1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. We're coming to you between 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: episodes that we put out every Wednesday and Friday. 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We're going to talk 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: about some strange physiological neurological experiences, uh, the way in 19 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: which you can see colors, taste sound, and so on. 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: And then we're also going to get some insider information 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: about creepy activities in the sky. Uh. And then we're 22 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: also going to talk about some unfortunate hidden history that 23 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: is much closer to the modern day than a lot 24 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: of people assume. I hope that's a vague enough set 25 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: up without spoiling spoiling all our plans for today's show, 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: No spoils, No spoils. Our plans do include going to 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: the phone lines. And y'all know how it goes over here. 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: We're only a month behind what We're fine. We're gonna 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: jump to a message we got from Mike approximately one 30 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: month ago. Uh. It's right after we talked about a 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: story you brought to the table from one of our listeners, 32 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: been about New York City attempting to forcibly put its 33 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: quote mentally ill people who are living on the streets 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: into the state run facilities to do like a little 35 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: check in, right. That's all it was. Uh, let's hear 36 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: what Mike had to say from his own experience. Hello, 37 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: I was just listening to your episode about them forcing 38 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: mentally ill in New York and institutions, and I just 39 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: want to call in with my experience. I actually worked 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: in mental health in the nineties when they were closing 41 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: a lot of state hospitals down from Pennsylvania. At the time, 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: we were down to Force state hospitals, and even then 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: they had very limited beds. And he had asked about 44 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: experience as far as how that was dealt with in 45 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: other times areas. In my experience, where we had was 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the state had funded a lot of facilities in smaller, 47 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,559 Speaker 1: smaller rural communities. Um they had something called an LPSR, 48 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: which was essentially a many state hospital. They were funding 49 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: assistant living homes specifically for those with mental illness in 50 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: different smaller communities. And then they had something which was 51 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: called domicilary care, which is essentially foster care for adults, 52 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: and primarily that served a lot of people in them 53 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: with mental health problems. The other thing we saw quite 54 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a bit of, though, was when they closed down the 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: institutions in our smaller rural areas, we all would see 56 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: lots of people being shipped in from communities like Pittsburgh 57 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: and Philadelphia because we had a greater amount of services. Uh. 58 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: And while that did help, and I will say there 59 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: were a lot of good people out there, unfortunately we 60 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: saw a lot of abuses at the time too. A 61 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: lot of people took advantage of the funding that it 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: was available. We saw a lot of private and assistant 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: living facilities that would drop up that provided very poor care. 64 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: In terms of demissillary care. You could see a lot 65 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: of the problems that you oftentimes see at the foster 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: care system in terms of abuse and neglect. But unfortunately, 67 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: because they were mentally ill, people often didn't take them 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: seriously or really listen to them or getting into respect 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: they needed if they had complaints or problems. So it 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: was just, unfortunately a solution that just did not work 71 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: out well. And I'm kind of worried that that's what 72 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have now. I know in Pennsylvania now it 73 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: feels like our metal hall system is not quite as 74 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: well funded and it's very poor condition. Um, but if 75 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: you have any questions you'd like to talk more about it, 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: you can feel free to give me a call in 77 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: My name is Mike. Thank you for all you do. Wow. Uh, 78 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: just a little personal experience from Pennsylvania with somebody who 79 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: worked in mental health in the nineteen nineties. And there's 80 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: a lot of things in here that I believe we've 81 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: mentioned before on this podcast. When we looked back at 82 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: the history of how the United States cares for those 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: with what would be labeled mental health problems by mental 84 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: health professionals, and uh, you know that that history is 85 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: murky and pretty dark. But there are, as we always say, 86 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about stuff like this, very very good people 87 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: out there that want to make a difference, that want 88 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: to help, who end up working in facilities like ones 89 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: that were shut down, like new private ones that were 90 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: opened up, like different facilities that exist today. I just 91 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: want to, I guess, shout out Mike for you know, 92 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: telling us a little bit about that. And I wanted 93 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: to ask you guys a little bit if you had 94 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: seen anything like this in places that you've lived over 95 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: the years. Um, I don't have a lot of concrete 96 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: examples from from my life besides a couple of facilities 97 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: that I know for sure we're shut down in, as 98 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Mike said, the more rural parts of the greater Atlanta area. 99 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately a nationwide trend, right. This was part of 100 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: a a large move, and it could it happened state 101 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: by state, But I think the vast majority of people 102 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: familiar with the situation can confirm that a lot of 103 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: mental institutions were shut down, and they were. They were 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: governments supported mental institutions. Psychiatric hospitals would be the better 105 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: way to say it. And there was a great article 106 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: in The Atlantic which came out a few years ago 107 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that really dives into this and dives into some of 108 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: the perceived consequences of closing down these care facilities. One 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: of the biggest, most immediate consequence is is that when 110 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: people who need assistance or care like this are left 111 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: on the street without a support network of any kind, 112 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: they are going to tend to run into first responders 113 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: and law enforcement, many of whom are not trained to 114 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: deal with mental health emergencies. So this is an inter 115 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: generational problem. You can see a lot of reporting about this, 116 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: like tying, the tying, the closure of these facilities two 117 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: all sorts of terrible things. I saw an MPR article 118 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: that might be of interest that might could probably have 119 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: already read this UH that estimates more than eight million 120 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: people in the United States have quote serious psychological problems. 121 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: That's from a journal called Psychiatric Services. And no matter 122 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: how what the intentions were UH in closing these things down, 123 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: the end result is that there's physically not a sufficient 124 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: number of slots for people who need help to be it. Uh. 125 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: And you know what does this mean if we're talking 126 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: about long term consequences, what does this mean we're talking 127 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: about large scale events. Uh, it means a lot of bad, 128 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: inevitable things. And everybody can agree that these issues need 129 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: to be addressed and these people need to be helped, 130 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: but no one can agree how you know. My question 131 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: would be, do we think that the state should be 132 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: the primary force for supporting people in this regard or 133 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: should it um? What's the other argument? Should it be charities, 134 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: religious institutions, etcetera. I vote no on the religious front. 135 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm actually I think that might be a really good thing. 136 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: All the religions and they all just start bringing people in. 137 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: It's a way they would increase the number of people 138 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: in there. You know, churches on their holy days, on 139 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: their days of worship. Come on that you can grow 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: your flock and you can help people. You can actually 141 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: do real help in the world. Come on, why not? 142 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Why not? Everybody can tie whatever they're gonna tie. You 143 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: pull all that money and you use a good portion 144 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: of it to help people. I think that's what is 145 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: designed for. I think right, no cut some kind of 146 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: like Ubert Tithe. Yeah, yeah, I think. I don't know 147 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: that's a smart thing. Well, it's interesting the the range 148 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: of response we got from from you out there. I'm 149 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: gonna do a really bad job right now. Quickly of 150 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: describing what another caller said, they requested we not use 151 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: their name or voice. This person has experience in Ohio, 152 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio and a couple of different 153 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: cities there, and what they noticed is that it's kind 154 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: of a similar thing that Mike was saying, but maybe 155 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: a little different. This person saw people getting shipped from cities, 156 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: from larger urban areas into more rural areas, like shipped 157 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: out of the city the way we talked about on 158 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: this this previous episode where we mentioned this problem, and 159 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: this person firsthand, through her experience, saw a lot of 160 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: abuse of just from the situation of being unhoused right 161 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: or not having a place to live, being on the 162 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: streets and interacting with other people that are in the 163 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: same situation and many of many of the individuals dealing 164 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: with very different mental health issues right which she was 165 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: seeing violence quite often. She was also seeing violence against 166 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: people who were who were unhoused by those who were 167 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: not unhoused this person had basically seen a lot, and uh, 168 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: I felt like maybe it was the right answer to 169 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: have the state step in and give anybody who's just 170 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: stuck out on the streets a place to go, whether 171 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: or not that means providing them with medication that may 172 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: be necessary or just a safe place to be for 173 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, a certain period of time. They saw that 174 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: as a potential, real solution. I don't know, I just 175 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: wonder how everybody else felt about that. It's a complicated 176 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: issue for certain and uh, lives are at stake. So yeah, well, 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't it sort of just like a workaround 178 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: for you know, police and potentially a way to kind 179 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: of circumvent normal, um due process for individuals that it 180 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: may be undesirable. It's potential, especially in a large urban 181 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: area like New York City, right, um. Quite possibly. Also, 182 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: the prison system did after the after the the institutionalization 183 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: of the US, which is sometimes called like the Penrose theory, 184 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: we know that the prison system began to become the 185 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: ultimate home for a lot of people struggling with mental health. 186 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: Between seventy two and two thousand and nine, the prison 187 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: population exploded like seven percent. And that's a that's according 188 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: to a two thousand ten Q study and they're they're 189 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: pretty legit. So I think we can I think we 190 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: can trace a pretty strong line U in between these 191 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: closures and this destruction of support systems. But but again, 192 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: like you said that, it's a complicated situation that often 193 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: gets oversimplify, perhaps to some degree, because people don't like 194 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Now, it's definitely it can be. Yeah, 195 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: it's it's an uncomfortable thing to talk about, um and 196 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: often it leaves people feeling kind of helpless in terms 197 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: of how can we help some of these folks you know, 198 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: who maybe don't have a support system. But I think 199 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: we would all probably agree for the most part that 200 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: they should be receiving treatment, uh to some degree or another, 201 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: and shelter rather than just trundled off you know too, 202 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, be taken out of the population, you know, 203 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 1: and treated like castaways. H Well, you guys, I just 204 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: wanted to share feedback from people who were listening who've 205 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: had experience. So we've done that. We're gonna take a 206 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: quick break here word from our sponsor and we'll be 207 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: right back with more messages from you and we're back. UM. 208 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: So In our Our Strange News episode this week, I 209 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: talked about or I brought to the table, and we 210 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: all talked about UH story regarding AI art generation and 211 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: some of the controversy and questions surrounding that. Well, today 212 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about good old fashioned human art generation 213 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: using brains UH, and brains that some might argue possess 214 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a superpower UM or at the at 215 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: least a very different way of experiencing things, and how 216 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: some of these individuals can filter this different way of 217 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: experiencing things into interesting art and in ways of creating 218 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: art that maybe we wouldn't normally think of. UH. Brock, 219 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: who is is a great asset of the show, sends 220 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: us really cool articles all the time. UM didn't write 221 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: an email to sences really cool article. It was a 222 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: PBS news our. UH segments called artists used synesthesia to 223 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: expand their creative limits and UH and Michelle San Miguel 224 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: of Rhode Island Public Television UM presented this story where 225 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: she interviewed various artists that have synesthesia. UM. What is synesthesia? 226 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: You've probably heard of it? UH, and one of the 227 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: researchers interviewed for the piece, UM a guy by the 228 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: name of h Dr Richard uh Pytoic Citawic, who's a neurologist. UM. 229 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: He compares it to the concept of anesthesia, which I 230 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: th was interesting. I never really made that connection. Anesthesia 231 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: translates to no sensation. So synesthesia, he says, translates to 232 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: joined or coupled sensation. In other words, you experience things 233 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: on multiple levels. Uh. Some people here color or see sound, 234 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: or associate certain sounds with certain colors. You know, it 235 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: might be the sound of a cello for blue, or 236 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: the sound of a violin for green, or whatever it 237 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: might be, and then when you mix the colors together 238 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: can create varying shades of that sound. UM. One of 239 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: the first people that was interviewed in this piece was 240 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: an artist by the name of Alan Carlson who talks 241 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: about seeing numbers. UM. He says, I was probably five 242 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: and I started seeing numbers in color. The three was yellow, 243 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: five was red, zero was white, seven was sort of 244 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: a purply blue. UM. And she also talks about being 245 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: able to hear them and smell them. UM. So that's, 246 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, a side of of synesthesia that I had 247 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: never really considered before. UM. Lenny Peterson There's another artist 248 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: that was interviewed for the piece talks about being able 249 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: to uh see shapes and associated with different timbers of music. 250 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: You know, Um Lenny describes this way while they're in 251 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: my art and they're anywhere from a straight line depending 252 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: on the note, to all kinds of atmosphere within squares 253 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: in the circles. So you know, I mean a lot 254 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: of people are familiar with this concept of synesthesia. It's 255 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: often associated with geniuses, you know, throughout throughout history. Um, 256 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: like I believe dat Dostoevsky, Nabokov uh was was a cinnis. 257 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Theed um Lady Gaga is a cinnis feed Um. Duke Ellington, 258 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: I believe, the famous jazz jazz performer, jazz musician also 259 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: a set of tea and they come in all different shades. Um. 260 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: What I didn't realize is that this is a heritable trait. 261 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: This is not something that I had any idea about. 262 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was a very like interesting anomaly that 263 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: took place within individuals. Um, Ben has you heard about that. 264 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I know this is something that that you're particularly interested in, 265 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: this concept. Yeah, yeah, because I've I I also have 266 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: Santas the Asia Um, it's not widely understood, but it 267 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: is heritable. Like Nabokov, it was an amazing writer. It's 268 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: weird how Russian writers are so great in English. But 269 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Nabokov was actually kind of miffed when he learned that 270 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: although he had family members who also experienced synaesthesia, they 271 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: did not experience the same kind, or rather, they didn't 272 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: experience the same association. So if you have graph color 273 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: cinis asia, so colors and numbers or letters are associated 274 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: together in my mind consistently, and um, without trying, just instinctively, 275 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: that's what happens. Then you go to a family member 276 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: and you say, isn't it crazy how we both know 277 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: that three is a light blue and they're going, you're nuts. 278 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: Three is orange. So it's kind of depressing for a 279 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: novel Caov to learn that. And uh, it's it's weird 280 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: because a lot of people, I think, have phases of 281 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: sentence stasia at the very least. Sometimes it might be hallucinogens. 282 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes I would pose it that the experiences of sinistasia 283 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: are probably common to people during childhood. So would you 284 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: consider these things hallucinations? Oh, that's a good question. Um, 285 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. If I would necessarily, I don't know 286 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: if I necessarily say that, because in from what I understand, 287 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: most times when people are experiencing these things, it's an 288 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: internal experience, right Like you don't You're like, if you 289 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: have um certain visuals associated with the sensation of textures, 290 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to actually feel like your hand is hurting. 291 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: You'll have the sensations though you're touching you know, cotton 292 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: or silk or sand paper or whatever. But I don't 293 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: know a hallucination. That's a good question. What's the difference, 294 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, hallucination and a consistent association hallucination because it's 295 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: so consistent. I mean, it's I think it's an interesting 296 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: um way of thinking about it. And it's something that 297 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: this piece kind of delves into a little bit also 298 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: in terms of like, uh, well I'll just I'll just 299 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: go right to dr side to wik um. He says, 300 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: we're more familiar with famous artists who happened to be 301 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: synisthes than we are famous cynisthes who happened to be artists. 302 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: And it's a chicken and egg question of are they 303 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: artistic because they're syn aesthetic or are they syn aesthetic 304 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: because they're artistic. Um. He goes on to say that 305 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: he thinks it's the former because they're used to unusual 306 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: combinations and they've gotten comfortable with combining unusual things together 307 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: to make something different. Uh. And then the artist Lenny 308 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: Peterson that I reference at the top does exactly that. Um. 309 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: He describes it again to the whole question of like 310 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: is this you know something that you see? Uh. The 311 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: journalist Michelle sam Miguel asks, Uh, now these shapes appear 312 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: three dimensional in front of you. They're floating in the air, 313 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: to which Peterson replies, they're being created in front of me. 314 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: They're not like in the room. They're forming in front 315 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: of me as I listened to music. So wouldn't you 316 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: say that kind of sounds like someone who's seeing something 317 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: is physically or not physically you know, seeing something. I mean, 318 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: how else can you describe it? Like this is something 319 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: floating in front of this person in the air, and 320 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: the more I concentrate on it, the more they're going 321 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: to form, and the clearer they're going to form. But 322 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: then again, the idea of consistency, right, like if a 323 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: hallucination is um always happening, at what point does it 324 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: become just an association. That's a really good point. Then 325 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: I didn't think about that either, because you know, hallucination 326 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: is almost it's a little bit loaded, isn't it. It 327 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: implies there's something wrong or that you've ingested something that's 328 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: causing your neural path ways to get tweaked. Um, these 329 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: people's neural pathways, for lack of a better way of 330 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: describing it, are kind of perma tweets. You know, they're 331 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: just sort of born that way. Um, So at that point, 332 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: is it is it a hallucination or is it just 333 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: the way they see things? You're right, hallucination implies intermittent 334 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: or uh, inconsistent or associated with a particular drug or uh, 335 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, maybe even an injury, you know, m Yeah. 336 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: And and also you know, another thing we always talked 337 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: about when when we talk about this off air, is uh, 338 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: whether it is possible to teach sensation well, sort of 339 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: the way like Russell Targ talks about being able to 340 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: teach ESP. You know, Um Targ thinks that he can, 341 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: and he says he's done it. But but it is 342 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: a similar kind of question. I think, you know, you 343 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: usually think of ESP is whether you believe it if 344 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: you believe in it as something that someone's got kind 345 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: of innately in the idea of being able to cheap teach, 346 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: it is very interesting in a different way of framing it. Well, guys, 347 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: to me, it's it seems like physical wired connections up 348 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: in the brain to me, and not something that you 349 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: could necessarily teach. Although we have learned some pretty cool 350 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: things about folks who do a lot of meditation, right, 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: and how connections can be altered slightly and enhanced. So 352 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: maybe there is a way. I don't think you would 353 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: be as simple as you know, taking a class. It 354 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: would be like studying with a master kind of thing. 355 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. Well, even like people that 356 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: experience addiction and it, maybe they had to train their 357 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: brain to sort of, you know, course correct, and we 358 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: know that the brain and our pathways are elastic, you know. 359 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, I guess that's actually 360 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: a term that's used pretty regularly. Um, so maybe this 361 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: is similar, But I don't know if you can to 362 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: what degree can you can you train your brain to 363 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: like do this kind of stuff. Um. I just wanted 364 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: to wrap up with with the thing that I think 365 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that made this piece really interesting. 366 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: Um is the description by this one artist of how 367 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: they use their synesthesia to make unique art that is 368 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: specifically kind of rooted in that synesthesia. Alan Carlson, who's 369 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: another artist that was interviewed as a maker of abstract paintings. 370 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: She says that she likes to paint by mixing colors 371 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: together that have a certain smell associated to them, and 372 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: not the smell of the paint or some kind of 373 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: chemical smell that's physically bound to the substance, a smell 374 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: that comes from the color and um Carlson specifically refers 375 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: to certain shades that smell like low tide, which is 376 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: not exactly the most pleasant smell. Um. But this is 377 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: an artist who uh specifically makes work sometimes cluss with 378 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: using a palette that's clustered around a particular smell. So 379 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: whereas you might you know, create a palette based on 380 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: monochromatic tones or whatever types of blues, whatever it might be, 381 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: this is an artist that is clustering color is based 382 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: specifically on their you unique associations that that other people 383 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't experience. And what does that create, you know, for 384 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: others who are experiencing that is it kind of a 385 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: path into that person's specific experience by filtering it through 386 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: the things we can interpret, you know, I I don't know. 387 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating to think about. So this is 388 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: what Alan Carlson has to say about this. I started 389 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: to be able to pull in a whole family of 390 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: those colors that smelled that way. To me, it was 391 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: like an undercurrent in the whole palette. And so from 392 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: that I painted an eighty inch wide abstract landscape just 393 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: from the smell those two colors that came together. Uh. 394 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: And it happened very fast, so really cool. And I 395 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: love science that we don't fully understand, especially as it 396 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: pertains to art um And you know, with all this 397 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: stuff about AI art, I think it's really important to 398 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: emphasize the human aspect of art more than ever. Uh. Now, 399 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: so there you go. So now I'll take a quick 400 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: break and then be back with one more piece of 401 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: listener mail. And we have returned with some We got 402 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: a lot of feedback about the X thirty seven b 403 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: of mysterious ghost ship up there in orbit, as well 404 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: as some great reactions to sonic booms, which we mentioned 405 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: in a previous Listener males segment. Uh, here we go 406 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: with Toad. Toad rights into say, a long time listener 407 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and fan of the show, I just finished listening to 408 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: the listener male segment regarding Sonic Booms a little behind. 409 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: I know I had a sick kid, so I was 410 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: keeping up during commutes. Toad, we hope that your kid 411 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: is feeling much much better. We hope you're on the mend. 412 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: And Toad says this, this is one of the things 413 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: we love hearing the show. Toad said, I have some 414 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: involvement with US government, and there, of course some interesting 415 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: things about getting inside the circle of trust and knowing 416 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: the inside scoop on some of the topics from the show. Uh, 417 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of fun for me. And he said, one 418 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: aspect of being on the inside is knowing what secret 419 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: because it's truly dangerous to people or national security, and 420 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: what's secret because it's mostly embarrassing or would make people unhappy. 421 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: The issue around Sonic Booms generally falls into the latter category. Uh. 422 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: And then Toad goes on, We're not going to say 423 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: too too many specifics here, Toad. But Toad goes on 424 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: to talk about sometimes spent out on the West coast, 425 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: not working with sonic booms directly, but being in a 426 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: position where you would know who was causing them. And 427 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: they noted that we said, the government can't really cover 428 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: up booms and they have to say something about it. 429 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: Toad says this is mostly true. And then Toad points 430 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: out something we didn't mention. It's also true that transponder 431 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: codes that show up in public flight records don't always 432 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: correspond to the aircraft listed, so there can still be 433 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: cover stories that something that might be opera raiding and 434 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: causing a boom, if you look at the flight log, 435 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: it might be listed as something different. And and um, 436 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: he said, there's another thing that causes sonic booms that 437 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: isn't tied to flight records at all. Orbital reentry Space 438 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: Shuttle is a classic example, but there are other craft 439 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: as well as the open secret of the X thirty 440 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: seven B. It only takes minutes for deorbiting craft to 441 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: cross the width of the United States, since it only 442 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: takes about an hour give or take a bit to 443 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: orbit the whole Earth depending on distance. Pretty weird stuff, right, Yeah. 444 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: Stuff always makes me think of event horizon, like a 445 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: ship that's been a dark dimension and come back with 446 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: like demons. They're just remnants of some kind. I think 447 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: that's a cool movie. It doesn't hold up like you 448 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: might think. There are parts of it that are great 449 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: and parts of it that are really corny. But um, 450 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: I love the concept so much. I loved it too. 451 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: I think the only thing that didn't really hold up 452 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: super well was like the soundtrack. It wasn't It was 453 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: very of the time when I was listening back to 454 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: for sure. There's also that dude that kind of gets 455 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: shot out of the pod bay or whatever, and then 456 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: he ends up coming back. He's like, I'm coming back. 457 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: Mother does that? It's a little goofy. It's a little 458 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: silly goofy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could tell the It 459 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: went through a couple of different genres in the writing process. 460 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I talked to you guys off air about this, 461 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: but I right after we recorded that episode on the 462 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: X thirty seven B, I got two guests on The 463 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist, which was, you know, my first time, as 464 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: you guys have been on there as many many times, 465 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: good friends over there and Jack and Miles. They were 466 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: so surprised and weirded out when they learned about the 467 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: x thirty seven B for the first time while we 468 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: were talking about it. Uh, it's surprising and weird, just like, well, 469 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: this thing is real and it nine hundred days. What 470 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: it was really great? Yeah, called the ghost called the 471 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: space Ghostbusters exactly. Uh. And speaking of that, there is 472 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: one other thing, when to add from Toad that he said. Uh, 473 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: he said, you might be familiar with layers of the atmosphere, 474 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: but the dividing line or pauses between layers don't really 475 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: transmit sound. Well, so we have supersonic craft operating above 476 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: a certain level that dips below that level. It can 477 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: make the sound of a sonic boom for a short 478 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: period of time before it moves on. So it might 479 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: be a single flight that sounds like multiple events. And uh, 480 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: there's there's something else that he mentions. This is what 481 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: we'll share on air. Uh, Toad says, As mentioned before, 482 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: some of these craft are flying fast enough that they 483 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: might trace multiple flight paths across the US on the 484 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: same day, separated by only a few hours. Some maybe 485 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: de orbiting spacecraft, but they're also aircraft and good old 486 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: fashioned missiles too. Just how fast we can go, however, 487 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: is classified, so I can exact actually share that information. 488 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: I can say that China is playing catch up with 489 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: cutting edge military tech and they are working on hypersonic 490 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: cruise missiles as well, over five times the speed of sound. 491 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I know it's so weird because people like that's how 492 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: many secrets there are in these kind of fields. People 493 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: can just talk to us, right and preserve their anonymity 494 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, I confirmed some of the crazy stuff 495 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: in the sky. He gave us the inside scoop, and 496 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: I know we'll give you this a little brief. So 497 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: I was thinking, first, there's a clearing call to everybody 498 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: if you can share stories like this with us. More importantly, 499 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists, please let us know because this is 500 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: what this show is made to explore. And just so 501 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: we don't end with everybody wondering whether that's a top 502 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: secret missile flying over you. Let's let's go from the 503 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: inside scoop to the straight poop from Ricky. Yeah, no regrets, 504 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: no regrets, no quarter given when it comes to puns. 505 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: This is okay. You're gonna have to editor stuck. Uh, 506 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Ricky says, I can't remember which episode. You guys have 507 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: made this observation numerous times. What about how if you 508 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: can smell something on molecular level, you're also tasting it. 509 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: This also means everywhere, every day, all day, people that 510 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: fart with their clothes on are also technically in their pants. 511 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, but I guess by that's 512 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: my favorite curse too. But I really don't like someone. 513 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope every time you try to fart 514 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: pants just a little. Yeah, just a My favorite expression 515 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: for for doing a bad job on something is in 516 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: the bed. I don't know from what we've learned about tutes, 517 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: and you know when you smell them, you're tasting them. 518 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean that every time you too the high 519 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: road way to Hier, you're pooping your your shorts just 520 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: a bit, breeches, just just a tiny bit. Yes, yeah, 521 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: So I guess that our takeaway from that would be 522 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: stay humble, everybody, because even even Henry Kristinger, even Beyonce 523 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: or insert celebrity here, um, even even even the Pope. 524 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: The Pope's got some tiny poops. That's just thinking about 525 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: how much you like popes and popes, just remember that 526 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: she's got poopy pants. Yeah, yeah, Whenever you feel down 527 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: on yourself, whenever somebody's make you feel insecure, just in 528 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: your head, tell yourself in person has pooped themselves, they've 529 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: pooped a little bit. Nies was about get out of 530 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: my head. I was just about to say, I'm scared 531 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: to touch pennies. I can't handle it. That's separate from 532 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: the scarier Yeah, you know, that just makes it worst. 533 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: If anyone is to know what we're talking about, just 534 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: just google it. Maybe don't. I don't know. It's a 535 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: sketched on a price. It is a brigade where a 536 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: guy gets the upper hand in business because he's a 537 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: roll of pennies up his uh, his his his little 538 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: sebastian um every day or week for years, and so 539 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: he can assume that anyone he's talking to has at 540 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: some point handled his his butt pennies. I don't know 541 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: if you can call it the power move, but it's 542 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: definitely a move. It's a move, especially when you tell 543 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: them about it. At that point you're the crazy You're 544 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that really gives the upper hand at all. 545 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: It might just like totally turn people off remember wanting 546 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: to do business with you again. It's like it's like 547 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: cutting your hand before a fight. Starts to try to 548 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: get in people's heads, and they're like, well, if that's 549 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: what you'll do to yourself, what's gonna happen to me? 550 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, don't do that. We're legally required to tell you. 551 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: Taking pennies up your butt despite your face, you know. Yeah, 552 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a very pyric victory, but are very very 553 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: last one. Since we're nose pun left behind here, Tyler 554 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: writes and says, hey, guys, a long time listener here, 555 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: I just got done listening to the actual line of 556 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: control episode and I realized there was a missed opportunity 557 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: here to use the following line. I can't believe it's 558 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: not border, you know, because it's like a border, it's 559 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: not really a border. And then Tyler signs off with 560 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: your welcome, So I guess we owe you thank you. Customarily, 561 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: Tyler to thank you comes before they're welcome, but we'll 562 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: allow it, will allow it. And that's uh. That's that's 563 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: gonna be our listener mail segment for this week. But 564 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: we want you to join in. We want to hear 565 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: your ideas for new episodes. We want to hear your 566 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: personal experiences with cinesthesia. Were certain there's some out there statistically. 567 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: We also want to know your experience with the institutionalization 568 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: or the state of psychiatric care, whether consensual or forced 569 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: in the in the US, and you know what and 570 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: abroad to uh. And then of course always said this 571 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: with terrible terrible puns. Is that an okay door to open? Yeah, 572 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: open it. No good puns, just send us, send us 573 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: like solvad or Dolly Parks. Are there good puns inherently? Okay? Well, 574 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: let yeah, that's a good point. It's your puns. We 575 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: also want your energy drinks. Send us your energy drink. 576 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm just stressing your freshest bodily fluids. Send us the 577 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: freshest bodily fluids. And send some kind of WiFi that 578 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: works better when you're on the road. This is nuts. Yeah, 579 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: we're problem solvers here. Stuff that I want you to know. 580 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: So if you want to help us solve these problems 581 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: or learn more about new problems, UH, then go ahead 582 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: and find us on the internet, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all 583 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: the hits, all the good ones, all that slow jazz, 584 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: don't forget TikTok. Well it's conspiracy stuff show on TikTok. 585 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram, conspiracy stuff on the remaining 586 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: UH platforms uh in question that ben listed. We also 587 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: have a telephone number, as you know, as you well 588 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: know as uh who knew Toad today? No? It was Mike. Mike. Yeah, yes, 589 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: Mike knew. Uh. If you want to be like Mike, 590 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: then don't buy tennis shoes. Call one eight three three 591 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: st d w y t K. When you call in. 592 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: Give yourself a cool nickname, unlike Mike. Maybe Mike is 593 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: a cool nickname for Michael. That that makes sense. I 594 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: get it that. Matt really quickly been and I learned 595 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: something really alarming today. I think there are four and 596 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: change grams of sugar in a serving of wheaties. WHOA, 597 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: yeah was ACKed? I know, I was, Yeah, well, I 598 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: mean yeah, well, I don't know how you can make 599 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: it taste like that and still have that much sugar. 600 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: So congratulations, I pointed out, did if you eat a wheatye, 601 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: it's got a bit of a sugary vibe to it, 602 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: sticky sort of coating, you know, to make those wheatie 603 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: flakes palatable. That didn't realize it was that much. 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