WEBVTT - Basic Instinct with Sarah Marshall 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the bed Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.520 women and um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.879 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:18.520 best start changing it with the bec del Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlin, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.959 I have an idea for a new podcast that I 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.759 want you to co host with me. Okay, yeah, I know. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.680 I'm in great because here's what it's going to be. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.720 It will be me describing how I will murder my lovers, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.199 and then when my lovers end up dead in like 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.400 a year or so, this podcast will be my alibi 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.440 because I'm not going to be so foolish as to 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.280 kill my lovers in the exact same way I described 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.279 on this podcast. Okay, yeah, okay, So I mean and 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.120 and honestly, because you got so close to my face 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.000 while you were telling me that I believe you, and 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.160 also I'm in love with you perfect and don't worry, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.280 I will not frame you or anything. Oh no, you 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.760 wouldn't know, because what we have is real as opposed 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.000 to all the others. I'm not like the other boys. Um, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:17.199 Michael Douglas, Great, Kiss, Kiss what I'm Katherine Zada Jones 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.399 is I. Honestly, I there was like a world in 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.560 which I was going to try to go through this 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.240 whole episode, referring to Michael Douglas as Catherine Zada Jones's 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.560 husband because that's how I think of him. Welcome to 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.520 the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, my name 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.560 is Caitlin Dronte, and this is our show where we 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.520 examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens. Using the Bechtel 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.080 tests simply is a jumping off point. But you know 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.040 what the Bechtel test is? I don't, because I do, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.040 Can you tell me? Well? It is a media metric 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.200 created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechtel 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.600 Wallace Test. A lot of different versions of it. The 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.440 one we use requires that a piece of media have 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.880 two characters with names of a marginalized gender talking to 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.440 each other about something other than a man for two 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.040 lines of dialogue. And it should be a sort of 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:16.760 meaningful interaction. You know it when you see it, and uh, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.120 you know, we've we've we've got it. We've got kind 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.280 of a It's complicated today. Everything is complicated today. It's 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.160 very it's a very complicated day. Yes, you're on the 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.160 picktel Cast. Do you remember that Facebook? Did you ever 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.560 have that? Oh, it's like a relations relationship status. I 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.640 loved that. That's so inviting conflict um that you have 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.960 to respect it. I don't have the personality to publicly 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.520 declare it's complicated, but there were plenty of teenagers who did. Wow. Yeah, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.920 they'd be like, it's complicated with Chris are. They were 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.480 like doing it in earnest because everyone I saw who 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.800 put that it was like a joke. Who would be like, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.120 it's complicated with my bff t. He joked a joke, right, Yes, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.280 uh no, No, when you're fourteen, it's serious. It really 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.160 is complicated because you don't you don't even understand what's 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.280 happening to your body. So everything, even if it's going 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.720 great in your in a relationship, it's still complicated. Yeah. Anyways, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.440 welcome to the backcast. We're talking about basic Instinct today. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.560 Long time request, and we were simply waiting for the 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.320 perfect guest to come along, and here she is. Yes, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.280 let's get her, let's get her in the mix. She 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.160 is the host of Your Wrong About podcast and the 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:38.920 co host of You Are Good Podcast, it's Sarah Marshall. Hi, welcome. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.000 This says what a how are we going to talk 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:49.480 about this movie? Like? Because defies? What is it? Yeah? 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.080 I don't know. It is so I've I've read so 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.400 many takes that my brain started leaking out of my nose. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.840 There doesn't seem to be any or I mean, this 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.080 is true of every movie, but like this one in particular, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.480 it's like there's just no right answer. It doesn't seem 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.480 like everyone's got a different take. We hate it, we 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.520 love it, we're reclaiming it, we're putting it in the trash. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.600 It's good, it's bad. We don't know. It's empowerment for women, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.720 it's horrible for women. Yeah, it's it's every take on 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.920 every end, Fanti cop. We don't know, we don't know. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.600 I'll tell you what we know. It is. It was 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.120 a three million dollar screenplay. That is one thing that 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.080 is known. What a thing to know, which is absurd 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.680 and which is more than Sharon Stone got paid to 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.599 be in the movie. She only got paid five hundred 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.800 thousand dollars to be in this movie, right, which is 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.440 like obviously good money, but not for what she fucking did. Also, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.240 this screenplay was written in thirteen days, which makes so 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:54.080 much sense and right right, And the budget was million 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:59.000 dollars and only thousand of that went to the lead 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.920 of the movie. That makes me feel very bad. There 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.479 there's so much I mean, there's also not only is 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.000 there a ton to talk about about the content, but 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.239 there's so much to talk about about behind the scenes 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.120 some of it. I mean, we'll just see where this goes, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.159 because there's like some things that aren't necessarily relevant to 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.040 the topic of this show that I was sort of 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.320 still like, what the fuck? I just wrote so much 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:28.320 stuff down. Every fact I learned was scarier than the last. Right. Yeah, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.200 I think this episode may just be as chaotic as 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.120 the movie itself. That sounds great. I'm very excited to 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.200 talk about it, and I feel like this discussion honestly, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.560 I I hope it will be clarifying for me because 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.360 I'm all over the place. I did enjoy watching it. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.440 It's highly entertaining or is it. I don't know. Sometimes 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.080 I'm like, I'm board, it's over two hours long. Why 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.039 isn't this half hour shorter? It's taking itself very seriously, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.400 which is a flash doesn't have But one of my 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.720 favorite things about this movie is that we have two 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.440 women famously and to distinguish them from each other and 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.000 create some symbolism, one wears beige clothing and the other 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:16.880 wears brown clothing. It's I mean, how else were you 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.920 supposed to tell high status white women apart in the nineties. 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.120 The only way you could do it except by what 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.040 color neutrals they put on head to toe that morning. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.760 So many loose neutrals in this movie, which have kind 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.920 of come all the way back around. Much like many 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.760 elements of this movie. I was just thinking that true murdering, 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.040 murdering people is so in right now, It's totally in fashion. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:49.520 Look as a as a bisexual murderer, representation matters. It's 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.240 just nice to see an early version of the media 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.240 landscape we have today. So I'm so excited to hear 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.960 your thoughts on this movie, Sarah, Like, what is your 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.440 history with Basic Instinct. I think I first saw it 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.680 when I was like fourteen or fifteen, and I just 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.320 knew that it was a movie that adults talked somewhat 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.040 fearfully about. I think specifically I had heard of it 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.080 in the part and Sleepless in Seattle, where Tom Hanks's 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.240 son obviously alludes to it because he's like, so, if 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.720 you date, you're probably gonna have sex, right, And his 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.080 dad's like, I certainly hope so, and he's like, and 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.920 if you have sex, I think she's going to scratch 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.880 up your back, which he like learned from probably from 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.800 watching Basic Instinct on cable or any of the other 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.840 abundant like sort of Glossy got really bad reviews but 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.000 did amazing when they hit the video rental market movies 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.560 of the time, like other Joe esther Haws films, including 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:55.440 Sliver and Jade. So I think I guess like I 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.680 watched it because I was like, this is a movie 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.040 that scandalize as adult ELTs, and I want to see 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.760 something that scandalized adults. And then I remember just being like, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.040 I don't know what I think about this. It felt 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.480 like it was too deep a look into like the 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.200 sordidness of adult culture. And then when I came back 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.400 to it as an adult, the thing I really noticed 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:23.160 was that the score by Gerry Goldsmith is doing so 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.640 much work I think to sort of try and be Hitchcockian, right, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.840 It's like it's its own character and it's a very 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:35.040 loud character that won't stop screaming, and it always kicks 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:40.120 in after Catherine is like I enjoyed having sex with him, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.520 It's like what, Like, oh, that's it's like a big 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.320 scary reveal just happened. And it also does that when 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.800 she's like, I was having sex with my girlfriend or whatever. Right, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.400 it did feel like I was trying to put myself 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.520 in brain and I was like, that was supposed to 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.680 be like a huge reveal, right, like her queerness was 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.000 a reveal when it's like you could also watch that 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:09.120 scene and still have it be very Verhoeven exploitative, where 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.040 she like grabs her girlfriend's boom the second she enters 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.280 the room. But it's like you can also watch that 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.120 with goggles. Would be like, oh, okay, she's with someone 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.760 and that is why he's upset. But it's clearly like 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:27.680 he's upset that she's with someone and that person is yeah, 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.719 very upset to him. This movie is so weird. This 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.679 movie is so weird, Jamie, what's your history with it? 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.560 Not much? Um, I've never seen it before we started 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.600 prepping for this episode. It's weird. I feel like Sharon 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.040 Stone is just popping up in my life a lot. Recently. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:51.920 I've gotten many, many recommendations to read her her memoir 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.600 that came out last year, which I haven't started yet, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.120 but I'm very, very excited. And then I also recently 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.600 saw Casino for the first time, and she's amazing in movie. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.320 Because Sarah, you were talking to me about Casino. Yeah, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:08.000 I love her so much in Casino. She's amazing Casino. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.840 If you've seen bass against inco, watch Casino and see 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.400 what it's like when Sharon's giving it a percent right 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.720 and like she's given like a part that's maybe a 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.880 little more cogent um. But but yeah, I don't know. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.400 I've been in a Sharon state of mind. I was 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.959 very ready and excited for this. And also Paul Verhoeven 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.480 just came out with a new movie that I want 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:34.400 to see, Benedetta. It's a lesbian nun thriller, so I 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.960 will be seeing that and hopefully, Well this is interesting 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.360 too because it's like he's returning to lesbians. I hope 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:47.400 he does a good job. Growth is important. Yeah, we'll see. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.160 I know it's it's it's so I've got a series 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.920 of He's tricky, He's tricky. This is the second for 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.320 Hoven movie we've covered on the show. We covered Starship 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.760 Troopers last year, which um is an extremely different movie, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.120 but there are still themes that kind of crossover in 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.440 most of his work, and I'm interested to talk about 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.760 how this movie depicts police work. Also, like there's just 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.679 there's just a lot going on. I don't know how 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.040 to feel about any of it. My take I I've 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.600 done a ton of research and done a ton of reading, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.880 which I know how to do. Congrats. My takeaway is 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.960 that I love Sharon Stone. So we're gonna have to 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.080 really tease this apart today. Caitlin, what's your history with 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.480 Basic Instinct? My history is that I saw Hot Shots 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.040 Part Do as a child, a movie I watched over 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.880 and over and over again, which very heavily spoofs. It's 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.880 a spoof. It is a spoof, not specifically of Basic Instant, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.800 because it's spoofs a bunch of different movies of that era. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.480 Oh it's so it's like that, it's sort of like, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.360 what are those other like like scary movie, scary movie, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:02.040 but like the Leslie Nielsen movie. Yeah exactly, yes, So, um, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.559 I'm learning anyway, the very famous scenes in Basic Instinct 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.280 are heavily referenced in Hot Shots Part Do, but I 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.760 didn't understand the references to Basic Instinct or any of 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.400 the other movies it's spoofs until years later when I 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.000 finally got around to watching all those other movies. But anyway, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.440 so a lot of the like famous imagery from Basic 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.520 Instinct I was very familiar with. And then when I 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.400 saw the movie for the first time, which was I 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.600 think I was in college, I was like, Oh, that's 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.280 what Hot Shots Part Do was referencing. So I saw 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.719 I so funny. What are the things that it's specifically 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:46.960 spoofs in this The scene where you see Sharon stones vagina, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.120 the scene that I just kept referring to that as 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.719 thus seen because I had not seen this movie and 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.199 everyone knows that scene right, it's like the chess Burster 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.280 an alien, it's that big of a surprise. And Hot 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.199 Shots Part Do, however, you that's shot differently. It's shot 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.880 with the woman from behind and you just see her 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:12.199 leg very um exaggeratedly lift up over her head to 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.280 like cross to the other side. That's pretty good. And 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.160 then there's a sex scene and Hot Shots Part Do 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.720 where she's having sex with Charlie Sheen is unfortunately in 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.800 the movie, and she ties his arms to the bed 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:33.240 post with this white silk scarf, and then she is 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.600 like reaching for something and you're like, oh my god, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.120 what's she reaching for? And then she grabs a screwdriver 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.040 and kind of unscrews part of the bed frame to 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.640 make it creakier so that when they continue to have sex, 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:50.680 it's like way more like you have to have hot 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.480 shots part do because those movies can get pretty like 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.840 gnarly and exploitative and like really bad. And that sounds 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:02.320 just like I think he's just like superhand in this. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.360 what if Catherine was just really handy. Does either of 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:10.360 you ever watch those thumb movies? Yes? Oh my god, 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.480 And I took foreverard to download to thumb Wars. There's 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.320 a Caitlin I should show in thumb Tanic. Yes, there's 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.320 it's a series. It's it's the thumber Verse. But it's 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.040 like a series of spoof movies where it's just like 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.920 a spoof movie but only with thumbs. It was really funny. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.440 Me and my cousins used to watch thumb Wars long 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.840 before I saw actual Star Wars. I thought I saw 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.920 thumb Wars many times beautiful, and it's just as good. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.880 So in conclusion, I saw Basic for the first time 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.560 in college. I saw it again. I think I rewatched 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.920 it right when we covered Fatal Attraction, because I get 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.040 those two movies confused a lot because they're both Michael 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.200 Douglas and it's both about a scary woman who murders 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.160 and who wants to have sex with Michael Douglas for 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.840 some reason. Right, It's it's like literally, it's like, oh, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.480 Michael Douglas is a character who's threatened by a woman's agency, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:13.080 but it turns out he's right. That's a classic class 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.040 So sorry, the movie was called thumb Wars the Phantom Cuticle. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.600 Pretty funny. I love it. It's pretty great. Sorry, Okay, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.880 I done so anyway. Yeah, I had seen Basic Instinct 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.720 a couple of times before prepping, and I've seen it 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.320 twice since we started prepping. And I, similarly, who don't 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.520 really know what to make of this movie. I'm kind 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.800 of all over the place. There's so much to unpack. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.760 I feel like my notes are so long, and yet 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.920 I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. Like it 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.960 sounds like we're all kind of on the same page here, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.240 of like, well, let's just talk about it and see 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.640 what happens. You got us for Hoven uh for. Movies 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.560 are honestly very hard to cover on this show. That 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.960 makes sense. Um, so we're going to try. Let's take 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:10.840 a quick break and then I'll get into the recap. Wait. Sorry, 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.080 I'm like the guy who wrote thumb Wars has written 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:19.000 so many famous movies. What written He wrote The Nutty Professor, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.720 he wrote Patch Adams, he wrote Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.280 He wrote Kung Pau Enter the Fist, which I used 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:33.320 to really love. And he wrote Bruce and Evan Almighty Wow, 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.080 and also, most famously, thumb Wars. I am interested in 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.200 thumb Tanic. It's pretty good. All the next time I 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.600 come over, I'll it's got to be somewhere. I'll find it. Okay, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.720 I'll pay money to rent it. Let's charge it to 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.600 the Yeah, that's what Patreon money is for to watch tank. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.400 I think our our matron's will will understand. Maybe maybe 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.640 that's what we could cover for our for our Titanic episodes, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:04.240 because we're running out of Titanic content. UH speak for yourself. Sorry, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:10.640 you're right. Yeah, it's on YouTube in full. Okay, perfect. Okay, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:17.840 So here's basic instinct and I'll place a trigger warning 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.680 at the top here because, um, there is a rape 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:27.440 scene in the movie. Okay, So we open on a 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.480 woman having sex with a man. We never quite see 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.919 her face because her blonde hair of obscuring it. We 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.680 see her tie up the man's hands with a white 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.879 silk scarf. Then she pulls out an ice pick and 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:48.560 stabs him repeatedly to death. Titanic reference. Um oh, because 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.680 of the ice pick slash iceberg. Yeah, maybe if the 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.040 that the joke going there was maybe if they had 0:17:55.160 --> 0:18:00.840 nice pick they could on board. She would have been like, oh, man, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.399 I love doing this, sice a whole glacier guest for 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:10.399 me exactly. Wow, makes you think. Then we cut two. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:15.640 Detective Nick Curran played by Michael Douglas and his partner 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.439 Gus Moran there at the scene of the crime. We 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.879 are in San Francisco, by the way. The victim, Johnny Boss, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.160 was last seen the night before with his girlfriend Katherine Trammel. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.960 So Nick and Gus go to Katherine's house to question her. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.640 She isn't there, but Katherine's friend Roxy is, and Roxy 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:43.160 directs them to where Katherine is, which is like her 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.600 second home summer where she's being hot on a balcony. Right, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.160 Nick and Gus Fine, Katherine trammel Um. She is Sharon Stone. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.400 Of course, she's very sultry and sexy, and she has 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.520 the same exact hey and body type and skin color 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:07.400 as the lady who murdered Johnny Boss. I wonder if 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.199 she did it, which is so wild, you're like she 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:17.160 and she did. And then Catherine tells the detectives, Yeah, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.520 I was fucking that guy, but I didn't go home 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.520 with him and I didn't kill him. Now go away. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.920 That's a fun place to start the movie, where she's 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.919 just I mean and and yes does the movie ultimately 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.440 undercut the fact that she enjoys sex and isn't ashamed 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.639 to admit it and implies that if you, if that's you, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:44.320 you two could be a murderer. But I really enjoyed 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.080 her like delivery in that scene, and when she's just 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.919 like telling, like Sharon Stone telling to cops to go 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.480 funk themselves is an inherently satisfying experience, no matter the 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.199 subtext of what the movie wants me to think I 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.000 like to see her neg cops. I hope that if 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.000 ever I have the misfortune of having to interact with 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.640 a cop, I have the guts to say, I don't 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.959 want to talk to you, fuck off and get the 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.840 funk outta here. I mean, she's also yeah, she's also 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:16.880 protected by a lot of privilege, but it's still very 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.320 cathartic to watch. Yeah, they got to go on a 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.680 tour of all her real estate before they meet her 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.280 and see all her sports cars in the driveway. Yeah, 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:31.040 they're like, oh, she's got holdings, she's got a Picasso. Yeah. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.520 So then they leave at her request, and Nick goes 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.200 to see a counselor Beth played by Jean triple Horn 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.960 awesome name, who he is mandated by Internal Affairs to 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.720 see for reasons that we don't yet know. They're talking 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.639 and he refers to the sexual relationship he used to 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.240 have with Beth, and then she tells him that she 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:58.399 still misses him so already, Like it's so funny. There's 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.480 like police corruption for the jump where they're like, okay, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.760 so everyone in the office is aware of this relationship, 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.760 which we find out right away, and his him keeping 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.719 his job relies on you know, him remaining in her 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.000 good favor or her being hung up on him, and 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.560 everyone's like, yep, that's fine, that's which, I'm sure, which 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.399 which is like, I'm sure not too far from the truth. Na, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:31.399 your ex girlfriend will be very therapeutic, right. Oh gosh, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.440 there's there's so much this movie's views on psychiatry. There's 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.280 so much yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay. So then Nick 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.439 and Gus go over more details of this case and 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.439 the victim, Johnny Boss, who was a former rock and 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:50.000 roll star. They also discussed Katherine Trammel as a suspect. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.760 She is an author, and it turns out that she 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.880 published a book the year before under a pen name, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:02.320 about a retired rock and all star who gets murdered 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.600 by his girlfriend when she ties up his hands with 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.480 a white silk scarf and stabs him with an ice pick. Amazing. 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:17.120 So Katherine is starting to seem extra suspicious. So then 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.400 Nick and Gus bring Catherine to the station to question 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.719 her on the way. She tells him about a new 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.560 book she's writing about a detective who falls for the 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.720 wrong woman and then she kills the detective. I think 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.960 that there's so many scenes in this movie that I 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.520 know that we um, what have we renamed the bush 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.560 Emmy test? But we could run the bush Emmy test 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.000 on Sharon stone several times in this movie and be like, 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.960 if this were a regular looking person saying these things, 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:47.200 she would be so in jail, Like it's wild how 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.880 in jail she would be? Yeah, absolutely so. Then at 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.280 the police station, the assistant district Attorney A. K Wayne 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:00.879 Knight questions her. Wayne Knight was like cranking out the 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.720 hits in this series of years. Oh yeah, because in 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.320 the next year he's in Jurassic Park and oh my gosh, 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:10.520 he gets to see a vagina and a dinosaur in 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.680 a single calendar year. We should all be so lucky. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.720 So he's questioning her, and this is when we get 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:21.560 the famous Sharon Stone on crosses her legs and flashes 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.240 her volva scene. There's plenty to talk about with this, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.600 we'll get to it. Katherine says, do you think I 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.239 would be so foolish as to murder someone in the 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.719 exact way I described in my book? So she's basically 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.679 using her book as an alibi, which is what a 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.359 few psychologists had said she would do if she is 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:47.680 in fact the murderer right, and even though Catherine passes 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.240 a lie detector test, Nick still thinks that she's lying 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:56.160 and that she is probably guilty, especially because of some 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.800 deaths in the past that Catherine could be linked to, 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.639 such as her parents died in a voting accident, a 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:06.240 professor she had in college was murdered, and a boxer 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.120 boyfriend died while they were dating. To quote her, everyone 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:16.800 I love dies and she doesn't seem to be wrong there, 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:21.600 And Stephen Tobolski is there, which I think is fun. Yes, yes, 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.919 I didn't see that coming. That's yet another thrilling basic 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.960 instinct twist. He's also having a good couple of years, 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.120 because he's in Groundhog Day right around this time, being 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.680 ed Ryerson. Well, I'm glad that the boys are thriving 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.440 in the early nineties. Good for them. The white men 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.240 are having a blast. I think that they're still doing 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:47.040 well to this day. Yeah, I think you may be right. Um, Okay. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:52.400 So that night Nick goes home with Beth the counselor, 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:57.159 and then again trigger warning for rape, he rapes her. 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.560 Although the movie is as I'm concerned, treats this as 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.440 a consensual sex scene, I think that there's a there's 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.240 a well, let's we'll get to that conversation. We'll get 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.640 to it. Yeah, yeah, I felt a little bit differently, 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:14.400 but I see what you're saying. Then Nick tails Katherine 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.280 for a while. There's a scene where she's driving like 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.679