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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. I am your host, Claude Harmon. This

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Speaker 1: week's guest Scott Vincent, been playing the last two years

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Speaker 1: on Live and I think it's one of the kind

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Speaker 1: of cool, feel good stories. Here's a guy that was

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Speaker 1: playing the Japan Tour, had status in Asia, won a tournament,

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Speaker 1: got into the first live event in London last year,

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Speaker 1: and I spent the last two years playing his golf

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Speaker 1: on Live. But I think there's been so many stories

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. But I think Scott's story is

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Speaker 1: one of the stories that doesn't get talked about. A

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Speaker 1: lot didn't have big time status and wanted to try

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Speaker 1: and use live as an opportunity to play in better

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Speaker 1: tournaments and play against some of the best players in

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Speaker 1: the world. And that's what he's done. He had a

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Speaker 1: breakout year this year. He'll be playing on Live next year.

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Speaker 1: So he has a very unique story on how he

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Speaker 1: to a really really cool interview with Scott Vincent. I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed it and I think you will too. Scott,

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Speaker 1: let me see if I've got this straight. Born in Zimbabwe,

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Speaker 1: live in Colorado. Up until two years ago, you're playing

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Speaker 1: on the Japan Tour. There are strange journeys that people

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Speaker 1: get on to play this game, but competitively. And you

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Speaker 1: played golf, U College, Golf, Virginia Tech. So you've been

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Speaker 1: kind of all over the place, spend some time on

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Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. In the last two years you've spent

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Speaker 1: on Live but the journey to get to where you

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Speaker 1: are now Zimbabwe believe it or not. A rich history

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Speaker 1: of Nicky Price, one of the greats of professional golf.

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Speaker 1: How did you get out of Zimbabwe and first of

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Speaker 1: all get to Virginia Tech. We got to start there.

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Speaker 3: Hey yeah, I mean Nick Price had a huge influence

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Speaker 3: growing up and that that played a huge part in

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Speaker 3: my development coming through. Amazing coach called Roger Bayless who

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Speaker 3: He didn't care that he made nothing from it. He

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Speaker 4: From there.

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Speaker 3: There was a connection with Virginia Tech, so I was

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Speaker 3: probably the fifth Zimbabwan to go there. Brendan Deong is

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Speaker 1: Was it a big, big move to come from Zim

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Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech, Because I mean that is a law.

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Speaker 1: I mean, South Africa's a long way away. Zimbabwe's can

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Speaker 1: You're playing Division one, You're playing in a big program.

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Speaker 4: It was a huge shift.

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Speaker 3: The culture of the food, the people, just how they

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Speaker 3: college was amazing. Like like you said, Virginia Tech has

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Speaker 3: I loved I loved every moment that I had at

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Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. And funny story because it ties in with

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Speaker 3: Played there the last two years, and obviously coming from

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Speaker 4: Maybe I should come home.

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Speaker 1: So you turn prone twenty fifteen. Did you go to

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Speaker 3: huge culture change as well, out of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: And very different. I mean Asia. I think out of

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Speaker 1: all of the tours, scott probably has the most diverse

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Speaker 1: That's a whole nother. Like you said, the culture shock

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Speaker 1: of the travel, the culture shock of the food there is.

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Speaker 1: There is so much more I think to being a

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Speaker 1: he missed in the US, didn't get his US card,

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Speaker 1: What do you feel like those type of experiences did

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Speaker 1: only as a player, Scott, but as a person as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has a huge impact. It just

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Speaker 3: it opens your mind up and you play against different

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, like I love it, I miss

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Speaker 3: it at times. The camaraderie of the tour. It's one

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Speaker 3: of the friendliest tours I've played on. But like you said,

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Speaker 3: you know, you're playing on golf courses where you have

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Speaker 3: fine in pristine, amazing or one of the words golf

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Speaker 3: courses you are gone to. But regardless of that, it

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Speaker 3: the cool part of that is that we all did

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Speaker 1: Game when you get your first win as a professional, right,

452
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Speaker 1: what does it do for you mentally? Because you've been

453
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Speaker 1: basically your entire life has been about that moment, right,

454
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Speaker 1: and you've built it up, and you've thought about it,

455
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Speaker 1: and you've done all these things to make sure it happened.

456
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Speaker 1: When it finally happens, what's that experience like for you personally?

457
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Speaker 1: Do you just kind of go? Do you exhale? Is

458
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Speaker 1: it validation? What is it?

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Speaker 3: I think at that time it did feel like a

460
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Speaker 3: sigh of relief. It's like, man, I've knocked on the

461
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Speaker 3: store so many times and it hasn't opened it finally,

462
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Speaker 3: you know, But I think over the years or a

463
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Speaker 3: few years on, it's just like this, this game that

464
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: we're chasing is just so fickle. It like comes and

465
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Speaker 3: goes and comes and goes, and it's like if if

466
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Speaker 3: everything's about winning or losing, it's just it's that just

467
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Speaker 3: seems pointless to me. And so what I'm trying to

468
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Speaker 3: do is make this more about the person I'm becoming.

469
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Speaker 3: You know, who am I becoming as a player and

470
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Speaker 3: as a person. And so that's how I'm trying to

471
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Speaker 3: judge it more now, whereas back then I was all

472
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Speaker 3: about winning, because you know, for the longest time, who's

473
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Speaker 3: the longest person that's finished top ten almost every single

474
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Speaker 3: weeks and it hasn't won. You know that, everyone said, Scott Viciica,

475
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Speaker 3: but and so it was. It was just nice to

476
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Speaker 3: get past that and put that to bed and just

477
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Speaker 3: move on with me becoming the person undercoming.

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Speaker 1: And you won three times in Japan, you want to

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Speaker 1: tournament that qualified you to get into the Open Championship

480
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, and then so you go

481
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Speaker 1: through like you said, you go through COVID and then

482
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Speaker 1: you go and then not out of nowhere, but Live happens.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

484
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Speaker 1: And we have heard so much over the last two

485
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Speaker 1: years about the money aspect of Live, all of this stuff,

486
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Speaker 1: all these guys getting the bag. Well, you're one of

487
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Speaker 1: the guys that is the opposite end of the spectrum

488
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Speaker 1: from the Brooks, the DJs, the Brysons, who all got

489
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Speaker 1: a boatload of money, who all made a decision that

490
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Speaker 1: a lot of people think was largely based on money.

491
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Speaker 1: Your journey to Live was through the International Series, which

492
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Speaker 1: lived in a partnership with the Asian Tour to try

493
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Speaker 1: and have an opportunity for players coming out of Asia

494
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Speaker 1: to get to live. And you won what I think

495
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Speaker 1: it was the week before the first tournament in London.

496
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Speaker 1: You won an International Series event which qualified I remember,

497
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Speaker 1: I mean you were thrown in first year on Live,

498
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Speaker 1: three different teams. But the first tournament that Live has

499
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Speaker 1: in London, I was there. First tease packed, they throw

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Speaker 1: you out.

501
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Speaker 3: With DJ and Phil. Incredible. It's like, who's this guy?

502
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking as well I can imagine what

503
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: everyone else is thinking. So just yeah, amazing. Like for me,

504
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Speaker 3: Live came out of absolutely nowhere. I was playing in

505
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Speaker 3: Japan and I thought, let's go play this one in London.

506
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: Lives so much.

507
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Speaker 3: It's it's a nice person, it's it's in London, my

508
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: sister live, well outside of London, my sister lives there.

509
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Speaker 3: And win that and it's like, oh, you're heading to

510
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Speaker 3: the live of it next week. I'm like, okay, cool,

511
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: what's that? And so yeah, just came out of nowhere.

512
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Speaker 1: Was the decision to say, okay, I've got on to

513
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Speaker 1: a live event. I can play all eight this year.

514
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Speaker 1: Was that a big decision because I think so many

515
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: people that are listening, we've heard so much on both sides, right,

516
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: We've heard the tour side of things, We've heard live

517
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: side of things. I actually think people are tired of

518
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: hearing about it, right because at the end of the day,

519
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: it's golf, right, but not everybody, not everybody chose to

520
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: go to Live and it was a money grab for you.

521
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: I talked to Wayde Ormsby about this as well. Who's

522
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: one of the livers or it's an opportunity for me

523
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: to play and somewhat try and climb up the ladder

524
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Speaker 1: that guys like DJ and Brooks and Bryson and Phil

525
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: they don't have to climb up the ladder. Now, there

526
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: were times at their career that they did, but there

527
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Speaker 1: were a lot of guys that I think went to

528
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Speaker 1: Live that have gotten tarnished with this brush that you're

529
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Speaker 1: a sellout. So you're just looking for a place to

530
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Speaker 1: play and trying to find a tour where you can

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Speaker 1: get a foothold, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I you know.

533
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Speaker 3: One of the things is that we want to play

534
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Speaker 3: against the mists in the world, and like in Asia

535
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Speaker 3: and Japan, we don't get to see these guys very often.

536
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Speaker 1: A couple times a year, Like you said, Dunlap, Phoenix,

537
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Speaker 1: there might be maybe Ricky Fowler comes over. There's maybe

538
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Speaker 1: one superstar from the US, but a lot Live gets

539
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: beat up because everybody says it was worthless. It was worthless.

540
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: It's worthless. But as a player, you're looking at the

541
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Speaker 1: caliber of players that have come over to LIVE and

542
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I can go play with

543
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Speaker 1: multiple major champions and currently when Live happens last year,

544
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: you're looking at playing against arguably one of, if not

545
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Speaker 1: the best player in the world at the time, Cam Smith.

546
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: When Cam finally came over and decided to play, DJ Brooks, Bryson, Phil,

547
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Speaker 1: Matt Wolf, all of these guys. You have this opportunity

548
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: to say, listen, I don't get an opportunity. I can't

549
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: get on a tour like this unless I qualify for

550
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, even Europe now, unless it's the Middle

551
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Speaker 1: East Swing. You just don't get that quality of people.

552
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Speaker 1: So I know a lot of people think, oh, the

553
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Live fields are bullshit and the players aren't any good.

554
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: But somebody like you, you're looking at that, going, this

555
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: is an opportunity of a lifetime for me to play

556
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Speaker 1: against some of the best players in the world. And

557
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: then they throw you out in the first one and

558
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: you get paired with Phil who's won six Majors and

559
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Speaker 1: you get paired with DJ, who's arguably i mean Phil's

560
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: he and Tiger are the best players of his generation.

561
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Speaker 1: DJ's one of the top five best players of his

562
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Speaker 1: generation and is a superstar. What was that experience like

563
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: for you? Because you're Scott Vincent from Zimbabwe that lives

564
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: in Colorado, that plays on the Japanese tour, and then

565
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: you've got Phil and Dju both flew over on fifty

566
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Speaker 1: million dollar airplanes. I mean, there's a big difference between

567
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Speaker 1: what you're doing and what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, for me, it came out of

569
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Speaker 3: absolute nowhere. I was just playing an Asian door event

570
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: the week before, and next thing I know, I'm paid

571
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Speaker 3: with Phil and DJ, and I'm like, oh, is this

572
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Speaker 3: even happening? Like why is this happening to me? I'd

573
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Speaker 3: happily just play off Hall sixteen somewhere and just carry on.

574
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Speaker 3: But that, like, looking back, that experience is just invaluable.

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Speaker 3: You can't you can't put a price tag on that,

576
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Speaker 3: Like to hit that first t shot with them, to

577
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Speaker 3: play the way I did, I actually had an amazing

578
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: then I played really well. I think I shut three

579
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Speaker 3: or four under that day, which was incredible under the circumstances.

580
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Speaker 3: And to rub shoulders with these two guys that I've

581
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Speaker 3: only ever seen on TV. I haven't seen them in

582
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Speaker 3: person before, and like, just the whole thing was so cool.

583
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Speaker 1: Was it hard not to fan boy it right and

584
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Speaker 1: focus on your own game because all of a sudden

585
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Speaker 1: you're playing with one of the greatest players of the

586
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Speaker 1: modern generation in Phil Mickelson, who's won you know, so

587
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Speaker 1: many major champions. I mean, he's an icon of the sport.

588
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: And then DJ. You know everything about DJ, how far

589
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: he hits it, the swag, the whole thing. Is it

590
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Speaker 1: hard in that situation, when you get thrown into a

591
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Speaker 1: group like that and a big tournament to focus on

592
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Speaker 1: them and not focus on you because you're, like, man,

593
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Speaker 1: I get to watch Phil Mickelson's short game today up close.

594
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Speaker 1: I get to watch Dustin Johnson in a real tournament,

595
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Speaker 1: drive it close, right? Is it hard to say, Okay,

596
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: I've got to stay focused on my sub because, like

597
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Speaker 1: you said, a lot of people go out into that

598
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Speaker 1: situation and play terrible, right and just go listen. The

599
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: situation was really big for me. It's a big tournament.

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Speaker 1: I never played in a tournament this big, and then

601
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Speaker 1: they prepare me with you know, former world number one

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Speaker 1: and two time major champion and you know Phil Mickelson.

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Speaker 4: That's that's not easy, no it yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: It was something just I think for me in that moment,

605
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: I was getting very self conscious. So actually I was

606
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: thinking more about myself and how I was going to

607
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: look in front of them, which I wish I was

608
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Speaker 3: more of, Hey, we get to watch this up close

609
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: and upfront, because I think that's a bit of approach

610
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Speaker 3: to learning and watching and trying to take in as much.

611
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Speaker 3: But yeah, once we got going and through a couple holes,

612
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Speaker 3: you know, I golf, it's a golf and you sittle

613
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Speaker 3: right into it and the hardcore you got that.

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Speaker 1: I tell players like yourself all the time that are

615
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Speaker 1: new in that situation. It's always that's the same thing.

616
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: You're worried about what they're going to think about the

617
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: way you play. And I tell guys this all the time.

618
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: They don't give a shit about you. They couldn't care

619
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: if you shot sixty two or eighty. And that's not

620
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: that's not being rude about them or rude about you.

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Speaker 1: They just they don't care. They're focused on trying to play,

622
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys in your situation.

623
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: You get into that situation where you get paired with Tiger,

624
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: you get paired with Rory, and you know you're like, oh,

625
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass myself and I don't want

626
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: to look bad in front of them. They don't They

627
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: couldn't care less about your game, And that's hard to

628
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: think like that, but you have to think like that.

629
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Speaker 1: To be great, you have to not worry about other

630
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: people and not care how they play.

631
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

632
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because like I'll go and play a

633
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: pro am with someone and that's exactly what they're thinking

634
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: about me, Like I'm worried about them and how they.

635
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Don't care less, you're worried about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's exactly how I suppose do it think.

637
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: Being out there for this year or two years now,

638
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: you start to realize that a bit more, that everyone

639
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: is just kind of locked in on what they're doing,

640
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: and like whether you're shoot in sixty two or eighty two,

641
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: it's like whatever, you know, we're going to walk the

642
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: fairways together and have a conversation and carry on with them.

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00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: They do anything in that round, that first round where

644
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Speaker 1: you were paired with DJ and Phil where they hit

645
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: a shot or did something where you went, Okay, I'm

646
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: in the show now, that's that's different. This is a

647
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: different type of player than that I've been around.

648
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: I mean, they are phenomenal players. You can't quit.

649
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: DJ's ball striking is absolutely incredible. Like the sound it

650
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: makes coming off the face is just it's just different.

651
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: And you don't hear that definitely not an Asia because

652
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: they're not built like he is.

653
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: And you certainly don't hear that in Japan either because

654
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: to play with a player. And again, I don't think

655
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: people everybody that watches competitive golf thinks that the players

656
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: are interchanged. Right, the golf that's played in Europe is

657
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: the similar golf that's played on the PGA Tour. Right,

658
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: there are different players. And if you play in Asia

659
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: and then play in Japan, you don't see someone like

660
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson who's six foot four, who hits it the

661
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: way that you don't see someone like a Rory McElroy

662
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: who hits it as far as somebody like Rory hits it.

663
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: You just don't see that in Asia, and you don't

664
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: see that in Japan. You might see it from a player,

665
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: but the player isn't really that good. He doesn't have

666
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: another box of tools in the toolbox. He Yeah, Okay.

667
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: You see players in Asia and Japan that hit it

668
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: a long way. You don't see players like DJ hit

669
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: it a long way that have been number one in

670
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: the world, that have won multiple major championships, like a Rory,

671
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: like a Bill, like these icons of the game. And

672
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: so when you see somebody like DJ, you just go

673
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: Does that make you go, Okay, I need to hit

674
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: it further? I need to get in better shape. Do

675
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I need to try? I mean, because there is that thing, Scott,

676
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: when you play all of a sudden you come from

677
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: playing Japan and Asia to live to where you're playing

678
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: against some of the best players in the world, do

679
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: you kind of go is it imposter syndrome? And you're like, oh, man,

680
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be out here? Am I as

681
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: good as these guys? Am I going to stick to

682
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: my own game? Or am I now going to try

683
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: and do something that I can't do? That isn't me?

684
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: Right?

685
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

686
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: I think I think it's only human nature to kind

687
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: of go that way a little bit and start comparing

688
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: yourself to everyone else in it, and I found, at

689
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: least for me, it's just so deadly like if I

690
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: start comparing, like why why can't I wedge it like

691
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: Karen Smith or or public Karon Smith or or I mean,

692
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: he does so many things really well, and it's just

693
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: like you can get in this hole where it's like

694
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: I'm not good, and then you start forgetting what you

695
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: do well. And so yes, there's a time and a

696
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: place for picking things that they do and asking them

697
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: questions and trying to absorb as much information and maybe

698
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: learn a shut or two. But at the same time,

699
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: I think it's really important to also realize what you

700
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: do and kind of stick to your game plan and

701
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: your way that you operate around the both course and

702
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: keep that kind of.

703
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: Close to home, because I've gone.

704
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: Both ways and disappeared off down a rabbit hole where

705
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: it's like I'm just not built to do that, or

706
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't understand how to do that. Now maybe down

707
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: the road I will, but just no, so let me

708
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: not compromise everything that I'm doing just to try and

709
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: figure out something that someone else is doing. So that

710
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: comparison thing is is I've got to be very careful

711
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: of that, but you can definitely learn a lot.

712
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: So three live teams. Last year you were on torqu yep,

713
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: you're on.

714
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: I was on iron Heads, I believe at one point,

715
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: and then I think I started on Smash but she won,

716
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: was the captain for Smash. Yeah, something like that.

717
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: That was before Brooks came Well brooksk.

718
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: So now we cut to the chase twenty twenty three.

719
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: You go to the irons Heads, Kevin Nah, See Wan Kim, yourself,

720
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: Danny Lee four point seven million dollars this year. And

721
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: if I'd have told you last year, Scott that you

722
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: were going to have the year that you've had on

723
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: Live this year, because I don't think again, Yes, there's

724
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot of money that live in the Saudis have

725
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: been brought into professional golf. And yes, you can make

726
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: the argument that guys like DJ and Brooks and Phil

727
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: and Bryson that they didn't need that kind of money

728
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: anyway because they'd already had these amazing careers and they

729
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: were already multimillionaires and.

730
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: Stuff like that.

731
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: That was not the case for you, Right, You're not

732
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: flying around net jets every week, you're not building you know,

733
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: twenty thousand square foot houses, right, that's not the golf

734
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: world that you live in. So to have this opportunity

735
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: to come to make almost five million dollars this year,

736
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: to be a full year on a live team, regardless

737
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: of which side of the fence people are that are

738
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: listening that, whether they're pro live anti live. Your experience

739
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: and what did you like about the opportunity and what

740
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: did you feel was different about the live opportunity that

741
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: was different than having full status on the Asian Tour,

742
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: that was different than having full status in Japan? How

743
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: is the experience different for people that are listening that

744
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: having been a part of.

745
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, I think for me the biggest thing is

746
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: that it's completely out of my comfort zone. Like I've

747
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: I understand Asia, I understand Japan, and there's a comfort

748
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: level to that. This this whole live thing for me

749
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: as a player and a person is it's very uncomfortable

750
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: because it's new territory.

751
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: You're playing in the US, you're playing big tournaments, huge

752
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: outside the US, You're playing probably in front of more

753
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: people than you normally play. For me, I mean they

754
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: get big, big crowds in Japan.

755
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But and the courses and the style of courses,

756
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: and just how demanding it is, just off the tee

757
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: into the green, on the greens, around the greens. It

758
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: was just more about am I going to embrace this

759
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: or am I going to kind of shy away from it?

760
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: And so we've been working really hard and just trying

761
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: to embrace these moments because as a player and as

762
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: a person, you're going to face these things that may

763
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: make you feel very uncomfortable throughout your life. And I

764
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: think this year, more than ever, I've embraced some of

765
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: that a little bit more and just kind of faced it,

766
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: which doesn't guarantee that you're going to pull it off

767
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: and do it perfectly fine, but it's going to help

768
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: you down the road. And so this year was just

769
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: facing a lot of those uncomfortable situations and moments. And Saudi,

770
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: for example, was a hugely uncomfortable week for me.

771
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: You know, as you go into the final individual round

772
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: or tournament of the year and Live was in Jedda,

773
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: the top twenty four guys on Live are guaranteed their

774
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: spot for the following year, and then everybody else kind

775
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: of goes into this kind of pool of players. Some

776
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: of the I mean, listen I think a lot of

777
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: people also don't understand the inner workings of Live. There

778
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: are players that have multiple year contracts, guys like Brooks DJ,

779
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: they're captains, they've got there, they've got contracts for a

780
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: long time. Someone like yourself, you're on a year to

781
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: year opportunity to try and keep your playing privileges. So

782
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: for you to finish in Jedda on Sunday and basically

783
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: play your way into another year on Live, it's a massive,

784
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: massive thing for someone like you at this point in

785
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: your career.

786
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

787
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like I was saying, that day was just

788
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable. One of the things that I've tried not

789
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: to do is look at the school board, look at

790
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: where I'm at. You know, I felt like I've played

791
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: really well this year, but looking back, I was around

792
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: thirty first, and thirty first. To get to twenty fourth

793
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: as a massive jump that you need to make going

794
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: into the final event and obviously have a great second

795
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: round where I'm now in the second last group, but

796
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: again I don't know where I stand over all, and

797
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what I need to do. And I

798
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: get pulled into an interview and the first thing they

799
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: bring up is you sitting right now at twenty fourth position,

800
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: and I'm like, great, the whole thing that I've been

801
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 3: trying to do the whole year, it just gets camp

802
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: is right there accidentally. But again it was perfect for

803
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: me because then I had to deal with that as well,

804
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: and so now I know exactly what I need to

805
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: do and where I need to finish. Now I've got

806
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 3: to go play the next day and sleep that night

807
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: and just deal with everything that comes along with that.

808
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: So No, Saudi golf course is tricky. It's tricky because

809
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: it's a desert style golf course. If you hit it offline,

810
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a good lie. It's wide open,

811
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: it's very very windy, and on Sunday when you shot

812
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: or under, it's blowing twenty to thirty. And you get

813
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: out on those holes near the water. Thirteen, it's always

814
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: haling off the right. There's water right, it's dead left. Sixteen,

815
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: it's always haling off the left. What did you learn

816
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: about yourself? Because then your back's up against the wall right,

817
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: So then you know exactly what you have to do, right, Okay,

818
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: So you know that if you're on the bubble going

819
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: into Sunday, So you're the twenty fourth guy. You know

820
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: that if you're inside the top twenty four next year,

821
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: you have full status on life, which is a huge

822
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: opportunity right now, the amount of money they're playing for

823
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: to have another opportunity to play, it's massive for someone

824
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: at this stage of your career, coming from where you've

825
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: come from, right, coming from the tours that you've come from,

826
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: playing where you've been playing. So how do you go

827
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: about that mentally because you're trying not to get caught

828
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: up in the moment.

829
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're trying everything you can, and the moment's there,

830
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: like you can't really avoid it. So again it's just

831
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: am I going to embrace this? Am I going to

832
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: learn from it regardless of how the result comes out

833
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: or shy away from it? So you know that night

834
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: was it was a tricky night to get good rest.

835
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 3: But again you kind of remember in your your bank

836
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: of memories that I've played well with not very much sleep.

837
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: So that's okay, And yeah, we just I just went

838
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: into the day exactly like I would treat it any

839
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: other day. Hit my routines take up half the putting

840
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: greed to do all my putting drills and then yeah,

841
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: just just cruise through the routines and play. And again,

842
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't look at school boards, or I try not

843
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: to because I find that just gets me caught up

844
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: in results and all over the place. So I'm just

845
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: playing and I don't really know where I'm at. I

846
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: just know that this is important right here, So let's

847
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: start it in. Let's the best shot that we can.

848
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: And we're not trying to play safe or push or anything.

849
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: We're just playing golf. And so I played amazing like

850
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: that whole day, and like looking back and dissecting that round,

851
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: it's like the cool thing was is that under those circumstances,

852
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: like a few more puts go in and it's like,

853
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: I'm actually at a chance where I could win.

854
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had it on the background, you had a

855
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: legit chance to win. I mean because the margins were

856
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: so tight. There was only really there was probably ten

857
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: or fifteen guys within like one or two shots of

858
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: a lead. Right, And it was a tough day Brooks.

859
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: That wasn't he was the leader. He shot zero the

860
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: day before. He didn't really have his best stuff until late.

861
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: We made puts when he needed to do. You say

862
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to yourself Okay, I've got a game plan, I've got

863
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: an idea of what I'm going to try and do.

864
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Did you have a target score in mind? Did you

865
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: have any of that or were you just basically saying, listen,

866
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm just taking each each each shot, each hole as

867
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: they come.

868
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, just each shot as it comes. For me, that

869
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: seems to be the best way to go. Didn't really

870
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: have a target number or anything, and it was just

871
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: less play because like so often is like the round

872
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: cannot start the way you want, but it can finish

873
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: even better than you expect, or vice versa. You know,

874
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: you can start off hot and then it can kind

875
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 3: of just get all funky and you just not really

876
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: finish and take advantage of the holes that you should.

877
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 3: So for me, it was just we just play. We

878
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: just played like this was going to be a great

879
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: day of learning, regardless whether it worked out or didn't,

880
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: and grateful it did. And it came down to Sergio's

881
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: part on the last hole, which I couldn't watch. I

882
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: don't want to be standing there wishing something on someone else.

883
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: I just got away and and eventually the news comes

884
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: that it was good enough.

885
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 4: So just amazing.

886
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that the team element

887
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: of live. They don't get it. They don't understand it.

888
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: They think it's a gimmick. They don't think it's real.

889
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Your experience of being on the iron Heads this year,

890
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: what did you like about it and what is the

891
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: team part about it? How is that different and helpful?

892
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: Maybe in a way that you didn't.

893
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Think it's a special bond. You actually like your team

894
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: is like your family in a way. Like the one

895
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: thing I really loved about the Ironheads and Kevin and

896
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: his captain Sye is he just he let us do

897
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: our golf on our own, like he knows that we're

898
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: all good enough and he doesn't need to coach us

899
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: and tell us what to do. He just let us

900
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: do our own thing, which I really respect and I

901
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: think that was great. But at the same time, he

902
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: could bring it in and we could go and play

903
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 3: games together, and we could compete and keep it fun,

904
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: and we went out for dinners, we hung out together.

905
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: It was you know, obviously a.

906
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Little bit like I'm guessing, like college golf again, a

907
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: lot to where you're traveling, kind of staying in the

908
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: same hotels. I mean, to me, that's one of been

909
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about the experience on Live,

910
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: which has been vastly different than the PGA Tour, is

911
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: it does feel a little bit Live. To me, feels

912
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: a lot more like when I started traveling in Europe

913
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: on the European Tour in the early two thousands. It

914
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: was a traveling circus. It was the same group of people,

915
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Asia's a little bit like that, because

916
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: you don't have this massive disparag difference between the superstars

917
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: and everybody else, right. I mean that's the thing in

918
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: the US that people don't realize the PGA Tour. It's

919
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: very different because the superstars, you don't really if you're

920
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: not a superstar, you don't see these guys, right, You're

921
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: they're certainly not on the same planes as you are, right,

922
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: They're not on you know, whatever airline you're taking, because

923
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: they're either flying with all the other superstars private, So

924
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: there's a big difference. And I think the cool thing

925
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: about Live for me is it does feel like a

926
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: traveling circus, like we're all big, one big family, and

927
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: that part of it's fun.

928
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so fun, Like we joke around together, there's

929
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: internal jokes, and then when you feel another member coming

930
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: and making fun of when you're defending them, and so

931
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: it's like, it's just an amazing atmosphere and I think

932
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: I think it's really cool and special and it's a

933
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: game changer because golf can be very lonely. You do

934
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: a lot of things on your own. It's an individual sport,

935
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: that's just the way it is. But this team thing

936
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: just adds a different level to it.

937
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: Do you watch as you're trying to not watch your

938
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: own score, are you watching the team score?

939
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching how the team's doing, seeing, hey, how's Danny

940
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: playing today? Okay, good, that's great. Let's you know, let's

941
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: see we can help out or whatever. And there was

942
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: something Danny talked about when he had his win in Arizona.

943
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: He wasn't worried about himself. He was just seeing how

944
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: the team was doing and we were moving up nicely

945
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: and that fired him up. So yeah, it's it's cool.

946
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: It's something else to chick well outside of yourself, which

947
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: is great.

948
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty four, do you reset your goals because

949
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: obviously now you've had two full seasons on lift, so

950
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: you played all eight the first year, you played fourteen.

951
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: This year you'll play a full schedule next year. The

952
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: mindset of going into that first live tournament in London

953
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: to where you get thrown in the deep end with

954
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: DJ and Phil and you're thinking, Wow, this is way different.

955
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Is the mindset now Okay I feel comfortable. Do you

956
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, twenty four is my opportunity to say, okay, now,

957
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe I feel like I can win, Maybe I feel

958
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: like I can win more than one time? Is that

959
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: the mindset moving forward? Do you adjust based off of

960
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: the two years you've just had.

961
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

962
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: I think overall, you know, there's still these big dreams

963
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: and goals that I have personally from a golf standpoint,

964
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: and so it's just about am I continuing to move

965
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: closer to those? And I think when I stopped trying

966
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: to learn and get better, that's when I think my

967
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: golf career is probably coming to an end. And I

968
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: think right now, I've just got tons of learning and

969
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: growth to do. You know, I'm always trying to find

970
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: ways to get better. I'm like this off season, I'm

971
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: so excited for it, Like I can't wait to see

972
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: the changes that I can make going into next year.

973
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 3: And I think, just for me, just I'm just trying

974
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: to get better each and every day. You know, we

975
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 3: can learn, we can grow, we can we can find

976
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: ways to improve, and that that's what I'm going to do.

977
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: We we do have some goals that we would like

978
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: to achieve, and I think people would call that crazy,

979
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: but I think I've got to shoot high, you know,

980
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: I've got to shoot for staff.

981
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: So we'll see that where that ends up.

982
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Lastly, you you pot with the flag in. I have

983
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: no idea how you pot with the flag it Fitzpat

984
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick Fitz does it? Yeah, you pot with the

985
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: flag in from every distance?

986
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

987
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: What I mean? Bryson, We've I've talked to his crazy

988
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: ass about this as well. The rest of us look

989
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: at that that aren't flag in putters and go, what

990
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? What is the thought process

991
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: behind the flag in?

992
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: I think it started in COVID when we had to

993
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: leave the flags in, and then I started hearing some

994
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: stats backing it up that you actually make more putts.

995
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: And then I started to find that it was something

996
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: smaller for me to aim at, and so aiming at

997
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: the pin smaller than the hole, and so it kind

998
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: of lucked in my focus a little bit.

999
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Never thought about that one and that one. Okay, that's

1000
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: that's the first real answer anyone's given me. Okay, all

1001
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: the numbers Bryson tried to give me all that bullshit.

1002
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: It was just like, you're crazy, right, But the focus

1003
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: from and I would imagine from three five those short

1004
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: range puts leaving the the flag in it does give

1005
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: you an extra focus that you're just going to try

1006
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: and hit the middle of the flag right in the

1007
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: cup right. You worry about it bouncing it out.

1008
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: It's happened one time, but from what distance.

1009
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: It was a longer putt.

1010
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: It was like a forty foot putt and it was

1011
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: forty miler, no wind, and it just timed it perfectly

1012
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: when it flag is ending back. So it's only happened once.

1013
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: If it does get really windy, sometimes I do take

1014
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: it out, especially on those shorter ones, but I think

1015
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: I think it's been good to me, so I'm gonna

1016
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: keep going with it.

1017
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Well. One of the cool things about talking to you,

1018
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why I wanted to talk

1019
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: to you, is I think over the last two years

1020
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of divisiveness with regards to live

1021
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: versus the PGA tour and the fans and everybody feeling

1022
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: like they're getting pulled in a lot of different directions.

1023
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: But I think one of the good, really cool, feel

1024
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: good stories about what Lives done has been your story

1025
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: and your journey. For a guy that didn't really plan

1026
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: to go to live, it kind of fell into your lap.

1027
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: You got an opportunity, and you really really taken advantage

1028
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: of this opportunity in it it has been life changing

1029
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: for you. And I said this to you earlier today

1030
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: when I saw you. One of the cool things is

1031
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: when you walked in to the clubhouse and Jetta, all

1032
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: of the players that had finished, all the caddies, everybody,

1033
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: everybody when you walked in stood up and clapped and

1034
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: because they knew that you secured another year that you

1035
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: can tell you know that doesn't happen anywhere else. Your

1036
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: friends that you play with, that you know in professional golf,

1037
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: on whatever tour you're playing, they're happy for you.

1038
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1039
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: But I think one of the cool things was to

1040
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: see the response of everybody on live from player caddy

1041
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: and all the people associated with it. They were also

1042
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: genuinely happy for you when you did what you did.

1043
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: In Saudi Arabia and secured another year of playing privileges.

1044
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: To me, that was something that was really cool, and

1045
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: I think everybody's really excited to see what you can

1046
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: do next year and listen with as hard as you work,

1047
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: and you're one of the hardest working people I've seen

1048
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: in a long long time. I mean, you put the

1049
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: hours in and I like the fact that I watch you.

1050
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm OCD, I'm a rule. I mean, I need structure, redvant.

1051
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: I take a lot of comfort in the fact that

1052
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: you and your caddie literally every week take up half

1053
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: of the putting green and it doesn't matter what the

1054
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: size is because you've got your process in your drills

1055
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: and you do them every single day. And I think

1056
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys I remember saying to DJ once

1057
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: about the fact that there wasn't a lot of room

1058
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: on the putting green and stuff like that, but he said,

1059
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of like the fact that

1060
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: kid does the same thing every time. So that process

1061
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: that you're going through, obviously it's working. I've just never

1062
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: seen anyone set up that many stations on a putting

1063
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: green at a professional event, but it's obviously working. Congrats

1064
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: on a great year and you really looking forward to

1065
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: seeing what happens in twenty twenty four.

1066
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 4: Clud yet appreciate it.

1067
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: So that was Scott Vincent, And like I said, I

1068
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a good story. I think, you know,

1069
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories around, you know, what's

1070
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: happened over the last couple of years, and I think

1071
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: everybody has been focusing on, you know, the money element

1072
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: of it, and a lot of you know, the war

1073
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: between PJ tourn Live and whatever side of the fence

1074
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: you're on on that. I think Scott talks a lot about,

1075
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, the decision he made, how it's impacted his life,

1076
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: and he now has opportunities to play in tournaments that

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Speaker 1: he never would have had opportunities to play in, and

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Speaker 1: as an opportunity to play against a pretty strong field

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Speaker 1: each and every week out on Live. Keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on him because I love the way he goes about

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Speaker 1: things and I like his game and I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: see what he can do in twenty twenty four. Thanks

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening. I know it took a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks off from the pod, had some technical issues, was

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Speaker 1: on the road, but I put a question out on

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Speaker 1: people that you all want to hear for the pod.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to try and get them.

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Speaker 1: We've got some great guests coming up over the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: And thanks for listening. It's always fun when I'm on

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Speaker 1: the road. I get a lot of feedback from people

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Speaker 1: saying listen, love the podcast, and that always makes me

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Speaker 1: feel really really cool. Son of a Butch comes to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.