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Speaker 2: On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, we're talking all
Speaker 2: offense and we're talking about what the air rate actually is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone says Cliff Kingsbury's air rate guy. Yeah, what does
Speaker 2: that mean? Then? How is he going to change that
Speaker 2: to fit the personnel here in Washington and what our
Speaker 2: guys be Rob Terry looked like with this It all
Speaker 2: starts right now. Welcome Command Center Podcast. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: Paulson here with Friendswood and Santana Moss. Guys, super juice
Speaker 2: to be here for this show. That's something going.
Speaker 3: Hey man, everything's good man, life is great, life is great,
Speaker 3: summer hair lips. He come on, miss some of all
Speaker 3: the new shows out. You're relax and you get ready and.
Speaker 4: Ain't quite from ball was coming? But what you know
Speaker 4: is there almost here? Absolutely, this is almost here. What
Speaker 4: was it was the Dragon?
Speaker 5: It's already here. Yeah no, no, it's already here.
Speaker 2: Brother, You're so late, so late, But I thought, But
Speaker 2: you know what I'm excited about is that this new podcast,
Speaker 2: Hall's Tales.
Speaker 5: Oh right, what a name?
Speaker 2: What a name?
Speaker 5: Who named it?
Speaker 2: Probably Jason?
Speaker 5: It probably would was it.
Speaker 6: Hearing that Hannah came out with it.
Speaker 5: I don't know it was Jason.
Speaker 2: Hannah's doing an awesome job. So last week we did
Speaker 2: the hiring of Joe Gibbs, which is a great episode.
Speaker 2: All good nuggets from that one that you like.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, yeah, no, no, I do. I like when
Speaker 6: Joe Gibbs got the call to meet Jack Can Cook
Speaker 6: and they went to New York called him to his
Speaker 6: office in New York and when he was there, Jack
Speaker 6: and Cook pointed out the window of the building to
Speaker 6: Joe Gibbs and said, see that building over there. He pointed,
Speaker 6: dear christis building because I own that. So anything you
Speaker 6: want you tell me, I can get it.
Speaker 2: That's a crazy flex. That is the craziest flex you imagine.
Speaker 3: Not really like, are you going to do the re
Speaker 3: hiring of Joe Gibbs? No irresponsible for the Joseph even
Speaker 3: answering the call to say Contex our fact checkers would
Speaker 3: be all first.
Speaker 5: First of all, coach already said it in his own words,
Speaker 5: did not.
Speaker 3: Coach Gibbs said, I was sitting at home with my
Speaker 3: wife watching TV and and some youngster gets on TV
Speaker 3: and say they were like.
Speaker 5: What happened? Spur to quit on you? Who year? What
Speaker 5: y'all gonna do?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: Like the on the person can save us, it's Coach Gibbs.
Speaker 2: If he come back, you did actually call him?
Speaker 3: No, He sitting there with his wife and he said,
Speaker 3: I have been, I've been, hadn't been wanting to coach
Speaker 3: for like three months. But I didn't know how to
Speaker 3: ask my wife and you asked the fundy. So then
Speaker 3: she turned to me and said, Joe, what you want
Speaker 3: to do? He said, I want to go back and coach.
Speaker 3: The next day he called in and gets what everything
Speaker 3: is history.
Speaker 4: And Joe and Joe's son wanted to get in the football.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is all This is all true, ish, because
Speaker 6: we interviewed We interviewed Joe Gibbs and and this is
Speaker 6: true ish, Right, he had already what Fred did was
Speaker 6: started the conversation between him and his wife. Yes, the
Speaker 6: decision to coach again was already there. No, he wanted,
Speaker 6: but he didn't know how to bring it up to
Speaker 6: his wife. And then they saw Fred say this on TV.
Speaker 6: This mentioned it to his wife. But it wasn't like
Speaker 6: Fred started this. It You helped their relationship.
Speaker 3: Like know what I did was you gotta realize, Spur
Speaker 3: you was our coach, all right, We had a coach.
Speaker 3: Our coach retires one day after the season is over
Speaker 3: with He's through, all right, I'm put.
Speaker 5: Right there on the spot, Mike, in my face, who
Speaker 5: you want?
Speaker 3: Joe ain't told me he been talking about this because
Speaker 3: he show ain't talked to it about with miss gil
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 5: What you're gonna talk to it about?
Speaker 2: You just said some stuff.
Speaker 3: I freed the story up, they said, you know. Two
Speaker 3: days later, Coach Gilb is here. Indeed, he Hey, I
Speaker 3: want to talk to him. Guess what here I go
Speaker 3: on the phone.
Speaker 5: What up, coach? He gonna coach it. Yeah, I'm back
Speaker 5: in the building. Can't wait to meet you in person.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: I'd be back from Missippi and today that come here,
Speaker 3: met to Joseph and we've been tight ever since.
Speaker 5: So I was held right there an that hell TiAl.
Speaker 2: So that's last week's episode. This week's episode is the
Speaker 2: art of Special Teams. And basically that's how George Allen
Speaker 2: put the special in special teams.
Speaker 6: All right, that's that's what it's all about, making special
Speaker 6: teams something that other teams had to account for. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: Tanner makes a little appearance, and that's we interviewed Tanner.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I chime in a little bit.
Speaker 2: Anything good, any any good nuggets that should look out for.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, not necessarily. I just talked about you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta think I was drafted because I
Speaker 4: was a great punt you know what I mean, a
Speaker 4: first round Have you ever thought of that? You wrap
Speaker 4: your head around that, Well, they knew you, but they
Speaker 4: didn't want me to be in four years of playing
Speaker 4: great receive, being a great receiver, they were still was
Speaker 4: mad at me because they wanted me to be more
Speaker 4: of a part returner. So that just that just strange
Speaker 4: to me. But that's how you know I came here
Speaker 4: because you know, this team really needed a wide out
Speaker 4: and so another team didn't want me to be fully
Speaker 4: a wide out.
Speaker 2: So I'm not one hundred percent. Like in terms of timeline,
Speaker 2: is that like B Mitch's era of stuff.
Speaker 3: Just before her two years that guy we got here,
Speaker 3: he was at one of the death and then his
Speaker 3: last year was at the Giants with the Giant O two.
Speaker 3: So I got to play two years against B Mitch
Speaker 3: and list he's a hit bull off the hit bull
Speaker 3: on the field, and he was by the time I
Speaker 3: was there, he had really made special teams like you
Speaker 3: gotta watch out for us, like we ain't just a
Speaker 3: dude that is third on the depth chart, Like we
Speaker 3: can break games open.
Speaker 5: So we we made plans to stop be Mitch when
Speaker 5: we played there.
Speaker 2: You played against mit I just told you that's crazy.
Speaker 5: One played against Man, that's wild.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: In that green net Philly uniform and big old shower pass.
Speaker 4: And then the next year he's with the Giants and
Speaker 4: it was crazy because you know, now we talk about
Speaker 4: that stuff and I'm like, that's crazy. How you just
Speaker 4: did them a little two little stints and came back
Speaker 4: in So love here.
Speaker 2: Ye absolutely, And this is.
Speaker 6: In the seventies when Georgia Allen but b Mitch is
Speaker 6: interviewed in this because the ripple effect of it works,
Speaker 6: what happened comes to be Mitch's favorite and he talks
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, So that those are awesome podcasts again,
Speaker 2: Commanders fans, make sure you check it out. Those are great.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I can't wait to listen every week. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting with baited breath to check them out. All right.
Speaker 2: So the next thing is training camp. Right, we don't
Speaker 2: have the dates yet, but you can go to the
Speaker 2: website Commanders dot com reserve tickets. It's free. Come on
Speaker 2: out watch practice. We Santana, Fred, myself, Jesse, Guy, Jason
Speaker 2: will be out there. London will be out there watching
Speaker 2: training camp. Come by the show. We have free merch
Speaker 2: get that Hawk outside shirt, some other shirts we can
Speaker 2: give out for free. We'll sign that stuff. Make sure
Speaker 2: you come out and see where the team's at and
Speaker 2: see what all the excitements about really is what we're
Speaker 2: trying to do.
Speaker 5: If you're not excited about this, you need.
Speaker 3: To check your posts, check your po If you're a
Speaker 3: fan of this team and you've endured with this franchise,
Speaker 3: it's been through and you're not excited about this, but
Speaker 3: that's every year.
Speaker 4: Every year you get a new leash on to whatever
Speaker 4: you're trying to be. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: every guy come in here with a new outlook of
Speaker 4: this is what we can be. And as a fan year,
Speaker 4: every different fan base feel like they're gonna win a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Two teams now, every different fan base. So
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's gonna be a lot of excitement. I'm
Speaker 4: sure it's gonna be a lot of people out there.
Speaker 4: I just can't wait because you know, we get bombard
Speaker 4: like we're still playing.
Speaker 2: That is cool, but also you go to man, man,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit exciting.
Speaker 5: So I loved it.
Speaker 4: I don't look I don't take it for granted, for
Speaker 4: the simple fact one day you're gonna be old and
Speaker 4: gray and nobody's gonna know nothing about you. So enjoy
Speaker 4: it now. Embrace it now, because I feel that it
Speaker 4: comes to territory. If you was a guy that was
Speaker 4: worth something and you went out there and do what
Speaker 4: you had.
Speaker 5: To do, you know they'll show you appreciation through time.
Speaker 4: MO doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in kind of preparation training camp, I think
Speaker 2: we should start. We did our defensive show last week,
Speaker 2: talked about Joe Whitt Junior's defense, the evolution of Dan's defense.
Speaker 2: That was a really fun conversation, and so we figured
Speaker 2: why not do the same thing this week with the offense. Specifically,
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk high level offense. We're gonna be a
Speaker 2: really similar format high level offense Cliff Kingsbury and the
Speaker 2: Air Raid, and then we're gonna talk about how our
Speaker 2: guys could potentially fit in the system. So let's start off,
Speaker 2: and I guess Tanny you can answer this first question
Speaker 2: because you are kind of our offensive expert. Here is
Speaker 2: what makes a good offensive scheme. You've played a lot
Speaker 2: of them, played for a long time.
Speaker 4: Played in some bad ones, played in some okay ones,
Speaker 4: and I played in some good ones.
Speaker 2: So what's a good one?
Speaker 4: Think a good offense? Taylor's their style to play around
Speaker 4: their skills, love that around their playmakers. They're guys. Let
Speaker 4: me give you an example. Twenty ten, Shany come here,
Speaker 4: love this story, by the way, and he comes in
Speaker 4: and we have Donovan mcnow and we knew that the
Speaker 4: style of play from where they ran this in Denver.
Speaker 4: You know where they ran this over in Philly, you
Speaker 4: know with the Texans. You know, that same offense was
Speaker 4: the offense. Now we're going to be running, and the
Speaker 4: run scheme is dynamic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: The passing game is dynamic also, but you have to
Speaker 4: understand it and be able to be fishing enough to
Speaker 4: be productive in it. And that season was okay, twenty
Speaker 4: ten wasn't a bad year. And then we go to
Speaker 4: twenty eleven. We fell off like a bad bag of
Speaker 4: you know what. And then all our twenty twelve comes
Speaker 4: and here go, I'm rolling in RG three and everything
Speaker 4: we did with that offense in twenty ten and twenty
Speaker 4: eleven was basically thrown out the window. We still had
Speaker 4: the same you know scheme when it came to you know,
Speaker 4: sun sets and all that stuff. But we changed the
Speaker 4: offense to fit who we had at the quarterback position.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that made those that coaching staff
Speaker 4: because we already thought highly of that offense. If you
Speaker 4: watch Koviak when he ran it, When you watch how
Speaker 4: kyleedom did in the Texans, you know, when he was
Speaker 4: in Houston, and you watch how they did in Denver
Speaker 4: winning super Bowls and going to Super Bowls with that offense.
Speaker 4: We knew the offense can be dynamic, but to change
Speaker 4: it up and make it suitable for your running style quarterback,
Speaker 4: I thought it was brilliant. So to me, I think
Speaker 4: when you talk about good offenses, man, you talk about
Speaker 4: that coaching staff or that offensive coordinator that mind to
Speaker 4: be able to say, this is what I have talent wise,
Speaker 4: and I need to make it efficient enough that these
Speaker 4: guys can be affected.
Speaker 2: How about you, Fred, When you're playing against an offense,
Speaker 2: you're like, man, this offense is good because of.
Speaker 5: What it's unique.
Speaker 3: I would say unique, because usually offensives, especially NFL, they
Speaker 3: kind of all look the same until you find these
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens. Because of Lamar Jackson. They don't run you
Speaker 3: like so when we had to practice for them the
Speaker 3: week of it's like no other We're getting out of
Speaker 3: our own disciplines. We're finna have to be attacked a
Speaker 3: different way than everybody else's attacking us, and we're finna
Speaker 3: have to play a ball game not used to how
Speaker 3: we're used to playing it. So I think when a
Speaker 3: team is unique, you got first of all, you got
Speaker 3: to have a unique talent, let's be honest. But when
Speaker 3: you have a unique offense a Cam new Nick Carolina,
Speaker 3: I can only it's hard to figure how to play
Speaker 3: them out. And then all of a sudden next week
Speaker 3: we go back to our We're from the player like
Speaker 3: we've been playing everybody else. So I think once you
Speaker 3: get a unique offense, with a unique player, with a
Speaker 3: unique caller, somebody that doesn't call by disciplines, I have
Speaker 3: some guy that they wouldn't dare run certain reverse on
Speaker 3: thirty five and to redid it all the time. So
Speaker 3: because Andy said, I'm not going by you'll disciplines, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna think outside the box. It makes it unique and
Speaker 3: almost unstoppable. Because deep football is a job of discipline guessing.
Speaker 3: Now we're guessing it. Guess what you guess long you
Speaker 3: gets wrong, you're gonna get beat in this league. So
Speaker 3: I would say one thing is unique talent and unique caller.
Speaker 3: I think give you a unique chance and a unique
Speaker 3: offense to be different. You know, I think differently sometimes
Speaker 3: if you make us, we're going lit harder than another
Speaker 3: team to study you and prepare for you. You've got
Speaker 3: us on our heels a Libya before the gaming start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with that on hundred percent. I think it
Speaker 2: just he even distilled down more. I think Tanne, you
Speaker 2: know you want to maximize your offensive personnel. Fredd, you
Speaker 2: want to be unique. I think the core tenant of
Speaker 2: good offenses. You want to stress defenses, stress their rules,
Speaker 2: just put them into situations where they're in conflict. I
Speaker 2: think when you look at even like high school offenses,
Speaker 2: like the triple option, for example, it stresses rules like
Speaker 2: you got to take the dive, I pull it if
Speaker 2: you don't, If you take the quarterback, I'm going to
Speaker 2: pitch it and route the gay for Rady eight. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's just I've stressed your defensive
Speaker 2: rules with the triple option, with the single wing, with
Speaker 2: the bone, with the spread, with the air raid wing
Speaker 2: team whatever. Yeah, and it's just about finding ways to stress.
Speaker 2: And then to your point, Tanna like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to run the triple option if I've got Drew Brees,
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning or right, I want to find something that
Speaker 2: fits my offensive personnel. But my base point is to
Speaker 2: stress you. Defensive show, we talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: how like there's coverages, right, you got cover four. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna line up in two by two. If you're
Speaker 2: playing a lot of quarters, I'm gonna getting overloads. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in three by one. I'm gonn getting
Speaker 2: four by one.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get bunchies. I want bunches.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, figure this out, communicate this. We're gonna
Speaker 2: find your stress.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing with Kyle Shanahan and Mike
Speaker 2: Shanahan really before him in Denver when they're running all
Speaker 2: this outside zone and then they run the boots off
Speaker 2: of it, right, because the way to stop outside zone
Speaker 2: was have the backside defensive end tackle the running back,
Speaker 2: and Mike was like, well, let's just have the quarterback
Speaker 2: keep it and throw it.
Speaker 5: Take the snake plumb.
Speaker 2: And they couldn't deal with it. So again, there's different
Speaker 2: ways of skinning a cat, so to speak. But ultimately
Speaker 2: we're just trying to stress you, you know, and Tanny,
Speaker 2: you've already alluded to kind of this second question, which
Speaker 2: I think is really good. Is offense, much like defense,
Speaker 2: comes alive when you got the playmakers, but unlike defense,
Speaker 2: I think it can be tailored to your offensive personnel. Right.
Speaker 2: I love the story used to tell where the guy
Speaker 2: was just basically copying the offensive stuff from the week
Speaker 2: before because he knew you could run it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, I got here No. Five and
Speaker 4: I told you, you know, that's what's when I got
Speaker 4: a chance to play with coach Gibbs. And after the
Speaker 4: first game, he sat there and said, man, we're not
Speaker 4: really being that efficient in the passing game. He's like,
Speaker 4: you know, but the run game was solid. You know,
Speaker 4: Porters was hitting on all cylinders and we could run
Speaker 4: the ball with the best of them. But passing, he
Speaker 4: just wasn't happy. And it was only one game. And
Speaker 4: then you got to think when we played that next
Speaker 4: week in Dallas, we didn't do nothing that whole first
Speaker 4: three four quarters until the last two minutes when I banged, banging,
Speaker 4: you know, and won the game. So I believe that
Speaker 4: when they saw that the plays that I actually told
Speaker 4: him about that week was successful enough for us to
Speaker 4: win that game. The third game, we was getting ready
Speaker 4: before we even got to the to the whole game plan.
Speaker 4: Coach Broke said, Hey, can you come in here six
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning. I want to run some stuff
Speaker 4: by you. Coach Gibbs went on here and say, you
Speaker 4: know what in on it for me to be good,
Speaker 4: I have to adapt to what's what's being productive today.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I can't sit here and try to force feed you
Speaker 4: guys with what I did in my SUPERPII. Our running
Speaker 4: game is still being able to you know, hold up,
Speaker 4: but this passing game, you guys are different on the
Speaker 4: outside now. And then the quarterback wise no longer Ramsey,
Speaker 4: So now we have Mark Brunell. He's a different style
Speaker 4: of quarter He's a left handed guy. So I have
Speaker 4: to change things how I want to do it. So
Speaker 4: you know what I'm finna do. I'm finna do with
Speaker 4: most of these guys. It's a copycat lead. If these
Speaker 4: guys couldn't stop something last week, we're gonna run it
Speaker 4: this week. And they basically went out there and gave me.
Speaker 4: I mean, we would literally watch the film. They'll watch
Speaker 4: the film before we come in and watch it and
Speaker 4: just pencil down everything that was successful in the passing
Speaker 4: game and say, Tannic, can you run this? And we basically,
Speaker 4: I mean, it got to the point to where even
Speaker 4: when they didn't do that, Mark was one of those
Speaker 4: kind of guys. He's a throwback quarterback. Markin said run.
Speaker 4: Mark will put his hand in the dirt and say, hey,
Speaker 4: run this backside, Yeah, run this backside.
Speaker 5: Really like, he was that type of I love practice
Speaker 5: to get Mark.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. He was like, hey, tennem,
Speaker 4: you know that post, you got stop. Sit down on
Speaker 4: that post. Don't even go in a wiggle, just sit down.
Speaker 4: He's gonna throw you the ball. So when our quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: when our staff knew that we had that type of offense,
Speaker 4: when it came to skill guys skill set that they
Speaker 4: can bake and just say do something and these guys
Speaker 4: are gonna do it. They said, they scrapped everything that
Speaker 4: they had scheme wise when it came to our passing
Speaker 4: game and just ran what was effective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look at you know offense, and I
Speaker 2: say like when you're trying to design offensive plays talk
Speaker 2: with Kyle Sean and you know, designing plays at the
Speaker 2: high school, you want to give quarterbacks answers, so like,
Speaker 2: you know, like with defenses, you're like, I want to
Speaker 2: make sure that I can cover too. If you run
Speaker 2: an out and a go, right, I got you, they
Speaker 2: say it, I got you, Yeah, yeah right, it's it's fine, right,
Speaker 2: there's no answer there. But if I run the out
Speaker 2: converts to a stop and the go throttles in the
Speaker 2: honey hole, all of a sudden, we're balling and it's
Speaker 2: the same call. And so I think it's about, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of your point. Like offenses, much like defenses come
Speaker 2: to life when the ball players are good. You know,
Speaker 2: like Fred, you've had tough matchups, right, and it's just
Speaker 2: like what do I do?
Speaker 5: You know, like, what is my courtinate going to do
Speaker 5: to help me in this matchup?
Speaker 3: Like physically, I feel like the matchup is there, but
Speaker 3: if the offensive player coach is giving him a level
Speaker 3: above me with their pen now feeling defeated, not because
Speaker 3: he's better, because my guy couldn't come up with something
Speaker 3: to stop how they was attacking us.
Speaker 2: Right, And so I look at that, and I say, like,
Speaker 2: as an offensive guy, like obviously you want to exploit matchups,
Speaker 2: but also you want the all five eligible, especially in
Speaker 2: the past game, to see the coverage the same. Because
Speaker 2: Mark Brunell is telling Tanner to run that post stop
Speaker 2: because they're probably in some type of cover three and
Speaker 2: that's where the whole us.
Speaker 3: And they also saying he is number one. So when
Speaker 3: we alert stuff, we alert him out the huddle. Once
Speaker 3: we alert him at the huddle, whose side is he on?
Speaker 3: Is he on minor blues? Once we know he on blues,
Speaker 3: you will see learn Landry and Sean switch all right.
Speaker 3: He was gonna switch because he's the threat, he's not
Speaker 3: the threat. And it's a respect level there. Hey man,
Speaker 3: we got two of the hottest guys over here.
Speaker 5: You handled their body back in the back. So it's
Speaker 5: the relationship.
Speaker 3: I think offense have a relationship too, because I've seen
Speaker 3: receivers come out there not say a word to the quarterback,
Speaker 3: just look just a little bit.
Speaker 5: And changed the whole route.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think that's what again, like if on
Speaker 2: the offense, you have to see it the same, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, You have to see it the same.
Speaker 2: You have to see the coverages the same and it's
Speaker 2: much more. I think defense is extremely cohesive. But like
Speaker 2: if you see if intend like, it's been fun watching
Speaker 2: you run choices and stuff over the course of your
Speaker 2: career because it's like, if you see the coverage correctly
Speaker 2: and you see it the same way as the quarterback,
Speaker 2: the defense can't stop you.
Speaker 4: Prime example, that a good time. Jason Kelsey, Kelsey and
Speaker 4: your boy they see it like the same. Like Kelsey
Speaker 4: has a quarterback mentality when he run his routes, he
Speaker 4: knowing what the quarterback see with his back to He
Speaker 4: played quarterback in college. Bingo. Jordan Reed too, so Jordan
Speaker 4: Reed was like that. And another guy justin Jefferson and
Speaker 4: your boy Logan I mean Savante Adams. Although they see
Speaker 4: coverages like that, you know, the quarterback they can see
Speaker 4: it and while they enter the route running the route,
Speaker 4: they feel and see it the way the quarterbacks see
Speaker 4: it in the pocket. See what I'm saying. And everyone
Speaker 4: don't have their gifts, you know what I mean. Everyone
Speaker 4: will have their gift. Now I will say I have
Speaker 4: the feel of knowing that Okay, this is zone, so
Speaker 4: I need to sit here, you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: or this is man, I need to keep running. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying. You get the feel. All us
Speaker 4: have that feel. But these guys some are reasons they
Speaker 4: see it the same way, because it's almost like effortlessly
Speaker 4: the quarterback and them on the same page.
Speaker 3: They themself, if I was throwing this thing right now,
Speaker 3: what would I want my person to do?
Speaker 5: I think that's what they accident.
Speaker 4: They did a repetition to the years of just saying, hey, Luke.
Speaker 3: McCaffrey play quarterbacks. So that's why he probably got that
Speaker 3: touch already to ooh, this is a zone I'm not
Speaker 3: finna go run to. I'm finna curl up right now.
Speaker 3: I think it's like I said, if that timing is
Speaker 3: to the t, we will have problems, but we can
Speaker 3: find ways to kind.
Speaker 5: Of moved it.
Speaker 3: But once two guys got a connection, and they don't
Speaker 3: run stuff by the rule no more. This slam route
Speaker 3: supposed to be broken at sam Yaard's too tight.
Speaker 5: I'm running them at five.
Speaker 4: You see Kelsey all the time, run his route and
Speaker 4: then just leak out.
Speaker 5: We got going, all right. I'm not going to just
Speaker 5: know like.
Speaker 4: Here, I don't I don't got them all to come
Speaker 4: here because I sat down. Now, I'm not going there,
Speaker 4: but I'm not giving them a knowing Pattistan on a run,
Speaker 4: he gonna hit him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a that's also an interesting point.
Speaker 2: It's like, even though a route's drawing a certain way
Speaker 2: on paper, you got to run it to make it
Speaker 2: come to life. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: let's say I'm the backside dig and it's cover three
Speaker 2: and I've got a little five yard underneath me, right,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna space it. I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 2: want to run a straight stem dig because I'm never
Speaker 2: gonna show up in that guard tackle bubble. I need
Speaker 2: to inside stem, push vertical and then get in. But
Speaker 2: that comes from instinct and feel and like again, that's
Speaker 2: where it's like, if your high school kid watching this,
Speaker 2: you got to understand like the levels of the timing,
Speaker 2: because you can do what you want as long as
Speaker 2: you get to your spot. Like listen, I went down
Speaker 2: to tight end, I went to I went to tight
Speaker 2: end you and I heard Travis Kelsey talked about this.
Speaker 2: He's like, as long as you get to where you're
Speaker 2: supposed to be to distribute the field and distribute the
Speaker 2: concept because ultimately we're trying to stress defenses. Right, So
Speaker 2: if there's two guys in one spot, we're not stretching,
Speaker 2: don't take conventional road. Yeah, but if I can get
Speaker 2: there and I'm stressing a high low on the corner
Speaker 2: or a highlow on the backer, like it's a win. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I get and I get productive. So that's again
Speaker 2: like we're really good offenses. Like it's the paper, it's
Speaker 2: the scheme on paper, but it's the players, the Jimmy's
Speaker 2: and Joe's and how they see it and feel it
Speaker 2: and make them really Chad.
Speaker 5: Johnson and speak.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I have chased Chad justin be like,
Speaker 3: go back to the how to Dude, you know that
Speaker 3: ain't no route.
Speaker 5: Like, dude, you know that ain't no route?
Speaker 4: Right, make up some get this, but.
Speaker 5: I got to my spot.
Speaker 2: Is how you need to worry about in the timing
Speaker 2: of the play too.
Speaker 3: And guess what costs a Palmer new Cha gonna take
Speaker 3: He might take a back row, but he gonna get
Speaker 3: exactly to the house he's supposed.
Speaker 5: To get to.
Speaker 4: A prime example, I got shoot out in a practice
Speaker 4: and it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Big ups to a guy Wayinger Bet for letting me
Speaker 4: know that Tanner, you're not wrong. And I knew I
Speaker 4: wasn't wrong for the sake fath, I was just young.
Speaker 4: And I love telling this story because you know, I
Speaker 4: learned this in college. That's why I was able to
Speaker 4: do this. My receiver coach, Curtis Johnson, man, he's one
Speaker 4: of the best. He also coached in New Orleans when
Speaker 4: they won Super Bowl or he was the wide receiver
Speaker 4: coach there, turned that receiver group around, and now he's
Speaker 4: the head coach in Houston with the UFL. But he
Speaker 4: told me, Tanna, you're different from everybody else. You can
Speaker 4: do all this stuff at the line of scrimmage because
Speaker 4: you fast. So when you run your route, I don't
Speaker 4: mind you putting a little twist to it because as
Speaker 4: long as you get you can make up that speed.
Speaker 4: You can make up that time and with your speed,
Speaker 4: so I'm in practice. Paul Hackett. I never forget this,
Speaker 4: and it's probably one of the reason why I always
Speaker 4: looked at Paul Hackett differently, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I respect him, but I never understood him after this,
Speaker 4: because no coach should have that kind of say or
Speaker 4: input off or try to have that kind of input
Speaker 4: when the receiver is doing his job. Any player that's
Speaker 4: doing his job, you should never look at him and say,
Speaker 4: I don't want you doing this, because that's not how
Speaker 4: I coach it. No, if he making a play, you
Speaker 4: should want him to make it a play every time.
Speaker 4: Long story. Sure, I'm running the dig rope. Back in
Speaker 4: the day we had that not that incut dig route,
Speaker 4: that one toteen the sixteen yards, sit down, dig and
Speaker 4: you know on paper they got this thing drawn up.
Speaker 4: You're gonna run fourteen to fifteen yards, make your and
Speaker 4: come back to the ball. Now, if a guy sitting
Speaker 4: back there in cover three, what you're gonna do. You're
Speaker 4: gonna get him off his spot right as a corner.
Speaker 4: I can't just run that route in front of you.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be over with my back and I have
Speaker 4: no chance, especially if I know that I'm the guy
Speaker 4: that they trying to get the ball to. I need
Speaker 4: to get some separation. So what I did put a
Speaker 4: little twist to it. I run twelve yards. I put
Speaker 4: my foot in the inside of the corner. Knowing how
Speaker 4: he was sitting at like I was running a go
Speaker 4: route and turn his hips when he turned at fifteen,
Speaker 4: I sat down, came back, beautiful route easy. Everybody was
Speaker 4: in practice. Who Paul Hackett throws his clipboard over there
Speaker 4: at me, don't run, and I.
Speaker 5: Don't coach that.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there like, did I do wrong?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: He had me please, but that's what I That's how
Speaker 5: I felt.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there like what did I do?
Speaker 5: And so he chewed me out.
Speaker 4: And I'm a young guy. I'm probably my second year
Speaker 4: in the league. And Wayne Gerbat said, look here, that
Speaker 4: was a beautiful route. I can't do it. Coach said,
Speaker 4: I say, I can't do it either. He said, do
Speaker 4: it again, Tanner. That's how you run your route. And
Speaker 4: that's what he gonna do. Fast forward the same week,
Speaker 4: play the Miami Dolphins, Pat thirteen. I got the clip
Speaker 4: I got that it might be somewhere on my phone.
Speaker 4: He sit identical in between fifteen and sixteen yards. Wasn't
Speaker 4: gonna move because he knew he had trusting those guys.
Speaker 4: Getting a feel. I did the same thing, turned his hips,
Speaker 4: came back, caught the ball, went eighty. He said, I
Speaker 4: can't coach, She's a kid, and I was shocked because
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I made the play.
Speaker 5: It's coaches like we all have cut and not to
Speaker 5: just you.
Speaker 4: Know, hey, maybe you coach are the guys that listen
Speaker 4: to you. I'm not trying to be all disopen. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to do what's going to make me get separation.
Speaker 4: And how I was taught to run route.
Speaker 2: You know it's wild, though, is that's how everyone runs
Speaker 2: around now, every single person. You want to burst the
Speaker 2: blinds first.
Speaker 4: To the blind side and come and snap back down.
Speaker 4: And you saw me do this for years. You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I never changed. It was just
Speaker 4: a guy didn't like the way I did things.
Speaker 5: So and I always tell by coaching success what happens
Speaker 5: after that.
Speaker 4: But it bothered me to the point. It bothered me
Speaker 4: when when I when I actually left from there, I
Speaker 4: knew why I was really leaving. You can't you can't
Speaker 4: leave in the prime. I'm left. I love my prime
Speaker 4: A thousand yards one year. The next year I leave
Speaker 4: the team with eight hundred something yards because and y'all
Speaker 4: not trying to get me the ball and have the
Speaker 4: most touchdowns. And ran a punt back in that same
Speaker 4: playoff and then I'm gone and I'm saying to myself, see,
Speaker 4: and I had a little birdie that that was on
Speaker 4: the other side of our defense that told me say, man,
Speaker 4: but he just don't like you. And I say, fine,
Speaker 4: that's because I'm gonna go where I'm loved that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying now, it's serious because I
Speaker 3: had coaches trying to change my game, like I've I
Speaker 3: had that before, and I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, I'm like this.
Speaker 4: So, just getting back to what we was talking about,
Speaker 4: just the offensive, I think that what makes these offenses,
Speaker 4: especially when they're able to mold and say let's do
Speaker 4: what this guy, especially at you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: let's go, let's let's let's work and say, okay, let's
Speaker 4: use that because he has a skill set that can be.
Speaker 3: Effective enough to make with other stuff that he ain't good.
Speaker 3: That's what I've always battled with when it comes to goads.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a perfect segue, honestly, Tanna into
Speaker 2: the air raid. It's one of the things about the
Speaker 2: air raid. Let's just talk about it real quick. So
Speaker 2: that came around, you know, Basically, they said, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get more speed on the field. We're gonna horizontally distribute
Speaker 2: the field based on formation right at the gate right
Speaker 2: instead of being in this tight formation with the tight
Speaker 2: ends and the fullbacks run to get receivers out there,
Speaker 2: move them out.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have more speed period and have.
Speaker 2: Bad coverage players cover good route runners, yes, and force
Speaker 2: them to change their personnel. We're going to operate with
Speaker 2: up tempo to make them to regulate the defense from
Speaker 2: a coverage standpoint, from a front standpoint. So they run
Speaker 2: the same thing. But the thing that I think people
Speaker 2: sleep on when it comes to the air raid, it's
Speaker 2: like they run mesh. So basically the way they run meshes,
Speaker 2: imagine two by two. They cross the inside guys, the
Speaker 2: two outside guys run big outs okay pre snap. Basically
Speaker 2: they allow a lot of flexibility on that big out
Speaker 2: stem and if the guys inside leverage, I'm throwing the
Speaker 2: big out pre snap on the quarterback right boom right
Speaker 2: there at the jump. Let's say I'm running the mesh
Speaker 2: and they're in zone, I can sit down. That's how
Speaker 2: we run mesh with Kyle everybody. But let's say the
Speaker 2: guy matches aggressively cuts the mesh. I can take it
Speaker 2: over top of that one yea. And those are all
Speaker 2: the same play, running the same call effectively, And it's
Speaker 2: just they can adjust within the play because they only
Speaker 2: have like ten plays in the offense.
Speaker 5: But morphs it it's like a tree.
Speaker 4: It's similar to what it's similar to what RG Threedom
Speaker 4: ran in Baylor because if you watch it was basically
Speaker 4: they was running a go route or sit down or
Speaker 4: come back that.
Speaker 2: So again this is like sorry, Nerdy, Nerdy's talking going
Speaker 2: So that's the deep option route that they're not running
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. Yeah, So there's not really that element. It's
Speaker 2: the it's the flexibility you're talking about within the route,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like it's it's it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm running a comeback, yeah, but I can get there
Speaker 2: how I want to.
Speaker 5: Tennessee is so predeterminate simple.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. It's it's a different offensive tree.
Speaker 2: And the air rate is like, hey, we got ten plays,
Speaker 2: but we've got hey, but if they run it, if
Speaker 2: they run two man, we're gonna run our mesh like this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: We're gonna run out like this. You know what I'm saying. Oh,
Speaker 2: if it's cover two and are running four verts like,
Speaker 2: that's where you get the benders and the vertical and
Speaker 2: how that self attack to. So I think when people
Speaker 2: hear air raid, they think, oh my gosh, it's so simple.
Speaker 2: It is simple, but there's a lot of complexity in
Speaker 2: each play and the other thing I want to point out,
Speaker 2: just to make it perfect with here, every team in
Speaker 2: the NFL runs air raid concepts.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm about to say everything anything three four wide receivers
Speaker 3: plus uh, let me take this tight end out just
Speaker 3: running back out of substitute speed is everybody got an
Speaker 3: air raid package.
Speaker 5: Let's just be honest from the.
Speaker 4: Time all go and comebacks our first First, I.
Speaker 5: Think air raid is anything with speed and tempo. When
Speaker 5: I say speed, I mean speed in uh the Jimmy
Speaker 5: and Joe's offenses area.
Speaker 3: Think about the running shoe the Houston at that was
Speaker 3: air raid any Finally, think about Pete tom Brady.
Speaker 2: All right, have you read that article about him? So
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to cut you out. They had Wes Welker there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they said they took I think it was every single
Speaker 2: play from the from the air raid because they had
Speaker 2: Wes Welker and then we could run them all and
Speaker 2: we're just like, this is our hurry up offense.
Speaker 5: I played against him, Listen, I played against how like dude?
Speaker 5: I have played Guess this office before three years ago,
Speaker 5: years ago. They're going to get the ball moving here.
Speaker 3: But they I like they touched what they did on
Speaker 3: the air rate because they said, you know what, talk
Speaker 3: about New England because they said, you know what we're
Speaker 3: gonna do, speed and power. That's when they started with
Speaker 3: the double tight. And when they did with the double tight,
Speaker 3: we can miss with we can miss up with everything else.
Speaker 5: But we didn't have that safety lineback of hybrid that
Speaker 5: we needed for grunk. We ain't had it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, what's what's the core tenet of offense?
Speaker 2: Like we just talked about, it's to find mismatches and
Speaker 2: stress the defense. So all they did is they said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: like everyone's running like triple option power. This is when
Speaker 2: michae Leach and what's the other guy's name? How mummy
Speaker 2: was Kentucky And they were like, shoot, man, we can't
Speaker 2: find all these big tight ends in full back.
Speaker 5: We can't find his running back seed they're not coming
Speaker 5: to context.
Speaker 2: So shoot, let's just find another receiver, yeah, and put
Speaker 2: him out there, find a quarterback and make it easy priests,
Speaker 2: because that's the other thing. When you dispersed the field
Speaker 2: and you can talk about this from yeah, you can't
Speaker 2: disguise coverages the same way.
Speaker 3: No, we can't rock and roll. The safeties can't move.
Speaker 3: The offense paralyzes us. You got to get to your point,
Speaker 3: You got to get to your mesh point. And now
Speaker 3: the only thing you could do is what we did
Speaker 3: when I was at Missisp Mistake. It was all blitzing team,
Speaker 3: so we weren't trying to hide anything, Like you knew
Speaker 3: what a hot.
Speaker 5: Read and you knew where everything was going. But what
Speaker 5: makes it hard, I think to me is the tempo.
Speaker 3: Even if you stop and play, they right back up,
Speaker 3: like right back, right back, like they're gonna get you eventually.
Speaker 4: That that what made their run game for the air
Speaker 4: RAI so efficient, because now you got these spread out
Speaker 4: offense that now they got everybody up in space and back.
Speaker 4: Then I'm not sure if they do that, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure they don't do it now. They had a lot
Speaker 4: they had wider spirits at the line of scrimmage. Crazy
Speaker 4: crazy now that can't get it. They can't get off,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So now you you're basically
Speaker 4: taking gaps or you're getting you're getting gas gas, trying
Speaker 4: to find a word. You're getting gashed. Man five and
Speaker 4: six yards of run and you out there, you out
Speaker 4: there leaking because you're tied, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: running up and down, can't can't get a break, can't
Speaker 4: get in the huddle.
Speaker 2: And it's so easy again with those wide splits and
Speaker 2: the splits for the offensive line and the receivers to
Speaker 2: look at and be, like we talked about on the
Speaker 2: Defensive Show, how you want to make sure you're even
Speaker 2: in the run fit. You know what I'm saying. If
Speaker 2: I'm spread out and I got a back in the backfield,
Speaker 2: I got five gaps defensive, I got to negotiating. But
Speaker 2: I have the running back who's his own gap, Because
Speaker 2: you want you want to be plus ones, you need
Speaker 2: six guys in the box. But if I got all
Speaker 2: this speed as the hooked player, I got.
Speaker 5: To push to the speed I'm worried about him before
Speaker 5: I'm worried too.
Speaker 2: And so if I'm the quarterback, I just look got
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, there's five dudes in the box,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hand the ball of running back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we have hats. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then this guy, this guy is wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm on the backside of if they line back and
Speaker 4: go the wrong way, if they safety don't come down.
Speaker 3: And this is why I think would always made it
Speaker 3: a step ahead of people. But I like, I like
Speaker 3: how people have morphed it, like and when when I
Speaker 3: when I hear it, now, the first thing don't come
Speaker 3: to my mind is just throw it out around your
Speaker 3: It's a mixture.
Speaker 5: It's truly a mixture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when you look at kids did a
Speaker 2: great job with it too.
Speaker 4: Who Cliff he was in Arizona, Arizona.
Speaker 2: Well, I think let's sell real quick. But like, I
Speaker 2: think a team that Fred's talking about that did a
Speaker 2: great job of morphing it its Kansas City, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: Mmen Patrick. So they went from a team that was
Speaker 2: a twenty one twenty two twelve personnel West Coast, get
Speaker 2: the ball out and then all of a sudden, now
Speaker 2: you look at it and it's a air raid through
Speaker 2: the teeth, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And that's why he looking for specialist.
Speaker 3: He looked for nobody else can make Hartman work in
Speaker 3: the league besides enduring, because you know what, I need
Speaker 3: you for certain purposes.
Speaker 5: We're gonna run you. I run threat. As much as
Speaker 5: you are a vertical of wide receiver, you I a
Speaker 5: run threat, all right.
Speaker 3: So I think this is what makes especially without So
Speaker 3: he got special player Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Jason, is there any questions you got about the air
Speaker 2: raid real quick before we get going anything. You're like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I don't understand X y Z, but it's a tempo,
Speaker 2: it's a space anything else from missing there?
Speaker 6: Why is it more effective in college than the NFL?
Speaker 5: I hear that a lot that like you can.
Speaker 3: Run it in college dbs, but you can't do it
Speaker 3: in the NFL the same way the DB's.
Speaker 2: And mean in the league you said it too, like
Speaker 2: think about it. In the league, we can say, oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: we need we need five pro pro level dbs. Yeah
Speaker 2: we got them, got them in college if you can
Speaker 2: match with your five pro one of.
Speaker 4: Two special guys. And so it's gonna be got a
Speaker 4: bunch of third and fourth damn dbs on the field,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna keep We're gonna kill them, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna make sure Mama.
Speaker 2: Does have to face also, So it's that I think
Speaker 2: the pass rush is better, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And the quarterbacking has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 3: In college is like all our quarterbacks are okay, Like
Speaker 3: every every once in a while we'll run across a
Speaker 3: great quarterback. So I think it's so college is so
Speaker 3: scheme dependent. I think pro is a lot player depending.
Speaker 2: I think two things. One, I think the hashes in
Speaker 2: college football, the wider hashes, it makes the space so
Speaker 2: much more extreme, but the ridiculous so you can't hide
Speaker 2: coverages the same way. You can't hide blitzers the same way.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, I can't do a ConA. Believe
Speaker 2: there's two dudes over here. There's two guys over there
Speaker 2: that playing man coverage on me. That the sucker that
Speaker 2: guy's blitzing right. But in the pros, because it's balanced up,
Speaker 2: I can hide stuff a little bit better. I got dogs.
Speaker 2: You can blitz even if you're going up tempo. Think
Speaker 2: about how smart defenses are now in the NFL. Hey, shoot,
Speaker 2: we can get to cover too, we can get to quarters.
Speaker 2: We can just call that at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: And we through a lot of people through like rushing
Speaker 5: the air raid.
Speaker 3: They rushed two yards and get your hands up now,
Speaker 3: so they are rib to knocked down, Like they say,
Speaker 3: if we play an air raid and we knocked down
Speaker 3: five bowles at the ladd of scrimmage, we've beating that team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the same way college works, Like you know,
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech was running triple option. It's like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: we got to prepare for the triple option. It's like
Speaker 2: it's same as the air raid. It prevents its own problems,
Speaker 2: and college coaches college players aren't smart enough to develop
Speaker 2: the new one, yes, But in the NFL it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that ain't nothing.
Speaker 5: I played against the Deveccotty, yes, and so I think.
Speaker 2: That's why ultimately it doesn't work. But I do think
Speaker 2: when you look at Cliff in Arizona, you look at
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and what they've done with their West style
Speaker 2: West Coast offense and kind of adding uh odding air
Speaker 2: raid elements. Is the cool thing is they've now they've
Speaker 2: merged the two offenses and it's kind of become a
Speaker 2: high red offense. Right, So all the stuff that Kyle
Speaker 2: does so well with shifts and motions and different personnels
Speaker 2: to create mismatches. Now you're seeing clift to the Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny you brought there up. Because let's
Speaker 3: talk about everybody think they air rate all looks the same.
Speaker 5: It doesn't. Nothing looks the same.
Speaker 3: Shanahan's offense in San Francisco don't look like the offense
Speaker 3: is installed in Miami, LA. But they are the basic,
Speaker 3: the same thing. Miami saying we just like a little
Speaker 3: bit more motion than y'all. We like to hit our
Speaker 3: motion running. But but but but what we It goes
Speaker 3: back to what we talked about earlier. It's about your
Speaker 3: skill set, what you have. We're gonna care to what
Speaker 3: we do best here.
Speaker 4: So like when you look at San Fran, you know
Speaker 4: you're looking at a wide receiver that's really a running back.
Speaker 4: So we're not gonna put We're gonna put the ball
Speaker 4: in his hand. Now, we don't allow him to do
Speaker 4: things befittive. We're gonna use our running backs. Miami, we
Speaker 4: got a track team on the outside, so you can
Speaker 4: just mismatch you and let these guys just stretch the field.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, so it's just bro, it's
Speaker 4: I love looking at them.
Speaker 5: Rang like why receivers, I want you to dig get out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a great point. Like they've they've brought
Speaker 2: guys and like, think about it. They So it's the
Speaker 2: same offense in La as said in San Francisco, but
Speaker 2: they don't run as much outside zone. Yeah, they run
Speaker 2: gap skin more inside right. Yeah, And then you look
Speaker 2: at Miami and it's like, man, it looks like the
Speaker 2: single wing outside zone, gaps, steam pullers, all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. So wow, But I think to your point, friend,
Speaker 2: everywhere it goes, it's kind of shift and change, like defenses,
Speaker 2: very race to kind of fix the personnel. But I
Speaker 2: think it's cool now to see the differences that that
Speaker 2: kind of prop up and say, oh, we can get
Speaker 2: into twelve personnel and run the same concept, or we
Speaker 2: can get into twelve and get to this run and
Speaker 2: still get some hurry up element, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 6: So yes, Jason, what are some of the negatives of
Speaker 6: the air raid and why do some teams not incorporate
Speaker 6: it as much in the NFL level? And I think
Speaker 6: you were talking if I can guess a little bit
Speaker 6: and maybe tell me if I'm right or wrong. You
Speaker 6: were talking about put your hands up. You're not going
Speaker 6: to ball down slowing, Like if you can slow their
Speaker 6: pace down and get a quick two and out so
Speaker 6: or three and out, then like that's exactly what you want.
Speaker 5: This area is.
Speaker 2: Remember we had a patche with Kyle, remember that, and
Speaker 2: it was like it was like we use it to
Speaker 2: get out of ruts and stuff. And I remember going
Speaker 2: in and be like, hey man, we should do it
Speaker 2: all the time. Actually, remember that we should. We should
Speaker 2: do it all the time because it's really good for
Speaker 2: us and it simplifies the defense. He goes, it's fast
Speaker 2: three out in football. Yeah, And when you say that,
Speaker 2: like you're stressing the defense like no other. Right, it's
Speaker 2: the same thing that happened with Chip Kelly. Like Chip
Speaker 2: Kelly doesn't run the air raid, he runs a spread.
Speaker 2: So the difference between spread and air raid is you're
Speaker 2: spreading out to run the ball with quarterback, zone read
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and the tempo's there, but
Speaker 2: it's it was too fast two phase and so and
Speaker 2: so then you say, oh, we're going to slow it down.
Speaker 2: But the advantage of the air raid is that it
Speaker 2: is nice, you know what I mean, Because then now
Speaker 2: the defense can change stuff, right, they can be like,
Speaker 2: oh the line of scrimmage, you guys are chilling shot.
Speaker 2: We'll get into whatever call we want.
Speaker 5: It's just like I love whooped cream, but I don't
Speaker 5: eat buckets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I use it as a topping. And I think every
Speaker 3: playbook has an air raid. Six you called third down.
Speaker 3: I think third down turns third down. Hurry up, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: jes hurry up for three minute, two minutes.
Speaker 5: Like so it's there like.
Speaker 4: Pay Man ran air raid to a stint, like like raging.
Speaker 4: Them won't even come.
Speaker 5: Off the field.
Speaker 4: They were staying right and they would run the same
Speaker 4: place depending on you know, to the coverage. And I
Speaker 4: mean it's not it wasn't air.
Speaker 2: Raid, but the principal was just like it.
Speaker 4: And I used to actually, REGI like why you used
Speaker 4: to stay out theys Like, bro, we got five plays
Speaker 4: Py gonna look at his his things and say he's
Speaker 4: gonna call a book color and we're gonna know which
Speaker 4: one we're running. So I'm like, well, damn, that's like
Speaker 4: hurry up all over again.
Speaker 5: Everybody got it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the other thing that gives you
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of play volume. You can do
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, where it's like, hey, I'm at
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. It's like I don't like that
Speaker 2: concept versus the show. Yeah, that's okay whatever.
Speaker 5: That's why Peyton would wait us out. This is what
Speaker 5: the line.
Speaker 4: Get your hard count? Yeah, oh omaha, omaha, they changing it.
Speaker 3: You won't ever go inside seven sick because you know
Speaker 3: he can time you up. After see him said we
Speaker 3: can time him up. We can time the build up
Speaker 3: so he won't hit snip right in between ten and
Speaker 3: seven sick anything else.
Speaker 2: We can time you up a bliss and then we're
Speaker 2: digressing here. But that's what made Peyton so special is
Speaker 2: that he had he had the offense at his disposal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't as it wasn't as complicated as people think.
Speaker 2: But he basically say, I have a man beater, I
Speaker 2: have his own beater, I have a screen, I have
Speaker 2: a run.
Speaker 4: Let's go use a coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing quarterback now hard to stop for a conerback,
Speaker 3: Like you gotta be just, you gotta be ready.
Speaker 2: So I think that leads us really nicely into the
Speaker 2: next section, which is what can we expect from Cliff's
Speaker 2: offense here in DC.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's going to be similar to
Speaker 4: what he did and you know in Arizona, I think
Speaker 4: one of the things that you see already before they
Speaker 4: even get out there and passes h you have two
Speaker 4: dynamic running backs maybe three, you know, and a young
Speaker 4: kid that we got in last year. So I mean,
Speaker 4: when you have that, you know, and it's been said,
Speaker 4: you know, he leaned on his run game way more
Speaker 4: than what people give him credits pecial, you know, and
Speaker 4: when you have a young quarterback, you're not trying to
Speaker 4: put so much on this plate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You want to simplify things to to a stint to
Speaker 4: where look, man, if we can take pressure off by
Speaker 4: letting these guys in the backfield eat and do what
Speaker 4: they do now, making things a little more simpler for him,
Speaker 4: because you got to think officers defense is gonna already
Speaker 4: have that in the back of his head he can
Speaker 4: take off. He has a good arm, and they got
Speaker 4: a good run game. When you have all three of
Speaker 4: those things going for you, you gotta play on your heels.
Speaker 4: You can't, honest, you almost sitting out there, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, scared to not know what's going to
Speaker 4: be expected of these guys when they line up. So
Speaker 4: to me, I'm just looking at it from from the
Speaker 4: outside right now. I haven't really just watched enough practice
Speaker 4: to see and I'm pretty sure they're not going to
Speaker 4: show us anything until it get closer to the time
Speaker 4: and we're not gonna probably be out there. But I
Speaker 4: would see him leaning on that run game a little
Speaker 4: more than what people might expect.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be good because I always look
Speaker 3: at what did you do with a player when you
Speaker 3: was just getting into this league.
Speaker 5: He had Kyler Murray, all right, I look at Jaye Dames.
Speaker 3: I think they we could say they do the same
Speaker 3: exact speed both for the fast guys.
Speaker 5: Uh, both of them can really wing it. But one
Speaker 5: happened to be six three sixty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When he called those plays for Kylub, most of those
Speaker 3: was roll louts and stuff, trying to get him clear
Speaker 3: looks even they the pocket was even how to set
Speaker 3: the pockets on all of that. He don't have to
Speaker 3: even address that with this quarterback. So he's gonna be
Speaker 3: on a more neutral u calling playing field, and he
Speaker 3: understands that.
Speaker 5: As much as we love to see Jay runn, he's
Speaker 5: a throw first quarterback.
Speaker 3: People need to understand that he's a oh everybody is checked,
Speaker 3: letting me take off a run.
Speaker 5: So I think with Cliff, he's gonna understand.
Speaker 3: Like Tanne, just especially for this young guy, I need
Speaker 3: to marry this this run game first, all right, passing game,
Speaker 3: I think, first couple of game. Look for a lot
Speaker 3: of running back screens, a lot of wide receiver screens,
Speaker 3: a lot of quick throws, a lot of throws that
Speaker 3: he got clear vision of.
Speaker 5: Where he's going. He got a guess, no guessing. I
Speaker 5: think he gonna take all the things.
Speaker 3: And we all can agree that we always thought he
Speaker 3: did a good job with Kyler coming out. I think
Speaker 3: he's gonna take all the things he felt like he
Speaker 3: failed with and make sure that he doesn't do that
Speaker 3: with this guy. And let's be honest, and let's say
Speaker 3: our guys are. I think their athletic ability is the same.
Speaker 3: But I think Jayden is a better student than Kyler.
Speaker 4: Wells often to say no, let's not say he actually failed.
Speaker 4: The quarterback himself could have had some officials, some.
Speaker 5: Some self initiative to this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. So I think you know you
Speaker 2: look at again, I think there's gonna be air raid principles.
Speaker 2: What does that mean. There's probably gonna be some tempo.
Speaker 2: We're gonna spread it out. We're gonna try and find
Speaker 2: easy pre slab books before practice, get them before for
Speaker 2: the ball snap, and get the defensive declare coverage. I
Speaker 2: think that'll be there, but that's in every offense. I
Speaker 2: think you're going to see different personnel groupings, Like even
Speaker 2: in practice, you see him out there with multiple tight
Speaker 2: ends and running man beaters or run to all again
Speaker 2: ways to dictate to the defense, because if I'm in
Speaker 2: thirteen personnel, hypothetically, you can't be out there and nickel
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna run the ball down your right. So
Speaker 2: how do I again, how do I goes back to
Speaker 2: that core tenant? Yeah, how do I mismatch? Find mismatches
Speaker 2: and stress the defense? And I think you see that.
Speaker 2: I think when you bring in a guy like Brian Johnson,
Speaker 2: who was part of, in my opinion, one of the
Speaker 2: more innovative offenses from a quarterback run game standpoint, I
Speaker 2: think it's part of it. But if you look at
Speaker 2: what made that great. They basically brought triple option to
Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, I think you're going to see a
Speaker 2: little bit of that. I think you'll see a touch
Speaker 2: of this. And basically what I'm saying is Cliff's a
Speaker 2: smart guy. Yeah, he sees where NFL offenses are going.
Speaker 2: He knows how to get that done. So you're going
Speaker 2: to see a touch of that Philly run game, a
Speaker 2: touch of the outside zone. Yeah, touch it. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: that's exactly right.
Speaker 5: Like we will have it with coach Van like we have.
Speaker 5: And I think he's good. It's saying, you know, what,
Speaker 5: what would y'all do in this situation where you just
Speaker 5: came from. So I still think he's stealing of them.
Speaker 5: Coaches ain't over his skis, like, nah, we're just gonna
Speaker 5: do it this one way. No I need I need
Speaker 5: all of these educations.
Speaker 2: We see that even at practice, just in terms of
Speaker 2: the concepts are running, those aren't the concepts are running
Speaker 2: aren't traditional air raid concepts, but they are applied to
Speaker 2: the system that makes sense. We're going to operate with
Speaker 2: the signal, we're gonna operate with tempo. So it's just
Speaker 2: fun to see a smart guy innovating football. He's got
Speaker 2: his background, his backbone right, but he's got we got
Speaker 2: multiple tight ends. We've got play action, we got motions,
Speaker 2: we got shifts, and it just it's it's blossomed out
Speaker 2: kind of what you're saying. The air raid's a piece,
Speaker 2: but there's other big building blocks that make this offense
Speaker 2: go because I need multiple ways to beat people. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. So let's get to our last segment
Speaker 2: is how do our guys fitness thing? And let's start
Speaker 2: with the quarterback Jaye and Daniels. Fred you want to
Speaker 2: start us off?
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I will.
Speaker 3: He fits well, fits well. I don't see an offense
Speaker 3: he doesn't fit well. Like his skill set says whatever
Speaker 3: you need me to do, I can do it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: The question is how fast do we refine him? Do
Speaker 3: we slow the game down for him? Do we speed
Speaker 3: the game up? Do we protect him with the run game?
Speaker 3: Do we protect them with quick passes? What are we
Speaker 3: going to expose him to? Like, it's just like a child,
Speaker 3: Whatever you expose him to, that's how they blossom to be.
Speaker 3: So the question is with Jaye names how much?
Speaker 5: How soon?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: I'm with Yeah, I'm dead on with it, and I
Speaker 4: think that's gonna be something that they probably get a
Speaker 4: get a good understanding that, you know, coming out of
Speaker 4: these practices into the training camp. They'll know how much
Speaker 4: we can give them and how much we can you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But I think it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: I think this offense is great for the you know,
Speaker 4: we actually went after a quarterback that was available for
Speaker 4: us that was that fit perfect for the offense that
Speaker 4: we had as you know, as far as our scheme
Speaker 4: and coordinator.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. And just to see his growth maturation
Speaker 2: over the first couple of weeks so's a mini camp
Speaker 2: has been really exciting. You mentioned this Fred talking about
Speaker 2: him compared to Carlin Murray to me, not even I
Speaker 2: mean's he's an animal and that's great to see. And
Speaker 2: then you've got a guy like Terry talking about and
Speaker 2: this again speaks to Cliff's flexibility, how he's gonna be
Speaker 2: used at multiple receiver spots anything. And I think again,
Speaker 2: like that just allows you another way to create mismatches. Tanner, right,
Speaker 2: what does that do for you as a receiver to
Speaker 2: be able to have multiple spots? You know, I loved
Speaker 2: it when I was able to play x Z and
Speaker 2: then play the slot. I think what it does for
Speaker 2: you is just it keeps it.
Speaker 4: It keeps the defense now not knowing if you just
Speaker 4: because yeah, I think most of them times, if you
Speaker 4: see a guy line up on the side of the
Speaker 4: tight end, he's the Z you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: he's on that, he's not then he's a strong side,
Speaker 4: but he's disease, he's off the ball. If you got
Speaker 4: a guy like myself or Terry who can now you
Speaker 4: could just move or you can bake your your your
Speaker 4: offensive of set around him. You don't even have to
Speaker 4: move and say all right, we're gonna make this strong
Speaker 4: and make it weak. Now that is that just makes
Speaker 4: it harder for them to like pinpoint him and say
Speaker 4: we're gonna cloud him or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like I remember when Shanahan them in twenty eleven said, Tanna,
Speaker 4: we don't move you to X because they get more
Speaker 4: balls in his offense. They moved me to X and
Speaker 4: they took me out of the offense. Now you got
Speaker 4: you got, you got your bar gafy old eating there
Speaker 4: like bro. They just putting the cloud on me. Coach
Speaker 4: backside I'm not doing anything. Now you have that that
Speaker 4: structure with this offense, like Terry just you know, alluded to.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily going to be an X or Z
Speaker 4: or G. I'm just gonna line up and based on
Speaker 4: where I'm on the field, I'm going to be that
Speaker 4: you know that position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's great. I also think you don't
Speaker 2: have to change the formation, be like, hey man, we
Speaker 2: want to get to the ball. Go to the f
Speaker 2: they're getting the Ball's make that happen, and.
Speaker 3: It also makes it. It tells me that they're gonna
Speaker 3: treat Terry truly like a number one. I don't feel
Speaker 3: like he's been treated like a number one, like he's
Speaker 3: never been force fed the ball, like forever force fed
Speaker 3: the ball. And I always say, and I always laugh
Speaker 3: and received because they all come out there thinking they
Speaker 3: finisa catch ten touchdowns on you in the single game,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, they don't even move you around enough,
Speaker 3: Like always tell the dude, if you keep coming to
Speaker 3: this right corner, yeah, they really trying to get you
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, I talked to my buddy who's the OC in
Speaker 2: Minnesota about Justin Jefferson. It's like It just gives you
Speaker 2: so much flexibility because he plays everything, because he got
Speaker 2: every spot. Yeah, so it's like, oh, you can play
Speaker 2: the accident, play the afric, can play the Z, you
Speaker 2: can crack, you can run, and we can get him
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 3: And what if this week he playing against a young
Speaker 3: Richard Sherman and this just ain't a good mashup for you.
Speaker 3: But Richard only plays left corn right, Like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: finna put him in the slot.
Speaker 5: I'm not finna give your bitch chance to te off
Speaker 5: your chance and t off.
Speaker 2: On my player one hundred percent. So I think that's
Speaker 2: a that's a great, great thing. And then let's talk
Speaker 2: about one more guy before he finish up, and that's
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson. Yeah. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: worried about him, you know, in the sense that like, hey,
Speaker 2: it's air r he's not getting a lot of touches.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be awesome.
Speaker 5: And Ekler.
Speaker 3: I respect Eckler, but you know, the young bull is
Speaker 3: to start a running back, one is Brian Robinson. Do
Speaker 3: you understand that? And what he did catching the ball?
Speaker 3: All right, it's hard to hit little receive, I mean
Speaker 3: little running backs. You know, jittery you spros, they're hard
Speaker 3: to stop on third down, But is he hard to
Speaker 3: stop a big bet? They can catch a big beck
Speaker 3: and ktch and break tackles, and one or two broke
Speaker 3: tackles in the NFL usually equal a touchdown and just
Speaker 3: the way it goes, and everybody cannot break tackles. I
Speaker 3: would not be shocked if this Brian Robinson's best year
Speaker 3: and everybody would say last year was I said he
Speaker 3: have a better year this year.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, man. And the other thing is,
Speaker 2: like the last day Oks, they're running like I'll go
Speaker 2: special Tanna, But he's doing it from the backfield, working
Speaker 2: the seam, dude hitting back shoulder ball, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like he's and he's such a big guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you forget how big football play. Like you told
Speaker 4: me last year, I'm a football player. Anything they want
Speaker 4: me to do.
Speaker 5: Do so.
Speaker 2: Needless to say, we're all really excited about this this
Speaker 2: offense because Cliff Kingsbury coming in and see what it
Speaker 2: looks like. Much like the defense, we want to see
Speaker 2: how it changes to fit the personnel, which I think
Speaker 2: was Tanna's first point right out the gate, gott to
Speaker 2: fit your personnel. I got to maximize them. But that's
Speaker 2: gonna do it for today's show. Thank you so much
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