1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Ronan, I learned three things this week, patients, perseverance and determination, 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's something that you just have to 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: apply to life, like applying at the fixing cars the 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, when we talk about the quality of a 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: product that's only as good as the engineering that went 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: in it, and how well are they making it. They're 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: being told to make it like this. They make it 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: like that. And the line comes along and say make 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: the next one like this. They make it like that. 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: And that's the way it works. Today. Welcome to the 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: radio home of ron and Anian the Car Doctor, since 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturn to for 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: in the garage orders are open, but I am here 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: to take your calls. At eight and now he is running, 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, I almost through this article out. We were 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: talking about at last our previous show about the cost 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: difference between electric and gas vehicles and how it came 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: down to four cents per mile, And and is that 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: all this is about four cents per mile? I thought 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: it was about clean air. I really thought that was 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: the you know, because I can't come up with another 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: reason why we're leaning or rushing towards, in my opinion, 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: electric vehicles. Uh, you know, I get it. I see 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: that there's going to be, you know, a need for it. 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a need for it now. I think 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: some vehicles should be electric powered. I said that all along. 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: I just don't know if you're ready for electric vehicles 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: for the masses. Um. The article that I'm talking about 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: is up on the Hill dot com, and it's funny. 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Their last line says it all boils down to maintenance, 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: as if there's gonna be maintenance in an electric vehicle, 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: which there won't be. Well, they'll be software updates. And 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, I just somewhere, do you ever feel like 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: you're watching an Indiana Jones movie? Right? And I keep 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: thinking about I keep thinking about Indiana Jones Raiders of 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: the Lost Ark, how the arc got locked away in 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: the government warehouse at the end of the movie and 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: we never quite sure what really happened to it. And 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: it's just something else the government hit from us. And 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, you just wonder, right, is there something about 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: electric cars being hidden from us? Because they've got the 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: technology they're just not telling us yet. I you know, 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: it gets me going on my black helicopter conspiracy stuff. 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: I just wonder because there's gotta be smarter guys than 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: me working on this, and they must know something I 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: don't know because from my seat here at street level, 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: as I like to think of it, you know that 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the way current gas line gasoline cars are not being fixed, 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: the way current gasoline car technology is being not being embraced, 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how you're gonna have enough repair shops 53 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: to fix the electric vehicles. And you know, nobody's talking 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: about the societal impact the you know again, you know, 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: just just add up the numbers, do the math folks 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: think about it. The corner the corner garage is gone 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: and not so much of an inconvenience for you, which 58 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: it will be. There won't be anybody to put air 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: in your tires. Of course, you'll be able to do 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: that at home by then. I guess maybe they'll be 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: self inflating, but there won't be. You know that corner 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: repair shop doesn't buy insurance, lunches, uniforms, tools from the 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: snap on guy software technology. Uh, you know, taxes on 64 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: the building. I mean the whole thing changes. Everything changes. 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: I wish I was a younger man. I want to 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: be around in twenty years to see all this. So 67 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: but in any event, just just that article bugs me. 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: I don't think we're looking at this from a practical point. 69 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: I think if they came out and said, hey, here's 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: what we need to achieve to get this number down 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: in terms of air pollution. All right, I think I've 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: got more people on the bandwagon, you would see a 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: bigger turnout on a more positive embracement of electric vehicles. Look, 74 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: we live in a country with a vaccine, and you know, listen, 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to the black helicopters conspiracy here, but 76 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, sev the population got the vaccine and the 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: other didn't. Um, you know, we're even less accepting of 78 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: electric vehicles and it's just gonna get pushed down our throats. 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: So I don't get it. I don't know where we're going. 80 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: I know where I'm going. I'm going to Chuck in 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Michigan sixty seven Corvette three seven Chuck. Welcome aboard, sir, 82 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hello? Thanks taking my call. You're welcome. UM, 83 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: I have a highly carburetor on this call of that, 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: and the back secondaries leak fuel into the right down 85 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: the It leaks a little bit when it's running, but 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: when you shut it off, it's even worse. That it 87 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: boils over and just drips fuel down the nozzles that 88 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: when you go to start the next time, it's flooded 89 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: hard to start. Right. Okay, you got a wide open 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: throttle and okay, so is this a stock vet any 91 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: modifications that you're aware of? Nope, none, it's original. And 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: uh I rebuilt to carburetor twice and it's still doing 93 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: the same train and it was doing it originally, which 94 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: is the reason why you rebuilt the carburetor. You rebuilt 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the carburettor just for the purpose of rebuilding it. No, 96 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I rebuilt it because it was doing that. It was 97 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: extremely hard to start when it was in the first time. 98 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: In the voting, I started pretty after that. Um, so 99 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you some I'm gonna ask you what 100 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: we'll call them stupid questions. I get to ask stupid questions. 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: All right, chuck, um, you've got you've got the float 102 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: level set correctly in the back. Yeah, you took you 103 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: took the sight. Well, they recommend it when I rebuilt 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: it to make it parallel, right, right, So that's how 105 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: I started out. Okay, and then you've you've adjusted it 106 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: on the car so that while the engines running, you 107 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: take the site plug out of the side fuel whell 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: jetz doesn't. I did that, but it doesn't see in 109 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: the manner where you put the flow the gas leaking 110 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: out the sight. Okay, that's your problem. The fuel levels 111 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: too high. Now you've got to find out why. Listen, 112 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: there's there's only one of a few reasons why fuel 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: will travel down the throat of a carburetor like you're describing. 114 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: Either the idle speed is too high and in the 115 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: case of a secondary, it shouldn't be affecting the secondary, 116 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: right it doesn't. In sixty seven they didn't. They didn't 117 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: have an idle circuit, and in the rear of the 118 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: carb they did later on. Alright, so it can't be 119 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: base idle. I'm assuming base idle is set probably seven 120 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: fifties stick car manual. Okay, yeah, if I remember right, 121 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: I think the spec with seven seven and a quarter. 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Most of them bumped up to seven fifty. But you're 123 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: in the game, um, so let's call it seven let's 124 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: split the difference. Let's say it's idling at seven. That's 125 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: only gonna be on the front primary plates, not the 126 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: set and dairy. So as long as the rear or 127 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: secondary throttle plates aren't open, and you have to look 128 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: at that, take a flashlight, take the CARBA off, take 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: a flashlight, shine it through. You'll see a little bit 130 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: of a slip. But it should be pretty much a 131 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: closed throttle plate. As long as they're closed, you're good. 132 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: There's no there's no booster effect taking causing fuel discharge 133 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: into the secondary like it like, which was what would 134 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: happen if the plate was open. So take that off 135 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: the list. The only other thing left really then is 136 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: the float level is too high. You should be able 137 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to You should be able to make that so no 138 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: fuel dribbles out the side plug. All right, I tried, 139 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah I tried. I mean I turned it almost all 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: the way to the right. Okay, it just doesn't doesn't stop. 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Now have you have you take go ahead. There's corrosion 142 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: where the float not to float. But it's possible, and sure, 143 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: yeah it's possible. It's possible that it's the wrong needle um. 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: It's there's a there's a lot of possibilities, but you've 145 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: got to be able to control the float. If you 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: can't control the float to get it to shut off 147 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: fuel coming in, then that's why it's that's why it's 148 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: dripping over possible fuel pump. Fuel pump doesn't have the 149 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: ability to push it off the seat like that. Fuel 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: pump typically puts out three to five pounds on those 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: cars if it was, if it was high performance, it 152 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: might go up to seven. But the needle and seats 153 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: rated for it. And to that point, if we thought 154 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: it was the fuel pump, how come it's not doing 155 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: it on the primary side, right? You know? Now, if 156 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: you want to try and experiment, all right, I believe 157 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: the needle and seat is the same in the front 158 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: as it is in the back. I want to swamp it. 159 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Why don't you swamp it and see what happens. If 160 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the problem now goes to the front, you know you've 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: got a bad needle or see. Okay, all right, but 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: both both new well and I put new ones when 163 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: I rebuilt it. Yeah, you know what news stands for, 164 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, not if the problem, if the problem stays 165 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: in the rear, then perhaps we've got um you went 166 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: through gaskets very carefully so that you know you've got 167 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: correct gaskets between the metering blocks and the and the 168 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: and the body of the car. Yeah, you know, I 169 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: matched them up with what I had. It's hard to 170 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: get parts for those. Now, you know, I have to 171 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: go has it always done this? Or you've owned the 172 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: car for a while and it just started doing it. 173 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: I had the car for fifty years, okay, and then 174 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: it just started doing it. Okay, So then we know 175 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: you're the only guy to ever really worked on it, 176 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: or you know it was running well and then all 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: of a sudden it wasn't. My point is, it's not 178 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: like somebody could put could have put the wrong gaskets 179 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: in there, and we're trying to match wrong gaskets, you know. Okay, 180 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the problem. Okay, I don't think 181 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: so either from what you're describing. So then I say 182 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: it's it's got to be in the needle and seat. 183 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to adjust that down. You've 184 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: either got the you've either got the needle so far 185 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: down that it's off the adjustment and it's not turning anything. 186 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: You know, do this take the carb apart, Take the 187 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: bowl off, turn it upside down, and and you know, 188 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: put it in a vice. You can hold it so 189 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: it's level. Don't crush it. It's soft material, you know 190 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: that wrap a rag around it. But I want you 191 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: to be able to turn the float adjustment. Does the 192 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: float go up and down? Does it look like a 193 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: corresponds as you turn the jam nut and then turn 194 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: the needle itself. Does that raise the float? Lower the float? 195 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: Does it look like you're making a difference. If not, 196 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: perhaps the problems in the casting of the carburetor, perhaps 197 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: the problems in that needle. Think about how here's what 198 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: I want. Here's what I want you to do. All right. 199 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: You got a toilet in the house, okay? Do you 200 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: ever have it where the toilet just continuously runs? All right? 201 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: And you what do you do? You take the little 202 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: off the tank and you start looking at the float, 203 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: at the at the flap, and you know, all this 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: thing is as a toilet, that's all the carburetor is. 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: It's a toilet with a needle in a seat, that's 206 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: all it is. It's just running water. Taking apart in 207 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: your head and think about how it works and start 208 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: eliminating parts. All right, So if that doesn't, Chuck, If 209 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: if that doesn't work, I'll give you two bucks for 210 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the car. So I don't sane that's but I think 211 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: I'll turn it down. Yeah, I think so too. I 212 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: think you would too. I don't think I'll let you 213 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: do that. So let me know what happens, Chuck. I'm curious. 214 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, You're very you'd be well. You take 215 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: good care, Tom. We almost had a Corvette there. You 216 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: would have looked good in that. So what do you think? 217 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: I know? I would have looked good in that. Yeah, 218 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: I think it looks looked good and good. I look 219 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: good in anything. Come on, well, that's true a big 220 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: strapping guy like you. Let's pull over and take Let's 221 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: pull over and take the pause. I'm running any of 222 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: the car. Doctor Tom Ray and company will both be 223 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: back right after this. Don't go away. He drives that way. 224 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has card 225 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: advice done right eight five five five zero nine nine 226 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: zero zero. Here's Ron o. Hey, let's take a ride 227 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: to Delaware and see how things are going with Frank. Frank, 228 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: is this sixteen Silverado broken again? What's going on here? Yeah, yeah, 229 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: thanks Ron for taking a call up. UM. I found 230 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: out last week that I have the Act of Fuel Management. 231 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even know it had the truck a year 232 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: in the ap UM. What do you think of that? 233 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: I that that's fluttering on D it was only on decelerating, uh, 234 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: not accelerating and you thought that was weird on a 235 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: quick Uh the show had to end. And what do 236 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: you think of this? A f M. What's your opinion 237 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: on I've got the six cylinder, the four point three. 238 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: I think it's another example of them putting something something 239 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: where they're trying to meet an emissions requirement and it's 240 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: something else. Let me let me call it like I 241 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: see it. I think it's something else to break. When 242 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: I bought my nineteen Silverado, I made sure I made 243 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: sure that I purchased it without it. So call it 244 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: what it is. I see. I see. So I understand 245 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Have you worked on I guess you've 246 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: worked on. Yeah, we've seen. We've seen some of them. 247 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: We haven't seen, you know, too many faults. We're doing 248 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: service work on them. Uh. Some of the V eight 249 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: versions of the Active Fuel Management sixteens and seventeens had 250 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: a recall for injectors. They had some issues. They've also 251 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: got some issues with the plastic lifter guide and some 252 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: lifter and camshaft problems. They're starting to see already even 253 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the four threes have that. So you know some of 254 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: that operating characteristic is are you saying that they're thinking 255 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: or you're thinking that what you're experiencing is related to 256 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: active fuel management? The piece that you think is transmission 257 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: related is really a f M pro homes. I think 258 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it's a yeah, I think it can only I mean, 259 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a mechanic, but they they suggest that I 260 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: put a A so they put a damp neuron. Might 261 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: it might be the exhaust system they put a dampener 262 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: in A Yeah, they've done it. They've they've done a 263 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: bunch of things to this we've talked on over the 264 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: past couple of months. Let me ask you this question, 265 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: if they were to they were too If you want 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: to try a science experiment, what if they were to 267 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: put a fault in the system. My understanding is what 268 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: I've always experienced is if they were to put a 269 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: fault in the system, let's say they unplugged one of 270 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: the active fuel management sensors or the solenoids themselves, so 271 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: it can't change into fuel management. And if it ran 272 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: as a V six, the check engine light would come on, 273 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: but it would run as a V six strictly as 274 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: a V six. Does that does that de acceleration flutter 275 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: your experiencing go away? If it does. If it does, 276 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: then at least you know what you're chasing. Yeah, that 277 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: would be the question. I've read a lot of blogs 278 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: where they tune that, uh, change change that to go, 279 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, transition over just to a six cylinder, eliminate 280 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the a f M. It's been running, It's running fine. 281 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: I went up to Wilmington's last weekend, came back. Uh, 282 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's got thirty two tho miles on it. 283 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: I had the sum of the vibration has a little 284 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: bit of it has subsided. But you know, it's just 285 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: a guess. But I just wanted to let you know 286 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: and and uh and talk about it. I understand. I 287 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, the other side of that is um And 288 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that you leave it in in with 289 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: a check engine light on or active fuel management with 290 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: a fault. At least you know, sometimes you know, just 291 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: thinking outside the box. You've got to create a problem, 292 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: so to speak, is does that make your problem go away? Yes? 293 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: It does? Okay, great, it's an active fuel management issue. 294 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: At least you know what you're working for or working against. 295 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: And so now, if you're looking for faults, you're waiting 296 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: for GM to come out with the software update. And 297 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that they're doing this, but you would 298 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: be waiting for them to come out with the bulletin 299 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: of the update that modifies software to change the way 300 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the vehicle operates. That that problem, that flutter goes away, 301 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: or that vibrational field goes away. You can't be the 302 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: only guy experiencing it. However, if running the vehicle in 303 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: V sick mode all the time and you still got 304 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: your vibration, at least you know what it's not right. 305 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: You know it's not related to a f M. That's 306 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: a good suggestion, ron I. I might take them up, 307 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: and when I drive the vehicle more here, I'll look 308 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: out for that and I'll challenge them and see what 309 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: they say and call you back. Yeah, calling me back, 310 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm sure they're don't. Don't take this wrong, Frank, 311 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're tired of seeing you in the vehicle, 312 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: so you know, we're trying to give them an alternative 313 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: to get out from under. And you know, it's it's 314 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: well that you know, if you create a fold code, 315 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: will that put that vehicle into constant V six mode 316 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: all the time? Or it might put it in limp it. 317 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure which way it's gonna go. I haven't 318 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: tried this one yet, but I've always wondered what would happen, So, um, 319 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: give it a shot. See what happens. You know where 320 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: to find me a YouTube? Be well, Frank, you know, 321 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: and and this is the problem with cars, It's it's 322 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: a constant battle all the time, back and forth. You know, 323 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: how do I have to think outside the box to 324 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: get this to operate and do what I wanted to do? 325 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: And you know, part of the innovation in the automobile 326 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: industry is um when when when as a mechanic you 327 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: have to think outside the guidelines of what the manufacturers 328 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: are are asking for in a sense, And I guess 329 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: maybe that's what electric vehicles fire up in me, because 330 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: it seems like the electric vehicle manufacturers are going to 331 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: try and take over the marketplace and you know we're 332 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna do this, We're gonna do that, and you've got 333 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: no choice, You've got no say in the matter. And 334 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, is it gonna be too late? I really wonder, 335 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: you know, I really wonder what's gonna happen to the 336 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: guy that owns that gasoline powered muscle car from the 337 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: sixties and the seventies when he can't get gasoline for 338 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: it anymore? A million dollar car, what's it gonna be worth? 339 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: A buck three eight? A lot to ponder. I'm runing 340 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: any in the car doctor. I'll be back to continue 341 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back the car doctor. 342 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Steven, New Hampshire. Oh for Tahoe? Steve, 343 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: what's going on? How can I help? Not too much? 344 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: Run happy independent state of you and everybody in America? 345 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, brother? What's going on? Not too much? Oh 346 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: four Chevy Tahoe's um. I have an unexpected intermittent um 347 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: A B S engagement at random grow speeds under ten miles. Yes, No, 348 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: A B S light UM comes on. I have not 349 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: been able to pull our check for codes yet. I'm 350 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna bet and say you probably won't see fault codes 351 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: you may, but don't be don't be surprised if you 352 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: don't you ever thing about how a b S works. Stevie, Like, 353 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: what what makes it? I actually have? Yeah? So what 354 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: do you think we wrong with this truck? Just out 355 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: of curiosity? The front wheel sensors the I replaced the 356 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: hubs UM with an aftermarkets that I unfortunately didn't use, 357 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: timpkins UM. I'm thinking that I went out on a 358 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: limb to save some money, and the wheel speed sensors 359 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: that screw into that hub assembly could be bad, or 360 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: there could be corrosion or why over in there? That's 361 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. What kind of scan? 362 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: What kind of scan tool do you know? Actually it's 363 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good one. I forget the name of it, um, 364 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: but I do have a good one. Okay, if if 365 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: you've got something, you know it's funny. Just the other 366 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: day I was using my launch throttle and one of 367 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: the things I like about the launch is it gives 368 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: me the ability to graph four censers at a fairly 369 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: decent rate of information speed and just putting those four up. 370 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: I was doing something similar on an KNOW five Tahoe 371 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: that I could actually see the left front dropout or 372 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: the signal change. And now normally we've got to use 373 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: a lap scope for accurate a BS censor diagnosis. But 374 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you're in a hurry in the shop and you 375 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: know you're trying to, you know, get to the source 376 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: problem as fast as you can. And I glanced up 377 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: and there was my launch and I said, okay, it 378 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: must be a sign from the big guy above. I'll 379 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: use that. Uh um, you know, and I was able 380 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: to see it. If your scan tool will allow you 381 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: to graph graph the four censors go down the road 382 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: in a straight line. As you slow down, which one 383 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: stands out? Which one of the front sensors stands out? 384 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: And you know, attack it that way. Now that being said, 385 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: all right, you know what I always try to encourage 386 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: people to do. You know, it's it's a funny world. 387 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: If I'm doing a left front, if I'm doing both 388 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: wheel bearings, obviously I want to do both together. If 389 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing a left front and the vehicle's got a 390 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand miles on it, you know, I 391 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: have that I have that conversation with with the customer 392 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: would be like Stevie vehicle's fifteen years old, has got 393 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: a hundred sixty thousand miles on it, don't we want 394 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: to use two of Brand X bearings now and get 395 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: this over with there that I have to go through 396 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: a diagnosis in five months and and revisit this, and 397 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, you know it's it's I always remember, I'll 398 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: never forget the time we put We actually did one 399 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: wheel bearing in computer Jimmy Shelby Jimmy's uh oh one 400 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln ls UM and we couldn't figure out we created 401 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: a problem. The vehicle, I mean, that vehicle was in. 402 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: That vehicle was upset, to say the least. That vehicle 403 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: was in a revolution. Every time you'd slowed down, the 404 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: wheel would either lock up or freewheel, or the A 405 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: B S would come on. And finally I said, unplugged 406 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: the censor. We unplugged the censor, the A B S 407 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: L came out in the vehicle operated normally. And we 408 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: had purchased a Ford. We had purchased a Ford bearing 409 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: right from Ford. So we we did we did some 410 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: research and we found out that Ford had changed the 411 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: design of the censor and the bearing the signal and 412 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: they wanted you to change the two bearings in in pairs. 413 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: They wanted you to change it in pairs on that 414 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: particular year, that particular model, and you know it just 415 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: it just made the argument sometimes manufacturers do running changes. 416 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying every car, every vehicle, but it's just 417 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: something to keep in the back of the mind. You 418 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: have a question, sure, Uh, I didn't not making trips 419 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: up to Lineman, Maine at highway speed. I am going 420 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: to address this probably next weekend, but in the interim, Uh, 421 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: do I run the risk? Uh? With this whole A 422 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: B S set up? Will at highway speed? Will that 423 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: will A B S engage and lock up? Do I 424 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: want the risk of having that lock up at highway speed? 425 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: If it dangerous, I've never I've never seen it, Stevie. 426 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: If it's making you uncomfortable, all right, If it's making 427 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, although it reduces your safety because A B 428 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: S won't work, But you know, here's the tradeoff, does it? 429 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: You know? Is this worth doing? Unplugged one of the 430 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: A B S sensors disconnected on the inside of the Fenderwell, 431 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: all right, the light will come on, it'll set a 432 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: code and the problem will go away. The problem should 433 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: go away, all right, because it's going to see as 434 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: a fault. It's going to see that it's no longer 435 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: reading proper signal, and the A B S will no 436 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: longer operate. The obvious danger is. The obvious danger is 437 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: if you need an A BS to happen, it's it's 438 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: not gonna work, right. So I say that as a 439 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: precautionary stop gap measure. My answer is, listen, I grew 440 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: up on non A B S vehicles. I think I 441 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of know how to drive, even though I don't 442 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: want to say that's a blanket statement all the time. 443 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: I do like A B S. But if I'm in 444 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: a jam where I've got a vehicle that's a little 445 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: squirrely down low, because my danger is in my mind, 446 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: the danger is you're in traffic trying to get to 447 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: Maine and you're creeping along at six seven miles an 448 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: hour and the guy in front of you stop short. 449 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: If you have that, if you have that non A 450 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: B S A B S event, and the pedal drops 451 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: away and all of a sudden you can't stop. Now 452 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: you hit the guy. I don't know which is I 453 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: don't know which is the bigger trade off, so I 454 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: say that as a temporary measure. Don't leave the vehicle 455 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: like that, all right? Sure do you? Uh? I can't 456 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: believe how much uh price drop Timptin hubs with the 457 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: whole bearing assembly has come down through the years. That's 458 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna go at this time. Would you recommend 459 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: U Timpkin of the move or are they about the same? 460 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: They're about the same Tempkin move. You know, you may 461 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: want to you may want to price shop at you know, 462 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: you're you're up in New Hampshire. Go out to o'rileyoto 463 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: dot com and see what they've got and they'll ship 464 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: it right to your door. And if I'm not mistaken, 465 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: the last time I looked anything over thirty five bucks, 466 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: O'Riley oto parcels ship for free. So it'll show up. 467 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: It'll show up in a couple of days and uh, 468 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they've got it all. You know, if 469 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: if you're looking for something and you want to do 470 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: it online and you don't have a local store by you, 471 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: O'Reilly ooto dot com is the place to be, all right, kiddo, 472 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Good luck, ont have a good fourth 473 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm running any of the car doctor. Let's pull over 474 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and take a pause for the cause we'll be back 475 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away. Yeah, welcome back. Wanting 476 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: any of the car doctor cruising along this hour. Let's 477 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: get over to Mike in Michigan with going on with 478 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: the SOHO six trail blazer. Mike, what kind of problems 479 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: you got? I'm at your servicer. Hey, Ron, thanks for 480 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: taking calls on a holiday weekend. I know't you're dedicated. 481 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: We have a two thousand six trailblazer. It's got two 482 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand miles on it, and last week 483 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: the battery stop charging. We had the battery lights come 484 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: on and then also in the driver information center it 485 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: said battery not charging. So my first thought went to 486 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the alternator. We took the alternator out, took it to 487 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: our local O'Reilly's. They tested it three times, and all 488 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: three times in a role it tested good. Um, so 489 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: I was kind of heartbroken. At that point, I thought 490 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: we might have an easy fix. Um, we do have 491 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: twelve volts to the main lug going to the alternator 492 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: from the battery. So I'm guessing this accusable link or 493 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: if there is a fews in that line is Okay, 494 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: So I'm I guess I'm at a loss. I I 495 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: read on the internet that the alternator needs a charge 496 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: signal in order to put out power, and it could 497 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: be a problem with the PCM. But I guess I'd 498 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: like any opinion you have on that. Okay, do you 499 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: have a voltmeter? Do you want a d M? Okay? So, 500 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: the small red wire at the alternator, all right, there's 501 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: a small red wire at the alternator the yes, the 502 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: harness that plumped into it, not the main brain red wire, right, correct, 503 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: all right? With the engine running, that small red wire 504 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: should have five to twelve volts, all right. If that's zero, 505 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: all right, disconnect the alternator and watch the voltage. So 506 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: in other words, in other words, you've you've got, you've 507 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: got zero vaults. Unplugged the alternator and continue to monitor 508 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: the voltage on that small red wire. If the voltage 509 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: goes up into the five to twelve vault range, make 510 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: sure the alternator's got a good ground and you've got 511 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: twelve volts of the heavy red wire, which you're which 512 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: you already said you did. Yes, with the engine off, 513 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: of course, and the alternator completely out of the car, 514 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: with the battery hooked up. We have twelve volts to 515 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the big red wire. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna 516 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: do this with the you know, engine running in the car, 517 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: all right. If the voltage unplugged on that small red 518 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: wire all of a sudden jumps up into the five 519 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: to twelve voult range and you've got a good ground 520 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: to the alternator. Case, so you also want to check 521 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: negative battery cable. Make sure you've got good clean connection 522 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: and grounds at both ends. That's usually the sign that 523 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: the alternator itself is defective. The key is, the key 524 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: is having voltage on that red wire. If you've got 525 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: voltage on that red wire. Now, if I'm plugging it 526 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: and you still don't have voltage on that wire, then 527 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: you've got a problem that's gonna lead you back to 528 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: the PCM. Not common does happen, you know? Are you 529 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: are you parked out in the suburbs? I mean, could 530 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: we have animal intrusion anywhere in this vehicle? Something chew 531 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: through the wiring harness? Well, we're in the country, but 532 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. This vehica has been so well maintained. 533 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't We don't have really any mice. I mean 534 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: there's been no evidence of any kind of room in 535 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: the car under the hood or anywhere else. So you're 536 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: saying to with the engine running and this the harness 537 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: plugged into the alternator, maybe cut back a little bit 538 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: of the the insulation on that red wire instead of 539 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: cutting back um uh do you so you ever see 540 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: a tea pin? Do you know what a tea pin is? 541 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: You'll find him in a sewing shop. It's a little 542 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: it's a little metal pin with it. It's got a 543 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: tea on the top. If um, you know wife, girlfriends, 544 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: significant other, if she shows, they've always got it in 545 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: the sewing kit. All right, it's it's a tea pin 546 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: used to stitch, right, yeah, a teapin. Alright, just just 547 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: use the tea pin. It makes a great do it 548 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: yourself back probe alright, find the wire you want to pierce, 549 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: and just you know, pierce the wire nice and easy, 550 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: and then take your alligator clip. And obviously you're gonna 551 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: be careful that nothing grounds, because we're we're leaving exposed voltage, 552 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, sticking straight up in the air. We don't 553 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: want to rub against body, ground or anything and create 554 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: a whole another problem. All right, and just tap into that. 555 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: All right. Now, The reason I like that versus the 556 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: probe on the meter is you'll see that the diameter 557 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: of the probe is generally smaller than the diameter of 558 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: the electrical meter probe, and it's easier to hook the 559 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: wire to that, secure it to that, start the vehicle 560 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: and stand there and look at your readings and trying 561 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: to hold it on the wire and make sure you've 562 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: got a good connection and start the vehicle at the 563 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: same time. It's a little difficult working by yourself. Okay, yeah, 564 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. Are you suggesting then that perhaps 565 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: this alternator could still be bad even with the Oriley 566 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: autoparts set? Yep, yeah, it's you know, listen, nothing against 567 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: Oriley outoparts. You know, I think the world of them, 568 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced that every test is accurate out 569 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. I want to check it in the environment. 570 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I'll do that, and just one more 571 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: real quick if you have them a second time. If 572 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: if we do need a PCM, which you say is rare, 573 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: and I hope we don't. Um. I see on the 574 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: internet you can send certain companies of vin number and 575 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: they can send you a preprogrammed PCM for fairly cheap. 576 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: Is that is that an okay way to go? Or 577 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: that it's it's done all it's done all day long. 578 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: The only cautionary tale I would tell you is je 579 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: be aware, all right, you know, read the reviews for 580 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: everybody that they've got for some of these companies, some 581 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: of these companies that your horror shows their fronts. You know, 582 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: the beautification of the website doesn't necessarily indicate the quality 583 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: of the of the of the product they're putting out. 584 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: But I've seen some horror stories where absolute junk is 585 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: going out via the mail. Now, you know, if you've 586 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: got a local shop and they can flash it in 587 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: house and it's a couple of extra bucks, you know, 588 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: flashing is something that maybe you want the shop to do. 589 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: At least you've got a course of action in the 590 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: event that there's a problem, and just just just just 591 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: be mindful of that. And then last thing before your run, 592 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: when you take that t pin out of the harness, 593 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: clear clear nail polish. Just put a drop of clear 594 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: nail polish on the harness where you made the whole 595 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: and it insulates it perfect. You want to you want 596 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: to put some kind of insulating material in there so 597 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: that you don't allow moisture to get in that it 598 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: will corrode the harness. Later on on the line, all right, okay, hey, 599 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: great information. I appreciate your time. You're very welcome. Mike. 600 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: You let me know what happens. I'm here for you, 601 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: all right, sir, Take good care, have a good fourth. 602 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm run any in the car doctor, we are back 603 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: right after this. He's gone, probably me, Ron and Ainty 604 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: in the car doctor. How are you today? Tom? We 605 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't talk, you know, we haven't talked all day today, 606 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: the whole show, just briefly. Yeah. Um, how did I do? 607 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Was it? Was? I? Okay? Today? You were fine? Yeah? 608 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: I UM. I wanted to tell the listeners. You know, 609 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: it's so exciting. What is Ron Reidon is off time? 610 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, my leisure time, and I don't. I don't 611 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: get much of it. Yesterday, by the way, yesterday was 612 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: first Friday, so I was off. Can you actually talk 613 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: about that on the air? Yeah, I ken, It's it's 614 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: legal in most states. Um, but yesterday was first Friday 615 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: of the month, and we we closed the shop on 616 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: the first Friday, so Ron gets some mental health time, 617 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: and I actually scared my family. I disappeared for three 618 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: and a half hours yesterday afternoon because I took a 619 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: nap and nobody knew where I was. In the last 620 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: place they would think the look is laying down upstairs, 621 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, closing my eyes and sleeping. So you say 622 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: they all went out and partied, Well, they were just 623 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: wondering where I was. They were about ready to report 624 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: me missing. I walked downstairs at six thirties. Dinner was 625 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: on the stove, and I was like wow, and they're like, wow, 626 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: where were you. I was taking a nap. Nobody could 627 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: believe it. Haven't taken a nap in forty years. But 628 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: in any event, when I fell asleep in bed reading 629 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: this an introduction to o b D two and it's 630 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: kind of exciting stuff. And it talks about o b 631 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: D two emissions and where it comes from and system 632 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: monitors and how they work. Um, it's something I stumbled 633 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: across and all data I didn't realize. Now, I know 634 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: all that has a lot of information specific to the vehicle. 635 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: But you can if you've and I guess you've got 636 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: to have an active subscription, you know, out at all 637 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: Data dot com or go look at All Data and 638 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: see where they'll allow you to read this. But it's 639 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: nine pages of the most comprehensive information about O B 640 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: D two, how it works, what monitors are, very simplistic 641 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: explanation of the code criteria. You know, where where the 642 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: codes come from, what what different systems, the things you 643 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 1: hear me talking about on the show. All that has 644 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: God had broken down into a very simple day to 645 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: day language. I'm actually gonna make a note and send 646 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: an email to my people at All Data that I 647 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: speak with and see if they'll let me post this. Um. 648 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is copyrighted material. I don't 649 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: want to do it without asking, but see if I 650 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: can post this up on Car Doctor Show dot com 651 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: because I think it would be great for the listeners 652 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: to be able to read, to access just basic simplistic 653 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: understanding of how things operate, because for some of the 654 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: mechanics um that we're seeing out in the field today, 655 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: because I think they need to have a good simplistic 656 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: understanding of the automobile and how it works. You know, 657 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: Unfortunately there's math involved in order to repair I always 658 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: think of that movie Hidden Figures, All right. Everybody see 659 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: hidden figures about the three women to become the aerospace 660 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: engineers during the sixties that help God us out into space. 661 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: And one of them stands up and she says, you know, 662 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: math doesn't lie. She's trying to figure out how to 663 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: get John Glenn into orbit and she says, math doesn't lie. 664 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: And I always think about that line. You know, you 665 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: can b as your way through or to repair all 666 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: day long, but sooner or later the numbers have to 667 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: add up. Numbers don't lie. O B D two doesn't lie. 668 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: If you understand the basics, you can fix anything. Until 669 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: the next time I'm on an any in the car 670 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: doctor reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See 671 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: you