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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome in it to another Fox Sports Sunday, one

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Speaker 2: step closer to the kickoff of a glorious run in

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Speaker 2: the National Football League. Week zero in the books college football,

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Speaker 2: maybe you got screwed on some late play shenanigans, maybe

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Speaker 2: a kicker broke your heart. Maybe you had a game

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Speaker 2: that was suspended all together for weather. We had a

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Speaker 2: little bit of everything here in Week zero, and of

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Speaker 2: course we finished up our NFL preseason. All of that,

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Speaker 2: so much more. Maybe we'll hit the panic button for

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Speaker 2: some of your favorite baseball teams along the way, but

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Speaker 2: so much going on to the sporting universe. We're so

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Speaker 2: do here each and every week. We're excited to be

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Speaker 2: here with you on Fox Sports Radio. Joined this week

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Speaker 2: Jared Smith Do you hear him on Saturday as part

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Speaker 2: of the Countdown Crew. Dan byer Off in gallivanting back

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Speaker 2: in the Midwest. Find him at Dan Byron Fox. Find

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Speaker 2: Jared at Jared Smith Bets Analyst and prognosticator and our friend.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Jared? Welcome back?

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Speaker 1: Oh that was great, prognosticator. That might be the longest

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Speaker 1: nicest word anyone's ever used to describe me. Usually it's

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Speaker 1: much more angry, especially after yesterday had a rough day.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday bet in Week zero rough day. And also the

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Speaker 1: Browns did not do what they were supposed to do

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Speaker 1: against the Rams, who were playing basically the hot Dog

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Speaker 1: Guy and the bench mob in their preseason finale.

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Speaker 2: Well, the hot Dog Guy was still one step closer

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Speaker 2: to glory than I was. But all of that to say, Jared,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's start right there with Week zero. We'll

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Speaker 2: get We got plenty of time to talk about Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: the cult of personality, and how if your surname is Sanders,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have people standing up for you no matter

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Speaker 2: how dumb you are on a football field. And I'm

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Speaker 2: talking more about Shador's brother Shiloh and Shador in this case,

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Speaker 2: while he didn't get off the exercise bike for the

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Speaker 2: final drive, We'll get into all of the good, the bad,

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Speaker 2: the ugly out of that. But Week zero trying to

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Speaker 2: try to parse things out in a new world of

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Speaker 2: college football the last two years, I got to imagine

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Speaker 2: so much more information flow and a wait and see

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Speaker 2: approach unless there's some consistency at coordinator, head coach, and quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Mike, I think especially.

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Speaker 1: Let's just use the Kansas State Iowa State game for

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Speaker 1: a good example. Kansas State had a ton of missing pieces,

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Speaker 1: especially their offensive coordinator, and then you throw in a

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Speaker 1: bunch of offensive linemen and then, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: your best running back and one of your best overall players,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Edwards, gets hurt on I think it was the

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Speaker 1: first punt of the game or one of the first

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Speaker 1: punts of the game when he muffed the pot and

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Speaker 1: it got hit and then he was out for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the game. So I was on Kansas State

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Speaker 1: that didn't go well, and you look at just what

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Speaker 1: Iowa State was, and both teams brought back their quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: so you could at least assume that there was some continuity.

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Speaker 1: But Iowa State lost their two best receivers in the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. I mean, how often you see two receivers

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Speaker 1: the NFL drafts, So you just don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get. Now that being said, that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: you can't form an opinion and try to prognosticate, as

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Speaker 1: you so eloquently put at the top of the show there.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, college football, unlike

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Speaker 1: the NFL, in my opinion, much more weight.

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Speaker 3: And see, don't bet every.

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Speaker 1: Game in week zero in week one and just try

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Speaker 1: to figure out what these teams are. In the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I have a much better sense. I do have a

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Speaker 1: much better sense, And in fact, I bet the win totals.

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Speaker 1: I just posted it on my x account right before

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Speaker 1: the show. All thirty two teams now, not a significant amount,

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Speaker 1: very small amounts on some of them. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's much easier to formulate an opinion on NFL team

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Speaker 1: just because we have a lot more access and information.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, right, how much actually has

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Speaker 2: to be disclosed we'll forever kind of chuckle. Going back

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Speaker 2: injury report? Well, no it's not, hey for your competitor, No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: full on gambling disclosure all the way through, and at

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Speaker 2: least we're not insulting people's intelligence with that anymore, Jared.

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Speaker 2: But to that point, you still op, you skate and

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Speaker 2: week zero week one, if nothing else, it proves time

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Speaker 2: and again that even with a full off season to

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Speaker 2: go back and review the math, they're down distance, people

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Speaker 1: They always do. I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is so much easier at this state to

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Speaker 1: actually sit back and enjoy it. The college foot is

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Speaker 1: really it is really hard.

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Speaker 3: It is really.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there's so many more teams. Second of all,

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Speaker 1: they're kids. I mean that's the part that I struggle

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Speaker 1: your heads around what you were doing when you were eighteen, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: million dollar decisions. I couldn't even figure out, you know,

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Speaker 1: where I was getting dinner most nights when I was

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Speaker 1: and these kids are being asked to remember and play

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Speaker 3: Difficult sport to play, like football. I think it's the

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of information, especially for the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: it's a totally different element in college than the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just even look a much different level. But

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Speaker 2: my daughter going through recruiting for soccer and some of

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Speaker 2: has been very curious. Right, some of our teammates here

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Speaker 2: but also the recognition that that machine is much more

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Speaker 2: And if I'm a long tenured coach, I can understand why,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm done with this? Is there a

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Speaker 1: The coaching changes are also unique. I mean, you saw

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Speaker 1: saw a couple college coaches make the trip make the

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Speaker 1: where their offensive coordinator Kella Moore, you know, moved on

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Speaker 1: is they promoted from within with Kevin Patulo. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: replace him is a guy by the name of Scott Loffler.

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Speaker 1: Who's Scott Loffler the head coach, former head coach at

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Speaker 1: Bowling Green. I mean, how often do you see a

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Speaker 1: right Mike, And now you have this Sirianni mouthpiece in Patula,

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Speaker 2: Well we go back a couple of years ago, right,

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Speaker 2: you lose the coordinators and you have a choppy season

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Speaker 2: rally together and now you're defending champions but certainly trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out how to mesh when your coach is

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Speaker 2: like he's abrasive and he wears it on his sleeve.

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Speaker 2: Sirianni is one of those guys that we find absolutely

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Speaker 2: gonna give us something, right, some folks don't necessarily care

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Speaker 2: for the x's and o's and and everything that Mike

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Speaker 2: McDaniel gives you. But I hope that that guy is

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Speaker 2: to theorize about, as opposed to some of these coaches

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Speaker 2: nondescript go about their business. But in Philadelphia, yeah, trying

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Speaker 2: anything tangible out of any of these hard knocks or

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Speaker 2: whatever permutations you have of that Jared, this is where

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Speaker 2: you'd find in mind for gold of how you you know,

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Speaker 2: figure out the assuaging, the allaying of fears, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the massaging of egos to try to get yourself into

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Speaker 2: that proper midpoint, because let's face it, you know it's

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Speaker 2: it's a lot on Saquon Bark. I think Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: is one of those quarterbacks that it's going to take

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Speaker 2: us fifteen years to truly. I think give him his

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Speaker 2: flowers for what he's been for that squad, because even now,

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Speaker 2: I mean outside of fantasy rankings where he's deservedly in

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Speaker 2: Which I think makes it that much more fun. Right,

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Speaker 2: zero here, Jared, I mean we've been watching. Look, I'm

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Speaker 2: for what it is like. No, we've got eyes, we

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Speaker 2: can watch as it were. And someone's still gonna have

433
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Speaker 2: to try to explain to me how this is.

434
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Speaker 6: In his fall out of the shotgun on second down,

435
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 6: Sanders backpedaling, pressured again, spins away, now backpedaling. This looks

436
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 6: like Colorado Sanders sack back of the twenty three.

437
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 7: So he's not getting the open receivers and he's starting

438
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 7: to develop drift back into some of his bad habits,

439
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 7: drifting back. There you have two negative plays that lose.

440
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Speaker 7: I can't even how many yards was that one? Our

441
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 7: great statistician right there. Twenty two yard sack. You can't

442
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Speaker 7: take a twenty two yard sack in the National Football League.

443
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Speaker 2: There you go. You got the Browns radio network, I mean,

444
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: and that's Fox Sports Radio Alama Andrew Siciliano on the

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: league there as well. But one of those and you

446
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of people trying to stand for him

447
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: going look at the effort by the off offensive lineman.

448
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: I immediately joked that. I told the guys here, it's

449
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: like bron Breaker Roman Reigns, whatever, what's he going to do?

450
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: Shoulder tackle the guy? That offensive lineman could have been

451
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: called for eight holding penalties in that twenty two yards

452
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: trying to keep him from getting killed the left tackle

453
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: as he drifted back and back. And it's a different circumstance,

454
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Speaker 2: and it's the right of passage. Has been my line

455
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: for all quarterbacks who were mobility and out running would

456
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: be defensive and sack or whatever it is that you're

457
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: going to be able to do, set your feet and

458
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: wing the ball down the field. Well, that doesn't happen here.

459
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: But yet that was another play indicative of well, the

460
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: man does no wrong. It's clearly everybody else, including our

461
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 2: own Jeff Schwartz, having to go into the idea of

462
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: folks arguing that the offensive line is not trying for

463
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Speaker 2: Shador whereas they do for Dylan Gabriel. They're trying to

464
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Speaker 2: be professional football players. I don't know if people understand

465
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Speaker 2: that nobody ordered a code red on Shood or Sanders

466
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: here either player. You don't. And look, I I liked

467
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: what he had to say after the game, right he

468
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: didn't come back in for the two minute drill that

469
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Speaker 2: ended up going to Snoop Huntley in the other side

470
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: of that game, you know they're able to finish it

471
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: off against the Rams and all would have been nice

472
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Speaker 2: to see him out there. And you can get into

473
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Speaker 2: all your conspiracy theories of what why how Stefanski didn't

474
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Speaker 2: want to want to or decided not to play him there. Uh,

475
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: and that's that's for Stefanski to uh to grapple with

476
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Speaker 2: and listen to the local media there. But all of

477
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Speaker 2: that to say, you know, he came out said, look,

478
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make this team. Obviously I want to

479
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Speaker 2: be out there. I didn't know I wasn't, and then

480
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't. And that's it, right. The conspiracy I think

481
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: ends about there. You've seen a very uneven preseason. We're

482
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Speaker 2: not there in the meeting rooms, we're not there at

483
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Speaker 2: all the practices and and for all of the the

484
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: extra So in the end for Shador Sanders, I think

485
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: it becomes curious because we've had the quarterback carousel and

486
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: we'll get to Isaac Lohankron here in a minute. With

487
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of backup quarterbacks moving around, it's like, which

488
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: guy's the guy that gets sent to the Raiders, the

489
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: aforementioned Raiders. Is it Kenny Pickett or is it Shadar Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Before it's all said done.

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Speaker 1: I would well, first of all, there's two things there

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Speaker 1: with Shador. I remember during the season, during the regular season,

493
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Speaker 1: when the Raiders were in contention for the number one pick,

494
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Speaker 1: I remember doing a video doing a take about oh wow,

495
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Speaker 1: this is a good a good day for the Raid.

496
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Speaker 1: They had lost the game, or I think it was

497
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: maybe the Jaguars had won. I forget what happened, but

498
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Speaker 1: it was in the middle of the season and it was,

499
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Speaker 1: oh wow. If the season ended today, the Raiders would

500
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Speaker 1: have the number one pick. They're gonna take Shador, And

501
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Speaker 1: at that point we thought Shador was going to be

502
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Speaker 1: the number one quarterback coming out. He was projected to

503
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Speaker 1: be the number one pick in the odds market for

504
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Speaker 1: a long period of time until Cammore kind of came

505
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Speaker 1: on very late in the year. Actually, to be fair

506
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: to cam he was good all year, but the odds

507
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: market didn't reflect he was going to be the projected

508
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: number one pick until later in the season. And we

509
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: thought that Tom brady connection with Dion was very prevalent.

510
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: And make no mistake about it, Tom Brady is pulling

511
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: the strings here in Vegas. I mean he's more walking

512
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Speaker 1: around with the Raiders jacket.

513
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Speaker 3: He is very vocal.

514
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Is that actually Al Davis's leisure suit?

515
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Speaker 1: He might be, but he is very much involved and

516
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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if he continues to, you know,

517
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: have his hand in a lot of decisions. Now.

518
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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, but.

519
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: Just based off of what they've done, at least in

520
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: the personnel side, bringing in a very experienced head coach

521
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: and a very experienced offensive coordinator, I do think Tom

522
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Speaker 1: had his hands in both of those things. Shador getting

523
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Speaker 1: traded would not shock me. To your other point, the

524
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: takes on Shador comparing him to Tebow, seeing the you know,

525
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Speaker 1: the viral you know, I guess the just the anger

526
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Speaker 1: and the outrage of people actually thinking that the players

527
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: on the Browns are tanking in the preseason when they're

528
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: trying to fight for their jobs, just because they're sick

529
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: of hearing the Shadoor smoke. I think, and I've talked

530
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: to Jeff Another and rich Ornberger about these types of.

531
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: Things before, especially with Rich on the show.

532
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: These guys are fighting every play. They don't have time

533
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: to think. Man, if I don't do this right, maybe

534
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Chador gets a little bit undercut, and that's good for

535
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: me long term. Like they're just playing football. And you're right,

536
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on in the meeting room.

537
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: We don't know if there are are other things behind

538
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the scenes happening. But Schador's performance yesterday was one of

539
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: the worst performances in the history of the NFL preseason

540
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: focus grade was absolutely brutal.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the point I was making with that

542
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: was the you know, you had the preseason game one

543
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: and immediately it's like, well, this guy should be the starter,

544
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: like no, I mean he struggled against the ones, the

545
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: backups came in and played well, made slit a bit

546
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: and showed you why you might have been higher on

547
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 2: your valuation. A bigger thing for me is you know

548
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: where he would still be third or fourth on a

549
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: depth chart is well, what's going on in meeting rooms?

550
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: What's going on in those you know, personnel groupings and

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: discussions with the coordinator, your position coach and Stefanski himself.

552
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: We have no idea, but for for Shadora, like, look,

553
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: we want stories like nobody is actively rooting to not

554
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: have another quarterback that's on the board, whether it becomes

555
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: the he's the latest in the long list of quarterbacks

556
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: to fail in Cleveland. So you know you get the

557
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: laughs out of that, or you know he goes on

558
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: to become a great it's good for business and in

559
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: this case just that sycophantic and nothing this guy does

560
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: wrong is is just silliness. Right, we had it in Spurts,

561
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: right Andrew Lack who took the L four for Stanford

562
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: yesterday as there what is he a GM? I think

563
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: they gave him that title now Jared, But like we

564
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: had it with him for a bit, right, he was

565
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: gonna be that guy. Trevor Lawrence got to do that

566
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: for about two years to where everybody was on board

567
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: and then suddenly became okay, we'll see what he does.

568
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: But you know, you normally get a pretty good short

569
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: run of those kind of things. But for shirdor Sanders,

570
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: that part of it doesn't seem to be slowing down,

571
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: at least to this point in the preseason. And look,

572
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: nobody's got grand expectations on the Browns, but in the end,

573
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of jobs tied to this, to

574
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: making him or whoever the quarterback is look good and

575
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: for the offensive lineman, and we know what the tail

576
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: looks like for NFL careers. A lot of those are

577
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: linemen that are cycled out immediately.

578
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what like, let's just dive into these because

579
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Speaker 3: I did.

580
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I went down this rabbit hole, you know, after I

581
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: was reading through the group chat this morning with you

582
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: and bow and I was catching up on that and

583
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to wrap my head around just some

584
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: of these takes. Let's just dive into the conspiracy theory

585
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: for the moment that Kevin Stefanski and the Cleveland Browns

586
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: organization are purposely tanking their preseason games. When Shador comes

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: into the game and their third round pick Dylan Gabriel,

588
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: they are giving him the good plays and the good

589
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: place yeah, the the you know, the ones that are

590
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: going to work, and they're giving Shador all of the

591
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: bad ones. Let's wrap our head around this for a moment.

592
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Speaker 1: Public If your goal is to trade Shador, if your

593
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: goal is to get him out of town, you spent

594
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick on him, so cutting him would

595
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: be a waste of a fifth round pick. A lot

596
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: of good players have been fifth round picks in the past.

597
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: If your goal is to make him look bad, you

598
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: are tanking his trade value, which means anything that you

599
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: might get back for him is now worse because you

600
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: gave him the bad plays and you made him look bad.

601
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Tell me how that makes sense for me, Busy organization,

602
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. If anything, you'd want it to

603
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: be the opposite. You'd want to give Shador the good plays.

604
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Let's make Shador artificially boost Let's make him very frothy.

605
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Let's make him look great when he's really not good,

606
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: so then we can get something back for him. If

607
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I was a GM. That's what I would do if

608
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to trade him. I wouldn't tank him

609
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: on purpose because I'm sick of hearing all of these

610
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: people talk about how great he is. That makes zero

611
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: sense from a business perspective. And make no mistake about it,

612
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the NFL is a business, a very lucrative, high stakes business,

613
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: and they spend a fifth round pick on him. Now,

614
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: gms don't lose their job for getting fifth round picks wrong.

615
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: But if you are trying to tank his value, that

616
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: is only hurting the Browns bottom line. It makes no sense, Mike,

617
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: zero sense.

618
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: Well, but you know that's not going to stop the

619
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: cult of personality. And yes, I expect to hear Corey

620
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Glover belting it out here in short order. Now it's

621
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: time to go over to the news desk. Will continue

622
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: across the great expanses of the National Football League in

623
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: a moment. But first, it's Isaac Lohencrown. He got to

624
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: call a win the other day. He's still jacked up

625
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: about it.

626
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 8: I still am, and Mike and Jared, I'm also jacked

627
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 8: up about a really busy morning in the NFL. We

628
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 8: actually have a new non backup quarterback related development in

629
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 8: the last few moments, as in the NFL. ESPN has

630
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 8: just reported that the Kansas City Chiefs are reacquiring defensive

631
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 8: tackle Derek Noddy at a trade from the New York Jets.

632
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: Now.

633
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 8: Noddy played the first seven seasons of his career with

634
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 8: the Chiefs before signing with the Jets last March.

635
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: The Jets have won the toss that are elected not

636
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Speaker 1: to play.

637
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 8: Or at least election not to play deren Natty.

638
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Anyway.

639
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 8: The bitters of the Vikings have signed veteran Carson Wentz

640
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 8: to be their backup quarterback and have traded quarterback Sam

641
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 8: Howe to the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles

642
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 8: backup Tanner McKee presently dealing with a finger injury. Last night,

643
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 8: Raiders backup quarterback Aiden O'Connell broke his right wrist in

644
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 8: a loss to Arizona and we'll miss six to eight weeks.

645
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 8: Rookie sixth round pick Cam Miller presently next on the

646
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 8: depth chart bind starter Geno Smith. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Speaker 8: are releasing rookie safety Shiloh Sanders. Sanders was ejected from

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Speaker 8: last night's preseason game against Buffalo for punching Bills tight

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Speaker 8: end Zach Davidson. We also have one Major League Baseball

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Speaker 8: game underway right now in Pittsburgh. The Pirates and Colorado

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Speaker 8: Rockies scoreless.

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Speaker 2: In the top of the third.

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Speaker 8: Mike and Jared back to you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate Silo at Isaac Low and gron Where you find

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Speaker 2: him in the twitterverse. Find jareded at Jared Smith bets

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Speaker 2: find me over at so Walt Wing Dome. As we continue,

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Speaker 2: Let's take a trip over to Nevada and talk some

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Speaker 2: more about the quarterbacking situation. Pete Carroll now down a

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Speaker 2: man with that Aidan O'Connell news. What's next on the horizon?

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Speaker 2: As wee in the backup Quarterback Carousel, It's Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: in about ten minutes from now, we'll take our trip

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Speaker 2: into the college football world. Jared's got a team that's

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Speaker 2: a top five squad entering the preseason. Can they live

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Speaker 2: up to the hype? He'll have to try to convince

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Speaker 2: me as we move forward. But going back into the

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Speaker 2: world of the National Football League will go around your

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Speaker 2: parts there in Las Vegas, Aidan O'Connell with the broken

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Speaker 2: wrist now six to eight weeks or longer. Cam Miller,

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Speaker 2: what is in North Dakota State. He is your backup

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Speaker 2: to Gino Smith. So I got to imagine that spy

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Speaker 2: tech Brady and Company. Once Brady gets out of the

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Speaker 2: next ribbon cutting ceremony for his latest card shop opening,

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Speaker 2: we'll get back to work about trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: how you fill that quarterback room. But certainly some early

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Speaker 2: trepidation and issues or is it all just hand the

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Speaker 2: ball to Ashton Genty anyway?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think if your backup quarterback is

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Speaker 1: your biggest concern heading into preseason, I guess heading into

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Speaker 1: the regular season now, I think you're doing okay.

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Speaker 2: Right, could be a lot worse, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like you can.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of backup quarterbacks that will likely become

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Speaker 1: available over the next week.

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Speaker 3: We're going to see.

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Speaker 1: A multitude of cuts. A lot of really good players

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Speaker 1: are gonna get cut. Like what's gonna happen with the

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Speaker 1: Bear situation? Right? Are they gonna cut Keenum? You know

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Speaker 1: that's a guy that could be available, right, he's been

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Speaker 1: a fourth stringer.

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Speaker 2: Well after signing Tyson Bagent. Yeah, we did a lot

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Speaker 2: of content on Tyson Bagent because Jason Smith during the

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Speaker 2: week just wanted to keep needling me about my situation. There.

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Speaker 2: We got plenty of time. We'll get to Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, the company. But yeah, in case, Keenum is

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Speaker 2: probably one of many that'll become available. And reminder of

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Speaker 2: the last five years, I think we're averaging sixty one

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks a year's start a game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Tyson, you know what a feel

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Speaker 1: good story. Yeah, there's a chance you're gonna get some

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Speaker 1: like for example, I'll go through I'll pull up my

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Speaker 1: quarterback chart right now, and I'll go through some of

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Speaker 1: the third stringers that might be on the cut list. Right,

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Speaker 1: maybe Mike White gets cut in Buffalo, Desmond Ritter in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, these are back please don't I know

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Speaker 1: these names are all like, oh my god, why would

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Speaker 1: you want to sign one of these guys?

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, but they're making us nostalgic.

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Speaker 3: Though about Tampa? How about Teddy Bridgewater in Tampa?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be the third stringer or are they

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Speaker 1: gonna keep Connor Bazilak, Right, the rookie from Bowling Green Like,

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Speaker 1: usually usually your third string quarterback is not a veteran.

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Speaker 1: It's usually a rookie who is on the practice squad

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Speaker 1: trying to learn. So you see guys like Kyle Allen,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Ellinger East and sticking in with the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta is another guy I could see cutting. He got

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Speaker 1: a start for the Chargers. I think last year Ripping

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Right, they just made a big move with

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Speaker 1: their backup quarterback where now it's Carson Wentz. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Brosmer might win that third string job and Ripping might

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Speaker 1: be gone uh keenan We mentioned in Chicago, Trevor simmeyon

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. These are all What's what are the Saints

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Speaker 1: gonna do with Hayner as they're there? Are they gonna

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Speaker 1: keep Haynter as their third stringer? They're gonna go with

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Speaker 1: Ratler and Shuck and have a you know, a rookie,

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Speaker 1: younger guy be the third string. So these are all

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Speaker 1: third string quarterbacks that might get cut over the next week.

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Speaker 1: What are the Chargers gonna do with Lance? Are they

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Speaker 1: gonna keep dj who you know has had his moments?

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Speaker 1: Lance looked okay, you know I think that Frankly, that's

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Speaker 1: it goes back to the Shador thing. If I'm a

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Speaker 1: and I think the Jets did this a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: They had a bevy of quarterbacks on the roster, and

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Speaker 1: they pumped one of them up in the preseason and

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Speaker 1: then they traded him for like a sixth round pick.

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Speaker 1: If you are a team that has a third string

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Speaker 1: quarterback that can play is not like a complete you know, scrub,

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Speaker 1: you want to get him as many reps as possible

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Speaker 1: during the preseason. You want to make them look really good,

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Speaker 1: and then you want to trade him for a late

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Speaker 1: round pick on a quarterback needy team like the Raiders

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Speaker 1: who just lost their backup.

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Speaker 3: So like, that's to me how you do business in

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Speaker 3: the NFL.

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Speaker 1: One of these teams is going to have a quarterback available,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Raiders will sign well, I have

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Speaker 1: no idea who, but they'll sign with someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a curiosity. I'd be remiss.

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Speaker 2: We're watching a little bit of a Penn State West

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Speaker 2: Virginia soccer game and we just saw LeVar Arrington, our

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Speaker 2: teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. They just shouted him

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Speaker 2: out on the broadcast. You're on Big ten network. There

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Speaker 2: you go. We were everywhere Penn State taking over looking

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Speaker 2: ourselves there. It is one of the great drops.

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Speaker 1: That must be a fun five in the morning with

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Speaker 1: those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little little bit, a little bit loose. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you used to do Sunday mornings with me and we

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Speaker 2: traverse the light. Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: He's great, honestly, And I say this to a lot

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Speaker 1: of the people out there that are listening the talent

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Speaker 1: we have on this network. And I'm new, I'm the

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Speaker 1: new guy. I've only been here for a few years.

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Speaker 1: All these guys have been here for you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot longer than me. I've been welcomed with open arms

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Speaker 1: by so many really high end talent at this network.

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Speaker 1: The Cavino and Rich crew has been awesome. LeVar and

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Speaker 1: Jonas and Brady have always been very kind everyone. You

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Speaker 1: guys have been awesome. This is an awesome place to work.

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Speaker 1: You guys should really listen.

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Speaker 2: There's our well he got paid to give that take

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Speaker 2: paid right now. Jared Smith Betts is where you'll find

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Speaker 2: him in the universe. You find me over at Swollen Dome. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the carousel for third string quarterbacks. Curious what you think

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Speaker 2: of the Carson Wentz signing. That's where we'll pick things

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Speaker 2: up as we continue at Swollen Dome. Where you find

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Speaker 2: me Mike armand Jared Smith. Hour two coming up next

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Speaker 2: here it's Fox Sports Radio Greeting's welcome in hour two

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Speaker 2: of the program. Welcome in for another run here Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Sunday, Mike Armon alongside Jared Smith in the uh

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Speaker 2: the Mini break, we got into an argument about poor things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: now we get into movie christ and now we gotta

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a jumping off point here. Jared, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen this piece of film work

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Speaker 2: that winning awards and everything else. Sam and I on

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Speaker 2: a divide, and then he tried to be go to

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Speaker 2: the pejorative after telling me millions of people listen to tools,

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Speaker 2: so you have to be wrong if you think they suck, says,

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Speaker 2: go watch your Marvel and DC movies. That was the

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Speaker 2: the argument about poor things to hit me with the

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Speaker 2: one that's made multi billions of dollars. It really kind

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Speaker 2: of failed for me, Sam.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I know good filmmaking when I see it. No, great,

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Speaker 9: glad you brought this on the air. Mike Great, Well,

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Speaker 9: we had to because it was acclaimed movie. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 9: I saw it twice in theaters.

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Speaker 2: There you go, No, no watch. But it's it's as

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Speaker 2: we always say, not everything's made for me or for you,

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Speaker 2: and we take it as we do. And that's the

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Speaker 2: sporting world as it is.

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Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes is poor things.

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Speaker 3: So let that sp honestly.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm I've never even heard of that movie

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Speaker 1: till you just mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: See there you go. Now you may for it to

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Speaker 2: your list.

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Speaker 1: I need to, I clearly need to.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: See a lot of her naked so that's at least

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Speaker 1: one consolation.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Sam, please on the radio, dude, he added the

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Speaker 2: extra spice as it were. Here, It's Fox Sports, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Sunday, My Carbon, Jared Smith with you a little

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Speaker 2: bit of film and television and everything. You know, we

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Speaker 2: try to bring pop culture into our world. As we do.

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Speaker 2: It's more just day as we get ready for the

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Speaker 2: largess of college football Week one and the NFL just

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Speaker 2: we wrap it in a nice big hug and welcome

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Speaker 2: it back after all of these many months and fractured

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Speaker 2: viewing habits. As we talk about the summer season. Maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe baseball is not your thing, even with all the

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Speaker 2: rule changes and shorter games. Maybe the w NBA doesn't

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Speaker 2: get it done, or the Big Three or whatever else

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Speaker 2: you got going on. We all find some comfort and

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Speaker 2: consolation in the whistle, first whistle of a of a

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Speaker 2: new football season. So all of that to say, we've

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Speaker 2: got you covered. Countdown every Saturday and Sunday. Jared part

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Speaker 2: of the Saturday crew, with that kind enough to join

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Speaker 2: us here on a beautiful Sunday morning here at Jared

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Speaker 2: Smith Betts where you find and you find me over

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Speaker 2: at Swollen Dome and Jared We're talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: the college world, and we talked last hour the changes

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Speaker 2: the landscape of college football and trying to keep track

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Speaker 2: of it. Literally, you need the program perhaps more than

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Speaker 2: you ever did before, even with your favorite team with

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Speaker 2: the number of moving parts. But when we go conference

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Speaker 2: to conference and the larger scale you look and look,

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Speaker 2: college football plenty of fans, whether it's your conference, whether

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Speaker 2: it's your specific school, but on the whole, maybe regionalized

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Speaker 2: to where it doesn't get the national attention outside of

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Speaker 2: a few storylines as this season gets underway, but there's

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Speaker 2: no avoiding the fact that arch Manning is the story

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Speaker 2: entering the season, and a guy that has been well

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Speaker 2: deified by many before. He's really done a whole lot

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Speaker 2: in the college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the arch Manning stuff, we need to

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Speaker 1: just ignore the hype and it's really hard to do.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing about Texas that that helps is

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Speaker 1: it's Texas, right, Like if arch Manning was playing at

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Speaker 1: another school, at a lesser name brand school, it would

863
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Speaker 1: swallow him whole. I mean, like, let's just say, and

864
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: this isn't a knock on Notre Dame, but or let's

865
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: just say, I'll go let's go all yeah, I mean well,

866
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: because Notre Dame has a little bit more of the

867
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: cult following, so that wasn't a good example. I'll go

868
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: with another SEC school that is at Like let's say

869
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: you put him on LSU with Brian Kelly.

870
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, LSU is a.

871
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: Name brand school, but Texas has this ore about it, right,

872
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: It has this kind of they have their own network,

873
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: they have their own this, they have their own that,

874
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: and he has this this name now that is superseding

875
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: all of it. But he's on Texas, which is the

876
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: kind of the the epicenter of college football right now.

877
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's almost unfair that we put this

878
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: onus on him because he's barely played. Like it'd be

879
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: one thing if to put this onus on a guy

880
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: who was the returning. Like, let's say someone wins the Heisman.

881
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is ever gonna happen

882
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: ever again based off of how college football goes, but

883
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: let's say someone wins the Heisman Trophy and it comes

884
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: back the next year, that would be worthy of the

885
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: high Like that would be the hype level that Arch

886
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: is getting. That would be maybe worthy of it, and

887
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: even that might be a little bit too much, depending

888
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: on how you know, the circumstances of how he wins.

889
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: But we're crowning this kid before he's done anything. I mean,

890
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: And I got a lot of pushback for this, but

891
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: I I responded to one of Colin Coward's tweets a

892
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, you know, talking about Quinn yours and

893
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: how poorly he has played in the preseason, and I

894
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of took a I do this sometimes, I like

895
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: to stir the pod on social media, and I said, well,

896
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: what does that say about Arch Manning that he couldn't

897
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: even beat out Quinn for the for the starting job

898
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: last year? And I got, oh, well, you know, well,

899
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: they loved Quinn so much he you know, Stark was

900
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: loyal to him and all this that I was like, man,

901
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: loyalty only goes so far. Like if Arch was significantly

902
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: better than Quinn Ewers, I would have started.

903
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: I would have started Arch.

904
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Especially in the playoff when Ewers was battling injuries. He

905
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: missed a decent chunk of the year due to injuries,

906
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: and he wasn't one hundred percent. You could tell he

907
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: wasn't one hundred percent and he still got all the

908
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: snaps except for I think a couple of gadget plays

909
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: in Texas's playoff games. So if I just think we're

910
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: putting so much on a kid's shoulders, he has no

911
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: there's no way he can live up to it. So

912
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: we are already setting him up for failure before the

913
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: season even starts.

914
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been the curiosity to me. Right, we saw

915
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: a little bit and we can recognize that there's a

916
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: different style than his famous uncles in terms of how

917
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: he will navigate the quarterback position, certainly better legs and

918
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: get to the edge and whatever else. Not that that

919
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: Peyton and Eli didn't find their spot now and again,

920
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: as awkward looking as it might have been, but to

921
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: be the prohibited favorite, you know, with the number of

922
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: returning starters across the college of landscape, you know, it's

923
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: a microcosm or an extension or a permutation of kind

924
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: of what we did with the famous surname of Sanders

925
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: and the expectation. And I think some of the chaos

926
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: that's now transcended to the National Football League of that

927
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: expectation and that divide that's happened of there's no way

928
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: to just be pragmatic and rational about this. It's almost

929
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: like you have to pick your side as related to

930
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: arch Manning and what your expectations are versus I don't know.

931
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: I'd like to watch for a game or two, going

932
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: back to our conversation an hour ago of what college

933
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: football is in twenty twenty five of it's not a

934
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: fully formed and packaged anything. And right out of the gate,

935
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: he gets a huge test that coming out out of

936
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: that game next Saturday, the sky may be falling just

937
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: that fast.

938
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine he looks bad.

939
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: And a lot of quarterbacks making their first real big

940
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: start as QB one going to Columbus to face the

941
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: defending national champs, A lot of quarterbacks would get a

942
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: mulligan on that one. All Right, you didn't win the game,

943
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: you had some nice plays to build on. It's one

944
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: game in a non conference on the road against the

945
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: defending national champs. Will let this one slide the way

946
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: that we built this kid up, that's impossible, Like, we

947
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: can't do that if they If Texas goes into the

948
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: Shoe and gets beat and it's a pick them game

949
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: right now, could go either way.

950
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: Who's gonna win? I would lean Texas.

951
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I think the replacing the coordinators for Ohio State is

952
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: concerning the fact that they are catching less than a

953
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: field goal on the road against the defending national champs

954
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: tells you that on a neutral Texas is probably the

955
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 1: better team, and I think that's a fair sessment to make.

956
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: I love I love Texas's defense. Texas has I think

957
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: the two best defenders in the SEC, Collin Simmons and

958
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: Anthony Hill. You might not know those guys by name,

959
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: they're not household names, but you will probably know them

960
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: by the end of the year. I think Ohio State

961
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: has the two best players in the country period, Jeremiah

962
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: Smith and Caleb Downs. But I think Texas has the

963
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: two best defenders in their conference, and they've got two

964
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: really good running backs Wisner and Baxter.

965
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: Probably the best.

966
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: Run game in the country behind Penn State. But that's

967
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: a tough game, and that's a game that we don't expect.

968
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to call Archer rookie, but for lack

969
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: of a better word, he's like rookie being QB one.

970
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: That is not a game we expect a rookie essentially

971
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: QB one, rolling into Columbus to play well in like

972
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: we expect him to take his lumps, but we can't.

973
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: He can't take his lumps because his last name is

974
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Manning and he's already hyped up to be the best

975
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: player in the history of college football. I mean, it's

976
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: crazy the amount of pressure we have put on this kid.

977
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: My question to you, Mike, if his name was Arch Smith.

978
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: Would we be talking about this.

979
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 2: No, But that's it changed, the surname, different guy, right,

980
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Obviously you add just what we've seen for what four decades,

981
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: go back to his grandpa, who is not authorized to

982
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: talk for him. It doesn't seem like anymore.

983
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: How was weird? What do you make of that? Well?

984
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it.

985
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: Was just a little too high on the sauce that day.

986
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: Well oh wow, I don't know. I want to say,

987
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: I think I think to some degree, you know, you

988
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: try to get into his head on it was. Let's

989
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 2: not have that be the thing that is the over

990
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: no pun intended, arching story, the story like the start

991
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: of season there, you know what I mean, Like, let's

992
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: not talk about the NFL and the Saints or whoever

993
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: is going to be the number one pick or have

994
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: the number one pick. Let's just go and do this

995
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: college for both things. So I think to some degree

996
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: it was trying to tamp it down at least.

997
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: That then it's like it then you bring attention to

998
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: something that really is not relevant right now, like who

999
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: cares if he's coming out or not. That is completely

1000
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: irrelevant to what's about to happen.

1001
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, And that's for him. It

1002
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: was the Hey, he's here, and he's like, this is

1003
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: what we're doing in whatever.

1004
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't you say, hey, let the kids start

1005
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: a game first, like let's get through the Ohio State game,

1006
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: and then let's get through the next game, and then

1007
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: let's get to the next game.

1008
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: Like that's it goes back to our original point.

1009
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: We are already setting this kid up to come out

1010
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: in the draft, be the number one pick. All of

1011
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: these things.

1012
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: He save a city, save.

1013
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: A team, like it's crazy and and I think I

1014
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: would say, if I had to allocate a percentage of it,

1015
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: I would say more than half of it, at least

1016
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: fifty one percent. Is because his last name is Manning.

1017
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: But the other part of it is he has a

1018
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: considerable amount of height because of what team he plays for,

1019
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: and because he was unable to win the job last year,

1020
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: and viewers was in front of him, so it was

1021
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: building up right like it's this delayed gratification where it

1022
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: has been boiling over for a full year. Now. We

1023
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: have heard now for the last two years, how good

1024
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: this kid is. Typically in college football you see some result.

1025
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: By that point in time. You do not see him

1026
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: get recruited, come in, then sit for a full year

1027
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: and then be the backup. It's a lot of patience,

1028
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: and I think patience is something that our society doesn't

1029
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: have a lot of. So before we even get to

1030
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: the point where we can accurately assess him as a quarterback,

1031
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: we're already getting his famous grandfather talking about coming out

1032
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: or not coming out to the NFL.

1033
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's the.

1034
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: Cart before the horse. It is that exact argument. And

1035
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: can we just let this kid play one freaking game? First?

1036
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: One game, at least one game, maybe.

1037
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: After the Ohio State game.

1038
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: If he goes in the Columbus and tears it up,

1039
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: then maybe okay, wow, now he's got to come out, right.

1040
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: But we haven't even played one game yet, Mike, It's crazy. No.

1041
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: The analogy I used for our society is so brilliantly

1042
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: done by The Simpsons many years ago. At some point,

1043
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: Moses Lack your trustee bar owner is trying to figure

1044
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: out how do we boost business, and he starts thinking

1045
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: about making it a family restaurant. Oh yeah, it becomes

1046
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Moe's family feedback. But he's bringing in a giant industrial

1047
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: friar and he tells Homer, Hey, it can flash fry

1048
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: a buffalo in forty seconds, and Homer goes, oh, but

1049
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: I want it now. That's kind of where we're at

1050
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: with all of this, Like I forget about the build, right.

1051
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: We want act three of a movie, and most act

1052
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: threes of films are not good. You know, the end

1053
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: of a season once they've been extended and they've already

1054
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: gotten the notice, Hey, you're gonna get a season two

1055
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: of this show. Notice the last four or five episodes

1056
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: before the finale aren't very good. Now they're just passing

1057
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: time because they got the thirteen order thirteen episode order

1058
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: for the next season. It's the same thing here. It's

1059
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: like we want to rush to a Heisman trophy ceremony

1060
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: and then eventually Roger Goodell getting booed before announcing the

1061
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: number one pick. Arch Manning currently plus six fifty or

1062
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: plus seven hundred club Nick behind him nus Meyer, and

1063
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: then it's a bit of a run down to Jeremiah Smith,

1064
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: who's at ten or twelve to one, depending on where

1065
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: you're looking at. And then Drew Aller at eighteen to one.

1066
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: I had to say the name. I had to get there.

1067
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: That was the long winded way to get to your guy.

1068
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: A lot of things you have to love about the squad.

1069
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Perhaps the perfect beast has been built, but questions around

1070
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: the signal caller.

1071
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet on Arch or Drew to win the Heisman.

1072
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: You want to know why? Why is that their defenses

1073
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: are so good? What if your Penn State or Texas

1074
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: you are trying to win football games. You know how

1075
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: you win games. You score more points than the opponent.

1076
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Now there's two ways to do that. You can score

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00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot of points, kind of like Miami last year

1078
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: in Camp Ward, or you can prevent the other team

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00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: from scoring.

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: That's what I think Texas and Penn State are better at.

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Grind it out and then just win your twenty one

1082
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: to thirteen games or whatever and just be done with it.

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00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: That is not going to move the needle in the

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00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: Heisman market.

1085
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: This is true.

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00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: So my point being though, if you and that's not

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00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: to say one of those players can't win the Heisman, Sure.

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00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: They absolutely can.

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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: But if we're making a bet in August that won't

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00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: come to fruition until December, wouldn't you want to make

1091
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: it on a guy that you think has upside? Right?

1092
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: This is how I approach the futures market plus six

1093
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: point fifty on arch Manning is going to be there

1094
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: even if he plays really well against Ohio State and

1095
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 1: Texas wins, what's it gonna go to five to one?

1096
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: And you get all this information like, Wow, he's really good.

1097
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: You get to watch him play. You actually, how about that?

1098
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: What novel contententary before making a bet for Heisman? You

1099
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: actually get to watch the players start a football game

1100
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: that matters. Now, Drew Aller, we've seen some of it.

1101
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: It hasn't been great. It hasn't been great. And the

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00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: one thing I'm sick of with Drew. To transition to

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: your other point, which is a very valid question, it's

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00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: not James Franklin that's holding back Penn State.

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00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: We need to remove this.

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people I'm actually speaking to

1107
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully it's in the thousands, maybe it's a million,

1108
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: probably not. We need to remove the big Game James

1109
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: narrative from your brains. I'm pulling out the men in

1110
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: black flashy thingy, and I'm flashy thinging all of you

1111
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: from this James Franklin narrative. Remove it from your brains,

1112
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: eliminate it. And I know foon Baum went on a

1113
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: show this week and bashed them and all this stuff,

1114
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: and he has been an underdog in all of these games. Now,

1115
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: you want to make the argument that he has not

1116
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: elevated his roster two elite levels, and he has not

1117
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: upset one of these teams that he should have lost

1118
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: to the market said he was supposed to lose the

1119
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: points spread, said he was an underdog and he lost.

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Speaker 1: You want to make that argument that you want to

1121
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: say that's the mark of an elite coach. You take

1122
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: average players and you get the most out of him

1123
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: and you're able to do above average things. I can

1124
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: totally agree with you there, but that's not the narrative.

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00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: The narrative is he can't win the big Game. He

1126
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to win any of those games. He had

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: the worst team in all of those games. He had

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00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: worse roster in Ohio State, worst roster than Michigan. So

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00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: I just now the notre Ame game was a Tulsa

1130
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: But you go back and watch that notre Ame game,

1131
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: it comes down to three plays. Drew Aller was the

1132
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: culprit in all three. He missed the wheel rout in

1133
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: the second half that the dude was still be run

1134
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: and he threw it into the stands. He missed a

1135
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: simple flat route on the goal line in the first

1136
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: half which would have led to a touchdown, pens a

1137
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: field goal instead. And then, of course the interception on

1138
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: the last drive of the game. If any one of

1139
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: those three plays, If Drew Aller makes one of those

1140
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: three plays, Penn State's playing in the National championship game

1141
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: against Ohio State, and then all bets are off. So

1142
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 1: this narrative that James Franklin can't win a big game.

1143
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: He won two playoff games last year. How many playoff

1144
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: games at Alabama win last year? How many playoff games

1145
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: at Georgia win last year? Not too So, I just

1146
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: it's Drew Aller. He needs to elevate his mindset. He

1147
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: needs to play like a quarterback with a backbone. That's

1148
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: the knock on Drew. He's a little soft. If he

1149
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: plays better this year for the first time ever, Mike

1150
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: Penn State actually has the best roster. So the James

1151
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: Franklin narrative I think hopefully will die this season.

1152
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: We'll see to type things up. Propstore dot com. If

1153
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: you want to go buy that neuralizer you want to

1154
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: do your go fund yourself estimate between seventy five and

1155
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars coming up for auction

1156
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: September fourth through sixth. There you go, Jared, you can

1157
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: actually have your men in black neuralizer at your disposal.

1158
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's what it's called a flashy thing.

1159
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean we tried to say the actual Yeah,

1160
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: we gave it the scientific term. That's what we do.

1161
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: We try to elevate the conversation. Here Fox Sports Sunday,

1162
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: He's Jared Smith, I'm Mike Carbon. Coming up next, we

1163
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: turn our attention to the National Football League. Maybe Jared'll

1164
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: talk me off the ledge with my squad. Yeah, probably not.

1165
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: We'll do that next on Fox. Everybody get that dance

1166
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: party in Yep, you got it. Welcome back in it's

1167
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carbon alongside Jared

1168
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: Smith having a blast with you. Hey, you can stream

1169
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: this show. All are Fox Sports Radio shows twenty four seven.

1170
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: It's the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Search Fox Sports Radio.

1171
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: On the app, you stream us live and one of

1172
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: the newest features in the app, you can select Fox

1173
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: Sports Radio as one of your presets, just like you

1174
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: would on the radio dial. So be sure to preset

1175
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app. It'll always pop

1176
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: up at the top of your screen. I've done it.

1177
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: I've done it for all of my family's phones. Maybe

1178
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: you guys could go and do the same, you know,

1179
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: grab ten of your closest friends and family, maybe make

1180
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: a friend at brunch, whatever the case is. Expansion. The

1181
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: other thing is remember this fights. Soon enough, we are

1182
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: going to get back into where it's gift giving time

1183
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: in our society. Whatever you celebrate, however you celebrate, maybe

1184
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: someone's got a birthday coming up. It is the gift

1185
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: that keeps giving twenty four to seven with all the

1186
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: different channels, including Fox Sports Radio. How's that Jared good

1187
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: sales job?

1188
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: I think you are you can have a future in

1189
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: the radio industry.

1190
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: You go and nut create a little hand drawn card

1191
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: to tug at the hard strings, and you've given the

1192
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: gift that just keeps on giving.

1193
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely even that at the jam.

1194
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: Of the Month club, I mean, what are you gonna do?

1195
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: Come on, I think I went to a book club

1196
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: the other day where you know, we're trying to figure out,

1197
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, gifts to give people. You know, when we

1198
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: get to the end of a book. Usually when you

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01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: get to the end of the books, like right, you

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: give out little gifts. Hey, this is what that's what

1201
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving out now.

1202
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: I dig that. What was the book that you're finishing?

1203
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: I read the Book of Enoch. I don't know if

1204
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: you know what that I.

1205
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: Do not Here you go. It's the sixty second book

1206
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: review from Jared Smith.

1207
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's I don't want to give it away. It's

1208
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 1: it's kind of biblical. It's actually one of the Lost

1209
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: Bible books, and it's all about Enoch, who apparently was

1210
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: like this prophet who had, you know, a good relationship

1211
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: with God.

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01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: And it's kind of spiritual.

1213
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: It's a little spiritual, it's a little bit more into

1214
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: the uh, into the realm of the of the inner

1215
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: of the inner workings of the mind.

1216
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: See, and that works out perfectly because we are here

1217
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: on a beautiful Fox Sports Sunday. There you go, heading

1218
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: to it from surface services. I mean, this is where

1219
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: we fit in. We've used to get when we did

1220
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: the Fantasy Show many years ago, we'd have notes from

1221
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: folks saying, hey, my pastor's finishing up the homily right

1222
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,959
Speaker 2: as you guys took my start question so I'm gonna

1223
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: step out, or the guys that were writing from jail

1224
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: seeking salvation from a different source. All of that to say,

1225
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: we appreciate you wherever however you're listening, and there you go.

1226
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: Of the Book of Enoch, I will add it to

1227
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: my list. I'm currently reading a book about dopamine.

1228
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1229
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: I've been reading a lot of non sports stuff lately.

1230
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I try to get away from I mean, I read

1231
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: so much sports stuff, especially all the NFL preview college

1232
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: football preview magazines. But during this time, I think it's

1233
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: important to nourish the mind in other ways. So I

1234
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: try to read and I've been getting really and I'm

1235
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: full transparency, I'm Jewish, but I've been reading a lot

1236
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: of Bible lately. It is very interesting to kind of

1237
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: see our ancient history. I am very fascinated with our

1238
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: history and how we got here. It's something I've been

1239
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: really into, Like I've been watching a lot of history documentaries,

1240
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: reading a lot of Bible stuff, reading a lot of

1241
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: ancient history type stuff. It's very interesting to me.

1242
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Speaker 2: Well, it's also prescient with the number of people predicting

1243
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: the the and being nigh for many reasons. I always well,

1244
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: but that's the thing. I mean, that's part of the business.

1245
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's.

1246
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: How I get you act one way or another. The

1247
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: end is near, so you might as well go buy

1248
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: this car today. The end is near. You might as

1249
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: well go and oh, place this wage around. The Chicago

1250
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: Bears to win over eight a half games, or maybe

1251
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: you shouldn't all right, after a sloppy performance, it looked

1252
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: good in the box score. Right, if you just were

1253
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: box score reading, you'd say, hey, Caleb Williams had himself

1254
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: a solid outing against the Kansas City Chiefs. Well, that's

1255
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: not how Ben Johnson saw.

1256
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 10: It was not the start we wanted from from our

1257
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 10: ones on really offense defense, we're special teams.

1258
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: It was.

1259
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 10: It was a little bit disappointing to see how how

1260
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 10: slow we started. Defensively, we didn't feel like we controlled

1261
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage very well. We gave up some

1262
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 10: explosive plays, We had some some costly penalties, and you know,

1263
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 10: we couldn't stop them they when they got down there

1264
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 10: in the red zone.

1265
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: So that wasn't good on that side.

1266
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 10: Offensively, first two possessions was was really sloppy football that

1267
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 10: you know has plugged us in and out of camp

1268
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 10: so far, and unfortunately that's that's what we got here tonight.

1269
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 10: There was a number of things that we could have

1270
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 10: done a better job of. We said, this is our

1271
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 10: first time on the road and we were going to

1272
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 10: find out what type of road team we were going

1273
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 10: to be. And you know, if the first quarter was

1274
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 10: really any indication, it's it's not good enough.

1275
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: So we got to get better in a hurry.

1276
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: Now I'll say this, I'll still throw something through my

1277
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: television the first time that a tackle throws a pass

1278
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: or or something crazy comes out of the offensive sets Jared.

1279
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: But I do like the fact that you've got a

1280
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: coach that's calling out accountability. There's not a lot of uh,

1281
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: let's let's have some nice, fluffy, flowery language for anybody

1282
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: or anything. I did it a bit with the Tyson

1283
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: Bagent contract, and you know some folks took umbrage with that,

1284
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: uh that it was, you know, going to incite some

1285
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of controversy. Uh certainly Jason Smith and I battled

1286
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: about that. You can find uh the podcast uh there

1287
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: wherever you get your audio. But when it comes down

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Speaker 2: to it, you know, the standards are raised, the expectations

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Speaker 2: are raised. This guy's been brought in, along with Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 2: to in theory, turn the fortunes of this long dormant

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Speaker 2: squad around. And I like that coming out of a

1292
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: third preseason games, it's not all a well the end

1293
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 2: was great? No, no, no, you got how was act won?

1294
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: Did it play out? Well? No it didn't. And that's

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Speaker 2: the one that's going to matter when you get to

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Speaker 2: a week from Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think patience is the word I would use.

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: This is a offense that is being completely renovated, ripped up,

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01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: torn down to the studs, and built back up. And

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is just look at the

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Speaker 1: formations from last year. The Bears refused to utilize the

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: tight end last year. It was something that they hardly

1303
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: ever did Cole Comet two and a half catches per

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: game for about twenty seven yards per game. That was

1305
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: his worst numbers.

1306
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: He was doing jumping jack saying I'm open, right open,

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01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: throw the ball.

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: It was absolutely awful. The Bears used a top ten

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01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: rate of three wide receiver sets last year in situations

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01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: where the Lions were using two tight end sets, and

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,959
Speaker 1: I think that is going to be the biggest change.

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01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: You see a lot more twelve personnel for Chicago this year.

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01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: They drafted Loveland, they still have Comet. Ben Johnson loves

1314
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,919
Speaker 1: using tight ends, absolutely loves it. The Lines ran twelve

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: personnel on thirty two percent of snaps last year. What's

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Speaker 1: twelve personnel? The first number is how many running backs?

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Speaker 1: The second number is how many tight ends? One two

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: one running back, two tight ends, which means you only

1319
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: have two wide receivers on the field. Now, that's going

1320
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: to be the intriguing part for Chicago. I think they

1321
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: have three really good receivers. How do they utilize all

1322
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: three of them? More Dunes and this new kid, Luther Burton,

1323
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: who looks like an absolute rock star. I think you'll

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: see Burden kind of be a gadget receiver to start

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: his career. They will work him in slowly. He will

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: be They will have certain plays and sets for him,

1327
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: but he will not be one of the main receivers.

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more. I think it's

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: going to be a doonsay. I think you're going to

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: see a running back in the backfield, and I think

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01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna see Lovelan and Comet on the field in

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: at least thirty percent of those situations. Right, the lines

1333
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: ran twelve personnel last year on thirty two percent of snaps.

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: They ran eleven personnel, which is one running back, one

1335
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: tight end, three receivers on fifty five percent of snaps.

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: That means Ben Johnson had a tight end on the

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01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: field nine out of ten plays last year. Well, you

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: got two really good ones in Chicago. I think both

1339
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: of those guys are going to be big factors in

1340
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: the offense. Now, the one thing that Chicago didn't do

1341
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: last year, didn't run a lot of play action, didn't

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: run a lot of early down passes. Well, these are

1343
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: things that Ben Johnson loves. Jared Goff last year ranked

1344
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: number one in success rate out of forty six qualifying

1345
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on early down passes runs look like throws, throws

1346
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: look like runs. That is what Detroit did very well.

1347
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: They kept teams off balance on early downs. Third down

1348
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: is very predictable. Usually when it's third and eight, the

1349
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: defense knows you're throwing. When it's third and one, the

1350
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: defense knows you're running. That's why we don't use third

1351
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: down as a grade in terms of how predictable and

1352
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: how efficient your offense is. Early downs tends to be

1353
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: the factor that is more predictive of how good your

1354
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: offense is. Well, the lines were really good on early

1355
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: downs last year. It was really difficult to figure out

1356
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: what Ben Johnson was trying to do. The Bears were

1357
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: the opposite. They ran three wide receivers on almost all

1358
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: of their early down throws. If they came out in

1359
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: three wide on early downs, they're throwing it easy to

1360
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: figure out for a defense. I think that's going to

1361
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: be the biggest difference is Ben Johnson's ability to throttle

1362
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: up and throttle down the mystery rate of what his

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: offense is going to look like.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that takes time, and time is not

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: a commodity that is very in you, a resource that

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: is very plentiful in the NFL. So my approach is

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: patience the Bears. I think the Vikings win that game

1369
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: week one. I think that's a tough game week one

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01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: against Brian Flores in a blitzing defense. I think the

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: early part of the season might be a little shaky

1372
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: and the Bears might be chasing their win total for

1373
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: pretty much the entire season, but I do think they will.

1374
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: Like if you asked me week one to week eighteen,

1375
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: barring injuries, I think you see a significant improvement in

1376
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: the efficiency of that Bears offense.

1377
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you go back to what they came

1378
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: to camp with last year. Basically, he's rolled the ball

1379
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: out for Caleb Williams. He made a lot of bad decisions,

1380
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: but you had a bad offensive line. It all played together.

1381
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: You can take the blame chart and do with it

1382
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: what you will, But now you're totally retooling things. He's

1383
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: being asked to do things he never had to do

1384
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: usc and certainly things he didn't get asked to do

1385
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: a year ago. So retooling the offense all together. There

1386
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: something bo and I were talking about, you know before

1387
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: the show, as we're watching you know, the tape coming

1388
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: out of this week's game against Kansas City, I thought

1389
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: one of my favorite plays was actually the sack he

1390
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: took when he stayed in the pocket, because in the

1391
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: past he would have gone one one thousand, the hell

1392
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: with this, I'm out of here, or tried to do

1393
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: the scramble thing like we played the shedor Sanders minus

1394
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: twenty two yard thing. Then you know last hour. That

1395
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: was Caleb Williams a year ago. If it breaks down,

1396
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, do the Peyton Manning side of thing. You

1397
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: ever have any of these toys? We had one around

1398
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: the studio while it was a goat to where you

1399
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: would press the button at the bottom and the legs

1400
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: would collapse and then you'd let go of the button

1401
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 2: and go ha, you jump back up. That was Peyton

1402
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: Manning's career. It's like it's coming, take the legs out run.

1403
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: That's what Caleb Williams needs to do. Live to see

1404
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: another down and then move from there. You don't have

1405
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: a lot of favors because you also have the AFC

1406
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: north Is on your schedule. You talk about starting with

1407
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: Flores and then you look at a couple of the defenses. Hell,

1408
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: even if you don't love the Browns. Miles Garrett is

1409
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: a very serious person to have to deal with on

1410
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: that old line and for Caleb Williams to make a read.

1411
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the under on the win total.

1412
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: But patience that doesn't exist, Jared, Come on, pragmatism, how

1413
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 2: dare you?

1414
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I try, I'm trying here again. It was

1415
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: It's really hard to.

1416
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 3: Change an offense like this.

1417
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: I mean, this was probably one of the most predictable

1418
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: offenses in the league last year. When they came out

1419
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: in three wide and in shotgun, it was obvious they

1420
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: were running it, or excuse me, they were throwing it.

1421
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: They threw it eighty percent of the time out of

1422
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: that formation last year three wide shotgun, eight out of

1423
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: ten times they're throwing it. Meanwhile, when he's under center,

1424
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: they're only throwing it forty percent of the time. If

1425
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: you're a defense and you know that when the quarterback

1426
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: is under center, there's a sixty percent chance it's a run,

1427
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: compared to when he's in the shotgun, there's an eighty

1428
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: percent chance it's a pass. Do you know how easy

1429
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: that is for a defense to diagnose? I mean, I'm

1430
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: not a rocket scientist. I'm pretty sure I could call

1431
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: a defense against those types of personnel tendencies.

1432
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: As they say math. All right, be sure to check

1433
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 2: out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel toen of great

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Speaker 2: videos for many of our Fox Sports Radio show Search

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio on YouTube. You'll see a bunch of

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Speaker 2: Radios videos on YouTube. We love putting it up all

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: the shows and building those channels. Please check it out,

1440
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: evangelize to friends and family, and keep it growing. Now

1441
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: coming up next, maybe for Jared he's been up a while,

1442
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: it's almost naptime. Well, we saw an NFL star do that.

1443
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: Will his teams sleep walk through twenty twenty five? We'll

1444
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: talk about it next, But first it's Isaac Longron with

1445
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: an update of what's going on in our sporting universe.

1446
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: Backup quarterbacks.

1447
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 8: Get your backup quarterbacks.

1448
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 4: Here, guys.

1449
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 8: That's been the story of this Sunday so far. The

1450
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 8: National Football League, the Minnesota Items signing veteran Carson Wentz

1451
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 8: to be their backup quarterback and have traded quarterback Sam

1452
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 8: Howell to the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles last night.

1453
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 8: Las Vegas Raiders backup quarterback eight and O'Connell broke his

1454
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 8: right wrist and a loss to Arizona and we'll miss

1455
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 8: six to eight weeks. Rookie six round pickham Miller presently

1456
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 8: next on the Raiders depth chart behind starter Geno Smith.

1457
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 8: The Kansas City Chiefs are re acquiring defensive tackle Derek

1458
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 8: Noddy at a trade from the New York Jets. Now

1459
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 8: he played the first seven seasons of his career with

1460
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 8: the Chiefs before signing with the Jets in March. Dallas

1461
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 8: Cowboys cornerback tray Von Diggs has passed his physical and

1462
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 8: has been officially activated off the physically unable to perform list.

1463
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 8: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing rookie safety Shiloh Sanders.

1464
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 8: Sanders was ejected from last night's preseason game against Buffalo

1465
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 8: for punching Bills tight end Zach Davidson. Baseball, the Pirates

1466
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 8: have a four tozzing lead over the Colorado Rockies in

1467
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,959
Speaker 8: the top half of the sixth inning at Pittsburgh. Braves

1468
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 8: and Mets scoreless in the bottom of the first inning.

1469
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 8: Other games just getting under way. The Baltimore Orioles hosting

1470
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 8: the Houston Astros and the Phillies playing host to the

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Speaker 8: Washington Nationals, while Toronto is in Miami to take on

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 8: the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Guys, all yours, jeez, A legend. Check him out on

1474
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: Twitter at Isaac long Ground, including the call of that

1475
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: win for Angel City the other day. Very exciting. I

1476
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 2: think May ninth was the last w there, I loan

1477
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: it was a long long wait. Now over, Yes, there

1478
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: it is new life breathed in. Catch him there. Jared

1479
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: Smith with me at Jared Smith Bets find me over

1480
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 2: at swollen On and we'll finish up with the obligatory

1481
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: Cowboys talk as we roll on here on Fox Sports Sunday.

1482
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: Greaty to welcome back in Fox Sports Sunday at Fox

1483
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Mike Carman, Jared Smith with you as we

1484
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: close things out ten minutes from now. You got Hartman

1485
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: and Husky getting after it. NFL preseason is finally in

1486
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: the rear view mirror, all the leanings, learnings, cuts coming down.

1487
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: We had a bevy of activity and the backup quarterback world,

1488
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: including the return of Carson Wentz as he'll go and

1489
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: it'll work in Minnesota. A lot of positivity there. His

1490
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 2: childhood team all these things sell, sell, sell, this is

1491
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: the guy, because well, if you Aj McCarthy sputters coming

1492
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 2: off of a fantastic run that they had with Sam Darnold,

1493
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 2: it still hits the ears wrong when I say that

1494
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 2: Jared coming off of that fantastic run with Sam Donald

1495
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: that you know folks always love the most popular guy

1496
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: is is a well established backup, for lack of a

1497
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 2: better term. So we've got that going. We're watching those

1498
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 2: musical chairs. You broke down the myriad third chairs, third

1499
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: seats that might move along the way. But we'd be

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: remiss if we didn't spend a minute on the nap

1501
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: scene around the world from Friday Night. Micah Parsons, whether

1502
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 2: it was for a second or well an hour, it's

1503
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: captured for posterity, laying down Brian Schottenheimer saying, hey, we'll

1504
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: talk to Mike about that and we'll handle it internally.

1505
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: But given the vitriol, the visceral response to everything going on,

1506
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: the caustic commentary of the PT Barnum of the NFL,

1507
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones, we're getting towards eleventh hour. I asked this,

1508
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,440
Speaker 2: I said this with Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals situations

1509
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: like they were gonna stink with him or without him. Now,

1510
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 2: I know you can grab some metrics and tell me

1511
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: how good the Cowboys are, how much better they are

1512
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 2: with Micah on the field. But in the end, that

1513
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: defense isn't exactly tier one on the grand scale of things.

1514
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: So what's he worth to an overall win total?

1515
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: Probably about a half a win, maybe a full, but

1516
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: not nothing more. Maybe I would say a half. Here's

1517
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: the problem. Eberflus is running the defense this year. I

1518
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: know you know that name very well.

1519
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, we usually do the Pearl jam with it, Eberflues.

1520
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: So you look up the numbers on Aberflus. He spent

1521
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: four years in Indy as a defensive mind. They blitzed

1522
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: at the number thirtieth rate in the NFL during that time,

1523
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: and they generated pressure at the twenty fourth highest rate.

1524
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: Then in Chicago during his tenure, twentieth highest blitz rate,

1525
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: twenty ninth highest pressure rate. So translation, they really struggle

1526
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: to generate pressure and they refuse to bring extra bodies.

1527
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means for the Cowboys defense.

1528
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: I think Dallas has a little bit more top heavy

1529
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,799
Speaker 1: talent on their defense, but I think it's a thinner roster, frankly,

1530
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: especially in India. They had some good defenses in Indy

1531
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: during his time there. The bigger question on how Dallas

1532
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: plays this year is Dak Prescott. It's always Dak. It's

1533
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: always the quarterback. Sure, here's some numbers on Dak, and

1534
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: this is a very interesting list of quarterbacks. So this

1535
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: is Dak's tenth season in the NFL. He's a grizzled veteran. Right,

1536
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: There's only seven quarterbacks in the NFL that are at

1537
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: least twenty eight years old and being paid at least

1538
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: forty million dollars per year in twenty twenty five. Dak

1539
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: is one of them. He's thirty two. Stafford's the elder

1540
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: state elder statesman at thirty seven. Then you've got guys

1541
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: Off thirty, Mahomes twenty nine, Borrow twenty eight, Allen twenty eight,

1542
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: Lamar twenty eight. So Thatak's the second oldest player in

1543
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: this group. But he's tied for the fewest playoff wins

1544
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 1: and as the worst playoff success of any of those quarterbacks.

1545
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,799
Speaker 1: He's also playing in the weaker conference in the NFC,

1546
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: so two playoff wins in nine years for a guy

1547
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: making forty mili in his tenth year in the league.

1548
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: To me, that's what the Cowboys are. Now this year

1549
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: you're getting a discount. Last year their win total was

1550
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: ten and a half. This year it's seven and a half.

1551
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: So finally, I think market expectation has come down on

1552
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys where there actually is some upside to the over.

1553
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: But Mike, you gotta asked this question, like forty million

1554
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: for a guy that's been in the year in the

1555
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: league ten years and clearly is not lived up to

1556
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: any expectation.

1557
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: Can he make magic with George Pickens or do we

1558
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: get another subplot to the ongoing soap opera.

1559
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: I think you will see some positives and some flashes,

1560
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: but I think the consistency will be the big issue.

1561
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: And also, they can't run the ball. Javonte Williams is terrible.

1562
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: Go look at the numbers last year in Denver. He

1563
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: was brutal and now it's him, Miles Sanders, Jayden Blue

1564
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: film offa Douce fon. That's your running back group for Dallas.

1565
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: Good luck Eagles minus won fifty the implied odds, what's

1566
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: at sixty percent? Commanders at plus two twenty five Cowboys,

1567
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,560
Speaker 2: it's plus six hundred, and then the Giants all the

1568
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 2: way out there plus twenty two hundred. Jared for the division.

1569
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: Don't bet the Giants, don't bet the Cowboys, don't bet

1570
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles. You can bet the Commanders if you'd like.

1571
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: Very tough division to handicap. I don't think there's been

1572
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: a repeat winner in like twenty five years, so that

1573
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: would tell you down on Philly. But Washington's got Daniels

1574
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: who you never know, with a tent with a second year.

1575
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: But I think Washington has a chance to win that

1576
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: division this year.

1577
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: There you have it plenty to go at. Jared Smith

1578
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 2: bets where you find and find me over at Swollen

1579
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: Dumb coming up Naxon's Hartman and Husky. Thanks for listening.