those parties

883
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: that you know Steve Stout's going to show up at.

884
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: So what is it? What is what is the What

885
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: is it like when you are the attraction at these

886
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: particular parties?

887
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: Because is it like what you really want to do

888
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: or what you think serves them that keeps you working?

889
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Like what mind state are you in?

890
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 7: It's a little bit of both, you know. I love

891
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 7: starting the night at ten pm because you could start

892
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 7: building and you could play classics and different records in

893
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 7: R and B and builded into the hip hop. I

894
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 7: hated coming on at twelve thirty when the parties at

895
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 7: the peak and it's like, what's the first record? Like

896
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 7: that just gives me like the anxiety of life. But

897
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 7: the parties that I was playing, I was pretty like,

898
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 7: you know, this was I was never on the mic.

899
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 7: This is before people really cared or even looked at

900
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 7: the DJ like it. They only looked at it you

901
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 7: if you fucked up, really so like I love the

902
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 7: anonymity of being a DJ and just keeping the night

903
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 7: rocking and that that was it. But I remember like, yeah,

904
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 7: occasionally i'd throw a curveball or you know, after eight

905
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 7: years of playing the same kind of shit'll be like, oh,

906
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 7: I wonder if I could sprinkle like rock and Roll

907
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 7: in here or something. And I remember the Benjamin's was

908
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 7: the biggest record at the time, and there was that

909
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 7: rock and Roll remix of it, and I was I

910
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 7: wanted to play somehow, I wanted to play back in

911
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 7: Black by ac DC. By the end of this set,

912
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 7: I was like I just got you know, when you

913
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 7: go to the the set and you're just like, if

914
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 7: I can just play these one or two songs for

915
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 7: me tonight, like that'll kind of that'll do it. That'll

916
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 7: do it. And I remember I was like, all right,

917
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 7: so right on the Biggie I'll switch to the rock

918
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 7: version right on the Biggie verse because no one's gonna

919
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 7: stop dancing. I know what the fuck's happening if Biggie's rapping,

920
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 7: right and then right on that thing when he goes

921
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 7: it's all about the Benji d obviously, like ac DC

922
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 7: is is like kind of in the books as like

923
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 7: as a hip hop break beat in some ways, but

924
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 7: not in the clubs where it was like a lot

925
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 7: of you know, people's got like squire yeah, and it

926
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 7: was like, you know a lot of like cool people

927
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: in downtown types and then a lot of like drug

928
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 7: dealers who were spending twenty grand at like a banquette

929
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 7: to like look cool. So like one of the banquettes

930
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 7: was right behind the DJ booth, and right when I

931
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 7: played that once that was playing for like eight seconds,

932
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 7: this drug dealer with like his friends and a lot

933
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 7: of money and champagne everywhere, like leaned over to me.

934
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 7: It was like, what the fuck are you playing? I mean,

935
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly what he said, but there were

936
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 7: like times where it was like definitely like you couldn't

937
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 7: get too creative, but I think that, yeah, I had

938
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 7: a mix. I was playing those crowds some night, and

939
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 7: then sometimes I was playing for like slightly more like

940
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 7: kind of you know, just like miscellaneous crowds. You could

941
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 7: play more underground shit or different stuff.

942
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: So at this period when you're kind of like the

943
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: darling of hip New York society as far as like

944
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: being there go to DJ you know, like you were

945
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: doing the campaign with Aliyah or Tommy Hillfig or whatever,

946
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: so we knew you. Asked DJ Mark Ronson, like, what

947
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: is how are you navigating in this double Dutch game

948
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: of how to get in the roups so that we

949
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: now know that you are a musician and a producer, Like,

950
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: at what point are you trying to figure out how

951
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: to really get inside of this thing so that we

952
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 2: take you seriously as a producer.

953
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I was trying all the time to be honest.

954
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 7: Anytime I met someone at the club who wrapped and

955
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 7: be like, come to my house tomorrow like one pm,

956
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 7: and you know, let's make shit. And that was like

957
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 7: when someone introduced me to a Psygom when he had

958
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 7: just got out of prisoner, was like that, you know,

959
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 7: Saigon and I would be together every day making music,

960
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 7: and but I really didn't know what I was doing.

961
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 7: I probably thought I did like everybody does at that age.

962
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 7: Oh I'm fully formed, I'm arrived, i know what I'm doing,

963
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 7: and I was just figuring it out.

964
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: And then was this, wait, let me interrupt one second

965
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: was this was the first entry like Okay, you're gonna

966
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: be You're gonna be making rap beats and work with rappers,

967
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: I think, I think. And if that's the case, what

968
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: was the album? What was the hip hop album that

969
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: called you to This is exactly what I want to do.

970
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 8: Mecca and the Soul Brother Yes, no, yes, yes, because

971
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 8: although I think main ingredient is probably my favorite of

972
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 8: it too, but Mecca is still I mean, that's yeah.

973
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: It's funny you said that.

974
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: I ridiculed Kanye for saying that publicly, but when I

975
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: really think about it, I have a way different relationship

976
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: with me even though my face it's almost like Role

977
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: is my favorite album, but I know that eighteen fourteen

978
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: is the better record for me. I think it's only

979
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: because the main ingredient is all that we had living

980
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: in London, and this is without the Internet, without computers,

981
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: without change the station, like you could turn on the

982
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: radio and you gotta listen to Scatman forty times and

983
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: you know, like for real, like Scatman was the only

984
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: thing on radio in Jamarquai. So it's like put that

985
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: peap rock figure in. So even though I never say

986
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: that's my favorite record of theirs. But I have a

987
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: way more fuzzier memory of that saving my life than

988
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: Mecca and the Soul b Yeah, Wow.

989
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: What was it? What was about Mecca for you? Bart? Like?

990
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: What was what?

991
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 7: How?

992
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: Why was that your your kind of life?

993
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 7: I played in a band. I played guitar in this

994
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 7: band in high school, and my drammer, Scott was just

995
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 7: like he just loved rhythms, and he was a really

996
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 7: good drama and he'd want to talk about like Dave

997
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 7: fucking I don't even know these drummers and paradiddles and

998
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 7: like real like he was just into rhythms, interesting rhythms.

999
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 7: So he discovered it. He loved it obviously, probably because

1000
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 7: like the drum fills and the things Dada Da da

1001
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 7: Dat spoke to him and he just played me reminisced.

1002
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 7: One day we'd come home from like a band rehearsal,

1003
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 7: maybe like a really late night gig, and I was

1004
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 7: sleeping on his floor and he played it for me,

1005
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 7: and I was so moved by it. I'd never heard

1006
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 7: a rap song that really hit me like that hard

1007
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 7: and emo way, and I listened to it probably eleven

1008
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 7: times in a row that night. After he went to bed,

1009
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 7: I was just like wanted to keep hearing it over

1010
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 7: and over, and I think that that was probably one

1011
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 7: of the first things we had rappers come up on

1012
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 7: stage with us when we were like this band, but

1013
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 7: we were like sloppy kids, like we were not holding

1014
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 7: it down. So I was just like, Okay, well, I'm

1015
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 7: not a rapper, I don't know anything about producing, but

1016
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 7: I love this music and that's what kind of led

1017
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 7: me out of the band and to become a DJ.

1018
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 7: And then so that's why I though it still has

1019
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 7: that once I did discover production. I think that was

1020
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 7: always this kind of like, I don't know, Touchstone.

1021
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: What year did you start DJing?

1022
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 7: Ninety three so just at the end of my senior year,

1023
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 7: and I remember the first four to twelve inches I

1024
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 7: bought at Rock and Sall. I bought Time for Some Action,

1025
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 7: Rebirth of Slick ZIGGI Raking in the Dough and the

1026
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 7: original Yeah, the original of Protect Your Neck, the original,

1027
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 7: the original Risk.

1028
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Makers Orange and Yeah.

1029
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope you still got that because that shit

1030
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: is worth money, man, Listen, Yeah, it's worth money.

1031
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: Now still say ninety three was the best year.

1032
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 7: I don't care really ninety three years music. Yeah, it

1033
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 7: was amazing.

1034
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: So what was the what was your what was your

1035
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: weapon of choice when you are making these beats?

1036
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: Like, what did you did you start off.

1037
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 7: On the three thousand and I got I went in

1038
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 7: the store to get this NPC sixty or i'd kind

1039
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: of saved up or I had enough for half of it,

1040
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 7: and then I was like, I want to pay for

1041
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 7: this on layaway or whatever it is. And he was like, well,

1042
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 7: by the time you were ready to pay it off,

1043
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 7: actually the NPC three thousand will be out. So so

1044
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 7: I managed to get that. It was a year later

1045
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 7: and I had made really archaic beats. My stepdad, you know,

1046
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 7: being a musician, had a S nine hundred or a

1047
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 7: kit I don't even know which one it was in

1048
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 7: his stuff the rack mount and I made some really

1049
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 7: like like really like rudimentary beats where I didn't know

1050
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 7: how to adjust the time, but I knew that if

1051
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 7: I could get the samples to be exactly the same

1052
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 7: tempo and lent that if I just hit play on

1053
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 7: both of them at the same time, I could kind

1054
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 7: of make it work. And that's and someone was like

1055
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 7: this kid that I was making beats for in my

1056
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 7: school was like, you know, that's what djaying is, essentially,

1057
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 7: like blending two things together on time. You would probably

1058
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 7: like that, and so that was part of the reason

1059
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 7: as well that I'm sure that I've kind of led

1060
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 7: me to the path, But NPC three thousand was my

1061
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 7: first beat machine.

1062
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Oh.

1063
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: Also side note, speaking of your stepfather, this is he's

1064
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: not to be mistaken for Mick Jones of the Clash.

1065
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 7: Not to be another second, that's another Mick Jones.

1066
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1067
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: I was about to say, you got crazy Mick ronson

1068
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: Mick Jones, the mc jones and the other mc jones.

1069
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, still legendary.

1070
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was going to say, because I was like,

1071
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you're not.

1072
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 7: In the class, right, yeah, exactly.

1073
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, Okay, So would you would you say your

1074
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: first steady client was Saigon?

1075
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 7: He was the first, like I guess rapper. There are

1076
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 7: some rappers from from my school, Like I went to

1077
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 7: Vassar College for one year, uh, and there were some

1078
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 7: rappers up there who I worked with, Lodi and Ian

1079
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 7: lovely guys. And then I came back to the city

1080
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 7: and someone introduced me to Saigon. So he was like

1081
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 7: the first person that was like over my house, and

1082
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 7: actually John Forte as well at this time as good

1083
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 7: friends with John, and we had this weird production duo

1084
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 7: called Epstein and Sons. I have no idea why we

1085
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 7: called it Steine and Sons, and uh weird. He would

1086
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 7: be over at my place all the time, and so yeah,

1087
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 7: and then and then Sigon sometimes would bring down like

1088
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 7: sticking and one from deb Present. I remember, for very

1089
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 7: obvious reasons, being like very nervous when they came over

1090
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 7: to my house. I don't know what they're gonna think

1091
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 7: of me, and then also being slightly disappointed when they

1092
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 7: weren't like horrible to me, like almost like standing in

1093
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 7: the front sitting in the front road of at Don

1094
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 7: Rickles concert and he doesn't insult she does? What then?

1095
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 7: What is going on? That's why I paid for they

1096
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 7: were They were they were. They were very very cool

1097
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 7: and and patient with me because I really know now

1098
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 7: that I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

1099
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 7: But the person that really plucked me from like just anonymity,

1100
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 7: like just to kind of DJ was like djaying the

1101
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 7: hot parties was our friend Dominic Chaneer.

1102
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so tell the story of how that morphs

1103
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: into you can I say that is Nikga like.

1104
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Your first like major work as a producer.

1105
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 7: Of course by a country mile for sure.

1106
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, so wait I worked on like your first production.

1107
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, that's why I was so fucking spoiled.

1108
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 7: I laugh about that, Like the first time we go

1109
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 7: into the studio, it's like I've been in the studio.

1110
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 7: It's like you and Pino and Jane. Somebody was just

1111
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 7: saying like, don't get used to this, like I remember

1112
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 7: that real.

1113
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this this is one of those legendary moments

1114
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: where where you know, like Electric Lady is just going

1115
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: to be just an open house of whoever comes in,

1116
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's not it's not normal for

1117
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: a person to be generous and let like usually like

1118
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: if someone finds a good sound in a good room

1119
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 2: or whatever, they like.

1120
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: Lock it down and they're like, no one else goes

1121
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: in this room but us.

1122
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,959
Speaker 2: But it was almost like, you know, de was like, well,

1123
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, obviously if I say three pm, I'll be

1124
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: here at seven or eight pm. So you know, whatever

1125
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: y'all do in the daytime is cool with me as

1126
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: long as that, you know, once I get there, so

1127
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: we would just take advantage of all those early hours

1128
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: and work on other things.

1129
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 5: I kind of.

1130
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 6: Feel like that album needs to be re released in

1131
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 6: a way released, yeah, because I feel like there's a

1132
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 6: whole generation of people who don't understand nick A Costa

1133
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 6: killed that shit and didn't drop them like it was like,

1134
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 6: I don't know that's what.

1135
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the twentieth anniversary like last week, and

1136
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 7: I was like, doesn't get you know a lot of

1137
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 7: a lot of people anytime that song comes up, people like,

1138
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 7: oh yeah, fuck, I love that song. Was like my

1139
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 7: fiance partner whatever included like people because it was in

1140
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 7: the Hill Figure commercial and then everybody got there's something

1141
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 7: you know ended up as the Yeah.

1142
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: I was so have oft for you. That was my

1143
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: favorite rong on that record. I love that song.

1144
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, she's she really wrote some wonderful songs on

1145
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 7: that record.

1146
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: So what was what was the collaboration process like with

1147
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: you uh Nikka and I assume Justin also worked justin Stanley.

1148
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 7: Yeah. So so Dom would come to the parties that

1149
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 7: I would DJ, like Life and stuff, and he would

1150
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 7: be like I'd be playing one of my regular sets.

1151
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 7: I would be like Rufus, the Chaka Khan e p MD,

1152
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 7: then the Biggie and then at the end maybe Seven

1153
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 7: Nation Army or that probably wasn't even out yet, but

1154
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 7: some kind of rock shit missed you by the Stones.

1155
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 7: And he was like, He's like, I don't know if

1156
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 7: you make music or not, but like I have this

1157
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 7: singer and I just like, she's incredible. She has the

1158
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 7: best voice, and all I know is that her record's

1159
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 7: supposed to sound like this DJ set.

1160
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: It's amazing that Dom saw something in you that was

1161
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: Dom's real gift.

1162
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: Dom was able to.

1163
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: See something in you that you yourself wouldn't see. I would

1164
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: almost say, like, you know, you know, like Puffy kind

1165
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: of has that he can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge

1166
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: thing against your will or I mean, there's something about

1167
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: him that makes you say yes, even if it's like

1168
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: like I know instantly when he calls the phone, I'm like, no,

1169
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this gig. I can't spend what's up, playboy?

1170
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: We got we got magic to make. And then suddenly

1171
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: you're like, yes, Dudy, I will do yeah, yeah, for

1172
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: seventy off the price that I normally charge.

1173
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1174
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: But Dom also had Dom was just one of the

1175
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: greatest motivational yes pushers.

1176
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: Like he's the one.

1177
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: That talked all that all the magic that came from

1178
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: Electric Lady. Chances are Dom was there as the foundation

1179
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: of YO do this idea?

1180
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 7: So you know he he yes, he did, and he's

1181
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 7: he's like, I'll come to your studios. Because I was

1182
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 7: probably just like, yeah, I make beads or whatever. He's like,

1183
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 7: let me come to your studios that we do. So

1184
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 7: I had this little studio in my bedroom's apartment on

1185
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 7: Sullivan Street and he was doing space Jam at the

1186
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 7: time or it just finished it, and he was like,

1187
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 7: I need a remix of Seal did Fly Like an Eagle?

1188
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 7: And I need a hip hop remix, So why don't

1189
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 7: we try. I think that was like just to see

1190
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 7: if I could do anything. And yeah, and it was

1191
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 7: not very good. And I tell you, I almost feel

1192
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 7: like I can still remember him like almost like holding

1193
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 7: my hand through like the production of this remix to

1194
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 7: try and get me to make it better. Like I like,

1195
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 7: you know, like I was doing these kind of STEVJ

1196
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 7: puffy type drums, a lot of shakers, yeah, yeah, before

1197
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 7: the top thing, yeah, all of it. And then and

1198
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 7: but then somehow I must have done something that just

1199
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 7: gave him a little more faith. And then a couple

1200
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 7: of months later he brought Nika to my studio U

1201
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 7: and I still didn't have the match for her musicality,

1202
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 7: but then justin her husband came into the equation. It

1203
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 7: was very musical and knew his way around a studio.

1204
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 7: And then that was kind of the trio.

1205
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: You were there for that, Steve, were you not? Yes?

1206
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: I was there for the back. Yes, Rush rusted all

1207
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: the work out.

1208
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 4: But I'm a secret sauce.

1209
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: It's the same old story. He got the bacon, I

1210
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: get it.

1211
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sorry.

1212
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: No.

1213
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: Those were very very cool sessions. I mean very memorable

1214
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: for me because I was just starting out too, and

1215
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 4: the music was so good, so happy to be because

1216
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: I had to do all kinds of different sessions where

1217
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 4: the music was of varying degrees of quality.

1218
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: Let's say, I was about to say, if you're an

1219
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: engineer on a session that of a song you don't like,

1220
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: then I don't even know what that's like for a person,

1221
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just to be held against

1222
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: their will listening to a song where shit ain't good,

1223
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: it's not good at all. Yeah, I remember, like my

1224
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: favorite was just because man, that that shit could still be.

1225
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: That shit could.

1226
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: Come out tomorrow and I'd still ride for that thing.

1227
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: And that's also one of my favorite. I would probably

1228
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: say that's probably if I were to compile a top

1229
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: five of like my drumming performance, because the thing is,

1230
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: the weird thing is is that I'm serving the song

1231
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: so much that I'd never get to not have fun

1232
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: but just be be myself. I don't know if it's

1233
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: like me being tofu like I have to bend to

1234
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 2: the will of what the song sounds is. Yeah, and

1235
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: just because usually if I wind up sounding like Steve Faron,

1236
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: that's more like the natural me, Like, that's not me

1237
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: trying to sound like a break beat or me trying

1238
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: to redo this beat or not get kicked off my

1239
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: own song because it doesn't sound.

1240
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: Hip hop enough or whatever.

1241
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: So it's but I'll yeah, I'll say that just because

1242
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: it was was one of my Probably i'd put that

1243
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: in my top five, Like drum sounds that I actually

1244
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: that I dig I.

1245
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 7: Need to listen back. I remember Billy Preston came in

1246
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 7: and we were really excited for him to play piano

1247
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 7: on it, like that was the whole thing. And he

1248
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 7: came into the studio and we were like wow, and

1249
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 7: he just like sat down and listened to the whole thing.

1250
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 7: I was like, nah, the demo piano is pretty good

1251
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 7: and she's like, no, no, that's just something that I

1252
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 7: just played like just for you. Go I don't hear

1253
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 7: I'll play some clad though, and like that was it.

1254
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 7: There was like no talk. We were just so psyched,

1255
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 7: like Billy Press is gonna play piano this thing and

1256
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 7: he was just like, no, play some clap for you.

1257
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: How long was it until.

1258
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: You got a chance to work on I'm about to

1259
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: say the OUI record, not OUI your You're here, Here

1260
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: comes the Fuzz, your first solo job.

1261
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was basically off the back of Nika's album.

1262
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 7: There was like a lot of buzz about it just

1263
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 7: before it came out, and it was in this hill

1264
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 7: Figure commercial and I had this little moment of like,

1265
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 7: you know it's there. It's never better than the moment

1266
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 7: just before the record comes out, because it's just like

1267
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 7: the possibilities are endless and you look just look like it,

1268
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 7: you know, that's whatever. So I got this deal with

1269
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 7: Electra Records that thing at the time, because you know,

1270
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 7: I had a little name as a DJ, nowhere near

1271
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 7: like the name recognition of the Clues and the Flexes

1272
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 7: and the people that were getting those big mixtape deals.

1273
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 7: But I also had this record that people were excited

1274
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 7: about and like a feather and the slightly new sound.

1275
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 7: So I got this deal and then uh then it

1276
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 7: took me a year to make that record, and that

1277
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 7: came out in two thousand and three, and I got

1278
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 7: dropped a week after the album came out because it's wow, yeah,

1279
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 7: pretty much got dropped. Like the record, I think they

1280
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 7: spent a lot of money on it. I had a

1281
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 7: lot of big cameos on it, they did, but I

1282
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 7: think that it just you know, did it charted in

1283
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 7: England where it was sort of like, you know, number

1284
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 7: twelve or something, But yeah, I was gonna say I

1285
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 7: heard it again in Europe? Yes, a lot in Europe.

1286
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 7: It was big enough to make a little dent there.

1287
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 7: But no, I remember having to pay out of my

1288
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 7: own pocket to get Nate Dogg and ghost Face to

1289
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 7: come out to do the Craig Kilbourn show because at

1290
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 7: that point, like a week later, lecture just like closed

1291
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 7: the close the budget.

1292
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: Wow, So how did you at least at that point,

1293
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: I think this that The Fuzz came out with like

1294
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, three, Yeah,

1295
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: it was like around okay, So at that point, like

1296
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: were you your own point person Like did you know

1297
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: Rivers Cuomo and Jack White and like all the people

1298
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: that were on that that first secord.

1299
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 7: For the most part, the people that I didn't really

1300
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 7: know personally were Rivers Cuomo and Jack White because they

1301
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 7: were sort of more from rock world and Jack was

1302
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 7: in Detroit and Rivers's la that wasn't but anybody else

1303
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 7: that could kind of call because of b you know,

1304
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 7: just being in the New York clubs for so long.

1305
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 7: And I even remember when Yes Seen Then Most came

1306
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 7: and we did our song. We were like, you know,

1307
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 7: what sounds so good on this mop, Like wouldn't it

1308
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 7: be cool if it was just like the seventies when

1309
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 7: like Eric Clapton would call up like Dwayne Allman and

1310
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 7: be like come down and play on this thing. I

1311
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 7: was like, well, let's just try and call them and

1312
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 7: see if they'll they'll come. So we were like called

1313
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 7: Lai's or whatever. The manager. And then they did come.

1314
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 7: They just they came three days later. We just didn't know.

1315
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 7: I was still waiting in the studio. They came Sunday afternoon.

1316
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 7: But you know it was amazing. But no, all the

1317
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 7: people Freeway, Sean Paul, these were just people that I

1318
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 7: somehow had a relationship with from just like one degree

1319
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 7: of separation from the clubs or just like I knew them,

1320
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 7: you know.

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: Okay, when did uh?

1322
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Speaker 3: When did because around the time, but I mean I

1323
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 3: knew you're the stuff you did with Niak and everything.

1324
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: But around the time that I came became familiar with

1325
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: you with the hip hop stuff was with Saigon Us

1326
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: I had to done Didnt record and then also with

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: ron Fest.

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Speaker 7: Yeah how did how did?

1329
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: How did all that come about?

1330
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 7: We used to play the Foreign Exchange Records so much

1331
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 7: on the tour.

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01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you so much.

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01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 7: Loved it. That came about through uh my friend Ron

1334
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 7: minor DJ Indiana Jones, who you know in the past. Yeah, yeah,

1335
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 7: I know. Yeah, it's crazy when you start talking all

1336
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 7: these people that just don't seem that far away in

1337
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 7: your life. They're not with us. But anyway, Ron was

1338
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 7: Ryan Fest was Chicago, but was living in Indianapolis at

1339
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 7: the time, and and Ron but I knew, and it

1340
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 7: brought him to New York and we just started hanging out.

1341
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 7: I just loved the way that he just like he

1342
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 7: just liked all this weird other ship too, because I'm

1343
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 7: not very good at making straight up the middle of music,

1344
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 7: you know, to a fault. I can't like pick a

1345
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 7: genre even within one song. But me and Ryan Fest

1346
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 7: had a lot of funny together, and then he kind

1347
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 7: of came on the road, and then we had a

1348
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 7: labels we put out his record and yeah.

1349
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, was Alito?

1350
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: Was that the only was his record the only record

1351
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: that came out on that label?

1352
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: Or did y'all put out anything else?

1353
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 7: Daniel Merriweather right, and the first album Wait a minute, Yeah,

1354
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 7: I forgot before he went into may Back. Everyone was

1355
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 7: way better after they left us. No, Daniel Mary, Daniel

1356
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,959
Speaker 7: Marray that sold a lot of records.

1357
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: His love and War that was that was yours? Right?

1358
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: War was on you there?

1359
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, James Saw was my I love that song so coolly,

1360
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 7: you know that's great. Daniel would love listening to this.

1361
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, damn, this is killing me now because

1362
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: I was under the impression. Okay, I'll admit there's a

1363
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: lot of like transparency admissions by quest Love this episode. Yes,

1364
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: of course, I when I saw your label name, I

1365
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: couldn't for some reason.

1366
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: I just it just read dildo to me. Wow, But

1367
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't expect that coming.

1368
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that when I read it again,

1369
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, all I do because he probably

1370
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: loves it for Stevie won the record.

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Speaker 1: What is the name of your label?

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing. It was all I do for

1373
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 7: the Stevie song. But the first records that Saigon, you know,

1374
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 7: put out a few signals with us, and he would

1375
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 7: just yell out Alito, like at the end of the song.

1376
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 7: We're like, okay, well the first person who said our

1377
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 7: name is public record has already said Alito, you know

1378
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:37,959
Speaker 7: it's not a great.

1379
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. I heard him say it.

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01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why I thought the label name was

1381
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: because Brian Face will hol it to Alito.

1382
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's not a good sign when the

1383
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 7: people within the label can't even agree how to pronounce

1384
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 7: this the you know, the title, so you know that's

1385
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 7: how it was.

1386
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 5: But how did you say it Mark.

1387
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the why'd you name it that?

1388
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 7: It's so I don't know because dildo was already taken.

1389
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 7: So I just love the TV song and I should

1390
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 7: have just made everybody commit to one pronunciation that's correct.

1391
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: I was correct.

1392
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 2: It is all I Doah, Okay, I was getting worried

1393
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: about myself for a second. I was like, damn, I

1394
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: have it wrong.

1395
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 6: The whole time when music Soul Child album came out,

1396
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 6: was you mad? Because it was like everybody got those.

1397
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 7: Just what But for some reason, I love I love

1398
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 7: the idea of like this kind of like bad like

1399
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 7: nerdous comedy sketch, of like mispronouncing all the word famous

1400
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 7: famous rap labels. So it's like I'd like to play

1401
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 7: this record by good Boy.

1402
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's another see I wish I'm paying Bill

1403
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: was here. It just hit me.

1404
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out remember when we were

1405
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what a Manda Green was, like

1406
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: the Prince way of writing things out, and it's called

1407
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: a Manda Green.

1408
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 7: I was.

1409
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who's the king of

1410
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 2: Manda Greens now? And that's yeah, that's music Soul Child's

1411
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: lame music unpaid bill is not here for that, all right.

1412
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 7: So with hashtags, my mom's hashtags on Instagram are just

1413
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 7: like crazy run on sentences that are just wild.

1414
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1415
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: So Mark two thousand and six, Man, I mean I

1416
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: probably told you this story before, but to even the

1417
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: amount of paralyzed producers that sat and tried.

1418
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: To figure this shit out.

1419
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: When we got back to black and I got a

1420
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: call from Jazzy, I didn't get a call.

1421
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: I was.

1422
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: I was in Barcelona and Jazzy Jeff Instant messaged me

1423
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: whatever AOL instant message and he's like, man, I'm.

1424
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: Depressed, and he's like what, He's like, Ronson's King. I

1425
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: was like huh. And then he sent me.

1426
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 2: The fiul to the album and literally the I called

1427
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: it and I was like, wait, who produced this? And

1428
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: he says Mark Ronson. I said no, no, no DJ

1429
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: Mark Ronson. He's like, yes, that Mark Ronson. No DJ Mark,

1430
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: like you know NBC sixty with the New York Knicks

1431
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 2: beats that Mark Ronson.

1432
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: He's like yes. And I was just frozen. Yo.

1433
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: I sat until showtime. I sat in that room and

1434
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,919
Speaker 2: listened to that album for seven hours.

1435
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 1: So how did.

1436
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: You connect with Amy at the time, like he just

1437
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: explained the working relationship.

1438
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, like, well, I remember just saw that Jazzy Jeff thing.

1439
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 7: I remember this because records weren't so global then, they

1440
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 7: didn't just blow up like this, So like I didn't

1441
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 7: know if people in America had heard the album yet.

1442
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 7: And I remember being about to board a plane in

1443
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 7: some airports somehow, and there was a message from Jazzy

1444
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 7: Jeff and I heard on my phone and he goes, yo, Mark,

1445
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 7: this is Jeff. He had never called me before, but

1446
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 7: you know we were cool, and he was like, which

1447
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 7: you just did, like everybody's fucking with this, Like that

1448
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 7: was the first call I got from one of my

1449
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 7: peers or someone I looked up to. Was this affirmation

1450
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 7: of the record. It meant so much. I remember exactly.

1451
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 7: I was standing outside looking at the window at the

1452
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 7: planes on the ground when I listened to that message

1453
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 7: from Jeff. That's how like much it meant to me.

1454
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 7: But to go back, so I met Amy because I

1455
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 7: had had a little bit of you know, heat off

1456
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 7: of that we record in England, just people kind of

1457
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 7: knew where I was. And Guy Moot, who was the

1458
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 7: head of EMI Music Publishing at the time, amazing air

1459
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 7: cool guy called me and he said, hey, Amy Winehouse

1460
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 7: is in is in New York for a couple of days.

1461
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 7: You want to meet with her? And I didn't have

1462
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 7: fucking shit else going on anyway, but I was like, yeah,

1463
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 7: I remember that girl because I because Made You Look

1464
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 7: is one of my favorite tracks of all time. And

1465
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 7: I loved her song in my bed. I used to

1466
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 7: play it, you know, in the sets here. And she

1467
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 7: came to the studio and I met her, and I

1468
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 7: actually met her at the front door, and uh, she

1469
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 7: came up the same time and she was like, yeah,

1470
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 7: I'm here to see Mark Ronson. I was like, yeah,

1471
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 7: I'm Mark and she goes, no, no like Mark Ronson.

1472
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 7: I was like, no, no, I am him, and she goes,

1473
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 7: I thought you were like an old guy with a

1474
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 7: bid or something like. I think she just like probably

1475
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 7: heard my name for longer, like thought I was somebody

1476
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 7: or whatever it was old guy. Yeah, just like a

1477
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 7: different like an older producer or something.

1478
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: So you were Mick Ronson, Yeah, that's it exactly, or

1479
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: Rick exactly.

1480
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 7: So we like when and we went and sat in

1481
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 7: Lapang coutiden On Grand and Mercer and we just talked

1482
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 7: for a minute. I instantly liked it because she was

1483
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 7: so funny, I mean, you know, and uh, we came

1484
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 7: up into my room, and you know, usually at that

1485
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 7: point it was this thing where I'd play beats for people,

1486
01:14:59,439 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 7: do you like this?

1487
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: You like this?

1488
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 7: But the minute she started talking about music, I just

1489
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 7: knew that I had nothing near what she was talking about.

1490
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 7: But it was so exciting, and I said, what kind

1491
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 7: of record do you want to make? Because she says, well,

1492
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 7: they play this stuff down at my local, like the

1493
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 7: Shangri Laws and stuff. So we listened to it and

1494
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 7: it's maybe a little familiar with something from like a

1495
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 7: Scorsese film, but that wasn't my shit. And then I

1496
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 7: was like, well, listen, I don't have anything like that,

1497
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 7: but if you come back tomorrow, like, let me just

1498
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 7: fuck around tonight and come back and see if there's

1499
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 7: anything you like. So I stayed up all night and

1500
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 7: I was like running around in this live room back here,

1501
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 7: I say, with every fucking instrument, And I came up

1502
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 7: with the chords on the piano for back to Black,

1503
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 7: and I just put a little like kick and tambourine

1504
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 7: on it and put a fucking reverb on everything, because

1505
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, that's she likes this shit, that's

1506
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 7: what it sounds like. And she came back the next

1507
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 7: morning and I was I was like nervous, but I

1508
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 7: was also so delirious from being up all night, like

1509
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 7: lack of sleep, working on this thing. And she sat

1510
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 7: behind me and I just kind of hit play. I

1511
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 7: was like, yeah, I made this thing last night, what

1512
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 7: do you think? And she just kind of had her

1513
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 7: head down like this, and and then it finished and

1514
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 7: she just looks up and she goes, yeah, I love it.

1515
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 7: I want my whole fucking album to sound like this,

1516
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 7: because she never had to. I wasn't even a poker face.

1517
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 7: She just never was gonna like gush. She didn't, you know,

1518
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 7: that wasn't her hard thing. And so she like took

1519
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 7: the CD, ran in the back room, wrote like the

1520
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 7: words and the everything in like an hour, and and

1521
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 7: she stayed in New York an extra five days so

1522
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 7: we could do the rest of the songs and demo them.

1523
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 7: And then I was using every plug in in the

1524
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 7: book to try and make it sound old. I didn't

1525
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 7: know what the fuck I was doing. And just about

1526
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 7: that time I had met Dave Guy and he had

1527
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 7: been playing on some other stuff I was doing. I'd

1528
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 7: started to do this version record of these covers, so

1529
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 7: they were playing. I didn't know how to record a band.

1530
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 7: I could barely just record a horn section. So they

1531
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 7: had just played me this Verizon commercial they had done

1532
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 7: with Sharon Jones that was like a cover of Sin

1533
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 7: Sealed Delivered or something like that, and I was blown away.

1534
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 7: I was like, wait, you guys made this like like today,

1535
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 7: Like how this you know, this sounds old. I don't

1536
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 7: understand how this happened. Like, yeah, it's Gabe Man, He's

1537
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 7: a genius engineers the guys, and we plan this is

1538
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 7: our other band. So I asked Amy. I played it

1539
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 7: for Amy. I was like, Yo, this shit sounds incredible, right,

1540
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 7: we let me go ask this band to play these demos,

1541
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 7: these songs have been working on. She said. I played

1542
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 7: it for She goes, yeah, it's the nuts, Like that

1543
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 7: was her expression if something was really good. She liked

1544
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 7: that fucking Verizon commercial, whatever it is.

1545
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: So then talking about by that point, you'd never heard

1546
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: of Sharon Jones and the dap Kings and just that

1547
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: whole underground Brooklyn E.

1548
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 7: I knew this stuff. I'm pure because I had sampled

1549
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 7: something off there on my first record, so something else

1550
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,839
Speaker 7: they had done. But I didn't really know the Brooklyn scene,

1551
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 7: and because I got dropped from my label rather unceremoniously

1552
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 7: a week after my album came out. Apparently some of

1553
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 7: the samples hadn't been paid for either. So when I

1554
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 7: finally met Gabe, bro oh, wait, did you.

1555
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,520
Speaker 1: Do brand new from Rhymfest?

1556
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 7: No? No, I didn't.

1557
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: Joint.

1558
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 7: Okay, I was walking past the Mercury Lounge. I probably

1559
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 7: knew that somehow how it's gonna get in touch with

1560
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 7: the Dap Kings. I didn't really know, and it said

1561
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 7: tonight Sharon Jones and the Dapkings. I was like, fuck,

1562
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 7: these are the guys I'm looking for, you know. So

1563
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 7: I walk in up the street and Gabe's kind of

1564
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 7: like closing up his bass. The gig is over. I'm like, hey,

1565
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 7: I start talking a mile a minute, probably trying to

1566
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,799
Speaker 7: give him the seal and da da da he like clicks.

1567
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 7: He's like, I need the guy that sampled. Yeah, I

1568
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 7: never got paid for that song that you sampled from

1569
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 7: your record. I was like, I'll definitely take care of that. Yeah,

1570
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 7: I'm so sorry, and like can you just come and

1571
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 7: like if can I play these demos and like if

1572
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 7: you like him, maybe like we works on the out

1573
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 7: and we could do the recorded And so I think

1574
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 7: Gabe just relented eventually and he came to my studio

1575
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 7: a couple of days later. Amy was already back in

1576
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 7: London and I played the demos and Gabe was like, Okay, well,

1577
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to check with Homer. Like Homer it's

1578
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 7: hard for him to get someone to watch his dog

1579
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 7: a lot of the time, Like he's thick caroly, like

1580
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 7: they're sewing their own world. He wasn't caught up. There

1581
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 7: was anotherhing that would have enticed about money. I think

1582
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 7: he always found and he said this before the Amy

1583
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 7: songs quite intense emotionally and like a little down and

1584
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 7: there music is so uplifting and soulful that like he

1585
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 7: also wasn't quite sure about like the lyrics and stuff.

1586
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't really his thing. He's a very pure,

1587
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 7: like instinctual guy, Gabe. But we got it together and

1588
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 7: we cut. Amy wasn't here, but I had all her

1589
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 7: vocals from the demos on a CDJ that I brought

1590
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 7: to the studio. And the band, you know, doesn't play

1591
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 7: to click. So the band would start and I would

1592
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 7: run Amy's a Cappella on a CDJ, speeding it up

1593
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 7: and slowing it down with the band so they could

1594
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 7: hear the vocal while they track, like you know, so

1595
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 7: you so you're pitch it, well not pitch, but you

1596
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 7: change the tempo with the temple so they hear her

1597
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 7: voice while they're tracking. From the demo, and the one

1598
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 7: song I really didn't have an arrangement that I liked

1599
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 7: for was you know I'm No Good. I kind of

1600
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 7: hated it, and I didn't know what to do with

1601
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 7: those chords because it was kind of like it reminded

1602
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 7: me of like a Spanish flamencoy thing because of the chords,

1603
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 7: and I had this very on the nose beat that

1604
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 7: was like boom got bud herd dunt dun dud dun

1605
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 7: dun jun ja. And I remember just playing that one

1606
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 7: for the band we had already done Back to Black

1607
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 7: and some of the other shit. I was confident enough

1608
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 7: to be like, I hate this thing that I did.

1609
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 7: Can you guys just think of like anything cooler to

1610
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 7: just play right there? And I think like three seconds

1611
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 7: home where Nick looked at each other and I was

1612
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 7: just like, how about doom did you do?

1613
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: Doom? June?

1614
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 7: Doom? Doom did you do do? And I just remember

1615
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 7: just being like, this is one of the greatest moments

1616
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 7: of my life.

1617
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: I know it. I know you know.

1618
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 2: So you did all the tracking at Daptone Studios.

1619
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 7: The reason I'm coming off the mic is because I

1620
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 7: remember I just found because these are the lyrics to

1621
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 7: back to Black, how she wrote them in the background,

1622
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 7: and it's got these are going to a museum and

1623
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 7: ship but like just for the last couple of days

1624
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 7: I get to hold on to him. But yeah, it's

1625
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 7: even got like a phone number of this guy like

1626
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 7: Broncas who used to do this thing last night's party,

1627
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 7: so she must have got his number the night before

1628
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 7: and all the other ship.

1629
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

1630
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 5: Man, What museum is it going to be in?

1631
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 7: Oh? Anybody who wants it? I mean, I'm just I

1632
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 7: just realized, like I found these rather recently, and I

1633
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 7: just realized that I do not need to have these.

1634
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 7: These need to be somewhere where people can see it,

1635
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 7: enjoy it. Yeah, got okay.

1636
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask mart Man what was the what

1637
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: were your thoughts on the Amy documentary, the one that uh,

1638
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 3: the one that came.

1639
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: I saw it in theater.

1640
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of it years ago, but yeah,

1641
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 3: I think it was just It might have been just Amy.

1642
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on that and do you think

1643
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 3: that captured in your opinion, you know who she really

1644
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 3: was as a person.

1645
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 7: I remember the first hour of it. I was just

1646
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 7: in love with it because you got all of the

1647
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 7: joy of Amy, all the humor, the wit, like the talent.

1648
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 7: I hadn't even really understood how amazing the lyrics to

1649
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 7: songs like fuck Me pumps and stuff on the first

1650
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 7: album that I wasn't that familiar was. Until I saw that,

1651
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 7: I was like wow, and it was like spending time

1652
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 7: with an old friend. The second half is very hard

1653
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 7: to watch, but I thought it was well done. I

1654
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 7: have a little bit of a problem relationship with it

1655
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 7: because you know, Ray Cosbert and her dad are people

1656
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 7: that I care about and that Amy cared a lot

1657
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 7: about and probably wouldn't feel great about them being treated disparagingly.

1658
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 7: But then it was also brutally on his film, so

1659
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 7: I thought it was a very difficult to watch. I've

1660
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 7: only seen it once, but I did think it was

1661
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 7: a powerful film that was like I think as I

1662
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 7: saw that scent of film, and I was like the

1663
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 7: other documentary that guy made for us, and I was like,

1664
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 7: this guy's gonna make a movie as weighty as her work,

1665
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 7: Like I feel like she deserves a great filmmaker.

1666
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: This is what I want to know, because you and

1667
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 2: and Salaam sort of held the majority of the weight

1668
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: of the album that production. Are you two comparing notes?

1669
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Are you hearing each other's demos? Because the thing is

1670
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: is that sonically that album sounds, you know, it's seamless,

1671
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,440
Speaker 2: it's it's it's absolutely seamless.

1672
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: But you know, how are you two even knowing what

1673
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: the do you are you guys.

1674
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 2: Even comparing notes? Like what the other is doing to

1675
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: make it make it that way? And who sort of

1676
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: gets the who's the fifty one percent of the forty nine?

1677
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: Like who decides yea song order and all that stuff. Really,

1678
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm asking why was Addicted treated like a bastard step job?

1679
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 2: I know that wasn't your song, but yeah, in the

1680
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 2: London version, the album opens with Addicted.

1681
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 7: Wow.

1682
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: In the American version, it's like the last song, like, yeah,

1683
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: the American version opens with Rehab and I'm like, wait, what, Like.

1684
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they're like Americans have short detention spans, we

1685
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 7: have to I don't I really don't know. I'm sure.

1686
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 7: I'm sure she had nothing to do with that either.

1687
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 7: But yes, I think, to be fully honest, Solam and

1688
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 7: had an incredible musical bond, and uh Slam has made

1689
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 7: many of my favorite tracks, like Stone.

1690
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact that he bought you know

1691
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 3: you said when you said your twelve inch was breaking

1692
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: the dough, I'm like, man.

1693
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's fujila all of it. And but I think

1694
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 7: that they were doing a similar thing, a little closer

1695
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 7: to what they had been doing on on Frank and

1696
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 7: they heard and Slam heard the demos. Amy said she

1697
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 7: was very excited about it, and then Salam took it

1698
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 7: into more of a live direction that maybe he would

1699
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 7: have done anyway, but I think he was probably excited

1700
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 7: to get to do that as well.

1701
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: So initially his work was more contemporary and whatnot, and

1702
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: then once you brought it to the sixties, then he

1703
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: adjusted his music accordingly.

1704
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I've been told.

1705
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, I get it.

1706
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 5: You know, in a.

1707
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 2: Year of highlights, like in two thousand and six, two

1708
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, especially when you win Producer of the Year,

1709
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Like what's going through your mind as they're reading off

1710
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 2: the nominations. And I mean by that point, were you

1711
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: basically like I got this or no?

1712
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 7: No, because it was still like, you know, Timbaland was up,

1713
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 7: and I was like they could easily give it to

1714
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 7: him for like a life service whatever. But you know,

1715
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 7: I'm not an idiot again and not going to pretend

1716
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 7: like I know what ticks Grammy otis boxes and this

1717
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 7: was like a record that really fell in that zone

1718
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 7: because it had touches of the classics and the past,

1719
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 7: and it's like a nod to the old school shit.

1720
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 7: But no, I don't. I do remember I was very

1721
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 7: hungover at the Grammys, which because I was just like

1722
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 7: part like that was my first time at the rodeo.

1723
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 7: Suddenly I kind of made it like I'm like high

1724
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 7: fiving Rhianna some party the night before, like with my

1725
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Speaker 7: stupid like beetles blowout bob or something that I was wearing.

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Speaker 7: But I was pretty hungover. It was very surreal. I

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Speaker 7: do remember when they read out Producer of the Year,

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Speaker 7: my friend had to like kind of like shake. It

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Speaker 7: was like hey, they said your name, like you know,

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Speaker 7: like it's in the movie, but the Grammys themselves. I

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Speaker 7: took my mom and you know, we sat next to

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Speaker 7: each other. Obviously it was my first time there, but like,

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Speaker 7: you know, there's no food, there's no water, you're hungover.

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Speaker 7: It's like there, you know, it's basically like sitting next

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Speaker 7: to my mom in synagogue on Yong Kapor. It's like

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Speaker 7: the same thing, or just like okay, when is this

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Speaker 7: gonna end?

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Speaker 1: But it was.

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Speaker 7: It was also a magical night.

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Speaker 1: Where do you keep your Grammys?

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Speaker 7: Right now? They're in storage