Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode candaded spoilers for episode three of Daredevil
Speaker 1: Born Again, The Trial of Hector Ayala.
Speaker 2: You warn't Whoa. Be warned because there's some spoilers that
Speaker 2: you don't want to know until you watched it.
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Speaker 2: WHOA in today's episode in the airlock, you know, we
Speaker 2: do drag him occasionally, we say he's a bit of
Speaker 2: a hypocrite. But episode one oh three of Dead Evil
Speaker 2: Born Again showcases Matt's incredible talent as a lawyer and
Speaker 2: how his reckless nature can actually help out when most needed.
Speaker 2: So that's very exciting to talk about this episode. It's
Speaker 2: an incredible episode. We are also going to try and
Speaker 2: understand Wilson Fisk's moral line because he is another hypocrite
Speaker 2: in this show, and I can't quite work out what
Speaker 2: is okay and what isn't okay by him, So let's
Speaker 2: talk about that and a quick reminder. Our next book
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Speaker 1: First Airlock Okay Season one, Born Again Wild, Episode three,
Speaker 1: we open a court Matt is talking to Hector before
Speaker 1: their court appearance. Hector is clearly just a good dude.
Speaker 1: We see in another scene a truck pulling up to
Speaker 1: a salvage yard. This truck gets held up by some
Speaker 1: Irish gangsters who kill the guys in.
Speaker 2: The truck brutal. Just like no, it's happening.
Speaker 1: Wilson and Vanessa are discussing this. Their relationship is still
Speaker 1: very stilted and distant. Fisk tells Sheila basically to who
Speaker 1: brings news of this murderous truck hijacking, to go tell
Speaker 1: Commissioner Gallo make this case of priority. I want to
Speaker 1: stamp down on crime, and particularly gang crime, because I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody saying no. Look at Now that the
Speaker 1: kingpin is mayor in New York, gang crime's going crazy.
Speaker 1: Vanessa says, listen, the gang stuff, it's gonna get worse.
Speaker 1: They're all struggling to see who's going to succeed you
Speaker 1: as kingpin of crime and ultimately, like one of them
Speaker 1: will win, but only after many of them die. And
Speaker 1: Fisk is like, listen, I can't get of all this.
Speaker 1: I'm mayor now, don't worry about this street level stuff,
Speaker 1: Like we're about this fucking guy every time at court,
Speaker 1: Officer Powell, the crooked cop, threatens Matt in the bathroom
Speaker 1: and Matt.
Speaker 2: Threatens him right back.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, witness champering is a felony, that
Speaker 1: fellow officer, so you better watch out.
Speaker 2: I love this because the reason that Pound knows that
Speaker 2: Murdock has this secret life is because MC kicked the
Speaker 2: shit out him and his body like, and he's not
Speaker 2: looking good. I'm surprised he was alive, but I'm because
Speaker 2: they both.
Speaker 1: Have something on each other. Like the officer probably is like, well,
Speaker 1: what I'm out you to the bar and then you're
Speaker 1: in trouble and he's like, yeah, well what if I
Speaker 1: out you for attempted murder of a witness, then you're
Speaker 1: clearly investigator. Cherry walks past a punisher murle which was
Speaker 1: probably done by muse maybe well maybe maybe not maybe
Speaker 1: actually that one is just probably punisher fans anyway, and
Speaker 1: then deliver us right. He delivers a little baggy to
Speaker 1: witness Nicki, which is some drugs to just get him. Like,
Speaker 1: Nicky is addicted to drugs and in order for him
Speaker 1: to not be withdraw sick, he needs like a little
Speaker 1: something just to take the edge off the symptoms so
Speaker 1: he can the stand. Powell takes the stand. His face
Speaker 1: is all fucked up, and he testifies to his version
Speaker 1: of the attack in the subway, saying basically the hector
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and then he killed one of
Speaker 1: the cops. Matt does his cross examination, asks He's like,
Speaker 1: why is your face so fucked up?
Speaker 2: Somebody told me you got a black eye, huh.
Speaker 1: And basically makes a joke like yeah, it should have
Speaker 1: ducked or something like that.
Speaker 2: FoST hands fast Hans.
Speaker 1: He then asks about Nikki Torres, the confidential informant witness
Speaker 1: that Powell was just trying to murder, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know this guy Torres, You ever worked with him? Was?
Speaker 1: Did you ever meet with Torres? Where you meeting with Torres?
Speaker 1: That night in the subway. There's like a long pause
Speaker 1: where Powell's like, how do I answer this?
Speaker 2: He is not going to answer, and Matt absolutely traps
Speaker 2: him because he asks so many times that Powell's lawyer
Speaker 2: is like trying to signify to him like he's got
Speaker 2: something here, like just be like I don't remember, maybe
Speaker 2: I have lick with him. But instead Powell is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: don't know ever.
Speaker 1: With that guy. Whoever happens. Meanwhile, Matt overhears with his
Speaker 1: superhering his Daredevil hearing a cop in the gallery whispering
Speaker 1: to another cop, and this cop has a punish your
Speaker 1: tattoo on his neck whisper to another cop. Torres cannot testify,
Speaker 1: so Matt knows he's onto something. Cherry is moving Torres
Speaker 1: to the courthouse in an unmarked van, but there's other
Speaker 1: cops waiting because they need to kill this guy. But
Speaker 1: it's a bait and switch. The van is empty and
Speaker 1: Cherry has one of his associates moving Torres to the
Speaker 1: courthouse like in a regular taxi. Torres testifies, but he
Speaker 1: basically gets scared on the stand and is like, no,
Speaker 1: I never went I was not meeting with cops. I
Speaker 1: didn't go to that subway station. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. Witness withdrawn and dismissed. And this is a
Speaker 1: setback for Matt. Let's pause here to take a break,
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back after these messengers and we're back.
Speaker 1: But Cashman, an assistant to Mayor Fisk, meets with the
Speaker 1: gangs and he's basically like, listen, chill the fuck out
Speaker 1: with the murdering and the chuck hijacking and all the
Speaker 1: crazy gang activity. This is a real problem, and it's
Speaker 1: a problem for Mayor Fisk, and the boss is the
Speaker 1: crime gang leaders are like, well fuck Mayor fix and
Speaker 1: he gets to like call the shots. We don't like you,
Speaker 1: we don't like Mayor Fisk.
Speaker 2: But I do love that he was like, you are
Speaker 2: gonna pay one point eight million dollars back, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna treat you like little kids. I was definitely like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, is he just going to kill them?
Speaker 2: Like is this bullet coming out? Like is it happening?
Speaker 2: But no, he is obviously paw of Wilson, Fisk and
Speaker 2: Vanessa's new I love the way that that like, you know,
Speaker 2: send the man down here, and he said, I don't
Speaker 2: work for the man. I work for the man. So
Speaker 2: he said, that's still Kingpin, So you about to watch yourself.
Speaker 1: At McDuffie and murdochs our friends are plotting their next
Speaker 1: move in the I Alley case. Maybe there's a paper
Speaker 1: trail proving that Torre has worked with Powell and the
Speaker 1: other officers and they can't find anything. Matt's basically at
Speaker 1: the moves. Hector testifying and seeming believable, is maybe all
Speaker 1: that they have, like show like get him up there
Speaker 1: and hopefully he seems innocent. Meanwhile, king Pin and Vanessa
Speaker 1: are continuing to have sessions with Heather. There are a
Speaker 1: couples therapy sessions. We go back to court. Hector testifies
Speaker 1: to his side of the story, which is he happened
Speaker 1: upon him mugging, and he broke up the mugging, and
Speaker 1: one of these muggers slipped and fell into the railway
Speaker 1: track and it turned out that that guy is a cop,
Speaker 1: and that in fact, that he was breaking up some
Speaker 1: sort of cop event, and that the mugging victim is fled.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know where he went. Matt, then, going back
Speaker 1: on his earlier discussion with the judge and with Prosecutor Hackenberg,
Speaker 1: pulls out the white tire rask it goes Hector, I
Speaker 1: ella would not have just attacked criminals or cops or whoever,
Speaker 1: because he is the white tiger.
Speaker 2: Yes or no?
Speaker 1: Hector? Are you the white tiger? And the judge again,
Speaker 1: heads up?
Speaker 2: Could have given Hector heads up? My friend? This was
Speaker 2: I love Matt. He's so crazy.
Speaker 1: He was desperate, and I think he thought Hector would
Speaker 1: say no. But I still am like, you gotta tell
Speaker 1: your client.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta tell the client. But you know, as
Speaker 2: Matt makes a point, there is no other route to
Speaker 2: go when they just decimated your whole argument by having
Speaker 2: the guitars and this way. I love that Matt says this,
Speaker 2: but he's like, you know him when the judge calls
Speaker 2: into the chambers and he's like, bro, what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Matt's like, look, I didn't want you to suppress it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring it up like they tampered with
Speaker 2: my witness, so I had to do it. But he's like,
Speaker 2: being the white Tiger is actually like it speaks to
Speaker 2: his character and why he would have got involved in
Speaker 2: this fight. And I was like, okay, so Matt's also
Speaker 2: weirdly kind of he's putting himself on trial, like it's
Speaker 2: very much about the nature of being a big vigil
Speaker 2: being a vigilante and arguing that in the wake of
Speaker 2: Fisk's anti vigil anti platform, which rhymes very nicely when
Speaker 2: I say it, I just realized, but his anti vigilanti
Speaker 2: platform means that Matt is here arguing Yeah, sure for Hector,
Speaker 2: but also for the role of mass vigilantes in this
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: Various people who have been saved or otherwise helped by
Speaker 1: the White Tiger testify on Hector's behalf. It is all
Speaker 1: very effective. Then Matt introduces police reports showing that in fact,
Speaker 1: not only has White Tiger helped regular people's helped cops
Speaker 1: on a lot of occasions with their cases. He's a
Speaker 1: good guy who protects the week, has no malice towards cops,
Speaker 1: and he's helped some cops.
Speaker 2: So what now?
Speaker 1: And then he points out Hector was there that night
Speaker 1: without his amulet, that he was not, in other words,
Speaker 1: not armed and dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not in costume, not armed with an emotional that's
Speaker 2: magical amulet.
Speaker 1: Guys, he was not looking for trouble that night.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm yeah. Because Also, I just I like the
Speaker 2: idea that Matt brought this up, because he's like, if
Speaker 2: he wanted to kill the cops, wouldn't he wear the magic?
Speaker 2: I do just want to say, guys, I know this
Speaker 2: is a reach, but I also know that they would
Speaker 2: not put this in if they didn't want us to talk.
Speaker 2: We know this is very famously a show that set
Speaker 2: in New York, and Jason, we get a lot of
Speaker 2: Red Hook mentions this episode, so I'm very excited for
Speaker 2: you to potentially dig into Red Hook in a future omnibus.
Speaker 2: But they when he's listing out all the different people
Speaker 2: that White Tiger helped, he mentions Officer Morales, and I
Speaker 2: think we are supposed to wonder whether or not that
Speaker 2: is Miles that in this un I think, and I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 1: I love that we go to final arguments, the jury
Speaker 1: fives Hector not guilty. Fisk is unhappy because he's made vigilantes,
Speaker 1: you know, like the number one issue of his mayoral reign.
Speaker 1: So he's like, Dan, go get your friend BB Urich.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give her an exclusive. Meanwhile, Matt cooks
Speaker 1: a victory dinner for Heather. Bbie arrives at the Mayor's
Speaker 1: office and Fisk tells her, listen to this verdict is
Speaker 1: a travesty. I know it was a jury trial, but
Speaker 1: Juri's get shit wrong and the jury is wrong, the
Speaker 1: court was wrong. This is fucked up. I should know
Speaker 1: as a victim of not just vigilantes but also the
Speaker 1: system I was. I'm a victim of those things.
Speaker 2: He's like, I was probably convicted incorrect.
Speaker 1: Crimes. Also killed your uncle, which you don't know about,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep that secret to myself.
Speaker 2: I really love the way they're using bb in this show.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about the great kind of chapter,
Speaker 2: kind of bookends or introductions that the things pose. I
Speaker 2: felt like they were really given like Larry Clark kids vibes.
Speaker 2: It felt very naturalistic. And I love that she is
Speaker 2: not afraid. When she sits in front of Kinkin and
Speaker 2: he's talking about Hector Iola is a murderer. He's a criminal.
Speaker 2: She keeps checking him and being like, no, he had
Speaker 2: a jury trial, he's innocent.
Speaker 1: And we see his.
Speaker 2: King he's like, fuck that. I decide it's law very
Speaker 2: resonant when you're living in America in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: surprisingly prescient. But this is such a great moment because
Speaker 2: he's doing this kind of really intense monologue about cracking
Speaker 2: down and how you know this can't be we can't
Speaker 2: let people like hector on the streets. And as that's
Speaker 2: going on, we get to the final scene, Jason, what happens?
Speaker 1: Well, Victor is walking down the street and she's ready
Speaker 1: for action, even though Matt did tell him, listen, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to You probably are gonna have to stop
Speaker 1: the white tiger stuff now because everybody knows your right
Speaker 1: and he said no, but he's like, fuck it. I'm
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 2: It's a calling, bro, I got my magical ambula.
Speaker 1: I'm made for this. Someone steps out of the shadows,
Speaker 1: puts a gun to his temple and blows him away.
Speaker 1: And that person we see is wearing a bulletproof vest
Speaker 1: with a punisher logo painted on it. And we'll be
Speaker 1: right back after a quick brick.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you it simply cannot be Frank Castle.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely isn't Frank Castle, he is himself a vigilante,
Speaker 2: though I will say I did think they added an
Speaker 2: interesting rinkle hair because in the comics, Frank really hates
Speaker 2: people who kill cops. So I think that it is
Speaker 2: You're supposed to think, because we know that John Bernhall's
Speaker 2: coming back and we know Punisher is going to be
Speaker 2: you are supposed to think it's him. But I think
Speaker 2: that we can definitively say it's absolutely not him. He
Speaker 2: is a guy who's motivated by revenge for his family
Speaker 2: for stopping criminals shooting a family man in the head
Speaker 2: who's just been exonerated. I don't think it's him, but
Speaker 2: as we know with the Punisher neck tattoos, the Punisher
Speaker 2: risk tattoos, there is a Punish a Cop gang, and
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the members of the
Speaker 2: Punish a Cop Gang who works for FISC. And I
Speaker 2: think that in the next episode or the next few episodes,
Speaker 2: I think we will learn that this symbol is being
Speaker 2: used by the gangs, and I believe that we may
Speaker 2: find that Frank does not want to use that logo anymore.
Speaker 2: That's my guess, because I think he's gonna think it's
Speaker 2: being appropriated in a really dangerous way. I also have
Speaker 2: to say, we saw that funny ass you know, it's
Speaker 2: a punisher low Go painted on the wall that says triggered,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like, do they have
Speaker 2: the juice? But actually I think they have the juice
Speaker 2: because I think that more show that's like a cop
Speaker 2: that's obviously a cop symbol saying hey, if you see this,
Speaker 2: are you triggered? Are you triggered? I think it speaks
Speaker 2: a lot to the wider conversation this show is trying
Speaker 2: to have. I mean, I thought this episode was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It moved me the first time I watched it. When
Speaker 2: that final episode happened, I gasped out loud, like I
Speaker 2: was absolutely shocked. The heck didn't survive. They build you
Speaker 2: up to care about I think He's like a great episode.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to see him and Matt in action
Speaker 2: fighting together, you know, but I don't think that we're
Speaker 2: necessarily gonna see that. I also think that it's really
Speaker 2: great to see Matt as a functioning lawyer who cares
Speaker 2: about the law. Who is it He didn't use his
Speaker 2: you know, magical hearing to do anything dodgy or corrupt
Speaker 2: here he used it for good. He rept Hector based
Speaker 2: on the fact he believed he was innocent. And I
Speaker 2: think that if this was made up of and I
Speaker 2: think we can at least say it partially was from
Speaker 2: what we know in the fact that hect Ayala was
Speaker 2: announced years ago for this project. I think this is
Speaker 2: probably what the meat of the original Dare Devil series
Speaker 2: was the one that got pulled. I think that there
Speaker 2: is a version of this where it was probably a
Speaker 2: few episodes of Hector in Court. I would have loved
Speaker 2: to see it because I thought this was very effective.
Speaker 2: But I also think part of the thing that has
Speaker 2: been so effective for me in this series is it's
Speaker 2: very comic book. Wilson Fisk is just the mayor that's happening.
Speaker 2: It's happening in one issue and you're dealing with it. Uh.
Speaker 2: Hect Ayala great guy, vigilante, but he is getting killed
Speaker 2: at the end of this episode, after we go through
Speaker 2: his trial. They are speed running this, but in a
Speaker 2: way that doesn't feel rushed. And I thought Matt revealing
Speaker 2: the white Tiger mask was such a good surprise. I
Speaker 2: didn't see it coming, and I loved having the people
Speaker 2: in court on the record speaking about what vigilanteism means
Speaker 2: to them. I think that will come back again.
Speaker 1: Question. There are all these shots this one per episode,
Speaker 1: last couple episodes where we see Wilson Fisk's knuckles all
Speaker 1: bruised up. He's been punching stuff, he's.
Speaker 2: Been what's he doing stuff?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that especially in this episode,
Speaker 2: they do that great cut from Fisk's knuckles to Matt's,
Speaker 2: and I think the implication there is once again like
Speaker 2: what are these two men doing? How do they go
Speaker 2: about doing it? I wonder if Fisk has either been training,
Speaker 2: because he did talk a lot about to Matt about
Speaker 2: losing weight, having a lighter step, like wanting to be
Speaker 2: more in control of his body. And I would be
Speaker 2: interesting to see if we're going to get a big
Speaker 2: Kingpin fight sequence, or he himself, you know, has been
Speaker 2: beaten on people. That's I think It's like, I think
Speaker 2: they mostly did it for the matter of it all,
Speaker 2: because ever since the end of the first episode, we're
Speaker 2: getting a lot of aren't they the same? Don't they
Speaker 2: both pursue things in the same way. I'm interested to
Speaker 2: know and to see who Fisk is beating on. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that will be a big reveal when they finally
Speaker 2: kind of touch on it. What do you think I.
Speaker 1: Agree with all of that. I think it's either a
Speaker 1: allusion to the inner turmoil of like Fisk trying to
Speaker 1: be the go straight mayor while harbor still harboring these
Speaker 1: very very violent tendencies and taking them out on something.
Speaker 1: Or he's got someone like a gang leader. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is has somewhere and he's I was wondering that ship.
Speaker 2: If he's like he's like going down there and that's
Speaker 2: his true therapy when he goes down these guys who
Speaker 2: betrayed something like that. Yeah, I do think that could
Speaker 2: definitely be. It almost like he has like a secret
Speaker 2: kind of torture room where that's why that's his punching bag.
Speaker 2: You know we've seen the end of this episode was
Speaker 2: so brutal, you know what It really reminded me of
Speaker 2: And I know we talk about this episode a lot
Speaker 2: because it is so effective. I think the way they
Speaker 2: ended the episode and the fact that at the end
Speaker 2: of this episode they chose not to have any music
Speaker 2: and instead had the sound of the frogs that Hector
Speaker 2: was talking about. Yeah, from Puerto Rico. It was very
Speaker 2: when Jamie gets his hand cut off in Game of Thrones, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, this kind of huge shot and then it gives
Speaker 3: you a quiet When I heard the frogs, I actually
Speaker 3: like teared up because I loved the implication that, like,
Speaker 3: that's what.
Speaker 2: Hector would hear after he died, that's where he wants
Speaker 2: to be. But it also gives us time to process
Speaker 2: what we've just seen, which is a really brutal and
Speaker 2: horrible thing and something that I think political violence and
Speaker 2: violence towards people who stand up against corrupt governments. That's
Speaker 2: again very scary, very real right now. So I have
Speaker 2: to say I really was. I loved the first two episodes.
Speaker 2: They were so fun, they were so action packed. But
Speaker 2: this episode reminded me why Dead Evil was such a
Speaker 2: huge hit in the first place, which is when it
Speaker 2: focuses on character and delivers something like this that is
Speaker 2: so heart wrenching. We meet Hector's wife, we meet Hector's daughter.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping one of them will take on the white
Speaker 2: tiger mantle. There has been female white tigers in the comics. Also,
Speaker 2: the magical Amula is still there, and I have to
Speaker 2: say surprising no one. I fucking love the magical amula.
Speaker 1: I love it everything.
Speaker 2: I just laughed because I'm like, you're gonna have Matt
Speaker 2: Murdoch in a court of law talking about, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't have his magical amleola that gives him great
Speaker 2: power and strength. But then you're also making me cry
Speaker 2: in like a really politically resonant storyline. That is a
Speaker 2: true skill. And I love how they're blending and building
Speaker 2: in these more superheroic, more MCU moments. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was absolutely cracking up watching this because there is a
Speaker 2: Jack Kirby Black Panther story that Nick is very fond of,
Speaker 2: so I know it very well about these magical frogs
Speaker 2: that people use to teleport, and they're and they're also
Speaker 2: like mechanical. The moment he said frogs, we were like
Speaker 2: freaking out. We were like, are they gonna do it?
Speaker 2: The teleporting frogs? Obviously they didn't go that deep, but
Speaker 2: it's very fun to see them kind of acknowledge the
Speaker 2: fact that in this era of New York and the MCU,
Speaker 2: some people have magical amulets, some people have chatari check,
Speaker 2: people have the stuff that makes it easier for them
Speaker 2: to fight crime, and as we know from watching You
Speaker 2: Know the great Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man series, that
Speaker 2: is also something that is going on in the real MCU.
Speaker 2: We saw that in Tom Hollands MCU. There are people
Speaker 2: getting this tech, whether it's you know tech that Shoka
Speaker 2: used or whether it's tech that the incredible Michael Douglas
Speaker 2: used in the first movie. Like, I think that there
Speaker 2: is some really interesting balancing going on for the magic elements,
Speaker 2: the cosmic elements, and the brutal violence that Dead Devil
Speaker 2: is no More. I was really shocked.
Speaker 1: I'm the way that connecting Daredevil to the wider MCU
Speaker 1: is really effective with a it's a great light touch. Rosie,
Speaker 1: you made a list of some good comics for folks
Speaker 1: who want to see Matt in action as a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there's some really fun ones. I've written about
Speaker 2: this quite extensively. During the Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe,
Speaker 2: you do get to see Matt playing the Punisher's lawyer,
Speaker 2: which is also great. But throughout history he has really
Speaker 2: done a great job playing the lawyer to some of
Speaker 2: the most wild characters in the MCU. In Sins of
Speaker 2: the Fathers, he is playing it to Spider Man, like
Speaker 2: protecting Spider Man's rights for privacy so people don't get
Speaker 2: to know who he is. We get the Incredible Hulk
Speaker 2: issue one point fifty two Hulks arrested and it's this
Speaker 2: huge plot line where essentially, in a very clever twist,
Speaker 2: Matt argues that the Hulk is mentally incompetent to stand
Speaker 2: trial and he proves it, and there is some early
Speaker 2: stuff in Da Devil number seven. This is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite ones where he is a good classic at
Speaker 2: Wallywood story where basically I love this arc. I love
Speaker 2: this issue so much. It's so clever. Basically, nay More
Speaker 2: asks him to sue humanity and Matt is obviously like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it, like I am a
Speaker 2: human bad choice. Name More recks everything, and it is
Speaker 2: actually just completely delightful to see Matt Murdoch kind of
Speaker 2: come to terms with the fact that maybe he made
Speaker 2: the wrong choice, and in the end name More on
Speaker 2: him become friends. But remember name Or used to be
Speaker 2: like a real human hater, so I do understand that's point,
Speaker 2: but I love it. We also in Spider Man Black Cat,
Speaker 2: Matt gets to be Felicia Hardy's new lawyer, and that's
Speaker 2: really interesting because him and you know, ladies love Matt
Speaker 2: Murdoch and while she is sitting in Rikers Island, Matt
Speaker 2: you know, decides to represent her. But it's very hard
Speaker 2: to represent people in the MCU, so him and Spider
Speaker 2: Man do actually, you know, break her out that time.
Speaker 2: But I'm all for breaking people out of Ryker's Island.
Speaker 2: Another really fun one that I think people will enjoy
Speaker 2: is that that in nineteen ninety seven there's a Venom
Speaker 2: on Trial mini series that's really fun where he basically argues,
Speaker 2: and I think I would love to see something like
Speaker 2: this in the MCU. I think you could really drill
Speaker 2: down into bringing Eddie Brock and Venom into the MCU
Speaker 2: without having to rely on the wild craziness in the
Speaker 2: fact that he's like a multi mass murderer, where Matt
Speaker 2: essentially argues that the Symbia is culpable for the crimes
Speaker 2: and not Eddie. And I think that's really really interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, he's represented. Captain America would say those are
Speaker 2: some good ones to start with, but also we've recommended
Speaker 2: it a lot here. The Charles Saul Dead everyone is
Speaker 2: really fantastic for this because, yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: lawyer and because Charles Saul is a lawyer, so you
Speaker 2: get he was a lawyer. So those are really really fun,
Speaker 2: good spaces that Matt has protected people. There's also a
Speaker 2: lot of fun Matt and she hooks stuff, which is
Speaker 2: why they brought that into the show. And yet so
Speaker 2: just some quick, easy places to see Matt Murdoch doing
Speaker 2: a little bit of lawyering rather than just beating people
Speaker 2: to a pulp. Okay, Jason, just before we go, he's
Speaker 2: angry with Vanessa because she is like trying to bribe
Speaker 2: people and make the criminals all get along. But apparently
Speaker 2: he also ordered a hit on someone and just had
Speaker 2: him shot in the street. So where where where we
Speaker 2: think that? But we've seen We've seen this man kill
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we suspect that that's what he's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about his kind of moral
Speaker 2: compass in his arc in the show? Where do you
Speaker 2: see him going? Do you think him and Vanessa stick
Speaker 2: it out? Like a little bit of a prediction as
Speaker 2: we move into I think.
Speaker 1: I think that Mayor Fisk will continue his run as mayor.
Speaker 1: I think that they will be a confrontation over something
Speaker 1: some other thing, but that ultimately the battle will continue.
Speaker 1: Matt will still be a lawyer, will not be disbarred.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know that possible that he could be disbarred,
Speaker 1: and I think the Kingpin ultimately will think about I
Speaker 1: think the Kingpin will consider outing Matt as Daredevil, which
Speaker 1: is something that has happened in the comics a few
Speaker 1: times and something that the Kingpin has often taken part of.
Speaker 1: So I think that at the end of this series,
Speaker 1: the Kingpin will still be Mayor of New York, and
Speaker 1: I think that it's quite possible that Matt Murdoch is
Speaker 1: in a lot more trouble.
Speaker 2: Could also be very interesting to see that happen, and
Speaker 2: then maybe have him connect with Spider Man, who we
Speaker 2: know went through a similar to but is now forgotten.
Speaker 2: And Spider Man and Deed of are intrinsically connected. Guys.
Speaker 2: I know it seems crazy to say that, but I
Speaker 2: think this show is high quality enough that we could
Speaker 2: see a potential real MCU crossover aside from the great
Speaker 2: world building they're already doing. So yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: I thought this was a brilliant episode. I love to
Speaker 2: see Matt being a good lawyer. I loved seeing Hector
Speaker 2: Ayala white Tiger. That's such a cool version of the character.
Speaker 2: I thought he was brilliant and I just can't wait
Speaker 2: to watch episode four. I'm so excited same, It's very
Speaker 2: exciting great TV right now, Great day is happening.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned extra Vision as we continue to cover some
Speaker 1: of the great TV that's happening and some of our
Speaker 1: upcoming episodes. Monday, we're premiering a new game show, You're
Speaker 1: Wrong Friend, where we'll be debating in that particular episode,
Speaker 1: which maligned Marvel property is most worthy of rewatch. Is
Speaker 1: it Ah the Eternals or is it Marvel's The Devenders.
Speaker 1: Wednesday will review the ltimate episode of Severance episode two
Speaker 1: oh nine. We cannot wait for that one. And on Thursday,
Speaker 1: we've got another recap of Daredevil Born Again with episode
Speaker 1: one oh four. That's it for this episode, Thanks for listening, goodbye.
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