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Speaker 2: Hello Slave, Yes, I was in a meeting.
Speaker 3: I just read here text.
Speaker 4: It is January ninth, twenty twenty six, and producer Julita
Speaker 4: Martinelli steps out of a meeting to answer a call.
Speaker 5: He he is getting out today.
Speaker 2: I'm heading right there to the nursing home right now.
Speaker 4: It's a call that we we've been waiting for for
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 2: As we speak, they turned for him out now.
Speaker 6: Then the reason they didn't tell.
Speaker 2: Is yesterday because the policies they can tell you when
Speaker 2: they're coming on.
Speaker 4: Marieta's on the phone with Swave, a former juvenile lifer
Speaker 4: and the subject of our Pulitzer Prize winning podcast about
Speaker 4: life after incarceration. I met Swave over thirty years ago
Speaker 4: and stayed in touch with him for decades while he
Speaker 4: was in prison. Then in our podcast Swave, we documented
Speaker 4: his release in twenty seventeen and his reentry. Rita was
Speaker 4: a producer and host of the second season of the podcast.
Speaker 3: In our second season, we met Suave's mentor and father
Speaker 3: figure in prison, a man in his nineties named Frank Ross.
Speaker 3: Frank was awaiting a decision that could grant him his
Speaker 3: release from prison, and today there was finally news.
Speaker 7: He has been turned for as we.
Speaker 3: Speak, Okay, I'm gonna I'm trying to find a flight
Speaker 3: tonight as soon as possible. How do you feel and emotional?
Speaker 8: I mean, here's that man been in prison.
Speaker 4: Yeah, after nearly fifty years behind bars, Frank Ross was free.
Speaker 4: There were no friends or family waiting outside the prison gates.
Speaker 4: Frank was transferred alone in a gourney.
Speaker 3: That's because Frank is being released under Pennsylvania's Compassionate Release Statute,
Speaker 3: also known as a medical transfer. That's a law that
Speaker 3: creates a pathway for seriously ill people in prison to
Speaker 3: be released to seek out better healthcare on the outside.
Speaker 3: Frank has been battling cancer for years. He is now terminal.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when the only big weight you felt
Speaker 3: on your back was that you couldn't do anything for him.
Speaker 4: That for years, Suave told me about the guilt and
Speaker 4: the regret that he felt at leaving Frank alone inside.
Speaker 4: After he was released from prison, Frank taught Suave how
Speaker 4: to read and write, he mentored, and he fathered him
Speaker 4: along with hundreds of other young men in prison in exchange.
Speaker 4: Suave always thought that he would help care for Frank
Speaker 4: in his final days when they were both in prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I can't believe it. Okay, well this took
Speaker 3: me totally my surprise, but I'm happy. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 4: Now Suave could repay the man who had given him
Speaker 4: so much, and Frank Ross would just maybe have an
Speaker 4: opportunity for a dignified death on the outside, maybe because
Speaker 4: nothing in the prison system is ever predictable or simple.
Speaker 4: From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria jo Josa
Speaker 4: Today Released to Die Part one. In this three episode
Speaker 4: mini series, we're going to follow the story of Frank Ross.
Speaker 4: He's a ninety three year old man sentenced to die
Speaker 4: in prison, and we're going to follow his journey to
Speaker 4: the outside through something known as compassionate release. Frank's case
Speaker 4: highlights one of the fastest growing trends in incarceration in
Speaker 4: the United States. It's something experts called the grain of
Speaker 4: American prisons. We will also take a deep dive into
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania's Compassionate Release program, how healthcare inside prisons is failing
Speaker 4: older people, and what it means to have a chance
Speaker 4: to die free. Between two thousand and one and twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: more than thirty thousand people aged fifty five or older
Speaker 4: died in prison. Experts say those numbers are on the rise.
Speaker 4: Never have there been so many older people behind bars,
Speaker 4: and the number is steadily rising. By twenty thirty, they
Speaker 4: will be one third of the prison population.
Speaker 3: The reason harsh sentencing practices that started in the seventies
Speaker 3: and peaked through the eighties and nineties to today. Data
Speaker 3: shows that this led to more people than ever serving
Speaker 3: long sentences, including life without parole. And you've probably heard
Speaker 3: the term mandatory minimums.
Speaker 4: Coupled with three strike laws and other tough on crime
Speaker 4: policies that meant more people going to prison and for
Speaker 4: longer periods of time. Prison populations exploded, loaded with vast
Speaker 4: racial discrepancies and sentencing, and with so many life sentences
Speaker 4: or decades long sentences. It was only a matter of
Speaker 4: time until those people became older and sicker, with prisons
Speaker 4: unable to meet their healthcare needs.
Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why almost every state and
Speaker 3: the federal prison system have some kind of compassionate release policy.
Speaker 3: It's a way to grant early release from prison to
Speaker 3: sick or elderly incarcerated individuals who have no other real
Speaker 3: avenue within the court system. In Pennsylvania prisons were Frank Ross's,
Speaker 3: an incarcerated person may petition the court for a temporary
Speaker 3: transfer to either a hospital, a long term facility, or hospice.
Speaker 3: In order to be considered someone like Frank must meet
Speaker 3: seven different parameters. Most importantly, they must be seriously ill
Speaker 3: and expected to have less than a year to live,
Speaker 3: and be able to prove that their healthcare needs are
Speaker 3: better met on the outside. If they were to be
Speaker 3: cured of their terminal illness on the outside, they could
Speaker 3: be returned to prison.
Speaker 4: Compassionate release is for people who know that they're going
Speaker 4: to die. The question is will they get to die
Speaker 4: on the outside, And that is all Frank Ross hopes for.
Speaker 4: Were that's going to pick up the story from here.
Speaker 3: The day of Frank's release, Suave rushes to the healthcare
Speaker 3: facility for seniors where he's been transferred. Frank is already there,
Speaker 3: in a shared room, separated by a flimsy curtain surrounded
Speaker 3: by bare white walls. He texts me to FaceTime him. Yes, Hi, okay, Hi,
Speaker 3: mister Ross. Congratulations.
Speaker 6: You don't have to do that, just talk to the phone.
Speaker 3: The first time he held a cell phone. Yeah, oh wow, woa.
Speaker 3: Technology has really changed. Frank tries to put the video
Speaker 3: call on his ear. He's never held a cell phone.
Speaker 3: He was convicted in nineteen eighty and was always kind
Speaker 3: of an old school guy in prison. He never even
Speaker 3: got a tablet. Hi, mister Ross, how are you? Congratulations?
Speaker 4: No good picture that I mean better?
Speaker 1: Don't tell really.
Speaker 6: With it.
Speaker 3: On his first day out of prison, Frank seems primarily
Speaker 3: occupied with swab his weight. I mean, he calls Swave
Speaker 3: his son. After all, he looks good, right, How do
Speaker 3: you feel.
Speaker 6: Well? Right now?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Frank is hard to understand. He's ninety three, he's lost
Speaker 3: his teeth, and he doesn't have dentures. Besides the ravages
Speaker 3: of cancer, he's also struggling with cognitive decline due to
Speaker 3: the mania. Over the last few years in prison, he
Speaker 3: was mostly bedridden, sometimes in a wheelchair, and fully dependent
Speaker 3: on other incarcerated men to care for him. I'm very
Speaker 3: happy because of your news.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm getting on a plane tonight so I can
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow morning. Before we hang up the phone,
Speaker 3: Frank lays down his chief interest in letting us in
Speaker 3: to make this series. He's hoping it will help him
Speaker 3: bring some attention to his writing.
Speaker 9: Get him an agent, because he's trying to get some
Speaker 9: of his workout. You have your boxes and stuff, but
Speaker 9: you're yes, of course, we're going to try.
Speaker 7: To get to an agent.
Speaker 3: Frank hopes to get more of his writing published before
Speaker 3: he dies. The only item Frank insisted on bringing with
Speaker 3: him from his prison cell was a box filled with
Speaker 3: stories nearly five decades of writing. To understand who Frank
Speaker 3: is as a person, you have to understand that, above all,
Speaker 3: he is a writer, and writers dream of sharing their
Speaker 3: love affords. That's how Suave and Frank crossed paths three
Speaker 3: decades ago at a maximum security prison in Philadelphia. Suave
Speaker 3: was in his early twenties and Frank was in his
Speaker 3: late fifties. We actually told this story at length in
Speaker 3: an episode of Suave season two, but I'll give you
Speaker 3: a summary.
Speaker 7: Hey, Frank, what's going on, buddy.
Speaker 3: This is a phone call between Suave and Frank from
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, when Frank was still in prison.
Speaker 8: I'm over here, man, I'm away there telling my people
Speaker 8: how much you showed me when I was in prison?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: And what did you do?
Speaker 6: I learned how to do.
Speaker 7: How many screenplayers have you written?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: I got forty five? Now and I got.
Speaker 3: Forty five screenplays and ninety short stories. A portion of
Speaker 3: it was published. Frank was profiled in newspapers decades ago.
Speaker 3: Some of his books are still out there for purchase.
Speaker 3: And more than a writer, Frank was a teacher.
Speaker 7: There was hundreds, if not thousands of people in the
Speaker 7: DC that he showed how to read and write, and I.
Speaker 4: Was one of them.
Speaker 3: Frank was an old head, an old timer, and someone
Speaker 3: who commanded respect. Saba says. Frank didn't really get involved
Speaker 3: in prison politics. He never got in trouble, and he
Speaker 3: minded his own business. When he took a liking to someone, though,
Speaker 3: he approached them with a curious proposition.
Speaker 7: He was one of the dudes that he had enough
Speaker 7: heart to step to me. I guess he's like, hey,
Speaker 7: young boy, let me talk to you. And I used
Speaker 7: to tell him, look, man, what can you get for me?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: I got some pen and paper for you.
Speaker 3: That's how he and Swave became close. Swavee was illiterate,
Speaker 3: but over time and under a teacher like Frank, Swave
Speaker 3: learned how to read and write. Frank then encouraged him
Speaker 3: to pursue an education, and Suave eventually graduated with a
Speaker 3: bachelor's within prison walls. Frank did the same for countless others.
Speaker 3: Over time, Swavi learned that Frank had made a promise
Speaker 3: to try and atone for his mistakes and to help others.
Speaker 3: Here's another old phone call with Frank when he was
Speaker 3: in prison.
Speaker 6: I've been almost.
Speaker 3: In his late forties. Frank was convicted of killing a man.
Speaker 3: Until then, he had never been in trouble. He was
Speaker 3: a war veteran. He had a business, a wife and kids.
Speaker 7: I used to call him the late criminal family man,
Speaker 7: ron kids. First time arrested in his life.
Speaker 3: Frank doesn't claim to be innocent. He accepted his life
Speaker 3: sentence and in prison put the old version of himself away.
Speaker 3: He refused visits, he asked his family to move on,
Speaker 3: and spent nearly his entire time in prison completely alone,
Speaker 3: except for the young man that he took under his wing.
Speaker 3: Now years later, as I prepare to go meet him
Speaker 3: in person for the first time, I think about a
Speaker 3: conversation I had with Frank over the phone as he
Speaker 3: waited for his compassionate release application to be reviewed.
Speaker 6: In my comment, but I didn't say I've learned to
Speaker 6: like to come home. I don't think you ever do
Speaker 6: if you check your right life. But I asked, I
Speaker 6: can happen no more.
Speaker 3: Frank said he would never earn the right to come home.
Speaker 3: He took someone's life. All he was asking for was mercy.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we learn more about what it
Speaker 4: means to receive compassionate release, and we hear about Frank's
Speaker 4: challenges of trying to start over even though he's terminally ill.
Speaker 10: Stay with us was yeah, he was killing that cat.
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Speaker 4: Hey, we're back. Before the break, we learned about Frank
Speaker 4: Ross's life, how he ended up in prison, and the
Speaker 4: challenges of his release under Pennsylvania's Compassionate Release law. Senior
Speaker 4: producer Julia Ta Martinelli is going to continue the story
Speaker 4: from here.
Speaker 3: The day after Frank is released, I meet Suave outside
Speaker 3: Frank's store on the fourth floor of a senior living
Speaker 3: facility in Philly. We make our way into the room.
Speaker 3: Frank looks frail, much older than I'd imagined his were
Speaker 3: bring an unfastened hospital gown that's fallen down to his stomach.
Speaker 3: He's hooked to an oxygen tank and fast asleep. Swavey
Speaker 3: wakes him gently, holding out the balloons.
Speaker 6: I know it's not. I know it's not.
Speaker 8: The next week I have to take care of your pop,
Speaker 8: had to take.
Speaker 6: Care of you.
Speaker 3: Swavey lays out a pint of chocolate ice cream, a
Speaker 3: slice of chocolate cake, cookies, and other goodies.
Speaker 7: So what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna say, Havy herb day to you?
Speaker 5: Do you have herbday?
Speaker 6: Do you new?
Speaker 8: Happy Birthday, Dear Frank.
Speaker 12: Two Freedom, Happy birthday to.
Speaker 3: You, Happy birthday. Frank smiles through the celebration, but it
Speaker 3: soon becomes clear that he's not doing well. It's at
Speaker 3: that moment that I noticed how swollen and Frank's legs are.
Speaker 3: It looks really painful, and as the sheet slide, I
Speaker 3: see a palm sized ankle monitor snapped tightly around his ankle,
Speaker 3: a mandatory condition for his release, you know, in case
Speaker 3: he runs away. This man who can't walk on his
Speaker 3: own or get out of bed. It's not long before
Speaker 3: visitors start rolling in.
Speaker 11: Bross.
Speaker 3: Frank's face lights up, first his sister in law, and
Speaker 3: then his friend Mohammed. They spent decades together in prison.
Speaker 3: Mohammed is eighty four, out for a year now after
Speaker 3: securing his own release under commutation from the governor.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, hey man, it's my pleasure time.
Speaker 6: Hey you look good.
Speaker 1: Listen manabe call I said, I sat up here.
Speaker 4: I think you've kind of bath.
Speaker 13: People are able to see you today.
Speaker 3: He's right. Within a few minutes, Frank's bed is surrounded.
Speaker 3: I count four former lifers in the room, men who
Speaker 3: all were one sentence to life in prison and thought
Speaker 3: that they would grow old and die inside together here free,
Speaker 3: eating chocolate cake, sharing war stories, reminiscing silly things like
Speaker 3: who still owes who money for commissary ice cream?
Speaker 12: He always minded from the Iceland and mumble, I don't
Speaker 12: know what ice s creaming behind. I don't know how
Speaker 12: you feel about You're a friend when.
Speaker 6: On the line.
Speaker 3: At some point, Swaby walks off and stands by the door.
Speaker 3: I see him discreetly wipe his eyes with his sleeve.
Speaker 2: How do you feel at him, to see him smile
Speaker 2: and not and not have to worry about counttown. I
Speaker 2: just think that for us, this is what it is
Speaker 2: all about, changing policies and prinking people.
Speaker 3: Good to see you again, he might get out of
Speaker 3: the way. I step out of the room to get
Speaker 3: the family privacy as Frank meets nieces and nephews and
Speaker 3: other family for the first time.
Speaker 7: That's right, I.
Speaker 6: Heard so much about.
Speaker 3: On the way out, Swabe tells me that he feels overwhelmed.
Speaker 3: He says he's worried about how frail Frank looks.
Speaker 5: His compassionate relea stuff to me is bullshit, fully bullshit,
Speaker 5: because can't remember where he's at, sitting in the bed
Speaker 5: with an ankle minor of this bab you call that compassionate.
Speaker 8: First of all, I want to say I am extremely
Speaker 8: happy that somebody decided enough, it's enough, right, But now
Speaker 8: I'm also extremely mad that this man should have been
Speaker 8: released ten years ago when he first got cancered.
Speaker 3: The thing is, legally, Frank couldn't be considered for compassionate
Speaker 3: release any earlier, even though he's had a cancer diagnosis
Speaker 3: for years. Frank is representative of an issue that many
Speaker 3: others are also facing. There are currently more than ten
Speaker 3: thousand people that are considered senior citizens in Pennsylvania prisons today.
Speaker 3: While there aren't public numbers on how many of those
Speaker 3: are ill and have also submitted petitions for compassionate release,
Speaker 3: we do know that only fifty four people have been
Speaker 3: granted compassionate release over the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Advocates say the problem is in how the compassionate Release
Speaker 4: Statute is written. While it's meant to remedy the crisis
Speaker 4: of those ag behind bars, it falls short of actually
Speaker 4: being able to assist many people because of the built
Speaker 4: in requirement for their deaths to be imminent and in
Speaker 4: the midst of their illness. They also have to be
Speaker 4: able to find a lawyer to take on their case.
Speaker 4: The reality is that by the time someone like Frank
Speaker 4: reaches this age, their closest family members have often already
Speaker 4: died or those connections to the outside world have faded
Speaker 4: over the decades.
Speaker 3: Not to mention that if, like Frank, they're lucky enough
Speaker 3: to be granted release, they must remain under constant monitoring.
Speaker 3: That means wearing a heavy and sometimes painful GPS tracker
Speaker 3: on their body twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: And remember, they can't seek out healthcare to get better.
Speaker 4: If they were to be cured of their illness, they
Speaker 4: could be sent back to prison. So people like Swave,
Speaker 4: lawyers and activists in Pennsylvania have long asked, where's the
Speaker 4: compassion in that.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Hey, we're back. Where are we going?
Speaker 4: So we're in Philly now, I'm looking at I think
Speaker 4: thirtieth Street station. We're in a car on our way
Speaker 4: to Germantown, which is a little bit in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: A few weeks later, we're in Philly again, this time
Speaker 3: with Maria. She's known Suavet since ninety three, and while
Speaker 3: he was in prison, she often heard Suavet talk about
Speaker 3: Frank on the phone.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the team is reunited. Suave, will you tell
Speaker 4: me on our way to meet Frank Ross? It's I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm so overwhelmed because it's real life.
Speaker 3: Suave has been spending nearly all of his time outside
Speaker 3: of work with Frank.
Speaker 9: I just stay there all night, hang out because it's
Speaker 9: twenty four hours a day visits. So how am I
Speaker 9: just going at six o' five that night, leave at
Speaker 9: four in the morning, come back at eight and he
Speaker 9: probably wouldn't even know I'm gone because by the time
Speaker 9: he wake up, he see me.
Speaker 8: I always tell people what I'm doing for Frank Ross
Speaker 8: is what I couldn't do for my mother when she
Speaker 8: was on hot that bad, which is take care of her.
Speaker 3: Swaba's mother died before he was released from prison.
Speaker 8: I mean, I would want somebody to do that for
Speaker 8: me if I was in my dying bed. So this
Speaker 8: is what I should have been doing, you know. So
Speaker 8: I'm just doing it for Frank.
Speaker 3: When we arrive, Frank is wearing a sweater, sweatpants, and
Speaker 3: tennis shoes. He's seated up in his chair, hair combed,
Speaker 3: waiting for his visitors.
Speaker 11: How are you.
Speaker 3: To see you, mister n Look at you with your lunch.
Speaker 6: How you doing?
Speaker 3: You look good? I didn't even recognize you when you
Speaker 3: want in. Swaby walks over to Frank and hands him
Speaker 3: a folder. It's filled with hypewritten pages, short stories that
Speaker 3: Frank once mailed to suave It while he was in prison.
Speaker 4: We'll show you something.
Speaker 3: I got it, they talked quietly as they look through
Speaker 3: the pages.
Speaker 4: There these little secret communication thing going on.
Speaker 6: They just a lot.
Speaker 1: If you got anything, there.
Speaker 6: Was his stump.
Speaker 7: Frank had a picture.
Speaker 3: Following an afternoon eating Hogi's Frank's request, lasting and sharing stories.
Speaker 3: Frank turns to me, they're like old man, like old man.
Speaker 4: They'll tell you that I.
Speaker 13: Have and uh, what would you mention.
Speaker 11: This?
Speaker 3: He asked me again if he's already told me he
Speaker 3: has dementia.
Speaker 13: And that is whoo who excremated?
Speaker 3: Too bad. Frank says that dementia feels quote cuckoo crazy.
Speaker 3: He says he first realized he had it a few
Speaker 3: years ago when he had to be hospitalized and taken
Speaker 3: outside the prison.
Speaker 13: All kind of cuckoo stuffing bettering in your head.
Speaker 3: So what does the mencha feel like? All kinds of
Speaker 3: cuckoo stuff running in your head?
Speaker 13: What you think my mother she was hit in the
Speaker 13: house and she would dirty lad with maggot. He was
Speaker 13: about your complex kids back, he's a horrible.
Speaker 3: He describes a moment in the hospital where he was
Speaker 3: suddenly transported back to the house where he was born
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty three. His mother was there, but she
Speaker 3: was dirty and her hair was matted. She looked horrible,
Speaker 3: he says. He started crying, and.
Speaker 13: I remember when them prive I couldn't believe that my mother,
Speaker 13: And then back.
Speaker 3: To the Frank says, that's when he started asking questions
Speaker 3: and he realized that he was seeing and hearing things
Speaker 3: that weren't there, things that had already happened, or things
Speaker 3: that he simply imagined, but all of it felt so real.
Speaker 6: I was the only one knew I had. How did
Speaker 6: you didn't even know that?
Speaker 13: You talked to you about each other?
Speaker 6: They walk didn't come back.
Speaker 3: They got it now, He says. It was in that
Speaker 3: hospital that he realized that he was surrounded by other
Speaker 3: dementia patients. He would talk to them about something, and
Speaker 3: then they would forget and have the same conversation all
Speaker 3: over again. He realized then that he was the only
Speaker 3: one that knew he had it.
Speaker 13: I knew I had, but I didn't know how to
Speaker 13: control it.
Speaker 4: They control you.
Speaker 3: But he couldn't control it. It was terrifying.
Speaker 13: I don't know how whether you can tell you. I
Speaker 13: don't know why he can tell you.
Speaker 6: How to add I know.
Speaker 3: Suddenly Frank gets really agitated. He's mad at Suave for
Speaker 3: not telling us that he has dementia, just like the
Speaker 3: men he met in the hospital. Suddenly he forgot. Dementia
Speaker 3: is a progressive, irreversible syndrome. It leads to memory laws,
Speaker 3: cognitive decline, and reduce functional ability. The disease, coupled with
Speaker 3: his cancer, is starting to ravage his mind and body.
Speaker 3: I stopped recording on the way out. I can see
Speaker 3: the hurt in suavest and it's then that I realize
Speaker 3: how limited our time with Frank really is. Frank has
Speaker 3: made it clear to me over and over that he
Speaker 3: wants his story told, but I fear we're fighting against time,
Speaker 3: and soon Frank is going to have to take on
Speaker 3: another fight against the prison system, who will attempt to
Speaker 3: take him back. Over three episodes will explore Pennsylvania's compassionate
Speaker 3: release program as it stands. As we continue following Frank's
Speaker 3: life on the outside.
Speaker 6: He didn't recognize him.
Speaker 3: He didn't recognize ye at all.
Speaker 6: He's got to get the fuck out.
Speaker 8: I don't know who is you doing.
Speaker 3: IMPOSSI the private healthcare system within the state's prisons, which
Speaker 3: many incarcerated people say fails to provide adequate care. I
Speaker 3: half an hour, lady, he came back and he said, Ms.
Speaker 4: Scott' sorry to tell you you have breast cancer.
Speaker 3: Well here from people attempting to change these laws so
Speaker 3: that incarcerated men and women can be released to receive
Speaker 3: the necessary care that the law demands before it's too late,
Speaker 3: in the ways in which a system that he is
Speaker 3: too sick to remember still holds Frank's faith in his hands.
Speaker 9: He already put a petition to revoke his compassionate release,
Speaker 9: took to the courts, and now we've got to vote
Speaker 9: to court to.
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Speaker 4: It was mixed by Stephanie Lebau. Scoring and sound designed
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