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Speaker 2: next day. That was the end of an absolutely perfect

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Speaker 4: Maybe some people split their votes.

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Speaker 2: Offensively, Russell Wilson played well in the second half of

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Speaker 4: They had a lot of Russell Wilson because they had

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Speaker 2: Yes, and yet they weren't. They weren't into bringing Justin

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Speaker 3: He moved the ball.

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Speaker 2: Now, they did have a possession where they had a

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Speaker 4: Little too close to the vest for me.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't even know. I mean, yeah, you skipped

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Speaker 4: What I think happened is that they punted up was

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Speaker 4: I don't want to give them a spark. I don't

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Speaker 4: little hesitant when I alluded to the idea of Russell

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Speaker 3: Just don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is a team that is fine just running back

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing every year. But I listened to

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Speaker 2: He's great, and he's frustrated, and I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: says it's not Tomlin's fault because it's the offense and

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Speaker 3: He's the head coach. He plays the same certain so away.

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Speaker 2: I also think the way he attacks training camp and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a one to one thing,

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Speaker 2: They did it this season, and I don't know, like,

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Speaker 3: Because that's basically I.

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Speaker 4: Will take the issue with this argument. They did go

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Speaker 4: He's already done it in the past. We've seen him

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Speaker 2: In fact, like he got way too much credit this year,

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Speaker 2: and that any speculation about it in terms of him

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Speaker 2: pops up every once in a while and he always

439
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: gets a new contract out of it, and he likes

440
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Speaker 2: getting new contracts.

441
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you He just got an you just.

442
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 4: Got a new contract with a no trade clause.

443
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 2: But they but they threw that out there again, like it.

444
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: It came out again, and it doesn't come out for

445
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: no reason. It's maybe it's a waste of time to

446
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 2: talk about, because I don't really believe that the Ruinies

447
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: would ever consider giving him up, and they shouldn't. But

448
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: I also think it's fair to point out if you're

449
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: talking about the best coaches in the NFL, an organization

450
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: that like loses in the same sort of way year

451
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Speaker 2: after year in the playoffs and isn't competitive when they

452
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: make it, and hasn't won a game in a long time.

453
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Speaker 2: And in those six straight playoff losses bill that they've

454
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Speaker 2: had the lot, they've trailed at halftime by an average

455
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Speaker 2: of fifteen and a half points.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so.

457
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Speaker 2: It's it's it's not just it's not that they just

458
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: make it and they don't win. It's that they make

459
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Speaker 2: it and they're not competitive. And it reminds me of

460
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Speaker 2: the end of this season Bill because they lost those

461
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: three games against the best teams in the NFL ninety

462
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: to forty and they lost this game twenty one and

463
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Speaker 2: nothing at halftime, and yeah, the Bengals game was closer,

464
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: but that's like an eight and eight team. That's just

465
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Speaker 2: sort of who they are, and so that's got to

466
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: be frustrating for.

467
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Speaker 4: Their For them, I'm just picturing like the Saints, where

468
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: their entire aspirations are to be the Steelers, like the

469
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Speaker 4: idea of being a nine or ten win team that

470
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Speaker 4: makes it to the playoffs every year and loses is

471
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Speaker 4: exactly what their best case scenario is right now. I

472
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Speaker 4: think we're both on the same page. I don't think

473
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Speaker 4: we think it's Mike Tomlin. But let me ask you, Greg,

474
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Speaker 4: let's try to be practical here. If you're not moving

475
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Speaker 4: on from Mike Tomlin, if you're not trading away Mike Tomlin,

476
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Speaker 4: what are you doing to break the cycle. What is

477
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 4: the move the Steelers make Because they tried drafting Kenny

478
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: Pickett that didn't work. That was clearly a let's try

479
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: to get our franchise quarterback on the cheap and then

480
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: we'll build around him with you know, more talent elsewhere.

481
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 4: They have talented dunk players on this roster. No question.

482
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: They went very cheap the cheapest quarterback situation late this

483
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: year that you know, got them back to where they were.

484
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Speaker 4: What's the swing you're taking here a quarterback? What's the move?

485
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Speaker 2: It's like a different mindset offensively. It's not hiring Matt

486
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: Canada and Arthur Smith. I don't think Arthur Smith like

487
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: was good for this team.

488
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Speaker 3: I don't.

489
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to blow it up necessarily because the

490
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: offensive line I think started to finally make progress. Ye

491
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: have invested a lot in in that and there.

492
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Speaker 3: There was progress.

493
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Speaker 2: Then again, they were one of the worst running games

494
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: in the entire NFL. So I guess how good is

495
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: their offensive line?

496
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Speaker 6: Like?

497
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Speaker 3: They're their offense.

498
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: Their their running game was basically based on their running

499
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: backs being good and breaking tackles, but they didn't really

500
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: have anything going in terms of the blocking scheme. I

501
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: don't know we should we should focus more on these

502
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: these ravens. I mean, you're getting you're getting Steve Simms

503
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: and and Thailand Wallis and Anthony Miller out there.

504
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Speaker 4: We're gonna have plenty of times talk about the Ravens

505
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: in the weeks to come. I the thing that really

506
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: took me out in the first quarter of this game

507
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 4: was the broadcast when first drive of the game for

508
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 4: the Steelers and say, yeah, you're gonna see more Jalen

509
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 4: Warren today because Mike Tomblin said he has the hot

510
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: hand for them and running back and I looked it

511
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 4: up in Jalen Warren had six carries for twenty one

512
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: yards and no catches the prior week, and that that

513
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 4: was the hot hand for this offense was a running

514
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 4: back averaging I think like three and a half yards

515
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: of carry. It tells you sort of how dire things

516
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: got for this offense here at the end of the season.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is they got like the most

518
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: I could have expected out of Van Jefferson, in Calvin

519
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: Austin and at times Russell Wilson and Justin fields like

520
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: they were better.

521
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Speaker 4: But but what you didn't answer my question? What's the

522
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: movie you're making?

523
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Speaker 1: Are you?

524
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Speaker 4: I think it has to be taking a quarterback or

525
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Speaker 4: is this something else?

526
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Speaker 2: Well, sir, you have to always keep taking swings at quarterback,

527
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: I think every year in the draft until you have one.

528
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: So I didn't love this idea.

529
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: I'd rather have gone with Fields, like we'll never know

530
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: everyone that apologized after the move to Wilson. Ultimately, he

531
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: was dead last in the NFL in the last five

532
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: weeks in EPA per place. So I don't I don't know,

533
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: like how whether it would have been better or worse

534
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: in the end with with Russell Wilson or not. But

535
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 2: it's it would have to be like having a totally

536
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: different offensive, like modern mindset like that they just haven't had.

537
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: They have this weird idea that hey, we're the Steelers,

538
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: we want to run the ball. I think it plays

539
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: play to our defense, be conservative and and that's it.

540
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: And those are the types of guys he hired, like

541
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith sold them on that vision. But when was

542
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Speaker 2: the last time Arthur Smith, like like had a consistently

543
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: good running team, like in terms of the talent that

544
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: he had, I don't.

545
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: Know the year before. I mean to be fair, I

546
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: think there is an element of the Steeler, significant element

547
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: of this Dealers fan base that also wants that, Like

548
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: I think the when Steelers fans think about what they

549
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: want what their offense to look like, they wanted to

550
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 4: look like Jerome Bennis. They wanted to look like sure,

551
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: you know, Franco Harris. They wanted to be the teams

552
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 4: that are running because they're thirteen and four and they

553
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 4: have a great defense, and they are running in the

554
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. They want smash mount football. I think there

555
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: was a subset that Caarac just wants to win, but

556
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 4: I think ideally that is what they want. So I

557
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 4: think they're sort of playing a element of fans service

558
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: by hiring Arthur Smith.

559
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Speaker 3: Fair.

560
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: That's absolutely fair. And like I said, I don't think

561
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: the Rooneyes are going to do anything. So we say

562
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: goodbye to what I think was the worst team in

563
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: the playoffs, the Steelers. When you lose four straight games,

564
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it was. I think them

565
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: and the Texans were the contenders coming into the day.

566
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: They were not the contenders coming out of the day.

567
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: And yes, shout out to all the Ravens who got

568
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: the job done today, a da fe Aoway, even Nate

569
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: Wiggans who is maybe in single coverage to George Pickens

570
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: a little too often and was driving Patrick Claybond crazy.

571
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Speaker 3: We were about it.

572
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: Madam Buike had a nice game like they have a

573
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 2: lot of players that are playing better on defense. We'll

574
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: see if they're good enough next week. And you talked

575
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: about the Steelers.

576
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you've.

577
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: Talked about the Steelers defense not being prepared enough. This

578
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: is the last time that we'll hear them this week.

579
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: But like Kirk kerk Street like doesn't know who the like,

580
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: how the playoff seeds work, and who's going to play

581
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: each other in the playoffs. And it's just like a

582
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: consistent it's a consistent pattern here.

583
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: Get myself in trouble. No comment, No, yeah you can't.

584
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: You can.

585
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: Moving on all right?

586
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: That is it from Baltimore, you know, before we take

587
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: a quick break. Of course, we're here in southern California

588
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: and in LA all heartbroken by the devastation and destruction

589
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: from the wildfires.

590
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: Here.

591
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I was driving down the four or five pet pass

592
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: some of it today and it's crazy, it's still happening,

593
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: it's still horrifying, and families affected by these fires urgently

594
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: need support. You can help the American Red Cross respond

595
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Speaker 2: org slash NFL we will be back after the break

598
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: In Houston.

599
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 6: Stroud gets under center fourth and one at the seventeen

600
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 6: yard lot of the Charger. CJ hands off to mix

601
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 6: some money left.

602
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: How's the fifteenth ted? Nextit across the five, Next look to.

603
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: The pilot, Next sit to the hud zone.

604
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 6: Celebrate mix it on fourth down, Peter and the Texans

605
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 6: have their lead extended.

606
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 5: Seventeen yard touchdown run.

607
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 4: I think you just started the h Town leap.

608
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: That was Joe Mixon, that was Mark Vandermere and Andre

609
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: ware On k I l t thirty two to twelve.

610
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: A score of GOMI in the playoffs and.

611
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: A scorey got me in a situation where it felt

612
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: like if any team was gonna win thirty to twelve

613
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: in this game, for most of the first half, it

614
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: felt like the Chargers were going to be that team.

615
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 3: It was absolutely crazy.

616
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I almost can't believe looking at the final scores and

617
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: even the final numbers, where the Texans end up with

618
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty nine yards and the Chargers end

619
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: up with two sixty one, Like, I can't believe that's

620
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: how it ended, because it just didn't feel that way

621
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: for most of the game. And if you look at

622
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: the success rates for the two teams, they're actually pretty

623
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: similar for a lot of it. But that drive, and

624
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to start there, Bill, was one of the

625
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: most surprising drives I've ever seen to see the twenty

626
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: twenty four Houston Texans. Maybe they're turning a new leaf

627
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: like in the in the actual New Year, run the ball.

628
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: I believe it was fourteen straight times to end that.

629
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: Drive, thirteen so fourteen play. Drive it through the on

630
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: the first play and then ran it thirteen consecutive times

631
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: to finish up. So that's why they're not also in

632
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: the thirteen for thirteen club. It was thirteen for fourteen, Right.

633
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: I have not been more surprised by a drive all season,

634
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: considering how in effective the Texans have been running the

635
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: ball all year, And yet at that point it was

636
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: like the Chargers defense, which were absolutely ready for this game.

637
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: It was a good defensive game. They just sort of

638
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: gave out and Houston was just much too much for them.

639
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: And that place was rocking.

640
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: And the Texans are going to the Divisional round for

641
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: the second straight year.

642
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: Yes, And you know, I think there was an element

643
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 4: of being tired. They've been on the field so often

644
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: because their offense was either scoring really quickly or turning

645
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 4: the ball over really quickly or going three and out.

646
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: And I don't know what the play disparity was in

647
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: this game, and certainly the Chargers had a lot of

648
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: plays early before the Texans then took over and sort

649
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: of controlled the ball at that final drive at the

650
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: end of the first half. We could also talk about

651
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: as a you know, a season saving drive in some

652
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: ways for the Houston Texans. I mean, this game was there,

653
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: it was there for the taking for the Chargers. There

654
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: is a a version of this game where instead of

655
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: getting stuffed on third and one in the first drive,

656
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: they convert. They score a touchdown when they've been moving

657
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: the ball really effectively, Texans turned the ball over immediately,

658
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: give them a short field, They score another touchdown, They

659
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Speaker 4: get the ball back again after a Stroud they dropped

660
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: a Stroud interception, and then they get a Strad interception,

661
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 4: they have another short field, they score on that. It's

662
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: twenty one to nothing. I mean, they could have taken

663
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: over this game, and there's a lot of like, you know,

664
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: a lot of me filling in the blanks for this offense,

665
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: which is maybe undeservedly given that they really did struggle

666
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: for the majority of this game. But we see this

667
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: happen in games where you give a team a couple

668
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: of short fields and the game's over, and you know,

669
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: there would have been no thirteen play run, drive down

670
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: twenty one nothing. I think that the Texans defense did

671
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: such a heroic job of saving this game long enough

672
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: for the offense to finally get going, and once it did,

673
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: it felt like the Chargers didn't have many answers outside

674
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: of the occasional turnover.

675
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all really well said.

676
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: I want to blame the Chargers on one hand for

677
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: having in their first ten drives of the game under

678
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards, with three interceptions and a.

679
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: Fumble that they picked up the fumble.

680
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: And one third down six points in the one of

681
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: the field goals was a twelve yard drive that was

682
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: just you know, set up by one of those turnovers.

683
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: I want to blame the Chargers offense. But one of

684
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: the reasons I actually thought this was a good game.

685
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: It was obviously like a West of this game. That is,

686
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, for those who are new to the show,

687
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: the early Saturday afternoon game, which our dear friend Chris

688
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Westling dubbed West of which is when Andy Dalton and

689
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: the Bengals would traditionally lose, although at some point in

690
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: there they started playing the Texans, and the Texans just

691
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: took over that time slot and they've actually played in Yes.

692
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: That was the jj WAT Pick six game. I think

693
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: was the turning point.

694
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: That was the turning point. I was at a game

695
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: that brock Osweiler started against Connor Cook, which is in

696
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: the mix for the worst starting quarterback com you know,

697
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: matchup in the history of the NFL, certainly in the

698
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: twenty first century, which is you know, more about passing.

699
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: And they won that game.

700
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: It was the first ever home victory by the Texans.

701
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: At some point it switched to the Texans and they

702
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: own the slot. They are now six and two.

703
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: What why why were you at that game of all games?

704
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: For like a year or two, my old boss at

705
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: the NFL wanted me to get out on the road

706
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: more and they were sending.

707
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: Me to they to playoff games.

708
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: And yes I was the Houston Texans or Cincinnati Bengals

709
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: of NFL dot com column writers. I you know, I'll

710
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: respect Jeffrey Chidia, Judy Batista. They deserve their spot in line.

711
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: They were doing it, you know, all season long, and

712
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: so I was fourth in line. Maybe it was wish

713
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: as the other one, but yes, I would go to

714
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: the worst games usually of the weekend, and they went.

715
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: They won that game. There are now six and two

716
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: in these games. And for all and I know I'm

717
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: talking about here for although blame I want to put

718
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: on the Chargers defense offense. I just think this was

719
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: an incredible defense by the Texans, Like sometimes that really

720
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: can't happen. And for a while, the Chargers defense was

721
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: playing incredible this game. You mentioned the third and short

722
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: that they don't pick up, Well, who's making the stop there?

723
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: That was Kaylen Bullock, their young safety I believe was

724
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: in on that stop. It's passes defense. Darryl Stingley ends

725
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: up with five passes defense in this game. An incredible interception,

726
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: Kamari Lassiter has an incredible interception. Autry is making plays

727
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: all over the place. Will Anderson saved them early in

728
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: this game. Like they all just were taking turns, making

729
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: incredible plays, and they were just obviously better schematically and

730
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: talent wise than the Chargers offense was on this day.

731
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a surprise because the Chargers, whatever you

732
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 4: want to say about their offensive abilities, are a well

733
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: coached offense generally. But I think we saw a game

734
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: plan that really hit the weaknesses of the Chargers hard,

735
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: and that was a lot of twists with their star

736
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: edge rushers, So not just rushing them one on one

737
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: against these strengths of the Chargers their offensive tackle, a

738
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: lot of them getting them inside, getting them against the

739
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: offensive guards, getting them against the centers, getting them against

740
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: the running backs. That worked really well. There was a

741
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: lot of flush justin Herbert in this game. We saw

742
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: a lot of doubling of lad Bakkonki. Derek Stanley did

743
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: not travel in the slot with lad Bacconki. But this

744
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: was you know, they didn't play a lot of man

745
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 4: coverage in this game. They played a decent amount, but

746
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 4: it wasn't like they were, you know, the twenty sixteen

747
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: Patriots when he came to man coverage. But I think

748
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: there was that element of the same filosophy of Okay,

749
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: lad McConkie, We're going to try and double him with

750
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: our guys in the interior, get him a safety over

751
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 4: the top of La McConkie get a linebacker to help,

752
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: and then we trust Derek Stingley is going to takeovers

753
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 4: on his side of the field and shut them down.

754
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: And that was the key part of this game in

755
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 4: a lot of ways, is that the Chargers repeatedly tried

756
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: to go at Derek Stingley and time after time were rejected.

757
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: I mean, not only did Derek Stanley have a couple

758
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: of two interceptions in this game, one of which was

759
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: on a Will Distey drop, the other one on a

760
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: great play on a throw down field, But to me,

761
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: one of the biggest plays of the game was that

762
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: fourth down the Chargers went for where Lad McConkie is

763
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: not open. The Chargers have seven in protection to send

764
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 4: three guys out, and their only option was to throw

765
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: a pivot route to Quentin Johnston against Derek Stingley, an

766
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: all Pro cornerback, where not only did Quentin Johnston run

767
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: a half yard route on fourth and two where even

768
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: if he caught it, he would have been short of

769
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: the sticks, but then he also did that complete catch

770
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: and it was an incompletion as well. So just a

771
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: you know, just a if you can get your best

772
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: player against a wide receiver, three caliber receiver and on

773
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: a fourth down that's say win for you on defense.

774
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: So I think the Texans really gave the Chargers the

775
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: answers they wanted them to take, and then exploited those

776
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: answers with their best players.

777
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: So Quinton Johnston, who had the best game of his

778
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: career last week, it really was the Quinton Johnson's game.

779
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. It was like eight

780
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: for one, ninety seven or something. Insane. Didn't have a

781
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: catch on five targets.

782
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: Today.

783
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: To go to the rest of the Chargers receivers for

784
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: non lad mcconkee targets, they had forty five yards on

785
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: eighteen targets. McConkie goes nine for one to ninety seven

786
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: and one, including that incredible touchdown, And you can blame

787
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: that completely on all the other receivers. Justin Herbert obviously

788
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: bears funy of blame in this game, ends up with

789
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: four interceptions. It's more than he had all season long.

790
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: And yet I do think about that play. That's a

791
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: good example. It's their lack of talent to win a

792
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: one on one matchup. It's Quinton Johnston running a bad route.

793
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: You can't really blame Herbert there for throwing it to

794
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: him because he's got to assume his option right is

795
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: making it.

796
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: That said that where.

797
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: You could blame him a little bit on that play

798
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: maybe is you got seven into protect and I know

799
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: he hadn't been protected great that game. He doesn't try

800
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: to become a playmaker too often, like the ball was

801
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: still out of his hands quickly and seeing the matchup

802
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: that he had and there wasn't a lot of separation there.

803
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: It's a split second decision. But what CJ.

804
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Stroud did well in this game more than anything I

805
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: thought was it was run the ball and make a

806
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: couple of plays to help turn this game around. And

807
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: when it's not going well for Herbert, that does stand

808
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: out that he doesn't do a lot of playmaking. Though

809
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: that's one pick you could knit here along with the

810
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: four interception.

811
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: It's a tough week out here for Herbert the Herbert Hive.

812
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be a tough six months.

813
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: It was weird because he did do that more during

814
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: the regular season. That was one of the welcome benefits

815
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: of justin Herbert the shear was that he was we

816
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: anymore and it felt like that was something that he

817
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 4: was being encouraged to do by the Chargers, and I

818
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 4: want to go back. You know, it's Saturday night. I

819
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: want to go back on Sunday or more realistically maybe

820
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: Monday and watch this game again and see if those

821
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: opportunities were there. Figure they were. But the interceptions, Yes,

822
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 4: the Will Disley pick is not on Justin Herbert, but

823
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: I got three that are and that's the entirety he

824
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: had of all season that were bad decisions, bad throws.

825
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: I mean that first pick, every bit of a twenty

826
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: nineteen Josh Allen. We're all laughing on social media. What

827
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: is this guy doing? Pick after a interception from Justin

828
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: Stratt for for CD Strat, excuse me? You have you

829
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: know you're gonna take a shot. I understand that you're

830
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: throwing across your body, you know, from the right side

831
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: numbers to the left side sideline. No window is there.

832
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 4: Like the best case scenario is that's going in complete,

833
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 4: like just a bad decision, just the decision decision you

834
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: cannot make as a great quarterback, as a quarterback, expecting

835
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: me when a playoff game. And the disheartening thing is now,

836
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna go back to this regular season

837
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 4: and people are gonna look at what Justin Herbert did,

838
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: and his numbers are not great this year. I mean,

839
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: he had a incredible interception rate, but his first down rated,

840
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 4: sharts per attempt, everything else was okay, some above average,

841
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: a little bit below average in some places. He took

842
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 4: too many sacks, especially sacks that got him injured, where

843
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: he wastly extending plays. There's going to be a real

844
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: reflection on Justin Herbert. I don't think they're going to

845
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: make any changes, obviously, but I think you know, there

846
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: was a lot of good will built up for Justin

847
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: Herbert over the course of this season.

848
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: That was coming out hard. He's coming swinging for Herbert.

849
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 4: What did I say here? That's crazy?

850
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: This this man now he had four receptions.

851
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: In the playoff. Can't be through the entire season. But

852
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: this was in the shoe all year. That was that

853
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: was propping him up all season was an incredibly low

854
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: interception rate, and that's unsustainable. We know.

855
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I thought he managed games really well all year. Their

856
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: offensive line was okay this year. Their running game was

857
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: miserable for the most part, and was miserable in this game.

858
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: One of the lowest success rates sixteen, yes, all season long,

859
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: they had one of the lowest success rates in the NFL.

860
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: And they couldn't run the ball today either outside of

861
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: that first drive. And even that first drive it ends

862
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: on a third and one that gets blown up.

863
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: And it even.

864
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: Reminded me of last week against like the Raiders, like

865
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: they couldn't they couldn't get a third and one early

866
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: in second and one third and one early in that game,

867
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: and that that was them all season.

868
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: And so the running game it's stunk. It's not.

869
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that it's an excuse for Herbert, but

870
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: they you know, Greg Roman without a running game is like,

871
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: what do you got here?

872
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: Right? That's not what I was going to say, is

873
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 4: you know you bring in Greg Roman. That's what he's

874
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: there for. That's what he's supposed to do, is fix

875
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 4: your running game. And I understand this was not a

876
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: running game that had a Lamar Jackson as an active participant,

877
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: didn't have a Colin Kaepernick as an active participant, or

878
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: a Tyrod Taylor. They didn't have the quarterback run game

879
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: factored in. But Greg Rowman was still supposed to be

880
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 4: able to build a coherent run game around the pieces

881
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: he had, And I think We all love seeing JK.

882
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: Dobbins have a great start to the season, but he

883
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: had two one hundred yard games to start the year

884
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: and didn't have another one the rest of the way.

885
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean, they were very inconsistent running the football and

886
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: that led to a lot of ways to drives and

887
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: in this game, Herbert misthrows. He made mistakes, got some

888
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: really good throws of course as well. It's not like

889
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 4: he was completely terrible, but you know, it felt like

890
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 4: they did not have the ability to rely on the

891
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: run game when they needed it.

892
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: No, but the numbers, the numbers are crazy. Now if

893
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: you go through the four inner sevens. Yeah, that first

894
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: that first pick, terrible decision, but an awesome play.

895
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: Out a Lassiter.

896
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like these Texans cornerbacks, it's the best young secondary

897
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: in the league by far. I mean, that might be

898
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: the best cornerback duo in the league. It's in the

899
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 2: mix right now, Lassiter intingly, just just because just because

900
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Stingley is that that good right now? Like they're in

901
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: the mix. But in terms of a young secondary, Okay,

902
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: that's fair the Steelers, but I'm including Jalen Petrie, who

903
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: is awesome this year and he's out he's out, and

904
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: I think is he out for the season.

905
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: He's He's not gonna but Callen.

906
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: Block's been great and like that reminds me of another

907
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: play from recent weeks, Like when he has a chance

908
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: to make the catch, he makes it. Now, you got

909
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: the Eric Murray pick six. That was more of just

910
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: Herbert's a little rushed, a little crowded in the pocket,

911
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: throws it a little high and it and it goes

912
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: through Maconkey's hands, but it's a high throw.

913
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 3: They were forcing him to try to make touch passes.

914
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: That really wasn't one of them, and that's not like

915
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: something he does that well. And the other interception, what

916
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say is sometimes you have opportunities to

917
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: make an interception and you don't make them. Those weren't

918
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: the easiest ones ever, and they did make them. Whereas

919
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: the Chargers, for instance, as you mentioned, like second drive

920
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: of the game, they drop a potential Stroud interception. I mean, hell,

921
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: the Chargers did turn the ball over three times. The

922
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: first freaking play of the game is a fumble that

923
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: they force on a short catch like and it doesn't matter.

924
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: The Texan defense just was ready for all of it.

925
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yes, there was pressure in Justin Herbert's

926
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 4: lap on that overthrow for the pick six. It's also

927
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: a throw into the flat, Like you can dirt it,

928
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: you can put it in a place where it's not

929
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: going to be that they're going to be a short

930
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: catch or an incompletion. There's lots of things you can do.

931
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: What you cannot do is sell it over your wide

932
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: receiver's head. And this is not you know, this is

933
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 4: not Bonicks, this is not year one. Let's see what

934
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: this guy does. It's not Caleb Williams. This guy is

935
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: in what his fifth sixth is as a pro, like

936
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: he's on a second contract. He is getting the hype

937
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 4: as a superstar quarterback. Like, you can't make that throw.

938
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: You cannot miss that throw under any circumstances. That is

939
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: a like that that I cannot think of another quarterback.

940
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure you'll sure someone clip for me tomorrow, but like,

941
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: that is a throw you cannot make as a franchise

942
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: quarterback in that situation, Like you have to be able

943
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: to either escape that pressure or be smart with the

944
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: football and smart with your placement. And he was not,

945
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: and it it basically ended the game as a contest.

946
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, out of playoff games. I think it was your

947
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: friend Seth Walder right that he put it out that

948
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: out of two hundred and fourteen playoff it was it

949
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: Shield that put this out that Justin Herbert was two

950
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteenth in EPA per play So it's gotta

951
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: be a rough offseason. I think he's a top ten quarterback.

952
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: I think he played like a top ten quarterback this season.

953
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: He's absolutely fair through five seasons to think that the

954
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: promise of his rookie year that he was going to

955
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: be right there with the top guys in the league,

956
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: He's obviously not with the top guys in the league.

957
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: Can can he get there eventually? Yeah, Like it's possible,

958
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 2: but he obviously is not in that top tier group.

959
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: And yet despite all this, Bill like, this was absolutely

960
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: a game that I still thought the Chargers were going

961
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: to win when it was six to nothing late in

962
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: the second quarter. Let's take back. Let's think about where

963
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: the Texans were. They had the ball pretty much coming

964
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: out on their own goal line. Were they on the

965
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: two yard line? Everyone thought they were probably gonna like

966
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: take a safety there. Everyone's making the same joke like

967
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: here comes the safety CJ.

968
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: Stroud, there was almost an intentional grounding call, right.

969
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, like, oh sorry,

970
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: that call to me or non call was almost as

971
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: big as the third and sixteen play where Stroud scrambles.

972
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: After that, he you know, trails after a bad snap

973
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: and hits the third and sixteen play to kickstart that

974
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: two minute drive. He is flushed, he's in the pocket.

975
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: He throws it out of bounds and when they showed

976
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: that replay, at least from that angle, it looked like

977
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: he was in the pocket to me, but it was close.

978
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: Those are tough calls to make.

979
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: They didn't make the call, but that would have made

980
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: it eight nothing with under two minutes to go, and

981
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: then clicking out instead, they get another chance. He has

982
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: a third and sixteen play and it's just like a

983
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: scramble play, and it was almost like that moment Bill CJ. Stroud,

984
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: like he couldn't think because he's just running after a

985
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 2: ball and the game is about to end. He's running

986
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: after it and he's just finally just makes a play

987
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: and gets a big first down, and after that it

988
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: was like he locked in and he was the CJ.

989
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: Stroud for the most part that you would want to see.

990
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: There were a couple of little blips, but like he

991
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: starts hitting a ton of inbreakers.

992
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I actually went and looked at it on next Gen.

993
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: I tried to, like, you know, chart it out, and

994
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: I think it was the right call. I think it

995
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: was good to hear. It was either the right call

996
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 4: or it was close enough that I cannot fault them

997
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: for not making the call. And my first instinct was

998
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: that it was grounding. So I feel like not going

999
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: to put the refs down too much for that. But

1000
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: I see what you're saying, and I don't disagree to

1001
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: one extent. But when it's eight nothing and you're getting

1002
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: the ball back, your instant goes, Okay, we can score

1003
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: a touchdown and make it fifteen nothing and then we're

1004
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: we're in great shape. But nothing the Chargers. Did you

1005
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: think that they were going to score? That's that's the

1006
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: only part that I find difficult to believe is that, Okay,

1007
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 4: if it was going to be a defensive touchdown, maybe

1008
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: that would have gotten a fifteen. But it felt like

1009
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: even when they got short fields in this game, they

1010
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: were not able to do anything with them, and so

1011
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 4: to me, you know, the defense was gonna have to

1012
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: win this game, and once, like you said, one Stroud

1013
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: hits that play. It felt like so much of what

1014
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: the Chargers were doing was just taking away stuff over

1015
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: the top. I think they were playing, you know, very

1016
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: conservative shells on defense. I think they wanted their pass

1017
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 4: rush to get home and to be the focal point

1018
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: of the defense. They did lose Denzil Perriman early in

1019
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: this game, but there's not a great, you know, coverage linebacker.

1020
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: He's more of a run plucking linebacker. So I don't

1021
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: think that made a big difference. But like you said,

1022
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 4: Nico Collins just got open over and over and over

1023
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: again on in breaking rounds. They had Christian Fulton covering

1024
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: him a lot, and it felt like Fulton was not

1025
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: up to the task necessarily. But I think in the

1026
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: big picture, the thing I would say is just this

1027
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: is a very top heavy Texans team. They have some

1028
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: very mediocre, play meaningful roles. They are some guys who

1029
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: have been banged up because of injury were playing more

1030
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 4: than they should because of injuries. Like they have their stars,

1031
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 4: they have Collins, they have Stroud, They have the defensive

1032
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 4: ends with Hunter and Anderson, they have Stingley, and then

1033
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, they have maybe maybe not to

1034
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 4: a lesser extent, but they have Lassiter and they have

1035
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 4: Bullock in the secondary, and all of those guys were

1036
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: awesome in this game. And that is the difference. The

1037
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 4: Texans were able to attack the weakest parts in the

1038
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: Chargers roster, and so many times the Chargers were stuck

1039
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: trying to attack the strengths of this Texans team and

1040
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: were not able to do so.

1041
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: Will Anderson ended up with six quick pressures in this game.

1042
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: So that's under two and a half seconds. Like, that's wow,

1043
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: that's just like an epic performance. Seven overall, both Daniel

1044
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: Hunter and Deniko Autry both had five pressures in this game,

1045
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: and three for Hunter were quick.

1046
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: So do you remember in the two plays before the

1047
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 4: crazy Mconkee touchdown?

1048
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's play it. So this is one of the

1049
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 2: crazy four play sequence. Our producer Eric had some fun

1050
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: putting this together. Just sit back and enjoy.

1051
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 6: Empty packfield for Herbert first down from the charge with

1052
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 6: her Ause, these looks like he's coming.

1053
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: Three receivers to.

1054
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: The left side, watched out of the field as these

1055
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: drops back. Here comes well co terminator with a second

1056
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 6: Herbert second and seventeen from the charger.

1057
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: Twenty three. Here's Herbert in the backfield again. Mario cuts

1058
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: back there. They brassed Herbert for another sack.

1059
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: Back to back.

1060
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: This is an onslaught by the Texans defensive front third

1061
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: and forever, third.

1062
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: And twenty six down, twenty three to six. Herbert the

1063
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: throne steps up in the pocket.

1064
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 5: Mclakey with a grab and mccaukey in the race is

1065
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: fifty forty mccaukey thirty twenty ten touchdown. Chargers on a

1066
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 5: third and twenty six eighty six yard touchdown Dicker.

1067
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 6: The kicker between the hashes with the spot Jake K.

1068
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 6: Scott will hold as the Chargers get the block. Kick

1069
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 6: here and it's patted down by Ticker.

1070
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: The Texans are.

1071
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: On the move with it.

1072
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 6: It's still alive, being brought back across the thirty twenty

1073
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 6: ten DiAngelo Russ all the way to the house as

1074
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 6: the Texans get too.

1075
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Yes, that was the four place sequence sack sack.

1076
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: It's twenty three to six, by the way at this point,

1077
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: like early in the fourth quarter, long Maconkeye touchdown that

1078
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: was for eighty six yards, A great throw by Herbert.

1079
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it could have gone either way, but it

1080
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: got through Maconkey's so freaking good.

1081
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: He ends up nine for one ninety seven. And then yes, the.

1082
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Blocked extra point, which I don't know how the Nickelodeon

1083
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: crew was on it, but I think it confused the

1084
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: regular CBS crew of like, wait does this count?

1085
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: Confuse the players.

1086
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: As to either And I think if it gets past

1087
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage it doesn't count. But it doesn't

1088
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: matter because it's blocked before the line of scrimmage and

1089
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: then they return it and it would have been a

1090
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: ten point game. Like you said, I don't think the

1091
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: Chargers defense was gonna come back enough in this game.

1092
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: But that's about as wild a four play sequence as

1093
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 2: you will ever see.

1094
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: That was fun, Yeah, And I think it's an example

1095
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: of everything you might want to confirm about the Chargers offense.

1096
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean, first two plays, two just immediate sacks. I mean,

1097
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: just no protection whatsoever. I would guess the first is

1098
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: on Justin Herbert. It looks like he's hot off the

1099
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: right side there. Again, I want to see what the

1100
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: tape says, but it looks like there's three people coming

1101
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: to that side, so he should be hot. Doesn't have

1102
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: an answer. It takes a sack immediately from Will Anderson.

1103
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: Second play, nobody blocks anybody. It feels like four people

1104
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: break through. And then just In Herbert saying, screw it.

1105
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: I'm just throwing it as hard as I can to

1106
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: the only receiver I trust, and either he's gonna come

1107
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: down with it or I'm gonna throw a pick. But

1108
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to get hit on this play. And

1109
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: then the Dicker play, which Dicker is going to get

1110
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: a ton of criticism for knocking the ball down. If

1111
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: you see JK. Scott on this play, he sees the

1112
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: Texans recover it and does not break into anything more

1113
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: than the lightest of jobs. I think he thought the

1114
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: play was over. I think other players on the Chargers

1115
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: team thought this play was over. It was like, what

1116
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 4: did it?

1117
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: Was?

1118
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: The fair kick? What did they run a couple of

1119
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: weeks ago.

1120
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: Yes, the Chargers where they had the free kick free

1121
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: kick kick?

1122
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, they felt like the opposite of the

1123
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: free kick, where like the free kick was. You know,

1124
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 4: these Chargers are geniuses. The special teams were so well prepared.

1125
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: This was the exact opposite. It felt like they were

1126
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: not prepared for the situation whatsoever, and it came back

1127
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 4: to bite them and cost them two points at the

1128
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 4: worst possible time.

1129
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: Yes, and they didn't do anything when they got the

1130
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: ball again anyways. And they also couldn't get off the

1131
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: field as the Texans are just.

1132
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: Running the ball over and over and over.

1133
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: I will say I thought of a camp today for

1134
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: Ladi McConkie, just in terms of how people talk about him.

1135
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: I was convinced after Nico's kind of breakout year that

1136
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: like coming into this year, that he was still weirdly undervalued,

1137
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: that that contract was one of the best contracts in

1138
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: the entire NFL. And because he's like a top ten

1139
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: type of receiver, and I don't think people quite saw

1140
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: him that the way that Texan's knew and he is.

1141
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: I mean we saw that again when he's on the

1142
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: field this year. He is absolutely electric. There's nothing that

1143
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: he can't do. He ends up with seven for one,

1144
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: twenty two and one. He can do it all. I

1145
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: think lad McConkey is going to be a top ten

1146
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: NFL receiver. There's this weird thing because he's so small

1147
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: that people just immediately like, Oh, as long as you

1148
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: get someone with him, he'll be fine. What doesn't he do?

1149
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: He wins on the outside, He wins contested catches. He

1150
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: is electric in terms of his short area quickness, but

1151
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: he has long speed. If you watch the second half

1152
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: of this season, there's so many catches like that where

1153
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: he is leaping. He's not mossing guys because of his size,

1154
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: but he's winning at the catch point. As long as

1155
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: he stays healthy, and he stayed healthy this year year,

1156
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't see why he isn't a guy that can't

1157
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: put up even better numbers than he did this year

1158
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: and they were absolutely electric, and you can build a

1159
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: passing game around him. It's just you need more than

1160
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: just one guy. You need like Nico needs this year.

1161
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: His guys are hurt. You need to get more guys

1162
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: around him. But Lad McConkey is that good. He's one

1163
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: of the better like rookie receiver seasons we've seen in

1164
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: a while. That the problem is he's surrounded by all

1165
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: these other great rookie receivers.

1166
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 4: That's a tough part, though, is that he did this

1167
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 4: with nobody around him this year, and that's the big

1168
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 4: off season project for the Chargers is getting more playmakers,

1169
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: whether it be a running back, whether it be a

1170
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: tight end, whether it be hopefully at wide receiver. It

1171
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 4: stinks because you're basically riding off the first round pick

1172
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 4: the prior regime used on Quinton Johnson and sort of

1173
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: not relying on him.

1174
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: They tried to make it work this year.

1175
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: He was he was okay, you know, he had some

1176
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: terrible games. That Ravens game I think was really awful.

1177
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: I don't think you want to run it back next

1178
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: year needing Quentin Johnson to be your wide receiver too.

1179
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 4: I think if he's in Nicks, it's fine. But I

1180
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 4: think they so many teams are going to try and

1181
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: get t Higgins, but they need somebody else who could

1182
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: win on the outside. So Talkie can be you know,

1183
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 4: poor man ceed Lamb on the inside.

1184
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: Sure. And but because yeah, that's a fair comparison.

1185
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's obviously not going to be as physical,

1186
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: and maybe it is the size and maybe because he

1187
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: struggled staying healthy at Georgia and it felt like every

1188
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: game he was kind of limping to the sideline this year.

1189
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: But then you look at what he actually just did

1190
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: and I couldn't be more impressed. I would absolutely take

1191
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: him in a redraft over Marvin Harrison Junior, Roma Doonzi.

1192
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: It's not even close because this tape matters more and

1193
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: to me, he showed wide receiver one NFL tape. I

1194
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: would still take Brian Thomas over him, Like I love

1195
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas. My Lak Neighbors is awesome. So whatever you could,

1196
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: you could choose. But like he's He's that's not bad dude.

1197
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 4: Being being right up there with Lak Neighbors and Brian

1198
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: Thomas is not exactly any.

1199
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: Right, And I wouldn't argue, like if you were like this,

1200
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: this guy fits what we want to do. Like he

1201
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: he is absolutely a dude. So is Nico Collins, so

1202
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: is CJ.

1203
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: Stroud.

1204
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope he locks in a little bit.

1205
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: One thing that really struck me was a really key

1206
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: sequence at the end of the first half after the

1207
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: Texans scored their first touchdown. They're hitting all those Nico

1208
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: Collins in breakers. They get one for a touchdown, the

1209
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: Chargers get the ball back. They're trying to The Chargers

1210
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: actually took what I thought was a smart time out

1211
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: late in the in the Texans drive to try to

1212
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: save themselves time and it paid off. They have a

1213
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: decent amount of time, but they go three and out

1214
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: and they give the ball right back to the Texans

1215
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: who get a field goal. That was really keyed by

1216
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: a CJ. Stroud scramble, and that was the first big

1217
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: scramble and he never scrabbles, and Demico Ryans was shown

1218
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: on the sideline at that point yelling, that's.

1219
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: What I'm f and talking about.

1220
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm ef and talking about, and he was

1221
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: so happy that Stroud just finally ran because he's so

1222
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: just loath to run all season. And then the second

1223
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: half after the game, he really ran a lot. The

1224
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: dude can't slide. I don't know what's up with that,

1225
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: but it was a big part of this game, him

1226
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: picking up first downs and then just kind of like

1227
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: falling forward in a way that made him look like

1228
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: he was going to get hurt.

1229
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: Still counts, still counts. So you don't break your ankle sliding.

1230
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: It's good. I mean, that's never going to be the

1231
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: focal point of his game, but it gives you the

1232
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: opposing team something to think about. I guarantee the Chargers

1233
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 4: did not come into this game thinking Okay, we have

1234
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 4: to be prepared for the possibility of spying CJ. Stroud,

1235
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 4: like we can control them in the pocket. We're good.

1236
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 4: That never came up and it absolutely mattered. And now

1237
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 4: whoever they play next week has to be prepared for that.

1238
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: They have to think, okay, like CJ. Stroud's going to

1239
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 4: go if we don't have eyes on him. That's going

1240
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 4: to change the way they rush the passer, are going

1241
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 4: to change the way they play coverage. It opens up

1242
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 4: a lot of things. There's the reason that a lot

1243
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 4: of the best quarterbacks in football are devastating scramblers because

1244
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 4: it is a button you can press that picks up

1245
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: easy yards, helps you convert third and longs, and you know,

1246
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: changes the way people cover you. On defense, What did.

1247
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: What did you think?

1248
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Like?

1249
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: Overall?

1250
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: Does this give you optimism that the Texans offense specifically

1251
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: could play well enough to win another game because the defense,

1252
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: this is one of the best defensive performances you could

1253
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: possibly have to ask this again is too much, but

1254
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: they could. They could be the best defense left in

1255
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs if they just went on a tear.

1256
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting them to be.

1257
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like We've seen that happen a defense

1258
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: gets really hot. Now can the offense do you think

1259
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: play well enough to give them a real chance to

1260
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: beat these better teams.

1261
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: They prove that they could do it for a half

1262
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 4: or for a little over a half of football. They

1263
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 4: were incredible on offense. Outside of the turnovers, which they

1264
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: lost the fumble and they nearly threw an interception to

1265
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: Derwin James. They tried their best. It was more of

1266
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 4: a good play by Derwin James and a throw by CJ. Stroud.

1267
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 4: But this offense has been so inconsistent and so frustrating

1268
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: all season. They've been stuck in third and long so

1269
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: many times, and eventually they're going to hit a couple

1270
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: third and longs, and they did in this game. But

1271
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 4: to me, they were They were so bad ely in

1272
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 4: this game, like they could have thrown a couple interceptions,

1273
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: they lost a fumble, They looked like they weren't on

1274
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 4: the same page. Like Stroud's throws. Nobody was even near

1275
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: them early in this game.

1276
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: He seems as streaky as any quarterback in the league.

1277
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: That he can be in his own head where he

1278
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: just can't think straight and then like something happens, and

1279
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: then he clicks in and he's CJ. Strouded again for

1280
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: the rest of the game or for a couple of quarters,

1281
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: and they have some good drives, but I still have

1282
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: my doubts. I mean, even during that second half run

1283
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: where they were coming back, you know, they had the fumble,

1284
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: they had a second and forty situation which you don't

1285
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: see too oft. They also had a second and one

1286
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: at the four yard line where they ended up settling

1287
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: for a field goal. That was a four play, one

1288
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 2: yard drive where they go backwards. That was like, so

1289
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: even during this run, I don't know, it's hard. It's

1290
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: a little hard for me to see this offense getting

1291
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: it going. But you have a quarterback that you have

1292
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: a chance.

1293
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 4: But I had no faith in them being good on

1294
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: offense heading into the postseason, and now I'm still skeptical.

1295
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: But at least I saw them be good for a half.

1296
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 4: That's a half more than I had seen from them

1297
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 4: for the vast majority of this season against good football teams.

1298
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: And the vibes are good.

1299
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: Let's actually listen just quickly to uh Will Anderson post

1300
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: game with Omar Ruiz.

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Speaker 5: Congratulations Will that one game season continues, yes, sor it does.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, let's go take.

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Speaker 2: I love a little bit of that. I also love

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Speaker 2: the locker room, which we dote have clearance for that.

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: Demico Ryans comes in and one of the first things

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01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: he's as to the team is how about that bye week?

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01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: In reference to Rex Ryan. A lot of the players

1308
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: were talking about some comments that I wasn't even aware

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Speaker 2: of until then that Rex Ryan said it was gonna

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: be until recently, yeah, that that was going to be

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01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: a bye week. But that was that was a rallying

1312
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: cry for this team. The the dismissal from your colleague.

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Speaker 2: I know you can't you can't talk.

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Speaker 4: I would never I would never comment on that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we saw the who was at the Vikings and Lions,

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Speaker 4: the Rams have the the Kevin O'Connell. We're going to

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Speaker 4: see you in you know in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell is the one who said it, what is this?

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Speaker 2: What is this second hand like trashtock that I've never

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: heard of, like secondhand trash like Rex Ryan.

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Speaker 3: I get, it's just like someone from the media. You

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Speaker 3: can yell at the media, people.

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Speaker 2: Do that, but this was Dan Campbell that said see

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Speaker 2: you in two weeks, but somehow that they're they're mad

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Speaker 2: at Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 4: It feels like we're finding very innocuous stuff to push

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Speaker 4: back on or even even coleneral damage, like like you know,

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Speaker 4: I I can ended up as bull to more material

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Speaker 4: for a different team. I trace this back to the

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01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 4: Tom Brady everyone says we suck comment where it turned

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Speaker 4: No one could possibly find anyone saying the Patriots sucked

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Speaker 4: that year, but I'm sure there was like someone on

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Speaker 4: Reddit saying that they sucked and that was enough for

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: Well, they'll have plenty more people to find as doubters

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Speaker 2: going into next week. Before we get out of here,

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Speaker 2: Let's let's at least we'll hear from Justin Herbert. I

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Speaker 2: fear for this tall, handsome man's off season.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's tough. You know, I let the team down

1340
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Speaker 7: and you can't turn over the ball like that and

1341
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Speaker 7: expect to win and put the team into a tough

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01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 7: position there with four turnovers like that. So you know,

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Speaker 7: the defense hung to off. They got some turnovers, they

1344
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 7: gave us opportunities. But I just have to be better. Nope,

1345
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Speaker 7: you know, it's just for me to protect the ball

1346
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Speaker 7: and be better about that you know, it was aggressive

1347
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 7: downfield and you got to do a better job of

1348
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Speaker 7: getting the ball out throwing it away or better ball placement.

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Speaker 4: So that's on me.

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Speaker 2: Some of the numbers just crazy, like over ten yards,

1351
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Speaker 2: six for seventeen against pressure.

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Speaker 3: He started out one for ten, He started.

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Speaker 4: Out one of eleven. The eleventh was the pick six. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, he's a I don't want to be

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 4: part of this justin Herbert culture war. I have felt

1356
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Speaker 4: the same about him for several years. I think he

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01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 4: is very talented. I think the results are not always there.

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Speaker 4: I think he has the ability to be a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He has never had a season as good as many

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Speaker 4: of his peers in that draft class. It's not make

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Speaker 4: him a bad quarterback, but we have been sitting here

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Speaker 4: for many years now waiting for him to have an

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Speaker 4: MVP caliber season and he's never really come close. And

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Speaker 4: that's fine, but I think we have to be realistic

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Speaker 4: about what the guy is versus what I think we

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Speaker 4: want him to be or hoping he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Not herbobeast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Jim Harbaugh initial season for the Chargers

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Speaker 2: somehow ends up feeling a little more similar how a

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Speaker 2: lot of Chargers seasons ended.

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Speaker 4: You take it if you were a Chargers fan this

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Speaker 4: time last we said you're going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they won a couple games at the end

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Speaker 2: of the season. The game against the Broncos was great.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was a step forward. The schedule was easy,

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll get harder. But they definitely took a

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Speaker 2: step forward. They were a disaster last year and so

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Speaker 2: to make the playoffs at all is a big step.

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Speaker 2: But they were road favorites here and they did not

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Speaker 2: get it done. You were one of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: Bill.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on for the first time we've

1383
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: ever done this like a Saturday night playoff recap, and

1384
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Speaker 2: appreciate everyone who came into the chat. A lot of

1385
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: people watching live got to check out the Bill Barnwell podcast.

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Speaker 2: Where else A You're going to be this week around

1387
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Speaker 2: the NFL? I mean around the Horn?

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Speaker 3: Oh there there's a forty in slip.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'll be on around the Horn this week, probably

1390
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 4: talking about Justin Herbert some more, probably Sports Center this weekend.

1391
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 4: We will see plenty of plenty of stuff to discuss here.

1392
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Speaker 2: And in the ESPN plus everyone.

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Speaker 3: Sure, as I say, it's worth it just for Bill.

1394
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: You just it's worth it for Bill and the Australian

1395
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: Open like Court fourteen Ky Query match that I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna watch if he's still playing, although he was down

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01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: two sets when I went into this.

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Speaker 3: Let's get out of here. Thank you, Eric.

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Speaker 2: We will be back on Sunday Night recapping those three games.

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Speaker 2: It will be with Patrick Claybonn, Nick Shook maybe a

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Speaker 2: special guest. Thanks again as always to Will Barnwell. Yes,

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Speaker 2: when the Chargers are charging right out of the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: you know football is back.

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Speaker 3: See a Sunday