WEBVTT - Daredevil: Born Again Episode 3 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.920 Worrying. Today's episode candaded spoilers for episode three of Daredevil 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.440 Born Again, The Trial of Hector Ayala. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.000 You warn't Whoa. Be warned because there's some spoilers that 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.120 you don't want to know until you watched it. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.400 Hello, it was Jason Eccepsion and on Roseay Night And 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.360 welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.960 dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.600 culture coming over MYR podcast where we're bringing you three 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.960 big episodes a week, plus news on the weekend. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.519 WHOA in today's episode in the airlock, you know, we 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.000 do drag him occasionally, we say he's a bit of 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.000 a hypocrite. But episode one oh three of Dead Evil 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.680 Born Again showcases Matt's incredible talent as a lawyer and 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.920 how his reckless nature can actually help out when most needed. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.760 So that's very exciting to talk about this episode. It's 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.160 an incredible episode. We are also going to try and 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.959 understand Wilson Fisk's moral line because he is another hypocrite 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.160 in this show, and I can't quite work out what 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.199 is okay and what isn't okay by him, So let's 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.080 talk about that and a quick reminder. Our next book 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.600 club title is The Magician and the Alchemist's Gate from 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.440 Exhalations by Ted Chang. We will be covering that in 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.800 two weeks, so make sure you get your questions in soon. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.120 If you want to understand how a book club episode 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.480 is going to be laid out and how your questions 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.759 will be used, feel free to listen to our Dad 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.440 Evil Born Again book Club. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:44.600 First Airlock Okay Season one, Born Again Wild, Episode three, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.720 we open a court Matt is talking to Hector before 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.920 their court appearance. Hector is clearly just a good dude. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.440 We see in another scene a truck pulling up to 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.680 a salvage yard. This truck gets held up by some 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.360 Irish gangsters who kill the guys in. 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.320 The truck brutal. Just like no, it's happening. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.360 Wilson and Vanessa are discussing this. Their relationship is still 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:13.720 very stilted and distant. Fisk tells Sheila basically to who 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.760 brings news of this murderous truck hijacking, to go tell 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.840 Commissioner Gallo make this case of priority. I want to 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.959 stamp down on crime, and particularly gang crime, because I 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.079 don't want anybody saying no. Look at Now that the 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.440 kingpin is mayor in New York, gang crime's going crazy. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.960 Vanessa says, listen, the gang stuff, it's gonna get worse. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.240 They're all struggling to see who's going to succeed you 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.800 as kingpin of crime and ultimately, like one of them 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.080 will win, but only after many of them die. And 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.080 Fisk is like, listen, I can't get of all this. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.119 I'm mayor now, don't worry about this street level stuff, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.680 Like we're about this fucking guy every time at court, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.639 Officer Powell, the crooked cop, threatens Matt in the bathroom 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.880 and Matt. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:56.760 Threatens him right back. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.200 He's like, you know, witness champering is a felony, that 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.880 fellow officer, so you better watch out. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.720 I love this because the reason that Pound knows that 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.360 Murdock has this secret life is because MC kicked the 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.840 shit out him and his body like, and he's not 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:18.600 looking good. I'm surprised he was alive, but I'm because 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:19.160 they both. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.200 Have something on each other. Like the officer probably is like, well, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.280 what I'm out you to the bar and then you're 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:25.720 in trouble and he's like, yeah, well what if I 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.400 out you for attempted murder of a witness, then you're 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:35.240 clearly investigator. Cherry walks past a punisher murle which was 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.120 probably done by muse maybe well maybe maybe not maybe 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.119 actually that one is just probably punisher fans anyway, and 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.400 then deliver us right. He delivers a little baggy to 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.520 witness Nicki, which is some drugs to just get him. Like, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.080 Nicky is addicted to drugs and in order for him 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.440 to not be withdraw sick, he needs like a little 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.600 something just to take the edge off the symptoms so 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.000 he can the stand. Powell takes the stand. His face 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.200 is all fucked up, and he testifies to his version 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.840 of the attack in the subway, saying basically the hector 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.040 came out of nowhere and then he killed one of 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.560 the cops. Matt does his cross examination, asks He's like, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.920 why is your face so fucked up? 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.360 Somebody told me you got a black eye, huh. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.120 And basically makes a joke like yeah, it should have 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:22.680 ducked or something like that. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.320 FoST hands fast Hans. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:29.240 He then asks about Nikki Torres, the confidential informant witness 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.960 that Powell was just trying to murder, and it's like, hey, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.240 you know this guy Torres, You ever worked with him? Was? 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.120 Did you ever meet with Torres? Where you meeting with Torres? 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.599 That night in the subway. There's like a long pause 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.240 where Powell's like, how do I answer this? 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.880 He is not going to answer, and Matt absolutely traps 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.040 him because he asks so many times that Powell's lawyer 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.360 is like trying to signify to him like he's got 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.800 something here, like just be like I don't remember, maybe 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.280 I have lick with him. But instead Powell is like, no, no, no, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.320 don't know ever. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.360 With that guy. Whoever happens. Meanwhile, Matt overhears with his 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:10.599 superhering his Daredevil hearing a cop in the gallery whispering 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.159 to another cop, and this cop has a punish your 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.240 tattoo on his neck whisper to another cop. Torres cannot testify, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:23.479 so Matt knows he's onto something. Cherry is moving Torres 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.880 to the courthouse in an unmarked van, but there's other 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.599 cops waiting because they need to kill this guy. But 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.560 it's a bait and switch. The van is empty and 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.960 Cherry has one of his associates moving Torres to the 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:42.240 courthouse like in a regular taxi. Torres testifies, but he 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.039 basically gets scared on the stand and is like, no, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.839 I never went I was not meeting with cops. I 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.400 didn't go to that subway station. I don't know what's 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.920 going on. Witness withdrawn and dismissed. And this is a 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.040 setback for Matt. Let's pause here to take a break, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:14.839 and we'll be right back after these messengers and we're back. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:21.200 But Cashman, an assistant to Mayor Fisk, meets with the 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.479 gangs and he's basically like, listen, chill the fuck out 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.400 with the murdering and the chuck hijacking and all the 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.520 crazy gang activity. This is a real problem, and it's 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.200 a problem for Mayor Fisk, and the boss is the 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.919 crime gang leaders are like, well fuck Mayor fix and 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.800 he gets to like call the shots. We don't like you, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.600 we don't like Mayor Fisk. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.640 But I do love that he was like, you are 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.920 gonna pay one point eight million dollars back, and I'm 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.200 gonna treat you like little kids. I was definitely like, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:52.960 wait a minute, is he just going to kill them? 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.200 Like is this bullet coming out? Like is it happening? 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.960 But no, he is obviously paw of Wilson, Fisk and 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.360 Vanessa's new I love the way that that like, you know, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.480 send the man down here, and he said, I don't 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.160 work for the man. I work for the man. So 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.360 he said, that's still Kingpin, So you about to watch yourself. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.040 At McDuffie and murdochs our friends are plotting their next 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.560 move in the I Alley case. Maybe there's a paper 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.360 trail proving that Torre has worked with Powell and the 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.280 other officers and they can't find anything. Matt's basically at 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:29.680 the moves. Hector testifying and seeming believable, is maybe all 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.080 that they have, like show like get him up there 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.000 and hopefully he seems innocent. Meanwhile, king Pin and Vanessa 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.720 are continuing to have sessions with Heather. There are a 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.200 couples therapy sessions. We go back to court. Hector testifies 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.240 to his side of the story, which is he happened 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.920 upon him mugging, and he broke up the mugging, and 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.720 one of these muggers slipped and fell into the railway 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.840 track and it turned out that that guy is a cop, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.560 and that in fact, that he was breaking up some 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.000 sort of cop event, and that the mugging victim is fled. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.400 He doesn't know where he went. Matt, then, going back 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:09.600 on his earlier discussion with the judge and with Prosecutor Hackenberg, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.440 pulls out the white tire rask it goes Hector, I 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.320 ella would not have just attacked criminals or cops or whoever, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.520 because he is the white tiger. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:21.240 Yes or no? 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.360 Hector? Are you the white tiger? And the judge again, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.120 heads up? 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.200 Could have given Hector heads up? My friend? This was 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.080 I love Matt. He's so crazy. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.000 He was desperate, and I think he thought Hector would 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.280 say no. But I still am like, you gotta tell 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:36.800 your client. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.600 Yeah, you gotta tell the client. But you know, as 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.800 Matt makes a point, there is no other route to 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.760 go when they just decimated your whole argument by having 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.200 the guitars and this way. I love that Matt says this, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.880 but he's like, you know him when the judge calls 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.760 into the chambers and he's like, bro, what the fuck. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.720 Matt's like, look, I didn't want you to suppress it. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.840 I was gonna bring it up like they tampered with 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.720 my witness, so I had to do it. But he's like, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.280 being the white Tiger is actually like it speaks to 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.880 his character and why he would have got involved in 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.600 this fight. And I was like, okay, so Matt's also 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.320 weirdly kind of he's putting himself on trial, like it's 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.439 very much about the nature of being a big vigil 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.600 being a vigilante and arguing that in the wake of 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:30.120 Fisk's anti vigil anti platform, which rhymes very nicely when 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.240 I say it, I just realized, but his anti vigilanti 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:38.280 platform means that Matt is here arguing Yeah, sure for Hector, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:43.880 but also for the role of mass vigilantes in this 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:44.679 New York. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:51.560 Various people who have been saved or otherwise helped by 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.120 the White Tiger testify on Hector's behalf. It is all 0:09:55.240 --> 0:10:00.400 very effective. Then Matt introduces police reports showing that in fact, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.040 not only has White Tiger helped regular people's helped cops 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.400 on a lot of occasions with their cases. He's a 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.840 good guy who protects the week, has no malice towards cops, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.160 and he's helped some cops. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:12.800 So what now? 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.560 And then he points out Hector was there that night 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.720 without his amulet, that he was not, in other words, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:21.880 not armed and dangerous. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.440 Yeah, not in costume, not armed with an emotional that's 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:27.480 magical amulet. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.840 Guys, he was not looking for trouble that night. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.520 Mm hmmm yeah. Because Also, I just I like the 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.320 idea that Matt brought this up, because he's like, if 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.280 he wanted to kill the cops, wouldn't he wear the magic? 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.800 I do just want to say, guys, I know this 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.800 is a reach, but I also know that they would 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.600 not put this in if they didn't want us to talk. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.320 We know this is very famously a show that set 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.040 in New York, and Jason, we get a lot of 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.559 Red Hook mentions this episode, so I'm very excited for 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.839 you to potentially dig into Red Hook in a future omnibus. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.520 But they when he's listing out all the different people 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.120 that White Tiger helped, he mentions Officer Morales, and I 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.360 think we are supposed to wonder whether or not that 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.760 is Miles that in this un I think, and I 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.079 love that. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.120 I love that we go to final arguments, the jury 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:18.679 fives Hector not guilty. Fisk is unhappy because he's made vigilantes, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.800 you know, like the number one issue of his mayoral reign. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.520 So he's like, Dan, go get your friend BB Urich. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.280 I'm going to give her an exclusive. Meanwhile, Matt cooks 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.680 a victory dinner for Heather. Bbie arrives at the Mayor's 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.120 office and Fisk tells her, listen to this verdict is 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.000 a travesty. I know it was a jury trial, but 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.120 Juri's get shit wrong and the jury is wrong, the 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.679 court was wrong. This is fucked up. I should know 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.200 as a victim of not just vigilantes but also the 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.240 system I was. I'm a victim of those things. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.400 He's like, I was probably convicted incorrect. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:02.800 Crimes. Also killed your uncle, which you don't know about, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.600 but I'm gonna keep that secret to myself. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.560 I really love the way they're using bb in this show. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.840 I think we talked about the great kind of chapter, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.360 kind of bookends or introductions that the things pose. I 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.160 felt like they were really given like Larry Clark kids vibes. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.800 It felt very naturalistic. And I love that she is 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.880 not afraid. When she sits in front of Kinkin and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.640 he's talking about Hector Iola is a murderer. He's a criminal. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.600 She keeps checking him and being like, no, he had 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:28.959 a jury trial, he's innocent. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.200 And we see his. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.560 King he's like, fuck that. I decide it's law very 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.200 resonant when you're living in America in twenty twenty five, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.920 surprisingly prescient. But this is such a great moment because 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:47.240 he's doing this kind of really intense monologue about cracking 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.800 down and how you know this can't be we can't 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.440 let people like hector on the streets. And as that's 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.120 going on, we get to the final scene, Jason, what happens? 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:02.920 Well, Victor is walking down the street and she's ready 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.360 for action, even though Matt did tell him, listen, you're 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.679 gonna have to You probably are gonna have to stop 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.080 the white tiger stuff now because everybody knows your right 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.319 and he said no, but he's like, fuck it. I'm 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:13.679 out here. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.199 It's a calling, bro, I got my magical ambula. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.920 I'm made for this. Someone steps out of the shadows, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.040 puts a gun to his temple and blows him away. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.480 And that person we see is wearing a bulletproof vest 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:31.199 with a punisher logo painted on it. And we'll be 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:32.640 right back after a quick brick. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:47.360 And we're back. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.480 I'm here to tell you it simply cannot be Frank Castle. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.240 It's absolutely isn't Frank Castle, he is himself a vigilante, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.160 though I will say I did think they added an 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.920 interesting rinkle hair because in the comics, Frank really hates 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.679 people who kill cops. So I think that it is 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.000 You're supposed to think, because we know that John Bernhall's 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.959 coming back and we know Punisher is going to be 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.360 you are supposed to think it's him. But I think 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.760 that we can definitively say it's absolutely not him. He 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.880 is a guy who's motivated by revenge for his family 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.520 for stopping criminals shooting a family man in the head 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.160 who's just been exonerated. I don't think it's him, but 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.960 as we know with the Punisher neck tattoos, the Punisher 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.760 risk tattoos, there is a Punish a Cop gang, and 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.360 I think this is one of the members of the 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.840 Punish a Cop Gang who works for FISC. And I 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.040 think that in the next episode or the next few episodes, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.840 I think we will learn that this symbol is being 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.480 used by the gangs, and I believe that we may 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:50.600 find that Frank does not want to use that logo anymore. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.040 That's my guess, because I think he's gonna think it's 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.160 being appropriated in a really dangerous way. I also have 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.080 to say, we saw that funny ass you know, it's 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.680 a punisher low Go painted on the wall that says triggered, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.280 and I was like, I was like, do they have 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.160 the juice? But actually I think they have the juice 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.480 because I think that more show that's like a cop 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.440 that's obviously a cop symbol saying hey, if you see this, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.000 are you triggered? Are you triggered? I think it speaks 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.920 a lot to the wider conversation this show is trying 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.280 to have. I mean, I thought this episode was unbelievable. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.280 It moved me the first time I watched it. When 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.520 that final episode happened, I gasped out loud, like I 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.680 was absolutely shocked. The heck didn't survive. They build you 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.520 up to care about I think He's like a great episode. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.120 I really wanted to see him and Matt in action 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.680 fighting together, you know, but I don't think that we're 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:48.240 necessarily gonna see that. I also think that it's really 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.480 great to see Matt as a functioning lawyer who cares 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.480 about the law. Who is it He didn't use his 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.080 you know, magical hearing to do anything dodgy or corrupt 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.160 here he used it for good. He rept Hector based 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.960 on the fact he believed he was innocent. And I 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.600 think that if this was made up of and I 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.040 think we can at least say it partially was from 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.600 what we know in the fact that hect Ayala was 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.760 announced years ago for this project. I think this is 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.560 probably what the meat of the original Dare Devil series 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.880 was the one that got pulled. I think that there 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.120 is a version of this where it was probably a 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.160 few episodes of Hector in Court. I would have loved 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.040 to see it because I thought this was very effective. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.200 But I also think part of the thing that has 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.040 been so effective for me in this series is it's 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.480 very comic book. Wilson Fisk is just the mayor that's happening. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.320 It's happening in one issue and you're dealing with it. Uh. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.160 Hect Ayala great guy, vigilante, but he is getting killed 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.920 at the end of this episode, after we go through 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.120 his trial. They are speed running this, but in a 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.440 way that doesn't feel rushed. And I thought Matt revealing 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.320 the white Tiger mask was such a good surprise. I 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.840 didn't see it coming, and I loved having the people 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.640 in court on the record speaking about what vigilanteism means 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.320 to them. I think that will come back again. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.960 Question. There are all these shots this one per episode, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.879 last couple episodes where we see Wilson Fisk's knuckles all 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.560 bruised up. He's been punching stuff, he's. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:17.359 Been what's he doing stuff? 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:17.920 What do you think? 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.800 I don't know. I think that especially in this episode, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.800 they do that great cut from Fisk's knuckles to Matt's, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.720 and I think the implication there is once again like 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.639 what are these two men doing? How do they go 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.399 about doing it? I wonder if Fisk has either been training, 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.440 because he did talk a lot about to Matt about 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.240 losing weight, having a lighter step, like wanting to be 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.919 more in control of his body. And I would be 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.520 interesting to see if we're going to get a big 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.520 Kingpin fight sequence, or he himself, you know, has been 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.200 beaten on people. That's I think It's like, I think 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.120 they mostly did it for the matter of it all, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.560 because ever since the end of the first episode, we're 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.240 getting a lot of aren't they the same? Don't they 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.520 both pursue things in the same way. I'm interested to 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.359 know and to see who Fisk is beating on. I'm 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.160 guessing that will be a big reveal when they finally 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.760 kind of touch on it. What do you think I. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.840 Agree with all of that. I think it's either a 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.520 allusion to the inner turmoil of like Fisk trying to 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:25.760 be the go straight mayor while harbor still harboring these 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.920 very very violent tendencies and taking them out on something. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.359 Or he's got someone like a gang leader. Yeah, he 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.440 is has somewhere and he's I was wondering that ship. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.680 If he's like he's like going down there and that's 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.920 his true therapy when he goes down these guys who 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.040 betrayed something like that. Yeah, I do think that could 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.400 definitely be. It almost like he has like a secret 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.280 kind of torture room where that's why that's his punching bag. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.199 You know we've seen the end of this episode was 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.480 so brutal, you know what It really reminded me of 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.800 And I know we talk about this episode a lot 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.040 because it is so effective. I think the way they 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.800 ended the episode and the fact that at the end 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.879 of this episode they chose not to have any music 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.800 and instead had the sound of the frogs that Hector 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.080 was talking about. Yeah, from Puerto Rico. It was very 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.480 when Jamie gets his hand cut off in Game of Thrones, Yeah, you. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.520 Know, this kind of huge shot and then it gives 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:30.120 you a quiet When I heard the frogs, I actually 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.320 like teared up because I loved the implication that, like, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:33.960 that's what. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.879 Hector would hear after he died, that's where he wants 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.440 to be. But it also gives us time to process 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.000 what we've just seen, which is a really brutal and 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.040 horrible thing and something that I think political violence and 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:50.120 violence towards people who stand up against corrupt governments. That's 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.919 again very scary, very real right now. So I have 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.120 to say I really was. I loved the first two episodes. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.359 They were so fun, they were so action packed. But 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.119 this episode reminded me why Dead Evil was such a 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.760 huge hit in the first place, which is when it 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:09.959 focuses on character and delivers something like this that is 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.399 so heart wrenching. We meet Hector's wife, we meet Hector's daughter. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.240 I'm hoping one of them will take on the white 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.679 tiger mantle. There has been female white tigers in the comics. Also, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.480 the magical Amula is still there, and I have to 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.400 say surprising no one. I fucking love the magical amula. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:27.479 I love it everything. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.120 I just laughed because I'm like, you're gonna have Matt 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.359 Murdoch in a court of law talking about, oh, you know, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.880 he didn't have his magical amleola that gives him great 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.000 power and strength. But then you're also making me cry 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.879 in like a really politically resonant storyline. That is a 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:49.080 true skill. And I love how they're blending and building 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.359 in these more superheroic, more MCU moments. I mean, I 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.119 was absolutely cracking up watching this because there is a 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.719 Jack Kirby Black Panther story that Nick is very fond of, 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.679 so I know it very well about these magical frogs 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.600 that people use to teleport, and they're and they're also 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.280 like mechanical. The moment he said frogs, we were like 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.280 freaking out. We were like, are they gonna do it? 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.280 The teleporting frogs? Obviously they didn't go that deep, but 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:20.000 it's very fun to see them kind of acknowledge the 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.840 fact that in this era of New York and the MCU, 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.840 some people have magical amulets, some people have chatari check, 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.280 people have the stuff that makes it easier for them 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.800 to fight crime, and as we know from watching You 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.640 Know the great Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man series, that 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.520 is also something that is going on in the real MCU. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.159 We saw that in Tom Hollands MCU. There are people 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:46.440 getting this tech, whether it's you know tech that Shoka 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:51.840 used or whether it's tech that the incredible Michael Douglas 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.360