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Speaker 2: and our a list of guests continues here. Kyle Krabs

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Speaker 2: locked on NFL scouting joining us. Kyle, thanks for taking

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Speaker 2: the time. How's it going so far this week?

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Speaker 3: It's good. Getting the feet wet. Yeah, I flew out

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Speaker 3: early with the winter storm that came through, so I

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Speaker 3: was getting cabin fever, just like ready for something to happen.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and then here we are, so we're good. Where's home Philadelphia?

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Speaker 1: Oh, wrong side of the state, but we'll let's slide.

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Speaker 3: Berks County originally Penn State grad.

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Speaker 1: So okay, as long as you're not a Flyers fan,

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Speaker 1: will be all right, no, sir? Oh good, Yeah, we're cool.

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Speaker 3: I did I actually do one semester at iup?

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Speaker 4: So I did you?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So Western PA Education is where fine institution. Love it.

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Speaker 1: We had day on BEFO. I'm probably gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same questions, a lot of it's

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Speaker 1: going to center around wide receivers. Steelers are very needy

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Speaker 1: quarterback aside. I want to get to that. Are you

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Speaker 1: comfortable with twenty one with these receiver situations? But it

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Speaker 1: seems like day two is really flush with them as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the seven on seven culture of like

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Speaker 3: young kids coming up through the game now, right, is

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Speaker 3: they get all this time on task and if you're

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Speaker 3: below North Carolina, you're outside year round doing seven on

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Speaker 3: seven stuff. So I think the byproduct of that is

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Speaker 3: you see these draft classes of wide receivers on an

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Speaker 3: annual basis where it's just deep, and I think this

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Speaker 3: year is another year that's like that. I think the

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Speaker 3: nice thing with Pittsburgh for where they're picking in the

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Speaker 3: first round is I'd be comfortable with any of the

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Speaker 3: wide receivers in this class. I don't know which ones

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Speaker 3: we'll make it down to twenty one. Yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 3: if you told me any of the perceived top three

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Speaker 3: guys with Jordan Tyson and Makay Lemon and Carnel Taate,

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Speaker 3: you told me any one of those guys was there,

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Speaker 3: I think it's crazy. What's a great value at twenty one?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: I think you get past that.

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Speaker 1: Point, I said, what about like Boston? Twenty one?

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little early, but like I like Denzel Boston.

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Speaker 3: I think he can be like a nice X receiver

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Speaker 3: for somebody, And I love the physicality and the way

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Speaker 3: he tacks a ball in the air. So do you

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Speaker 3: want to play with twenty one? Can you get a

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Speaker 3: trade partner if you want to pick for need? And

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Speaker 3: that's always kind of slippery slope. So if you get

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Speaker 3: a no brainer in a noose spot, yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: you can come back in the second round. Pittsburgh obviously

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Speaker 3: has a bunch of top one hand picks this year,

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Speaker 3: five in the top one hundred. Yes, they've got that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: three coming for Dan Moore, and they're they're well suited

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Speaker 3: to to find value in one of those spots. Do

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Speaker 3: you have any day too favorite wide receivers? Man, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if he's gonna stay on day two, but

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Speaker 3: Armar Cooper from.

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Speaker 4: Indiana is a lot of steam right now.

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Speaker 3: Yes he does. And you know it was who was

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Speaker 3: faster Jarvis Landry comparison, and I see the way that

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Speaker 4: There soot and dirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And just like his his the way that

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Speaker 3: he moves, he's he's fluid like Jarvis, and he's got

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Speaker 3: good contact balance and he's a tough, tough player. I

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Speaker 3: think he's somebody that could really get a lot of

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Speaker 3: Sarrat was the contested catch and back shoulder guy and

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Speaker 3: be With how NFL offenses move their receivers around now,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit less tight for a slot

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Speaker 3: interchangeability there. I think he could be a volume receiver

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems like I hate the term safe pick,

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Speaker 1: but it just seems like he translates quickly to the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think about Pittsburgh and kind of the

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Speaker 1: So I don't think this applies to the Steelers, but

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Speaker 3: Where at running back, it's it's obviously Jeremiah Love and

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Speaker 3: and I like the way that he runs. I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good receiver. He's a good athlete. You

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Speaker 3: at tight end it's it's a really intriguing class. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: I know he's got some off the field stuff, but

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Speaker 2: just an absolutely dynamic, dynamic athlete. Let's talk some cornerbacks

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Speaker 2: with you here as well, too, some again interesting profiles

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Speaker 2: and types. You've got someone like McCoy who was so

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Speaker 3: does positional value drive any or dispositional scarcity I should

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Speaker 3: say drive any other. It's a team not confident that

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Speaker 3: I think I like mansword the lane a little more

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Speaker 3: I think he's a really clean player for run support

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Speaker 3: I think Jermal McCoy has that like raw physical ability,

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Speaker 3: But I think the lane is the one that I

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Speaker 3: this whole process is about, right, is identifying risks and

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Speaker 3: and what breaks those ties if guys are in the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we just had Dan Brugler on too, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's probably close to a dozen in

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Speaker 3: reminded me of Tyreek Stevenson out of University of Miami

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Speaker 3: His physical profile, his combativeness, the way that disrupts he

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Speaker 3: disrupts routes, I could very easily see him going in

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Speaker 3: like late round two, early round three.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: A couple more minutes here with Kyle krab locked on

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Speaker 2: NFL scouting defensive tackle position that we're kind of keeping

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Speaker 2: an eye on. The Steelers did go there with their

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Speaker 2: saw them not too long ago go back to back

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Speaker 2: offensive tackles. I think it's certainly a possibility this year,

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Speaker 2: particularly with this group, because there's not the It doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel that there's certainly not the Mason Graham or you know,

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Speaker 2: around that range. Harmon was the fourth defensive tackle off

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Speaker 2: the board last year. Could the Steelers have their choice

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Speaker 2: of DT one at pick twenty one? Woods, you know,

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Speaker 2: Lee Hunter, Caleb Banks. Do you think we could really

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Speaker 2: see the first twenty picks go by without one of

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Speaker 3: I think I'd be surprised if any of them did

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Speaker 3: I know Peter Woods has such a nice foundation of skills.

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Speaker 4: To work with, and I know he's just shine here, right.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine so. And I know he looked like

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Speaker 3: A really weird It's like that in Penn State. You know,

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Speaker 3: But Christian was really good with the block deconstruction stuff,

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Speaker 3: And you know, teams are I'm sure looking to compartmentalize

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Speaker 3: I would be surprised if they move Wattle from everything

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Speaker 4: I think it would take.

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Speaker 3: fine balance for Minco with Miami. He didn't want to

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Speaker 3: They play a lot of people do that in the

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Speaker 3: But if you want somebody who can tackle, can play

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Speaker 1: There's a couple dolphins on my eye on for the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't think he's back in Miami. I

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Speaker 3: either going to designate him as a post June first

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Speaker 3: I could see them potentially holding him on the roster

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Speaker 1: You don't think it could be like an Austweiler deal

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Speaker 3: I'd be surprise just because John eRx Sulvan's talked about

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Speaker 1: That's more important.

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Speaker 3: He's already talked about they need to get two or

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Speaker 4: Picks, so he's not selling it.

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Speaker 3: I would be stunned if they sent a premium pick

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Speaker 1: But would make it cost four We can talk about that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna make him enough or he can't refuse.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you drop a Godfather reference. That's right in

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Speaker 2: our wheelhouse. We love it. Great stuff. Kyle Krabs locked

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Speaker 2: on NFL Scouting. Make sure you're checking out all his

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Speaker 2: work there. Thanks for taking the time in a busy week,

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Speaker 2: of course, great chat.

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