WEBVTT - THINK BIG, BE BIG, DEMOCRATS! THIS IS NOT THE FINAL COUNTDOWN - 5.11.26

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're back from a week off, just in time for

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<v Speaker 1>me to put this podcast on hiatus for my health. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a bit of a dodge. I took the

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<v Speaker 1>week off so I could go see some doctors. I'm okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing life threatening. I don't even think there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>that seriously threatens the long term future of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can turn it off now. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>explain though, for at least two weeks, maybe a month

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<v Speaker 1>more likely, I will not be doing this podcast because

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<v Speaker 1>I have been diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, which, apart from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's a bad, bad thing to have

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<v Speaker 1>if you have trouble saying the letter L, a true

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<v Speaker 1>relation as I do, A FIB is the most common

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<v Speaker 1>cause of arrhythmia in the heart. And what you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want in the heart is arrhythmia. You like it to

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<v Speaker 1>go thump thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, And mine is

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<v Speaker 1>making a sound sometimes anyway, much more close to some

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<v Speaker 1>jazz drummer going nuts with the symbols and just making

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of sound in the background. This came up

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat suddenly in retrospect, it's clear I've had many of

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms for a long time, possibly years, but there

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<v Speaker 1>never was anything debilitating. And then during my physical three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, now I guess it is my GP, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a cardiologist and a good one, was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how great my heart looked and how young it looked

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<v Speaker 1>for an old guy like me. And then he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just for wait a minute, two words or

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<v Speaker 1>three words you don't want to hear in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of an exam. Wait a minute, and it's a fib.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are now exploring the non intervention kind of

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<v Speaker 1>treatments for it, one of which involves reducing stress and

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<v Speaker 1>no offense to you. You're the best part of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>But the topic matter is for me like juggling flaming chainsaws.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing but stress. What's alarming and what I now see,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in fact, a symptom of this aphib is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the whole process of producing this, which normally

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<v Speaker 1>I should be able to do in my sleep, because

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<v Speaker 1>other than the improvement in the quality of the equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>doing this is basically what I used to do in

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<v Speaker 1>college radio with razor blades. Standing up. This is actually

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<v Speaker 1>should be a simple process. There's only two of them

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<v Speaker 1>a week, there are limited deadlines, and yet the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing seems daunting sometimes. So this is probably in fact

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<v Speaker 1>the aphib because this sense of being exhausted and not

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<v Speaker 1>having energy, and being artificially fearful or anxious about things,

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<v Speaker 1>these are all symptoms of it. I urge you to

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<v Speaker 1>get checked if you ever have anything that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>right about your heart, get it checked anyway. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a standard rule. But look particularly for this aphib thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because it can be treated in many different ways, the

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<v Speaker 1>first of which is they give you medication that ensures

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<v Speaker 1>that you will not have a stroke, because that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great fears. If your heart beat is not

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<v Speaker 1>going in the right way, your blood can coagulate in

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<v Speaker 1>and around your heart and cause a clot, which could

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<v Speaker 1>cause a stroke, and then you're in trouble. As my

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<v Speaker 1>cardiologist said twenty twenty five years ago, when he would

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<v Speaker 1>find this in somebody, the next thing would be to

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<v Speaker 1>put them in a cab over to a major medical

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<v Speaker 1>center where they'd have to stay at least the night. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, I give you this box of pills. I

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<v Speaker 1>stick this monitor on your chest and you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to take the pills for another four or five hours.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in the still in the pills stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling a little bit better actually, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>go to the more invasive things, which include fude. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the treatments includes probably the best. The best treatment

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<v Speaker 1>for an irregular heart beat involves a mild shock to

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<v Speaker 1>the heart to reset the rhythm and encourage the heart

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to them bum bum bum bum bum

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<v Speaker 1>love dub love dub. You know the rest. Now, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>like you or certainly like me, when I hear shock

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<v Speaker 1>to the heart, I think, Claire. So what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do here was to do some headlines of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I have a great story about my dog

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<v Speaker 1>Ted and his heart problems, which I have been keeping

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<v Speaker 1>from you because I wanted to wait till there was

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<v Speaker 1>an established story there, and it's a story. I'll save

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<v Speaker 1>that for last. And I want to talk about my

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<v Speaker 1>first TV boss of bosses, the late Ted Turner, and

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<v Speaker 1>how basically what you see in TV everything including ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner created that, although he did not directly create it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to do, since you know, the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>is they're going to hit my heart with the electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sure this is a good idea, since they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do something like that, or keep me on

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<v Speaker 1>these medications for a long time. I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>big picture here first, just in case I don't resume

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast in a month or less or whatever, or

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<v Speaker 1>I get so well and feel so good that I say,

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<v Speaker 1>to hell of it, I'm not resuming this podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to just talk big picture for a change, not

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<v Speaker 1>the day's headlines, but the big implications, the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>things people leave out of this commentary world because we

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<v Speaker 1>are so occupied with these trees in front of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and the forests are full of nightmares. Besides being insane

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<v Speaker 1>and capable of just the one emotion, what can I

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<v Speaker 1>get away with besides being lost in Iran? And we

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<v Speaker 1>are lucky that Iran has not already invaded Washington and

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<v Speaker 1>taken over. I guess we're lucky. We have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>something that is becoming increasingly evident but is not being

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<v Speaker 1>set alout. Donald Trump is Boss Tweed. Boss Tweed is

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<v Speaker 1>a man who, in today money probably stole several billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from the city of New York in the eighteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>when there were no taxes, he was the all time

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<v Speaker 1>financial crook, and Trump, I think, is going to exceed him. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>whether he knows it or not, Trump is reducing us

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<v Speaker 1>to a second rate power, threatening democracy here and around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, as you know, elevating China and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>although I don't think there's enough left in Russia to

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<v Speaker 1>really make them a world power again, elevating Russia, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least Prutin has managed to manipulate Trump for whatever

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<v Speaker 1>reason and by whatever means those things, pee tapes and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else that's almost incidental, I'm sorry to say. For

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<v Speaker 1>those of you who like me just giggle over this

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<v Speaker 1>because you're thirteen. The fact about Russia is that Putin

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<v Speaker 1>has successfully and continues to successfully manipulate Trump into doing

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<v Speaker 1>things that stave off, you know, a Russia that looks

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<v Speaker 1>like nineteen oh five with mass starvation. I believe, truly. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>I am still somewhat hopeful. I am not willing to

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<v Speaker 1>say to hell with this America thing. I'm not there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I am still willing to believe that it will someday

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<v Speaker 1>be illegal to use Trump's name anywhere or to say

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<v Speaker 1>it out loud, unless it is preceded by popular Anglo

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<v Speaker 1>Saxon epithets, the way it was basically illegal to use

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's name in Germany in the recent past, for like

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty years after the Second World War. I still

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<v Speaker 1>think we are going to wind up there. I also

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<v Speaker 1>still think this all ends with one of them, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trumps or one of his lackeys in the cabinet,

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally electrocuting everybody at a cabinet meeting every day. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a different favorite as to who's likeliest to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with the revelations about cash Patel and his

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of his bourbon with his name on it, his

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<v Speaker 1>own branded bourbon, that it's not enough that he was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of drinking bourbon more or less by IV drip

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<v Speaker 1>by the Atlantic I guess it was. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>threatened to sue, and then he started to investigate the leaks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they came back with the next story, which

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<v Speaker 1>was he wasn't just drinking bourbon, he was drinking bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>out of bottles with his name on it, that he

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<v Speaker 1>gave out his gifts. If that were not bad enough,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where we are you've heard of this character,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Burns, big fat guy who goes by the nickname pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought for a long time he was a past pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Burns is how he identifies himself. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nickname because I'm confident that I have read much

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<v Speaker 1>more of the Bible than he has, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>on my top one hundred reading list. He wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>other day that he went to Trump National Durral in Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>big words for a crappy golf course, and he made history.

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<v Speaker 1>He led the dedication event for President Donald J. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the unveiling. He wrote of the twenty two foot

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<v Speaker 1>statue created in his honor, if you have not seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a giant statue of Trump, twenty two feet high

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<v Speaker 1>at a golf course, and it is the color of urine.

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<v Speaker 1>Big picture here. I think it's time to look at

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<v Speaker 1>this and stop saying he makes everything look like gold,

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<v Speaker 1>or he puts gold on the wall. Call it what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Donald Trump recognizes only one color. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>color of pists. It symbolizes him. It is his life's work.

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<v Speaker 1>But color of you urin the stuff on the White

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<v Speaker 1>House walls, that's not gold. It's the color of urine.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop calling it gold. It's urine colored. His hair is

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<v Speaker 1>urine colored. He is urine colored. He's President Donald Urine Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>The more we get that point across, the better we

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<v Speaker 1>will all be. But back to Mark quote Pastor Burns. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you might think that a statue twenty two feet high

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<v Speaker 1>gold of a living being, that they all stand around

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about how much it's history and how deeply

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<v Speaker 1>honored they are and dedicated, and all these religious leaders

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<v Speaker 1>were there, you might think that was.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that story in the Bible again.

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<v Speaker 1>The golden calf? Worshiping the golden calf. No, Mark has

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<v Speaker 1>reassurance for you. Let me say this plainly. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a golden calf, worship the Lord Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>Christ and him alone. The statue is not about worship.

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<v Speaker 1>It is about honor. Mark, bullshit, it's a golden calf.

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<v Speaker 1>You're worshiping a false idol. I don't care much about

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of your religion, whatever it is. Apparently you

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<v Speaker 1>are in sign trumpology. But honestly, you would think by

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<v Speaker 1>now that any deity supervising any religion that we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>of or haven't heard of, would have already thrown a

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<v Speaker 1>bolt Mark's way and said, hey, some of an irony

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<v Speaker 1>here about your name being Burns. So we have Patel

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<v Speaker 1>brand bourbon and a giant twenty two foot tall golden

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<v Speaker 1>calf statue of Donald Trump, and it's urine colored. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the big picture issues on the MAGA side of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But more seriously, I'd like to mention here just in

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<v Speaker 1>case this is the last one, and perhaps when I resume,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm using when when I resume these I can

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<v Speaker 1>pick up on some of these individually, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually quite interesting, and they're the kind of things

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<v Speaker 1>you think of when somebody says, yeah, it's fine, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna throw some electricity through your heart. How does

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<v Speaker 1>that feel? The leading threat to democracy in this country

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<v Speaker 1>right now is not Donald Trump. He is obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>precipitate for all of this. But the leading threat is

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<v Speaker 1>a small time Democratic party worldview. To quote the late

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<v Speaker 1>John Candy in the movie Splash with my friend Tom Hanks,

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<v Speaker 1>think big, be big, my friend. Right now, the big

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<v Speaker 1>ideas on the left are, ooh uh, Kevin Newsom's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>write mean tweets? Or should this candidate go on? Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Rogan's podcast asked, these are not big thoughts. These are

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts you have on the way home from work while

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to go out and get drunk on Patel

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<v Speaker 1>Brand Bourbon. Think big, be big. We need a party

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<v Speaker 1>that is thinking in terms of what this country will

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<v Speaker 1>look like if it still exists fifty years from now,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can do to save democracy, not just now,

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<v Speaker 1>but after we defeat Trump and MAGA in this fall,

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<v Speaker 1>and in twenty twenty eight and in twenty thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>And they have not gone away, because the biggest problem

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<v Speaker 1>of the last fifteen years was and I understand why

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<v Speaker 1>he did it, but Joe Biden and everybody at that

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<v Speaker 1>stage of the liberal side of the equation of politics

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<v Speaker 1>in this country who viewed the election of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and the successful inauguration after Trump led a coup attempt

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one, who viewed that as some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that merited the two word phrase the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, when Obama was elected and everybody said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we can take a breath, And when are you crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>You think these people are going to go away now?

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<v Speaker 1>They're angrier than they were, They have been thwarted, They

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<v Speaker 1>are three year old children, and you took away their

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<v Speaker 1>dream of killing you. So let's think big and be big.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of these things will never happen, but if

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<v Speaker 1>we don't start thinking about how to achieve them, we

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<v Speaker 1>will not also come up with other ideas about how

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve lesser doable things and maybe maybe just pull

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<v Speaker 1>off some of these things. Like the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>we could do to preserve this country going forward is

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate senatorial balance. There is no reason anymore on God's

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<v Speaker 1>green Earth for Wyoming to have as many senators as

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<v Speaker 1>New York. I don't know what the actual formula needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be, but there should not be as many votes

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<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma as in California, not in the Senate, not

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<v Speaker 1>in the House. We recognize the wisdom of it. In

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<v Speaker 1>the House, people vote not empty land. I like empty land.

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<v Speaker 1>I like bison as I will discuss later with Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Turner about Ted Turner. He's not my guest, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can't keep this going much longer. Eventually we will

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<v Speaker 1>be ruled by a minority of fifteen percent of the population.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's something else that we should work towards. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to reform voting in this country. Well, it's very simple.

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<v Speaker 1>You want everybody to be registered an IDD. Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that with this caveat you get automatic registration at

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<v Speaker 1>birth or naturalization, or I don't know, when you register

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<v Speaker 1>your car or get a license. There are all these

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<v Speaker 1>other things that they say, we have to show an

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<v Speaker 1>ID to get a license or to buy a loaf

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<v Speaker 1>of bread, even though nobody's ever had to show a

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<v Speaker 1>loaf of bread or to get an ID, or show

0:15:54.595 --> 0:15:56.355
<v Speaker 1>an ID to get a loaf of bread. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where that one came from. They keep saying this,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't buy a pizza with an ID. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>you buying your pizzas Moscow? Maybe they are automatic registration

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<v Speaker 1>to vote when you are born, when they take the

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<v Speaker 1>baby's toe prints and they say eighteen years from now,

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<v Speaker 1>this baby's eligible to vote. Done. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>mandatory voting. I've been pushing this for thirty years, longer

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<v Speaker 1>than that. They have it in Australia. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't vote, you get fined. We could do it the

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<v Speaker 1>other way, since it's America. We could reward people with

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars off your income tax if you can prove

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<v Speaker 1>you voted. We have to eliminate the electoral college. That's obvious,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not a project that's going to take the

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<v Speaker 1>storm or take the entire campaign world by storm in

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms or in twenty twenty eight. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get that done in the next fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But why are we not thinking long term about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Ideas of immediate concern and consequence can be done if

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<v Speaker 1>there is some measure of bold leadership. You saw the

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Supreme Court throw out redistricting. There after it was

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<v Speaker 1>voted on. The voters of the state approved it, the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court disapproved it. Well, the Supreme Court apparently did

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<v Speaker 1>not know that there is absolute control of the mandatory

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<v Speaker 1>retirement age for judges in Virginia given to the state legislatures.

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<v Speaker 1>If you changed it today to fifty three, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the members of the Virginia Supreme Court would have to

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<v Speaker 1>retire two weeks from now, and then you just go

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<v Speaker 1>back with your new Supreme Court and have that vote

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<v Speaker 1>taken again and restore the redictory we're redistricting. We need

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thinking, and that has been proposed, and

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<v Speaker 1>that has to be done, and anybody who gets in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of this needs to be eliminated from the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party and perhaps prosecuted, as we should do with

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<v Speaker 1>John Fetterman. There must be a way to take John

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<v Speaker 1>Fetterman and not let him get away with this the

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<v Speaker 1>way Mansion did or Kristen Cinema did. My old bedfellow.

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<v Speaker 1>Politics make strange ballot bedfellows, and none of them have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been stranger than her. Why not if this is

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<v Speaker 1>my last podcast, you can quote me on that. Put

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<v Speaker 1>that on my tombstone. Got to be a way to

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<v Speaker 1>force him out. Got to be a way to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a liar. He lied all the way through

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign. He has lied every moment. He has lied

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<v Speaker 1>to every voter. He should be sued by everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>voted for him. If everybody who voted for him sued

0:18:39.835 --> 0:18:42.035
<v Speaker 1>him for a million dollars, he would flee the country

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<v Speaker 1>within hours. Anyway, back to the more realistic ones. Eliminating

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<v Speaker 1>the sanatorial balance, automatic registration at birth or naturalization, mandatory voting,

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the electoral college. And there's more to come, but

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<v Speaker 1>just as a pause before I get to the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of my list, and you probably have your own list.

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five was it's a crazy wish list.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fascists had the vision that they would someday

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. They started to create things on that list

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<v Speaker 1>when Barry Goldwater led that party. We have spent sixty

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<v Speaker 1>years staving off the Barry Goldwaters of this land, successfully

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes obviously more recently not so much. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>staving them off. They have been planning to unroll abortion rights,

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<v Speaker 1>women's rights, voting rights, everything that we call America, everything

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<v Speaker 1>that has changed since the New Deal. They're still angry

0:19:48.075 --> 0:19:50.835
<v Speaker 1>about FDR, and they are finally doing something about it.

0:19:51.115 --> 0:19:54.715
<v Speaker 1>And the actual anger that has motivated them and Trump

0:19:54.755 --> 0:19:58.835
<v Speaker 1>and the support for Trump dates to nineteen thirty fing

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<v Speaker 1>two and the election of nineteen thirty two when a

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<v Speaker 1>good man named Herbert Hoover was garrotted by this class

0:20:09.035 --> 0:20:12.395
<v Speaker 1>trader FDR. The anger has been building there for more

0:20:12.475 --> 0:20:18.915
<v Speaker 1>than nine decades. And we what do we get? We

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<v Speaker 1>get moderates, we get Gavin Newsom going on Joe Rugan's podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Let's have a conference about it. Think

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<v Speaker 1>big B, big my friend, commit to the prosecution and

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<v Speaker 1>the restitution demands of the Trump family and his family

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<v Speaker 1>of crooks and inside traders for all the money they've stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>Commit to removing tax breaks for churches that are now

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<v Speaker 1>just political organizations or fronts for political organizations dressed up

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<v Speaker 1>in clerical robes that they bought on eBay. Pastor Mark

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<v Speaker 1>burns he's worshiping a golden calf, but because he says

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a golden calf, they all go, oh, two gates. Fine,

0:20:57.755 --> 0:21:02.155
<v Speaker 1>God wants Trump. That's not God you're talking to. The

0:21:02.195 --> 0:21:08.275
<v Speaker 1>red tail should have been a hint. Commit to investigating

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<v Speaker 1>and prosecuting the foreign bankrolling of conservative influencers and organizations

0:21:13.355 --> 0:21:16.515
<v Speaker 1>like Seapack. You have an admission from the new rulers

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<v Speaker 1>of Hungary. The new leader, Peter Madjar says, oh, by

0:21:22.035 --> 0:21:26.995
<v Speaker 1>the way we've been bankrolling Seapack, it shouldn't be that difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>We start with Hungary and then all those match laps

0:21:30.755 --> 0:21:35.115
<v Speaker 1>and such, they will flee the country too. Obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much to do with the Supreme Court. We need

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one Supreme Court justices. We need to eliminate lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>membership on skotis. Perhaps we want to go even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that, and think about the president nominates ten candidates

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate nominates four candidates and you put them in

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble machine. You put them in a plastic ping

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<v Speaker 1>pong ball machine like the National Hockey League draft lottery,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them becomes the Supreme Court justice. Take

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<v Speaker 1>a little of the politics out of it the only

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<v Speaker 1>way we can do it now, which is by random chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Although that somebody would try to fix the lottery. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying the National Hockey League lottery was fixed, but

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<v Speaker 1>just because they keep letting the bad teams making bad

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<v Speaker 1>choices have the number one draft choice because they're in

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<v Speaker 1>the big markets, that's not That's okay. Never mind, Commit

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecuting Scalia and Clarence Thomas for the corruption we've

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<v Speaker 1>detailed here and has been detailed in a thousand places,

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<v Speaker 1>and commit to candidates, Democratic leaders, people who want to

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<v Speaker 1>be president twenty twenty nine need to commit now to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuting Barrett and Kavanaugh and Gorsich for lying to the

0:22:41.555 --> 0:22:45.155
<v Speaker 1>Senate during their confirmation about Roe v. Wade. They lied.

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<v Speaker 1>Think big b big make home schooling illegal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, perhaps it's more convenient for some of you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, if you want to teach your kids

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<v Speaker 1>how to live your life and do yours. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but get them out of the house so they can

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<v Speaker 1>meet people who were not identical to you and them.

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<v Speaker 1>When states put in racist ap history classes like the

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<v Speaker 1>one Florida announced in the last week, like the entire

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<v Speaker 1>program in Oklahoma, we need candidates who will say, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we're not going to let you use those

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<v Speaker 1>for college credit outside of your own states. Does your

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<v Speaker 1>son want to go to Yale, soony purchase cal Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>no offense to any of those schools. You can't get

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<v Speaker 1>in with your Florida degree. Sorry that history thing. You're

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen credits short. Spent another couple of years in a

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<v Speaker 1>real high school somewhere. Go back to the FCC and

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<v Speaker 1>have the fairness doctrine or equal time restored. I know dying,

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<v Speaker 1>television is dying, but there should be some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>FCC intervention in cable and streaming and the internet. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that they would rule, but some sort of avenue so

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<v Speaker 1>there can be appeal and so monopolies can be attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the subject of monopolies, think big B Big

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, corral the tech moguls while there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to stop them, because, as has been noted, many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Every goddamn science fiction movie from nineteen forty to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety featured a billionaire who had his own island and

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<v Speaker 1>his own rockets. The goal should be to take all

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<v Speaker 1>of the money from Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, the Ellisons,

0:24:26.995 --> 0:24:30.475
<v Speaker 1>and the other robber barons and use it for public good.

0:24:31.315 --> 0:24:35.355
<v Speaker 1>Our forefathers did exactly that, and not all of the money.

0:24:35.395 --> 0:24:38.595
<v Speaker 1>They didn't bankrupt Rockefeller, but they just took the bite

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<v Speaker 1>out of him and Morgan and all of the others,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jay Gould Republicans led the way doing that one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago, one hundred and twenty years ago, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty years ago. We can too, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to, because ultimately it is either the robber barons

0:24:53.395 --> 0:24:59.395
<v Speaker 1>or democracy. They are not mutually coexistent. Think big, be big,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, unify with the small liberal parties and go

0:25:04.675 --> 0:25:09.675
<v Speaker 1>governments worldwide to encircle and shut down the fascist operations

0:25:09.715 --> 0:25:14.035
<v Speaker 1>in Europe and elsewhere, like Reform UK and here like

0:25:14.195 --> 0:25:19.155
<v Speaker 1>MAGA because MAGA and Reform UK want elections, but only

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<v Speaker 1>until they win decisively, then there'll be no more elections. Also,

0:25:24.435 --> 0:25:27.755
<v Speaker 1>particularly to Reform UK as it's grown again in last

0:25:27.755 --> 0:25:31.195
<v Speaker 1>week's elections there in the local elections, the council elections.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigel Farage personally consists about seventy five percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>actual evidence that the old UFO conspiracy theory that many

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<v Speaker 1>world leaders are in fact lizard people. He is seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the evidence that that might be ture.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever seen him smile where his mouth extends back

0:25:49.355 --> 0:25:54.235
<v Speaker 1>to each ear. Here we need to remove Chuck Schumer

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<v Speaker 1>and the other dead weights and the moderates. Amy Klobershar

0:25:57.595 --> 0:26:03.395
<v Speaker 1>has now come out against redistricting in Minnesota, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I think I should mention I believe she was a

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<v Speaker 1>little worse for wear once at the White House correspondence

0:26:09.755 --> 0:26:12.915
<v Speaker 1>dinner and she got a little too close. That came

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit too close to me like this,

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<v Speaker 1>can you see in your earphones what I'm trying to demonstrate?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think she was. I think she might have

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<v Speaker 1>been saying she liked me. It's just a little close.

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<v Speaker 1>We want a democratic party in which the declaration that

0:26:31.995 --> 0:26:36.035
<v Speaker 1>you're against redistricting on behalf of democracy is the immediate

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<v Speaker 1>end of your career. Amy Klobashar should have been forced

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<v Speaker 1>out of office, and Tim Waltz should have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to appoint a successor already this morning. And remember on

0:26:49.395 --> 0:26:55.075
<v Speaker 1>broad projects like the filibuster, like mandatory voting, like reforming

0:26:55.115 --> 0:26:59.035
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court, all the big ticket items. Just because

0:26:59.075 --> 0:27:03.075
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans would do it does not mean it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea for the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop thinking that it's a reason for the good guys

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<v Speaker 1>not to do something. The best time to hit the

0:27:11.995 --> 0:27:14.835
<v Speaker 1>man with the knife is when he is having trouble

0:27:15.075 --> 0:27:19.875
<v Speaker 1>getting it out of his pocket. Stop thinking of reform

0:27:20.155 --> 0:27:25.555
<v Speaker 1>or progress or improvement or we'll get to single payer eventually,

0:27:26.115 --> 0:27:30.875
<v Speaker 1>and start thinking these issues are life or death of

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<v Speaker 1>democracy issues. Unbalance the Senate. Defang the entire issue of

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<v Speaker 1>voter fraud by making registration automatic in some way so

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to do anything extra or pay

0:27:47.355 --> 0:27:50.115
<v Speaker 1>more money, because that's the whole thing. It's a poll tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Think big, Be big, my friends in the Democratic Party

0:27:59.995 --> 0:28:05.395
<v Speaker 1>or its successor. While I'm on this, Medica, The second

0:28:05.435 --> 0:28:08.635
<v Speaker 1>biggest threat, of course, is an inert news media. I

0:28:08.675 --> 0:28:11.035
<v Speaker 1>don't know how many commentaries I've done about this, It

0:28:11.115 --> 0:28:14.075
<v Speaker 1>must be in three digits. By now, preoccupied with their

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<v Speaker 1>own careers and safety, as if they did not live

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<v Speaker 1>in America and the future America they are helping create

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<v Speaker 1>by their lack of attention, it won't affect them in

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<v Speaker 1>some way. Tell me about it. All of you who've

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<v Speaker 1>lost your jobs or gotten fired or work at CBS News,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what's going to have to happen. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>we're not expecting is going to have to risk their

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<v Speaker 1>own careers. Somebody's going to have to get fired on

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<v Speaker 1>the air, Somebody we do not expect anything from. The

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<v Speaker 1>perfect example, the mean candidate for this is Kristen Welker

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<v Speaker 1>of Meet the Press, totally clueless. Once or twice in

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<v Speaker 1>her entire tenure has she said anything, followed up in

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<v Speaker 1>any way or embarrassed anybody From MAGA. Margaret Brennan is

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<v Speaker 1>an option. It wouldn't be enough for George Stephanoppolis.

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<v Speaker 2>To do this.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be enough even for Jake Tapper, as bad

0:29:06.395 --> 0:29:09.275
<v Speaker 1>a guy as Jake Tapper is and as useless as

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<v Speaker 1>he is, it wouldn't be enough because that would be

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<v Speaker 1>written off as he's just the left winger. Somebody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do a cross between Cronkite and Howard

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<v Speaker 1>Beale somebody who is not expected to be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>risk anything. Now, who could those people think Tony de

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<v Speaker 1>Couple is going to do that? Maybe you want to

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<v Speaker 1>redeem yourself. Somebody could do this. Somebody could lose it

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<v Speaker 1>in an interview with Trump and just tell him the

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<v Speaker 1>truth and say this is where I am leaving broadcasting

0:29:42.515 --> 0:29:45.915
<v Speaker 1>and going to run a bar, and I mean lose it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell him the truth. Tell him he's crazy, tell him

0:29:48.715 --> 0:29:51.555
<v Speaker 1>he's losing in Iran. Tell him he's not popular, tell

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<v Speaker 1>him he's lying, Tell him he's insane. Tell him he

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<v Speaker 1>smells like crap. Tell him his hair is the color

0:29:57.275 --> 0:30:00.955
<v Speaker 1>of urine. Go ahead, Tony, show me you're actually made

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<v Speaker 1>of something. The Hollywood Reporter recently put out its most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful list of people in New York media. Rebecca Blumenstein,

0:30:10.075 --> 0:30:13.155
<v Speaker 1>Caesar Condey, who runs NBC News, although I don't think

0:30:13.195 --> 0:30:16.075
<v Speaker 1>they've seen him there in about two years. Jerry Cardinally,

0:30:16.235 --> 0:30:22.035
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Zooker, Joanna Coles, Anderson Cooper, Barry Diller, Meredith Kopit, Levian,

0:30:22.555 --> 0:30:26.675
<v Speaker 1>Kara Swisher. Somebody please explain to me what it is

0:30:26.715 --> 0:30:32.155
<v Speaker 1>she's supposed to be doing. David Haskell, Alman, Kara Medovich,

0:30:32.875 --> 0:30:37.355
<v Speaker 1>John Kelly, Rebecca Cutler who apparently runs MSNBC, Rachel Maddow

0:30:37.395 --> 0:30:42.235
<v Speaker 1>who actually runs MSNBC, Emma Tucker, Andrew Ross Sorkin, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the one who sits there and goes, Joe Kernan. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you're right about that. That's power, and Emily Sunberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Any names I just mentioned to you there strike you

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who'd risked twenty dollars to save the democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone twenty million dollars. Rebecca Blumenstein or Stein is

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<v Speaker 1>the head of NBC News editorial Still. The last time

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<v Speaker 1>we heard from her was when she was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who tried to bring in Ronna Romney McDaniel

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<v Speaker 1>as a commentator on NBC and MSNBC. Did she get

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<v Speaker 1>fired for that fiasco? She did not. What has she

0:31:15.595 --> 0:31:18.715
<v Speaker 1>been doing since? She has been running the editorial content

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<v Speaker 1>on NBC News, so she is Kristin Welker's boss. And

0:31:22.515 --> 0:31:24.995
<v Speaker 1>what has she really been doing. She's been writing a

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<v Speaker 1>book about her days at The New York Times. She

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<v Speaker 1>is the head essentially of NBC News, and she's not

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<v Speaker 1>writing memos about how to save democracy through good journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>She's writing a book and it's not even about NBC News.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about her days, the good old days at the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times. She's everything that's wrong with media. I

0:31:48.635 --> 0:31:51.715
<v Speaker 1>never met her. Politico put it this way. The idea

0:31:51.795 --> 0:31:54.515
<v Speaker 1>of bringing the Trump flunky into NBC News began with

0:31:54.635 --> 0:31:58.395
<v Speaker 1>negotiations for the NBC coverage of a Republican debate, and

0:31:58.435 --> 0:32:02.955
<v Speaker 1>I'm quoting Politico though that process. Through that process, rather

0:32:03.035 --> 0:32:06.515
<v Speaker 1>McDaniel built a good rapport with Boodolph Brown and Blumenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>McDaniel left the RNC, signed on with the CIA Talent Agency,

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<v Speaker 1>and what looking for a TV contract. While McDaniel had

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<v Speaker 1>talks with other networks, she was trying to avoid working

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<v Speaker 1>for CNN, but had serious discussions with ABC. NBC always

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<v Speaker 1>had the inside track. Quote Rona had a good experience

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<v Speaker 1>with Carrie and Rebecca and felt more comfortable than with

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<v Speaker 1>them with then with some of the other networks. A

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<v Speaker 1>person close to McDaniel said, log rolling, I believe is

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<v Speaker 1>the term. All that conversation was about putting Rona McDaniel

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<v Speaker 1>on NBC News. Was trying to advance her career and

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<v Speaker 1>the career of those at NBC News who were going

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<v Speaker 1>to put her on and that's what television news is,

0:32:47.235 --> 0:32:52.315
<v Speaker 1>and most of news still is Hey, the country's on fire. Yeah,

0:32:52.355 --> 0:32:56.995
<v Speaker 1>but I made another twenty thousand dollars. I am encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>about the new bosses at Disney suing the FCC and

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Carr and by inference Trump over the chilling effect

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<v Speaker 1>and their attempts to quash the First Amendment, and in

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<v Speaker 1>so doing they quoted then DC Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote in twenty seventeen that the government could not

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<v Speaker 1>quote tell Amazon or Politics and Pros what books to

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<v Speaker 1>promote or tell the Washington Post or the Drudge Report,

0:33:24.235 --> 0:33:27.995
<v Speaker 1>what columns to carry or tell ESPN or the NFL network,

0:33:27.995 --> 0:33:31.315
<v Speaker 1>what games to show or tell, how appealing or bench memos,

0:33:31.355 --> 0:33:34.275
<v Speaker 1>what articles to feature or tell Twitter or YouTube, what

0:33:34.435 --> 0:33:37.595
<v Speaker 1>videos to post or tell Facebook or Google? What content

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<v Speaker 1>to favor? Brett Kavanaugh, twenty seventeen. Of course, the Trump

0:33:42.395 --> 0:33:46.075
<v Speaker 1>administrations have tried to do everything Kavanaugh said they could

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<v Speaker 1>not do. On the other hand, disabuse yourself of the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that Brett Kavanaugh would say again what he said

0:33:51.995 --> 0:33:54.915
<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen now on the Supreme Court, or even

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<v Speaker 1>remember that he said it, or remember what he said

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<v Speaker 1>last week, Hey you got any of that? Where's cash?

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<v Speaker 1>Pttel on the free stuff. People betray themselves and us

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily basis in this country. That's where we

0:34:09.435 --> 0:34:15.795
<v Speaker 1>are especially betraying themselves. After this thing about ABC and

0:34:15.875 --> 0:34:20.635
<v Speaker 1>Disney suing the FCC, the newsletter's status turned for comment

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<v Speaker 1>to Floyd Abrams. They identified Floyd Abrams as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's leading First Amendment lawyers and did not note

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the quizzling who represented the scumbag anti

0:34:33.555 --> 0:34:37.075
<v Speaker 1>free speech fascist David Bossi in the case that put

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<v Speaker 1>us here, Citizens United. Floyd Abrams first Amendment champion until

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<v Speaker 1>Citizens United, which killed the First Amendment. Thank you, Floyd.

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<v Speaker 1>As we have seen in the last year, especially to

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<v Speaker 1>quote John Houston's character in Chinatown explaining to Jack Nicholson's

0:35:00.995 --> 0:35:06.075
<v Speaker 1>character how he Houston's character raped his own daughter quote,

0:35:07.035 --> 0:35:09.715
<v Speaker 1>most people never have to face the fact at the

0:35:09.795 --> 0:35:25.395
<v Speaker 1>right time and the right place, they're capable of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Nancy Faust. Yeah, this is not the final countdown,

0:35:43.955 --> 0:35:48.275
<v Speaker 1>but Nancy never recorded a song called this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the Final Countdown, So I had to take what I had.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Nancy Faust. It's probably the only song she

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<v Speaker 1>never did record. Is there a song called that Let's

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<v Speaker 1>run some headlines before the break? A Keem Jeffries is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently panicking over that virgin idea that I mentioned, the

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<v Speaker 1>forced retirement of the entire Supreme Court and doing the

0:36:10.475 --> 0:36:15.355
<v Speaker 1>whole thing over again rather than pulling the emergency switch.

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<v Speaker 1>The Times, during a private discussion on Saturday that included

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic House members from Virginia and Representative of Keem Jeffries

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, the minority leader, the most dramatic idea

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<v Speaker 1>they discussed, which would involve an unusual gambit to replace

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<v Speaker 1>the entire state Supreme Court with the goal of reinstating

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<v Speaker 1>their gerrymandered map. True mixed reactions on the call, said

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were the other people on the call,

0:36:40.715 --> 0:36:44.035
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Miller and Fing Trump, and it was not clear

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be even viable or palatable to Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail Spanberger and Democrats in the Virginia General Assembly. A

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<v Speaker 1>warning here to the governor and the members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia General Assembly, get your asses in gear and save

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<v Speaker 1>your state, or be prepared to be exppelled from this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Spanberger, who The Times was nice enough to identify

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<v Speaker 1>as miss span Berger. Nice sexism. I didn't even use

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<v Speaker 1>that against her, and I'm really pissed at her. Spanburger

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<v Speaker 1>would have to sign off on any legislation. The Times

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that lowered the judicial retirement age. She has not

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<v Speaker 1>been briefed on the proposal. The people involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion or briefed on it, said, well, why hasn't she

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<v Speaker 1>been She was in the house, acheme. You should have

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<v Speaker 1>met Abigail at some point or is The Times referred

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<v Speaker 1>to her Miss Spanburger. The governor Virginia Times condescending, mfing bastards.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it? Do it now? Do it? Before I finished

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<v Speaker 1>this sentence, we don't have a lot of time left,

0:37:54.915 --> 0:37:59.635
<v Speaker 1>and your state map is vital to the nation. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't give a crap about Virginia in the grand scheme

0:38:02.475 --> 0:38:04.995
<v Speaker 1>of things. We're talking about whether it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Republican owned for the next two hundred years. Get off

0:38:08.835 --> 0:38:14.635
<v Speaker 1>your ass, Governor and minority leader while you are still

0:38:14.835 --> 0:38:21.555
<v Speaker 1>minority leader. Trump again on Iran. The latest Iran's response

0:38:21.635 --> 0:38:25.235
<v Speaker 1>to his latest bullshit proposal to not end his bullshit

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<v Speaker 1>war is, according to him, unacceptable bullshit. Anybody notice he

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<v Speaker 1>just rotates the lies. Every day, Trump says, A, he

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<v Speaker 1>won in Iran him personally, he won. The next day,

0:38:40.875 --> 0:38:43.715
<v Speaker 1>he says, B he may start blowing them to hell.

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<v Speaker 1>The day after that, he says, see piece is close

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran is begging, sir, please, We have tears in

0:38:49.875 --> 0:38:51.955
<v Speaker 1>our eyes. Can we have a deal, sir? Please? Sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Once some more? And our media, from Fox News to

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times, the whole gamut nods to this

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<v Speaker 1>like a row of bobblehead dolls on a giveaway day

0:39:04.915 --> 0:39:09.515
<v Speaker 1>at a ballpark. Can't you see it? It's a Monday, Tuesday,

0:39:09.555 --> 0:39:12.235
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday thing. He says the same thing in the same order.

0:39:12.355 --> 0:39:15.995
<v Speaker 1>It should be obvious to fourth graders. I would rather

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<v Speaker 1>have fourth graders populating the news organizations of this country

0:39:19.475 --> 0:39:22.955
<v Speaker 1>right now. This is the one true thing that I

0:39:23.035 --> 0:39:26.755
<v Speaker 1>worry about sometimes in my moment of absolute egotism. There

0:39:26.875 --> 0:39:29.915
<v Speaker 1>is the possibility that this podcast is one of the

0:39:29.915 --> 0:39:33.075
<v Speaker 1>top two or three news sources in America, not because

0:39:33.115 --> 0:39:35.795
<v Speaker 1>it's particularly good or because I do it, but because

0:39:35.795 --> 0:39:41.675
<v Speaker 1>everything else sucks. On the newest Iranian response, Trump, I

0:39:41.755 --> 0:39:45.195
<v Speaker 1>have just read the response from Iran so called representatives.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it totally. Unacceptable. Well, F Trump, we

0:39:52.595 --> 0:39:55.835
<v Speaker 1>don't like you, and yet somehow you're still here. Urine

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<v Speaker 1>hair from the Supreme Court, sam Alito lying no. The

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<v Speaker 1>claims that Samuel Alito made about voter turnout in Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>in a landmark Voting Rights Act case where based on

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<v Speaker 1>a misleading data analysis, a Guardian review has found, writs

0:40:15.595 --> 0:40:18.755
<v Speaker 1>the Guardian. The New Republic version of this. In the

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<v Speaker 1>Court's majority opinion, Alito claimed that the kind of racial

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<v Speaker 1>discrimination that it prompted the creation of the Voting Rights

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<v Speaker 1>Act no longer existed. He said black voters now participate

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<v Speaker 1>in elections at similar rates as the rest of the electorate,

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<v Speaker 1>even turning out at higher rates than white voters in

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<v Speaker 1>two of the five most recent presidential elections nationwide and

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<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana. Alito wrote he was citing a Friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the Court brief submitted by the Department of Justice. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Department of Justice, which is something out of Orwell's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four. It's the Department of Trump Justice, which

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<v Speaker 1>is of course illegal. It relied on a statistical methodology

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<v Speaker 1>that is not preferred by experts in determining statewide voter turnout.

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<v Speaker 1>The brief calculated black and white voter turnout in Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>as a proportion of the total population of each racial

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<v Speaker 1>group over the age of eighteen. This is generally considered

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<v Speaker 1>a suboptimal method because it includes people who can't vote,

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<v Speaker 1>including non citizens and people with felony convictions. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>Alito's arguing that there is no longer a disparity in

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<v Speaker 1>who votes in Louisiana, and he uses this by and

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<v Speaker 1>proves this by cooking the effing books. Sam Alito should

0:41:34.115 --> 0:41:38.515
<v Speaker 1>be in prison, John Roberts, this is your last chance.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing for this country right now would be

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<v Speaker 1>if we did not have a Supreme Court. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be chaos. It would be better than this. Sam Alito

0:41:49.115 --> 0:41:54.515
<v Speaker 1>is a crook. He is a megalomaniac. He is rewriting

0:41:54.635 --> 0:42:00.475
<v Speaker 1>law and now changing numbers to justify his political prejudices

0:42:00.795 --> 0:42:05.515
<v Speaker 1>and his hatred of minorities. Get him the out of here,

0:42:05.595 --> 0:42:10.075
<v Speaker 1>John Roberts. When I said earlier, we need a Cronkite

0:42:10.155 --> 0:42:13.315
<v Speaker 1>moment or a Howard Beale moment from somebody, now, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Supreme Court Chief Justice of the United States John

0:42:17.195 --> 0:42:21.355
<v Speaker 1>Roberts might be the right guy. I'm not holding my breath,

0:42:22.355 --> 0:42:26.275
<v Speaker 1>speaking of which Erica Kirk has given the commencement address

0:42:26.355 --> 0:42:30.835
<v Speaker 1>at White Trash College. I'm sorry I misread that Hillsdale.

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<v Speaker 1>As Ron philip Kowski noted on social media, her husband

0:42:35.475 --> 0:42:38.595
<v Speaker 1>wrote a book on how kids should not go to college.

0:42:39.315 --> 0:42:43.635
<v Speaker 1>Missus Kirk is requesting privacy at this time. Also more

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<v Speaker 1>speaking bookings cash only. Google's chief scientists its lead on

0:42:50.835 --> 0:42:55.995
<v Speaker 1>Gemini AI went to give a scientific lecture at UC Berkeley,

0:42:56.075 --> 0:43:01.035
<v Speaker 1>complains a tech dude. Modern AI research was the topic.

0:43:01.795 --> 0:43:04.635
<v Speaker 1>He was not there to debate Gaza or Google contracts,

0:43:04.715 --> 0:43:08.955
<v Speaker 1>but protesters disrupted the event anyway, and within ten minutes

0:43:08.995 --> 0:43:14.795
<v Speaker 1>it was shut down. Goodf him, af Google. If you're

0:43:14.795 --> 0:43:21.595
<v Speaker 1>not going to address public issues in public, don't speak

0:43:22.395 --> 0:43:28.435
<v Speaker 1>in public. It's simple. F off tech nerds. And by

0:43:28.475 --> 0:43:32.915
<v Speaker 1>the way, leave all your money from the United Kingdom

0:43:33.075 --> 0:43:37.715
<v Speaker 1>after it literally lost more than one thousand local council

0:43:37.835 --> 0:43:43.275
<v Speaker 1>seats to every party except the World Party, the band

0:43:43.395 --> 0:43:48.115
<v Speaker 1>from the eighties. Keir Starmer's Prime ministership appears finally to

0:43:48.155 --> 0:43:51.315
<v Speaker 1>be dying slowly. I have not thought that any of

0:43:51.315 --> 0:43:54.475
<v Speaker 1>the challenges to it would actually unseat him, but it

0:43:54.555 --> 0:43:58.515
<v Speaker 1>is now evident that there is a rebellion brewing inside

0:43:58.555 --> 0:44:03.635
<v Speaker 1>his party, because even British labor recognizes when it is

0:44:03.715 --> 0:44:07.915
<v Speaker 1>time to change the leaders of the leading liberal unit,

0:44:08.955 --> 0:44:14.395
<v Speaker 1>our version of labor, the Democrats, No Chuck Schumer another

0:44:14.475 --> 0:44:21.195
<v Speaker 1>twenty years. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy went on Fox to

0:44:21.315 --> 0:44:25.435
<v Speaker 1>defend along with his wife an idiot, They're the Great

0:44:25.595 --> 0:44:28.995
<v Speaker 1>American Road Trip. This is a reality show that they

0:44:29.035 --> 0:44:33.635
<v Speaker 1>have shot that will start dropping episodes online next month.

0:44:34.155 --> 0:44:38.275
<v Speaker 1>They shot this while he was Transportation Secretary. And I

0:44:38.395 --> 0:44:42.835
<v Speaker 1>know how unseemly this sounds. On the other hand, why

0:44:42.835 --> 0:44:46.795
<v Speaker 1>are we complaining about this. The less shit this idiot

0:44:46.915 --> 0:44:50.835
<v Speaker 1>does in the office, the better. The less shit the

0:44:50.915 --> 0:44:54.635
<v Speaker 1>idiot wife does on Fox, the better. And again, the

0:44:54.635 --> 0:44:57.915
<v Speaker 1>bottom line here is he's been out out of the office.

0:44:57.955 --> 0:45:01.315
<v Speaker 1>He's been shooting a reality show, something he's done before

0:45:01.555 --> 0:45:06.195
<v Speaker 1>and represents the limit of his intellect. The further Sean

0:45:06.275 --> 0:45:09.715
<v Speaker 1>Duffy stays away from the office, the fewer plane crashes

0:45:09.755 --> 0:45:12.115
<v Speaker 1>we will have and the more of us might survive this.

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<v Speaker 1>And Garrett Graf is back at doomsday scenario his website

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<v Speaker 1>on the White House Correspondent's Dinner, It wasn't an assassination

0:45:21.835 --> 0:45:26.115
<v Speaker 1>attempt attempt quote. I wrote last week about how the

0:45:26.155 --> 0:45:29.955
<v Speaker 1>shooting he put shooting in quotes, bless you, Garrett graf

0:45:30.395 --> 0:45:32.595
<v Speaker 1>was so strange, and how there seemed plenty of reason

0:45:32.675 --> 0:45:36.075
<v Speaker 1>to doubt that the suspect, Cole Thomas Allen, fired at all.

0:45:36.515 --> 0:45:39.635
<v Speaker 1>With some further evidence, including the release of higher resolution

0:45:39.795 --> 0:45:44.355
<v Speaker 1>security camera footage, graph Rights, some evidence from the government statements,

0:45:44.395 --> 0:45:47.115
<v Speaker 1>and mostly worked by The New York Times, I'm prepared

0:45:47.155 --> 0:45:50.795
<v Speaker 1>to be convinced that Cole Thomas Allen fired his shotgun once.

0:45:50.835 --> 0:45:54.235
<v Speaker 1>But man, oh man, this still remains just about the

0:45:54.315 --> 0:45:58.955
<v Speaker 1>strangest shooting I've ever seen, he continues quote. The higher

0:45:58.995 --> 0:46:02.115
<v Speaker 1>resolution video shows several things not evident in the low

0:46:02.195 --> 0:46:05.315
<v Speaker 1>quality version that Trump tweeted in the out hours after

0:46:05.355 --> 0:46:09.075
<v Speaker 1>the incident. That's Trump who painted the gold not gold

0:46:09.235 --> 0:46:13.475
<v Speaker 1>but gold and colored urine, including that Alan was evidently

0:46:13.555 --> 0:46:18.195
<v Speaker 1>brandishing the shotgun as he ran through the checkpoint, and

0:46:18.235 --> 0:46:21.075
<v Speaker 1>we can see the muzzle flashes from the officer who

0:46:21.115 --> 0:46:23.715
<v Speaker 1>opened fire in the bottom left corner of the video.

0:46:24.195 --> 0:46:27.515
<v Speaker 1>There is still no indication Garrett graft Rights on the

0:46:27.595 --> 0:46:31.515
<v Speaker 1>video of a muzzle flash from Alan's shotgun, nor any

0:46:31.635 --> 0:46:35.755
<v Speaker 1>reaction from the officer who is the apparent target that

0:46:35.835 --> 0:46:40.075
<v Speaker 1>he is hit by a blast. One more quote, and

0:46:40.395 --> 0:46:42.355
<v Speaker 1>I I have to send him a check But Garrett

0:46:42.355 --> 0:46:46.235
<v Speaker 1>Graf rights. The high resolution video of Alan barging past

0:46:46.315 --> 0:46:49.675
<v Speaker 1>and through the Secret Service checkpoint raises its own set

0:46:49.715 --> 0:46:53.235
<v Speaker 1>of meaningful new questions about the security. The one officer

0:46:53.275 --> 0:46:56.515
<v Speaker 1>who opened fire does so in the most reckless way,

0:46:56.875 --> 0:47:00.475
<v Speaker 1>firing basically every shot at the suspect when one of

0:47:00.475 --> 0:47:04.155
<v Speaker 1>his own fellow officers or agents is down range of

0:47:04.275 --> 0:47:08.075
<v Speaker 1>the shot. He amazingly misses the suspect with every shot,

0:47:08.235 --> 0:47:13.475
<v Speaker 1>and only by some miracle, also misses everyone around him. This,

0:47:14.035 --> 0:47:17.875
<v Speaker 1>mister Graff concludes, could have been a mass shooting event

0:47:18.635 --> 0:47:25.635
<v Speaker 1>from blue on blue fire of the Secret Service officer alone.

0:47:25.755 --> 0:47:30.555
<v Speaker 1>Derek Graf Doomsday scenario is his site. It's a great subscription.

0:47:30.835 --> 0:47:35.595
<v Speaker 1>It's worth it. Are our intrepid reporters in the mainstream

0:47:35.675 --> 0:47:40.995
<v Speaker 1>taking notes, just reading this the way I did. Perhaps yesterday,

0:47:41.035 --> 0:47:44.755
<v Speaker 1>the New York Times put a thirty one paragraph piece

0:47:44.875 --> 0:47:49.595
<v Speaker 1>out about the White House correspondence dinner and the aftermath

0:47:49.835 --> 0:47:55.115
<v Speaker 1>of the so called shooting, so called assassination attempt, and

0:47:55.155 --> 0:48:00.755
<v Speaker 1>the thirty one paragraphs are entirely devoted to whether or

0:48:00.795 --> 0:48:09.195
<v Speaker 1>not they should still have the dinner, nothing about the

0:48:09.235 --> 0:48:15.395
<v Speaker 1>discrepancies in the video that this man and his laptop

0:48:15.875 --> 0:48:20.635
<v Speaker 1>were able to perceive. The New York e fing Times.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Garrett Graff, you have tried. I appreciate you,

0:48:25.315 --> 0:48:33.995
<v Speaker 1>But generally speaking, where fed? Okay? Two more segments before hiatus,

0:48:33.995 --> 0:48:36.115
<v Speaker 1>and I am not sure changing you with this episode,

0:48:36.155 --> 0:48:39.235
<v Speaker 1>am I? This might last you until I return. The

0:48:39.275 --> 0:48:42.915
<v Speaker 1>rest of this episode is all Ted all the time.

0:48:43.115 --> 0:48:50.555
<v Speaker 1>The real story of Ted Turner's triumph over intense suicidal

0:48:50.675 --> 0:48:55.035
<v Speaker 1>impulses that he talked about with us the lowest level

0:48:55.195 --> 0:48:59.915
<v Speaker 1>CNN staffers forty five years ago and who helped him

0:49:00.235 --> 0:49:04.915
<v Speaker 1>through it, and the amazing recovery of another Ted, my

0:49:04.995 --> 0:49:10.315
<v Speaker 1>first rescue dog. Ted, the producer of this show, I

0:49:10.355 --> 0:49:14.795
<v Speaker 1>can now tell you in December, had eight hours of

0:49:14.955 --> 0:49:26.915
<v Speaker 1>open heart surgery and he was on a heart lung machine.

0:49:27.995 --> 0:49:31.555
<v Speaker 1>All Ted all the time. You'll give us twenty two minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you the Ted that's next. This has countdown,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is countdown with you know Keith Alberman.

0:50:26.955 --> 0:50:30.835
<v Speaker 4>Hey, millions of Americans from many backgrounds, many lifestyles.

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<v Speaker 1>And several voices of my past who I wanted to

0:50:33.155 --> 0:50:35.435
<v Speaker 1>put in here just in case this is the last one,

0:50:36.035 --> 0:50:38.715
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it is. You're not getting away

0:50:38.795 --> 0:50:42.915
<v Speaker 1>that easily. My late friend Richard Lewis. It's tough for

0:50:42.955 --> 0:50:45.795
<v Speaker 1>me to hear his voice. It is still impossible for

0:50:45.835 --> 0:50:48.675
<v Speaker 1>me to believe he is not with us. So in

0:50:48.715 --> 0:50:53.635
<v Speaker 1>a sense, there he is introducing countdown with the theme

0:50:53.675 --> 0:50:58.435
<v Speaker 1>from the CBS Evening News on radio introducing him, followed

0:50:58.475 --> 0:51:07.715
<v Speaker 1>by the newscast I interned on a scant fifty now

0:51:07.795 --> 0:51:11.755
<v Speaker 1>forty eight years ago. It's not fifty eight yet, hopefully

0:51:11.755 --> 0:51:14.995
<v Speaker 1>it'll be fifty eight eventually, the Channel five ten o'clock

0:51:15.075 --> 0:51:18.155
<v Speaker 1>News with Bill Jorgensen in the summer of nineteen seventy eight.

0:51:18.355 --> 0:51:21.155
<v Speaker 1>I've told that story and the story of the fabulous

0:51:21.275 --> 0:51:28.395
<v Speaker 1>and gritty and highly principled newscaster Bill Jorgensen. And I'm

0:51:28.395 --> 0:51:32.355
<v Speaker 1>always sorry that Bill Jorgenson did not associate himself or

0:51:32.395 --> 0:51:35.355
<v Speaker 1>get tied in with in some way somebody else who

0:51:35.355 --> 0:51:37.955
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about in this episode, rather than

0:51:38.035 --> 0:51:41.235
<v Speaker 1>doing a worse person segment here as they normally do.

0:51:43.035 --> 0:51:47.475
<v Speaker 1>Who passed away in the past week? Ted Turner. Ted

0:51:47.515 --> 0:51:51.555
<v Speaker 1>Turner put me on television he didn't do it directly,

0:51:52.115 --> 0:51:55.075
<v Speaker 1>and given the amount of alcohol he was doing between

0:51:55.235 --> 0:51:58.555
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one when I started with CNN and nineteen

0:51:58.715 --> 0:52:02.995
<v Speaker 1>eighty four when I left CNN, he probably wouldn't have

0:52:03.075 --> 0:52:05.755
<v Speaker 1>remembered at any point there that I worked for him,

0:52:05.795 --> 0:52:09.755
<v Speaker 1>although several times we did encounter each other directly. Once,

0:52:10.315 --> 0:52:12.915
<v Speaker 1>as I have told here, almost resulted in a fistfight,

0:52:13.315 --> 0:52:16.275
<v Speaker 1>another time almost resulted in a fire that would have

0:52:16.355 --> 0:52:21.115
<v Speaker 1>consumed RFK Stadium in Washington. It was an interesting period

0:52:21.155 --> 0:52:23.715
<v Speaker 1>of time with Ted, and I'd like to pray tribute

0:52:23.715 --> 0:52:26.035
<v Speaker 1>to him, because if you can imagine this, a man

0:52:26.075 --> 0:52:32.635
<v Speaker 1>who's passing was covered on networks worldwide as the father

0:52:32.915 --> 0:52:36.435
<v Speaker 1>of essentially what we have now in television and in

0:52:37.555 --> 0:52:40.955
<v Speaker 1>video news, so covering the whole gamut from TV to

0:52:41.315 --> 0:52:47.475
<v Speaker 1>streaming to online stuff to videos on TikTok. I don't

0:52:47.475 --> 0:52:50.675
<v Speaker 1>think he got his due nine tenths of what you

0:52:50.715 --> 0:52:54.515
<v Speaker 1>see on television right now. Ted Turner either started, thought

0:52:54.555 --> 0:52:58.915
<v Speaker 1>of himself or inspired And there are still dozens and

0:52:59.035 --> 0:53:01.755
<v Speaker 1>dozens of people who you see and you listen to,

0:53:02.795 --> 0:53:05.915
<v Speaker 1>who he rose or put in position to rise to

0:53:07.275 --> 0:53:10.515
<v Speaker 1>prominence in this business, and they are still there and

0:53:10.715 --> 0:53:14.355
<v Speaker 1>at a time when I am at that very sad

0:53:14.995 --> 0:53:18.115
<v Speaker 1>maximized window in which all of the role models and

0:53:18.195 --> 0:53:20.875
<v Speaker 1>all of the key people from my past are gradually

0:53:20.875 --> 0:53:26.235
<v Speaker 1>slipping away, is almost indescribably important. And I'm going to

0:53:26.235 --> 0:53:29.035
<v Speaker 1>read to you something I wrote about him in twenty

0:53:29.155 --> 0:53:33.875
<v Speaker 1>fourteen and the reaction that that got and why, particularly

0:53:33.915 --> 0:53:39.155
<v Speaker 1>Ted's decline, and I want to discuss how Ted's decline,

0:53:39.195 --> 0:53:41.955
<v Speaker 1>as sad as it is, it's amazing that he lasted

0:53:41.995 --> 0:53:44.275
<v Speaker 1>as long as he did so that he could decline,

0:53:44.515 --> 0:53:49.275
<v Speaker 1>but how Ted's decline actually may have unfortunately put us

0:53:49.635 --> 0:53:52.675
<v Speaker 1>some degree in the position we are in right now politically.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, he started my career indirectly. He was

0:53:57.075 --> 0:54:00.435
<v Speaker 1>running CNN. It was already at the end of its

0:54:00.435 --> 0:54:03.155
<v Speaker 1>first year, the beginning of its second year, and he'd

0:54:03.195 --> 0:54:07.155
<v Speaker 1>already made his mark in sports, and people were forgetting

0:54:07.155 --> 0:54:10.035
<v Speaker 1>that part of it. He'd already made his mark in cable.

0:54:10.075 --> 0:54:13.515
<v Speaker 1>He was the guy who put the Atlanta local garbage

0:54:14.075 --> 0:54:18.755
<v Speaker 1>UHF television station on the satellite for this burgeoning thing

0:54:18.795 --> 0:54:22.395
<v Speaker 1>that he saw called cable. Because his father was an

0:54:22.475 --> 0:54:26.795
<v Speaker 1>early television mogul in the sixties and in advertising, mostly

0:54:26.835 --> 0:54:31.235
<v Speaker 1>in the South. He started my career indirectly because they

0:54:31.275 --> 0:54:34.715
<v Speaker 1>needed to populate CNN Sports with a wave of people

0:54:34.755 --> 0:54:37.555
<v Speaker 1>who worked cheap, and then when those people turned out

0:54:37.555 --> 0:54:40.555
<v Speaker 1>to be really good and got real jobs, the big

0:54:40.675 --> 0:54:44.795
<v Speaker 1>jobs of the day at the Channel forty five in Scranton,

0:54:45.475 --> 0:54:48.435
<v Speaker 1>which would have paid more than CNN did in nineteen eighty,

0:54:48.995 --> 0:54:51.275
<v Speaker 1>he had to get a second wave of people to

0:54:51.315 --> 0:54:53.235
<v Speaker 1>go on and do sports and news and all the rest.

0:54:53.355 --> 0:54:55.435
<v Speaker 1>So one of the interesting truths, and I don't know

0:54:55.475 --> 0:54:57.555
<v Speaker 1>that it was Ted's idea. It may have been his

0:54:57.595 --> 0:55:01.395
<v Speaker 1>fact totem the oddly named Ed Turner, it may have

0:55:01.435 --> 0:55:03.475
<v Speaker 1>been his idea. I never did find out who this

0:55:03.715 --> 0:55:07.435
<v Speaker 1>was who thought this up. But the original hiring process

0:55:07.635 --> 0:55:12.515
<v Speaker 1>at CNN favored married couples who both worked in the business.

0:55:14.035 --> 0:55:17.435
<v Speaker 1>Was your wife also a newscaster, We'll offer you more

0:55:17.475 --> 0:55:19.715
<v Speaker 1>for both of you to come down there, because obviously

0:55:19.955 --> 0:55:23.035
<v Speaker 1>the family moving was more likely to stay because they

0:55:23.035 --> 0:55:27.475
<v Speaker 1>weren't both likely to get another job somewhere else, but

0:55:27.595 --> 0:55:30.195
<v Speaker 1>they were often getting their first chance to work together,

0:55:30.915 --> 0:55:34.035
<v Speaker 1>and they filled two jobs for the price of one move.

0:55:35.395 --> 0:55:38.155
<v Speaker 1>So the company was populated by people who were married

0:55:38.155 --> 0:55:41.355
<v Speaker 1>to each other. We had television directors who were married

0:55:41.355 --> 0:55:44.835
<v Speaker 1>to producers, and we had we had co anchors who

0:55:44.835 --> 0:55:48.595
<v Speaker 1>were married couples. It was it was quite an adventure.

0:55:49.075 --> 0:55:50.755
<v Speaker 1>And then there was the second wave of people like

0:55:50.795 --> 0:55:53.955
<v Speaker 1>me who had just no television experience, but who managed

0:55:53.995 --> 0:55:57.595
<v Speaker 1>to after the first day anyway, not knock the camera over.

0:55:58.515 --> 0:56:02.835
<v Speaker 1>And that was me. I met Ted for the first

0:56:02.835 --> 0:56:07.115
<v Speaker 1>time at the Football Talks the nineteen eighty two strike.

0:56:07.155 --> 0:56:09.435
<v Speaker 1>I have told this story. I walked in and my

0:56:09.555 --> 0:56:12.435
<v Speaker 1>camera crew and I had won CBS Sports caps from

0:56:12.475 --> 0:56:15.675
<v Speaker 1>the president of CBS Sports because I asked him a question.

0:56:15.755 --> 0:56:17.875
<v Speaker 1>He had not been asked about the effect of the

0:56:17.995 --> 0:56:22.475
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two National Football League players strike on CBS Sports,

0:56:22.875 --> 0:56:24.435
<v Speaker 1>and he had said, if you asked me a question,

0:56:24.475 --> 0:56:27.155
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been asked already. Name was Neil Pilson. If

0:56:27.195 --> 0:56:28.795
<v Speaker 1>you asked me a question I haven't been asked for

0:56:28.835 --> 0:56:31.675
<v Speaker 1>I give you all. And we thought jobs, and he

0:56:31.795 --> 0:56:35.715
<v Speaker 1>thought caps. So we had caps. And I didn't think

0:56:35.715 --> 0:56:37.715
<v Speaker 1>twice about it. But there comes my camera crew to

0:56:37.755 --> 0:56:39.955
<v Speaker 1>go interview Ted Turner as he walks into the Football

0:56:39.955 --> 0:56:43.755
<v Speaker 1>Strike Talks at the Durral Hotel on Lexington Avenue in

0:56:43.755 --> 0:56:46.675
<v Speaker 1>New York, in nineteen eighty two, and my camera crew

0:56:46.715 --> 0:56:48.715
<v Speaker 1>is the same one, and they are proudly wearing their

0:56:48.715 --> 0:56:51.795
<v Speaker 1>CBS Sports caps and Ted recognizes me as he comes

0:56:51.835 --> 0:56:55.155
<v Speaker 1>down the long hallway towards the meeting room, and suddenly

0:56:55.155 --> 0:56:58.035
<v Speaker 1>he sees the camera crew with me and the CNN microphone,

0:56:58.115 --> 0:57:00.555
<v Speaker 1>and there we are wearing CBS Sports caps. And he'd

0:57:00.595 --> 0:57:03.595
<v Speaker 1>berated me in front of everybody. He wouldn't answer any questions,

0:57:03.875 --> 0:57:05.755
<v Speaker 1>he just insult to me. And I thought, I don't

0:57:05.795 --> 0:57:08.595
<v Speaker 1>like this job, not particularly, and I don't like him

0:57:08.595 --> 0:57:10.955
<v Speaker 1>doing that to me in public. Maybe I'll just sock him.

0:57:12.115 --> 0:57:14.315
<v Speaker 1>And instead I had another idea, which was to stick

0:57:14.395 --> 0:57:17.595
<v Speaker 1>CNN bumper stickers over the CBS Sports caps so that

0:57:17.635 --> 0:57:20.155
<v Speaker 1>the next time he saw the crew, when the crew

0:57:20.195 --> 0:57:22.115
<v Speaker 1>came in to take pictures of him meeting with all

0:57:22.115 --> 0:57:24.715
<v Speaker 1>these football players he was trying to impress, there were

0:57:24.875 --> 0:57:28.035
<v Speaker 1>CNN Sports caps and he loved that and vowed to

0:57:28.075 --> 0:57:31.155
<v Speaker 1>get us all CBS or CNN Sports caps for Christmas.

0:57:31.235 --> 0:57:35.955
<v Speaker 1>And there they were, and I reminded him as he left,

0:57:36.195 --> 0:57:38.555
<v Speaker 1>don't forget the caps, and he gave me a dirty look,

0:57:38.635 --> 0:57:41.475
<v Speaker 1>and then for Christmas he gave us caps. The second

0:57:41.515 --> 0:57:45.035
<v Speaker 1>time I was at a football game with Ted when he,

0:57:45.315 --> 0:57:47.795
<v Speaker 1>as I will describe in this piece that I aired

0:57:47.835 --> 0:57:52.595
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen, he managed to have essentially a pickup

0:57:52.635 --> 0:57:56.235
<v Speaker 1>game of the striking players in front of literally invited

0:57:56.315 --> 0:57:59.395
<v Speaker 1>guests at RFK Stadium in Washington, and he was so

0:57:59.435 --> 0:58:02.435
<v Speaker 1>inebriated that, as I said, if he had lit a cigarette,

0:58:02.955 --> 0:58:05.875
<v Speaker 1>the whole place could have gone up easily. That was

0:58:05.955 --> 0:58:09.995
<v Speaker 1>Ted's life, and I wanted to emphasize something I heard

0:58:10.155 --> 0:58:13.435
<v Speaker 1>nowhere else. And I've told the stories about his womenizing.

0:58:13.475 --> 0:58:16.275
<v Speaker 1>I just told the story the other way the other

0:58:16.355 --> 0:58:20.515
<v Speaker 1>day about him and the camera person at CNN who

0:58:20.555 --> 0:58:24.035
<v Speaker 1>he propositioned and who stood up and slapped him at

0:58:24.075 --> 0:58:28.355
<v Speaker 1>a French restaurant, the French Restaurant in Georgetown, and then

0:58:28.915 --> 0:58:31.755
<v Speaker 1>they tried to make it good with her and gave

0:58:31.795 --> 0:58:33.635
<v Speaker 1>her a job at the assignment desk, which led to

0:58:33.675 --> 0:58:37.115
<v Speaker 1>her working in television news as an anchor for twenty

0:58:37.235 --> 0:58:42.515
<v Speaker 1>or more years. Worked out, okay, nothing untoward happened. The

0:58:42.515 --> 0:58:45.915
<v Speaker 1>only person who got actually violated in any sense there

0:58:46.035 --> 0:58:48.435
<v Speaker 1>was Ted getting hit in the face, not that he

0:58:48.435 --> 0:58:50.395
<v Speaker 1>would have felt it because again, there was so much

0:58:50.435 --> 0:58:52.675
<v Speaker 1>alcohol involve but the one thing I did not hear

0:58:52.715 --> 0:58:56.675
<v Speaker 1>in any of the obituaries of Ted Turner that kind

0:58:56.755 --> 0:59:03.395
<v Speaker 1>of disappointed me was this truth. Jane Fonda saved his life.

0:59:05.475 --> 0:59:09.315
<v Speaker 1>There is no other conclusion Ted Turner was on a

0:59:09.395 --> 0:59:13.395
<v Speaker 1>suicidal jag, whether or not he was overtly trying to

0:59:13.475 --> 0:59:16.955
<v Speaker 1>kill himself with alcohol or just was passively doing it

0:59:16.995 --> 0:59:19.195
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't want to do it in some other way.

0:59:19.475 --> 0:59:22.155
<v Speaker 1>I'll leave to your conclusions and the conclusions of his

0:59:22.235 --> 0:59:25.395
<v Speaker 1>various biographers. But I had one story. I don't think

0:59:25.435 --> 0:59:28.435
<v Speaker 1>I've ever told it publicly. I've told it privately many times,

0:59:28.715 --> 0:59:31.395
<v Speaker 1>and it was well known around CNN in nineteen eighty two,

0:59:31.435 --> 0:59:34.155
<v Speaker 1>again because of that football strike. I spent a lot

0:59:34.155 --> 0:59:38.075
<v Speaker 1>of time in Washington at the CNN bureau in Georgetown

0:59:38.115 --> 0:59:41.035
<v Speaker 1>in eighty two, and to a lesser degree eighty three,

0:59:41.075 --> 0:59:45.235
<v Speaker 1>probably a couple of months old, told and Ted was

0:59:45.275 --> 0:59:50.395
<v Speaker 1>still drinking. And one day one of our production assistants

0:59:50.755 --> 0:59:56.475
<v Speaker 1>Runners Couriers, full time employee, lovely woman named Paula, and

0:59:56.515 --> 1:00:01.315
<v Speaker 1>I'll just leave her last name out of it. Paula wonderful, nice,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty intelligent. I don't know what happened in her career.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it was good. She was just a nice

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<v Speaker 1>person there, and she was just a friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and she used to come out on shoots with us

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<v Speaker 1>to get an idea of how to do that. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's all it was, and that's all it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. And that's you know, that's it's just somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who worked with And Paula comes up to me one

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<v Speaker 1>day and she's white as a sheet. And Paula was

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, five two, five three, And Paula was

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<v Speaker 1>many wonderful things, but imaginative was not one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I never had any doubts that this story was true.

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<v Speaker 3>Keith.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got back from picking up mister Turner at

1:00:40.995 --> 1:00:44.635
<v Speaker 1>the airport and I went, oh, boy, here we go. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like that. That's how big his reputation was

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<v Speaker 1>among the women at CNN already by that point. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to say what she thought I meant, or

1:00:55.235 --> 1:00:58.515
<v Speaker 1>what I thought she meant. She said, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I we didn't have the all the crew cars were out.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go use my and she had like

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<v Speaker 1>a Simca. She had a car with a you know,

1:01:06.715 --> 1:01:10.275
<v Speaker 1>a square footage of like forty square feet. There might

1:01:10.315 --> 1:01:14.195
<v Speaker 1>have been a passenger seat maybe, and the car, knowing Paula,

1:01:14.275 --> 1:01:16.075
<v Speaker 1>it was full of garbage anyway, and she had to

1:01:16.235 --> 1:01:18.635
<v Speaker 1>brush it off to get him. She drove to Washington

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<v Speaker 1>National Airport, she explained, and she picked Paula up and

1:01:22.475 --> 1:01:25.195
<v Speaker 1>he didn't care because he was kind of drunk. And

1:01:25.235 --> 1:01:27.635
<v Speaker 1>they drove back to the hotel. And I think he

1:01:27.755 --> 1:01:30.875
<v Speaker 1>stayed at the Georgetown Holiday Inn, where the rest of

1:01:30.955 --> 1:01:34.075
<v Speaker 1>us did. I think CNN was usually fifty percent of

1:01:34.115 --> 1:01:39.115
<v Speaker 1>the population at that hotel, and it was ninety seconds

1:01:39.115 --> 1:01:41.195
<v Speaker 1>walk from the bureau, so it made perfect sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think Ted may have stayed there on a quick

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<v Speaker 1>flying trip through DC. And Paula went to get him,

1:01:46.755 --> 1:01:49.515
<v Speaker 1>and she was shivering and white as a sheet, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, Keith, I never got to say anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than hello, mister Turner, this is my car over here.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't good with the crew car. Then no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a problem, that little lady. Thank you, ah, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>He got in the car. Then he started talking about

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<v Speaker 1>talking about when he finally decided to do it, which

1:02:09.995 --> 1:02:12.435
<v Speaker 1>way he was going to kill himself, not whether or

1:02:12.515 --> 1:02:14.475
<v Speaker 1>not he was going to kill himself, but which way

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to kill himself. And I went, oh God,

1:02:17.755 --> 1:02:20.395
<v Speaker 1>and he he said, he said, you can't do what

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<v Speaker 1>my daddy did. You can't. You can't. I'm adding the

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<v Speaker 1>accent and the whole routine. You can't. You can't do

1:02:25.915 --> 1:02:27.915
<v Speaker 1>what my daddy did and blow your brains out in

1:02:27.955 --> 1:02:30.635
<v Speaker 1>the in the in the toilet, because then you never

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<v Speaker 1>get the blood out of the grout. You had to

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<v Speaker 1>redo the whole toilet in the bathroom, and you got

1:02:36.195 --> 1:02:39.995
<v Speaker 1>to pull out the sinks. And he talked about apparently

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<v Speaker 1>he went through every possibility of ending one's life and

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<v Speaker 1>two possibly the lowest ranked employee in all of Turner Broadcasting, Paula.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how self destructive Ted Turner was. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he met Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda, I only know I

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<v Speaker 1>met her once, very briefly. She was about eighty and

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<v Speaker 1>extremely fotatious and a gas to be with. And the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I don't think anybody ever got to read

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<v Speaker 1>people who hate her, people who love her, people who

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<v Speaker 1>just know her from the movies. And she might have

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<v Speaker 1>been taller, but not by much than Paula in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane's not a big, big person, but the gigantic personality

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet tall, and I knew of her only through

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Donald Sutherland, who had a relationship with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and described it in some detail. Nothing nothing, nothing scandalous,

1:03:44.035 --> 1:03:48.275
<v Speaker 1>and nothing too detailed, but enough to make me respect

1:03:48.955 --> 1:03:54.235
<v Speaker 1>Jane fondas as a as an alluring individual. How's that

1:03:54.475 --> 1:03:58.515
<v Speaker 1>for euphemisms? But she saved Ted Turner whatever it was

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<v Speaker 1>that was about Jane Fonda, the Jane Fonda that that

1:04:02.475 --> 1:04:05.635
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner knew, and I guess Donald Sutherland too, and

1:04:05.915 --> 1:04:08.395
<v Speaker 1>Roger Vadim and whoever else she was married to or

1:04:08.475 --> 1:04:13.875
<v Speaker 1>involved with. Ted Ted was told by Jane you have

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up your act. A. You're killing yourself. B.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to be with me, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>clean up your act. And he did in nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had said to me, okay, Ted Turner is

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<v Speaker 1>going to last, He's going to be alive when you're

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven years old, I would have taken that bet

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<v Speaker 1>for any amount of money, and I would have taken

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the possibilities of what would have happened

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<v Speaker 1>to him that in him living to twenty twenty six?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? I'm not sure he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>live to what time is it now? It's ten after four,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure he's going to make it to five thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not being exaggerative here. And Jane Fonda saved

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<v Speaker 1>his life. And what did he do with it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he repopulated the bison in this country. All the bison

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<v Speaker 1>who exists in the United States, basically have Ted Turner.

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<v Speaker 1>To think, much of the private environment mentalism in this

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<v Speaker 1>country was founded and funded by Ted Turner. He took

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<v Speaker 1>the money that CNN began to produce for him in

1:05:11.755 --> 1:05:15.355
<v Speaker 1>car load lots and spent it mostly on charity and

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<v Speaker 1>the environment and goodwill measure measures across the country. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out and the world, and it turned out

1:05:21.195 --> 1:05:25.275
<v Speaker 1>he was an extraordinarily sincere individual. And he meant all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that he intended with CNN, some of which

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<v Speaker 1>were achieved in some of which the opposite of which

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<v Speaker 1>was achieved, and none of which would have happened without Jane. Period.

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<v Speaker 1>She saved him. The second half of his life was

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<v Speaker 1>sobriety environmentalism and one terrible mistake selling CNN and that

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<v Speaker 1>horrible time Warner Merger. If he hadn't done that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he might have been in position to

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<v Speaker 1>do real damage to the creeping fascist movement that he

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<v Speaker 1>recognized twenty years ago. And Trump, and I mean Trump

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<v Speaker 1>particularly because Trump worshiped Ted Turner. Everybody has somebody they

1:06:08.435 --> 1:06:12.115
<v Speaker 1>think is much better than them in life, and Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>was Ted Turner. Not only did he worship him, he

1:06:16.315 --> 1:06:20.515
<v Speaker 1>envied him, and he was most importantly afraid of Ted Turner.

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<v Speaker 1>I never figured out what that was about, but I

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<v Speaker 1>heard it on countless occasions from countless individuals. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can go through all of the public comments that Trump

1:06:31.515 --> 1:06:35.715
<v Speaker 1>made about Ted Turner over the years. Something about Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Turner terrified Donald Trump. If Ted had been with us

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<v Speaker 1>for the last ten years in a more realistic sense

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<v Speaker 1>than he was, Who knows if CNN had been with

1:06:47.795 --> 1:06:50.555
<v Speaker 1>us in the last ten years, If CNN had just

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<v Speaker 1>had Ted Turner's name attached to it directly rather than

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<v Speaker 1>this succession of morons who have run it over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows how life would have been different in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that leads me into what I promised before. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to reread this script with which I opened The

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<v Speaker 1>Olderman Show on ESPN two on March twenty six, twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the script is self explanatory. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth reading it again, and then the reaction to it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the punchline that you may enjoy. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready?

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<v Speaker 3>Here goes?

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<v Speaker 1>We begin tonight with the Sports Emmy nominations. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we got Best Daily Sports Studio Show. I'm delighted for

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<v Speaker 1>the staff. They should get something besides having to work

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<v Speaker 1>with me. But my attention was drawn to the Lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>Achievement Award they will be giving out at the ceremonies

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<v Speaker 1>here in May. To Ted Turner, how did he not

1:07:53.915 --> 1:07:59.595
<v Speaker 1>have one already? What you watch now? Essentially he invented

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<v Speaker 1>all this, not ESPN. He didn't have that idea. Simately

1:08:06.315 --> 1:08:10.875
<v Speaker 1>this idea would surpass and subsume one big idea that

1:08:10.955 --> 1:08:15.035
<v Speaker 1>he did have. But sports on national television on more

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<v Speaker 1>or less a daily basis, Ted did that, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Sports Studio show on at the same time every

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<v Speaker 1>day or night. Ted did that too, and buying sports

1:08:29.515 --> 1:08:34.075
<v Speaker 1>teams to have something to put on your television station.

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<v Speaker 1>Ted did that too. WTCG Channel seventeen Atlanta was the

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<v Speaker 1>fringiest of fringe television stations when he bought it in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, but then six years later he bought first

1:08:47.475 --> 1:08:50.035
<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Braves and then the Atlanta Hawks, and he

1:08:50.075 --> 1:08:53.275
<v Speaker 1>bought a couple of satellite dishes, and the FCC made

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<v Speaker 1>the fateful decision to let him put Channel seventeen up

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<v Speaker 1>on the satellite so it could be shown on those

1:09:00.635 --> 1:09:05.915
<v Speaker 1>fledgling cable systems around the country. Ted Turner, who was

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<v Speaker 1>shameless among other things, promptly outbid George Steinbrenner and the

1:09:10.395 --> 1:09:13.755
<v Speaker 1>New York Yankees and signed the first baseball player ever

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of what we now know as free agency,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Messersmith. Messer Smith got what looked like all the

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<v Speaker 1>money in the world from Ted Turner, more money than

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<v Speaker 1>any baseball player had ever gotten or would ever get.

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<v Speaker 1>One million dollars yeah, over three years. With one catch.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to wear uniform number seventeen like the station number,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of having Messersmith written on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>his uniform shirt, he had to have the word channel,

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<v Speaker 1>so his uniform for at least the first couple of

1:09:55.235 --> 1:10:02.435
<v Speaker 1>days read Channel seventeen. Baseball stopped that right quick, and

1:10:02.515 --> 1:10:04.635
<v Speaker 1>it also stopped Ted the day he decided he would

1:10:04.795 --> 1:10:06.315
<v Speaker 1>like to see what it was like to manage the

1:10:06.315 --> 1:10:10.555
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Braves. His lifetime record was oh and one. But

1:10:10.675 --> 1:10:14.075
<v Speaker 1>the cable sports genie that was out of the bottle,

1:10:14.435 --> 1:10:17.395
<v Speaker 1>and nobody was stopping it. And the bottle and this

1:10:17.475 --> 1:10:20.395
<v Speaker 1>is a fitting analogy if I've ever written one, had

1:10:20.435 --> 1:10:25.515
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner's name on it. Next came news. Even then,

1:10:25.635 --> 1:10:29.355
<v Speaker 1>his crazy idea cable news network rested squarely on the

1:10:29.395 --> 1:10:34.955
<v Speaker 1>first regularly scheduled nightly sports newscasts in national television history,

1:10:35.595 --> 1:10:40.035
<v Speaker 1>CNN Sports Tonight at seven eleven and two am Eastern,

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<v Speaker 1>while Sports Center was on for fifteen minutes one night

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<v Speaker 1>at seven pm and an hour the next at ten

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen pm Sports Tonight on CNN. Was there come News

1:10:52.235 --> 1:10:57.955
<v Speaker 1>or high Water? Seven nights a week. Of course, Ted

1:10:57.995 --> 1:11:02.395
<v Speaker 1>Turner wasn't just shameless, He was also technically penniless. So

1:11:02.435 --> 1:11:04.755
<v Speaker 1>he hired a couple of real veterans to run and

1:11:04.875 --> 1:11:08.115
<v Speaker 1>anchor the thing. Bill McPhail, who helped invent the NFL

1:11:08.155 --> 1:11:12.035
<v Speaker 1>on CBS and Monday Night Football, and his former CBS

1:11:12.035 --> 1:11:16.915
<v Speaker 1>colleague Bob Westler, and Nick Charles, a star of Washington

1:11:16.955 --> 1:11:19.515
<v Speaker 1>and Baltimore sports casts. He spent the money on them.

1:11:19.635 --> 1:11:22.635
<v Speaker 1>Everybody else well. In nineteen eighty one, Ted Turner sent

1:11:22.675 --> 1:11:27.675
<v Speaker 1>Bill McPhail to hire somebody like me. When I told

1:11:27.715 --> 1:11:30.875
<v Speaker 1>Bill I made forty two thousand dollars the year before

1:11:30.915 --> 1:11:35.275
<v Speaker 1>working in radio for Charlie Steiner, Bill spit his drink

1:11:35.275 --> 1:11:38.835
<v Speaker 1>halfway across the room. We were planning on hiring six

1:11:38.915 --> 1:11:44.675
<v Speaker 1>guys to start with for a total of ninety five thousand. Later,

1:11:45.195 --> 1:11:48.675
<v Speaker 1>when we recalibrated, who got what of that ninety five thousand,

1:11:48.755 --> 1:11:53.035
<v Speaker 1>they got me anyway, And they got Dan Patrick and

1:11:53.235 --> 1:11:57.795
<v Speaker 1>Hannah Storm and Fred Hickman and Dan Hicks and Gary

1:11:57.795 --> 1:12:01.835
<v Speaker 1>Miller and dozens of others and reporters and cameramen and

1:12:01.955 --> 1:12:06.235
<v Speaker 1>editors and executives on shorts production assistant wound up becoming

1:12:06.235 --> 1:12:09.435
<v Speaker 1>the president of CNN. His name was Jim Walton. He

1:12:09.475 --> 1:12:13.235
<v Speaker 1>worked on one of my shows. Another became president of MSNBC,

1:12:13.395 --> 1:12:16.195
<v Speaker 1>Phil Griffin. He was my field producer in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN reshaped television sports, but early on CNN staffed ESPN

1:12:26.355 --> 1:12:29.555
<v Speaker 1>and much of the rest of the industry. And I'm

1:12:29.555 --> 1:12:32.875
<v Speaker 1>skipping how Ted Turner mainstreamed World Cup yachting at least

1:12:32.875 --> 1:12:35.475
<v Speaker 1>for a while, and Ted and TNT and Ted and

1:12:35.515 --> 1:12:39.475
<v Speaker 1>the Goodwill Games and Ted and World Championship Wrestling whose

1:12:39.515 --> 1:12:43.515
<v Speaker 1>matches were held right above the CNN newsroom, so you

1:12:44.315 --> 1:12:50.755
<v Speaker 1>could hear the wrestlers falling, particularly on Saturday afternoons when

1:12:50.755 --> 1:12:52.995
<v Speaker 1>they were live in the newsroom in Atlanta, you could

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<v Speaker 1>hear them fudding into the ceiling. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the Braves winning fourteen straight division titles under his ownership,

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<v Speaker 1>and the repopulation of bison in this country. But my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Ted Turner story comes from something he did not

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<v Speaker 1>pull off, not that he didn't try. When the football

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<v Speaker 1>owners forced the players out on strike in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Ted sent me to cover it every day for eight months,

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<v Speaker 1>and then one day he showed up to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>the players, and after a little tiff that I, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, mentioned earlier, when he came out, he announced

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<v Speaker 1>that he would bankroll and Tedle buys two games, one

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<v Speaker 1>at RFK Stadium in Washington, the other at the Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl in southern California. Basically, it would pit each of

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<v Speaker 1>them pick up teams of striking players the American Conference

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<v Speaker 1>versus the National Conference. He called it the All Star Season,

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<v Speaker 1>All Star season, acronym all Star Season. I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>about the acronym. He winked at me. He shushed me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he took aside and he asked me what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought of it, and I told him nobody would

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<v Speaker 1>watch and he would lose money. And he looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me and he said, nobody watches you, and I lose

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<v Speaker 1>money on you.

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<v Speaker 4>So what?

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<v Speaker 1>He then explained that what he was really doing was

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<v Speaker 1>setting the owners up. If he could put the games

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<v Speaker 1>together and get them on TV with no more than

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<v Speaker 1>a month's lead time, the players Union was going to

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<v Speaker 1>partner up with him. Ted Turner's real motive for the

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<v Speaker 1>ass the All Star Season ass ass ass was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>less than creating his own football league, twenty four teams

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<v Speaker 1>to begin play in this country in nineteen eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>and be televised exclusively on TBS. All he needed was

1:14:55.715 --> 1:14:58.795
<v Speaker 1>the players going along with him, and then a labor

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<v Speaker 1>court ruling that they would go and get that the

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<v Speaker 1>owners had forced the players union to strike would thus

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<v Speaker 1>allow the union to negotiate with new employers. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>standard provision of the National Labor Relations Board. Obviously he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get that court ruling. It's still the National Football

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<v Speaker 1>League as opposed to Welcome to season forty four of

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner's ass but Ted was shooting for nothing less

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<v Speaker 1>than killing the National Football League and replacing it with

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<v Speaker 1>a new one that he owned all by himself. Ted

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<v Speaker 1>would have owned football, technically co owned it with the players.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been pure goddamn socialism. And don't forget,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly all of this was done on a shoe string budget,

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<v Speaker 1>with borrowed money, with all of us his employees convinced

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<v Speaker 1>he was crazy, and the whole thing wouldn't last till

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<v Speaker 1>next Tuesday, And when we would get our paychecks, we

1:16:00.195 --> 1:16:03.035
<v Speaker 1>would race each other to the bank to cash them,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case there wasn't going to be enough for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>A Lifetime Achievement Award in Sports Television Emmys. Ted Turner

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<v Speaker 1>has been in the Television Hall of Fame since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one. A Lifetime Achievement award. Hell, they ought to

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<v Speaker 1>give him two a couple days later. Again, that was

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty six, twenty fourteen. I got a letter at

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<v Speaker 1>my home, very unusual. I didn't give that address out.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the mail somewhere else. March twenty eighth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four Mister Keith Olerman, two hundred and e sixty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth Street spelled correctly I might add New York, New

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<v Speaker 1>York one zero zero two to one. Dear Keith, your

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<v Speaker 1>piece on Ted Turner and the Lifetime Achievement Award was fantastic,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're right when you say he should get two

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Keep up the great work, Keep up the

1:17:03.795 --> 1:17:09.955
<v Speaker 1>great work. Is underlined in black sharpie, boldly with a

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<v Speaker 1>stroke underneath it with best wishes, sincerely Donald J. Trump,

1:17:21.315 --> 1:17:26.955
<v Speaker 1>and its signed. It signed rather reminiscent of that birthday

1:17:27.075 --> 1:17:35.275
<v Speaker 1>card to Jeffrey Epstein, it signed just Donald. When I

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<v Speaker 1>say Ted Turner somehow terrified Donald J. Trump, somehow was

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's dream and nightmare at the same time, I ain't

1:17:47.395 --> 1:17:55.235
<v Speaker 1>kidding he was so important to Trump. Trump wrote me

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<v Speaker 1>a fan letter about him. One more edition before we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap this up in on the actual hiatus, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of my dog Ted. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>tired of me talking about dogs, a screw you, b

1:18:12.635 --> 1:18:15.955
<v Speaker 1>you want to hear this one anyway. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most fantastic things that has ever happened in

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<v Speaker 1>my life or anybody else's. That's next.

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<v Speaker 2>This is countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>On the twenty eighth of July twenty twenty five, I

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<v Speaker 1>took my first rescue dog Ted, who had come to

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<v Speaker 1>me nearly what seven years previously as Spaghetti, a dog

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<v Speaker 1>who needed a Maltese of several months who needed heart surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I took him in for a checkup. Ted was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a foster. I was a perfect foster fail.

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<v Speaker 1>Ted became part of our little family of mostly dogs

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<v Speaker 1>and me, who they shared ownership of. And I said

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<v Speaker 1>to him, I will do anything for you except call

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<v Speaker 1>you Spaghetti. So Spaghetti Saghetti Teddy Ted my dad's name.

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<v Speaker 1>How perfect. Ted is a wonderful dog. He's about eight

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<v Speaker 1>pounds with a personality of about an eight hundred pound animal.

1:19:25.355 --> 1:19:29.595
<v Speaker 1>He loves people. He goes hunting for girls in Central Park.

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<v Speaker 1>He likes to cuddle up next to girls on blankets

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<v Speaker 1>in Central Park. They all say the same thing, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you teach him how to do this? And I say,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't teach him how to do it. I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>I get to learn it from him. Anyway. Ted was

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<v Speaker 1>having a checkup for his heart. He had the surgery

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<v Speaker 1>and it was brilliantly successful under the guidance of a

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<v Speaker 1>cardiologist and surgeon at the Animal Medical Center in New

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<v Speaker 1>York named Dennis trafney. He came through it with glowing

1:19:58.555 --> 1:20:00.795
<v Speaker 1>results so good that they wrote up the results of

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<v Speaker 1>what they called a ballooning to loosen up a stuck

1:20:04.035 --> 1:20:06.715
<v Speaker 1>valve inside at his heart, they put a thread in

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<v Speaker 1>through his juguar vein stopped his heart, pumped this little

1:20:11.395 --> 1:20:16.155
<v Speaker 1>balloon in his heart to knock the stuffy kind of

1:20:16.315 --> 1:20:19.315
<v Speaker 1>valve open and closed again and again, like you knock

1:20:19.435 --> 1:20:22.875
<v Speaker 1>the rust off hinges by continually opening and closing the door.

1:20:24.475 --> 1:20:27.715
<v Speaker 1>And he was fine ever since. But as often happens,

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<v Speaker 1>as usually happens with Malteses and with other small dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Russell's our common breed for this. King Charles Cavaliers

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<v Speaker 1>are common breed for this. He developed mitral valve disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Most Malteses will have this. It will contribute to their deaths.

1:20:46.355 --> 1:20:49.995
<v Speaker 1>However most of them have it as an annoyance. It

1:20:50.035 --> 1:20:52.595
<v Speaker 1>is quite literally a hole in the mitral valve, and

1:20:52.675 --> 1:20:56.235
<v Speaker 1>it causes blood to regurgitate, and it screws up that

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<v Speaker 1>system by which fresh blood with oxygen in it is

1:20:59.595 --> 1:21:03.515
<v Speaker 1>pumped around the body and the other blood, the used blood,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will use that expression, is brought back into

1:21:06.595 --> 1:21:09.555
<v Speaker 1>the heart and filled again in the lungs with oxygen.

1:21:09.835 --> 1:21:12.875
<v Speaker 1>It slows that down. It tires them out, but usually

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<v Speaker 1>it hits in their teens and if it hurts them,

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<v Speaker 1>if it contributes to premature death, it will be by

1:21:20.155 --> 1:21:22.595
<v Speaker 1>a factor of a year perhaps, and a Maltese in

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<v Speaker 1>good health can live to seventeen. I believe the record

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<v Speaker 1>might be twenty. I know of some who have led

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<v Speaker 1>lives of eighteen years. Ted was seven and a half

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and he had been a year before diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>with this disease that his sister, Rose was diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen. Rose had had by this point had

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<v Speaker 1>had mitral valve disease for seven years. They start with

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<v Speaker 1>a drug called pemo Benden, which is essentially a chewable

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<v Speaker 1>supplement that improves the heart in every area except the

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<v Speaker 1>mitral valve, so that everything else is working at top form,

1:21:59.915 --> 1:22:03.395
<v Speaker 1>and if it works right, you are essentially improving everything

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<v Speaker 1>else while the mitral valve disease reduces the quality of

1:22:07.275 --> 1:22:11.155
<v Speaker 1>the heart's efficacy in one area and you balance it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Rose's use of this drug has been so effective that

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<v Speaker 1>she has never She takes two a day, one in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning and one at night, and she has never

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<v Speaker 1>needed a third one, which she can have let alone

1:22:23.515 --> 1:22:28.595
<v Speaker 1>any kind of intervention. Rose has since twenty eighteen gotten

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<v Speaker 1>those two pills, and every one of her checkups has

1:22:31.315 --> 1:22:35.875
<v Speaker 1>been better than the previous one. Stevee, my oldest dog,

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<v Speaker 1>has this too. She has the following symptom every couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks. She does this one cough every three or

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks. This was the extent of her disease, her

1:22:48.955 --> 1:22:53.875
<v Speaker 1>mitro valve disease. As she approached her fourteenth birthday, but

1:22:54.035 --> 1:22:59.235
<v Speaker 1>Ted was beginning to well. He liked to sit on

1:22:59.275 --> 1:23:02.115
<v Speaker 1>my lap during walks. Walks were okay for him, a

1:23:02.115 --> 1:23:05.555
<v Speaker 1>little tense. Ted doesn't like dogs out there who are

1:23:05.755 --> 1:23:08.635
<v Speaker 1>bigger than he is without written authorization. He's one of

1:23:08.675 --> 1:23:12.195
<v Speaker 1>those dogs. He will not bark or bother dogs his

1:23:12.235 --> 1:23:15.235
<v Speaker 1>own size or smaller, and he's often quite friendly to them.

1:23:15.395 --> 1:23:18.035
<v Speaker 1>As I said before, he loves people. He has a

1:23:18.075 --> 1:23:21.795
<v Speaker 1>wonderful personality and is as handsome as the devil. And

1:23:21.875 --> 1:23:24.435
<v Speaker 1>he's very loud, and he will bark a whole lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and he loves to sit on my lap outside. He

1:23:28.195 --> 1:23:32.315
<v Speaker 1>loves to stand on my lap and bark at passer

1:23:32.435 --> 1:23:39.795
<v Speaker 1>by dogs. He's wonderful he is my son, and like

1:23:39.915 --> 1:23:43.435
<v Speaker 1>my dad, Ted, he's actually an architect. He builds himself

1:23:43.475 --> 1:23:46.635
<v Speaker 1>a little cocoon every night out of blankets, and sometimes

1:23:46.795 --> 1:23:49.315
<v Speaker 1>I swear to you he puts them in perfect form.

1:23:49.675 --> 1:23:52.755
<v Speaker 1>He's got a California ranch design he uses every six

1:23:52.835 --> 1:23:56.555
<v Speaker 1>days with his head while grunting and clearly swearing like

1:23:56.595 --> 1:24:00.075
<v Speaker 1>a Stevadoor. Ted puts together his home every night on

1:24:00.115 --> 1:24:05.315
<v Speaker 1>my bed. He's marvelous. But on these walks, the stops

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<v Speaker 1>to go and have a sit down on my lap.

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<v Speaker 1>We're increasing. And I noticed that he seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to stop every couple of blocks or in the park,

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<v Speaker 1>every I don't know, two or three hundred yards. When

1:24:19.155 --> 1:24:23.395
<v Speaker 1>it had been every four hundred yards or every five blocks.

1:24:23.395 --> 1:24:25.275
<v Speaker 1>Now it was half that. Now it was the only

1:24:25.315 --> 1:24:28.795
<v Speaker 1>thing I noticed. No cough, no lack of appetite, no

1:24:29.275 --> 1:24:32.595
<v Speaker 1>seeming lack of energy, just this one trait. And so

1:24:32.795 --> 1:24:35.395
<v Speaker 1>the checkup on July twenty eight, twenty twenty five, was

1:24:35.515 --> 1:24:40.875
<v Speaker 1>just that, a checkup, bi annual checkup, and the doctor

1:24:40.915 --> 1:24:43.435
<v Speaker 1>came back, the cardiologist at the Animal Medical Center in

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<v Speaker 1>New York said he's now in advanced mitrovalve disease. The

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<v Speaker 1>next step is congestive heart failure and death, and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing we can do about it. We can increase

1:24:57.595 --> 1:25:05.555
<v Speaker 1>his pemo bendin, we can try certain palliatives, but probably

1:25:05.595 --> 1:25:07.875
<v Speaker 1>he has a year a year and a half, and

1:25:07.995 --> 1:25:13.795
<v Speaker 1>it will be of decreasing quality, increasing stress, increasing grief.

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<v Speaker 1>While I was stunned, Ted is as vibrant as any

1:25:18.635 --> 1:25:24.395
<v Speaker 1>dog as I've ever met, and his volume embarking didn't

1:25:24.435 --> 1:25:30.395
<v Speaker 1>slow down. Ted is a straight forward, full speed ahead,

1:25:30.555 --> 1:25:33.755
<v Speaker 1>damn the torpedoes kind of dog. Ted leaves nothing in

1:25:33.955 --> 1:25:39.515
<v Speaker 1>the locker room. And I was shocked, and I didn't

1:25:39.555 --> 1:25:43.875
<v Speaker 1>see it. I didn't see any of the decline doctor

1:25:43.915 --> 1:25:46.675
<v Speaker 1>Betsy Bond was talking about, and there was no reason

1:25:46.715 --> 1:25:50.235
<v Speaker 1>to suspect she was mistaken. She had been She was

1:25:50.275 --> 1:25:53.595
<v Speaker 1>about to celebrate her fiftieth anniversary in the field at

1:25:53.595 --> 1:25:56.155
<v Speaker 1>the Animal Medical Center in New York and is revered,

1:25:56.235 --> 1:25:59.635
<v Speaker 1>and as the joke goes, it is literally true that

1:25:59.715 --> 1:26:02.795
<v Speaker 1>her ID is in black and white. She's been there

1:26:02.835 --> 1:26:05.035
<v Speaker 1>that long, and she is that much of an THINGT already.

1:26:06.315 --> 1:26:08.475
<v Speaker 1>In any event, I just didn't see it, and I

1:26:08.555 --> 1:26:11.555
<v Speaker 1>thought perhaps she was reading something wrong. Well, obviously that's

1:26:11.595 --> 1:26:16.395
<v Speaker 1>how you begin to act in denial. But I did

1:26:16.435 --> 1:26:20.275
<v Speaker 1>have something I could do to verify or refute what

1:26:20.355 --> 1:26:24.155
<v Speaker 1>she said. He was operated on as a puppy less

1:26:24.155 --> 1:26:26.915
<v Speaker 1>than one year old by as I mentioned before, doctor

1:26:26.955 --> 1:26:29.235
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Trafney, who had since left the hospital and become

1:26:29.275 --> 1:26:32.475
<v Speaker 1>a cardiologist working with dogs and other animals in New

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<v Speaker 1>York on a kind of freelance basis, going from veterinary

1:26:35.555 --> 1:26:39.035
<v Speaker 1>clinic to veterinary clinic on a once every two weeks

1:26:39.035 --> 1:26:42.115
<v Speaker 1>basis or thereabout, carrying his equipment with him and doing

1:26:42.115 --> 1:26:44.195
<v Speaker 1>a great service to a lot of people who could

1:26:44.235 --> 1:26:46.795
<v Speaker 1>not afford to go to the animal medical center. So

1:26:46.835 --> 1:26:49.475
<v Speaker 1>I made an appointment to go see Dennis Trafney, because,

1:26:49.555 --> 1:26:53.395
<v Speaker 1>after all, he had been inside Ted's heart. He knew

1:26:53.435 --> 1:26:56.035
<v Speaker 1>what he was talking about. He knew what he would see.

1:26:56.155 --> 1:26:59.915
<v Speaker 1>He would recognize it, he would know the territory. He

1:27:00.075 --> 1:27:04.355
<v Speaker 1>scoped Ted and felt his chest and assess things, and

1:27:04.755 --> 1:27:09.115
<v Speaker 1>closed his computer and looked at me and said, no,

1:27:09.275 --> 1:27:11.395
<v Speaker 1>she's right, and in fact, I think she may be

1:27:11.555 --> 1:27:14.755
<v Speaker 1>under selling it. This is what I would do if

1:27:14.795 --> 1:27:17.075
<v Speaker 1>Ted were my dog and he was my patient. So

1:27:17.155 --> 1:27:20.475
<v Speaker 1>I feel that sense of proprietorship. I would call the

1:27:20.595 --> 1:27:24.995
<v Speaker 1>University of Florida at Gainesville. I would call their veterinary clinic,

1:27:25.035 --> 1:27:28.035
<v Speaker 1>their small animal hospital, and I would do it, not

1:27:28.195 --> 1:27:31.115
<v Speaker 1>just today, I'd do it right now. I'd go out

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<v Speaker 1>into the lobby of this building or out unto the

1:27:33.235 --> 1:27:36.035
<v Speaker 1>street here and phone. I would not wait till you

1:27:36.075 --> 1:27:38.315
<v Speaker 1>get home, because it's already late in the afternoon and

1:27:38.355 --> 1:27:40.715
<v Speaker 1>you will have lost today. If you call today, you

1:27:40.755 --> 1:27:45.875
<v Speaker 1>can get this process started today. Don't wait till later. Well,

1:27:45.915 --> 1:27:47.995
<v Speaker 1>my blood ran cold at that. When was the last

1:27:47.995 --> 1:27:50.875
<v Speaker 1>time you were told something like that about yourself or

1:27:50.875 --> 1:27:53.115
<v Speaker 1>about a dog. Don't wait till you get home to

1:27:53.155 --> 1:27:55.115
<v Speaker 1>make this call. You have to do this now, not

1:27:55.275 --> 1:28:00.835
<v Speaker 1>half an hour from now. Ted blissfully unaware of this,

1:28:01.315 --> 1:28:05.635
<v Speaker 1>simply barked at a large dog walking past us. I called,

1:28:06.915 --> 1:28:09.635
<v Speaker 1>prepared to call the University of Florida, and then I

1:28:09.675 --> 1:28:12.795
<v Speaker 1>realized I didn't know why I was calling them. I said, Dennis,

1:28:12.835 --> 1:28:14.555
<v Speaker 1>why am I calling them? And he looked at me

1:28:14.675 --> 1:28:18.235
<v Speaker 1>like I had three heads. They're doing the Japanese surgery

1:28:18.275 --> 1:28:22.195
<v Speaker 1>there now, and I blinked at him briefly and went,

1:28:23.395 --> 1:28:29.035
<v Speaker 1>they are the Japanese surgery was something that Dennis Trafte

1:28:29.115 --> 1:28:31.835
<v Speaker 1>and I had talked about in twenty eighteen when he

1:28:31.875 --> 1:28:34.395
<v Speaker 1>operated on Ted for the stuck valve in his heart.

1:28:35.155 --> 1:28:37.235
<v Speaker 1>It was the backup in case that did not work.

1:28:37.275 --> 1:28:42.475
<v Speaker 1>Because in Japan, at a clinic in fact Yokohama, right

1:28:42.515 --> 1:28:47.435
<v Speaker 1>outside of Tokyo, they had developed, perfected and put into

1:28:47.595 --> 1:28:54.315
<v Speaker 1>use surgery to repair mitro valves and other small, microscopically

1:28:54.395 --> 1:28:59.275
<v Speaker 1>sized body parts in the hearts of small, almost microscopically

1:28:59.315 --> 1:29:04.435
<v Speaker 1>sized dogs like Ted. They were doing the equivalent of

1:29:04.995 --> 1:29:08.355
<v Speaker 1>surgery on a human infant, but on small dogs, and

1:29:08.555 --> 1:29:11.635
<v Speaker 1>essentially it was bypass surgery. The dog would be hooked

1:29:11.675 --> 1:29:15.035
<v Speaker 1>up to a heart lung machine. A profusionist, which is

1:29:15.075 --> 1:29:18.075
<v Speaker 1>what somebody who operates one of those is called, would

1:29:18.115 --> 1:29:23.795
<v Speaker 1>be operating Ted's or whoever's body his heart and lungs,

1:29:23.955 --> 1:29:27.315
<v Speaker 1>her heart and lungs. While this delicate surgery was done,

1:29:27.395 --> 1:29:29.675
<v Speaker 1>the surgery itself was not that much of a problem.

1:29:29.755 --> 1:29:33.355
<v Speaker 1>The process, the expense was, and it was being done

1:29:33.395 --> 1:29:36.475
<v Speaker 1>in Tokyo. There are all sorts of issues about getting

1:29:36.515 --> 1:29:41.315
<v Speaker 1>your dog to Tokyo from say New York, but now

1:29:41.355 --> 1:29:43.595
<v Speaker 1>they were doing it the University of Florida. I had

1:29:43.635 --> 1:29:46.515
<v Speaker 1>no idea, he said, Well, they're not promoting it yet

1:29:46.595 --> 1:29:49.715
<v Speaker 1>because they just started that I think last year maybe

1:29:49.795 --> 1:29:52.915
<v Speaker 1>or two years ago. But one of the Japanese doctors

1:29:52.955 --> 1:29:56.235
<v Speaker 1>is coming over and spends I don't know, five months

1:29:56.235 --> 1:29:58.315
<v Speaker 1>a year here and he does the surgery and he's

1:29:58.355 --> 1:30:01.435
<v Speaker 1>training the surgeons there and they're doing it. And Ted

1:30:01.995 --> 1:30:04.155
<v Speaker 1>would be a really good candidate, I think for this.

1:30:04.195 --> 1:30:06.555
<v Speaker 1>And I sard you recommend him, and I'm sure they

1:30:06.555 --> 1:30:08.795
<v Speaker 1>would at the AMC, and I said the AMC, they don't.

1:30:09.035 --> 1:30:11.275
<v Speaker 1>They said there was nothing to do. Well, there may

1:30:11.315 --> 1:30:14.675
<v Speaker 1>not be official methods of recommending this yet, and I'm

1:30:14.715 --> 1:30:17.315
<v Speaker 1>sure they're not convinced that this is any good. After all,

1:30:17.395 --> 1:30:20.035
<v Speaker 1>it's only been done on Earth for the last ten years.

1:30:21.235 --> 1:30:23.355
<v Speaker 1>They had begun to do it in London, I believe

1:30:23.435 --> 1:30:27.675
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty again repatriated Japanese surgeons who decided there

1:30:27.795 --> 1:30:30.795
<v Speaker 1>was a field to work in outside of Japan, and

1:30:30.835 --> 1:30:34.995
<v Speaker 1>who also altruistically, as is the case with the doctor

1:30:34.995 --> 1:30:38.875
<v Speaker 1>who went to Florida, doctor Matsura, they wanted to bring

1:30:38.955 --> 1:30:43.075
<v Speaker 1>this to America and teach American surgeons to do the surgery,

1:30:43.115 --> 1:30:45.875
<v Speaker 1>so that this surgery could be done at every place

1:30:46.075 --> 1:30:49.875
<v Speaker 1>where there were dogs facing death because of what could

1:30:49.915 --> 1:30:53.675
<v Speaker 1>now be corrected surgically. Damn the torpedoes and the cost.

1:30:55.595 --> 1:30:59.995
<v Speaker 1>If you wanted to spend the money and they had

1:31:00.155 --> 1:31:04.435
<v Speaker 1>the time. If you had eight days to keep your

1:31:04.475 --> 1:31:07.595
<v Speaker 1>dog in a surgical icee you after eight hours of

1:31:07.635 --> 1:31:13.275
<v Speaker 1>open heart surgery, why not what is more important to you?

1:31:13.875 --> 1:31:18.915
<v Speaker 1>Roughly the same price the life of your dog, particularly

1:31:18.915 --> 1:31:22.235
<v Speaker 1>if he's eight years or younger and might be getting

1:31:22.795 --> 1:31:25.075
<v Speaker 1>nine years more of life out of it instead of

1:31:25.115 --> 1:31:30.715
<v Speaker 1>a terrible death or a mid range SUV about the

1:31:30.715 --> 1:31:35.275
<v Speaker 1>same cost. Well, now they were doing this not in

1:31:35.395 --> 1:31:38.635
<v Speaker 1>Japan and London, but in Florida, and so we put

1:31:38.635 --> 1:31:42.755
<v Speaker 1>the wheels in motion to apply to the University of Florida, Gainesville,

1:31:42.755 --> 1:31:45.755
<v Speaker 1>which I had never been at, nor contemplated going to,

1:31:46.475 --> 1:31:49.835
<v Speaker 1>and an application a reference, a referral by the Anamal

1:31:49.875 --> 1:31:54.835
<v Speaker 1>Medical Center to the facility in Yokohama in Japan, and

1:31:55.155 --> 1:31:58.475
<v Speaker 1>to the Royal Veterinary College in London, the three places

1:31:58.715 --> 1:32:03.755
<v Speaker 1>on this planet where they did the surgery. Now I

1:32:03.755 --> 1:32:06.515
<v Speaker 1>immediately went into a stage in which I looked at

1:32:06.515 --> 1:32:11.155
<v Speaker 1>Ted and his robustness, and we walked home and he

1:32:11.275 --> 1:32:14.155
<v Speaker 1>was fine. I think we only stopped once. So He

1:32:14.275 --> 1:32:18.915
<v Speaker 1>blied all of the issues that were behind the idea

1:32:18.995 --> 1:32:21.595
<v Speaker 1>that he was sick, That he was not slowing down

1:32:21.595 --> 1:32:23.435
<v Speaker 1>because he wanted to spend more time on my lap.

1:32:23.555 --> 1:32:25.795
<v Speaker 1>He was slowing down because he was running out of stamina,

1:32:25.955 --> 1:32:29.475
<v Speaker 1>because his heart was very seriously damaged by this disease.

1:32:30.755 --> 1:32:32.995
<v Speaker 1>None of that was apparent, and I suddenly began to

1:32:33.035 --> 1:32:38.315
<v Speaker 1>think I was setting in process something that would risk

1:32:38.435 --> 1:32:42.235
<v Speaker 1>his life for something that need not be risked. In

1:32:42.275 --> 1:32:45.915
<v Speaker 1>other words, very bluntly, was I going to send him

1:32:45.955 --> 1:32:50.475
<v Speaker 1>onto an operating table for a very risky procedure that

1:32:50.555 --> 1:32:55.395
<v Speaker 1>could kill him, for a disease that would not kill him?

1:32:56.515 --> 1:33:00.635
<v Speaker 1>In other words, bluntly, Again, further on the bluntly scale,

1:33:01.995 --> 1:33:05.395
<v Speaker 1>was I making the choice to kill him at the

1:33:05.435 --> 1:33:13.395
<v Speaker 1>age of seven and a half. The application proceeded. We

1:33:13.515 --> 1:33:17.515
<v Speaker 1>had zoom meetings with the University of Florida doctor Matsura

1:33:17.795 --> 1:33:22.515
<v Speaker 1>and his fellow doctor Greta Chu, and in one memorable

1:33:22.595 --> 1:33:27.115
<v Speaker 1>zoom meeting, they scared the hell out of me. This

1:33:27.675 --> 1:33:30.395
<v Speaker 1>exacerbated my feeling that what if I was doing this

1:33:30.875 --> 1:33:33.235
<v Speaker 1>for me rather than for him. I mean, I knowe

1:33:33.275 --> 1:33:38.635
<v Speaker 1>the death by mitra valve disease for a dog is unpleasant,

1:33:38.675 --> 1:33:41.715
<v Speaker 1>to say the least. It is essentially an internal smothering.

1:33:43.115 --> 1:33:45.635
<v Speaker 1>Fluid goes into the lungs on top of everything else

1:33:45.715 --> 1:33:48.315
<v Speaker 1>that stops working. Now you have fluid in the lungs,

1:33:48.475 --> 1:33:54.195
<v Speaker 1>there are awful coughs. There are resting breathing rates of

1:33:54.395 --> 1:33:57.115
<v Speaker 1>fifty breaths a minute while the dog is deeply asleep.

1:33:57.555 --> 1:34:00.475
<v Speaker 1>A good number for a dog in a minute is twenty.

1:34:00.675 --> 1:34:04.915
<v Speaker 1>Twenty five is great, thirty is okay. Some dog in

1:34:04.995 --> 1:34:07.995
<v Speaker 1>deep sleep with great lungs and great hearts are as

1:34:08.035 --> 1:34:12.675
<v Speaker 1>low as fifteen. The dogs who succumb to mitrovalve disease,

1:34:12.875 --> 1:34:13.435
<v Speaker 1>it goes.

1:34:13.275 --> 1:34:14.115
<v Speaker 4>Into the fifties.

1:34:14.675 --> 1:34:18.275
<v Speaker 1>It's a horrible thing. It is literally your dog gasping

1:34:18.355 --> 1:34:26.035
<v Speaker 1>for breath, with no improvement possible. And the disease, as

1:34:26.075 --> 1:34:28.955
<v Speaker 1>horrible as it is, sometimes sounded like it was better

1:34:29.155 --> 1:34:32.955
<v Speaker 1>than the way they describe this operation because of all

1:34:32.995 --> 1:34:35.195
<v Speaker 1>the things that could go wrong, and all the things

1:34:35.275 --> 1:34:37.755
<v Speaker 1>you'd have to prepare yourself for. And when I say

1:34:37.875 --> 1:34:41.635
<v Speaker 1>all the things, they listed thirty or forty things that

1:34:41.715 --> 1:34:45.875
<v Speaker 1>could go wrong, and they do that deliberately. The demand

1:34:45.915 --> 1:34:49.435
<v Speaker 1>for this surgery is extraordinary, and they had just gone

1:34:49.835 --> 1:34:52.155
<v Speaker 1>to doing two of them a week. Because it is

1:34:52.195 --> 1:34:56.915
<v Speaker 1>an all day operation. It requires three people who are

1:34:56.915 --> 1:35:02.075
<v Speaker 1>designated as surgeons, the profusionist, doctor Chu, who is the

1:35:02.275 --> 1:35:05.355
<v Speaker 1>number two on this and doctor Matsura, who is at

1:35:05.355 --> 1:35:08.315
<v Speaker 1>this rate anyway here in this country thirty weeks of

1:35:08.315 --> 1:35:12.795
<v Speaker 1>the year working at the University of Florida, and there

1:35:12.835 --> 1:35:17.315
<v Speaker 1>can be unbelievable consequences. Usually not on the table. The

1:35:17.395 --> 1:35:20.275
<v Speaker 1>dog is usually since he supported by a heart lung machine,

1:35:20.315 --> 1:35:22.555
<v Speaker 1>is usually in good shape throughout the surgery. It is

1:35:22.595 --> 1:35:25.875
<v Speaker 1>in the hours thereafter that the nightmare can begin, when

1:35:25.915 --> 1:35:28.835
<v Speaker 1>the body will not restart, that it's been through so much,

1:35:28.875 --> 1:35:30.755
<v Speaker 1>that it's been through so much damage because of the

1:35:30.755 --> 1:35:34.755
<v Speaker 1>mitro valve disease, that simply eight hours of open heart

1:35:34.795 --> 1:35:37.995
<v Speaker 1>surgery on an eight pound dog is a terrible ratio.

1:35:39.275 --> 1:35:44.995
<v Speaker 1>And the dog succumbs, and there are blood clots, and

1:35:45.075 --> 1:35:49.675
<v Speaker 1>there is internal bleeding, and there are shocks, and there

1:35:49.675 --> 1:35:55.475
<v Speaker 1>are strokes, and there are organ failures. And the night

1:35:55.635 --> 1:36:00.155
<v Speaker 1>after the surgery, the hours between two am and sunrise

1:36:00.315 --> 1:36:04.395
<v Speaker 1>after the surgery are the dark period. Then every hour

1:36:04.435 --> 1:36:08.115
<v Speaker 1>after after that that the dog survives, it improves the

1:36:08.235 --> 1:36:11.675
<v Speaker 1>chances that there'll be another hour. Then another day, and

1:36:11.755 --> 1:36:15.835
<v Speaker 1>another month and another year. But the point of that

1:36:15.915 --> 1:36:18.115
<v Speaker 1>conversation is to get you off the list. If you

1:36:18.195 --> 1:36:20.435
<v Speaker 1>are not prepared to go the distance, you've got to

1:36:20.475 --> 1:36:23.195
<v Speaker 1>go to Gainesville, Florida. You've got to stay there with

1:36:23.315 --> 1:36:25.955
<v Speaker 1>your dog for at least eight days. He's going to

1:36:25.995 --> 1:36:27.955
<v Speaker 1>be in the ICU, and you're not going to see

1:36:27.995 --> 1:36:30.755
<v Speaker 1>him for at least forty eight hours. When you see him,

1:36:30.755 --> 1:36:32.555
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be wired up and he's going to

1:36:32.595 --> 1:36:35.235
<v Speaker 1>see you for about five minutes, and then you'll see

1:36:35.275 --> 1:36:38.235
<v Speaker 1>him in increasing doses during his stay there. But the

1:36:38.275 --> 1:36:40.635
<v Speaker 1>reason we keep him there is he is still at

1:36:40.755 --> 1:36:45.435
<v Speaker 1>mortal risk until we give him back to you literally

1:36:45.555 --> 1:36:50.635
<v Speaker 1>one week after you checked in. Then we should probably

1:36:50.755 --> 1:36:52.555
<v Speaker 1>have you stick around for another week and have you

1:36:52.635 --> 1:36:54.715
<v Speaker 1>recheck him in another week after that, and then there's

1:36:54.715 --> 1:36:58.075
<v Speaker 1>a recheck at your local hospital a month later, and

1:36:58.115 --> 1:37:01.435
<v Speaker 1>then at two months, three months, six months, a year

1:37:01.795 --> 1:37:06.875
<v Speaker 1>if you're lucky, And then there is that haunting thought

1:37:06.875 --> 1:37:13.075
<v Speaker 1>of what if he doesn't really need this? Ted was accepted.

1:37:13.795 --> 1:37:15.835
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have a zoom call in Japan. He was

1:37:15.875 --> 1:37:19.275
<v Speaker 1>accepted in Japan. He was to be accepted in London,

1:37:19.315 --> 1:37:21.515
<v Speaker 1>but something went wrong in the process, and by the

1:37:21.595 --> 1:37:25.995
<v Speaker 1>time that needed to be resolved it was an academic question.

1:37:26.315 --> 1:37:29.595
<v Speaker 1>I was ready to take him to Yokohama to go

1:37:29.675 --> 1:37:36.435
<v Speaker 1>through a sort of soft He wouldn't have been in

1:37:36.475 --> 1:37:39.515
<v Speaker 1>a cage somewhere, He would not have been in an

1:37:39.595 --> 1:37:42.435
<v Speaker 1>embargo situation somewhere, but he would have had to have

1:37:42.715 --> 1:37:46.355
<v Speaker 1>repeated tests so that he wouldn't carry rabies into Japan.

1:37:46.755 --> 1:37:49.275
<v Speaker 1>The Japanese islands are free of rabies and they intend

1:37:49.315 --> 1:37:53.515
<v Speaker 1>to keep it that way. But he was accepted at

1:37:53.515 --> 1:37:56.355
<v Speaker 1>the University of Florida. The question now became when would

1:37:56.435 --> 1:38:01.915
<v Speaker 1>he be scheduled. Our conference calls were in August and

1:38:01.995 --> 1:38:05.435
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of September in twenty twenty five, and the

1:38:05.475 --> 1:38:08.915
<v Speaker 1>next set of dates for this surgery, the mitro valve

1:38:08.955 --> 1:38:11.235
<v Speaker 1>surgery at the University of Florida, was to be in

1:38:11.275 --> 1:38:15.675
<v Speaker 1>March of twenty twenty six or March of twenty twenty six,

1:38:15.795 --> 1:38:19.035
<v Speaker 1>and Ted would be put on the emergency list. If

1:38:19.075 --> 1:38:21.955
<v Speaker 1>there was a cancelation, perhaps he could be scheduled earlier,

1:38:24.155 --> 1:38:27.635
<v Speaker 1>and repeated checkups at the Animal Medical Center were recommended,

1:38:27.675 --> 1:38:30.395
<v Speaker 1>and I should take good care of him and look

1:38:30.515 --> 1:38:33.355
<v Speaker 1>for the following things and not stress him out too much,

1:38:33.395 --> 1:38:35.995
<v Speaker 1>and keep him on walks, but keep him on short walks,

1:38:36.035 --> 1:38:39.195
<v Speaker 1>and be very responsive to when he wanted to stop,

1:38:39.235 --> 1:38:41.715
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps carry him home, and look for this, and

1:38:41.715 --> 1:38:44.155
<v Speaker 1>look for that, and look for this. And I was

1:38:44.195 --> 1:38:47.635
<v Speaker 1>one of the lucky ones who had been accepted. And

1:38:47.715 --> 1:38:49.795
<v Speaker 1>all this time I'm still thinking, what if he doesn't

1:38:49.835 --> 1:38:54.115
<v Speaker 1>really need this and I'm making a choice to put

1:38:54.155 --> 1:38:56.475
<v Speaker 1>him on that table, and what if he doesn't survive it.

1:38:58.795 --> 1:39:04.635
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anything more horrible. And everyone can

1:39:04.715 --> 1:39:07.635
<v Speaker 1>counseled me, Oh no, no, no, you're doing something extraordinary

1:39:07.675 --> 1:39:12.435
<v Speaker 1>for him. You're doing more this way. No, no, no, no,

1:39:13.835 --> 1:39:23.155
<v Speaker 1>tell that to yourself at three o'clock in the effing morning. Unfortunately,

1:39:23.635 --> 1:39:27.475
<v Speaker 1>or fortunately perhaps in one respect, that became an increasingly

1:39:27.515 --> 1:39:31.555
<v Speaker 1>academic question, as it was while we were waiting for

1:39:31.595 --> 1:39:33.595
<v Speaker 1>something to happen with his scheduling. Is it going to

1:39:33.635 --> 1:39:37.915
<v Speaker 1>be March? Something going to open beforehand? Maybe January December?

1:39:37.955 --> 1:39:42.715
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps if we were really lucky, something would happen. What

1:39:42.835 --> 1:39:45.155
<v Speaker 1>kind of operation could I make to get him down there?

1:39:45.435 --> 1:39:48.355
<v Speaker 1>We had all sorts of transportation issues, if you recall,

1:39:48.875 --> 1:39:52.155
<v Speaker 1>in the fall and early winter of twenty twenty five,

1:39:52.235 --> 1:39:56.675
<v Speaker 1>with airplane schedules being completely ruined by the Trump administration

1:39:57.155 --> 1:40:00.595
<v Speaker 1>and flights being canceled in long delays, And what if

1:40:00.635 --> 1:40:02.475
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get him there in time? And what would

1:40:02.475 --> 1:40:05.315
<v Speaker 1>I do? What about a train? What about making him

1:40:04.995 --> 1:40:12.555
<v Speaker 1>a care dog? I mean he was good at smelling

1:40:12.635 --> 1:40:16.595
<v Speaker 1>those many seizures that I have in connection to the

1:40:18.195 --> 1:40:22.155
<v Speaker 1>not so harrowing sounding disease I have called restless legs syndrome.

1:40:22.795 --> 1:40:26.635
<v Speaker 1>It's a real thing. But would he be qualified to

1:40:26.635 --> 1:40:27.315
<v Speaker 1>get on a train?

1:40:28.075 --> 1:40:28.875
<v Speaker 4>I get a car?

1:40:29.195 --> 1:40:31.515
<v Speaker 1>How would I get there? I have it never been that?

1:40:31.035 --> 1:40:38.355
<v Speaker 1>What's it near? One of the variables ended very quickly

1:40:39.115 --> 1:40:41.515
<v Speaker 1>while we were waiting for further word from the University

1:40:41.515 --> 1:40:45.995
<v Speaker 1>of Florida, and doctor Matsura and doctor chu Ted began

1:40:46.115 --> 1:40:48.875
<v Speaker 1>to really show symptoms of this disease. And by that,

1:40:48.995 --> 1:40:54.075
<v Speaker 1>I mean his heart rate got out of hand. You

1:40:54.115 --> 1:40:57.235
<v Speaker 1>could see the hair moving on his chest with every

1:40:57.235 --> 1:41:00.315
<v Speaker 1>heart beat, and when he would fall deeply asleep, his

1:41:00.355 --> 1:41:07.435
<v Speaker 1>breath would get up to thirty five forty five a minute,

1:41:07.715 --> 1:41:11.875
<v Speaker 1>and then he began to gasp for air, and as

1:41:11.915 --> 1:41:16.155
<v Speaker 1>September became October, I had to rush him to the

1:41:16.195 --> 1:41:21.515
<v Speaker 1>Animal Medical Center. Four different times each time he stayed

1:41:21.515 --> 1:41:24.875
<v Speaker 1>at least one night, I was with him on a

1:41:24.915 --> 1:41:28.955
<v Speaker 1>walk when he went into congestive heart failure. I could

1:41:28.995 --> 1:41:31.875
<v Speaker 1>see it on his face. I could not pinpoint the

1:41:31.915 --> 1:41:35.115
<v Speaker 1>exact moment, but we were walking along and he slowed

1:41:35.195 --> 1:41:37.875
<v Speaker 1>to a stop and looked up at me, and suddenly

1:41:37.915 --> 1:41:42.755
<v Speaker 1>his eyes were a little cloudy. And Ted has beautiful

1:41:42.835 --> 1:41:46.635
<v Speaker 1>perceptive piercing I know what you did last summer eyes,

1:41:48.595 --> 1:41:52.915
<v Speaker 1>as do all malteses. And I saw it, and I

1:41:52.995 --> 1:41:55.955
<v Speaker 1>knew it had happened, and it was October and he

1:41:56.075 --> 1:41:58.595
<v Speaker 1>needed the surgery, and it was clear to me he

1:41:58.675 --> 1:42:01.235
<v Speaker 1>not only needed the surgery. And all those worries I

1:42:01.275 --> 1:42:04.235
<v Speaker 1>had about making him go on to a table when

1:42:04.275 --> 1:42:06.315
<v Speaker 1>maybe he really didn't need this and I was risking

1:42:06.355 --> 1:42:09.035
<v Speaker 1>his life unnecessarily they were out the window and replaced

1:42:09.195 --> 1:42:11.475
<v Speaker 1>entirely by I need to get him on to that

1:42:11.555 --> 1:42:17.835
<v Speaker 1>table as quickly as goddamn possible. His grade, and they

1:42:17.875 --> 1:42:22.115
<v Speaker 1>grade the candidates for this surgery at the University of Florida,

1:42:22.715 --> 1:42:27.995
<v Speaker 1>drop from A one. You have the disease, but it's

1:42:27.995 --> 1:42:32.875
<v Speaker 1>not urgent B two, which was Ted's initial assessment. It's

1:42:32.995 --> 1:42:37.995
<v Speaker 1>worsening but still totally manageable, not impacting his life significantly.

1:42:38.995 --> 1:42:43.715
<v Speaker 1>He's he could plateau, he could get better, he could

1:42:43.755 --> 1:42:46.475
<v Speaker 1>wait for a while for the surgery. And then you

1:42:46.555 --> 1:42:49.635
<v Speaker 1>get into the numbers that indicate that congestive heart failure

1:42:49.635 --> 1:42:52.515
<v Speaker 1>has begun and the dissent could be within a matter

1:42:52.555 --> 1:42:56.675
<v Speaker 1>of weeks, certainly within months. And that was the day

1:42:56.715 --> 1:43:01.435
<v Speaker 1>they turned Ted from a B two to a C three.

1:43:02.555 --> 1:43:06.315
<v Speaker 1>He stayed one night for three days, and his habits,

1:43:06.515 --> 1:43:12.275
<v Speaker 1>his willingness to eat, dropped to almost nothing. And it

1:43:12.355 --> 1:43:16.315
<v Speaker 1>got so bad that at the AMC one of his

1:43:16.395 --> 1:43:19.435
<v Speaker 1>two cardiologists who worked with him on a regular basis,

1:43:19.515 --> 1:43:26.235
<v Speaker 1>one was Airon Achilles, and the other was a great,

1:43:26.835 --> 1:43:35.835
<v Speaker 1>great doctor Hunter Enderly, who took unbelievably personal care of Ted.

1:43:36.915 --> 1:43:41.355
<v Speaker 1>In the worst of the hours in September and October

1:43:41.395 --> 1:43:47.475
<v Speaker 1>and November of twenty twenty five, he gave him the cheapest, saltiest,

1:43:47.675 --> 1:43:52.675
<v Speaker 1>tastiest human chicken in a can. And Ted would eat that,

1:43:52.875 --> 1:43:55.195
<v Speaker 1>and we said, screw it, we're just trying to get

1:43:55.315 --> 1:43:58.875
<v Speaker 1>him in one piece onto that operating table. Whenever that

1:43:58.995 --> 1:44:05.395
<v Speaker 1>day comes. He ate that stuff. I mean you could

1:44:05.475 --> 1:44:08.195
<v Speaker 1>smell the salt on it. But he liked it. And

1:44:08.235 --> 1:44:09.955
<v Speaker 1>he would eat it, and he would eat nothing else.

1:44:10.195 --> 1:44:11.955
<v Speaker 1>And when I would go over and visit him while

1:44:11.955 --> 1:44:14.035
<v Speaker 1>he was hospitalized, he would eat it out of my

1:44:14.075 --> 1:44:16.235
<v Speaker 1>hand and then just curl up in my lap for

1:44:16.275 --> 1:44:20.035
<v Speaker 1>an hour or so and just sleep, breathing monstrously, heavily

1:44:20.195 --> 1:44:27.955
<v Speaker 1>all that time, slow motions. Suffocation of the first dog

1:44:27.995 --> 1:44:30.915
<v Speaker 1>I ever rescued, who I promised to do anything for,

1:44:31.715 --> 1:44:38.715
<v Speaker 1>And I could do nothing for him but wait. On

1:44:38.795 --> 1:44:42.555
<v Speaker 1>the night of Friday, November seventh, just as November descended,

1:44:42.635 --> 1:44:47.635
<v Speaker 1>the dark November of our souls, as Melville wrote in

1:44:47.675 --> 1:44:51.915
<v Speaker 1>Moby Dick, about quarter to seven, I think it was

1:44:52.115 --> 1:44:56.315
<v Speaker 1>my phone rang and the return address was Gainesville, Florida,

1:44:57.195 --> 1:45:00.395
<v Speaker 1>and I went no way, and it was doctor Greta Chu,

1:45:00.795 --> 1:45:04.635
<v Speaker 1>who said, there's been a cancelation. We have an open

1:45:06.115 --> 1:45:09.595
<v Speaker 1>Could you bring ted here and be here on And

1:45:09.635 --> 1:45:12.755
<v Speaker 1>I said, yes, I'll be there. And she said, I

1:45:12.795 --> 1:45:14.675
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell you what day it was. I said, I

1:45:14.715 --> 1:45:18.315
<v Speaker 1>don't care what day it is. Is it tomorrow? We'll

1:45:18.315 --> 1:45:23.355
<v Speaker 1>be there tomorrow And she said no, but almost, it's

1:45:23.875 --> 1:45:28.315
<v Speaker 1>a month from Sunday, December ninth. I said, we'll be there.

1:45:28.835 --> 1:45:31.675
<v Speaker 1>What time? Well, we check in about nine to forty five,

1:45:31.795 --> 1:45:36.315
<v Speaker 1>I'll be there at eight. So the next month literally

1:45:36.355 --> 1:45:40.555
<v Speaker 1>became Hunter Enderley and Aaron Achilles and the senior cardiologists

1:45:40.595 --> 1:45:48.795
<v Speaker 1>at the AMC, Phil Fox, Betsy Bond, all of them

1:45:48.955 --> 1:45:51.795
<v Speaker 1>just trying to get him to the finish line. Any

1:45:51.915 --> 1:45:54.435
<v Speaker 1>trick we had to do, anything we had to do

1:45:54.475 --> 1:46:01.315
<v Speaker 1>to improve something called see reactive protein score, which was

1:46:01.355 --> 1:46:04.515
<v Speaker 1>an overall indication of inflammation, which I learned. I learned

1:46:04.795 --> 1:46:09.555
<v Speaker 1>awful lot about mitral valve disease. And then as it

1:46:09.595 --> 1:46:12.275
<v Speaker 1>became increasingly apparent that there was nothing I could rely

1:46:12.515 --> 1:46:15.715
<v Speaker 1>on in a million years to get us there by

1:46:15.915 --> 1:46:18.755
<v Speaker 1>commercial air, and of course the variables of flying with

1:46:18.795 --> 1:46:20.795
<v Speaker 1>the dog. Would he have to go in the hold?

1:46:20.795 --> 1:46:22.435
<v Speaker 1>Would he have to go in a cage in the back?

1:46:22.435 --> 1:46:24.395
<v Speaker 1>Could he sit on the floor? Could he sit on

1:46:24.395 --> 1:46:29.515
<v Speaker 1>my lap? What about the train and the guide dog?

1:46:29.875 --> 1:46:33.755
<v Speaker 1>Could you know, wear dark glasses and lie and said,

1:46:34.075 --> 1:46:36.915
<v Speaker 1>was bad trouble with my vision? Was he? Was he

1:46:36.955 --> 1:46:40.835
<v Speaker 1>a support dog? Was he a seizure sensing dog? None

1:46:40.835 --> 1:46:45.955
<v Speaker 1>of this, None of it made sense. Pay the two dollars,

1:46:45.995 --> 1:46:49.395
<v Speaker 1>as the old line goes, I called up and rented

1:46:49.755 --> 1:46:52.115
<v Speaker 1>a private jet. I have never been on a private

1:46:52.195 --> 1:46:54.795
<v Speaker 1>jet in my life. I never anticipated doing it. I

1:46:54.875 --> 1:46:57.475
<v Speaker 1>think it is wasteful, I think it is ruinous. I

1:46:57.515 --> 1:47:00.475
<v Speaker 1>don't like it. I don't like small planes. I did it.

1:47:00.555 --> 1:47:02.755
<v Speaker 1>I did it round trip, and I said, well, okay,

1:47:02.755 --> 1:47:04.715
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sell that baseball card and this I

1:47:05.795 --> 1:47:08.035
<v Speaker 1>used game used baseball and I'm gonna sell that, and

1:47:08.075 --> 1:47:09.595
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to buy this, and I'm gonna do

1:47:10.035 --> 1:47:13.035
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it. We have to be there. We

1:47:13.115 --> 1:47:16.355
<v Speaker 1>have to be there that morning. It's his chance, and

1:47:16.435 --> 1:47:17.915
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it will work. I may be

1:47:17.955 --> 1:47:20.955
<v Speaker 1>bringing him to his death, but I know this. Whatever

1:47:20.995 --> 1:47:26.275
<v Speaker 1>his chances are, and they guestimated seventy percent, that's seventy

1:47:26.315 --> 1:47:29.155
<v Speaker 1>percent he has, and his chances of seeing the year

1:47:29.195 --> 1:47:32.475
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven if we don't do this are zero percent.

1:47:33.435 --> 1:47:37.315
<v Speaker 1>So my attitude switched entirely to I'm going to get

1:47:37.355 --> 1:47:46.075
<v Speaker 1>this done. Ted who I often quote as the producer

1:47:46.235 --> 1:47:49.475
<v Speaker 1>of this show, sits at my feet as he is

1:47:49.515 --> 1:47:54.595
<v Speaker 1>sitting now in my little studio. It is perhaps the

1:47:54.635 --> 1:47:59.275
<v Speaker 1>only time he is entirely quiet. It's the best kind

1:47:59.315 --> 1:48:05.115
<v Speaker 1>of producer. He's there to support and lick his feet.

1:48:09.515 --> 1:48:13.355
<v Speaker 1>We got there. We flew out of Teeterborough. And by

1:48:13.395 --> 1:48:16.475
<v Speaker 1>the way, was I ever wrong about flying in a

1:48:16.515 --> 1:48:19.155
<v Speaker 1>small plane? Oh my goodness, I don't know how the

1:48:19.155 --> 1:48:20.875
<v Speaker 1>hell I'm ever going to get on a real one again,

1:48:20.915 --> 1:48:23.235
<v Speaker 1>which is going to be extremely costly in the days

1:48:23.235 --> 1:48:28.355
<v Speaker 1>to come. And moreover, Ted loves flying, who knew, even

1:48:28.395 --> 1:48:30.075
<v Speaker 1>on the way down, as sick as he felt, he

1:48:30.355 --> 1:48:32.635
<v Speaker 1>just enjoyed the hell out of it. And we got

1:48:32.675 --> 1:48:38.115
<v Speaker 1>to Gainesville on Sunday, December seventh for December eighth check in,

1:48:38.395 --> 1:48:44.035
<v Speaker 1>And just after we arrived the airborne floods. It rained

1:48:44.075 --> 1:48:45.475
<v Speaker 1>like hell, and I don't know how we would have

1:48:45.475 --> 1:48:48.235
<v Speaker 1>gotten in commercially or any other way the rest of

1:48:48.275 --> 1:48:50.555
<v Speaker 1>that day. We would have missed the check in at

1:48:50.635 --> 1:48:54.795
<v Speaker 1>nine forty five. His window, his chance on December ninth

1:48:54.915 --> 1:49:01.355
<v Speaker 1>might have gone to some other dog. And so on

1:49:01.435 --> 1:49:04.075
<v Speaker 1>the ninth of December I got an uber and Oliver

1:49:04.195 --> 1:49:10.035
<v Speaker 1>we went to the University of Florida, which is a magnificent, sprawling,

1:49:10.315 --> 1:49:13.955
<v Speaker 1>gigantic community that, other than the lack of snow and hills,

1:49:14.075 --> 1:49:18.195
<v Speaker 1>immediately reminded me of Corneill University, especially the emphasis on

1:49:18.275 --> 1:49:23.355
<v Speaker 1>agriculture and the intellectual superiority of that environment, even though

1:49:23.395 --> 1:49:27.155
<v Speaker 1>it's surrounded by horse farms and open piles of manure.

1:49:28.115 --> 1:49:37.035
<v Speaker 1>Just like itthaic of New York, rural, rural, rural, educational oasis, rural, rural, rural,

1:49:39.635 --> 1:49:44.275
<v Speaker 1>A magnificent facility at the University of Florida. The city

1:49:44.315 --> 1:49:46.555
<v Speaker 1>in Florida, by the way, Gainesville, that is furthest away

1:49:46.555 --> 1:49:49.595
<v Speaker 1>from any beach, and so furthest away from your idea

1:49:49.715 --> 1:49:52.875
<v Speaker 1>of what Florida cities look like. There's Spanish moss on

1:49:52.915 --> 1:49:57.035
<v Speaker 1>the trees. It's just Georgia called Florida in many senses.

1:49:57.795 --> 1:50:01.875
<v Speaker 1>I like the town immeasurably. The hotel was great, and

1:50:01.955 --> 1:50:04.515
<v Speaker 1>it was a hotel full of dogs because half the

1:50:04.675 --> 1:50:06.995
<v Speaker 1>people who were there were there to have their animals

1:50:07.115 --> 1:50:10.835
<v Speaker 1>treated at the small or large animal hospitals at the

1:50:10.955 --> 1:50:13.675
<v Speaker 1>University of Florida, which, by the way, have a footprint

1:50:13.675 --> 1:50:17.155
<v Speaker 1>the size of Madison Square Garden. I have never before,

1:50:17.195 --> 1:50:20.075
<v Speaker 1>being an arrogant New Yorker, ever thought of myself as

1:50:20.115 --> 1:50:23.155
<v Speaker 1>the guy who just fell off the turnip truck. The

1:50:23.395 --> 1:50:25.795
<v Speaker 1>yokel from out of town says, gee, you look at

1:50:25.795 --> 1:50:29.475
<v Speaker 1>all the big buildings. That was me. Their waiting room

1:50:29.555 --> 1:50:33.555
<v Speaker 1>is three stories tall. It's a five minute walk to

1:50:33.595 --> 1:50:36.035
<v Speaker 1>the back, and in the back of the waiting room

1:50:36.435 --> 1:50:40.955
<v Speaker 1>there's a bagel shop. There's a bagel shop that serves

1:50:42.035 --> 1:50:47.195
<v Speaker 1>mixed coffee like a Starbucks. The waiting room at the

1:50:47.235 --> 1:50:50.155
<v Speaker 1>Animal Medical Center perhaps the finest facility in the Northeast,

1:50:51.395 --> 1:50:54.435
<v Speaker 1>as a bench and a bunch of chairs, and they've

1:50:54.435 --> 1:50:57.715
<v Speaker 1>recently celebrated the reopening of the parking space out front

1:50:57.995 --> 1:51:00.755
<v Speaker 1>three hundred parking spaces at the University of Florida. I

1:51:00.875 --> 1:51:05.755
<v Speaker 1>was kind of impressed, and then I met the doctors.

1:51:06.195 --> 1:51:13.155
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Chu was gracious and professional. Doctor Matsua was warm kind.

1:51:15.275 --> 1:51:17.875
<v Speaker 1>I was told later that his favorite thing after one

1:51:17.875 --> 1:51:21.155
<v Speaker 1>of these surgeries is to be the first to take

1:51:21.235 --> 1:51:25.355
<v Speaker 1>the dog he has operated on out for a pee.

1:51:28.235 --> 1:51:30.115
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see your heart surgeon do that with

1:51:30.235 --> 1:51:36.875
<v Speaker 1>you now. There was one shocking moment when I handed

1:51:37.035 --> 1:51:41.315
<v Speaker 1>doctor Matsura my boy Ted, who, of course tail wagging

1:51:41.355 --> 1:51:44.395
<v Speaker 1>and bright eyed, even though he was so sick. I

1:51:44.515 --> 1:51:50.035
<v Speaker 1>handed him to doctor Matsua, and doctor Matsua involuntarily felt

1:51:50.275 --> 1:51:55.675
<v Speaker 1>how powerful, overly powerful his heartbeat was, and he just

1:51:56.195 --> 1:52:01.195
<v Speaker 1>went and I went, yeah, I have a feeling we

1:52:01.235 --> 1:52:04.395
<v Speaker 1>got here just in time. And he said yes, you did.

1:52:05.115 --> 1:52:11.555
<v Speaker 1>We will take care of him. I would like to

1:52:11.555 --> 1:52:13.675
<v Speaker 1>say that the next twenty four hours were the longest

1:52:13.675 --> 1:52:15.435
<v Speaker 1>of my life, but that would be a lie, because

1:52:15.515 --> 1:52:18.635
<v Speaker 1>my job was to get him there, and I did it.

1:52:20.595 --> 1:52:23.395
<v Speaker 1>I spent the money, I made the effort, I got

1:52:23.395 --> 1:52:25.915
<v Speaker 1>the right doctors to help him. I devoted that month

1:52:25.995 --> 1:52:30.755
<v Speaker 1>to him. I couldn't do anything else, but I did it.

1:52:30.835 --> 1:52:33.315
<v Speaker 1>I did my part of it. I'm not the surgeon.

1:52:34.835 --> 1:52:38.595
<v Speaker 1>I know the difference. I was preparing to say goodbye

1:52:38.675 --> 1:52:43.435
<v Speaker 1>to him when I handed him to doctor matsur if

1:52:43.475 --> 1:52:45.955
<v Speaker 1>I never saw him again. I knew at that point

1:52:45.995 --> 1:52:48.875
<v Speaker 1>that the worst outcome was not him dying during the

1:52:48.915 --> 1:52:51.915
<v Speaker 1>operation or after it, but him dying of this terrible

1:52:51.955 --> 1:52:58.395
<v Speaker 1>disease and essentially suffocating over months while I watched and

1:52:58.475 --> 1:53:03.435
<v Speaker 1>could do nothing. That was the worst outcome. Something untoward

1:53:03.635 --> 1:53:07.235
<v Speaker 1>happening during the sury was the second worst outcome. Everything

1:53:07.235 --> 1:53:15.075
<v Speaker 1>else was perfection. And so I waited, and they spent

1:53:15.115 --> 1:53:18.675
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the day examining him and checking blood

1:53:18.715 --> 1:53:22.115
<v Speaker 1>pressure measurements, and I believe thirty six different locations on

1:53:22.195 --> 1:53:24.955
<v Speaker 1>his body, and he's not that big, so they knew

1:53:24.995 --> 1:53:29.275
<v Speaker 1>exactly where to make the incisions, a day's worth of

1:53:29.435 --> 1:53:33.955
<v Speaker 1>pre operation screenings, and the next morning, I guess about

1:53:33.995 --> 1:53:37.395
<v Speaker 1>six am, he went in and was given the initial

1:53:37.435 --> 1:53:40.075
<v Speaker 1>sedation so they could do even more tests and take

1:53:40.155 --> 1:53:43.395
<v Speaker 1>more scopes and take more pictures and take more videos. Because,

1:53:43.395 --> 1:53:45.675
<v Speaker 1>as I said, the premise of this is not that

1:53:45.795 --> 1:53:50.995
<v Speaker 1>it's untoward outer space miraculous surgery. It's that you are

1:53:51.035 --> 1:53:54.155
<v Speaker 1>applying what you would do to a baby that size

1:53:54.195 --> 1:53:57.555
<v Speaker 1>only to a dog, and each time you do it,

1:53:57.635 --> 1:54:01.435
<v Speaker 1>you learn a little bit more, hasten the process, lower

1:54:01.475 --> 1:54:09.835
<v Speaker 1>the cost, and eventually the dog, god willing, this becomes

1:54:09.835 --> 1:54:17.675
<v Speaker 1>available to almost everybody. The surgery itself began, I guess

1:54:17.715 --> 1:54:22.715
<v Speaker 1>a little before nine on December ninth, Tuesday, twenty twenty five,

1:54:23.595 --> 1:54:28.275
<v Speaker 1>and it lasted until about four pm. They told me

1:54:28.355 --> 1:54:31.715
<v Speaker 1>to expect a call. There's no reason to hang around.

1:54:31.715 --> 1:54:34.755
<v Speaker 1>They weren't going to let me see him. There was

1:54:34.795 --> 1:54:38.915
<v Speaker 1>nothing I could do if it went wrong. Go back

1:54:38.915 --> 1:54:41.555
<v Speaker 1>to the hotel and wait there, try to rest, do something.

1:54:42.035 --> 1:54:43.995
<v Speaker 1>There are caves with bats in them if you want

1:54:43.995 --> 1:54:45.395
<v Speaker 1>to go see that, and I was like, yes, that's

1:54:45.435 --> 1:54:51.195
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I want to do. You'll be hearing from

1:54:51.315 --> 1:54:55.275
<v Speaker 1>us no later than five point thirty six o'clock, six o'clock,

1:54:55.315 --> 1:55:01.395
<v Speaker 1>they haven't called. Now I'm beginning to go cold. At

1:55:01.435 --> 1:55:03.995
<v Speaker 1>six point twenty, the phone rings. It's doctor Chew. Everything

1:55:04.035 --> 1:55:07.235
<v Speaker 1>went well. There are a few minor glitches, but nothing untoward.

1:55:07.755 --> 1:55:10.115
<v Speaker 1>He was much sicker than we thought, just like you said,

1:55:10.115 --> 1:55:13.675
<v Speaker 1>but you got the inflammation down sufficiently. That sea reactive

1:55:13.715 --> 1:55:17.115
<v Speaker 1>protein crap. That worked out. Okay, good job by you

1:55:17.195 --> 1:55:19.155
<v Speaker 1>and the guys at the AMC. She didn't put it

1:55:19.235 --> 1:55:23.635
<v Speaker 1>quite that way. Now we wait. We wait to make

1:55:23.675 --> 1:55:26.275
<v Speaker 1>sure his heart gets going again on its own, all

1:55:26.315 --> 1:55:29.035
<v Speaker 1>of his organs. And if you do not hear from

1:55:29.155 --> 1:55:40.315
<v Speaker 1>us overnight, that's good news. On Wednesday the tenth, my

1:55:40.475 --> 1:55:44.755
<v Speaker 1>eyes opened close open slowly to the light coming in

1:55:44.795 --> 1:55:48.315
<v Speaker 1>through the window with the Hilton on the campus at

1:55:48.355 --> 1:55:49.475
<v Speaker 1>the University of Florida.

1:55:50.355 --> 1:55:53.595
<v Speaker 2>And I looked at my phone and it was seven

1:55:53.715 --> 1:56:02.835
<v Speaker 2>forty five and the goddamn morning. And I shouted.

1:56:04.075 --> 1:56:06.355
<v Speaker 1>And the phone. I don't think it was ten minutes later,

1:56:06.395 --> 1:56:09.715
<v Speaker 1>as doctor Chew, he's doing very well. There was an

1:56:09.755 --> 1:56:12.395
<v Speaker 1>hour in there where we weren't sure which direction it

1:56:12.435 --> 1:56:15.795
<v Speaker 1>was going to go, but he fought through it. He

1:56:15.835 --> 1:56:20.755
<v Speaker 1>had what we call smoke and I said, what on

1:56:20.875 --> 1:56:24.995
<v Speaker 1>God's name is smoke? Well, it's kind of a precursor

1:56:25.955 --> 1:56:29.875
<v Speaker 1>for blood clots, kind of a haziness that appears in

1:56:29.915 --> 1:56:32.515
<v Speaker 1>our videos and our scopes, and it was there, and

1:56:32.555 --> 1:56:37.795
<v Speaker 1>we thus have to increase the blood thinners so that

1:56:37.835 --> 1:56:40.235
<v Speaker 1>the clots don't form and the stroke doesn't happen and

1:56:40.275 --> 1:56:42.635
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't die because of that. There's still many risks,

1:56:42.635 --> 1:56:45.355
<v Speaker 1>but that's the primary one. We're beginning to see it dissipate,

1:56:45.475 --> 1:56:52.235
<v Speaker 1>so you can come see him this afternoon. Okay, fell

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<v Speaker 1>back asleep, immediately, got up in plenty of time for

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<v Speaker 1>the pre arranged hour, went in and saw him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I walk in and there he is in his oxygen room, awake,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting up, not sedated, not zoned out by the drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of wires, wearing a sweater. Doctor Matsura is there,

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<v Speaker 1>a big smile on his face, shakes my hand. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it went very well. So far it has.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no more smoke. Doctor Chu smiled. They opened the gates.

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<v Speaker 1>I petted him, I leaned down and kissed him, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when he recognized me from the smell, I assume,

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<v Speaker 1>and started barking his head off, and I know all

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<v Speaker 1>of Ted's barks, and that one was get me the

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<v Speaker 1>f out of here, at which point I said, i'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you tomorrow. Let's not agitate him any further, and

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<v Speaker 1>they put him back in And the next day I

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<v Speaker 1>came and saw him and they brought him into the

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<v Speaker 1>room with me. They detached him from all of his connections,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw him for maybe twenty minutes that day

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<v Speaker 1>the Thursday, and then Friday it was more like an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and we went for a walk with doctor Matsura, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Saturday it was a couple of hours, and Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>it was more and Monday they examined him and discharged him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I took him back to the hotel, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had thought about going immediately back to New York, but

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<v Speaker 1>the point was that in that first week after the surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to stay away from other dogs, and he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be carefully controlled because he's on blood thinners

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<v Speaker 1>because the clot risk is still there, so he can't fall.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're going to have him anywhere, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a position where if there is a

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<v Speaker 1>fall or a collision or something, you can get him

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital immediately. Why am I going back also

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<v Speaker 1>to New York when these doctors here in Gainesville who

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<v Speaker 1>just did a literally life saving, last minute job, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see it in his eyes. They were just

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<v Speaker 1>inside this heart. They know not only what they should see,

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<v Speaker 1>but what they are not seeing. They were just they

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<v Speaker 1>So we hung around for a week, just me and Ted,

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<v Speaker 1>going for like three walks of maybe five minutes a day,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got better and better and better and better.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ted, who was on when we left New York

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<v Speaker 1>seven different medications, and who was on in the week

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<v Speaker 1>until the recheck before we left Gainesville, Florida, two days

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<v Speaker 1>before Christmas twenty twenty five, Ted was on seven different medications,

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<v Speaker 1>eight different medications, most of which had to be refrigerated,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to give it to them three times

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<v Speaker 1>a day. And he wanted to run around because he

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<v Speaker 1>felt so good because of course his heart now worked

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't leaking blood all through him. We come

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<v Speaker 1>out of the recheck a week later and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>on any medications anymore except the blood thinners. Three months

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<v Speaker 1>on the blood thinners, that's it. We flew back to

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<v Speaker 1>New York the next day, once again an hour on

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<v Speaker 1>my lap Ted looking out the window, clearly getting the concept,

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<v Speaker 1>barking happily and waving his tail, waving his tail like

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<v Speaker 1>a scimitar, waving his tail at the clouds. He loved flying,

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<v Speaker 1>took a nap, woke up and got up and loved

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<v Speaker 1>flying the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the way. That was Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day since then Ted has gotten a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 1>The major issue with Ted at this point, Ted causes

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<v Speaker 1>my wrist to hurt because he pulls on our walks.

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<v Speaker 1>He pulls on the leash because he has so much

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<v Speaker 1>energy because his heart is now fine. The first time

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<v Speaker 1>he was rechecked at the one month mark at the

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<v Speaker 1>Animal Medical Center, doctor Aaron Achilles, who I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Hunter Enderley, the two local managers of this project,

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<v Speaker 1>said well, he's doing fantastically. The results are this is

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<v Speaker 1>a different dog. It's just great. But we want to

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<v Speaker 1>continue the PMO bendon just for precaution. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he was taken off the PMO bendin after

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<v Speaker 1>the surgery, and she went, what, well, then, these these

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<v Speaker 1>are not tremendous results. These are unbelievable results. This is perfection.

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<v Speaker 1>The official opinion of the Animal Medical Center on this

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<v Speaker 1>procedure on this surgery, on the Japanese surgery to use

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Trafney's term is there now in favor of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they now recommend it, and they now tell their

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<v Speaker 1>clients who are in this situation, and unfortunately there are

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<v Speaker 1>dozens every month. You should call the University of Florida

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<v Speaker 1>a small animal hospital, because this works and it will

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<v Speaker 1>save dogs. Ted was the eighty third dog to get

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<v Speaker 1>this surgery in North America, or South America for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>or in fact anywhere except London or Japan. Eighty third.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had been born ten years earlier than he was,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had become a dog person ten years earlier

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<v Speaker 1>than I did, he would have been out of luck.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have had to find a different planet to

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<v Speaker 1>go to. They didn't do this surgery in twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen anywhere, and now we had this. When I first

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<v Speaker 1>found out about it, my first response was, what about

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<v Speaker 1>the other Ted's whose humans can't possibly afford this figure, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pay for somebody who can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in discussions at the University of Florida and

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<v Speaker 1>discussions with friends of mine, it dawned on me that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a bad gesture. But the problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't increase the number of dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Who get this operation and get their lives saved.

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<v Speaker 1>It just changes the socioeconomic nature of one of them

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<v Speaker 1>or two of them. So while I make efforts to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fund another program somewhere so this can be done,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe here in New York, maybe an expansion of the program,

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<v Speaker 1>since it's already up and running at the University of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>They are dark twenty two weeks a year while doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Matsura is back in Japan while we work on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I am very happy to say that I met someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's dog was also dying of mitral valve disease, and

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<v Speaker 1>who was in fact in worse shape than Ted. And

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<v Speaker 1>this guy had this, then he is now fine. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he is now off meds. Because this works. The punchline

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this, especially in the context of other

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<v Speaker 1>things I have discussed here on this program, was when

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<v Speaker 1>they told me about the smoke and the threat of

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<v Speaker 1>blood clots and thus seizures I've mentioned before. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty spiritual. Certainly dogs have increased my spirituality and

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<v Speaker 1>my belief in the meaningfulness of the universe and the

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<v Speaker 1>intentionality of the universe, But I subscribe to no religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them make me laugh out loud at

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<v Speaker 1>the obviousness of the scam that they are perpetrating on people.

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<v Speaker 1>But the belief is a different issue altogether. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think you can talk directly with whatever you think the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is. If you like to go to church because

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<v Speaker 1>you like to sing, have a nice Sunday. Otherwise, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can do it in the privacy of your

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<v Speaker 1>own mind, and in the privacy of my own mind.

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<v Speaker 1>When they told me what faced ted on that night

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<v Speaker 1>of nightmares in the hours after the surgery, as December

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<v Speaker 1>ninth became December tenth, I said, one thing, universe, blood clots, strokes,

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<v Speaker 1>heart disease, give it to me instead. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice to know that sometimes somebody, something, some entity in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe listens to you and says it's a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the Large Animal Hospital down at the

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<v Speaker 1>other end of the waiting room at the Small Animal

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital at the University of Florida at Gainesville, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they do dentals, dentals on tigers. And as I said

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<v Speaker 1>to doctor Darcy Aiden, who's one of the heads of

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<v Speaker 1>the Small Animal program there like me at Cornell grad

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<v Speaker 1>Corneill Vett, and I'm Cornell agg I said, they are

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<v Speaker 1>sedated for that right if you or a dog, If

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<v Speaker 1>your dog or a dog you know is up against it,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if it's heart. The University of Florida. Hopefully in

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<v Speaker 1>the next ten years that can expand to University of

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<v Speaker 1>Florida or over here, over there, over there, over here,

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<v Speaker 1>over here, right now, call them, I mean, I said

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<v Speaker 1>to them, if I ever had a heart problem, could

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<v Speaker 1>I just come down here and scrunch up on one

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<v Speaker 1>of the tables. If you guys could work on a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger you know, a bigger canvas than you're used to,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sign. I'll sign something all right on that point,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>That's countdown for today, Day four hundred and seventy seven

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<v Speaker 1>six days until the scheduled end of Trump's lame duck

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files remember them, or Iran where he's losing because

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<v Speaker 1>he's an idiot, or by Patel Brand Bourbon, or most

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<v Speaker 1>likely by the urine colored walls of his oval office

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<v Speaker 1>and his urine colored hair in my absence. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Trump Gold, say that is Trump. Urine. The next scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>countdown will be I don't know. I bet you can

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<v Speaker 3>He's made some deal with the deem state to throw

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