Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to
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Speaker 1: week's guest Scott Vincent, been playing the last two years
Speaker 1: on Live and I think it's one of the kind
Speaker 1: of cool, feel good stories. Here's a guy that was
Speaker 1: playing the Japan Tour, had status in Asia, won a tournament,
Speaker 1: got into the first live event in London last year,
Speaker 1: and I spent the last two years playing his golf
Speaker 1: on Live. But I think there's been so many stories
Speaker 1: and so much stuff written about money and excess and
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. But I think Scott's story is
Speaker 1: one of the stories that doesn't get talked about. A
Speaker 1: lot didn't have big time status and wanted to try
Speaker 1: and use live as an opportunity to play in better
Speaker 1: tournaments and play against some of the best players in
Speaker 1: the world. And that's what he's done. He had a
Speaker 1: breakout year this year. He'll be playing on Live next year.
Speaker 1: So he has a very unique story on how he
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Speaker 1: to a really really cool interview with Scott Vincent. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it and I think you will too. Scott,
Speaker 1: let me see if I've got this straight. Born in Zimbabwe,
Speaker 1: live in Colorado. Up until two years ago, you're playing
Speaker 1: on the Japan Tour. There are strange journeys that people
Speaker 1: get on to play this game, but competitively. And you
Speaker 1: played golf, U College, Golf, Virginia Tech. So you've been
Speaker 1: kind of all over the place, spend some time on
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. In the last two years you've spent
Speaker 1: on Live but the journey to get to where you
Speaker 1: are now Zimbabwe believe it or not. A rich history
Speaker 1: of Nicky Price, one of the greats of professional golf.
Speaker 1: How did you get out of Zimbabwe and first of
Speaker 1: all get to Virginia Tech. We got to start there.
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, I mean Nick Price had a huge influence
Speaker 3: in Zimbabwe golf and I was part of his academy
Speaker 3: growing up and that that played a huge part in
Speaker 3: my development coming through. Amazing coach called Roger Bayless who
Speaker 3: helped get us all started, and just one of those
Speaker 3: guys that did it for the love of the game.
Speaker 3: He didn't care that he made nothing from it. He
Speaker 3: was just happy to pour into and yeah, help help
Speaker 3: get all the fundamentals right, help help develop us young
Speaker 3: kids coming through, and just anyone that had a passion
Speaker 3: and was willing to work, he was happy to give
Speaker 3: the time. So a huge I give a lot of
Speaker 3: credit for him and getting my career going.
Speaker 4: From there.
Speaker 3: There was a connection with Virginia Tech, so I was
Speaker 3: probably the fifth Zimbabwan to go there. Brendan Deong is
Speaker 3: one of the better known guys that went there, but
Speaker 3: the McDonald brothers myself, Sean Farrell was another one. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Brendan's obviously the top guy that made it from Virginia
Speaker 3: Tech onto the PGA and had an amazing career, And
Speaker 3: so that was kind of the connection. But how I
Speaker 3: got scouted was through the Orange Bowl that happens every
Speaker 3: year in December, Okay, just a great spot for international
Speaker 3: kids to come and play and get some exposure and
Speaker 3: see college coaches come down and have a look. And
Speaker 3: so that's where the coach saw me and obviously like
Speaker 3: what he saw and wanted me to come out.
Speaker 1: Was it a big, big move to come from Zim
Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech, Because I mean that is a law.
Speaker 1: I mean, South Africa's a long way away. Zimbabwe's can
Speaker 1: almost seem like it's even further away. Was there a
Speaker 1: little culture shock when you got to play college golf?
Speaker 1: You're playing Division one, You're playing in a big program.
Speaker 1: You know, Virginia Tech has a massive athletic program as well.
Speaker 1: Did it take you a while to get adjusted?
Speaker 4: It was a huge shift.
Speaker 3: The culture of the food, the people, just how they
Speaker 3: studied as well. Like I never had a computer growing up,
Speaker 3: so everything's done on a computer. So I got my
Speaker 3: first computer, had to learn how to type, spent the
Speaker 3: first year basically just trying to figure out how to
Speaker 3: use this thing. And then yeah, I mean, I mean
Speaker 3: college was amazing. Like like you said, Virginia Tech has
Speaker 3: a huge athletic program, and obviously golf has been fairly
Speaker 3: successful too, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was incredible.
Speaker 3: I loved I loved every moment that I had at
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. And funny story because it ties in with
Speaker 3: liv golf, is my very first college tournament was at
Speaker 3: rich Harvest Farms.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that lives played the last two years.
Speaker 3: Played there the last two years, and obviously coming from
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe where the courses are very different to playing this course,
Speaker 3: which is a really strong, big golf course that can
Speaker 3: host a major, you know. Essentially, I remember coming off
Speaker 3: of that tournament calling my dad and saying, I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm good enough to play college golf.
Speaker 4: Maybe I should come home.
Speaker 1: Maybe because of the golf, Because of.
Speaker 4: The golf course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just so big, and I hadn't played
Speaker 3: a golf course like that where you're not hitting wedge
Speaker 3: into every single hole. It's like now you're hitting four, five,
Speaker 3: six signs or woods into holes. And it was just
Speaker 3: something that I and even now as a professional, you
Speaker 3: play that course and you have a better respect for
Speaker 3: it because of how tough it cam play. So funny
Speaker 3: that then we go back and play it as a
Speaker 3: live player now and okay, it feels a little bit
Speaker 3: different because you've gotten used to the style and your
Speaker 3: prep works different. Maybe you developed a bit more as
Speaker 3: a player, and yeah, it's just kind of done a
Speaker 3: full circle, which is quite funny.
Speaker 1: So you turn prone twenty fifteen. Did you go to
Speaker 1: Q school and the usual routes that everybody tries to
Speaker 1: take you try and go, you try to get on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. If you don't get on PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: you're trying to get on corn Fair, corn Ferry, go
Speaker 1: to Europe Asia. What was which qualifiers and qualifying schools
Speaker 1: did you go to?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so first off, I wanted to do the typical route,
Speaker 3: go through corn Ferry, went to Q School, got through
Speaker 3: I think pre quality, then didn't get through first and
Speaker 3: so it's like now what? And so I was playing
Speaker 3: a bit of mini tour stuff and picked up very
Speaker 3: quickly that this is not what I wanted to do
Speaker 3: and just or not play on mini tours. I needed
Speaker 3: to play a full season somewhere and just by chance,
Speaker 3: a buddy reached out to me and said, hey, we're
Speaker 3: going to do Asian Tour Q School, you should consider it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, nah, I want to be in America.
Speaker 3: You know, I've spent time in America. That's where the
Speaker 3: best are. I want to be out here. I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I've got nothing else to do in January. Let me
Speaker 3: go and give it a shot. Go win first stays
Speaker 3: and finished fourth in the final stage of Q School.
Speaker 3: Full talk art now and playing out there. Amazing players,
Speaker 3: huge culture change as well, out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1: And very different. I mean Asia. I think out of
Speaker 1: all of the tours, scott probably has the most diverse
Speaker 1: types of golf courses, types of grass, types of conditions
Speaker 1: that you're com playing. I mean to me, the knock
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour and the corn Firy Tour has
Speaker 1: always been but I think the golf is very similar. Right,
Speaker 1: You're always going to play in pretty good conditions, You're
Speaker 1: always going to play in pretty good weather. And back
Speaker 1: in the day when I when I started playing, you know,
Speaker 1: started working and working with players. I went to work
Speaker 1: on the European Tour and Trevor Immlman was, Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: had him on the podcast. He's one of my good friends.
Speaker 1: Trevor was the first person I work but back then
Speaker 1: it was Trevor Adam Scott, Sergio Garcia, Ian Poulter was
Speaker 1: they were choosing Europe as a way to kind of
Speaker 1: cut their teeth, and I thought the same thing again, Europe,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to learn how to travel, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to learn a lot of different golf courses, different
Speaker 1: weather conditions. But Asia is a completely different kind of
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother. Like you said, the culture shock
Speaker 1: of the travel, the culture shock of the food there is.
Speaker 1: There is so much more I think to being a
Speaker 1: competitive professional golfer and making it then what people think
Speaker 1: it is. And I think one of the great things
Speaker 1: about going and playing time. I mean, Brooks kept a
Speaker 1: Brooks played in Europe. He didn't take the traditional route,
Speaker 1: he missed in the US, didn't get his US card,
Speaker 1: missed European Tour school, and then got onto the Challenge Tour.
Speaker 1: What do you feel like those type of experiences did
Speaker 1: for you and how have they helped your development not
Speaker 1: only as a player, Scott, but as a person as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has a huge impact. It just
Speaker 3: it opens your mind up and you play against different
Speaker 3: people with different styles, and like you said, the foods
Speaker 3: and stuff are just nothing that we're used to in America.
Speaker 3: And to be honest, like I love it, I miss
Speaker 3: it at times. The camaraderie of the tour. It's one
Speaker 3: of the friendliest tours I've played on. But like you said,
Speaker 3: you know, you're playing on golf courses where you have
Speaker 3: no idea what you're going to. It could be perfectly
Speaker 3: fine in pristine, amazing or one of the words golf
Speaker 3: courses you are gone to. But regardless of that, it
Speaker 3: was you know, I'm here for a reason. I've got
Speaker 3: to figure that out. I've got to come play my best,
Speaker 3: give my best effort and learn something and try and
Speaker 3: put a good result in And so that that was
Speaker 3: the cool part of that is that we all did
Speaker 3: that together. We all kind of jumped on similar flights
Speaker 3: off we went, stayed in random places who knows where,
Speaker 3: and just got on with it. There wasn't much to
Speaker 3: complain about it. We just we just kind of plodded along.
Speaker 3: That's we were all on the same boat, which was cool,
Speaker 3: you know, there weren't these big names or little names.
Speaker 3: It was we were all doing the same thing. And
Speaker 3: yeah that what that does is it just develops you
Speaker 3: as a person as a player. You learn a lot
Speaker 3: about yourself and it develops your game. Of course, you're
Speaker 3: going to learn different shots, different different ways to play.
Speaker 3: And Asia Asia really helped with that. And and through Asia,
Speaker 3: you know, I got access to the European Tour as well.
Speaker 1: And you Rookie of the Year in twenty sixteen on
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. So you come out of college, you
Speaker 1: miss where you want to play. Everybody wants to play
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. Everybody wants to play in America.
Speaker 1: That's where the best players play. But you say, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got so a lot of players I think, Scott
Speaker 1: that I find interesting is they don't do what you do.
Speaker 1: Their dream is to go, Okay, I want to play
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I don't make it on the PGA Tour. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to play the corn Fairy. And if you
Speaker 1: don't meet those two targets and those two goals, then
Speaker 1: I've seen so many players say okay, well everything now
Speaker 1: is is a come down, right, Everything now is kind
Speaker 1: of it's kind of beneath me because I thought I
Speaker 1: was better than this, and I really don't want to
Speaker 1: be And I see a lot of players in go
Speaker 1: they get status somewhere else, but because they didn't get
Speaker 1: status where they wanted to, they struggle because it's almost
Speaker 1: like they self sabotage. They were like, oh, well, I'm
Speaker 1: too good to be here, so I'm actually not going
Speaker 1: to go out and do what you did. Is okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in Asia now, I want to play in America.
Speaker 1: I want to play on the PGA Tour. But what
Speaker 1: you did was you went out and you're Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year in twenty sixteen. So you go and have
Speaker 1: a really good, solid opening year of professional golf. What
Speaker 1: do you feel like that first year on the Asian
Speaker 1: Tour where you were Rookie of the year. What did
Speaker 1: you learn about yourself and what was the jump from Okay,
Speaker 1: I played college golf, played four were you there for
Speaker 1: four years? So four years college golf Division one, So
Speaker 1: you know how to travel, you know how to do
Speaker 1: all of the stuff. But then you go and you
Speaker 1: don't have the success that you wanted to have them,
Speaker 1: you know, by getting onto the PGA Tour, getting on
Speaker 1: the corn ferry, you go to Asia. You weren't planning
Speaker 1: even to go to Asia. Then you go out, you
Speaker 1: get through first stage, you win first stage, win first stage,
Speaker 1: and then basically finished top five. So now you're fully exempt.
Speaker 1: What do you feel like was the jump from college
Speaker 1: golf to professional golf that you kind of noticed and went, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is different now, is it? Or is it just golf?
Speaker 1: And you go into the mindset of saying, listen, even
Speaker 1: though this is Asian Tour, it's just golf.
Speaker 3: It I mean, in the simplest form, it is right,
Speaker 3: it is just golf. But I think from a personal level,
Speaker 3: you have to start owning it yourself. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's where I'm at. What's the best I can do
Speaker 3: with where I'm at? And how am I going to
Speaker 3: get to those big dreams that I have? Obviously the
Speaker 3: plan A didn't work out, But as we know, like
Speaker 3: as we've seen with so many other players, there's so
Speaker 3: many different ways to get back there, and different journeys
Speaker 3: develop different people differently, And mine's being a little bit
Speaker 3: different in that I've gone through Asia, tried a bit
Speaker 3: in Europe that didn't work out so great, come back
Speaker 3: to Asia, gone to Japan. But it's just been a
Speaker 3: cool journey of just me learning more about who I
Speaker 3: am and what I am like as a player, and
Speaker 3: how I can continue to figure out ways to optimize
Speaker 3: that and be better. And yeah, like you said that
Speaker 3: first year, I mean it's quite a few years ago,
Speaker 3: and trying to remember a little bit more of it.
Speaker 3: But obviously that was a validating moment in my careers. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: we you know, we came to college, we figured that out. Okay,
Speaker 3: we were good enough for college golf. Now it's another
Speaker 3: level up. You know, not many people get to chase
Speaker 3: their dreams at the professional level, and you don't know
Speaker 3: if you're going to be good enough.
Speaker 4: Obviously you have big dreams.
Speaker 3: And you want to be good enough, and you're dreaming
Speaker 3: of winning majors and playing at the highest stage. But
Speaker 3: is that going to be a reality. You're not sure.
Speaker 3: And so going to Asian Tour maybe getting Work of
Speaker 3: the Year was a little validation. It's like, okay, good,
Speaker 3: that was great. Now how do we move on from that?
Speaker 3: We continue to look at ways to improve and get better.
Speaker 1: One of the few Western players that played in Japan.
Speaker 1: There's the Asian Tour, which is crazy on to itself,
Speaker 1: and then there's an entire another world which is golf
Speaker 1: in Japan. And for people that don't know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to find a country more obsessed with golf than they
Speaker 1: are in Japan. And the Japanese Tour is very, very specific,
Speaker 1: and then you go into a completely another cultural shock
Speaker 1: of the food in Japan. If you don't speak Japanese,
Speaker 1: it's a struggle. You've got to get yourself around. How
Speaker 1: many years did you play on the Japanese Tour?
Speaker 3: So I did two full seasons out there. Obviously I've
Speaker 3: got a little messed up with COVID and how that
Speaker 3: all works, so two and a half something like that,
Speaker 3: and I still have full status out there. But honestly,
Speaker 3: Japan's one of my favorite countries. Like once you kind
Speaker 3: of figure out the little things and how to move around,
Speaker 3: and it's one of the simplest, most amazing love the culture, love,
Speaker 3: food's amazing, love so many things about it. It's one
Speaker 3: country and it's big, but it's small, and so the
Speaker 3: travel in and around that is just incredible. And I'm
Speaker 3: excited to be going back there in a week's time
Speaker 3: to go and play some bill.
Speaker 1: You go back which tournaments you.
Speaker 3: So, I'm gonna play the there's one called the ab
Speaker 3: ABC event. And then two weeks later I'm playing Doune.
Speaker 1: Phoenix on Phoenix fiftieth anniversary of the Dunlap Phoenix. Brooks
Speaker 1: is going, Brooks is Goings is going, He's won it twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what's playing a golf in Japan like on tour
Speaker 1: because obviously you're not Japanese, there's a language barrier golf course.
Speaker 1: I love the look of the golf courses Japan that
Speaker 1: dormant to where everything is burnt out, and then the
Speaker 1: greens and the t's are bright, bright green. I love
Speaker 1: the way some of the golf courses in Japan look.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah they're they're pristine, like they take so much
Speaker 3: pride in doing everything one hundred percent. Some of the
Speaker 3: best greens I've put it on and played on their
Speaker 3: courses are incredible, and so it to me. I loved
Speaker 3: it because it felt like right, this is kind of
Speaker 3: a slightly.
Speaker 4: Smaller version of the PGA Tour.
Speaker 3: And so good conditions, great conditions. You know, tons of
Speaker 3: people watching, so you getting used to the crowds.
Speaker 1: Of television, big stars in Japan, I mean, the the
Speaker 1: players in Japan that are good are rock stars in Japan, phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I mean they are. I mean, And it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you said that because out of all of the tours,
Speaker 1: and it's funny Adam Scott has said to Scotty loves
Speaker 1: going to Japan, right, I mean, obviously the unicloth thing
Speaker 1: now it helps, but Scotty's always gone and played in Japan.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you mentioned that playing professional golf
Speaker 1: in Japan is probably the closest you can get to
Speaker 1: playing on the PGA Tour because the crowds are huge,
Speaker 1: there's television every week, there are big superstars. All the
Speaker 1: manufacturers have trucks, everybody's logoed up. So I never thought
Speaker 1: about that, but that playing in Japan is probably as
Speaker 1: close to being on the PGA Tour from an experience
Speaker 1: as a player as you can get.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3: And so seeing that and tasting it's like, this is perfect,
Speaker 3: This is amazing preparation for I'm trying to get to
Speaker 3: and just loved it, you know, it depends an amazing place.
Speaker 1: You got your first win in twenty twenty one, Yes,
Speaker 1: do you remember it?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: What was different? So you get your first really that's
Speaker 1: your big that's your first big professional wine. I always
Speaker 1: ask players did you need to play as good as
Speaker 1: you thought you did to win your first tournament? Or
Speaker 1: was the experience different? Because I think so many players
Speaker 1: Scott feel like the only way they're going to win
Speaker 1: golf tournaments is just to come in all guns, blaze
Speaker 1: and shoot four rounds in the sixties and it's just
Speaker 1: going to be this amazing m to shoot sixty three
Speaker 1: on Sunday or do something special? Was the experience afterwards?
Speaker 1: Did you have this kind of thought process saying Okay,
Speaker 1: that wasn't as hard as I thought it was?
Speaker 4: Right on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you it up so much in your mind and
Speaker 3: you think it has to be absolutely perfect. And I
Speaker 3: found that a lot of times just golf in general,
Speaker 3: there's always a testing point at some point during the
Speaker 3: round and which way is that going to swing? Are
Speaker 3: you going to let it swing in your favor or
Speaker 3: against because you're going to get tested at some point.
Speaker 3: Obviously the nerves and everything and like that's all that's
Speaker 3: all part of it. But at some point during the
Speaker 3: round you're going to face something that's really uncomfortable, really challenging,
Speaker 3: really difficult, and what are you going to do with that?
Speaker 4: Are you going to let it.
Speaker 3: Linger and affect the way that you're going to finish
Speaker 3: the day or you just this is all part of
Speaker 3: the process, and so yeah, absolutely, it was just it
Speaker 3: was just one of those days where the whole experience
Speaker 3: and just being in that was just incredible. Obviously, the
Speaker 3: golf kind of followed, and I did play really good golf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was cool.
Speaker 3: I had to make a six footer on the last
Speaker 3: hole to win it, and I couldn't really feel the putter.
Speaker 3: I was so nervous and stroked it and I went
Speaker 3: in and it was It was amazing, and my wife
Speaker 3: was there and so we we had a special moment together. It. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was like you said, it wasn't like I had
Speaker 3: to play absolutely prep golf.
Speaker 4: It was just I had to be there. I just
Speaker 4: had to experience it.
Speaker 3: I just had to do my opining almost get out
Speaker 3: of the way and just let it happen.
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Speaker 1: Game when you get your first win as a professional, right,
Speaker 1: what does it do for you mentally? Because you've been
Speaker 1: basically your entire life has been about that moment, right,
Speaker 1: and you've built it up, and you've thought about it,
Speaker 1: and you've done all these things to make sure it happened.
Speaker 1: When it finally happens, what's that experience like for you personally?
Speaker 1: Do you just kind of go? Do you exhale? Is
Speaker 1: it validation? What is it?
Speaker 3: I think at that time it did feel like a
Speaker 3: sigh of relief. It's like, man, I've knocked on the
Speaker 3: store so many times and it hasn't opened it finally,
Speaker 3: you know, But I think over the years or a
Speaker 3: few years on, it's just like this, this game that
Speaker 3: we're chasing is just so fickle. It like comes and
Speaker 3: goes and comes and goes, and it's like if if
Speaker 3: everything's about winning or losing, it's just it's that just
Speaker 3: seems pointless to me. And so what I'm trying to
Speaker 3: do is make this more about the person I'm becoming.
Speaker 3: You know, who am I becoming as a player and
Speaker 3: as a person. And so that's how I'm trying to
Speaker 3: judge it more now, whereas back then I was all
Speaker 3: about winning, because you know, for the longest time, who's
Speaker 3: the longest person that's finished top ten almost every single
Speaker 3: weeks and it hasn't won. You know that, everyone said, Scott Viciica,
Speaker 3: but and so it was. It was just nice to
Speaker 3: get past that and put that to bed and just
Speaker 3: move on with me becoming the person undercoming.
Speaker 1: And you won three times in Japan, you want to
Speaker 1: tournament that qualified you to get into the Open Championship
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, and then so you go
Speaker 1: through like you said, you go through COVID and then
Speaker 1: you go and then not out of nowhere, but Live happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we have heard so much over the last two
Speaker 1: years about the money aspect of Live, all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: all these guys getting the bag. Well, you're one of
Speaker 1: the guys that is the opposite end of the spectrum
Speaker 1: from the Brooks, the DJs, the Brysons, who all got
Speaker 1: a boatload of money, who all made a decision that
Speaker 1: a lot of people think was largely based on money.
Speaker 1: Your journey to Live was through the International Series, which
Speaker 1: lived in a partnership with the Asian Tour to try
Speaker 1: and have an opportunity for players coming out of Asia
Speaker 1: to get to live. And you won what I think
Speaker 1: it was the week before the first tournament in London.
Speaker 1: You won an International Series event which qualified I remember,
Speaker 1: I mean you were thrown in first year on Live,
Speaker 1: three different teams. But the first tournament that Live has
Speaker 1: in London, I was there. First tease packed, they throw
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 3: With DJ and Phil. Incredible. It's like, who's this guy?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking as well I can imagine what
Speaker 3: everyone else is thinking. So just yeah, amazing. Like for me,
Speaker 3: Live came out of absolutely nowhere. I was playing in
Speaker 3: Japan and I thought, let's go play this one in London.
Speaker 4: Lives so much.
Speaker 3: It's it's a nice person, it's it's in London, my
Speaker 3: sister live, well outside of London, my sister lives there.
Speaker 3: And win that and it's like, oh, you're heading to
Speaker 3: the live of it next week. I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: what's that? And so yeah, just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Was the decision to say, okay, I've got on to
Speaker 1: a live event. I can play all eight this year.
Speaker 1: Was that a big decision because I think so many
Speaker 1: people that are listening, we've heard so much on both sides, right,
Speaker 1: We've heard the tour side of things, We've heard live
Speaker 1: side of things. I actually think people are tired of
Speaker 1: hearing about it, right because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's golf, right, but not everybody, not everybody chose to
Speaker 1: go to Live and it was a money grab for you.
Speaker 1: I talked to Wayde Ormsby about this as well. Who's
Speaker 1: one of the livers or it's an opportunity for me
Speaker 1: to play and somewhat try and climb up the ladder
Speaker 1: that guys like DJ and Brooks and Bryson and Phil
Speaker 1: they don't have to climb up the ladder. Now, there
Speaker 1: were times at their career that they did, but there
Speaker 1: were a lot of guys that I think went to
Speaker 1: Live that have gotten tarnished with this brush that you're
Speaker 1: a sellout. So you're just looking for a place to
Speaker 1: play and trying to find a tour where you can
Speaker 1: get a foothold, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I you know.
Speaker 3: One of the things is that we want to play
Speaker 3: against the mists in the world, and like in Asia
Speaker 3: and Japan, we don't get to see these guys very often.
Speaker 1: A couple times a year, Like you said, Dunlap, Phoenix,
Speaker 1: there might be maybe Ricky Fowler comes over. There's maybe
Speaker 1: one superstar from the US, but a lot Live gets
Speaker 1: beat up because everybody says it was worthless. It was worthless.
Speaker 1: It's worthless. But as a player, you're looking at the
Speaker 1: caliber of players that have come over to LIVE and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I can go play with
Speaker 1: multiple major champions and currently when Live happens last year,
Speaker 1: you're looking at playing against arguably one of, if not
Speaker 1: the best player in the world at the time, Cam Smith.
Speaker 1: When Cam finally came over and decided to play, DJ Brooks, Bryson, Phil,
Speaker 1: Matt Wolf, all of these guys. You have this opportunity
Speaker 1: to say, listen, I don't get an opportunity. I can't
Speaker 1: get on a tour like this unless I qualify for
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, even Europe now, unless it's the Middle
Speaker 1: East Swing. You just don't get that quality of people.
Speaker 1: So I know a lot of people think, oh, the
Speaker 1: Live fields are bullshit and the players aren't any good.
Speaker 1: But somebody like you, you're looking at that, going, this
Speaker 1: is an opportunity of a lifetime for me to play
Speaker 1: against some of the best players in the world. And
Speaker 1: then they throw you out in the first one and
Speaker 1: you get paired with Phil who's won six Majors and
Speaker 1: you get paired with DJ, who's arguably i mean Phil's
Speaker 1: he and Tiger are the best players of his generation.
Speaker 1: DJ's one of the top five best players of his
Speaker 1: generation and is a superstar. What was that experience like
Speaker 1: for you? Because you're Scott Vincent from Zimbabwe that lives
Speaker 1: in Colorado, that plays on the Japanese tour, and then
Speaker 1: you've got Phil and Dju both flew over on fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar airplanes. I mean, there's a big difference between
Speaker 1: what you're doing and what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, for me, it came out of
Speaker 3: absolute nowhere. I was just playing an Asian door event
Speaker 3: the week before, and next thing I know, I'm paid
Speaker 3: with Phil and DJ, and I'm like, oh, is this
Speaker 3: even happening? Like why is this happening to me? I'd
Speaker 3: happily just play off Hall sixteen somewhere and just carry on.
Speaker 3: But that, like, looking back, that experience is just invaluable.
Speaker 3: You can't you can't put a price tag on that,
Speaker 3: Like to hit that first t shot with them, to
Speaker 3: play the way I did, I actually had an amazing
Speaker 3: then I played really well. I think I shut three
Speaker 3: or four under that day, which was incredible under the circumstances.
Speaker 3: And to rub shoulders with these two guys that I've
Speaker 3: only ever seen on TV. I haven't seen them in
Speaker 3: person before, and like, just the whole thing was so cool.
Speaker 1: Was it hard not to fan boy it right and
Speaker 1: focus on your own game because all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you're playing with one of the greatest players of the
Speaker 1: modern generation in Phil Mickelson, who's won you know, so
Speaker 1: many major champions. I mean, he's an icon of the sport.
Speaker 1: And then DJ. You know everything about DJ, how far
Speaker 1: he hits it, the swag, the whole thing. Is it
Speaker 1: hard in that situation, when you get thrown into a
Speaker 1: group like that and a big tournament to focus on
Speaker 1: them and not focus on you because you're, like, man,
Speaker 1: I get to watch Phil Mickelson's short game today up close.
Speaker 1: I get to watch Dustin Johnson in a real tournament,
Speaker 1: drive it close, right? Is it hard to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got to stay focused on my sub because, like
Speaker 1: you said, a lot of people go out into that
Speaker 1: situation and play terrible, right and just go listen. The
Speaker 1: situation was really big for me. It's a big tournament.
Speaker 1: I never played in a tournament this big, and then
Speaker 1: they prepare me with you know, former world number one
Speaker 1: and two time major champion and you know Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 4: That's that's not easy, no it yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was something just I think for me in that moment,
Speaker 3: I was getting very self conscious. So actually I was
Speaker 3: thinking more about myself and how I was going to
Speaker 3: look in front of them, which I wish I was
Speaker 3: more of, Hey, we get to watch this up close
Speaker 3: and upfront, because I think that's a bit of approach
Speaker 3: to learning and watching and trying to take in as much.
Speaker 3: But yeah, once we got going and through a couple holes,
Speaker 3: you know, I golf, it's a golf and you sittle
Speaker 3: right into it and the hardcore you got that.
Speaker 1: I tell players like yourself all the time that are
Speaker 1: new in that situation. It's always that's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You're worried about what they're going to think about the
Speaker 1: way you play. And I tell guys this all the time.
Speaker 1: They don't give a shit about you. They couldn't care
Speaker 1: if you shot sixty two or eighty. And that's not
Speaker 1: that's not being rude about them or rude about you.
Speaker 1: They just they don't care. They're focused on trying to play,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys in your situation.
Speaker 1: You get into that situation where you get paired with Tiger,
Speaker 1: you get paired with Rory, and you know you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass myself and I don't want
Speaker 1: to look bad in front of them. They don't They
Speaker 1: couldn't care less about your game, And that's hard to
Speaker 1: think like that, but you have to think like that.
Speaker 1: To be great, you have to not worry about other
Speaker 1: people and not care how they play.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because like I'll go and play a
Speaker 3: pro am with someone and that's exactly what they're thinking
Speaker 3: about me, Like I'm worried about them and how they.
Speaker 1: Don't care less, you're worried about yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's exactly how I suppose do it think.
Speaker 3: Being out there for this year or two years now,
Speaker 3: you start to realize that a bit more, that everyone
Speaker 3: is just kind of locked in on what they're doing,
Speaker 3: and like whether you're shoot in sixty two or eighty two,
Speaker 3: it's like whatever, you know, we're going to walk the
Speaker 3: fairways together and have a conversation and carry on with them.
Speaker 1: They do anything in that round, that first round where
Speaker 1: you were paired with DJ and Phil where they hit
Speaker 1: a shot or did something where you went, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: in the show now, that's that's different. This is a
Speaker 1: different type of player than that I've been around.
Speaker 4: I mean, they are phenomenal players. You can't quit.
Speaker 3: DJ's ball striking is absolutely incredible. Like the sound it
Speaker 3: makes coming off the face is just it's just different.
Speaker 3: And you don't hear that definitely not an Asia because
Speaker 3: they're not built like he is.
Speaker 1: And you certainly don't hear that in Japan either because
Speaker 1: to play with a player. And again, I don't think
Speaker 1: people everybody that watches competitive golf thinks that the players
Speaker 1: are interchanged. Right, the golf that's played in Europe is
Speaker 1: the similar golf that's played on the PGA Tour. Right,
Speaker 1: there are different players. And if you play in Asia
Speaker 1: and then play in Japan, you don't see someone like
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson who's six foot four, who hits it the
Speaker 1: way that you don't see someone like a Rory McElroy
Speaker 1: who hits it as far as somebody like Rory hits it.
Speaker 1: You just don't see that in Asia, and you don't
Speaker 1: see that in Japan. You might see it from a player,
Speaker 1: but the player isn't really that good. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: another box of tools in the toolbox. He Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: You see players in Asia and Japan that hit it
Speaker 1: a long way. You don't see players like DJ hit
Speaker 1: it a long way that have been number one in
Speaker 1: the world, that have won multiple major championships, like a Rory,
Speaker 1: like a Bill, like these icons of the game. And
Speaker 1: so when you see somebody like DJ, you just go
Speaker 1: Does that make you go, Okay, I need to hit
Speaker 1: it further? I need to get in better shape. Do
Speaker 1: I need to try? I mean, because there is that thing, Scott,
Speaker 1: when you play all of a sudden you come from
Speaker 1: playing Japan and Asia to live to where you're playing
Speaker 1: against some of the best players in the world, do
Speaker 1: you kind of go is it imposter syndrome? And you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be out here? Am I as
Speaker 1: good as these guys? Am I going to stick to
Speaker 1: my own game? Or am I now going to try
Speaker 1: and do something that I can't do? That isn't me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I think it's only human nature to kind
Speaker 3: of go that way a little bit and start comparing
Speaker 3: yourself to everyone else in it, and I found, at
Speaker 3: least for me, it's just so deadly like if I
Speaker 3: start comparing, like why why can't I wedge it like
Speaker 3: Karen Smith or or public Karon Smith or or I mean,
Speaker 3: he does so many things really well, and it's just
Speaker 3: like you can get in this hole where it's like
Speaker 3: I'm not good, and then you start forgetting what you
Speaker 3: do well. And so yes, there's a time and a
Speaker 3: place for picking things that they do and asking them
Speaker 3: questions and trying to absorb as much information and maybe
Speaker 3: learn a shut or two. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I think it's really important to also realize what you
Speaker 3: do and kind of stick to your game plan and
Speaker 3: your way that you operate around the both course and
Speaker 3: keep that kind of.
Speaker 4: Close to home, because I've gone.
Speaker 3: Both ways and disappeared off down a rabbit hole where
Speaker 3: it's like I'm just not built to do that, or
Speaker 3: I don't understand how to do that. Now maybe down
Speaker 3: the road I will, but just no, so let me
Speaker 3: not compromise everything that I'm doing just to try and
Speaker 3: figure out something that someone else is doing. So that
Speaker 3: comparison thing is is I've got to be very careful
Speaker 3: of that, but you can definitely learn a lot.
Speaker 1: So three live teams. Last year you were on torqu yep,
Speaker 1: you're on.
Speaker 3: I was on iron Heads, I believe at one point,
Speaker 3: and then I think I started on Smash but she won,
Speaker 3: was the captain for Smash. Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: That was before Brooks came Well brooksk.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to the chase twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: You go to the irons Heads, Kevin Nah, See Wan Kim, yourself,
Speaker 1: Danny Lee four point seven million dollars this year. And
Speaker 1: if I'd have told you last year, Scott that you
Speaker 1: were going to have the year that you've had on
Speaker 1: Live this year, because I don't think again, Yes, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money that live in the Saudis have
Speaker 1: been brought into professional golf. And yes, you can make
Speaker 1: the argument that guys like DJ and Brooks and Phil
Speaker 1: and Bryson that they didn't need that kind of money
Speaker 1: anyway because they'd already had these amazing careers and they
Speaker 1: were already multimillionaires and.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That was not the case for you, Right, You're not
Speaker 1: flying around net jets every week, you're not building you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand square foot houses, right, that's not the golf
Speaker 1: world that you live in. So to have this opportunity
Speaker 1: to come to make almost five million dollars this year,
Speaker 1: to be a full year on a live team, regardless
Speaker 1: of which side of the fence people are that are
Speaker 1: listening that, whether they're pro live anti live. Your experience
Speaker 1: and what did you like about the opportunity and what
Speaker 1: did you feel was different about the live opportunity that
Speaker 1: was different than having full status on the Asian Tour,
Speaker 1: that was different than having full status in Japan? How
Speaker 1: is the experience different for people that are listening that
Speaker 1: having been a part of.
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, I think for me the biggest thing is
Speaker 3: that it's completely out of my comfort zone. Like I've
Speaker 3: I understand Asia, I understand Japan, and there's a comfort
Speaker 3: level to that. This this whole live thing for me
Speaker 3: as a player and a person is it's very uncomfortable
Speaker 3: because it's new territory.
Speaker 1: You're playing in the US, you're playing big tournaments, huge
Speaker 1: outside the US, You're playing probably in front of more
Speaker 1: people than you normally play. For me, I mean they
Speaker 1: get big, big crowds in Japan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But and the courses and the style of courses,
Speaker 3: and just how demanding it is, just off the tee
Speaker 3: into the green, on the greens, around the greens. It
Speaker 3: was just more about am I going to embrace this
Speaker 3: or am I going to kind of shy away from it?
Speaker 3: And so we've been working really hard and just trying
Speaker 3: to embrace these moments because as a player and as
Speaker 3: a person, you're going to face these things that may
Speaker 3: make you feel very uncomfortable throughout your life. And I
Speaker 3: think this year, more than ever, I've embraced some of
Speaker 3: that a little bit more and just kind of faced it,
Speaker 3: which doesn't guarantee that you're going to pull it off
Speaker 3: and do it perfectly fine, but it's going to help
Speaker 3: you down the road. And so this year was just
Speaker 3: facing a lot of those uncomfortable situations and moments. And Saudi,
Speaker 3: for example, was a hugely uncomfortable week for me.
Speaker 1: You know, as you go into the final individual round
Speaker 1: or tournament of the year and Live was in Jedda,
Speaker 1: the top twenty four guys on Live are guaranteed their
Speaker 1: spot for the following year, and then everybody else kind
Speaker 1: of goes into this kind of pool of players. Some
Speaker 1: of the I mean, listen I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people also don't understand the inner workings of Live. There
Speaker 1: are players that have multiple year contracts, guys like Brooks DJ,
Speaker 1: they're captains, they've got there, they've got contracts for a
Speaker 1: long time. Someone like yourself, you're on a year to
Speaker 1: year opportunity to try and keep your playing privileges. So
Speaker 1: for you to finish in Jedda on Sunday and basically
Speaker 1: play your way into another year on Live, it's a massive,
Speaker 1: massive thing for someone like you at this point in
Speaker 1: your career.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like I was saying, that day was just
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable. One of the things that I've tried not
Speaker 3: to do is look at the school board, look at
Speaker 3: where I'm at. You know, I felt like I've played
Speaker 3: really well this year, but looking back, I was around
Speaker 3: thirty first, and thirty first. To get to twenty fourth
Speaker 3: as a massive jump that you need to make going
Speaker 3: into the final event and obviously have a great second
Speaker 3: round where I'm now in the second last group, but
Speaker 3: again I don't know where I stand over all, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what I need to do. And I
Speaker 3: get pulled into an interview and the first thing they
Speaker 3: bring up is you sitting right now at twenty fourth position,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, great, the whole thing that I've been
Speaker 3: trying to do the whole year, it just gets camp
Speaker 3: is right there accidentally. But again it was perfect for
Speaker 3: me because then I had to deal with that as well,
Speaker 3: and so now I know exactly what I need to
Speaker 3: do and where I need to finish. Now I've got
Speaker 3: to go play the next day and sleep that night
Speaker 3: and just deal with everything that comes along with that.
Speaker 1: So No, Saudi golf course is tricky. It's tricky because
Speaker 1: it's a desert style golf course. If you hit it offline,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a good lie. It's wide open,
Speaker 1: it's very very windy, and on Sunday when you shot
Speaker 1: or under, it's blowing twenty to thirty. And you get
Speaker 1: out on those holes near the water. Thirteen, it's always
Speaker 1: haling off the right. There's water right, it's dead left. Sixteen,
Speaker 1: it's always haling off the left. What did you learn
Speaker 1: about yourself? Because then your back's up against the wall right,
Speaker 1: So then you know exactly what you have to do, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you know that if you're on the bubble going
Speaker 1: into Sunday, So you're the twenty fourth guy. You know
Speaker 1: that if you're inside the top twenty four next year,
Speaker 1: you have full status on life, which is a huge
Speaker 1: opportunity right now, the amount of money they're playing for
Speaker 1: to have another opportunity to play, it's massive for someone
Speaker 1: at this stage of your career, coming from where you've
Speaker 1: come from, right, coming from the tours that you've come from,
Speaker 1: playing where you've been playing. So how do you go
Speaker 1: about that mentally because you're trying not to get caught
Speaker 1: up in the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're trying everything you can, and the moment's there,
Speaker 3: like you can't really avoid it. So again it's just
Speaker 3: am I going to embrace this? Am I going to
Speaker 3: learn from it regardless of how the result comes out
Speaker 3: or shy away from it? So you know that night
Speaker 3: was it was a tricky night to get good rest.
Speaker 3: But again you kind of remember in your your bank
Speaker 3: of memories that I've played well with not very much sleep.
Speaker 3: So that's okay, And yeah, we just I just went
Speaker 3: into the day exactly like I would treat it any
Speaker 3: other day. Hit my routines take up half the putting
Speaker 3: greed to do all my putting drills and then yeah,
Speaker 3: just just cruise through the routines and play. And again,
Speaker 3: I don't look at school boards, or I try not
Speaker 3: to because I find that just gets me caught up
Speaker 3: in results and all over the place. So I'm just
Speaker 3: playing and I don't really know where I'm at. I
Speaker 3: just know that this is important right here, So let's
Speaker 3: start it in. Let's the best shot that we can.
Speaker 3: And we're not trying to play safe or push or anything.
Speaker 3: We're just playing golf. And so I played amazing like
Speaker 3: that whole day, and like looking back and dissecting that round,
Speaker 3: it's like the cool thing was is that under those circumstances,
Speaker 3: like a few more puts go in and it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm actually at a chance where I could win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had it on the background, you had a
Speaker 1: legit chance to win. I mean because the margins were
Speaker 1: so tight. There was only really there was probably ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen guys within like one or two shots of
Speaker 1: a lead. Right, And it was a tough day Brooks.
Speaker 1: That wasn't he was the leader. He shot zero the
Speaker 1: day before. He didn't really have his best stuff until late.
Speaker 1: We made puts when he needed to do. You say
Speaker 1: to yourself Okay, I've got a game plan, I've got
Speaker 1: an idea of what I'm going to try and do.
Speaker 1: Did you have a target score in mind? Did you
Speaker 1: have any of that or were you just basically saying, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just taking each each each shot, each hole as
Speaker 1: they come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just each shot as it comes. For me, that
Speaker 3: seems to be the best way to go. Didn't really
Speaker 3: have a target number or anything, and it was just
Speaker 3: less play because like so often is like the round
Speaker 3: cannot start the way you want, but it can finish
Speaker 3: even better than you expect, or vice versa. You know,
Speaker 3: you can start off hot and then it can kind
Speaker 3: of just get all funky and you just not really
Speaker 3: finish and take advantage of the holes that you should.
Speaker 3: So for me, it was just we just play. We
Speaker 3: just played like this was going to be a great
Speaker 3: day of learning, regardless whether it worked out or didn't,
Speaker 3: and grateful it did. And it came down to Sergio's
Speaker 3: part on the last hole, which I couldn't watch. I
Speaker 3: don't want to be standing there wishing something on someone else.
Speaker 3: I just got away and and eventually the news comes
Speaker 3: that it was good enough.
Speaker 4: So just amazing.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that the team element
Speaker 1: of live. They don't get it. They don't understand it.
Speaker 1: They think it's a gimmick. They don't think it's real.
Speaker 1: Your experience of being on the iron Heads this year,
Speaker 1: what did you like about it and what is the
Speaker 1: team part about it? How is that different and helpful?
Speaker 1: Maybe in a way that you didn't.
Speaker 3: Think it's a special bond. You actually like your team
Speaker 3: is like your family in a way. Like the one
Speaker 3: thing I really loved about the Ironheads and Kevin and
Speaker 3: his captain Sye is he just he let us do
Speaker 3: our golf on our own, like he knows that we're
Speaker 3: all good enough and he doesn't need to coach us
Speaker 3: and tell us what to do. He just let us
Speaker 3: do our own thing, which I really respect and I
Speaker 3: think that was great. But at the same time, he
Speaker 3: could bring it in and we could go and play
Speaker 3: games together, and we could compete and keep it fun,
Speaker 3: and we went out for dinners, we hung out together.
Speaker 3: It was you know, obviously a.
Speaker 1: Little bit like I'm guessing, like college golf again, a
Speaker 1: lot to where you're traveling, kind of staying in the
Speaker 1: same hotels. I mean, to me, that's one of been
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about the experience on Live,
Speaker 1: which has been vastly different than the PGA Tour, is
Speaker 1: it does feel a little bit Live. To me, feels
Speaker 1: a lot more like when I started traveling in Europe
Speaker 1: on the European Tour in the early two thousands. It
Speaker 1: was a traveling circus. It was the same group of people,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Asia's a little bit like that, because
Speaker 1: you don't have this massive disparag difference between the superstars
Speaker 1: and everybody else, right. I mean that's the thing in
Speaker 1: the US that people don't realize the PGA Tour. It's
Speaker 1: very different because the superstars, you don't really if you're
Speaker 1: not a superstar, you don't see these guys, right, You're
Speaker 1: they're certainly not on the same planes as you are, right,
Speaker 1: They're not on you know, whatever airline you're taking, because
Speaker 1: they're either flying with all the other superstars private, So
Speaker 1: there's a big difference. And I think the cool thing
Speaker 1: about Live for me is it does feel like a
Speaker 1: traveling circus, like we're all big, one big family, and
Speaker 1: that part of it's fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so fun, Like we joke around together, there's
Speaker 3: internal jokes, and then when you feel another member coming
Speaker 3: and making fun of when you're defending them, and so
Speaker 3: it's like, it's just an amazing atmosphere and I think
Speaker 3: I think it's really cool and special and it's a
Speaker 3: game changer because golf can be very lonely. You do
Speaker 3: a lot of things on your own. It's an individual sport,
Speaker 3: that's just the way it is. But this team thing
Speaker 3: just adds a different level to it.
Speaker 1: Do you watch as you're trying to not watch your
Speaker 1: own score, are you watching the team score?
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching how the team's doing, seeing, hey, how's Danny
Speaker 3: playing today? Okay, good, that's great. Let's you know, let's
Speaker 3: see we can help out or whatever. And there was
Speaker 3: something Danny talked about when he had his win in Arizona.
Speaker 3: He wasn't worried about himself. He was just seeing how
Speaker 3: the team was doing and we were moving up nicely
Speaker 3: and that fired him up. So yeah, it's it's cool.
Speaker 3: It's something else to chick well outside of yourself, which
Speaker 3: is great.
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty four, do you reset your goals because
Speaker 1: obviously now you've had two full seasons on lift, so
Speaker 1: you played all eight the first year, you played fourteen.
Speaker 1: This year you'll play a full schedule next year. The
Speaker 1: mindset of going into that first live tournament in London
Speaker 1: to where you get thrown in the deep end with
Speaker 1: DJ and Phil and you're thinking, Wow, this is way different.
Speaker 1: Is the mindset now Okay I feel comfortable. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, twenty four is my opportunity to say, okay, now,
Speaker 1: maybe I feel like I can win, Maybe I feel
Speaker 1: like I can win more than one time? Is that
Speaker 1: the mindset moving forward? Do you adjust based off of
Speaker 1: the two years you've just had.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think overall, you know, there's still these big dreams
Speaker 3: and goals that I have personally from a golf standpoint,
Speaker 3: and so it's just about am I continuing to move
Speaker 3: closer to those? And I think when I stopped trying
Speaker 3: to learn and get better, that's when I think my
Speaker 3: golf career is probably coming to an end. And I
Speaker 3: think right now, I've just got tons of learning and
Speaker 3: growth to do. You know, I'm always trying to find
Speaker 3: ways to get better. I'm like this off season, I'm
Speaker 3: so excited for it, Like I can't wait to see
Speaker 3: the changes that I can make going into next year.
Speaker 3: And I think, just for me, just I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to get better each and every day. You know, we
Speaker 3: can learn, we can grow, we can we can find
Speaker 3: ways to improve, and that that's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: We we do have some goals that we would like
Speaker 3: to achieve, and I think people would call that crazy,
Speaker 3: but I think I've got to shoot high, you know,
Speaker 3: I've got to shoot for staff.
Speaker 4: So we'll see that where that ends up.
Speaker 1: Lastly, you you pot with the flag in. I have
Speaker 1: no idea how you pot with the flag it Fitzpat
Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick Fitz does it? Yeah, you pot with the
Speaker 1: flag in from every distance?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What I mean? Bryson, We've I've talked to his crazy
Speaker 1: ass about this as well. The rest of us look
Speaker 1: at that that aren't flag in putters and go, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? What is the thought process
Speaker 1: behind the flag in?
Speaker 3: I think it started in COVID when we had to
Speaker 3: leave the flags in, and then I started hearing some
Speaker 3: stats backing it up that you actually make more putts.
Speaker 3: And then I started to find that it was something
Speaker 3: smaller for me to aim at, and so aiming at
Speaker 3: the pin smaller than the hole, and so it kind
Speaker 3: of lucked in my focus a little bit.
Speaker 1: Never thought about that one and that one. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's the first real answer anyone's given me. Okay, all
Speaker 1: the numbers Bryson tried to give me all that bullshit.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you're crazy, right, But the focus
Speaker 1: from and I would imagine from three five those short
Speaker 1: range puts leaving the the flag in it does give
Speaker 1: you an extra focus that you're just going to try
Speaker 1: and hit the middle of the flag right in the
Speaker 1: cup right. You worry about it bouncing it out.
Speaker 3: It's happened one time, but from what distance.
Speaker 4: It was a longer putt.
Speaker 3: It was like a forty foot putt and it was
Speaker 3: forty miler, no wind, and it just timed it perfectly
Speaker 3: when it flag is ending back. So it's only happened once.
Speaker 3: If it does get really windy, sometimes I do take
Speaker 3: it out, especially on those shorter ones, but I think
Speaker 3: I think it's been good to me, so I'm gonna
Speaker 3: keep going with it.
Speaker 1: Well. One of the cool things about talking to you,
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you, is I think over the last two years
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of divisiveness with regards to live
Speaker 1: versus the PGA tour and the fans and everybody feeling
Speaker 1: like they're getting pulled in a lot of different directions.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the good, really cool, feel
Speaker 1: good stories about what Lives done has been your story
Speaker 1: and your journey. For a guy that didn't really plan
Speaker 1: to go to live, it kind of fell into your lap.
Speaker 1: You got an opportunity, and you really really taken advantage
Speaker 1: of this opportunity in it it has been life changing
Speaker 1: for you. And I said this to you earlier today
Speaker 1: when I saw you. One of the cool things is
Speaker 1: when you walked in to the clubhouse and Jetta, all
Speaker 1: of the players that had finished, all the caddies, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody when you walked in stood up and clapped and
Speaker 1: because they knew that you secured another year that you
Speaker 1: can tell you know that doesn't happen anywhere else. Your
Speaker 1: friends that you play with, that you know in professional golf,
Speaker 1: on whatever tour you're playing, they're happy for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the cool things was to
Speaker 1: see the response of everybody on live from player caddy
Speaker 1: and all the people associated with it. They were also
Speaker 1: genuinely happy for you when you did what you did.
Speaker 1: In Saudi Arabia and secured another year of playing privileges.
Speaker 1: To me, that was something that was really cool, and
Speaker 1: I think everybody's really excited to see what you can
Speaker 1: do next year and listen with as hard as you work,
Speaker 1: and you're one of the hardest working people I've seen
Speaker 1: in a long long time. I mean, you put the
Speaker 1: hours in and I like the fact that I watch you.
Speaker 1: I'm OCD, I'm a rule. I mean, I need structure, redvant.
Speaker 1: I take a lot of comfort in the fact that
Speaker 1: you and your caddie literally every week take up half
Speaker 1: of the putting green and it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 1: size is because you've got your process in your drills
Speaker 1: and you do them every single day. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of guys I remember saying to DJ once
Speaker 1: about the fact that there wasn't a lot of room
Speaker 1: on the putting green and stuff like that, but he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of like the fact that
Speaker 1: kid does the same thing every time. So that process
Speaker 1: that you're going through, obviously it's working. I've just never
Speaker 1: seen anyone set up that many stations on a putting
Speaker 1: green at a professional event, but it's obviously working. Congrats
Speaker 1: on a great year and you really looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing what happens in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Clud yet appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So that was Scott Vincent, And like I said, I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a good story. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories around, you know, what's
Speaker 1: happened over the last couple of years, and I think
Speaker 1: everybody has been focusing on, you know, the money element
Speaker 1: of it, and a lot of you know, the war
Speaker 1: between PJ tourn Live and whatever side of the fence
Speaker 1: you're on on that. I think Scott talks a lot about,
Speaker 1: you know, the decision he made, how it's impacted his life,
Speaker 1: and he now has opportunities to play in tournaments that
Speaker 1: he never would have had opportunities to play in, and
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to play against a pretty strong field
Speaker 1: each and every week out on Live. Keep an eye
Speaker 1: on him because I love the way he goes about
Speaker 1: things and I like his game and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what he can do in twenty twenty four. Thanks
Speaker 1: everyone for listening. I know it took a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks off from the pod, had some technical issues, was
Speaker 1: on the road, but I put a question out on
Speaker 1: people that you all want to hear for the pod.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to try and get them.
Speaker 1: We've got some great guests coming up over the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: And thanks for listening. It's always fun when I'm on
Speaker 1: the road. I get a lot of feedback from people
Speaker 1: saying listen, love the podcast, and that always makes me
Speaker 1: feel really really cool. Son of a Butch comes to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.