1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Friday, the twenty ninth of September here 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: in London. This is the BlueBag Day b a q 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: AT podcast. I'm Caroline Hepkat. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Global stock markets 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: are on course for their worst month in a year 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: as bond yields hit decade highs. 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: US workers prepare for missed paychecks as a deal on 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: government funding remains elusive. 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: And we have exclusive reporting on how London's three decade 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: boom has pushed black residents out of the capital. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: Global stocks are on course for their worst month in 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: a year as markets adjust to central banks keeping interest 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: rates higher for longer. September is likely to be the 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: worst month of the year for the SMP five hundred, 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: while stocks in Asia and Europe also look set to 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: post their biggest quarterly decline of twenty twenty three. Aaron Gibbs, 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: President and Chief investment Officer at Gibbs Wealth Management, says 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: many investors are now looking elsewhere for more reliable returns. 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: Now, why would I take the risk of the stock 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: that's going up and down and all over the place 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: when I can get a guaranteed five percent in into 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: year bond, that safety risk off type of mentality. Investors 24 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: that for decades really just wanted to be one hundred 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: percent equities. They didn't even want to talk about your 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: bond allocation, not until well into retirement, are actually looking 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: as real value and real options. 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: Aaron Gabe says the equity risk premium now makes it 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: hard to justify investing in large portions of the global 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: stock market at the moments. 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: Well. The equity market route comes after last week's Federal 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Reserve meeting appeared to finally convince the markets that hire 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: bond deals are here to say stay and the Fed 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: chair Jeroam Powells, is that people need to appreciate what 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve. 36 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: One of our goals is to influence spending and investment 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: decisions today and in the months ahead. That will only 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: be the case if people understand generally what we're saying 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: and what it means for their own finances. 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Jerom Powell. He made the comments at a town hall 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: with teachers in Washington. The bond market does seem to 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: be hearing his lesson, as yields on global government debt 43 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: hit decade highs. 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: This week, the officers of the AI chip giant and 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: Video have reportedly been raided in France. According to the 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: country's competition authority, investigators raided the officers of a business 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: suspected of quote anti competitive practices and the graphics cards sector. 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: While the statement doesn't name the company in question, the 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal reports that it is in Vidia. The 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: move suggests that there is now an increased focus on 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: the chip maker's dominant AI role. Shares in and Vidia 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: have risen by close to two hundred percent this year. 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: US government funding cuts off at midnight tomorrow night due 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: to the standoff in Congress. Government employees deemed essential will 55 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: still be working, but they'll do so without pay. The 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: President blamed hardline Republicans for the looming crisis. 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: Extremists in Congress more determined to shut down the government, 58 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: to burn the place down and lest the people's business. 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Be done Bloomberg Economics. It says that a longer shutdown 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: might actually help Biden's electoral chances. According to pass polling models, 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: the shutdown won't affect the Federal Reserve, but some economic 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: data releases may be delayed. 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: HSBC's head of Public Affairs is stepping down after controversial 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: comments about the British government's handling of its relationship with Beijing. 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: A source tells Bloomberg that shared cowper Coles will leave 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: the Lander next month. In August to the former diplomat 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: apologized for calling the UK Week for allowing the US 68 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: to guide its business dealings with China. 69 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Germany's Chancellor Olaf Schultz says that a trade war with 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: China quote obviously will not happen. The leader of Europe's 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: biggest economy appear to dismiss the EU investigation into China's 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: electric vehicle subsidies. 73 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 5: We are not working protectionists. We want to sell to 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: save our costs in Europe, in North America, in Japan, 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: in China, in Africa, in South America, in all the places. 76 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: But this means that we are open to get the 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 5: cause of other countries also on the market of Germany. 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: Germany stands to be the EU country most affected in 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: the event of a tit for tat tariff dispute with China. 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: German automakers collectively sold four point six million cars in 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the Asian superpower last year. 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: Microsoft reportedly discussing selling bing to Apple three years ago. 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: The deal would have made the search engine the default 84 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: option on all of the iPhone maker's devices. The revelation 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: comes as the two firms find themselves embroiled in the 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: government's suit over Google's search dominance. Bloomberg's at Baxter has more. 87 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 6: Since Bing's launch in two thousand and nine as arrival 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 6: at Google, the property has never gained much traction, accounting 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 6: for less than ten percent of searches well now. Bloomberg 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 6: sources say about twenty twenty, early talks occurred between Apple 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 6: and Bing, but Microsoft got into the deal to be 92 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 6: Apples go to search Engine on its devices. So as 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 6: the Google trial goes on, the Justice Department is using 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 6: this as an example of how Google unfairly dominates the 95 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 6: searche market. If that partnership is broken down by legal action, 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 6: who knows what might happen. 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: Now those are our top stories. Look, I think it's 98 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: worth lingering on the fact that it's caught to end 99 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: today and that we've seen just an amazing turnaround. Septembers 100 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: often are a very difficult time for markets, a moment 101 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: of realization, but it seems like a really big one 102 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: with fed rates hitting it a twenty two year high. 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: The ten interest rates rises that we've seen from the 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: ECB does actually seem that bon markets have now sort 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: of woken up to that new reality we've been talking 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: about on Bloomberg, Crazio and elsewhere for a long time, 107 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, the message from policymakers about higher for longer. 108 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: That does seem to be syncing in. So Stock's having 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: really quite a difficult time. Well, they're actually, yeah. 110 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: It's certainly been a month of reckoning for those mind mats. 111 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: Why you've been thinking about the markets, Caroline, I've been 112 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: thinking about fashion, have you? And look, so I have 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: to admit I didn't realize that Jans Nhuang from Nvidia 114 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: always wears his black leather jacket, and this has become 115 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: extremely apparent in during his visit to India because despite 116 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: the fact that it's been very hot while he's been 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: on this tour of various locations in the country, he's 118 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: kept the leather jacket on a lot of people's Well, 119 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: a musal amusement doesn't really the question, but certainly it's 120 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: been noted he has managed to continuing wearing what must 121 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: have been extremely uncomfortable. 122 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: Well, but I think that and this is why it 123 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: has captured people's imagination. I think because it has become 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I think it is getting to be close to as 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: iconic as the kind of black turtle neck, you know, 126 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg's T shirts. It said, it does look like 127 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: he's wanting to project at least an image of you know, 128 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: tech tyg Koon. He seems it's also not the same 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: leather jacket. It is a different leather jacket every. 130 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: Time opening the wardrobe to like twenty of the same thing. 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: He has a black T shirt and black chasers as well. No, 132 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: it does definitely seem that he wants to channel something. 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's been lots of articles about it written 134 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: about you know, it's a little bit like the the 135 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Anna Wintle Bob. You know, it's a very stark image 136 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: and in a kind of image driven world. Actually, there 137 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: are some advantages to a CEO having speaking the language 138 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: of fashion, which we sometimes discuss. It's a uniform. It's 139 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: quite powerful. It also says something, doesn't it. Maybe it 140 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: hints to Hollywood the open road speed. 141 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: Creativity Jacket's pretty pretty iconic, I think, And I think 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: the idea that you know someone who if you don't 143 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: have to be a sort of fashion I can't be 144 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: wearing as the tech tech CEOs can can make the 145 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: fashion statements there as well. 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, anyway, nice piece on the terminal all about 147 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: well CEOs and yeah and. 148 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: What they wear. Yes, let's go back to say for 149 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: territory on the markets now, Global stocks, of course for 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: their worst month since last September. Central bank decisions around 151 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: the world consolidating the view that rates will stay higher 152 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: for longer. Bond markets, meanwhile, look like they're having their 153 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: worst months in February, Treasury yields hovering close to sixteen 154 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: year highs Our market supporter Valerie Title is with us 155 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: in studio for more on this. How should we be 156 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: thinking about what we've seen on the markets in September? 157 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: Is it the moment that all of a sudden everyone 158 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: woke up and said, oh, now I get it higher 159 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: for longer. 160 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 7: Look, Stephen, you can put it that way, but they're 161 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 7: really The funny thing is here, and this is what 162 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 7: worries markets so much, is there really wasn't a catalyst 163 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 7: for this massive treasury sell off that we've seen, and 164 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 7: it has been massive. We've seen a fifty basis point 165 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 7: rise in the ten year yield and in the thirty 166 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 7: year yield, which normally never happens at this point of 167 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 7: the cycle or ever, that we see this kind of 168 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 7: steepening move in the treasury curve. That's what is really 169 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 7: worrying markets. A lot of chat out there. That's due 170 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 7: to the fact that the US economy is still strong. 171 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 7: The US government is still spending a lot of money, 172 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 7: meaning they'll be issuing a lot of treasury so supply 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 7: and demand does play into this, as well as the 174 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 7: fact that the US economy, i mean globally is still 175 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 7: the standout as to how well it is holding up 176 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 7: to all these right rises from the Federal Reserve. 177 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's still say that German, Japanese yeads are 178 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: following the same path. Is the economic data fitting into 179 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: all of this? 180 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 7: The funny thing is, Caroline, is that we have had 181 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 7: some economic data, but none of it has really been 182 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 7: a surprise over this last month. Right, This move in 183 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 7: treasuries has not been spurred by a big upside surprise 184 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 7: in GDP. That's not what's really spurred it, and I 185 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 7: think that is again what the worrying thing is here, 186 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 7: what is driving this treasury move Because it is not 187 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 7: only having an issue on US assets, with the US 188 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 7: stocks having the worst month since September, but then globally 189 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 7: we're seeing jgbs attempt the Bank of Japan to buy 190 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 7: more to defend their yield curve control. We're seeing what 191 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 7: happened in the UK yesterday. UK yields spiked twenty basis 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 7: points yesterday on no new news just because of this 193 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 7: jitters around this treasury move, and German yields as well 194 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 7: climbed fifteen basis points inter day session yesterday on little news. 195 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 7: Just this jitters around why are these treasury yields moving higher? 196 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 7: And what is going to stop them? They're continuing this 197 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 7: morning their truck higher. 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, this latest step from the Bank of Japan were 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: worth noting because it's only happened in the past few hours. 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: What more can you tell us about what the Bank 201 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: of Japan has been doing. 202 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 7: So they the last time they intervened, the tenure yield, 203 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 7: which is which is where their intervention is focused on, 204 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 7: the ten yere yield was around sixty five basis points. 205 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 7: They came in and intervened when the tenure yield hit 206 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 7: seventy seven basis points. But it wasn't a big market 207 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 7: move overnight. We thought before that maybe their trigger for 208 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 7: intervention was a five basis point rise intraday that didn't 209 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 7: necessarily happen today. But perhaps they're just seeing what happening 210 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 7: in the treasury market and really want to cap the 211 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 7: rise of these Japan yields because yesterday, you know, ten 212 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 7: year yields broke through seventy five basis points for the 213 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 7: first time over a decade, we hit a new high, 214 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 7: and twenty year bond yields yesterday, and overnight tonight we 215 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 7: hit a new high in thirty year bonds. So perhaps 216 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 7: that pressure from the treasury market just tempting the Bank 217 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 7: of Japan to intervene in the market toe to keep 218 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 7: yields anchored. 219 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Okay, follow thank you so much for being with us 220 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: taking us through the market stories this morning. Our market's 221 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: reporter value Titele, I want to take. 222 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: You back to the UK for the next story. For 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: the first time and at least thirty years, less than 224 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: half of England's black residents live in London, as the 225 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: city's affordability at crisis when it comes to housing has 226 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: hit at the crisis levels. Let's speak to our quality 227 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: reporter Olivier conteo Hulu for more on this story, Olivia, 228 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: good morning to you. Where are some of the places 229 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: the black population is growing outside of London. 230 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 8: So it varies. Sometimes it's places where it's cheaper, such 231 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 8: as cities in the north like Manchester, and then sometimes 232 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 8: it's places around London. So we found areas like thorough 233 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 8: and Dartford and towns like Milton Keynes where there's all 234 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 8: kind of an okay commute to London. Those are all 235 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 8: areas where we found that the proportion of black people 236 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 8: are growing. 237 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: What's happening to black communities inside London some of the 238 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: reasons for all of these changes. 239 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 8: So it depends a bit if you're looking at central 240 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 8: London or outer London. When it comes to the Core 241 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 8: and when you look at some of the kind of 242 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 8: historically black neighborhoods like Brixton and Peckham, what we're finding 243 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 8: is that the share of black people has been going 244 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 8: down overall, because basically the overall number has been growing 245 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 8: more slowly than the overall number, if that makes sense. 246 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 8: But then on the outskirts, basically it's quite a straightforward 247 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 8: story where in at least kind of three outer London boroughs, 248 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 8: the number has grown quite sharply. 249 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at the figures that you have in this story, 250 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: and it's a great read on Bloomberg dot Carmen on 251 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: the terminal as well. I mean Black Londoners that decline 252 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: nineteen percentage points in twenty years, they're fairly stark figures. 253 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a relatively kind of consistent decrease over time, 254 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 8: but it is quite striking that, Yes, for the first time, 255 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 8: more than half of people live outside of London when 256 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 8: I think for years, not just the conception but the perception, 257 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 8: but it has been true that kind of the majority 258 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 8: of black people did live in the capitol. So it's 259 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 8: kind of a shift in what it means to be 260 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 8: black and British. 261 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: What do the people that you spoke to say about 262 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: why they're moving and the places that they want to 263 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: go to. 264 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 8: Well, all of them talked about this English dream of 265 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 8: having a house in a quiet neighborhood with kind of 266 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 8: enough space that they could properly raise a family, and 267 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 8: then pretty much all of them said that none of that, 268 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 8: it would just be impossible to afford that where they 269 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 8: lived when they lived in central London and somewhere like Brixton, 270 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 8: which is kind of where we spoke to one family. 271 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 8: So yeah, it was very consistent where people said it 272 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 8: was just they couldn't afford the lifestyle that they would 273 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 8: want to give their family in the capital. 274 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: Did many of them see disadvantages to moving out of 275 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: London or what was the sort of balance of when 276 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: they were talked about the pluses and minuses of moving 277 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: out of a capital. 278 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 8: I think it does vary in how much choice they 279 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 8: had in the matter. So for some people they felt 280 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 8: that they just really had no choice in order to 281 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 8: make ends meet but to move outside of London, and 282 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 8: then there they really kind of felt it because you're 283 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 8: losing access to friends and family quite often in the 284 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 8: kind of a social community and having to start somewhere else. 285 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 8: But for other people that it was a plus in that, 286 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 8: like as I was saying, they could have had a 287 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 8: better stance of life than London itself was able to offer. 288 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 8: So when the Manchester in particular was kind of delight 289 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 8: to it the quality of life, but he was able 290 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 8: to afford in Manchester compared to London, So there was 291 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 8: a mix, I would say. 292 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean the impact also in the capital though is significant, 293 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, of not being able to keep black communities 294 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: within the city because of affordability and other reasons. That's 295 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: a big issue surely in you know, Britain, supposedly leveling 296 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: up a gender. 297 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, you would think, because part of London's appeal and 298 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 8: attraction just to outside is the fact that it's meant 299 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 8: to be this kind of cliche but a melting port, 300 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 8: a place where anyone can live and be, and that 301 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 8: is increasingly becoming not the case. And so yeah, so London, 302 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 8: so black people are crucial to the economy and lots 303 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 8: and lots and lots of different ways, like the proportion 304 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 8: of health workers and how it contribute to the community 305 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 8: in just like loads of different ways. And if that 306 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 8: proportion is shrinking, then it does rease the question of 307 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 8: how the city will look like and say ten years. 308 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: Olivia, it's a fascinating read how London last its place 309 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: at the heart of black break And you'll find it 310 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: on the Bloomberg website and on the terminal that's our 311 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: quality reporter, Olivia connote a whol it breaking. This is 312 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the stories making 313 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: news from London. 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