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Speaker 1: have inadvertently confessed why Alex Pretty was murdered by Ice

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Speaker 1: and Border Patrol in Minneapolis Saturday. They the Trump dictatorship

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Speaker 1: and its terrorists, the paramilitary organization the Proud Ice Boys

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Speaker 1: death Squad. They murdered Alex Pretty as a warning that

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Speaker 1: this is what they will continue to do if local

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Speaker 1: leaders like Minnesota's governor do not stop thwarting the Trump dictatorship.

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Speaker 1: They hadn't even cleaned up the murder site yet, and

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Speaker 1: yet Trump's concierge, Attorney General Pambody, was already on Fox confessing.

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Speaker 1: What she said could someday send her to finish her

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Speaker 1: life in jail. But that's someday right now. What matters

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Speaker 1: is what her confession means to us, Her confession about

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Speaker 1: the letter she sent. It is an extortion letter, a

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Speaker 1: blackmail letter, a kidnapping letter. It is a letter promising

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Speaker 1: to end Trump's invasion of Minnesota, to withdraw Ice if

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Speaker 1: Trump's ransom demands are met. Quote, we sent Governor Walls

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Speaker 1: a very strong letter today, BONDI said to whichever Fox

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Speaker 1: meat puppet was on the air that hour, We got

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Speaker 1: it out, saying that he better support President Trump, he

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Speaker 1: better support the men and women in law enforcement, because

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't, we are, and that's what we're doing

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Speaker 1: right now. He better support President Trump. It's simple. They

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Speaker 1: want voter rolls and Medicare data and other showy things

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Speaker 1: with which to suppress minorities and fix the midterms. But

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Speaker 1: the big picture, the big message BONDI was too stupid

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Speaker 1: to finesse or dress up. It's right there. What we

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Speaker 1: did Saturday morning is she implied a message to Governor

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Speaker 1: Walls and every other governor and every other mayor and

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Speaker 1: every other American quote, saying that he better support President

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Speaker 1: Trump because if he doesn't, we are, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing right now. Support Trump or we will well,

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Speaker 1: we will keep shooting your residence. Comply or your people

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Speaker 1: will die, or you will die. The United States of

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Speaker 1: America is at this moment without a functioning government. In

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Speaker 1: place of a government, the United States of America now

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Speaker 1: has a Trump terrorist organization in forced by a paramilitary

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Speaker 1: death squad, proud ice boys, masked gunmen, street gangs in

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Speaker 1: Nazi leathered trench coats. The United States of America is

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Speaker 1: at this moment without a functioning government, and the United

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Speaker 1: States of America is at this moment without a functioning constitution,

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Speaker 1: and the United States of America is at this moment

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Speaker 1: without a functioning president. We are destabilized from within by

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Speaker 1: state sponsored terrorism, our own state, with our own terrorist,

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Speaker 1: the worst terrorist this nation has ever faced. Donald John Trump,

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Speaker 1: he serves no one but himself, at his co conspirators,

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Speaker 1: and his gangs and militias and Gestapo, and for all

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Speaker 1: we know mercenaries which he calls homeland security and border

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Speaker 1: patrol and Ice, and they are rioters and provocateurs and enforcers,

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Speaker 1: and they are death squads. Trump serves no one but himself.

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Speaker 1: He protects no one but himself, and he protects those

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Speaker 1: who will break the laws on his behalf, his criminals,

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Speaker 1: his executioners. You saw what happened. The world saw what happened.

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Speaker 1: The video is conclusive, and what it depicts is unmistakable.

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Speaker 1: Alex Pretty, a nurse, a nurse at a VA hospital,

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Speaker 1: goes to where Ice was threatening to riot again. He

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Speaker 1: which every right winger for half a century has claimed

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Speaker 1: And amid the obvious slanders and untruths that brand her

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Speaker 1: ICE was doing in Minneapolis, with its duties, with its purpose.

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Speaker 1: And if you take that as the only true thing

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Speaker 1: worse because Christy Nome's inference, the sadistic admission she is

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Speaker 1: They continue to glory in what they did. Christin Noman,

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman and todd Lyons and this pile of vomit

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Speaker 1: stochastically ordered by Trump. They have been glorying in this

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Speaker 1: because that is what ICE's purpose is. That is what

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Speaker 1: Bovino's purpose is, that is what nomes purpose is. That

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Speaker 1: is what this dressed up street gang called Ice, barely

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Speaker 1: dressed up street gang is. That is what Homan is,

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Speaker 1: That is what Lions is, that is what the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice is. This wasn't some nightmare of hatred mixed

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Speaker 1: with sadism, mixed with improper training. They meant for it

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Speaker 1: be worse than this. Christy Nomes job is to get

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Speaker 1: Americans killed. The proud Ice boys jobs are to throw

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Speaker 1: we have understood their goal. They are not only terrorists,

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Speaker 1: they intend to be terrorists, and not just some small

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Speaker 1: and that includes those massachists who form half the base

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Speaker 1: reminder a much more subtle reminder you want to be

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Speaker 1: we really want you to take away from Minneapolis is

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Speaker 1: We whip you into a frenzy over and we will

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Speaker 1: still kill you. We will still kill you. Ice DHS

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Speaker 1: Although they probably have These are terrorist organizations. The Trump

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Speaker 1: Trump is a terrorist, Gnome is a terrorist. The murderers

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Speaker 1: of Alex Prettier terrorist and they should all be in

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Speaker 1: Gitmo today. The only difference between two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 1: theoretical they won't become terrorists. They are terrorists now. Well,

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Speaker 1: As much as Alex Pretti tried to stand between the

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Speaker 1: she's a sadist, She's covered for Corey Lewandowski. She will

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Speaker 1: Christinome is basic. But Pam Bondi is in a way, far,

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Speaker 1: far more dangerous. Despite I have met her, despite her

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Speaker 1: like we're short of people who will get up and

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Speaker 1: masochistic and sadistic maga out there who want to see

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Speaker 1: are Bondy, as you know, made an offer, an offer

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Speaker 1: that Tim Walls is not supposed to. What was that

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Speaker 1: discriminating against white people. You know, white people like the

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Speaker 1: ones we've shot on your streets this month. The real

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Speaker 1: victims here, Oh no, not when we shoot them, then

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Speaker 1: and took the job anyway. Still, there are some topics

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Speaker 1: that really do sort of scream out to you. If

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00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:33,675
Speaker 1: you get this right, you're going to have nearly one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent support If you get this wrong, you're done.

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Speaker 1: I believe Minnesota and ICE had the earmarks of this

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Speaker 1: from the beginning, from the death of poor Renee Good.

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00:31:47,355 --> 00:31:51,075
Speaker 1: So they're the medalists. They are also the runners up

432
00:31:51,355 --> 00:31:55,995
Speaker 1: Jeff Earl and Elisia field Stat at the New York Post.

433
00:31:56,395 --> 00:31:59,315
Speaker 1: They are apparently writers there or whatever they have there.

434
00:31:59,795 --> 00:32:05,435
Speaker 1: The early headline for their standard Murdochian warring about Saturday's

435
00:32:05,475 --> 00:32:12,355
Speaker 1: murder man waving gun at fed's attempting to arrest illegal

436
00:32:12,395 --> 00:32:18,155
Speaker 1: criminal migrant in Minneapolis shot dead by agent DHS, says

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00:32:18,715 --> 00:32:24,155
Speaker 1: by Jeff Earl and Alicia Fieldstat New York Post. He

438
00:32:24,235 --> 00:32:28,235
Speaker 1: wasn't waving a gun. The FEDS turned out to be

439
00:32:29,275 --> 00:32:34,475
Speaker 1: trying to attempt to arrest somebody who was cleared and

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00:32:34,635 --> 00:32:39,115
Speaker 1: had been picked up and released by Ice several years ago.

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00:32:40,955 --> 00:32:46,635
Speaker 1: Other than that great story Jeff and Alicia another runner up,

442
00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:51,955
Speaker 1: Scott Jennings, who was apparently leaving CNN to become I

443
00:32:51,955 --> 00:32:56,475
Speaker 1: don't know, Deputy Rex Commissar. I don't know. The anti

444
00:32:56,635 --> 00:33:00,235
Speaker 1: ICE propaganda war being waged by Democrats right now is

445
00:33:00,315 --> 00:33:04,195
Speaker 1: out of control, he said the other day. If I

446
00:33:04,235 --> 00:33:06,515
Speaker 1: were Trump, I'd be frustrated too. But he has to

447
00:33:06,595 --> 00:33:10,195
Speaker 1: uphold federal laws in all fifty states, no matter what

448
00:33:10,835 --> 00:33:18,675
Speaker 1: some secessionist angry mob in Minneapolis says Scott Jennings is

449
00:33:18,675 --> 00:33:24,795
Speaker 1: a moron. Then there's Clay Travis, nominally a sports guy.

450
00:33:25,035 --> 00:33:28,155
Speaker 1: Outkicked the coverage. I believe it was called or Clay

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00:33:28,195 --> 00:33:32,875
Speaker 1: Travis's White Supremacist Review. I don't know what the name

452
00:33:32,915 --> 00:33:37,715
Speaker 1: of the site is. The outkicked the White Supremacists. That

453
00:33:37,875 --> 00:33:41,275
Speaker 1: clown doesn't know politics, doesn't know America, doesn't know sports.

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Speaker 1: The NBA canceled its game in Minneapolis today because the

455
00:33:44,955 --> 00:33:47,795
Speaker 1: league felt it wasn't safe to play. The NHL is

456
00:33:47,795 --> 00:33:51,035
Speaker 1: currently playing in Minneapolis and had zero issues with playing

457
00:33:51,075 --> 00:33:54,315
Speaker 1: its game. The NBA's decision was one hundred percent political.

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Speaker 1: Good for the NHL on playing.

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Speaker 2: Ye, how.

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00:33:58,515 --> 00:34:02,955
Speaker 1: The uh? The NBA game, mister Travis, was in Minneapolis,

461
00:34:04,075 --> 00:34:06,435
Speaker 1: where the shoe where the murder took place. The hockey

462
00:34:06,435 --> 00:34:09,155
Speaker 1: game you referred to was in Saint Paul, Minnesota. It's

463
00:34:09,195 --> 00:34:13,235
Speaker 1: a different city. It's ten miles and one world away.

464
00:34:13,475 --> 00:34:17,075
Speaker 1: So the actual question of safety, do you play in

465
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Speaker 1: the Target Center in Minneapolis, literally a couple of minutes

466
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Speaker 1: from the murder scene. Do you play there in frigid temperatures,

467
00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:30,515
Speaker 1: with protesters out on the street and ice shooting up

468
00:34:30,515 --> 00:34:35,275
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Do you play that game as a Paul

469
00:34:35,435 --> 00:34:41,075
Speaker 1: was to a hockey game in Saint Paul. No wonder

470
00:34:41,115 --> 00:34:44,675
Speaker 1: he veered over into politics. No shit about sports. Now

471
00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:50,395
Speaker 1: are medallists the bronze worst Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman, for

472
00:34:50,515 --> 00:34:55,435
Speaker 1: whom I feel great sorrow, but enough go check in

473
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Speaker 1: somewhere and resign. Quote ICE agents are just doing their job,

474
00:34:59,675 --> 00:35:02,435
Speaker 1: and I fully support that. Again, he said this before

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00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:05,235
Speaker 1: the murder of Preddy. This was after the murder Renee

476
00:35:05,275 --> 00:35:08,515
Speaker 1: good people in my party might treat them as criminals.

477
00:35:08,635 --> 00:35:12,155
Speaker 1: That's inappropriate and outrageous. You know, the fact that you're

478
00:35:12,155 --> 00:35:16,435
Speaker 1: still running around without supervision is inappropriate and outrageous. And

479
00:35:16,435 --> 00:35:19,555
Speaker 1: the fact that you pose as a Democrat is inappropriate

480
00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:26,195
Speaker 1: and outrageous. Get thee to a Nunnery the runners up

481
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Speaker 1: wor Sir, CBS News and the greatest network news disaster

482
00:35:30,075 --> 00:35:33,195
Speaker 1: of the last half century or more Tony da koppol

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00:35:34,075 --> 00:35:38,795
Speaker 1: Thursday again, if you really are going to try to

484
00:35:38,835 --> 00:35:42,315
Speaker 1: take the wrong side in a what is to be

485
00:35:42,435 --> 00:35:47,435
Speaker 1: a historically important societal turning point, if you're going to

486
00:35:47,555 --> 00:35:53,115
Speaker 1: take the side of the cops in Rodney King, or

487
00:35:53,515 --> 00:35:55,915
Speaker 1: if you're going to take, say, the side of the

488
00:35:55,955 --> 00:36:02,435
Speaker 1: assassins in any political assassination, maybe maybe you should make

489
00:36:02,475 --> 00:36:07,395
Speaker 1: other career plans. Thursday, Tony da Koppel signed off the

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00:36:07,915 --> 00:36:12,355
Speaker 1: CBS evening Barrywise Pick Me Trump, Pick Me News by

491
00:36:12,355 --> 00:36:16,955
Speaker 1: elevating quote those who want to see our immigration laws

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00:36:17,155 --> 00:36:25,435
Speaker 1: enforced legally and peacefully and with safety for all, And

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Speaker 1: he ended with It's not my job to tell you

494
00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:31,795
Speaker 1: what to think about what happened here. No, no, of course, not,

495
00:36:31,995 --> 00:36:36,875
Speaker 1: Tony Tacoppel. Government murders two people, shoots some other in

496
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Speaker 1: the face, and blows a nurse's brains out with a

497
00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:43,675
Speaker 1: point blank shot to his head after they disarmed him.

498
00:36:43,875 --> 00:36:47,675
Speaker 1: But don't you dare offer any insight or opinion or

499
00:36:47,715 --> 00:36:50,515
Speaker 1: even guidance as to what the viewers might think. Let

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00:36:50,555 --> 00:36:59,755
Speaker 1: them believe that it is not assassination and government inspired terrorism.

501
00:37:00,075 --> 00:37:04,035
Speaker 1: I mean, honest to God, I hope they have a

502
00:37:04,075 --> 00:37:06,195
Speaker 1: new one life end up to take over that show.

503
00:37:06,875 --> 00:37:10,955
Speaker 1: Maybe they could do an AI thing. Years ago, when

504
00:37:11,115 --> 00:37:14,075
Speaker 1: MSNBC went on one of the more creative shows they

505
00:37:14,115 --> 00:37:18,395
Speaker 1: ever did, featured a co host who was actually an

506
00:37:18,395 --> 00:37:23,235
Speaker 1: animated character who did half the news and reacted to

507
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:26,675
Speaker 1: the real people. May they can have that guy come back.

508
00:37:27,035 --> 00:37:31,955
Speaker 1: He's in a box somewhere in Secaucus, New Jersey. By

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00:37:31,955 --> 00:37:35,755
Speaker 1: the way, the reporter about TV, Joe Adalion, he noted

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00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,595
Speaker 1: that Saturday night and Dacoppol was not there, so that's

511
00:37:38,635 --> 00:37:41,155
Speaker 1: not his fault. And he doesn't make any of the

512
00:37:41,195 --> 00:37:45,035
Speaker 1: decisions either. He just reads what they give him. Joe

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00:37:45,075 --> 00:37:48,275
Speaker 1: Adalion notes that on Saturday night, the CBS Evening Weekend

514
00:37:48,315 --> 00:37:54,595
Speaker 1: News devoted nearly its entire show to weather, and it

515
00:37:54,675 --> 00:37:57,795
Speaker 1: devoted two and a half minutes to the murder of

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00:37:57,875 --> 00:38:02,675
Speaker 1: Alex Preddi and BC mister Adallion notes, did about eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: Given the content of a newscast is now down to

518
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Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen minutes, two and a half minutes. But first,

519
00:38:12,155 --> 00:38:14,875
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's snow. What are we going to do?

520
00:38:15,715 --> 00:38:18,155
Speaker 1: Can we still breathe this air of its twelve degrees?

521
00:38:21,395 --> 00:38:24,635
Speaker 1: And yet there's worst the winner. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: I didn't try to warn him. I mean, I know

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00:38:28,275 --> 00:38:33,355
Speaker 1: what passed for a working acquaintanceship, friendly acquaintanceship. I know

524
00:38:33,435 --> 00:38:36,155
Speaker 1: that's long gone, but I have tried to warn him

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00:38:36,755 --> 00:38:39,475
Speaker 1: from the beginning when he went down this path that

526
00:38:39,555 --> 00:38:43,275
Speaker 1: he was going to destroy the successful career he had

527
00:38:43,795 --> 00:38:48,275
Speaker 1: in pursuit of a career in which he was insufficiently prepared.

528
00:38:49,515 --> 00:38:51,675
Speaker 1: That the idea of going in just doing what I

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00:38:51,795 --> 00:38:54,035
Speaker 1: used to do when I did Sports with Dan Patrick

530
00:38:54,115 --> 00:38:56,195
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five and six and seven. I

531
00:38:56,235 --> 00:38:59,235
Speaker 1: would come in for one hour of his show at

532
00:38:59,235 --> 00:39:02,235
Speaker 1: their request at ESPN, to just have fun with Dan.

533
00:39:02,475 --> 00:39:04,555
Speaker 1: And I would come in at about one point fifty

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00:39:04,755 --> 00:39:07,475
Speaker 1: eight for the two o'clock hour, and we'd be coming

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00:39:07,515 --> 00:39:10,635
Speaker 1: back on at two four or two oh five, and

536
00:39:10,675 --> 00:39:12,755
Speaker 1: I'd say, what are we talking about? And he'd give

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00:39:12,755 --> 00:39:15,075
Speaker 1: me three or four topics that they had guests lined

538
00:39:15,155 --> 00:39:17,515
Speaker 1: up on, or he wanted to talk about Barry Bonds

539
00:39:17,595 --> 00:39:20,355
Speaker 1: this and a basketball that and this thing from the

540
00:39:20,355 --> 00:39:21,235
Speaker 1: other night. Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

542
00:39:21,515 --> 00:39:23,275
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, good, we can talk about it. And

543
00:39:23,315 --> 00:39:26,435
Speaker 1: I would then call up stories on the computer so

544
00:39:26,515 --> 00:39:28,955
Speaker 1: I had a little factual representation of what we were

545
00:39:28,955 --> 00:39:31,595
Speaker 1: talking about, and that was my entire prep and we

546
00:39:31,635 --> 00:39:33,755
Speaker 1: would kill off an hour and have a great hour

547
00:39:33,875 --> 00:39:37,035
Speaker 1: with real real time insights, because you can do that

548
00:39:37,115 --> 00:39:39,755
Speaker 1: with sports that's the point of sports. The point of

549
00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:43,195
Speaker 1: sports is not necessarily researching everything and then sitting down

550
00:39:43,235 --> 00:39:46,435
Speaker 1: and contemplating it deeply, even though occasionally I've tried that

551
00:39:46,515 --> 00:39:50,395
Speaker 1: in the past. The point of sports is you get

552
00:39:50,435 --> 00:39:53,235
Speaker 1: off the bus, you go into the bar, you sit down,

553
00:39:54,115 --> 00:39:56,955
Speaker 1: friends one, seven, and fifteen are there, and you start

554
00:39:57,035 --> 00:40:01,035
Speaker 1: talking and you say things, and if you want to

555
00:40:01,075 --> 00:40:05,395
Speaker 1: be impressive, you stick to facts. Now you can't do

556
00:40:05,475 --> 00:40:07,875
Speaker 1: that with politics, because you're going to say stupid things

557
00:40:07,915 --> 00:40:10,635
Speaker 1: and are totally untrue, especially if it's on the air,

558
00:40:10,955 --> 00:40:13,835
Speaker 1: if you're on a podcast, if you're live somewhere, if

559
00:40:13,835 --> 00:40:18,235
Speaker 1: you're Stephen A freaking Smith. It's not like I didn't

560
00:40:18,275 --> 00:40:24,235
Speaker 1: warn you. This was Stephen A. Smith after Renee Goods murder.

561
00:40:24,475 --> 00:40:26,715
Speaker 1: This was him on January eighth. Let me just read

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Speaker 1: it to you quote. I saw the video on numerous occasions,

563
00:40:32,355 --> 00:40:35,795
Speaker 1: and seeing what transpired from a lawful perspective as it

564
00:40:35,835 --> 00:40:39,595
Speaker 1: pertains to a law enforcement official, don't expect him to

565
00:40:39,595 --> 00:40:46,395
Speaker 1: be prosecuted. He was completely justified. She wrongfully tried to

566
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Speaker 1: drive off and wrongfully disregarded a law enforcement official, which

567
00:40:50,875 --> 00:40:54,035
Speaker 1: is exactly what ice is, and as a result lost

568
00:40:54,035 --> 00:40:59,875
Speaker 1: her life. Because of it. Some people don't understand news,

569
00:41:01,755 --> 00:41:04,675
Speaker 1: some people don't understand humanity, and some people don't understand politics,

570
00:41:04,755 --> 00:41:07,155
Speaker 1: and some people don't understand when to stay in an

571
00:41:07,195 --> 00:41:11,755
Speaker 1: area that they are successful in despite much evidence that

572
00:41:11,795 --> 00:41:15,035
Speaker 1: they don't really have any talent at it. And then

573
00:41:15,075 --> 00:41:18,075
Speaker 1: there is that rarest of persons who doesn't understand any

574
00:41:18,155 --> 00:41:23,835
Speaker 1: of that, and that would be Stephen A. Smith, Today's

575
00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:31,035
Speaker 1: worst person in the world. Back with the humorous relief next,

576
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Speaker 1: I suppose the only thing I like about January is

577
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Speaker 1: that it's the start of the new year. And because

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00:41:45,755 --> 00:41:47,955
Speaker 1: of a coincidence I have nothing to do with, my

579
00:41:48,035 --> 00:41:50,715
Speaker 1: birthday is in January, so it's doubly the start of

580
00:41:50,715 --> 00:41:53,195
Speaker 1: the new year. And I get very nostalgic, and milestones

581
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Speaker 1: get hit, and it is now the twentieth anniversary of this,

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Speaker 1: and the fiftieth anniversary of that, and the thirtieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of this. The fiftieth anniversary is this is the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary of the year I became sports director of my

585
00:42:06,635 --> 00:42:11,915
Speaker 1: college radio station, which to that point was an unbelievable accomplishment,

586
00:42:12,515 --> 00:42:15,635
Speaker 1: and it's now half a century ago. It was the

587
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Speaker 1: equivalent in terms of a time span of say, when

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00:42:18,875 --> 00:42:21,075
Speaker 1: I was eight years old and decided to become a

589
00:42:21,075 --> 00:42:23,515
Speaker 1: sportscaster and thought, well, I'll have to become the college

590
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:27,155
Speaker 1: radio station sports director on along the way, won't I.

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00:42:27,155 --> 00:42:31,755
Speaker 1: If you go fifty years backwards, it's the American arrival

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00:42:31,835 --> 00:42:34,395
Speaker 1: in the middle of the First World War. That's how

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00:42:34,435 --> 00:42:36,955
Speaker 1: long ago fifty years is. But I wanted to talk

594
00:42:36,995 --> 00:42:40,315
Speaker 1: about something that happened thirty years ago now now that

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00:42:40,355 --> 00:42:42,475
Speaker 1: it has a nice round number to it, and we

596
00:42:42,595 --> 00:42:46,195
Speaker 1: Americans are obsessed by this three thousand hits rather than

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00:42:46,195 --> 00:42:48,835
Speaker 1: two nine hundred and ninety nine or three thousand and one,

598
00:42:49,515 --> 00:42:52,355
Speaker 1: thirty years instead of twenty nine or thirty one, even

599
00:42:52,395 --> 00:42:56,275
Speaker 1: though there's really not much damn difference, And like the calendar,

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Speaker 1: if anybody ever made a counting mistake, the number is

601
00:42:59,075 --> 00:43:03,835
Speaker 1: also wrong. Anyway to the number one story and the

602
00:43:03,995 --> 00:43:08,035
Speaker 1: day I they nearly quit ESPN Sports Center at the

603
00:43:08,075 --> 00:43:11,595
Speaker 1: maximum point of its fame and success, to go work

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Speaker 1: in local radio in Chicago in nineteen ninety six, I

605
00:43:17,115 --> 00:43:20,195
Speaker 1: got a call I think through my agent, but I

606
00:43:20,235 --> 00:43:22,595
Speaker 1: know I talked to the man directly, from a man

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Speaker 1: named Doug Stern, who was the general manager of a

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Speaker 1: radio station in Chicago, Illinois, and this station, which was WMVP,

609
00:43:32,955 --> 00:43:37,195
Speaker 1: was anything, but it was thirty first in the ratings

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00:43:37,235 --> 00:43:40,155
Speaker 1: in a thirty one station market. It was an all

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00:43:40,195 --> 00:43:42,915
Speaker 1: sports station, but it was the number two all sports

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Speaker 1: station in Chicago. And I couldn't understand why he was

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Speaker 1: calling me. He made it rather plain, rather quickly that

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Speaker 1: they were desperate to do something big to get on

615
00:43:52,435 --> 00:43:55,355
Speaker 1: the scoreboard in Chicago. And the thing they wanted to

616
00:43:55,355 --> 00:43:58,675
Speaker 1: do that was big was hire me away from SportsCenter.

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00:43:59,755 --> 00:44:03,315
Speaker 1: Understand my relationship with ESPN, which I've begun to understand

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00:44:03,355 --> 00:44:05,955
Speaker 1: a little bit better in the injury of decades from

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Speaker 1: the time of its height and then later the time

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00:44:08,835 --> 00:44:12,395
Speaker 1: of my return to ESPN and Sports Center in the teens,

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Speaker 1: and so I've got a better perspective on it. But

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00:44:14,635 --> 00:44:17,635
Speaker 1: it still boils down to this. I didn't like the

623
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Speaker 1: lifestyle and was wrong. It was the wrong time for me.

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Speaker 1: Nothing at all wrong with the place. I had a

625
00:44:23,355 --> 00:44:26,955
Speaker 1: wonderful house. I had a giant, seven thousand square foot

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Speaker 1: house with a heated swimming pool and like three acres

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Speaker 1: and two hundred original growth trees, and it was fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and it had a solarium, and it had a seated

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Speaker 1: swimming pool and everything you could want. The problem was

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Speaker 1: there were no sidewalks. The nearest place to go to

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Speaker 1: was a general store, I mean by foot, about thirty

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Speaker 1: five forty minutes away, which makes for a long walk

633
00:44:51,595 --> 00:44:55,235
Speaker 1: back if you're shopping. Anyway, it was a fine place.

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Speaker 1: If I wanted to raise a family, that would have

635
00:44:57,235 --> 00:44:59,195
Speaker 1: been it. Or if I'd brought a family with me,

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Speaker 1: that would have been it. Or if I'd even brought

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Speaker 1: a girlfriend with me, that would have been it. But

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00:45:03,235 --> 00:45:05,555
Speaker 1: it was very tough to add those once you were

639
00:45:05,555 --> 00:45:09,635
Speaker 1: out there in a place where you spent most of

640
00:45:09,675 --> 00:45:13,035
Speaker 1: the time looking out the window at the far horizon

641
00:45:13,155 --> 00:45:15,795
Speaker 1: where the highway to New York went up the hill,

642
00:45:16,035 --> 00:45:17,795
Speaker 1: and then everybody had to break at the top of

643
00:45:17,835 --> 00:45:20,195
Speaker 1: the hill to go down the hill towards New York.

644
00:45:20,795 --> 00:45:23,875
Speaker 1: And there was this little red glowing light where all

645
00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,555
Speaker 1: those people were just far enough away that they were

646
00:45:26,595 --> 00:45:28,795
Speaker 1: going to New York and you weren't, and there was

647
00:45:28,835 --> 00:45:31,995
Speaker 1: really nothing to do. I kind of liked the job.

648
00:45:32,035 --> 00:45:34,475
Speaker 1: I had a lot of problems with management at ESPN.

649
00:45:34,835 --> 00:45:36,875
Speaker 1: I think those may have been noted somewhere, and we

650
00:45:36,995 --> 00:45:39,875
Speaker 1: largely paved those over in the ensuing years, and I'm

651
00:45:40,075 --> 00:45:42,795
Speaker 1: kind of proud of them and of me, And I'm

652
00:45:42,795 --> 00:45:46,675
Speaker 1: a Disney retiree. I just got another Disney retiree check

653
00:45:46,755 --> 00:45:50,435
Speaker 1: the other day. That's the last possible outcome I would

654
00:45:50,435 --> 00:45:53,235
Speaker 1: have believed, other than them selling me the place. But

655
00:45:53,355 --> 00:45:57,755
Speaker 1: I just didn't fit in in the environment. I liked

656
00:45:57,795 --> 00:45:59,995
Speaker 1: doing the show. I liked working with Dan Patrick. The

657
00:46:00,075 --> 00:46:03,195
Speaker 1: success was something I knew I would never recreate. It

658
00:46:03,315 --> 00:46:06,275
Speaker 1: was a pretty easy thing, considering how difficult it was.

659
00:46:06,715 --> 00:46:10,315
Speaker 1: As ludicrous and Yogi Barrow like as that sounds, he

660
00:46:10,355 --> 00:46:12,275
Speaker 1: looked out for me, I looked out for him. We

661
00:46:12,315 --> 00:46:15,635
Speaker 1: had a great producer and series of them, including Norby

662
00:46:15,675 --> 00:46:18,475
Speaker 1: Williamson who then ran the company, and Mike McQuaid who

663
00:46:18,475 --> 00:46:20,515
Speaker 1: now runs the company. We had a lot of great

664
00:46:20,515 --> 00:46:23,475
Speaker 1: people who worked there, person after person who advanced to

665
00:46:23,515 --> 00:46:26,835
Speaker 1: the top of that place. It was really high quality.

666
00:46:29,235 --> 00:46:31,715
Speaker 1: Took me four years to convince them, since I didn't drive,

667
00:46:31,755 --> 00:46:33,555
Speaker 1: that maybe they should send a car for me and

668
00:46:33,555 --> 00:46:35,915
Speaker 1: then I would never be late to anything again, rather

669
00:46:35,955 --> 00:46:39,035
Speaker 1: than relying on the two cabs in town. I mean,

670
00:46:39,075 --> 00:46:40,955
Speaker 1: if there'd been a cab that showed up on time,

671
00:46:41,035 --> 00:46:43,155
Speaker 1: I would have been happy to pay for it myself,

672
00:46:43,195 --> 00:46:46,195
Speaker 1: but there weren't any In any event, I was looking

673
00:46:46,275 --> 00:46:49,155
Speaker 1: to move on and my contract expired at the end

674
00:46:49,155 --> 00:46:51,515
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety seven, so I was beginning to think

675
00:46:51,555 --> 00:46:53,875
Speaker 1: of what else I might do. And here comes this

676
00:46:53,995 --> 00:46:56,675
Speaker 1: call from this man in Chicago, Dougster, and what he

677
00:46:56,715 --> 00:47:00,515
Speaker 1: wants to do is pay me twice as much money

678
00:47:00,515 --> 00:47:03,115
Speaker 1: as ESPN was paying me to come and do a

679
00:47:03,275 --> 00:47:06,715
Speaker 1: radio show on him his station from say four to

680
00:47:06,835 --> 00:47:11,115
Speaker 1: seven in the afternoon for six hundred thousand dollars a year.

681
00:47:12,435 --> 00:47:15,395
Speaker 1: I was the highest paid sports center anchor and I

682
00:47:15,435 --> 00:47:19,635
Speaker 1: think the third highest non game announcer on ESPN at

683
00:47:19,675 --> 00:47:22,035
Speaker 1: the time. And I was making about three hundred thousand

684
00:47:22,075 --> 00:47:28,875
Speaker 1: dollars you heard me right, And these guys were willing

685
00:47:28,915 --> 00:47:30,755
Speaker 1: to pay me six hundred thousand dollars. And oh, by

686
00:47:30,755 --> 00:47:32,435
Speaker 1: the way, if I could get a TV job on

687
00:47:32,515 --> 00:47:35,155
Speaker 1: the side, where I worked for one of the local

688
00:47:35,275 --> 00:47:38,595
Speaker 1: Chicago stations and did the sportscasts on the six o'clock

689
00:47:38,635 --> 00:47:41,275
Speaker 1: and eleven o'clock news, and they put a camera in

690
00:47:41,355 --> 00:47:44,035
Speaker 1: my studio and we did the sportscast live on the

691
00:47:44,155 --> 00:47:47,915
Speaker 1: radio station and on the television station. That would be

692
00:47:47,955 --> 00:47:49,755
Speaker 1: fine with them, and I could make a deal for

693
00:47:49,795 --> 00:47:52,635
Speaker 1: that on my own. And the yeah, the leading guy

694
00:47:52,635 --> 00:47:55,315
Speaker 1: in Chicago's TV sports was making a little under a

695
00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:58,315
Speaker 1: million of years, so this had all kinds of lucrative

696
00:47:58,355 --> 00:48:01,755
Speaker 1: future to it. Plus on top of everything else, I

697
00:48:01,835 --> 00:48:03,955
Speaker 1: was pretty exhausted by then. It was a lot of

698
00:48:03,955 --> 00:48:07,115
Speaker 1: work at esp and they didn't make it particularly easy.

699
00:48:07,315 --> 00:48:08,915
Speaker 1: And here was a show that would start at four

700
00:48:08,995 --> 00:48:11,595
Speaker 1: conck in the afternoon that was nominally about sports, but

701
00:48:11,675 --> 00:48:15,435
Speaker 1: their model was the Imus Show. They wanted it to

702
00:48:15,475 --> 00:48:19,915
Speaker 1: be don Imus only with sports instead of politics as

703
00:48:19,955 --> 00:48:22,355
Speaker 1: the through line. But it could be about anything as

704
00:48:22,435 --> 00:48:25,755
Speaker 1: long as it was about Chicago. And I thought, well,

705
00:48:25,755 --> 00:48:28,555
Speaker 1: how about we do the plot to improve Chicago and

706
00:48:28,595 --> 00:48:31,755
Speaker 1: just always have something going on where we'd be agitating

707
00:48:31,795 --> 00:48:35,755
Speaker 1: for some improvement in the lower upper Whacker Drives. I

708
00:48:35,835 --> 00:48:39,275
Speaker 1: had never been to Chicago, so I didn't know it.

709
00:48:39,395 --> 00:48:41,475
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. Doug Stern says, can

710
00:48:41,515 --> 00:48:43,315
Speaker 1: you take a couple of days off and come out

711
00:48:43,355 --> 00:48:45,075
Speaker 1: here and will wind you and dine you and show

712
00:48:45,075 --> 00:48:47,675
Speaker 1: you the place and convince you why this hair brain

713
00:48:47,755 --> 00:48:50,515
Speaker 1: idea of mine is actually a really good one. Do

714
00:48:50,595 --> 00:48:52,795
Speaker 1: you think ESPN would let you go, I know you're

715
00:48:52,875 --> 00:48:55,915
Speaker 1: under contract, and I said, I think they probably would.

716
00:48:56,275 --> 00:49:00,235
Speaker 1: I think they're as tired of this from their perspective

717
00:49:00,275 --> 00:49:05,195
Speaker 1: about me as I am tired of my perspective about them,

718
00:49:05,635 --> 00:49:08,195
Speaker 1: and not enmity at this point, but just like, can

719
00:49:08,235 --> 00:49:10,515
Speaker 1: we just resolve this, which is what happened the next

720
00:49:10,595 --> 00:49:13,955
Speaker 1: year when I left about three or four months earlier

721
00:49:14,035 --> 00:49:17,835
Speaker 1: than my contract expired, to go work for NBC and

722
00:49:18,315 --> 00:49:21,715
Speaker 1: alternatively then go into the news business, which was something

723
00:49:21,755 --> 00:49:24,795
Speaker 1: totally unexpected, although it was kind of foreshadowed by this

724
00:49:24,915 --> 00:49:27,435
Speaker 1: idea in nineteen ninety six. In any event, I go

725
00:49:27,515 --> 00:49:29,875
Speaker 1: to Chicago after a false start where I'm on my

726
00:49:29,955 --> 00:49:32,635
Speaker 1: way to the airport and Doug s Turn calls me,

727
00:49:32,675 --> 00:49:34,795
Speaker 1: and this is at the crack of dawn, and says,

728
00:49:34,835 --> 00:49:37,595
Speaker 1: don't come out here, don't come out here. We can't

729
00:49:37,595 --> 00:49:39,635
Speaker 1: have the meeting this week. Is there any way we

730
00:49:39,675 --> 00:49:42,715
Speaker 1: can postpone it to two days from now or whatever

731
00:49:42,795 --> 00:49:44,915
Speaker 1: it was? And I went I think so. And I

732
00:49:44,995 --> 00:49:47,235
Speaker 1: turned around and went back to my house and went

733
00:49:47,315 --> 00:49:50,675
Speaker 1: back to sleep. So I don't know why I was

734
00:49:50,755 --> 00:49:53,755
Speaker 1: so interested in this, having never been there, but I

735
00:49:53,795 --> 00:49:56,755
Speaker 1: did like one thing he mentioned. The station carried the

736
00:49:56,755 --> 00:50:01,835
Speaker 1: White Sox games, and when the White Sox would be

737
00:50:01,955 --> 00:50:05,835
Speaker 1: on at I guess seven o'clock at night local time,

738
00:50:06,075 --> 00:50:10,755
Speaker 1: sometimes six o'clock. My show would end early, so that

739
00:50:10,915 --> 00:50:14,275
Speaker 1: something like eighty or ninety times a year. It wouldn't

740
00:50:14,315 --> 00:50:16,275
Speaker 1: be a three hour show that I'd be doing. It

741
00:50:16,275 --> 00:50:19,395
Speaker 1: would be a two hour show for six hundred thousand

742
00:50:19,395 --> 00:50:23,555
Speaker 1: dollars a year. So I was very interested in seeing

743
00:50:23,555 --> 00:50:26,995
Speaker 1: what happened. Well, I get out to Chicago finally, and

744
00:50:27,115 --> 00:50:29,675
Speaker 1: as I come off the plane, a man walks up

745
00:50:29,715 --> 00:50:32,195
Speaker 1: to me and introduces himself, and it's Doug Stern, the

746
00:50:32,275 --> 00:50:34,715
Speaker 1: general manager of this radio station, has come out to

747
00:50:34,795 --> 00:50:37,915
Speaker 1: see me and greet me personally and pick me up personally,

748
00:50:38,075 --> 00:50:40,395
Speaker 1: and he takes my bags and they are They go

749
00:50:40,555 --> 00:50:43,955
Speaker 1: into full wine and dine and impress Keith. From the

750
00:50:44,035 --> 00:50:47,955
Speaker 1: moment I land. They put me up in the Drake Hotel,

751
00:50:47,995 --> 00:50:54,915
Speaker 1: which is fabulous mid century that's twentieth century Chicago, US, updated,

752
00:50:54,955 --> 00:50:58,075
Speaker 1: but with this still kind of you know, the door

753
00:50:58,195 --> 00:51:00,915
Speaker 1: is in the hotel, or you hang up your dry

754
00:51:00,955 --> 00:51:02,675
Speaker 1: cleaning and they can come and pick it up without

755
00:51:02,755 --> 00:51:05,355
Speaker 1: bothering you because there's another door on the other side

756
00:51:05,395 --> 00:51:09,955
Speaker 1: of your door. You know the palms in the gigantic

757
00:51:09,995 --> 00:51:13,675
Speaker 1: lobby that's like three blocks long. It just it just

758
00:51:14,355 --> 00:51:16,915
Speaker 1: spoke to and still modernized. We're not talking about it.

759
00:51:16,955 --> 00:51:19,235
Speaker 1: Looks like they haven't dusted it in fifty years. That

760
00:51:19,395 --> 00:51:21,035
Speaker 1: was where they put me up. And then they take

761
00:51:21,075 --> 00:51:22,955
Speaker 1: me into the radio station and I walk in the

762
00:51:22,955 --> 00:51:25,235
Speaker 1: front door and everybody who's not on the air is

763
00:51:25,235 --> 00:51:30,635
Speaker 1: standing at this station, and they're all plodding because they

764
00:51:30,715 --> 00:51:33,995
Speaker 1: understood that being at thirty first in the ratings in

765
00:51:34,035 --> 00:51:37,355
Speaker 1: the thirty one station market is not tenable long term. Please,

766
00:51:37,995 --> 00:51:40,875
Speaker 1: So now they begin to whine and dine me, and

767
00:51:40,915 --> 00:51:43,075
Speaker 1: they take me to lunch and they introduce me to

768
00:51:43,115 --> 00:51:46,115
Speaker 1: the guys who are the stars of the network of

769
00:51:46,155 --> 00:51:49,195
Speaker 1: the station as such as it was two very funny,

770
00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:53,275
Speaker 1: very upbeat guys named Harry and Spike, and Harry Tynowitz

771
00:51:53,315 --> 00:51:57,755
Speaker 1: who just died, I believe fairly recently courageous battle with

772
00:51:58,115 --> 00:52:01,035
Speaker 1: a liver transplant. And they were just great guys. And

773
00:52:01,075 --> 00:52:03,395
Speaker 1: Spike was this kind of low key guy. Oh where

774
00:52:03,435 --> 00:52:05,395
Speaker 1: you're staying? I said it. They put me up at

775
00:52:05,395 --> 00:52:07,915
Speaker 1: the Drake. Oh nice, my sister's getting married at the

776
00:52:07,995 --> 00:52:11,835
Speaker 1: Drake on Saturday. Night. I said, that's the congratulations. You

777
00:52:11,875 --> 00:52:15,395
Speaker 1: want to go? And I was like what, he said, yeah,

778
00:52:15,475 --> 00:52:16,995
Speaker 1: you want to go to I mean you're in the

779
00:52:16,995 --> 00:52:18,635
Speaker 1: hotel anyway, it's not like you have to take a

780
00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:21,875
Speaker 1: long trip. I said, tuxedo. No, no, no, you just go.

781
00:52:21,955 --> 00:52:23,875
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm gonna go stack. Oh, I can

782
00:52:23,915 --> 00:52:25,635
Speaker 1: get you a date. In fact, I know a nice,

783
00:52:25,795 --> 00:52:28,675
Speaker 1: nice Irish girl works in the Drake and she's I

784
00:52:28,675 --> 00:52:30,715
Speaker 1: mean she's there already too, and I think she's got

785
00:52:30,715 --> 00:52:32,915
Speaker 1: Saturdays off. She was talking about going and she didn't

786
00:52:32,915 --> 00:52:36,115
Speaker 1: have a date. E you'd like her. I'm in the

787
00:52:36,115 --> 00:52:39,395
Speaker 1: place an hour and I've got a Saturday night wedding

788
00:52:39,795 --> 00:52:43,515
Speaker 1: to go to with a date who works in the

789
00:52:43,515 --> 00:52:47,515
Speaker 1: place where the wedding is. That was the start. Hour

790
00:52:47,675 --> 00:52:51,155
Speaker 1: after hour, they pulled these things off. I went, and

791
00:52:50,795 --> 00:52:55,555
Speaker 1: I went into restaurants with people, and people turned around

792
00:52:55,635 --> 00:52:58,955
Speaker 1: and from the chairs and the tables and turned around

793
00:52:58,955 --> 00:53:00,675
Speaker 1: and recognized me. And we were trying to keep this

794
00:53:00,755 --> 00:53:03,195
Speaker 1: quiet because I didn't know how ESPN was going to

795
00:53:03,195 --> 00:53:05,235
Speaker 1: react to my doing something that had said the contract

796
00:53:05,275 --> 00:53:07,635
Speaker 1: I couldn't do. They took me to a day White

797
00:53:07,675 --> 00:53:12,635
Speaker 1: Sox game. Everybody stopped in the press room. They took

798
00:53:12,675 --> 00:53:15,595
Speaker 1: me to a Chicago Bulls practice. It was during the playoffs.

799
00:53:15,595 --> 00:53:19,275
Speaker 1: This was in the spring, and nobody said anything until

800
00:53:19,275 --> 00:53:21,115
Speaker 1: I saw Dennis Rodman at the other end of the

801
00:53:21,155 --> 00:53:25,835
Speaker 1: court run down from underneath the far basket to where

802
00:53:25,835 --> 00:53:30,995
Speaker 1: I was standing with the radio guys, and he said, way,

803
00:53:31,755 --> 00:53:34,435
Speaker 1: how you doing. How's Dan? I said, good, Dennis, how

804
00:53:34,475 --> 00:53:36,755
Speaker 1: you doing great? Watch you every night? So what the

805
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:39,995
Speaker 1: hell you doing here? You already have a job, I went, Dennis,

806
00:53:40,475 --> 00:53:43,795
Speaker 1: you don't get enough credit for your intelligence. You really don't.

807
00:53:44,115 --> 00:53:47,755
Speaker 1: And he really didn't. And I said, do you think

808
00:53:47,755 --> 00:53:49,875
Speaker 1: you could do me a favor and not tell anybody

809
00:53:49,875 --> 00:53:51,955
Speaker 1: that you saw me here? Because you just figured it out?

810
00:53:52,275 --> 00:53:54,515
Speaker 1: What are you talking with? These these clowns here from

811
00:53:54,555 --> 00:53:56,875
Speaker 1: the radio. I like these guys, but nobody listens to them.

812
00:53:56,915 --> 00:53:59,155
Speaker 1: They listen to them. If you're here, Welcome to Chicago.

813
00:53:59,235 --> 00:53:59,435
Speaker 2: Man.

814
00:54:00,715 --> 00:54:03,875
Speaker 1: Everybody I saw figured it out and we're trying to

815
00:54:03,955 --> 00:54:06,675
Speaker 1: keep this. And every one of them said, please come here.

816
00:54:06,715 --> 00:54:08,235
Speaker 1: We'd love to listen to you. What are you gonna

817
00:54:08,275 --> 00:54:11,475
Speaker 1: do afternoons? I'm not doing anything at four o'clock. I'll

818
00:54:11,515 --> 00:54:15,435
Speaker 1: listen and on and on and on, and I didn't

819
00:54:15,475 --> 00:54:18,315
Speaker 1: pull my wallet out of my pocket once during this time.

820
00:54:18,315 --> 00:54:20,555
Speaker 1: I didn't pay for anything. I didn't pay for a meal,

821
00:54:20,635 --> 00:54:22,875
Speaker 1: I didn't pay for a beer. And the reaction to

822
00:54:22,915 --> 00:54:25,155
Speaker 1: the people who did not know me was the following.

823
00:54:25,915 --> 00:54:28,515
Speaker 1: And I'd never really seen this before in my travels.

824
00:54:28,875 --> 00:54:30,915
Speaker 1: All the places that I worked, even when it was

825
00:54:30,955 --> 00:54:34,315
Speaker 1: Boston versus New York or Los Angeles versus Boston. Ultimately

826
00:54:34,555 --> 00:54:37,075
Speaker 1: the people were largely the same, but there was something

827
00:54:37,115 --> 00:54:39,835
Speaker 1: different about the Midwest. And I think it's still true largely,

828
00:54:39,995 --> 00:54:42,435
Speaker 1: but it was certainly true in nineteen ninety six. And

829
00:54:42,515 --> 00:54:44,355
Speaker 1: this was the reaction to people who didn't know me.

830
00:54:44,875 --> 00:54:47,995
Speaker 1: Who's your friend, Harry, Oh, hi, Keith, nice to meet you.

831
00:54:47,995 --> 00:54:50,835
Speaker 1: You're from out of town. Well, welcome to Chicago. Have

832
00:54:50,875 --> 00:54:54,715
Speaker 1: a beer. I don't know how many beers I had.

833
00:54:54,835 --> 00:54:58,555
Speaker 1: I know I didn't couldn't have possibly had finished all

834
00:54:58,595 --> 00:55:00,435
Speaker 1: of them, or even started most of them. Some of

835
00:55:00,475 --> 00:55:03,835
Speaker 1: them were probably still sitting on a table somewhere in

836
00:55:03,915 --> 00:55:06,275
Speaker 1: a bar in Chicago that I left in the spring

837
00:55:06,275 --> 00:55:08,915
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety six because people kept handing me beers.

838
00:55:09,875 --> 00:55:11,915
Speaker 1: So on and on and on this went, and we

839
00:55:11,955 --> 00:55:13,755
Speaker 1: went and talked about what the show might be, and

840
00:55:13,795 --> 00:55:16,075
Speaker 1: who the sidekick might be, and how we would work

841
00:55:16,115 --> 00:55:19,955
Speaker 1: the camera if there was another station, and preliminary discussions

842
00:55:19,955 --> 00:55:22,675
Speaker 1: with two of the other Chicago TV stations, and would

843
00:55:22,995 --> 00:55:25,595
Speaker 1: ESPN really let me go when I was the centerpiece

844
00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:29,075
Speaker 1: of Sports Center, I went, you'd be surprised, and on

845
00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:31,995
Speaker 1: and on and on, and the longer I went through this,

846
00:55:33,115 --> 00:55:35,395
Speaker 1: and the real reason I realized while I was there

847
00:55:35,435 --> 00:55:39,155
Speaker 1: one morning having breakfast with somebody else they introduced me to.

848
00:55:40,115 --> 00:55:42,515
Speaker 1: While I'm there, I realized I just needed some validation

849
00:55:42,675 --> 00:55:45,235
Speaker 1: because it was a conflict at all times. I had

850
00:55:45,235 --> 00:55:47,235
Speaker 1: one vision of what ESPN should be and what Sports

851
00:55:47,275 --> 00:55:49,475
Speaker 1: Center should be, and more importantly, what my role should

852
00:55:49,475 --> 00:55:52,635
Speaker 1: be in it, and they had a different one, and

853
00:55:52,715 --> 00:55:55,875
Speaker 1: that conflict was constant, and I just needed somebody to say, no,

854
00:55:55,995 --> 00:55:58,595
Speaker 1: we like your ideas, we think you should be the

855
00:55:58,635 --> 00:56:00,995
Speaker 1: one making most of the decisions. Well, I mean, it's

856
00:56:00,995 --> 00:56:04,355
Speaker 1: our station, it's our candy store. We get the ultimate say,

857
00:56:04,875 --> 00:56:08,195
Speaker 1: but let's work out a whole sort of constitution for

858
00:56:08,235 --> 00:56:08,635
Speaker 1: the show.

859
00:56:08,835 --> 00:56:11,515
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I love these people, and they want

860
00:56:11,595 --> 00:56:14,035
Speaker 2: to pay me twice that I'm making now, and there

861
00:56:14,075 --> 00:56:16,755
Speaker 2: are other people here. I have met more people here

862
00:56:16,755 --> 00:56:19,275
Speaker 2: in Chicago in my four days here than I have

863
00:56:19,395 --> 00:56:23,955
Speaker 2: met in my four years in Bristol, Connecticut. Nothing against Bristol, Connecticut,

864
00:56:24,075 --> 00:56:26,115
Speaker 2: but they don't have any sidewalks there.

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Speaker 1: And then we went looking for apartments and the price

866
00:56:30,155 --> 00:56:37,395
Speaker 1: for apartments penthouses overlooking the lake was still, you know,

867
00:56:38,275 --> 00:56:41,195
Speaker 1: maybe double what I was paying for my house. But

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00:56:41,315 --> 00:56:44,915
Speaker 1: my house was was in Southington, Connecticut. Again a great

869
00:56:44,915 --> 00:56:48,635
Speaker 1: place to raise a family, very economical, but sort of

870
00:56:48,675 --> 00:56:52,915
Speaker 1: like the most remote suburbs of Hartford as opposed to

871
00:56:53,315 --> 00:56:56,515
Speaker 1: I'm in downtown Chicago. I can walk to work now.

872
00:56:56,635 --> 00:57:00,835
Speaker 1: Admittedly it was I think the end of May, and

873
00:57:00,915 --> 00:57:03,155
Speaker 1: one morning it was forty one degrees and I thought,

874
00:57:03,195 --> 00:57:06,315
Speaker 1: is this the kind of life I want to? You know,

875
00:57:06,475 --> 00:57:08,875
Speaker 1: Kathy went to Cornell University. It was kind of cold

876
00:57:08,995 --> 00:57:10,915
Speaker 1: up there, and you know, you did go to the

877
00:57:10,995 --> 00:57:13,395
Speaker 1: Lake Plaster the Olympics and kind of go, but it's windy,

878
00:57:13,515 --> 00:57:15,275
Speaker 1: and that's why I walked around. It's like, yeah, that's

879
00:57:15,315 --> 00:57:16,875
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. How much did you say

880
00:57:16,875 --> 00:57:17,115
Speaker 1: it was?

881
00:57:17,155 --> 00:57:17,435
Speaker 2: Again?

882
00:57:19,795 --> 00:57:24,795
Speaker 1: So on Friday after being there, I guess five days.

883
00:57:24,915 --> 00:57:27,115
Speaker 1: I think I got there Monday. It may have been Tuesdays.

884
00:57:27,115 --> 00:57:29,115
Speaker 1: It was at least four and they whined me and

885
00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:31,835
Speaker 1: dined me and took me everywhere. Here was the schedule.

886
00:57:31,955 --> 00:57:36,595
Speaker 1: On Friday, I was doing something with the boys. Maybe

887
00:57:36,755 --> 00:57:40,155
Speaker 1: maybe another White Sox game, maybe Wrigley Field, a private tour,

888
00:57:40,235 --> 00:57:42,555
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, one of the museums,

889
00:57:42,715 --> 00:57:45,195
Speaker 1: a view of the lake, a view of the surrounding

890
00:57:45,395 --> 00:57:50,355
Speaker 1: neighborhoods outside of Chicago downtown. Just trips on the on

891
00:57:50,515 --> 00:57:57,515
Speaker 1: the l trains, something fun. And then like dinner with

892
00:57:57,635 --> 00:58:00,515
Speaker 1: thug Stern to tell him whether or not we would proceed,

893
00:58:00,915 --> 00:58:05,595
Speaker 1: Like was I convinced? Had they successfully want and dined me?

894
00:58:05,675 --> 00:58:07,755
Speaker 1: And should we try it? Not that I was going

895
00:58:07,795 --> 00:58:10,475
Speaker 1: to accept it and sign a contract, but just could

896
00:58:10,515 --> 00:58:14,755
Speaker 1: we proceed? Was I interested? And I was interested. I

897
00:58:14,755 --> 00:58:16,995
Speaker 1: woke up that morning going, I think this could be

898
00:58:17,075 --> 00:58:19,355
Speaker 1: a great deal of fun. This could be my home.

899
00:58:21,315 --> 00:58:25,275
Speaker 1: It'll look crazy, but this could be my home. Radio

900
00:58:25,355 --> 00:58:28,715
Speaker 1: is not necessarily easier than television. But bottom line is

901
00:58:29,755 --> 00:58:33,115
Speaker 1: you don't have to shave. It's like podcasts. What do

902
00:58:33,115 --> 00:58:38,515
Speaker 1: you like about the podcast, Keith, I don't have to shave. Okay,

903
00:58:38,595 --> 00:58:40,795
Speaker 1: So we're going to go to dinner. Doug Stern is

904
00:58:40,795 --> 00:58:42,835
Speaker 1: going to come by about five o'clock. He's got something

905
00:58:42,875 --> 00:58:44,435
Speaker 1: going on on the weekend. He wants to see if

906
00:58:44,475 --> 00:58:46,795
Speaker 1: he can at least get the ball rolling on, maybe

907
00:58:46,795 --> 00:58:49,515
Speaker 1: getting this done if I'm interested, And we're going to

908
00:58:49,555 --> 00:58:52,915
Speaker 1: have an early dinner and then everybody at the radio

909
00:58:52,915 --> 00:58:56,795
Speaker 1: station knows that this is live or die for them,

910
00:58:57,075 --> 00:59:00,315
Speaker 1: So we're all going to meet at a place near

911
00:59:00,475 --> 00:59:06,675
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field and celebrate because they're convinced. They've convinced me.

912
00:59:06,715 --> 00:59:09,075
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't even gotten to the date yet

913
00:59:09,115 --> 00:59:13,595
Speaker 1: at the Drake Hotel for the wedding the next day,

914
00:59:14,515 --> 00:59:22,795
Speaker 1: and I'm decided. It's like yeah, okay, and I'm getting dressed.

915
00:59:23,155 --> 00:59:25,395
Speaker 1: Doug Stearn's going to pick me up about five point

916
00:59:25,355 --> 00:59:28,315
Speaker 1: thirty six o'clock something outside the Drake, and the real

917
00:59:28,395 --> 00:59:30,155
Speaker 1: wine and dine is going to go on. And I'm

918
00:59:30,155 --> 00:59:33,635
Speaker 1: not going to tell him that I've already decided. I

919
00:59:33,635 --> 00:59:35,355
Speaker 1: want him to spend the rest of the money on me.

920
00:59:36,035 --> 00:59:40,035
Speaker 1: The phone rings five. If he's picking me up at

921
00:59:40,035 --> 00:59:45,035
Speaker 1: five thirty, it's five to twenty, Keith, it's Doug's turn. Listen. Uh,

922
00:59:45,355 --> 00:59:47,275
Speaker 1: let me just come out and say this. The owners

923
00:59:47,435 --> 00:59:49,555
Speaker 1: of the radio station. Just got back from the corporate

924
00:59:49,595 --> 00:59:53,795
Speaker 1: meetings in New Jersey, and they've decided that the best

925
00:59:53,835 --> 00:59:56,715
Speaker 1: thing to do is not to spend six hundred thousand

926
00:59:56,755 --> 00:59:59,035
Speaker 1: dollars a year on you and keep the station going,

927
01:00:00,875 --> 01:00:03,515
Speaker 1: but rather simply take the station off the air and

928
01:00:03,595 --> 01:00:07,915
Speaker 1: rebroadcast what we do on FM. And I said, excuse me,

929
01:00:08,435 --> 01:00:09,955
Speaker 1: he said, yeah. I said, well, I was going to

930
01:00:10,075 --> 01:00:12,195
Speaker 1: tell you that I like the idea. I thought you

931
01:00:12,235 --> 01:00:15,475
Speaker 1: were too. I'm sorry, I literally I just hung up

932
01:00:15,515 --> 01:00:18,075
Speaker 1: with them. They no more spending and everybody's going to

933
01:00:18,115 --> 01:00:24,355
Speaker 1: get fired. And what I said, I said, all the everybody. Yeah,

934
01:00:24,515 --> 01:00:26,195
Speaker 1: don't tell them you're going. I know you're going out

935
01:00:26,235 --> 01:00:29,155
Speaker 1: to celebrate it. Can you just pretend for me? And

936
01:00:29,195 --> 01:00:31,035
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if I've got that in me, Doug,

937
01:00:31,675 --> 01:00:33,755
Speaker 1: He said, well, in any event, I'm so sorry. Let's

938
01:00:33,755 --> 01:00:35,995
Speaker 1: talk again next week. I have to get home and

939
01:00:36,035 --> 01:00:38,515
Speaker 1: pack quickly because I've just taken a job in San

940
01:00:38,555 --> 01:00:40,915
Speaker 1: Francisco and i have to be out there tomorrow morning,

941
01:00:40,995 --> 01:00:44,155
Speaker 1: so I'm leaving on a red eye tonight. Thanks. I

942
01:00:44,195 --> 01:00:45,755
Speaker 1: hope you had a good time at least, and please

943
01:00:45,795 --> 01:00:47,755
Speaker 1: spend all the money you can on the station's dime

944
01:00:47,915 --> 01:00:50,395
Speaker 1: before you leave for Bristol on Sunday morning. Bye click.

945
01:00:53,755 --> 01:00:56,115
Speaker 1: So I didn't go to Chicago to become a sportscaster

946
01:00:56,675 --> 01:01:01,635
Speaker 1: slash talk show hosts slash maybe earlier version of my

947
01:01:01,795 --> 01:01:05,555
Speaker 1: political self, and certainly not the guy who went to

948
01:01:05,675 --> 01:01:09,675
Speaker 1: MSNBC the next year, and certainly not the guy who

949
01:01:09,675 --> 01:01:13,515
Speaker 1: went back to Bristol, Connecticut angrier, which always worked really

950
01:01:13,555 --> 01:01:17,795
Speaker 1: well for Sports Center, by the way. But the punchline

951
01:01:17,795 --> 01:01:20,155
Speaker 1: to this, of course, is I now still have to

952
01:01:20,195 --> 01:01:23,275
Speaker 1: go out and celebrate with Harry and Spike and everybody

953
01:01:23,315 --> 01:01:28,875
Speaker 1: else from the radio station. End. Oh goodness, gracious, I

954
01:01:28,955 --> 01:01:31,115
Speaker 1: knew I would be drinking in a way. I had

955
01:01:31,155 --> 01:01:35,155
Speaker 1: not had the volume of drink. I've discussed this before.

956
01:01:35,195 --> 01:01:37,555
Speaker 1: I once had I think forty beers in one day

957
01:01:37,555 --> 01:01:40,795
Speaker 1: and realize you could be a functional alcoholic. Avoid this

958
01:01:40,835 --> 01:01:43,875
Speaker 1: whenever possible. So I probably hadn't had a drink in

959
01:01:44,235 --> 01:01:45,875
Speaker 1: a couple of months or so, and I never had

960
01:01:45,915 --> 01:01:48,915
Speaker 1: a drinking problem, except I knew the potential was there,

961
01:01:49,515 --> 01:01:51,395
Speaker 1: and that night, the potential was going to be there

962
01:01:51,395 --> 01:01:53,235
Speaker 1: because I was going to have to get completely drunk.

963
01:01:53,955 --> 01:01:56,595
Speaker 1: It was so bad that I took several business cards

964
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Speaker 1: from the Drake Hotel, wrote my name on them and

965
01:02:00,315 --> 01:02:03,315
Speaker 1: a crude map of where the Drake Hotel was, because

966
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Speaker 1: I was not convinced that when I got into the

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Speaker 1: cab after this trauma was over going to celebrate with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people, all whom are going to get

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Speaker 1: fired next Monday. And it's Friday night, and you're the

970
01:02:15,235 --> 01:02:17,555
Speaker 1: only one who knows that they're all going to get fired.

971
01:02:19,635 --> 01:02:21,435
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I was going to be able

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Speaker 1: to speak, And sure enough I went and went out

973
01:02:27,475 --> 01:02:31,715
Speaker 1: with Harry and Spike, and I couldn't keep the secret,

974
01:02:32,035 --> 01:02:34,875
Speaker 1: and I told them, and apparently they were the only

975
01:02:34,915 --> 01:02:39,675
Speaker 1: two who were retained to do what resembled what was

976
01:02:39,755 --> 01:02:42,435
Speaker 1: left of the radio station that wasn't a rebroadcast of FM.

977
01:02:42,715 --> 01:02:45,395
Speaker 1: The irony I think of it was that I believe

978
01:02:45,475 --> 01:02:50,515
Speaker 1: the station was then sold to ESPN. It's all jumbled,

979
01:02:50,555 --> 01:02:51,875
Speaker 1: and now that I think of it, I may even

980
01:02:51,875 --> 01:02:54,075
Speaker 1: have the call letters wrong. They were two stations there,

981
01:02:54,275 --> 01:02:56,675
Speaker 1: the SCORE and MVP, and I can't remember the one

982
01:02:56,715 --> 01:02:58,835
Speaker 1: that wasn't doing well was the one that was I

983
01:02:59,675 --> 01:03:04,035
Speaker 1: was going to go work for. And my prophecy came

984
01:03:04,115 --> 01:03:07,195
Speaker 1: true when it came time to go back to the

985
01:03:07,275 --> 01:03:11,555
Speaker 1: drake and go. These people are all going to get fired,

986
01:03:11,555 --> 01:03:13,475
Speaker 1: and I think they know that. On the other hand,

987
01:03:13,755 --> 01:03:16,035
Speaker 1: let's see how this date goes at the drake tomorrow.

988
01:03:17,275 --> 01:03:20,475
Speaker 1: I entered the cab and I said to the cab

989
01:03:20,555 --> 01:03:22,515
Speaker 1: driver when he said where to buddy, are you saying

990
01:03:22,555 --> 01:03:27,835
Speaker 1: where too, Bunny? And I said, and he went, oh,

991
01:03:27,915 --> 01:03:29,955
Speaker 1: I can't understand you. And I just hold up one

992
01:03:29,995 --> 01:03:35,955
Speaker 1: finger and it pulled out the drink. I went and

993
01:03:36,155 --> 01:03:40,275
Speaker 1: we went to the drink. It's a very nice wedding.

994
01:03:40,355 --> 01:03:55,875
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I've done all the damage I

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Speaker 1: can do here. Thank you for listening. Dennis Rodman figured

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Speaker 1: the best baseball stadium organists ever, Nancy Faust. And I

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Speaker 1: should mention that while I was at that White Sox

1003
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Speaker 1: game where they were whining and dining me, I said hello,

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Speaker 1: to my old friend Nancy Faust. Nancy, I think that's

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Speaker 1: the last time we actually saw each other in person,

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Speaker 1: just nineteen ninety six. The sports music is the Alderman

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Speaker 1: theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy

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Speaker 1: the ESPN and radio motifs my friend Tony Kornheiser. This

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Speaker 1: position the producer's booth, sitting on my lap by Ted.

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Speaker 1: His assistant today was Kit. Everything else was as always

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Speaker 1: my That's countdown for today, Day three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: nine of America held hostage again just one thy ninety

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Speaker 1: four days, though until the scheduled end of his lame

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Speaker 1: duck and lame brained term, unless he is removed sooner

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Speaker 1: by MAGA and Epstein or affordability or Venezuela or the Ice,

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Speaker 1: Gestapo or Greenland or the EU and NATO. The next

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Speaker 1: the next one. I'm Keith Alderman. Good morning, good afternoon,

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