WEBVTT - The 2020 Corvette 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.600 Welcome to Car Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:09.080 How Stuff Works. Hell wan, Welcome to car Stuff. I'm 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.760 Scott Benjamin, I am Ben Bolan, and I am Kurt 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.560 garn Hey, that's that's all three of us. Yes, that's 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.000 everyone in the room. We've taken a roll call. Now, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.079 as long as everybody else is out there, we're good, right, Yeah, 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.760 And I don't know about you guys, but it feels 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.800 like we're on a pretty good mood. Today. We spent 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.640 u we spent a few minutes just shooting the breeze 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.000 about today's episode before we eventually said. I think Kurt 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.760 had to get us in line and say, hey, guys, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.960 maybe we should we should just record it and just 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:44.279 do this show. So this is I've got. I've got 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.640 an announcement before we get started. The short thing. Alright, alright, 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.280 I don't know how you guys are gonna take this, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.800 but I for years I have been driving one iteration 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.040 of a Monte Carlo or another, and all of all 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.880 of our long time listeners, you guys have been with 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.920 you guys have heard my trials and travails with that 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.360 with that car, and you know what it's like when 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.640 you own a car for a long time. You know, 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.040 it's idiosyncrasies. You get used to not having a car payment, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.920 which is beautiful. Uh, And eventually I had to give 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.119 up the ghost man. I still have my money, Carlo, 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:26.119 but I bought a new car. Yeah, yeah, it's it's 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:30.640 it's what do you get what? I got a seventeen 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.440 four to escape because I got a great deal on 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.480 the newest car I've ever driven, and I'm actually taking 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.800 possession of it, like all the deal stuff has done. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.080 I'm taking possession of it tomorrow as we're recording. Congratulations. Well, 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.440 let's let's hope man. It's I still have the money, Carlo, though, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.920 it's you know, I won't be able to sell it 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.920 for anything, honest, Yeah, I understand. Maybe your dad will 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.680 take it. He takes about he takes on projects like this, right, yeah, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.440 maybe maybe he will. Well, you know, I'm I'm just 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.040 a couple of quick questions if you don't mind, I 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.720 know we have to jump into just a couple al right, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.840 So how did you find it? Is it something you're 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.359 buying from a dealer, You buying it from a friend, 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.520 you buying it from you know, just Craig's list what 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.880 where has it come from? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm buying 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.840 it used with I found it with the help of 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:22.240 a third party, but the purchase itself is direct. And 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.560 so I've checked out the car and I'm literally tomorrow 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.919 all I'm doing is like taking possession of it. It's black, black, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.120 okay black on the outside, and it's you know, that's 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:39.280 another thing with the cars as a little worried game model, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.480 because the color is kind of the last thing I 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.680 care about when an engine that works that says this 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.480 has six d K on it. But I got a 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.680 good deal, uh, And I was just very happy that 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.919 I didn't get stuck with you know, like a corn 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.239 flower yellow or they have all these fancy car paint 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:01.200 names like you know, absent minded, vermilion and whatever. I 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.280 don't get it. But yeah, I just got just a 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.919 regular black Bard Escape because I gotta do some haul 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.000 and I got some road trips ahead of me, and 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.280 so I I, uh, I wanted to get, uh, just 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.560 a little beater pickup truck. But like we talked about before, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.359 we're talking about the Ranger, it's tough to get the 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.800 kind of pickup truck I would want, you know, no 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.119 disrespect to an F one fifty. But I don't need 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.720 something like that. I want to like a little manual 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:34.079 transmission to seater that parking lot, which is already difficult enough. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.960 And you know that's funny. I mean, I don't know 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.520 why I asked the color. I mean that that's the 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.440 last thing that you should be, you know, concerned with. Yes, yeah, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:42.960 probably just so I can prank you in the parking 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.600 lot if I see it out right. Well, this this 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.040 made me start thinking because I actually went through some 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.160 of the old research that we had done on the 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.720 ends and outs of buying a car, what you should 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.040 know and what you should avoid, what you should look for, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.840 et cetera. Confusing as hell. Yeah. Well, and a lot 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.160 of people here in the audience today have war stories. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.160 And one of the things that we had said in 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.040 the past that I think maybe some people weren't on 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.839 board with was that I like you, and I don't 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.479 know about you, Kurt. We'll see if you're on board 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.680 with this. I am very much against uh buying a 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.880 brand new car. Oh yeah, I just it's just not 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.719 for me. I know it's for some people, but it's 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.720 not for me. What about you, Kurt? I'm not completely 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.280 against it. All right, So you buy a new car 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.520 and it's gonna last you for maybe four or five years, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.240 I mean depending on how much you drive, but for 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.680 five years trouble free, maybe more. You can get two 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.800 hundred thousand miles on pretty much any car nowadays. I'm 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.880 not totally against it. So you see some security in it. Yeah, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.440 if you get used to making the car payment every month, 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.000 it's not too big. That's the one thing. That's the 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.680 one thing. Because I did get it, like through a 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.880 third party, so I do have a have a car. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.680 Note again, Yeah, it's sure, just it's tough to d stomach. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.279 But you know what, you've got, that reliability, you've got, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.279 you know, the the solid feel again of a car 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.320 underneath you. Because i know what it's like to go 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.880 from an older vehicle to a newer vehicle, and I'm 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.000 back to the position now, by the way, where mine 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.400 is feeling older. You know, it's a little more sloppy, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.280 it's not quite as tight as it was yet. It's 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.559 just it's tough to explain unless you're in the seat 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.880 experience in it. But a new car just has that 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.240 correct feeling, that right feeling to it and something new 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.800 to you. I mean going, You're going from what you're 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.240 two thousand four, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually two thousand, two 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.480 thousand six six. You're going from two thousand and six, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.440 almost almost ten years with feature many many less miles 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.000 on it. I'm sure it's probably it's probably just a 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.440 more solid feeling vehicle underneath you. It's gonna be nice. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.919 I'm excited about hearing about whatever you intend to do 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.000 with this. I mean, you know, honestly, guys, the fact 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.240 that it might start every time that I wanted to 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.760 start is flowing me away, you know. But I I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.520 bring this up. I bring this up. I know there's 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.320 a very long tangent, but it bring this up because 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.440 it had me thinking about new cars, and you know 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.560 how it is whenever you're going to buy an automobile. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.799 I can't speak for everyone, but for me, a good 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.279 seventy of my time overall is just window shopping through 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.440 one format or another. I know that, I would say 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:29.679 easily twent That is me taking deep dives into cars 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.240 that I will probably never buy, you know, like I 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.760 I one time saw a ninety three Rolls Royce that 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.640 had an ungodly number of miles and was just like 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.640 barely affordable, to the point where I thought maybe it 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.839 was an estate sale from like a criminal in the 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.359 Atlanta area or something, because I had it was not 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.760 a pretty vehicle. It had been road rough. But one 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.520 of the things that the three of us have been 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.960 talking about for a little while now off air in 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.000 different conversations is the idea of getting the classic car, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.920 you know what I mean. And that's why today's episode 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.800 is about the Chevy Corvettes. Oh yes, and that's the 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.800 car we've talked about a few times in the past. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.600 Of course I have to bring this up. And you 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.440 know what, I think, we've talked about corvettes many many times, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.400 So I'll just leave it at this. We would you 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:25.440 say we're veterans, I would says, oh, got okay, now 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.320 we are. We've talked about for sure in full episodes. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.400 I know we've talked about the Remember the old v 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.080 H one Corvette giveaway that they did. We had a 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.720 full episode on that because I remember someone discovered them 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.800 years later after an artist had owned them and left 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.720 them abandoned in a parking lot. You know, he had 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.560 painted some of them. It was really a mess. I think. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.880 I think there's some work underway to restore that full 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.760 collection now, by the way, But anyways, that was like 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.560 thirty six Corvettes that were given to one winner back 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.200 in If you have interest in that, you know, check 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.520 out the Car Stuff archives. The other one that we 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.480 that I know for sure we did about Corvette was 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.920 the switch over to to the C seven model, which 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.720 is the model I think it's model year we did, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.560 you know, just ahead of time and uh and that's 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.800 kind of something similar to what we're doing now, only 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.160 now we're gonna be talking about a completely different animal. Right. 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.760 This is something that people have been been talking about, really, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.320 I mean, if you want to really get down to 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:22.920 it here, I guess people have been talking about this 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.880 for fifty one years at that point, and finally, finally 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.440 people are getting, you know, the Corvette, and not everybody, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.680 but some people are getting the Corvette that they've been 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:36.680 asking for that entire time. Pretty exciting forward with the future, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.760 right the Corvette is already the motor trend car of 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.080 the year. It's we're not done with January and you 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.480 know what we are. I checked into this, We're about 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.120 this is just bad timing on our part. I suppose 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.520 but I mean, this happens right as as of the 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.640 recording of this episode, and I know this will change 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.440 by the time the episode airs, but it is in 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.240 the running. It's the top three for the North America 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.640 Car of the Year and as well, and Corvette has 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.240 one in the past. You know, there've been I think 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.120 at least two other years when Corvette is one. I 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.480 believe back in the year that we talked about, uh, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.400 that one did win the North America Car of the Year. Uh. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.120 So you know, it's not unheard of that this one 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:19.800 might be the car of the Year by the time 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.000 this episode airs. But Corvette is really something to behold. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.640 I mean, it's a it's a to me. I think 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.600 it's a beautiful car. I really like it. I mean, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.680 we can each talk about it, you know what we 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.800 think about it. I suppose if you think it it 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.760 hears or it it it holds two Corvettes, you know, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.400 lasting image. I guess the you know, the historic image 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.880 of the Corvettes and what we see as a Corvette. Um. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.439 I think a lot of people have felt that it 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.320 it so dramatically deviates from that that you know, it 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:47.959 doesn't hold true for the purest you know that the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.320 people want to see the long front end. Uh, you know, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.280 the real world drive of course, but you're you're kind 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:57.200 of slung way back in the in the chassis. Yeah, well, 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.480 you know what I mean. It's it's it's just a 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:04.240 different um, it's a different looking car all around. I mean, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.760 the silhouette is completely different than it was before. And 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:19.720 I don't think that's a bad thing. This new Corvette 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:24.079 kind of reminds me of the spirit behind the original 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.120 in the way that it wanted to be kind of 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.160 like this new thing, this innovative thing that other companies 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.000 looked at and said, whoa, we wanna we want to 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.760 make a car like that. This particular car may start 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.360 a trend with companies looking to make kind of a 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.280 low cost supercar, or at least a lot of a 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.560 lot of new people can get into. It's kind of 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.680 a neat concept. Low cost. He just said it. That's 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.280 one of the key points here that we want to 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.360 talk about today. And I don't know if we want 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.000 to jump in this right now or maybe we can wait. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.120 You tell me, we can do it later. But low 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:02.680 cost doesn't mean lacking in features and performants, design standards 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.720 and all that. I mean, it's a great looking car. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.199 And I would also say low cost is a comparative statement, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.160 you know what, I every time you new used whatever, right, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.400 I feel you have to uh categorize that even if 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.360 you're talking about buying a new pair of socks or something. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:25.160 I mean, so we're both notoriously cheap with stuff like that, right, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.400 that's right? So what about what about this? What if 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.560 we talk a little bit about the before we get 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.080 to the price, before you get two brass tacks. What 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.960 if we talk a little bit about just some of 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.600 the specs, a little bit about how this came out. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.880 Because one thing listeners need to know, uh, and people 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.160 who have already pre ordered to Corvette are very well 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.800 aware of this. Uh. Production on the vehicle actually got 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.640 pushed back to January, right even a little bit later. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.280 Maybe I got a little bit of insight info just 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.280 just garnered yesterday, and I can tell you about you 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.480 want to tell you about right now? You see, I 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.200 went I went online and I went to Corvette. I 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.200 got it gause a beat Chevy dot com or Corvette 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.480 dot com where but I ended up chatting with the 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.840 Corvettes person on the other end. You know, it says 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.200 you want to chat with GM about the new Corvette, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.320 and I said, why not, I've got some questions. I'll 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.240 just do this. So I go on there and I, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.559 you know, of course, I guess I had to pretend 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.920 that I'm really interested in buying one of these and 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.439 so that I could get, you know, some realistic answers, right, 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.760 And I just said, you know, I'm really interested in 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.200 the new Corvette, which I am. A lot of this 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.600 is not made up. I guess the fact that I was, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.600 you know, want to buy one. I do want to 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.200 buy one. I don't know if I will, um, but 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.840 but I pretended to be an interested party and I 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.800 talked to someone on the other end, or chatted with 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.240 someone named Carrie. Now who knows if Carrie is a 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.160 real person or not, but robots. But the answers were 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.800 very real, so I'll leave it with that, very human answers. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.160 But I said that I'm you know, interested in corvette 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.960 and the and the production schedule, you know, when they're 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.960 planned to begin in production. Because I've heard that the 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.240 same thing as you, that this strike had pushed production back. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.000 The strike, yeah, it was, it was like the longest 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.080 strike and what like fifty years or something like that. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.080 It was a long strike ended finally the end of 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.719 October of last year, and really it really bumped back 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.160 production on this brand new vehicle, which is something GM 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.599 didn't need at this time. Of course. In fact, you know, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.000 i'll tell you this right now. I found a number 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.560 about this strike. It said that, you know, due to 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.440 the extent of it, how long this thing lasted. GM 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.400 as a company lost two billion dollars in production during 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.160 that strike. And you might think, well, Okay, the workers 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.040 really showed them whose boss. You know, they got, They 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.920 got what everything they wanted. But it turns out they 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.880 didn't necessarily come out much better either. They got a 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.560 couple of benefits, I guess to this whole thing, you know, 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.440 they didn't exactly win. It wasn't a big win. They 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.320 also ended up losing a billion dollars in wages during 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.800 that time, so kind of a a lose lose for 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.920 both parties involved. But I think they were just happy 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:02.640 when it was over. Fortunate timetell So, so I asked, when, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.920 you know, when does this uh, when does this corvette 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.240 production schedule to begin? Because I thought it was January, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.960 but it looks like it's going to begin in February 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.120 or mid February, and I think they're started to begin 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.320 maybe early could also be pushed back to early second quarter, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.440 so it could go as late as that um And 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.520 they said that productions start up from that time all 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.480 the way until when you'll see the cars on dealer 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.840 lots is going to be approximately six to eight weeks, 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:28.680 but you know, of course that time can vary, and 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.960 they're gonna launch, I think with the coup and then 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.360 they're going to begin the convertible production just after that, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.000 so it's gonna be a little while before you see 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.000 them on dealer lots because I've been really anxious to 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.640 go and check one out on a dealer dealer property, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.240 just to go see one. I know that can be 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.840 a little awkward for some people to go into a 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.920 dealer and you know, you have to kind of play 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.840 the game and you know, act interested, or you know, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.360 they might know that you're just there to kind of 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.080 kick the tires, you know, but it's fun either way. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.120 I like doing that. And I did get another couple 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.000 of answers too. I was looking for specific information if 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.920 they were going to continue some of the trends of 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.880 pass some of the things that they had done at 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.120 the Bowling Green Assembly plant in Kentucky where they allow 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.280 you to come in and take a factory tour, watch 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.040 your car, your specific car being built and you know, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.800 final assembly and then you get to drive it away 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.240 that kind of thing, photo op all that, and they 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.960 said that that. Unfortunately, right now, and I think this 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.600 might be because of the strike, they are not going 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.320 to allow that at least for the foreseeable future. They 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.040 might change that in the near future, but as of 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.000 right now, no factory tour is no factory you know, 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.520 assembly experience. You know, you can't go help build the 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.080 engine or any of that stuff. You couldn't have passed 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.600 with some models. So I don't know, just just it's 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.640 it's kind of interesting to get to talk to the 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.400 Corvette concierge for a bit and uh and get the 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.120 straight scoop on things, and it's a it's a great 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.800 tool to use if you ever want to do something 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.360 like that for any vehicle. There's plenty of answers out 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.800 there for everyone. Now, did you go into any nuts 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.160 and bolts under the hood stuff? I did not, And 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.840 that's that's what I think you're probably gonna be able 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.000 to shine some light on here, because I don't have 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.880 a whole lot of facts and figures on this other 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.480 than just the standard quick stuff, you know, like the 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.760 stuff that everybody reads in the you know, the first 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.960 three or four bullet points of the story, right right, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.840 stuff like of course it's zero to sixty and two 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.880 point eight super fast. That's what I I think that's 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.480 one of the most important stats that people want to know. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.520 I feel like it is. That's it. That's so quick. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.440 I mean, that's this is a big car. It's it's 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.360 you know, long, low, and wide, the big vehicle two 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.320 point eight seconds. That's that's gonna feel awful fast, like 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.160 like rockets led fast, and a lot of the So 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.520 there are three there are three different iterations. You can 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:38.640 get different builds that they have listed. And one thing 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:44.040 that I thought was interesting was that the the initial build, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.760 the one LT or the you know, the lower end, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:52.640 the emphasis really from Chevy side is on how light 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.520 that that vehicle is. I like it. They know that 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.960 there is a huge demographic of people who Corvette fans, 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.800 who are probably probably even grew up around them and 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.520 then later bought their own. We're very excited about this, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.000 but they're excited for the old school kind of Corvette, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.679 which was relatively few frills and it was about being 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.600 able to drive like a bat out of heck. Since 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.560 we're a family show. What's interesting about the zero to 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.280 sixty number is that it's I mean, I don't think 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.280 it was the base model. It was maybe had like 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.359 sports package or something, but it's not like a z 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.680 R one or anything. It's a fairly entry level car. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.639 You can up this. Now we're gonna go through some 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.919 of the the upgrades and you know what you can 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.960 do in the pricing and all that in just a minute. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.680 But one step there's something called a Z fifty one package, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.680 and that is the performance package. It costs a lot more. Yeah, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.120 we will talk about what that gets you, I guess 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.760 in the end. But here's the other thing you said. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.040 There are three versions of this, right, So you get 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.040 to the top version, there's the one EL there one 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.560 LT right, Yeah, the two l T the sting gray trims. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.280 Sorry LT one and l T two. I'm mistakenly had 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.920 them transpose. But yeah, so there's trim options. But then 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.080 there's the LT three also, right, which gives you even 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.520 more of the same. Really, the engine stays the same, 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.000 The engine stays the same throughout, and they're uh, that 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:24.320 higher package, that higher trim package. It's more on oddly enough, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.399 of course has everything from the first two package builds. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.920 But then it it has this emphasis on making the 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:36.600 interior of the Corvette nicer. Which aren't the Corvettes traditionally 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.119 Aren't they known for not having the best interior? You're not, Well, yeah, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.960 I mean yes and no, And I think I've really 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.800 tried to improve that in the past, right, I mean, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.240 customers want it. It's like, do you feel like there's 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.640 a lot of older buyers of this vehicle because it's 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.359 gonna GE's getting out there in price, it's gonna be 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.640 a lot of people that are older. They're gonna want 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.760 a few more comforts, it's gonna be, you know something. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.000 But but at the same time they want that you know, 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.200 that killer perform it And and well I got kind 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.320 of animated over here when you started talking about this 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.919 is because you're talking about how it's lightweight and it's 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.359 sort of a no frills version. If you go with 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.880 the bass version that they are thrown out there for 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:19.159 what fifty nine, there's under sixty, right, get comparatively when 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.119 you're talking about a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollars, 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.720 very absolutely when you when you compare it against what 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.600 it what it can compete against. But when you go 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.320 from the the LT one to the l T three, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.760 this is what I found really remarkable. You're talking about 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.119 just a fraction of a second difference in zero to 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.240 sixty time. In fact, the performance package, when you start 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.480 adding the spoilers and some of the other accessories, it's 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.800 a tiny bit slower than the base version of the 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.720 same vehicle that you pay less four. But you get 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.639 all the you know, the appearance packages, and you know 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.439 all the the benefits of like cooling and breaking and 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.920 all the other stuff that we'll we'll talk about. But um, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:58.960 and if you go up to the LT three, I 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.440 think between LT one and LT three, um, you're talking 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.120 about just again like a tenth of a second from 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.359 zero to sixty faster for you know, the top version 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.760 versus the lowest version, which is not going to be 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.920 really felt a whole lot. I mean, we are talking 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.720 about two point seconds as quick, um, But they have 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.679 the exact same quarter mile speed, So it's not like 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.720 you're really gaining any top speed or anything like that. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.160 So if you're going to just just purely for speed 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.800 in this car and you don't really care about, uh, 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.520 you don't care about the handling characteristics of it, because 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.280 that's added in later with different you know, performance, well 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.560 we'll talk about them there. There's a really interesting chassis 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.000 work going on here too. But if you just want 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.439 a flat out fast car for the price that they're offering, 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.160 which not a lot of people are going to buy, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.720 you can still get that for that for that base price, 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.680 it can It's something that's definitely accessible, which I thought 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.240 was pretty exciting. You know, not very often that you 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.320 know the performances matched so closely between the low end 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.000 vehicle and the top end v That's a good point, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.280 you know, And I think it's it's also pretty well 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:05.879 thought out. The way that you can tell Chevy was 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:13.840 Chevy probably spent some intense research time figuring out which 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.199 customers would want what, because I think maybe I'm a 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.919 little more optimistic. I think there there's a ton of 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.640 people out there who will say a car like this 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.200 for sixty grand, you know what I mean? Uh, And 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.199 and true, maybe some of those people say, well, the 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.959 kids are finally away of college, right, and now I've 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.040 got a little more time and uh, a little more 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.400 capital will play around with, you know, so I can 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.760 see so many kitchen table conversations or some family it's like, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.480 all right, uh, the kids are gone, or maybe I 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.600 just retired and years ago you promised that I could 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.399 get whatever car I wanted after that, you know what 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.920 I mean, Like I could see that happening for sure. Yeah, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.119 and you know what, sixty thousand might be kind of 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.320 your upper limit to you might have you wanted a sedan, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.320 it was gonna be fifty five thousand anyway or fifty 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:09.960 and this is a bump up, sure, and it's a 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.159 sports car versus sedan, that kind of thing, you know. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.920 I mean, there's a lot of considerations to to make, 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.840 some concessions to make as well, you know, if you're 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.760 moving to a sports car from you know, a family vehicle. 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.840 But still, you're right, it could be a very exciting 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.080 move for somebody for a relatively low injury price that 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.280 gets you right in the in the performance bracket with 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.359 other supercars. As as Curse said earlier, you know, this 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.080 is something this is a remarkable vehicle. Really. I mean 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.000 when you when you really, if you go online, you 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.680 really look at what they've included in this package and 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.680 included in this deal, and the the redesign that's been done, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.880 because every single part of this car has been gone over. 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.920 It's all new. They've got some This is like it's 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.680 got to be a marketing thing. They say there's one 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.800 carryover part from the previous model, uh model Corvette. No 0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.920 one knows what the one part is, and I feel 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.720 it's just one of those things that you know, is 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.080 meant to garner attention. Yeah, so that's just something that 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.760 people love to say. And if to me, this is 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.320 an all new car really, and then that doesn't make 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.240 it a bad thing. I saw the same thing you're 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.760 talking about with the one component being carried over, but 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.639 I also wasn't able to nail down what it was exactly. No, 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.320 I don't think anyone ever will probably unless you know, 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.280 someone leaks at the top and maybe that'll be you 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.200 know later like oh, it's this emblem or whatever it is. 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.840 You know, this log nut, it's the carpet. The carpet 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.240 is the same. It's the carpet. It really, it really 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.320 does though it doesn't feel like there was some meeting 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.000 where there was a brilliant engineer describing this and they 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.760 said one that one throwaway line and then somebody in 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.160 their sales are marketing was like, I remember that one 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.400 sentence and someone said, oh, really, what specific component wasn' 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:48.960 and they're like that, I just remember that part of 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:54.040 the sentence. I can't tell you, but people love it. Yeah, 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.800 cut and pri but but yeah, so it's it is true, 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:02.480 And I think for that reason. You know, Motor Trend 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.800 does their research. I know that they're not perfect, but 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:09.200 I think that affordability to get into that supercar kind 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:13.119 of bracket, I think that is one of the primary 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.840 factors making this the Motor Trend car of the year. 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.720 They've had some weird choices in the past, and then 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.399 sometimes they've chosen things because of what they see as 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.880 the the future potential of it instead of what it's 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.680 actually done. So like the Tesla Model Esque, for instance, 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:35.240 was the car of the year, right, and Tesla again 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.680 has no shortage of criticism, right and honestly rightly so 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.240 in some degrees. But I see the logic of Motor 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.720 Trend going towards this, and honestly I spent some time 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:52.880 looking at one, and I thought, well, sixty grand, that's 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:55.439 that is a lot of money. It's a lot different 0:24:55.440 --> 0:25:02.600 than an escape though it is it is, but I mean, I, um, 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.840 you know, I I love road trips and I would 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.560 love to have a car that I could take out 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:10.080 on a track for it. Escape is not that, No, 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.240 not necessarily. It might require some modification. Yeah, we might 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.040 have to mode it a little, just a little, yeah, 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:17.040 I would say. So, you know, there's a there's just 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.399 a there's a ton of exciting things about this car. 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:21.320 I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go ahead and list 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.119 off a few more of these specs that I have, 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.359 and then we'll jump into a few other things that 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.199 I found interesting along the way, and maybe we can 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.440 kind of branch off from there if you want. Yeah. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.040 So another couple of things that people should know about 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.200 this vehicle if you don't already, is that, um, there 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.320 are twelve here we go with colors. Again, they're twelve 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:42.520 colors to choose from. However, you can pay for additional 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.880 four colors that are an up charge, so they kind 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:46.800 of make it a little specialty. But these are colors 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.760 probably that tested very high in their focus groups or whatever. 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.280 Those are going to be the ones that you pay 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.160 a premium for. But I think it's on the order 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:55.560 of something like, you know, five extra bucks or something 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.600 like that. And it's been the way that Corvette has 0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.640 done in the past. You know, they've been different colors 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.000 of it that are you know, sought after that they 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.439 then say this is our premium color and you have 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.360 to pay extra if you're gonna order a brand new vehicles. 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.479 So colors again probably, yeah, Like if you're gonna order 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.600 a new car, that's pretty important, I guess, right, yeah, yeah, sure, 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.840 why not? You have three seat options. They make a 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.119 big deal about the seats in this car, and the 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.960 seats do cost you know that you get different versions 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.359 in different packages that you order. Of course, if you 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.880 go online you can find all that. But people are 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.080 talking a lot about the seats in this vehicle, as 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:28.879 they always do. You like this, the stitching and the 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.800 comfort and just the appearance of them and everything, and 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.199 the color leather that you use, and you know, the 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.119 inserts and all that. I mean, it's it's always a 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:37.960 big deal when they talk about seats in a in 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.480 a sports car. They all look like fantastic choices to me, 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.920 even the base seat looks like it's an incredible seat. 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:49.040 I would love to get some seat time GM listening. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.320 But it would be a lot of fun to drive 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.760 one of these, even even with a base seat. I 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.320 can tell you that. But maybe maybe people's last, last 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.600 last option they choose. Maybe um, magnetic ride control. That's okay, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.840 that's one that we had talked about being in this 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.040 Z fifty one package. Now, the Z fifty one advantage 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:08.240 is really if you do want to go up to 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.119 that package, which does bump you up to the l 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:15.320 T two package as well, it's not the speed, um 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.439 you're again we talked about that, how it's you know, 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.880 really similar to the base model in speed as far 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.520 as you know zero sixty and in quarter mile speed. 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.240 What you are getting for the Z fifty one package, though, 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.200 is this magnetic ride control, and you're also getting upgraded 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.320 breaks and cooling. As I mentioned earlier. The Z fifty 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.080 one package, however, is a five thousand dollar upgrade, plus 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:38.959 you have to pay eighteen hundred and fifty dollars on 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.280 top of that five thousand dollar upgrade in order to 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.560 get the magnetic ride control. So if that makes sense. 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:45.879 You have to kind of bump up to the Z 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.560 fifty one package and then also opt to get the 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:53.160 magnetic ride control, so it becomes essentially a nearly seven 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.879 thousand dollar option if you look at it that way, 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:57.679 you know what I mean. I mean you have to 0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:58.960 have one on top of the other. You have to 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.360 kind of combine these numbers to get it, so kind 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.399 of an expensive upgrade. They have things like, you know, 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.360 as you would expect, you can get better speaker systems. 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.399 You can get a fourteen speaker sounds, and so I 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.159 don't know where you're gonna put fourteen speakers in that 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.480 in that cockpit anyway, but I think they get aggressively smaller. 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.879 I think so too. But they said that, you know, 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.200 most people are happy with ten will no kidding, They're 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.359 probably happy with ted I mean, and and likewise, you know, 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.800 there's probably a lot of people that will never turn 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.920 the radio on in that car. I mean, I would 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.560 think you're gonna have the windows down listening to the 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.720 engine the whole time. You know. That's it's probably the 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.560 way most people drive it all the time. And it 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.600 does have some kind of cool things too. It has 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.200 a big display you know, heads up I'm sorry they well, 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:38.800 they do have a heads up display, but then just 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.000 the driver information display, the one that's behind the steering wheel. Yeah, 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.360 the touch screens like behind and to the right. Well, yeah, 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:46.720 that's a different one. I'm talking about that. Well, they 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.360 have a big twelve inch display that has you know, 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.120 the tech and you know, the accelerometer displays and all that, 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.920 you know, some really fancy stuff behind there. And then 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.720 they do have the NAV system that you're talking about. Yeah, 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.880 the entertainment thing, right, So that's like a pretty big screen. 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.720 It's like an eight inch HD screen that is standard 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.000 in every vehicle, so you can even again, you can 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.160 get the base model and still get the standard HD 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.760 eight inch uh you know entertainment screen, which is exactly 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.680 the same one you're gonna get in the three LT version, 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.120 although it's going to have more features and options available 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.480 to you at that point. And one last thing that 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.720 I feel like, I'm I'm just listening off a bunch 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.560 of crap here now, but have you seen that that 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.040 array of buttons or that that lineup of buttons that's 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.560 on the side of the driver's driver's console. So you 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.280 get in and it's like everything is is angled towards 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.440 the driver, as is the kind of the trend recently 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.160 in the last chiefs maybe decade really to kind of 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.480 position everything so that's in control of the drivers, so 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.600 they feel like they've got access to everything to the 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.160 right and all the way down from the dash down 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.520 to practically where you fasten your seatbelt. That looks like 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.760 there's a lineup of looks like twenty buttons in a row, 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.560 but they're all in a single file row all the 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.040 way down. It looks a little difficult navigate it first 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.400 to manage, but it has just a cool appearance. I 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.320 like the way it looks. I think it's a good 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.480 use of space really, because they're gonna have that beam 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.840 there anyway. Talking about that single strip, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.320 that is interesting to me. It is I've just never 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.360 seen anything like that in another vehicle that you know 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.000 that it doesn't mirror exactly some of the other vehicles. 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.320 I've seen a lot of controls over there, but they're 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.880 always clustered together into clumps, you know, like this is 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.040 the the navigation, this is the window operation for you know, 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:28.880 all the windows in the car. Well, it's also the 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.280 minimized the distraction to right. Sure, yeah, exactly, But I 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.880 just wonder how hard it is to learn those positions. 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.000 It's almost like learning a keyboard, you know. Yeah, doesn't 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.920 seem like that. I mean maybe some of them are. 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.040 Most of them are meant to be you know, viewed 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.040 and then pushed instead of you know, trying to access 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.880 them at you know, at speed. I would hope, Well, 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:54.160 here's the here's the thing. Those buttons are all the 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:59.640 climate controls, right, so it's the fans, speed, airflow, to frosters, 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.560 stuff like that. And of course it's a little classy 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.800 now it's guys. So the passenger and the driver have 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:11.560 different temperature controls and then heated seats stuff like that. 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:17.760 So it maybe something people do at speed, but typically, 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:19.960 you know, if you're doing a de froster or something, 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.400 you put that on when you're starting your car. You know, 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.360 I don't see a lot of people hopefully there's no words. 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:27.720 I have to eat later. But I don't see a 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.920 lot of people, you know, doing and saying, you know what, 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:36.560 this seed is too cold? Hang on, let me look away. 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.280 I have to adjust my lumbar right now. My lumbar 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.280 is killing me. Yeah, maybe people say that. I don't know, 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.880 but um, but yeah, it is an interesting design and 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:50.400 it's not it's not something super familiar. There is while 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.720 while we're going along this side, there is one thing 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.880 I have to say, um, that you had pointed out 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.200 off air, Kurt, that is probably one of the greater 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:07.960 contra verses about that. It's automatic. Yeah, now, Kurt, that 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.560 particularly bothered you, but didn't really bother me. I just 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.600 thought it was interesting that they wouldn't have They wouldn't 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.240 include that option and a Corvette, at least at least 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.440 from the get go. I think eventually maybe now I 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.680 saw you stand up and kick your chair across the room, 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:32.200 gambling loss so scambly all right, I thought I thought 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.840 maybe it bothered you more than I guess it did. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.959 But but we had a little back and forth about that. 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.560 I just know that it it bothers a lot of 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.200 other people. I think that it makes the car a 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.960 lot more accessible in a way, along with the price 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.920 point and the automatic. I mean, I guess I guess 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.560 they could have. They say that it was a structural issue, 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.160 like that center posts there is essential to the rigidity 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.080 of the car, So if they cut a hole in it, 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.960 and also of the transmission. I mean the placement may 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.480 may cost some issues with that as well. Yeah, I guess, 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.920 you know, everything in the car, as we've heard with 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.360 the the other vehicle, kind of had to fight for 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.239 a place on the vehicle. You know that everything had 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.360 to be proven, everything had to be within weight, specks 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.400 be within you know, of course the design spec so 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.160 that they didn't have to change too much along the way. 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:21.920 But but you know they had automatic by the way, 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.400 that's a that's a pretty amazing piece of machinery there itself. 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.320 I mean they say that the shifts are made within 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.440 what is it like, one tenth of a second? One 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.719 tenth of a second, which is still uh as they 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.960 say ultra quick. It's ultra quick shifting. It's an eight 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.480 speed automatic transmission, and it's the same one that they 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.920 use in again all three models. Yeah, and you can 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.600 get the paddle shifter stuff as well. Yeah, so if 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.280 you want, you know, the supercar feel, I guess you 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.080 can shift with the battle shifters or just throwing and 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.360 drive and go. The Corvette did make an appearance at 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.240 Daytona in January seven. Do you guys see that it 0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:01.760 was just it's weird because it's it's also on the 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.040 track with Ferrari and Porsche. This is the roar before 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.680 and more or less. Think of it like if you're 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:11.640 not familiar with the Rice, think of it like a 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:17.120 dry runner, a rehearsal for the Daytona Endurance Races time. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.480 I didn't. I did not see that. Man, Things like this, it, 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.600 things like this are just passing me by. Ben. We're 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.640 gonna talk about this in a future episode. I know 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:28.520 we're gonna talk about you know, some motorsports events that 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:32.719 are just kind of missed. Yeah, Like there's so much 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.680 scattering of of I don't you don't even know where 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:35.960 to I don't know how to better put this than 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:37.920 you just don't know where to go sometimes to watch 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.400 it all, to take it all into to realize what's happening. 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.839 Unless that's something that's marked off in your calendar every year. Uh, 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.319 you know, there's a good chance that you know it's 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.440 January eight and you realize that happened on the seventh. 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.840 That's happens a lot nature of the game. But also, 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.560 you know a lot of the I think part of 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.880 that is because a lot of times if somebody really 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:58.600 loves a race or racing, they love a particular genre, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.759 are kind of racing. I mean they might say like, 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.840 uh so and so it is fine, but I'm a 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:08.920 NASCAR guy, you know, something like that. But I've been 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.800 keeping an eye on some of the Corvettes um news 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.960 the or some of the Corvette appearances would be a 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.160 better way to say it. One of the things that 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.759 I don't know whether we've emphasized this enough, Kurt, you 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.960 mentioned it a little bit. Remember this doesn't just enter 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.959 into the supercar category. It holds its own in there. 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:36.360 The the Ferrari, for instance, the Ferrari twelve super Fast 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.640 also hit sixty in two point eight seconds for several 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:45.800 hundred thousand more. Yeah, several We have to keep adding 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.480 that that, Yeah, this is a bargain. And so for 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.200 the past I don't know how many years, the Corvette 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.799 has been the best in this class. Yeah, I mean 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:57.440 the fastest. Yeah, there it is. It's comparable specifically to 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:03.280 the two seventy grand six to forty horse power Lamborghini Hurrican. Okay, 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.680 so this car, but this one is it's four horse power, right, 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.080 and and it's based, so we're talking based vehicles. Four 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:14.120 power seventy pound feet of torque. But if you do 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.080 go up to that Z fifty one package, here's again 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.080 you're not gaining a whole lot there. You're gaining mostly 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.400 in breaks and cooling and and the potential for the 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.919 magnetic ride if you if you opt for that, But 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.239 you're only gaining five horse power and five pound feet 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.719 of torque if you go up to the Z fifty one. 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.879 So it's not really a tremendous increase. And that's why 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:37.360 we see again just that very very slight difference in 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.120 overall speed top speed and zero sixties speed. So I 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.479 don't know, it's just it's an interesting way that they've 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.640 gone about this, isn't it. I Mean, you would think 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.160 that now. I wonder if we're gonna see soon, and 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.080 I would hope we would. We'll see like the you know, 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.080 the zero six package come out and uh or the 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.319 z R one package you know, which still top even 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.040 that and and just come out with some of these incredible, 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.840 crazy ultra performance versions. Of course, the price is going 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.000 to probably double, you know, if you if you do that, 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.320 but it's going to have you know, all the added 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.799 bells and whistles, and it's gonna look more like the 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.239 Batmobile than the one you know that's already out there, 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.680 if that's possible, and just be kind of a cooler 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.840 version of something that's already cool. That's what I think. Anyways, 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.279 I think we're gonna see it soon. I don't know 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.319 if they've even said it or not. I think it's 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.160 gonna happen. I mean there's gonna be of course, there's 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.120 there's coup and convertible versions of each one of these, 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.239 and and you know what, should we just like, let's 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:28.960 talk about pricing right now, just so that we can 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.720 get that out of the way. I think we've already 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.920 talked about the base. Of course, the one LT coupe, 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.759 which is gonna be if you want to get the 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.719 one LT convertible, Uh, that sends it up significantly. It's 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:43.440 a it's sixty seven, so it's just under sixty eight 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.920 thousand dollars and that does. However, I should say that 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:50.360 the convertible is a folding hardtop, which is that's pretty nice. Actually, 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.400 it's kind of cool to watch it. It It looks really cool, 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.080 it is, yeah, and it's just a it's a really 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.200 interesting thing. Yeah, I think you can operate that up 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:02.440 to which is again, that's that's right right there alone. 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.359 That's pretty interesting. Really. The bummer with the convertible is 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.040 that you can't see the engine through the rear window. Yes, 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.880 that's another point. I love being able to see the 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.719 engine through the Yeah, I like that too, or you 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.239 through the glass. It's not a rear window. Well, you're right. 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.120 With the you're right though. With the convertible, that panel 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.400 covers up that that entire area. You don't get to 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.840 see it. Yeah, since the roof slaying on top of 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.120 basically the engine, there's a lot of heat concerns and 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.600 sure things like that, so you don't get to see that. Okay, 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.200 well that's but it still does. Yeah, I guess so. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:38.040 I'm a man. We were getting another conversation, but just 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.120 not a convertible guy. I'm not much of a convertible guy. Yeah. 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.080 I like, well even more so on this one. Yeah, exactly. 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:48.080 You can already take the top off of the Yeah, 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:49.480 and you can still in the back. Right. It's a 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.839 hard time. It's like a um, I guess what they 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.680 call a targa top. Yeah, it's like a single panel 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.439 that you can put behind you. Open the glass again 0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.040 and you store it back there somewhere. It's just a 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.719 method of taking it off isn't as cool. You can't 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.960 do it at thirty miles. You could try, but I 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.920 don't think it would be a good idea. What you 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:11.800 could just kind of let it go, you know, also 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.279 where we are. You know, I love the idea of 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:19.280 driving one of those vehicles and hitting that drop top man. 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.080 That would be so cool. Converting a like twenty miles 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:27.600 an hour, But uh, to me, more moving parts equals 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.200 more opportunities to break. So for that reason, I'm not 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:36.359 the biggest convertible. Maybe I would convert to convertibles if 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.400 I owned one, and I would think this is the 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.960 best thing ever. God knows. I was blown away the 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.960 first time I got a sunroof in a car. I 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.600 was like, things are different, but there's a big hole 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.359 in the roof with with another seal to leak, right, 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.640 that's that's what happens often happens. Right. Convertible has six 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:58.200 motors to bring the roof back, six six. Those little 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.920 micro motors six broll probably more than that of those 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.960 little micro sensors that you know determine the buttons that 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.200 determine when to fire those motors, so even more parts 0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.239 to break. And you know, someday, Kurt, you and I 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.960 should talk about the Cadillac XLR and uh and it's 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.640 the convertible top on that one, the hard top and 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.560 uh oh, what a disaster. It's hard and not so 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.720 much a disaster, is just really really difficult for service, 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.560 really difficult. The uh. I think we're back at two LT, 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:31.240 which is the coup if you go to two two 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.239 l T convertible seventy So we're getting up into the 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.120 mid seventies already at this point. So if you get 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.080 a convertible kind of mid level, it's up to just 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.200 under seventy five thousand dollars already, the low end or 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.960 the brother the high end coupe, the three LT, you're 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.959 looking at a base price of seventy one, and again 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.759 the high end convertible around seventy eight thousand, four ninety five. 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:56.640 Now I believe you can even go up higher than 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.120 that if you want. I mean, there are other options 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.359 you can add on, of course, sure, mostly appearance, as 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.200 you have talked about before. Change the wheels, you can change, 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.239 you know, the sound system, you can change, the leather, 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.040 you can oper you know, the convenience and comfort package 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.080 that has you know, the heated steering wheel and all that, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.840 um but it but really that just comes down to 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.080 you know, your opinion, your taste esthetic. Well it is 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.600 yeah at that point, but some people, you know, they 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.400 really want all that stuff. They like it. If you're 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.279 gonna pay that much money for a car, might as 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.239 well be, you know, instead of just a sports car, 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.480 might as well be a luxury sports car, right, and 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.880 you can turn it from just a performance car into 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.960 a luxury performance car, or you can go the other 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:35.960 way with it. You start out with, you know, the 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.399 performance car and get upgrades that that are soon to come, 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.239 I would guess, either from the factory or you know, 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:44.640 right now, early early days, they are not going to 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.480 be the aftermarket pieces that everybody is you know, probably 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.120 dream enough right now, it doesn't happen that way. There's 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.400 a little bit of a leg until they figure everything out, 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.239 get to play with the parts a little bit, and 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.920 then there comes the aftermarket, and then they refine the 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.799 aftermarket and gets better and better, but it takes a while. 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.720 So so early on you're gonna be stuck with whatever 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.279 you buy. Not that you're stuck with it. But you're 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.719 gonna be um in the position where you just buy 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.400 that from Chevrolet and and that's what you've got unless 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.520 you mody yourself, which is another reason a lot of 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.520 people buy used cars. My friends. Yeah, that's true, but 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.480 I do want to say still to emphasize Chevy clearly 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:22.560 knows that people are buying this idea of a Corvette. Yes, 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:27.759 but they're buying the engine. The engine is really the 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.240 it's almost cliche to say at the heart of the sale. 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.040 Here at the heart of the drive. And I think 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.480 it's pretty telling that no matter which build you buy, 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.000 you get the same engine. As you said, Scott, that's 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.360 the only part that's non negotiable. Well, I you know 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.359 what I like to do, and I tried to do 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.360 this with this car, and I eventually I got to 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.360 the point where I kind of I wouldn't say I 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.759 lost interest, but I just got distracted with other things. 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:53.560 There were so many options that you could choose on 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:56.239 this vehicle. So as as Car and Driver put it 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.680 in one article that I read, it's it's uh kind 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.200 of the way that they would specttte they built one 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:03.880 on their own, and I wanted to see kind of 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.640 where my own version fell in there, and I never 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.279 got to the you know, the ultimate end of this 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.359 whole thing. But I was somewhere up near where they 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.800 got to, and they said, you know, it's fantastic value, 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:17.040 it's a great vehicle. But as they put it here 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.279 in this article, he said, let's be They said, let's 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.160 be real here. No one is buying the base price Corvette. 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.200 No one's going to buy that one. But I, like 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.640 you said, you're probably more optimistic though, right, Well, I 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:31.360 think people no rights. So there's some psychology here. I 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:35.280 think people will go into a dealership or go onto 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.000 the website to spec out builds and stuff with the 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.840 full and honest intention of only paying the base price, 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.960 plus you know, a tax tag and all that, all 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.879 that jazz. Will they get to the end of the 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.279 deal by and still have stuck to that price. I 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.359 don't know, man, I don't know. You know how it 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.080 is when the fever hits. Well, I'll tell you that 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.880 in this by the time you get to the end 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.600 of this article, the same one that you know, they 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.120 started out with the base price, and by the time 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.280 they got to the end, the price of their vehicles 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.400 seventy eight six seventy five, so just under eighty thou dollars. 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:13.440 Now that's upgrades. And I'll tell you just quickly. And 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.319 they got kind of a I think it's a white color. 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.000 It looks like maybe I think they call it like 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.880 Micah silver or something that's like a real light gray color. 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.000 Was that one of the four premium colors? No, no, 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.640 it's not one of the colors, just just one of 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.680 the colors. But they chose a pretty simple looking color, 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:29.520 and they decided they were going to go for performance 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:33.319 versus appearance in this whole thing. So there the idea 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.560 was just make it fast, make it cool, make you know, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.560 something we can live with. But you know, we're not 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:40.960 going over the top with you know, I don't I 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.400 don't need every heated option, you know, the steering wheel, 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.239 the you know, every every other thing. I don't know, 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.200 the vibrating pedals to your feet, are you know, relaxed 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:50.719 on the tree. No, I'm just kid. They don't have that. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.839 But but they did upgrade from the two LT the 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.319 three L T and that's of course an expensive option there. 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.680 I think it's like all in it's like seventy because 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.040 of other desirable convenience features. They had it in but 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:04.880 um so they went to the for the Z fifty 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:08.000 one packet Performance Package, which is five thousand dollars. They 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.960 added the suspension with magnetics selective ride control, which I 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.600 think a lot of people will Yeah, that's another one thousand, 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.480 eight hundred dollars. The g T two bucket seats, now 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.520 they did go up from the first so they did 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.239 change the seats. I think that was the recommendation of 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.040 someone who said, I have experienced in these seats and 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.560 you probably will want these if you're gonna take it 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.319 to the track, if you're gonna really want to be 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.840 held in place while you're you know, potentially racing this. 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.520 So they got the competition seats, competition sports seats. Yes, 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.960 that's right, g T two bucket seats. It's fourteen. It's 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:44.120 a fourteen up cell. So almost fifteen hundred dollars for 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:47.320 the better seats. Not like the car didn't come with seats, 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.879 they just got the seats. That's that's what I want 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.320 to check. So there are three different seats they can get. 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.759 The top one is the competition Sports seat, and the 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:00.560 main difference is that has more robust bowl stirs for 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.360 track driving. It sounds like they went up just to 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:07.719 the mid grade seat, which has the carbon fiber trim. 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.879 Oh come on, did they really? Okay, second, I gotta 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.279 more carefully read this article then, because I thought, I 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.200 really thought that they were just going simply for track performance, 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:17.400 because that would mean that they would go to the 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.840 g T three seats or the third level the competition 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:25.040 disease anyways, Okay, so it's an expensive upgrade. Anyway, they 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.040 went with the Oh, they did upgrade the wheels because 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.400 I think the wheels are a lot of people are 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.640 complaining about the wheels in this car. I like them. 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.080 You know. One thing it's interesting is there's a package 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:38.160 you can get that includes summer only performance wheels. Oh yeah, okay, 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.040 a lot of sports cars do that. Or you can 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.399 do the three season tires as well. Yeah. So it's 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.160 it's a tire package essentially the rubber that you buy 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:47.799 on the wheels. And if you do that, you got 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.960 to be pretty confident if you're going for just the 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:53.200 summer wheels, right, I mean, just the dry weather summer 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.640 wheels or summer tired. They keeps saying wheels, but summer tires. Yeah, 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.560 so you've got to be pretty confident I think that 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.719 you're not going to be driving this in any inclement weather. 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.799 You're not going to be driving it in I mean 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.880 any snow at all. Of course, I mean most people 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.239 can you know, determine if that's true or not. I'm 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.640 pretty sure most people know when it's snowing. But but still, 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.960 I mean, even so, the three season tires don't really 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:17.120 cover that either, So I don't know, this is all. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.680 That's all gets very tricky. But the wheel upgrade, you know, 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.560 the actual metal part the wheel upgrade. They went with 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.080 the five tried and spoke wheels, which look really cool. 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:29.480 They really are cool. That's an that's an additional dollars. 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.160 So that's not necessarily the cost of the wheels. It's 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.439 just the upgrade cost of the wheels. Okay they did okay, 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.840 you know here it is. Here's against right here, ceramic matrix, 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.080 gray metallic paint. Zero dollars. That was a free one. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.800 That's that's one that you know, it's just an option. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.040 The yeah, not bad, that's that's that's the right price. 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.480 Oh and you know what you can also just see, 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.839 you know, in the seats, you can also offer something 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.160 they call the the adrenaline red seating surfaces and inserts 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.239 which you can have into whatever seats you get. And 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.360 that's also zero dollars, so another another name, not bad upgrade, 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.120 I guess if you want to spend no money on 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.359 something like that, not bad I mean, and to offer 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.000 something like that, I know it's cosmetic, but it does 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:11.759 look pretty cool in this vehicle when you look at it, 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:13.319 because you can do a three sixty view of this 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:14.840 car and to see that, you know, the red seats 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.200 behind the glass, it looks pretty nice. I agree. But again, 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.279 but you know, just these simple things that we talked 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.680 about here. You know, the UH, I guess the biggest 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:24.279 one is of course going up to the Z fifty 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.200 one Performance package, and then the UH the selective ride control, 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:30.319 the magnetic ride control, those are the big ones. But 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.640 but getting up to about eighty dollars isn't quite as 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.319 hard as everybody thinks. And this again was one where 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.520 they were holding back on some of the options. They 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.160 didn't go for everything. And as I went through, you know, 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.759 this build process, where you know, I wanted to like 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.520 kind of see what mine would cost, kind of like 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.640 they did. The price did start to rapidly climb at 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.480 some point and I realized, oh man, yeah, I've got 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.200 to back this down again. Maybe I don't need, you know, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.040 the the caliper's painted red, you know, or maybe I 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.480 don't need because that's like, you know, another five dollars, 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.440 and you think, like, well, just paint on top of 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.640 the calipers, calipers that were already there. It's not like 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.840 they're better, they're just read and it's five dollars. Do 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:10.000 I really need that? Probably not? But but when you 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:23.279 look at the photo, like, yeah, I need that. You 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.839 can design the most beautiful looking car, but I mean 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.200 they also have like, you know, stripe packages that have 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.800 you know, fender fender stripes and you know stripes to 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.279 go over the full car, and they all look, you know, 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.040 someone look really good. Together the packages and the combinations 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:37.440 you can do and you can play around with that. 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.959 It's very tempting to do stuff like that. But then again, 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.399 every time you click that button, it's another five dollars 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.600 or a thousand dollars. Also, I want to point out, hey, uh, 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.439 we're talking about the C eight. You guys anticipate a 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:53.719 price drop in the C seven's only well it's not 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.840 as the dealer lot. No, I don't use market for 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.600 the seven. I mean, hey, hey why not? Kind of 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.040 why not? There might be one that's been hanging out 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:03.360 there for a couple of years or something, you know, 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.520 a color you know, combination that someone doesn't want or something, 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.840 and you might be able to luck into a pretty 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:13.160 good deal, you ever know, how Okay to your point, unrelated, 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.920 well semi related, Uh, this is something I was running into. 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.160 I thought, how good does a deal have to be 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.920 on any car for you to agree to? You know, 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.399 like you're buying a used car. The mileage checks out, 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.960 the systems check out, and the price is actually great, 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:36.480 but one thing the car is just some terrible color 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.960 or design, you know what I mean. Let's say for 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.839 some reason, you wandered into this deal where you got 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:50.640 like a twenty fifteen kick ass sports car. But part 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.759 of the reason the price was so great is that 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:56.880 it had you know, this huge airbrushed bright green Mickey 0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:01.279 Mouse on it or something like. Yeah, I get you. 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.000 Would it be something where you would buy it if 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.200 you were saving so much money that you could afford 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.480 to get a new paint job on it. I think 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.359 absolutely myself. But but it would have to be done 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.760 because I've bought you know, I've bought so many cars 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.200 where I think, I'm gonna buy this version of this, 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.719 but I you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make this 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:22.600 my own. I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy the wheels I want. 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:24.520 I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna, i'm gonna do the 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.759 engine upgrades that I want. You know, I'm gonna, I'm 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.960 gonna do this to this vehicle. And then everything else 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:31.680 gets in the way, and you know, some of that 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.200 stuff doesn't happen, maybe all of that stuff doesn't happen 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.680 along the way, or something else happens that, you know, 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.560 prevents me from doing that, and then I never quite 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.719 get the vehicle that I really wanted to have. And 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.520 I think a lot of people fall into that trap, 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:45.440 is that you know, I'm gonna buy this car. You're 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.320 sure I'll buy that one. And it's purple, but you know, 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:50.279 I'm gonna make it, and maybe you love purple. I 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.280 don't know, but but I want to make it, you know, red, 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.080 and you know, no big deal. You take it to 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:57.440 the paint shop and you have a painted It might 0:51:57.480 --> 0:51:59.600 cost you a couple of thousand obviously got a really 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:02.560 nice at jop on that vehicle, and you fully intend 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.040 to do that the day you pick it up, but 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.880 you just never get around to it, and it happens, 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.960 it does happen, or someone or someone dnse the car 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:11.399 in the parking lot and then you have to get 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.200 the dent fixed before you can get the paint done, 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:15.640 and it just kind of it's snowballs like that, Yeah, 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.200 and there's trouble. So yeah, it have to be a 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.640 pretty darn good deal. Especially and I think about the 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.880 shows where we talked about in the past, where you know, 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.480 car sales and how strange that whole world is and 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:32.000 that you know, you can sometimes sometimes in these off 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.400 the beaten path dealer lots, find a brand new vehicle 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:39.200 that is several model years old that's just been that's 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:40.719 just been sitting there. You might be able to in 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:42.880 You might be able to go back and pick up 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.160 model that's been hanging out in the back of the 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.520 parking lot for a while and it's in rough shape. 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.400 You know, people are just trying to get rid of 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.120 it because they've been losing money on it. Yeah, and 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.120 they to be honest that they've probably forgotten about it. 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.040 But if you find it, you know, maybe that's the 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.200 deal that you go for because it has zero miles, 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.600 but you know that also comes with some inherent problems. 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.960 There's there's there's a lot to weigh into consideration here. 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.320 You know, Man, I'm sorry I just went off on 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.279 that time. It was all right, But I want to 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.200 say this because I know people are gonna say, well, 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.400 why aren't you talking about the most important part of 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:21.759 this car, the most important update to this vehicle, really, 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.040 and that's the mid engine. This is partly by design 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.400 that we've done this, but partly because I think this 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:28.840 could be another full topic for us. I think it 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:30.719 has been in the past. We've already discussed it, but 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.560 now that we've got some new vehicles out there that 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.760 are employing this, I'd love to do another mid engine 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:40.000 episode completely just about that. Let's do it because the 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:45.480 technological innovations, just the engineering breakthroughs that have happened with 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:50.560 mid engines have have change the landscape such that I 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:54.360 think it's worthy of an update. I absolutely agree, And 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.440 there's just can I just mention a couple of things 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:59.120 about the mid engine configuration while we're talking about it? 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.799 I mean it's a core it's uh, you know, groundbreaking 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:03.319 for the Corvette to do it. I mean they had 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:06.480 hinted at doing this back in nineteen sixty nine, I 0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.840 think is the first time we really saw them testing 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.239 a version of this, you know, um early early days. 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.200 We're talking you know, photos with Bill Mitchell and and 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.839 Doune Tough behind the wheel and you know the transversal 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.560 amounted V eight just cool old photos with you know, 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.240 body work on it or anything, but really really interesting photos. 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:26.320 So I started digging into the different layouts of vehicles 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.680 and I came across something that I thought, and again 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:31.880 understanding that we're going to talk about the mid engine 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:33.960 layout later in a full show, but I wanted to 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.759 share this with you, Ben, especially since we're talking about 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.319 your my Carla today. Did you know that your car, 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.400 your Chevy Monte Carlo, the first generation, which is the 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:45.800 one that's front, well, I guess you know seven, But 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:50.800 the first generation of that vehicle was a considered a front, 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.440 mid engine, rear wheel drive vehicle. And this is a 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:55.239 category of cars that I don't know why, but I 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:58.600 just I have neglected to really think about those vehicles 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.400 as mid engine up until this point, and all it 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.080 has to do with with is that the engine is 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:06.480 of course placed in front of the front I'm sorry, 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:10.000 behind the front end in front of the drivers still, 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.960 so these are really easy to spot. And I again 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.359 I'm kind of baffle as to why I haven't really 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.120 thought a whole lot about this, in fact, because when 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:21.960 we talk about mid engine, we typically think behind. Yeah, 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:24.480 we that's what we typically think of mid engine. But 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:26.720 mid engine can also be in the front of the vehicle, 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:28.640 in front of the driver. But these are the cars 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.080 that have kind of that long elongated front end at 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.600 that long nose. So you're seeing that in cars like 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:36.200 you know, the old Opal GT, or you're seeing it 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.359 in new cars like the Keyest Stinger. You can see 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:40.040 that on the road. Of course, Dodge Viper is a 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.440 good one. Corvette, you know, the previous, not every version, 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:47.279 but see two through C seven. I think corvettes are 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.840 front mid engine vehicles technically, if you want to go 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.200 that with that route. But um, that's again this like 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.640 textbook definition of what it is. You still call it 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.080 a front engine vehicle, but it's placement behind the axle 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.880 makes it a front mid engine vehicle. And you know, 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:04.720 the S two thousand's another one. There's the excess the 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:07.320 Lexus l f A. If you just look for vehicles 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.360 on the road that have that stretched out front end, 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:12.040 you know where the driver, passenger, and even sometimes a 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.240 rear seat are set way to the back of the vehicle. 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.120 You know, you can you can see how the long 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.680 and low that front end is. Those are the vehicles 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:22.200 that have that front mid engine design. And again, it's 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.240 just a kind of a category that I don't really 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:26.680 think a whole lot about. It's one of those things 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:29.359 you can't unsee pretty often because you can tell by 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:32.680 the shape of the vehicle. And some Corvette enthusiasts have 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:37.800 reacted adversely to the mid engine of the They've said, 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:41.120 you know, I like the C five through seven way better. 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.640 Uh You've seen you can see some reviews where people 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:49.520 say that as a stubby nose and that it's the 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:53.279 opposite of the long nose with the shorter back deck 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:56.400 kind of sports cars or that Corvette had for you know, 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.839 the past six decades. Well, you know, I I just 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.600 I love the look and the style of this new vehicle. 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:05.920 I can't wait to get to a dealership and sit 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:07.600 in one you know, and just kind of kind of 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:10.960 go over one closely, real closely and check out everything 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.279 about it. You know, I just kind of marvel over 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:14.759 what they've done with it, because you know, they're gonna 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.160 have a great example. I'm sure in a lot of showrooms, 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:19.240 you know, just even if it's that one car that 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.120 they've got on the you know, the main floor there 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.960 to draw people in, they're gonna have one. Everybody's gonna 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.400 order at least one to get people excited about it. So, 0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.440 you know, even if you're in a small town somewhere, 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:30.040 you can I'm sure you can find a Chevy dealer 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.560 in nearby that's gonna have one. They're available to do 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:34.720 something like what I'm gonna do, and it's going, uh, 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:36.720 you know, leave a few nose prints on the glass. 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:38.760 You know what a lot of people are doing now 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.040 and have been for a while. It's an industry that 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.520 I personally don't know a ton about. There are a 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.200 lot of people who are buying exotic cars or high 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:53.680 performance vehicles entirely to rent them out. And you can 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.320 actually make money doing this in you know, in a 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.880 in a city with a dense enough population like Atlanta. 0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:03.440 I sense a new show coming on you. Yeah, well 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.680 it's at least a pitch. So what are you guys? 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.800 So well, they do it through um, they do it 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:12.480 through different I think there's a like a third party 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:17.200 service where you can say, Okay, I want to performance car, 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:21.320 high end luxury vehicle of some sort. And I only 0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:23.480 learned that people were doing this because I talked to 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.600 a guy who really really did My god, he did 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:29.120 it that, that crazy son of a gun. He put 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.480 down his order for one of those cyber trucks, one 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:36.280 of the Testlas cyber trucks. Yeah, that's the face I'm ade, dude, 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:39.200 are you serious? Which one are you going to get? 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:42.240 You know, when we talked about it, and then part 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.560 way through he corrected, he said, oh, you know, I'm 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.680 not gonna it's not my daily driver. No, No, I'm 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.200 gonna put it up on this thing, and I'm gonna 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.440 get the camping package and then people are going to 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:56.400 pay to rent it to go camping. And I thought, well, 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.120 that's a what a cool idea. That's a lot of 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:02.120 confidence is And man, can you imagine what your insurance, 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:04.320 you know, premiums are gonna be for something like that 0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:06.880 or like offering a service like this. Yeah, I don't know. 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:11.400 You know, people do it with boats a lot. Yes, 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.120 you could. You could own a fleet of boats or 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:17.960 supercars or just one. Yeah, And and it's an interesting idea. 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:21.120 I mean, it's definitely a way to support your growing 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:25.200 corvette habit. You know, I feel like, um, you know, 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.800 we're nearing the end here. There's there's just there's a 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:29.720 lot to talk about with this new Corvette. A lot 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:33.320 of it is just really kind of gut feeling stuff, opinions, 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:35.560 and you know, because right now we haven't really got 0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.760 any kind of concrete vehicle to look at or get 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:40.600 hands on with right now. We're not one of those 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.160 uh automotive magazines that you know, they hand the keys 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.120 over to and allow them to drive around for a week. 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:47.080 That would be great if they did, wouldn't it. But 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.240 but we're not those guys yet. So we've only been 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:54.920 doing this like eleven years, right another another eleven, fifteen 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.600 more years, whatever, and maybe we'll be those guys. One 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.600 one thing though, I do have to add u the 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:05.040 rumors about a possible hybrid plug in or electric model 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:09.640 continue to this day, and people are getting a little 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:17.000 little antsy about it on January eighth, so literally yesterday 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.480 as we record this, there was a little bit of 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:23.600 excitement because a stingray was spied testing with a cable 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.120 hanging out in the hood. So people freaked out and 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:30.760 they thought they're secretly testing the electric one, but uh, 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.720 Chevy reached back out and said it was a very 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:39.280 early test mule for the and that the orange cable 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:43.240 they saw sticking on the front hood was actually a 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:47.520 way to ease access to the twelve volt battery. Okay, 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:51.240 so it's like, yeah, it's not super we're not super 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.480 advanced and being top secret about it, this is how 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:56.920 we jumped the car as an extension cable from home 1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:00.720 depot right exactly. Know. I was to guess, okay, this 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.440 is Detroit, right, that likely that we're seeing this this 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:05.800 car and driving around because that's where they test all 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:07.360 these things and they get to see all this stuff 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:09.920 right early, way but way earlier than us. But it's 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.600 probably camouflaged. And I was thinking, all right, that's somebody 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:14.840 who just got in and accidentally shut you know, their 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.720 their phone charge record in the door or something, and 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:19.800 everybody's like, oh, that's the electric version, but that with 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:21.680 an orange chord stick out of the hood. That would 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.600 be something that would draw attention. I would guess interesting though. 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:26.080 I wonder, you know'd be kind of funny if it 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:28.800 was like, well, man, this Detroit in January. That's that 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.320 that's a block heater. He's on the big diesel and 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.680 it's like like they can't park it inside at GM right. Yeah, yeah, 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:38.200 they're just straight out of garage space. Yeah, they don't 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:40.920 have any space at all. So yeah, I think the 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:44.320 reason these rumors are gaining so much power and so 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:47.800 many peoples have their eyes on it is because after 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:53.480 the car was debuted back in July. Uh, someone on 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:57.400 the Corvette team said, hey, we might electric, we might 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:02.040 try to electrify, to have some sort of electrification of 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:05.880 this vehicle at some point. But that's all they said. 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:09.439 And that's right where I would have slapped them, knock 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:12.360 it off, get out of this room. No, I wouldn't 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:15.680 have done that. But but oh man, this is a 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.480 different episode. Yeah, yeah, it really is. I just feel 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:23.439 like I just feel like the power is not there yet. Well, 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:27.160 look at the La Ferrari. That's everybody points to those cars. 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:30.080 Wasn't there a McLaren. There's McLaren m one or something 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.880 those have it that that's true. But just I'm just 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:39.040 saying for that price point, electrified a car and keep 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:42.560 you that performance would mandate a higher pro But I 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:45.480 can't help It's just it's just like the um instinctual 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:48.000 response to me to to like kind of screw my 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:49.760 face up and go, oh no, what are they doing? 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.520 Because I had the same thought when they talk about, um, 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:56.320 you know, electrifying the Mustang or you know, any other 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:59.520 performance car that that I've known from the past that 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.440 you know, like, what are they what are they gonna do? 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:06.240 Because every time I'll put it real simply, just anything 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:10.000 with batteries in it has always let me down every time. 1:03:10.240 --> 1:03:12.520 And I don't anticipate this to be any different with 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:16.800 with cars, right, every everything has let me down. I 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:24.080 mean your phone, radio controlled toyss, early electric cars, remote controls, 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.400 and your you know, for your television. You're right, the 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.640 battery in this stupid laptop and I'm looking at right 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:32.160 now has let me down. Well we're recording as a 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.960 matter of fact, but every time anything relies on battery power, 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.680 it has always let me down through my whole life. 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:40.840 And I feel like maybe that's something that you know. 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:45.280 I I there's just something that that prevents me from 1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:49.800 fully trusting that as you know, viable technology. I know 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:54.240 that there's a lot of you know, research and of 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:58.640 course billions of dollars spent to prove me otherwise. You 1:03:58.640 --> 1:04:02.320 know that that it's it's working. But um, I just 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:04.520 get that that gut reaction and to say that you're 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:09.720 going to create a hybrid electric um corvette, I don't know. 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:12.240 I just having a hard time with that. I'll ease 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:15.520 into it maybe, yeah, I'll have to. I mean again, 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:17.400 this is another full show. We can talk about you know, 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.280 performance and hybrid hybrid electrics if you want to, we can. 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:24.720 But for sure we're gonna have another show about mid 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:27.800 engine design cars because, as you said, Ben, we do 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:29.360 need to do an update on it. There's a lot 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:32.560 more out there available now. We had not that we 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:34.760 had a limited supply to talk about before, but now 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:38.680 they're even more that we can discuss with that you 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:42.920 heard it here first. GM, if you do decide to 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:48.479 lend some corvettes to Scott myself, make sure you don't 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:51.720 give Scott an electric one, because it doesn't sound like 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:54.760 he's gonna have it. Uh. I don't want to sound 1:04:54.800 --> 1:04:56.800 like I'm begging a bit, and I would love to 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:58.720 drive one of the Corvettes. I've been I've been on 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:02.240 this campaign. I've I've I've this is the honest truth. 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:05.760 Since last summer, I've been asking my wife if I 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:08.440 can make a large, you know, a significant withdrawal from 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.560 our savings in order to buy one of these cars. 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:12.680 I would buy one of these cars brand new. This 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:18.120 is what I would. I am jack about this car. 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:21.080 I think this car is It's amazing. I really, I 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:25.000 really am excited about the format at the beginning. I 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:30.920 really am. I'm excited about Corvette and you know, maybe 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:33.400 that will fade a little bit here in the near future, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.240 but but man, I just it's such a cool vehicle. 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:38.920 It really is. Also, even though I know it's not 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:43.960 the same thing, think about how much the price on 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:47.200 a on a C seven is going to drop. Oh yeah, 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:49.480 and I love those two you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:52.280 I think that's a fantastic design. And you know, okay, 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:55.439 we can't we keep adding more things, but I would. 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.160 I would kind of like to know this from from 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:00.320 you and from our listeners. Maybe this is the final question. 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:03.360 I don't know, but what's your gut feeling on this too? 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:05.360 Every time they release a new Corvette, I feel like 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:09.040 that it immediately dates the previous version of Corvette, you know, 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:11.080 like the when they released the C seven, the C 1:06:11.240 --> 1:06:14.480 slicks look pretty old to me, and and all the 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:16.120 way going all the way back, and there are other 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:18.320 models that you know, I don't know, they still look 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.760 like they're they're not great if something I would would 1:06:20.960 --> 1:06:23.120 still cherish where if I were to get one, of course, 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:25.640 but um, there's a few years in there that I 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:28.760 just don't really like personally. But what do you think 1:06:28.800 --> 1:06:30.880 about the C seven Corvette now that you've seen the 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:33.240 C eight? Like, would you go back and buy a 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.400 C seven knowing that you could get a C eight 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:38.200 with the you know, dramatically different appearance? And it does 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:41.760 look like it's the old Corvette now, right, even though 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:46.560 it's still a fantastic car. It looks beautiful in my opinion. Yeah, 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:48.200 I don't know. I just looking at it, I was 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:52.080 thinking how quickly does this date everything else before it? 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:54.160 And it wasn't around that long. C seven was around 1:06:54.160 --> 1:06:56.600 for a very short amount of time, just a few years. 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:58.600 I don't think I would feel it maybe dated, but 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:01.920 I don't think I would feel bad about it because 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:08.520 it's already. Um it's already such a great vehicle for 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:12.680 what what it does that. I don't you think it 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:14.840 holds up? I think it holds up. Yeah, I will 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.360 say that, I think it holds up. Now also consider that, 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:21.400 you know, if you take care of those cars in 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:25.280 a few years time, depending on how hard you ride them, uh, 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:29.200 you'll end up with legitimately a classic car. That's the 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:33.560 thing that kills me, you know, Like with last time 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.480 I mentioned the Monte Carlo and air for a while, man, 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:39.280 I was in those conversations with myself where I thought, 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:42.280 you know, I just gotta keep it running, keep it 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:47.040 going until until I can get so I can get 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:49.800 the old school license plate that means I don't have 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:52.840 to do emissions anymore. And I was like, then, I'm golden. 1:07:53.680 --> 1:07:57.000 It's still several years ago, still while away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:08:01.240 so I'm I'm I'm yeah, we can't get rid of 1:08:01.240 --> 1:08:03.080 a C seven just because the C eight is out. 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:05.240 But no, I wouldn't say you get rid of it. 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:06.520 I just mean when you see it on the road, now, 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:08.800 are you gonna think, well, that's the old Corvette. I'm 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:11.160 waiting to see the new one. I'm still so impressed though, 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:13.280 you know what to the C seven is still a 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:16.040 beautiful car to me. Yeah. Yeah, And I can't believe 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:18.120 you're gonna buy a C eight. Let's not spread a 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:21.599 rumor here, but I but I, oh, man, if I 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:24.080 if I just had that that extra cash laying around, 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:25.479 you know, if I, if I did, I think that 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:27.120 at this moment, that would be the one that I 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:30.919 would get. Should our pal and fearless leader Scott Benjamin 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:36.479 purchase a Corvette C eight. Let us know. You can 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.160 find us on Facebook, you can find us on Instagram, 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:42.519 you can find us on Twitter. 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