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Speaker 2: Doalks look at us now? Tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 2: our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we

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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat a Gobble Gobble to the Oh

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Speaker 2: friggin yeah, Hey, how about it Thanksgiving Holiday edition? Gonna

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Speaker 2: put our hands on the mail bag. Well, we do

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Speaker 2: have a lot of male viewers, so I guess it

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Speaker 2: would make sense. Hey, it's Morning Combat. Welcome in Brian

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Speaker 2: Campbell right here. You know, the guy next to me,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, from the nation's capital. It's the day after

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving twenty twenty three. It's a Friday. You're probably in

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Speaker 2: line at Best Buy because that's how you get down.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure our competitors in this space are at

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Speaker 2: home with their family. Luke Thomas, you know, Thanksgiving is

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Speaker 2: my favorite holiday. And as people watch this right now,

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Speaker 2: it's twenty four hours away, by the way, from the

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Speaker 2: final Showtime Boxing pay per view on Saturday, Go Showtime

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Speaker 2: Benavidez versus Andrade. But you know you fancy yourself a

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Speaker 2: Turkey Day connoisseur as well. Luke. We're recording this in

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Speaker 2: the space time continuum before to be seen after, but

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Speaker 2: it was recorded before. How fired up were you for

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Speaker 2: this year's Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Pretty fired up? It was hosted at my house, you know,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned it today, we're recording it. It is

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Speaker 2: Forgive me for being a gringo and being an ignorant

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Speaker 1: Because that's why not quite not quite Cuban style a

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, what does that mean? What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Turkeys serve two ways. One will just be baked relatively

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Speaker 1: rope a vieha? No? No, So it literally translates to

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Speaker 1: old clothes, but It's basically when you get shredded beef

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Speaker 1: It's the it's currently sitting in a brine bath right now.

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Speaker 2: So you know what, this not only sounds delicious, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean here's the thing I always say

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I called my grandmother, my mema okay,

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Speaker 1: Just pretends it's tasty. And I'm like, dude, why don't

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Speaker 2: Turkey has always been lame and overrated. My family loves

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Speaker 2: it's about the fixings. We'll get into that on this

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Speaker 2: holiday mail Bag edition, where we have solicited your questions

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Speaker 2: curated by our own Mikey Moore Mile of CBS Sports

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Speaker 2: I'm the Ones twos. We hope that you are in

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Speaker 2: the process of enjoying a fantastic holiday weekend, unplugging from

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Speaker 2: Turkey Day Luke is an intrinsically American experience, but is

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Speaker 2: there a Colombian correlation to a celebration of breaking bread

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a direct corollary that I know of. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Let me just tell you, Oh yeah, just like that

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Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, I think you just tripped over those hard

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Speaker 2: Of course. Yes, yes, yes, oh Toky Luke does has

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Speaker 2: has the Tukes found joy and Thanksgiving? Is it? Is

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, where I come from, Luke, we care

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Speaker 1: I told you when I when I went from Washington,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you you took from them, though you took y'all.

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Speaker 2: when you're watching this Morningcombat Dot Store, we've got according

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Speaker 2: Yah, that's what I'm talking about. Morning Coombat, Dot Store.

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Speaker 2: Get this mug. Actually, this monk's too small. Don't get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, off RJ. How about you sell all these right here? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Just try them out the window. Malka won't notice.

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Speaker 2: This one's from at Johnny one thirty eight one thirty eight,

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Speaker 2: wants to know. He says, Happy Thanksgiving to both of us,

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Speaker 2: So that's great. He wants to essentially a power ranking

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Speaker 2: of our top five Thanksgiving foods. This included concludes, He says,

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Speaker 2: main courses and sides. I always appreciate the content and laughs.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Cannibal Corpse's best album is Tomb of.

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Speaker 1: The Mutal Mutilated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you agree with Johnny there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is He's right now.

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Speaker 2: Serious question here, Luca, Seriously, what makes that better than

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Speaker 2: the other one? Seriously?

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Speaker 1: What is it that you're gonna laugh at this? But like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: their lyrics have gotten significantly tamer over time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what themes if they're not talking about urine in

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Speaker 2: the bloodstream, Luke, what themes are they on too? Now?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Pull up?

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Speaker 1: Let me pull up the track the Tomb of the

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Speaker 1: Mutilated track list here, I'll tell you so. This album

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Speaker 1: is the one that has their biggest song, hammer Smashed Face,

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Speaker 1: which is literally about it. It is literally, let me

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Speaker 1: Blood on this album as well. Post Mortal Ejaculation is

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Speaker 2: And this is the worst Thanksgiving list of all time. Luke,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because what you're gonna do, Now, here's what

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Speaker 2: A good, legitimate Mima's turkey dinner, and my mom makes

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Speaker 1: On things Thanksgiving, foods are not that good. They're not

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Speaker 2: That's the only issue here is that the main course,

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Speaker 2: That's what your American luke with pride for my high

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Speaker 1: I didn't know we were doing desserts, all right.

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Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, that's that's for women, Luke. And that's no

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Speaker 1: That's not much.

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Speaker 1: You know this guy watches an unbelievable amount of pornography.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys think John Jones is at

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Speaker 1: But you know, Brian Campbell, I really don't like you,

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Speaker 2: Hulkman two forty five.

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Speaker 1: This guy's got the worst physique on Earth. I guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: What is going to be the next big change in

432
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Speaker 2: the UFC or MMA? Well, look, I think Belatour and

433
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: PFL getting together is a pretty damn big change, Luke.

434
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Speaker 2: I was that did you hear Don Davis chat with Aeriel.

435
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 2: Did you actually listen?

436
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the whole thing, but I did hear

437
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: parts of it.

438
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: Look, promoters at their best are used car salesman's that

439
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: that just can charm you and fire you up or whatever. Right, Like,

440
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: I get it. This guy's a successful businessman, no different.

441
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 2: But he really made me want to like believe in

442
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: his cause and like the company and the vision that

443
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 2: he has. After that, Like, it was a really strong

444
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: presentation in a field where we normally just expect these

445
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: guys to be crooks and we're just waiting for the lie.

446
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he lands this plane perfectly, Luke. He

447
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 2: may not be Sully Sullenberger, but he does have access

448
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: to a lot of money. And I just think the presentation,

449
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: like for all you and I did to react to

450
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: PFL and belatour merging, we didn't really know all the facts.

451
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 2: We're trying to figure it out. Hearing him lay it out,

452
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 2: it almost made sense. Is that crazy?

453
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: It didn't make much sense to me, But you know,

454
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Speaker 1: I've got some more questions for well, as you're watching this,

455
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: probably today is the day of the PFL event in DC,

456
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Speaker 1: So maybe today, I'll get some answers to those questions.

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think some of it made sense, but

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, in general, it's like we have five fighting franchises.

459
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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you don't need that get you just

460
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: need one successful one.

461
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: Because eat into each other like it. It's that's just

462
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: do this walking around.

463
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Speaker 1: Tell me tell me your favorite fight from the uh

464
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Speaker 1: the their version of the Contender series, the one that

465
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Speaker 1: aired on FUBA.

466
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna watch it until they

467
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Speaker 2: give me.

468
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Speaker 1: Then what then? What is this? Then? What is this?

469
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: It is nothing.

470
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: It is behind that's extraneous parts of the overall presentation,

471
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Speaker 2: which is we've listed five, which is we have inhaled

472
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Speaker 2: this bellatour roster. And even though I know you guys

473
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Speaker 2: don't want us to have two brands, because you're assuming

474
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Speaker 2: that means we're just gonna split the roster, it seems

475
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: the reality is that he said, uh, the fighters will

476
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Speaker 2: have the choice of either entering the tournament mode with

477
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Speaker 2: traditional PFL or being a one off fighter for bellatur

478
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Speaker 2: and you know where you could fight for titles or whatever.

479
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: But you're you're only fighting twice a year on that side,

480
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: like the fighters are going to get to decide what

481
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Speaker 2: is the best path for them. That's that's kind of interesting.

482
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: That's not all like, that's new and fresh and not awful,

483
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying here.

484
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Speaker 1: That's what they say. I'd be very curious to see

485
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Speaker 1: what the actual reality is because they'll have to manage that.

486
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Speaker 1: If everyone decides they don't want to fight in Belatore,

487
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: If everyone decides that they do, your system doesn't work.

488
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Speaker 1: So that's going to have to be managed in leverage.

489
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Speaker 1: I don't quite believe that.

490
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, whether or not this Pelator PFL discussion

491
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Speaker 2: signifies the next big change in the UFC or mma, Luke,

492
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Speaker 2: how would you answer Hulkman's question, what do you think

493
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: is the next big change? And that seems very generic,

494
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 2: So which way a you're going to go with this?

495
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Speaker 1: I think that the next big change is all likely

496
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Speaker 1: going to be a function of what happens with this lawsuit,

497
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: the fighter class action lawsuit. Just this week we found

498
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Speaker 1: out we thought before there would have to been a

499
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Speaker 1: secondary case, the Cajun Johnson case, that they would have

500
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: to win in order to get injunctive relief. And if

501
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: you're asking what that is, that's the ability for the

502
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Speaker 1: court to then change the UFC's business practices, not just

503
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Speaker 1: award a certain amount of money. But now it turns

504
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: out that they don't. They only have to win the

505
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Lee versus ZUFA case, the original one from twenty eleven

506
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen basically, and if they win on those terms,

507
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: they will be granted injunctive relief. And again, maybe they

508
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: all settle, and that's other part too, BC. Maybe we

509
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: don't even go to trial, but we got a settlement,

510
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: and in that settlement we get some measure of financial

511
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: compensation for these guys, which I don't think is that

512
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but some measure of a change

513
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Speaker 1: in business practices as they seek to avoid trial. I

514
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: don't know, one way or the other. Some resolution is

515
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: going to happen there, and I think that's going to

516
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Speaker 1: be the next big change.

517
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Speaker 2: YEA, that could be. It could be very well. In

518
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: a good transition from this point back into the PFL

519
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: discussion comes to us from at sense A John eighty four.

520
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Speaker 2: Question for you both, if you ran the PFL, what

521
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: would be your plans for Belltour in the first year

522
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: of acquisition? Immediately folded, immediately emerge the rosters. So but

523
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: look the way that he broke it down, meaning Don

524
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: Davis when talking to Aerial on the MMA Hour, was

525
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: that the fighters, like I said, would have the choice

526
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Speaker 2: to go either way, and that they still want to employ.

527
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: They still want to have it all. Basically, they want

528
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: to have their regular season playoff meritocracy things so they

529
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: can boast that they're fighter first and all that, which

530
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: is cool. I like that. But then they also want

531
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: to be able to pair exciting names against each other

532
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Speaker 2: in the two pay per view cards that they promised,

533
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: and then they want to have the ability to roll

534
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: out really fun fights for titles using the already established

535
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Speaker 2: Belatour brand. And I don't I think that's the reason

536
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: why they've kept it around is because, and we hinted

537
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: at this the other day, Bellatour has made successful inroads

538
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: throughout parts of Europe where the brand is you know,

539
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: mean something. I mean, look at the shows in Dublin

540
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's like a packed house.

541
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure I believe that.

542
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: Hey whatever, that's the way they're saying it. So my

543
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: point here is, I don't know what my point was, Luke,

544
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: but that's what that's what their plans are for year one.

545
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: So this question is what would be our plans? You're saying,

546
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: so you see no value? Okay, here's the question I'll

547
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: ask you. Do you see any value in the way

548
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: Don Davis is laying it out that they essentially want

549
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: to be just that all those things at once, but

550
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: still be the same company.

551
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: You can't. You have to pick dude. I mean, just

552
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: this whole strategy is quite ludicrous. And let me just

553
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: put my chips on the table now. It will not last.

554
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: It will not last. This is not a thing that

555
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: they're going to scale up from. And if they scale

556
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: from it, that's not gonna last either. This there will

557
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: be a contraction. They will remove several of these pillars,

558
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: if not nearly all of them, to protect this brand.

559
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It's so confusing and so myriad. You

560
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: have no idea, as a fight fan, what actually you're

561
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: tuning in for or what you're discovering when you do this.

562
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: You're not finding a single solitary identity. And of course

563
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: the UFC at this point has as a vast array

564
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: of different types of products. That's also true, but they've

565
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: only done that after they had a single solitary product

566
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: that took off first, and then they began to branch out.

567
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: Just branching out, and the way that you're doing and

568
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: having this confuse used mixed product which you're not sure

569
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: which end is what and what matters more than the other.

570
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: This is a doomed and failed strategy from the word go. Also,

571
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: let's be curious about let's be clear about something too.

572
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: I looked up how much Viacom bought Belatore for in

573
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, and the answer was about fifty million dollars.

574
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: They sold for not much more than that. In fact,

575
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Don Davis told Aria Hajwane that they didn't even put

576
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: up any cash, They just gave them stock options. Dude,

577
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: Bellatour was not a success. It was a failure. We

578
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: should just say that out loud. It was a failure

579
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: in basically every way. It did not achieve what it

580
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: was supposed to achieve. It does not have a fan base.

581
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: And this idea that you can go to Ireland and

582
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: you have to have the Belatour brand on there to

583
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: do well is just total bullshit. All you have to

584
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: do is have the same fighters you had on there,

585
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: and then a decent promotional effort and you'll be just fine.

586
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: You'll do as well, if not better. Also, I looked

587
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: up Bellatore's old ratings on Spike. Dude, they were clearing,

588
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, well above nine hundred thousand. At times they

589
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: were doing fifteen percent of that by the time everything

590
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: wound its way to showtime. Why on earth, Why on

591
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: fucking earth would you keep a brand that damaged, that

592
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: dead alive. It makes zero sense at all. Fucking close it,

593
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: fold it, and do something else.

594
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: I'm not as pessimistic as you are, but I understand

595
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: your pessimism, and I think you successfully laid out the

596
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: reasons why. And also let's look at history of people

597
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: who have tried to compete this aggressively against the UFC.

598
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: To literally what Don Davis is saying, he wants to

599
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: be like the co leader in the space and he

600
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: expects to be. So some of this seems like a

601
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: wing and a prayer. I understand what you're saying about

602
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: the brand confusion, but also he's saying that they expect

603
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: to get separate TV deals for both brands. So is

604
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: that a smart long term So, as I said, hold

605
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: on to build the financial infrastructure.

606
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Yes, as I said, previously. The one exception to what

607
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying is if by dividing the product you can,

608
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: at least in the short run, make more money by

609
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: virtue of having different television rights deals in different places

610
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: and using that to make more money than you would

611
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: if you just had a single plot. I can understand that.

612
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: I can understand that as a short term play, but

613
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: even that short term play still doesn't solve for the

614
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: the brand. Like if so I had to ask you,

615
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: you know what the PFL brand is, they're telling you

616
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: it's five different things. Oh, it's the tournament. It's a tournament,

617
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: but really it's not just a tournament. Like they want

618
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: to get the pay per view thing going, that's part

619
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: of it. They want to now have Bellator, that's part

620
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: of it. They want to have international series. And by

621
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: the way, remember part of what Francis is supposed to

622
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: be doing is not just you know, being part of

623
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: the pay per view side. But to now launch PFL Africa,

624
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: is that actually gonna be a thing? Are you gonna

625
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: launch PFL South America? Are you gonna launch PFL issue?

626
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: What timelines? Do you hear the timelines you gave arial

627
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: that they would be popping up around. There'd be a

628
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern one that's gonna launch what next year? He

629
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: thinks one will be two years.

630
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, it's just this enormous brand

631
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: confusion that doesn't make any sense. So I do get

632
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: that in the short run, hey, if we split this up,

633
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: we can make more money while we figure out our

634
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: next move. Fine, I get that, but that doesn't solve

635
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: the other problem. It's only a short term let's say

636
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: two years or less, only a short term play that

637
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: you could do. Beyond that, you have to fold the brand.

638
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.

639
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we got to see I think you know,

640
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: we do have to see the TV deal that he

641
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: said that they would be announcing two weeks after this

642
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: weekend's championship, and did tell Ariel that they want to

643
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: do that Belator versus PFL like launching pay per view

644
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: and like February ideally, but or I don't know if

645
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be a pay per view that wasn't.

646
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Speaker 2: But I get it. I get everything you're saying across

647
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: the board of we got to wait and see, and

648
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: boy is this ambitious, But like, think about it. I've

649
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: already declared that like they either past or fail based

650
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: on their ability to draw free agents. So brand confusion

651
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: aside and also financial reality aside for a second, because

652
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: it only makes sense if they're actually making the money

653
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: to keep all of these boats afloat and do this,

654
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: but if they want to become an attractive base as

655
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: a free agent landing. I do feel like they're making

656
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: the right moves by presenting themselves to be so fighter

657
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: friendly by then saying okay, like are he acknowledged what

658
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: is true? Their regular season format is a freakin you know,

659
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: it's walking into that the Propeller and Raiders are the

660
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: lost arc that that dude took the l on against

661
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: Indie Luke. I mean you're gonna you're getting chewed up

662
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: and spit out. That is not for everyone, and especially

663
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: not fighters that could be leaving the UFC was still

664
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: something left in the tank. But why are you going

665
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: to just put them siphon them through that meat grinder?

666
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: So aren't they presenting a potential home where it looks

667
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: like they have deep financial backing in Saudi Arabia celebrity investors,

668
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: And on top of that, they're saying, if you get

669
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: to the pay per view level, you get fifty to

670
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: fifty revenue split, and whether or not you want to

671
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: be in this meet underseason, we can give you a

672
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: space to fight twice a year in fun, creative matchups

673
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: under the Bellotour brand. Again, I don't know if this works.

674
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the presentation. It doesn't determine or make

675
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: me or make me automatically feel like, yeah, good luck

676
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: to you. I kind of want to sit back and

677
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: see if they can do it, because this is as

678
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: bold as shit Luke, the way they're setting it up.

679
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But only one of these things works to save them.

680
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Only one of these things works. We know for a

681
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: fact the Bellatoor model doesn't work at least in the

682
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: model as I should say, that's not quite right. We

683
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: know for a fact Bellator is a dead product, right

684
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: we know that. We also know that PFL has no

685
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: audience either, no genuine like built in big audience where

686
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: just the PFL brand itself can do anything. Those seasons

687
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: are interesting, but as we've talked about on MK a

688
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: million times, it's a bridge to nowhere. So you've got

689
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: this international series, which I'm not saying that couldn't become anything,

690
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: but right now, it's not anything right.

691
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: You know what can I stop you? Do? You actually

692
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: know what it is? The International Series will be h

693
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: seven of them outside the US, in which you're guaranteed

694
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: to get a bellatur title defended in the main and comin.

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: They'll keep the same divisions as they have now, it seems.

696
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: And if you don't want to go into the regular

697
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: season tournament format, dude.

698
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: This is all. This is all complex, ridiculous bullshit. What

699
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: they're trying to do is like, here's what we're gonna do.

700
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: The UFC is restrictive, so we're just gonna give you

701
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: every option. We're gonna give you the bellotoor option. We're

702
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna give you the overseas option. We're gonna give you

703
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: the tournament option. We're gonna give you the pay per

704
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: view option. We're gonna give you all of these options.

705
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: The only part of that that meaningfully changes their future

706
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: is whether or not the pay per view division can

707
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: get going by having access to the top tier stars

708
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: of the sport. That's it. None of those other things

709
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: make this product work, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

710
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: Not saying you could get interesting fights, you can get

711
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: interesting fights, not saying you can't get a quality product,

712
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: you can get a quality product. You cannot sustain a

713
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts business without access to the I should

714
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: say an international class business, because you can do like

715
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: a King of the Cage thing, but at international class business,

716
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: you cannot do that without access to the very top

717
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: pay per view stars. So this idea like, we're just

718
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna throw the book at you, and you have all

719
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: these different options. Dude, if you have two quarterbacks, you

720
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: have none. If you have five business models, you have none.

721
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: You just echoed what I think is true. The success

722
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: of this long term and this bold attempt to actually

723
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: go head to head with the UFC, which is exactly

724
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: what they're saying they want to do and expect to do.

725
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: I understand the like the reticents to believe that it

726
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: will happen, or that all of these boats will will happen,

727
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: but we're both agreeing that the free agent market will

728
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: define it whether they can become a legitimate free agent landing,

729
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: especially if they're Saudi backed to try to get the

730
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: real big names when they become free agents. That we're

731
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: saying that they're gonna need pay per view stars to

732
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: make all this work. We all agree in that because

733
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: you make your money in pay per view in the

734
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: long run, right, That's how it works, right all the time.

735
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: You know that's worked for showtime boxing too in the

736
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: may when they were in the Mayweather business. That's how

737
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: it worked. You made your money on that, those really

738
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: big ones, and everything else evened out. I believe what

739
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: I just explained to you. Whether or not you believe

740
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: it'll work, isn't that like the perfect landing you would

741
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: want as a free agent. They're telling you you can

742
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: box on the side, and we're not going to get

743
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: in the way of that at all, which is how

744
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: they explained it. And they're offering you a fifty to

745
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: fifty split. Now again, question all you want whether whether

746
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: they'll they'll be able to acquire the big enough stars

747
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: to actually make that a thing. But if you're a

748
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: free agent, Luke, why wouldn't you want that?

749
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Especially as Derek Louis why he didn't want that? Why

750
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: didn't Derek Lewis want that?

751
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: Especially if you were under a restrictive holding with the

752
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: UFC and you've experienced some.

753
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: Of these see why didn't Derek Lewis want that? Well,

754
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: you're telling me is they're going to make an offer

755
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: so attractive they're going to be able to attract free

756
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: agent signings of a big of the the of that

757
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: up tier of the pay per view market. Okay, well

758
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: why haven't they.

759
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Because why haven't because the launch, in my opinion is now, no,

760
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: it's not. I don't think it.

761
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Contracts the UFC has are so restrictive that getting out

762
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: of them on a reasonable timeframe is for the top

763
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: going not not the not the not the we're not

764
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: talking about the brank and file, the top top guys.

765
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: They're hard to get on a free agent basis. They

766
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: don't they don't exist very often, and the right to

767
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: match that the UFC can match any offer that anyone

768
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: else makes. The only question is whether they want to

769
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: or not. So like, this is the point I'm trying

770
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: to make to everyone. Unless there is some kind of

771
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: regulatory change, some kind of government top down authority that

772
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: changes the way the industry functions, none of this ship about.

773
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: We got this beltour approach, we got this international approach,

774
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: we got this year. None of that ship's gonna work.

775
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: None of that.

776
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: Your doubt is essentially rooted in these these guys don't

777
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 2: become free agents. Look at what Francis had to do

778
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: to become a free agent.

779
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: How much money. Think about this for a second. You

780
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: had Belator under the Viacom ownership, so they had what

781
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: they had backing by this multi billion dollar company which

782
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: is now Paramount but at the time and Paramounts bought

783
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: a different structure too than just Viacom. They're not identical companies.

784
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: There's been some change in terms of all the different

785
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: holdings within it. But in twenty eleven in Viacom, think

786
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: about how much money was pumped into that brand in

787
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: terms of all of the attention and hours on Spike

788
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: TV and all of the places that they wanted to

789
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: go and all. I mean, we're talking enormous amounts of manpower,

790
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: enormous amounts of money, enormous amounts of capital and resources,

791
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: and what did it amount to. They ended with a whimper.

792
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: You cannot make an alternate set of MMA heroes. It

793
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work. I've seen it too many times. You cannot

794
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: do it. You can only do it if you take

795
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: your heroes and mix them with the group that whoever

796
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: the public perceives is to be that way, and as

797
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: long as they remain under large lock and key, none

798
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: of this shit is going to work, dude. The lesson

799
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: of the lesson less thing, the lesson of belatour for

800
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: everyone should be, it doesn't matter how who owned you, know,

801
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: how big the corporate backing is, who owns you. It

802
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much money you spend. It doesn't even

803
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: matter how good your roster is, because the roster was

804
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: really good. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters

805
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: is your access to the top stars.

806
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Right, but you said it doesn't matter how much money

807
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: you spend, Well, I think how much money you spend

808
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: directly correlates to your ability to grab those big stars.

809
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: And I just think, and I just don't think we

810
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: have had a financial partner in the combat sports space

811
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: that could as dramatically shift the balance of power. And

812
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't mean shift it to where pfl's number one. Ever.

813
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for like a WCW near takeover of

814
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: WWF historically and how we look at this, but like,

815
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: could they have moments, could they make an inn roads here?

816
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: I think that the times have changed. If a fighter

817
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: is going to try to in some form do what

818
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: Francis did and take a stand and go through the

819
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: free agent process, I'm not. I agree with you. It's

820
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: not easy, but if anyone was ever going to do it,

821
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: it would be now after the success Francis just had.

822
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: I understand how much the UFC would aggressively try at

823
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: every turn to resign them before their deal is up.

824
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Offer them the world, go above and beyond all of that. Like,

825
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm sure they would aggressively play in that space. But

826
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: we've never had this discussion when the other side had

827
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: had the Saudi connection, because look, that is next level money.

828
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: See you see they have the Saudi connection. Now, why

829
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: didn't Derek Lewis sign?

830
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that's one person who I the company that he

831
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: knows he can get us.

832
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm actually because I don't remember when was

833
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: the Francis PFL announcement. How long ago was that? Was

834
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: that like six months ago something like that? Something?

835
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a long time ago.

836
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean they haven't signed one fucking per

837
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: And it's not because they don't have the money. It's

838
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: not because they don't have the money. This is the

839
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make to everyone. People are like, oh, well,

840
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: no one else can afford, Like who could afford a

841
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Nate DZ. Dude, PFL can afford Nate ds They've got cash, Dude,

842
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: They've got cash. They can afford him. Now, Nate's a

843
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: different situation because he is free, and I don't know

844
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: how he wants to pick his time, and maybe he

845
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: goes to PFL. I don't know, but you know he's a.

846
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: Case fifteen million at stake if he wants to fight.

847
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: This is my point. They all they if they want

848
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: to pay for you, they can pay for you. But

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: the issue is if the contract makes these guys on

850
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: the carousel of availability so few and far between that

851
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: it basically doesn't even matter what It doesn't matter how

852
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: much money you have.

853
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: Now that you're right that that regard, you're one hundred

854
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: percent right. But they also look, One Championship has a product.

855
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: I know it's all called one Championship in the end,

856
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: but they're mixing different sports in there. You're saying, because

857
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: it's the same brand, the same no confusion, that it's

858
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter comparatively to what they might try to

859
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: do here.

860
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: I would just say this, let's let's posit a different question. Right,

861
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: Let's posit a different question, which is imagine that the

862
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: fighter lawsuit already finished, and then the judge came down

863
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: and said, Hey, every UFC contract is going to have

864
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: an expiration of two years, no matter what. Right. I mean,

865
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: you can choose, you can choose to extend, like you

866
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: you could stay with the UFC all you want, but

867
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: the contract has to end after two years. Now what

868
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: does that do? Well, now, motherfucker, that's a different ballgame.

869
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a completely different ballgame because now guys

870
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to do the Canelo thing a

871
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: little bit. Not quite like Canelo. He's a special case,

872
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: but in the sense of I'm gonna give you three

873
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: fights that I'm gonna give you three fights, that I'm

874
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna give you three fights. People. I made a point

875
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I think yesterday or Tuesday, and I had said,

876
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, like, if you look at Bellatoor, PFL and

877
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: one one appear appears to be in like serious financial

878
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: peril and they may not make it out of the

879
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: year unless they get some other Katari investment. And so

880
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, the three biggest shows outside the UFC

881
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: don't make money. And people were responding, well, then this

882
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: should tell you just how good Dana White and co are.

883
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, let's flip it. Let's flip it. Imagine

884
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: we have the exact same scenario, exact same rules, exact

885
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: same contracts. Dana White all of a sudden gets fired

886
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: from UFC and decides to run one. He can't save them.

887
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Have him run PFL. He can't save them. Have him

888
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: run Bellator. He can't save it. These things cannot be

889
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: saved because the industry is so tilted in such a

890
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: way it's almost, I'm not gonna say impossible for those

891
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: brands to make money, but very very very very difficult

892
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: that even the best minds with huge financial backing, even

893
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: they can't make money. That's a scary proposition about how

894
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: the industry is regulated.

895
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: Can though, Can PFL have a flash? Can they have

896
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: a four or five year period where they're not they're

897
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: not competing, they're not on even terms with UFC, But

898
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: they're making so much noise and they're splashing the pots

899
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: so aggressively that maybe financially it'll never work out, It

900
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: will never be able to be sustainable. But can they

901
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: are Do you think they're willing to go like all

902
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: in all in to like have a three four year

903
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: run where they're making progress, where they're knocking hard on

904
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 2: that door. They don't get there, but they're listen.

905
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: They've got Jake Paul. I don't know what that's going

906
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: to do for them, you know, but it remains to

907
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: be seen. He has done well ish, you know, he's

908
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: done well on pay per view. I would say he's

909
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: done well. They've got Francis, that's something. If they can

910
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: sign Nate, that'd be big. You know. There's a couple

911
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: of different moves they've made that I do think are

912
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, and I do think by the way, I'm

913
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: not like pooh poohing the idea of signing Bellator like

914
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: or are buying it or whatever. I don't think that's

915
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I just a question of what you're

916
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: supposed to do with that, you know. I do think

917
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: that buttressing your your roster with what they've got do.

918
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: They signed a bunch of good fighters all like that.

919
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very valuable thing, but that is

920
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: not enough to really get you over the hump. The

921
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: question you're asking is like, can they take that into

922
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: over the next few years. I think that they have to.

923
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I think that they have to. I don't think they

924
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: have a choice. You're to get venture capital money forever,

925
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: you got to do something with it.

926
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Davis was saying he in his perfect world,

927
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: it would be in Ghanu versus Wild their first quarter

928
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: in a mixed rules match, and he did see him

929
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: because here's how he said. He said, they're going to

930
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: do two pay per views, one early, one in the

931
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: first quarter, one in the fourth one. And he already

932
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: said Jake Paul needs a full year to train MMA,

933
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: so he would be the last one. And he said

934
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: even though Francis can make his own call on whether

935
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: he's going back to regular boxing or doing this, that

936
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: he feels confident, which probably, if you read between the lines,

937
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: means they feel like they can offer Francis enough to

938
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: get him to turn this way. But like, again, I'd

939
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: be more interested in Francis versus Wild they're in a

940
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: boxing match right now than I would be in this

941
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: equally as weird, but also I need to see Mixed

942
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: rules four on sclove. Basically in MMA, what would you

943
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: think it would be an MMA fight with no takedowns

944
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: or something.

945
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: Something like that. And by the way, people are like, oh,

946
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would mean. What would it

947
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: mean you know what it would mean, motherfucking chaos Godzilla

948
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: versus Mathra.

949
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: Count Yeah, it would be chaos.

950
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Count me. The people acting like they wouldn't want to

951
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: see Francis and Ganu and Deontay Wilder in four ounce gloves,

952
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of Yes.

953
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: You would, Okay, but would you rather see a boxing

954
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: match right now? I'd rather see a boxing match.

955
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm not saying it's the best choice.

956
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, it's like Thanksgiving, right, you go

957
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: over there. Okay, it's not the number one or number

958
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: two seed, but if number three is all you got,

959
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll take a number three seed.

960
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: Sure. Your top five look like it looked like more

961
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: like a sixteen seed, Luke, Okay, look like Prince.

962
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: Hey. Sometimes sometimes the sixteen seed can upset the one seed.

963
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: Huh how about that?

964
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: You remember that what was it the eighty nine tournament

965
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: where number sixteen Princeton lost by one to Georgetown? Do

966
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: you remember that game?

967
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't.

968
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: I don't know that was that was a big deal

969
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: back then, Luke, Alonzo Morning's freshman year. Whatever. Hey, let's

970
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: go over to at UFC one two, three, five?

971
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: Is this Dana.

972
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Would you rather write the greatest book, the greatest movie,

973
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: or the greatest song of all time? Luca, You've got

974
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: to go greatest song right there, because people like, dude,

975
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: a great song. You you feel it, you you wear it, you,

976
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: you spend portions of your life living it. You know

977
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I know, I know a damn book

978
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: can still move a mother effort, but I don't have

979
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: the stamina anymore to do that old school technique. Okay, look,

980
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: give me the song that's cooler. Obviously it's cooler.

981
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's definitely I agree with you that it's

982
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: definitely not movie. But I am torn between book and

983
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: song because a book, Dude, I don't know, like you

984
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: don't read books, so this is hard for me to

985
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: explain to you. But like you've okay, let me ask you, like,

986
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: have you do you have a favorite book? Even if

987
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. Was there a book

988
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: that read there was a good question? Is this good question?

989
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Is this?

990
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: Was there a book that you read that really changed

991
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: your perspective on something or made you like it sat

992
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: with you for a while. Did you have an experience

993
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: like that?

994
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: Even though it never led me to attempt to shoot

995
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: anyone a catcher in the rye had had like that

996
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: turning point impact of like, oh man, this is a

997
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: different style of writing that I never necessarily considered. And

998
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: there was a little bit edgy and you know, appealed

999
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: to that wayward team inside of all of us. That

1000
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: upriser twenty thousand leagues under the sea as a kid

1001
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: was was like phenomenal. Oh, I cried my eyes out

1002
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: after reading Charlotte's Web.

1003
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't think. I don't think it's corny at all.

1004
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. You know, A Merchant of Venice

1005
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: was my introduction into Shakespeare. And while I did not

1006
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: go deeply down that road, it was it was something, Luke.

1007
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: It was an event. It was it was all right,

1008
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: you know. But I will say, even though I'm only

1009
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: about what a third or maybe maybe my math isn't good,

1010
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 2: the way through the Dune book by Frank Herbert Luke,

1011
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: it's so insanely great, the way he wrote that, the

1012
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: detail of the I mean, you know, everyone has a

1013
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: great favorite novel, Luke, but that thing is just gripping.

1014
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: So I hope it keeps gripping me harder. You know

1015
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, so.

1016
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: Book and song. I gotta admit the song is pretty great.

1017
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go book. I'm gonna go book. I think

1018
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: the book having something physical you can hold as well,

1019
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, and being able to go back to an

1020
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: individual passage and get something from it. And I mean,

1021
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, what's the greatest

1022
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: I should say, the most influential Between books, movies and songs,

1023
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: What of the three has been the most influential? I

1024
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: would argue the Bible, the Quran. These have been enormously

1025
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: influential factors over human existence in ways that songs simply

1026
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: have not. So I would pick book. I would pick book.

1027
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: Oh luke. I read a book once where a guy

1028
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: froze to death outside. It was like a real famous

1029
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: one you ever read that?

1030
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: It was like a Robert Frost poem?

1031
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: No, No, it was like it was an actual book.

1032
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't know who, yeah, whatever, who's the guy that

1033
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: did that?

1034
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Uh? You mentioned Jules Vernon J D. Salinger as two

1035
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: of your favorite authors.

1036
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I read I read part of their catalog.

1037
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't I don't know if I was, you know whatever,

1038
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm enough on books. Who's got time for that, Luke.

1039
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Know every everyone has time for books, everyone literally literally

1040
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: everyone who's got time for them, Like prisoners, uh, podcast hosts.

1041
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: We worked five minutes a week. You don't have time

1042
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: for books.

1043
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: No. This one's from at Dan Wesley twenty nine to thirteen,

1044
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: Dan Wesley Wesley, any word on MVP signing with the UFC,

1045
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: and if so, how does him versus condom or good lord,

1046
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: it sounds fantastic. Sounds like you UFC three hundred to me. Hey,

1047
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: Don Davis told Ariel Luke that he was under the

1048
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: understand that MVP had signed with the UFC or was

1049
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: about to or something like that.

1050
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, my understanding is that as well that if he

1051
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: hasn't already, it's imminent. But McGregor, you wouldn't like that, dude,

1052
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: or you kidding mcgregors. McGregor's one of these guys. It's

1053
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: like he's like Lesnar, like you could pick you know,

1054
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: not like current Lesner, but you know peak Lesner. How

1055
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: would Peak Lesner do against Peak Tom aspinall, How would

1056
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Peak Lesner do against Daniel Cormier. It's like one of

1057
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: those ones you could like roll out that they're all

1058
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: going to be pretty good versions of something. Don't we

1059
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: want to see MVP versus Wonder Boy. Isn't that the

1060
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: Isn't that the move?

1061
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: Okay, while that would certainly be a move that I

1062
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have an issue with and would obviously get very

1063
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: excited about for the same reasons you would. Him versus

1064
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: Connor at three hundred would be incredible, especially as that,

1065
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: like old UFC veteran has a chance to knock out

1066
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: belator upstart who thinks even though he's not an upstar.

1067
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, MVP's like thirty six to thirty seven at

1068
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: this point.

1069
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's not but you know it's still it's

1070
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: like bell career, bellator guy coming on in. Let's old

1071
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: UFC brand guy who needs a win, like and it's

1072
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: a matchup that either one can win for sure. I

1073
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: mean you could see MVP lighting him up in some ways,

1074
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: just as much as you could see Connor flat line

1075
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: in him. Luke, I don't know if that guy's still

1076
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: in Connor anymore, is it? I mean, Connor's still knock

1077
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: a dude out with one punch, you think in the octagon.

1078
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably probably, I wouldn't. I wouldn't bet

1079
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: against it.

1080
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: It's not physically impossible, but I'm saying, would it happen?

1081
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta say. I was gonna say, you know,

1082
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: MVP versus Mike Perry would be great in MMA, but

1083
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: they already fought bare knuckle and fucking Mike Perry is

1084
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah. Yeah again, I'm I'm I'm great on

1085
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: MVP signing with UFC, Like that's great, but like the

1086
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: McGregor fight was not, Like, wouldn't be my top five choices?

1087
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know all right?

1088
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: This is from at Joshua Low seven three seven six, Hi,

1089
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: Luke and Brian, have either of you ever killed an

1090
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: animal cooked it?

1091
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: And a yes?

1092
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: Hell no? What are you kidding me?

1093
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: You've never gone fishing and then cooked the motherfucking fish.

1094
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: Okay. While I have gone fishing like twice, I did

1095
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: not catch it or no, I caught it one once

1096
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: with rape.

1097
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: Twice Okay.

1098
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: I've appeared at fishing spots highly intoxicated many times. I've

1099
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: actually like tried and held the thing like two and

1100
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: a half times in my life.

1101
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Dude, I have I lived a thousand lives. I can't

1102
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: believe some of the differences in our lives sometimes, dude.

1103
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I've been on a fifty mile canoe

1104
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: trip in the ok Finoki Swamp. That's a real fucking

1105
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: thing I did. Yeah, rain rained, rained every single day,

1106
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: morning tonight, no rest, no respite, no nothing. It was

1107
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: one of the worst, most difficult trips I've ever been on.

1108
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: It was fucking horrible. So I went fishing there a bunch,

1109
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: caught a bunch of stuff, scaled it the whole bit,

1110
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: ate it. I've killed deer and eaten deer, butchered it. Mum,

1111
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: what else have we killed? Actually I killed a rattlesnake

1112
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: once and ate it. That was an interesting It was

1113
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: not very good. It was not very good.

1114
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: So look, it sounds to me that you almost could

1115
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: like compete on Survivor the game show. Now. I know

1116
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: in reality you couldn't because like one night of not sleeping,

1117
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: you you'd turn into a beach and then they'd be

1118
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: like rage against the machine and somebody would die. But like,

1119
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: short of that, it sounds like you have some of

1120
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: those like boy scout natural early man skill.

1121
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I've never told you this. This

1122
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: will this will make you laugh at me. I reached

1123
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: the rank of Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts.

1124
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: This is a revelation. Oh my god, I didn't know this.

1125
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: Now it makes a lot of sense in reality knowing you.

1126
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: But wow, that's actually that's a pretty commendable sword to pull.

1127
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: It actually is, Luke, what you said.

1128
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: That's how I learned. That's how I learned archery. That's

1129
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: how I learned how to make fires. That's how I learned.

1130
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean any number of things you can think of,

1131
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: sure or false.

1132
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: Did your lengthy time in the Scout system in some

1133
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: ways provide a foundation for the transition to the military

1134
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: not being too much for you When you were like,

1135
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: you know what, I could do this. I'm a freaking

1136
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: eagle scout.

1137
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I gotta tell you, like yeah, yeah, it

1138
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: might have like played an influencing role, like yeah, I

1139
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: can do that. But then you get there and you're like,

1140
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: oh shit, this is uh, this is just way fucking harder,

1141
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: Like it's not even like they're people treat it like, oh,

1142
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: if you could do wether, you could do wether. No, no,

1143
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: like that's not really true. Uh yeah, but I did it.

1144
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: I will say I stopped around. I think I want

1145
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: to say I stopped at the end of ninth grade

1146
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: because that's when.

1147
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: I senior year, doesn't it It does?

1148
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: But then a I moved after my tenth grade year anyway,

1149
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: and I think i'd stopped before that because I had

1150
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: begun to be you know, I was like, well, I

1151
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: think I like women more than the company of just

1152
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: other dudes.

1153
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: So you reached Eagle Scout like on a three year

1154
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: advancement plan, like ahead of the normal age.

1155
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I got Eagle Scout. I started doing boy Scouts in

1156
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: fifth grade. I reached Eagle Scout by the end of

1157
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: ninth grade.

1158
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: Yes, you must have some like Bootleg South System where

1159
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a ged equivalent.

1160
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: No, I did it all. You You underestimate me consistently, and.

1161
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: You told me you can in high school, which is.

1162
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why the basic realities of

1163
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: my life and the contours of it are hard for

1164
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: you to. I accept your story as it is. Granted,

1165
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: your story is the you know, the average American loser,

1166
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: and so in that sense, it's.

1167
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Very easy to know it the loser made good.

1168
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know it started

1169
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: hearing it ended up here like the stock is high.

1170
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm just saying, like, this is what

1171
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Man, I've lived I've lived a I guess

1172
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: I've lived a weird life. I don't know, but like,

1173
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: because my life went in so many directions because of

1174
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: who my parents were and then what happened to them

1175
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: and where they went, and I followed. It just went

1176
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: in a bunch of bizarre directions that it probably would

1177
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: never have gone in. But I got experience through all

1178
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: of it, kind of got a taste of what I

1179
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: liked and don't like, and then you know, went a

1180
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: different direction where I was able to like forge my

1181
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: own adulthood after age twenty two or whatever. But yeah,

1182
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I've done all that shit. I've done all that shit. Man. Yeah,

1183
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: it's that trip that canue trip, Dude, That one sticks

1184
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: with me. I remember getting home and like showing all

1185
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: of my like gear to my parents or my mom

1186
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: and my stepdad at the time, and uh, we washed

1187
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: it and washed it and washed it. And we had

1188
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: this happened in the Marine Corps too, with mom of

1189
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: my uniforms. We could not get it clean. Like there

1190
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: was nothing we could do to get that shit clean.

1191
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: We had to throw all of the gear away, all

1192
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: of it. It was all garbage. It was so mildewede

1193
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: ridden and and just so it was like a sponge

1194
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: sitting on your counter. It was awful.

1195
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: Did you ever seriously consider a military career, Luke? I

1196
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: thought you would be somebody who could have thrived in

1197
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: that and then retired at like age forty or something.

1198
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: Right, here's what I thought. I thought I was gonna do,

1199
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: is I'm going to try out the Marine Corps enlisted

1200
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: as I go through college. Right, That's what I'm gonna do.

1201
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: And I thought by the end of that, because there's

1202
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in my unit who were doing

1203
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: the same things. There were guys who when I served with,

1204
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: I was again, I was Hotel Battery through fourteen fourth

1205
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: Marine Division in Richmond, Virginia, and it was an art

1206
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: better than I think. It got converted to a rifle

1207
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: company after I got out. I don't know if they

1208
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: got converted back to artillery. So I think it's just

1209
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: an infantry company now, But back then it was an

1210
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: artillery company. And there were guys who I served with

1211
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: who went to like JMU, Guys who I served with

1212
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: who were students at like Virginia Tech, and I would

1213
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: ask them like, hey, what is your plan when you graduate?

1214
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: And they were all like, I'm just going to go

1215
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: become an officer. And you know, because they were already Marines,

1216
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: they kind of already knew what to expect, and like,

1217
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, they they were able to go really well

1218
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: through OCS Officer Candidate school, and I thought I'll just

1219
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: do that. But then I got to my senior year

1220
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I don't want to go

1221
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: die for George Bush. Like I just don't, you know,

1222
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: I just don't want to do that. And so it

1223
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: turned me in a completely different direction. At that Nine

1224
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: to eleven really changed a lot, probably yeah, And so

1225
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: I just I was like, fuck that, I'm not going

1226
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: to do that. So I just went and figured something

1227
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: else out, and you know, here we are.

1228
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I had gone to the nine

1229
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: to eleven Museum over the weekend in New York with

1230
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: my family and it was insanely moving. But like my

1231
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: wife and I were trying to describe to my kids, like,

1232
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, why it would be so moving for someone

1233
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: our age, you know that they were like, oh were

1234
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: you were you around the buildings when it happened. We're like, no,

1235
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: you know, we're an hour and a half away. But

1236
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, it was obviously like the fear of entering

1237
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: war and having attacks on your own land. But what

1238
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: I was really starting to think about was how many

1239
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: people I knew who like had regular lives before nine

1240
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: to eleven and then like quit their jobs, moved back

1241
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: home and became like full time drunks and like the

1242
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: one to two year after math of that, And that

1243
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: was like a reality of like a lot of people.

1244
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: You know, It's funny as so many people from nine

1245
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: to eleven, you know, they like went and joined the

1246
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: military after that, And you know, I don't want to

1247
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: disparage anybody else's service, like if they feel like they

1248
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: got something out of that, and you know, that's what

1249
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: they wanted to do. Pat Tillman, right, I mean, I

1250
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: know it's a joke here on the show, but that's

1251
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: exactly what he fucking did. But I got to tell you, dude,

1252
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: all of the Marines I knew, all of the Marines

1253
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: I knew who joined after nine to eleven because they

1254
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: felt like there was a sense of purpose. They all

1255
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: regretted it, like every fucking one of them. Every one

1256
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: of them. Not so much the ones who went to Afghanistan,

1257
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: although I would be curious to know what they feel

1258
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: like now. But the ones who went to Iraq, like,

1259
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know any and I must know one hundred

1260
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: people who served in Iraq, I don't know one of

1261
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: them who thought that was a worthwhile use of their time,

1262
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: you know.

1263
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: And people wonder why so many trains break out in

1264
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: those parts.

1265
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: The first time, the first time that happened to me,

1266
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly where it was. I was at

1267
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: twenty nine Palms. I was at an MS school there,

1268
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: and this dude was he His name was Lance, Corporal Vitali.

1269
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: He woke He was from Brooklyn, New York. He woke

1270
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: me up. He was like, Yo, do you want to

1271
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: go do this with us? And I was like, dude,

1272
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: I definitely don't.

1273
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: Don't excuse me, sir, could you take the sex trade

1274
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: with it to another barracks please?

1275
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do this at all.

1276
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, thank you for that. Okay, let's keep

1277
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: this show rolling. On that note, Wow, I don't know

1278
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: where we're going at Gary G eighteen eighteen. Do you

1279
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: think they'll ever be MMA on the holidays, like the

1280
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: NBA on Christmas or the NFL on Thanksgiving. That's great point.

1281
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: I know, the PFL Championships isn't like really big enough

1282
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: where people would like, you know, where people would think

1283
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: of it in those terms. But what if an event

1284
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: like that took place every year on January first, like

1285
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: a bowl game or so.

1286
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: We used to get Japanese New Year in when Pride

1287
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: did it and stuff like that, and then that and

1288
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: then you obviously Dream did it for a little while,

1289
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: and even Rise and tries it. Yes, I see you,

1290
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: but you know the reality is those are fun, but

1291
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: they're just not what they used to be. They used

1292
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: to be gigantic. They used to be huge at MMA,

1293
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: and they had relevant MMA. Now they've got like fun

1294
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: MMA or like semi relevant MMA. It's just not the

1295
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: same thing. But that used to be a big thing.

1296
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's kind of answering his question by himself.

1297
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: As long as the NBA is on Christmas and as

1298
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: long as the NFL is on Thanksgiving, no fight is

1299
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: ever going to compete with it, right, NFL is a

1300
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: juggernaut here and I don't know how Europeans feel about,

1301
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's fucking big here NBA, you know, and

1302
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: they're not putting bullshit games on. They're not putting Wizards

1303
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: versus you know, Pacers, they're putting on Lebron, Steph Curry,

1304
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: all the big stars. So as long as they're doing that, no,

1305
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. But like, would it be cool

1306
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: BC to have a holiday where fighting was the focus

1307
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: of it and everyone rallied around it. I think it'd

1308
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: be sweet. I think it'd be cool as shit.

1309
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you wouldn't count Fourth of July, which is

1310
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: typically like the early part of International Fight Week or

1311
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: sometimes not at all. But you know what I'm saying,

1312
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: it's around the same time. You don't think of fourth

1313
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: of July and think UFC International Fight Week.

1314
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

1315
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they used to do the final, Remember when

1316
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: the final UFC pay per view was always like real

1317
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: close to New Year's Eve?

1318
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there was there was a year there. There

1319
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: was a year there. I forget, Like they put out

1320
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: this great trailer for it where Claig Gida was like

1321
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: burping in it and all this like action was happening,

1322
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: and they had a UFC I think it was not

1323
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: a pay per view, but I think they had like

1324
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: a fight night card on January one, and that was awesome.

1325
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: So it was the morning of January one and you

1326
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: had a brand new UFC event to look forward to

1327
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: that night. That was that day. That was great, That

1328
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: was awesome.

1329
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Would you say that the Lacrosse National Championship Game

1330
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: has Memorial Day on a lockdown?

1331
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: You're messing with your poster, yeah.

1332
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's messing with me, Luke. That's that's Uh,

1333
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: that's something to think about. All right? Uh, Luke, you

1334
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: want to keep going? Are we going to roll?

1335
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: We talked so much Beltore, we can. We should be

1336
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: able to fire through a few more of these.

1337
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: Okay at Brendo one one, three six. Do either of

1338
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: you have any book suggestions on the business of boxing

1339
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: or MMA history and structure, et cetera.

1340
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: On the business that's a little bit. There's no book

1341
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: on the business of boxing.

1342
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: There's probably a million great ones. I just haven't read them.

1343
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1344
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite boxing book?

1345
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not as deep in the because I don't

1346
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: read Lukes. I'm not as deep in this field as

1347
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: like you would hope I would be. I definitely have

1348
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: read some of the classics and have enjoyed them. I

1349
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: mean the Four Kings by George Kimball stands stands alone

1350
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: in most of my brain, Luke, but no, I don't

1351
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: have like a business of boxing. Go to this is

1352
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: the great one.

1353
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,479
Speaker 1: I will say this, So there's if you're talking about

1354
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: the history of MMA, which is not exactly what he's asking,

1355
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: but how it got built. Let's get it on by

1356
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: Big John McCarthy. His book is pretty good for that.

1357
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: I like that book. BC. I just started this one.

1358
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: I cannot give you a review because I don't have

1359
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: I can't I can't review it yet, but I literally

1360
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: just started it this week. Hang on this one Cage

1361
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: Kings by Michael Thompson, And this guy was a hardcore

1362
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: MMA fan turned writer and he's supposed to go into

1363
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: the whole industry and how it got built and everything else.

1364
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not recommending it or not recommending it. I

1365
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: just don't know enough about it because I really just

1366
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: started it.

1367
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: I would read out of that because that's that's the

1368
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: story of the last couple of years leading into the

1369
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: zuofa purchase, and you know, the next couple of years

1370
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: after that does not get told.

1371
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: The subheading of this book, it's called Cage King's. The

1372
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: subheading is we see how an unlikely group of moguls, champions,

1373
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: and hustlers transformed the UFC into a ten billion dollar industry.

1374
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 1: It sounds pretty good. It sounds pretty good, so I'll

1375
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: see how it is. I will say this, The one

1376
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: book I always recommend in martial arts that I read

1377
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: that I loved was on the history of judo. It's

1378
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: called Falling Hard and it's fantastic. It is so fucking good.

1379
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: And they get into the history of how sambo was made.

1380
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: And you may not realize this, the guy who invented sombo,

1381
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Stalin eventually had him killed because Stalin was Joseph Stalin

1382
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: of the USSR was obviously very paranoid and would often

1383
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: have academics or other influential people in society they could

1384
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: be perceived as a threat, killed or disloyal or whatever.

1385
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: And so this guy invented sambo essentially for the Russian

1386
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: military at least do about the first set of techniques

1387
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: and the set of ideas that I think eventually became sambo.

1388
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: And then Stalin eventually had him killed, which really sucks,

1389
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: but it's a great book, Man Falling Hard. You can

1390
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: get it on Amazon.

1391
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: Except for the way that guy got brutally murdered, it's

1392
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: a fantastic read.

1393
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: Though, you know, I mean, it's not a Hallmark Christmas movie,

1394
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But by the way, BC,

1395
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I meant to ask you about this. Now. I know

1396
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: this is Thanksgiving, but now we have to pivot into

1397
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: Christmas a little bit. My local theater, the one I

1398
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: can walk to, they're showing for the twentieth anniversary of

1399
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: the movie on the big screen. Elf, speaking about taking

1400
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: two key, is that an okay call?

1401
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 3: You think?

1402
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's three theaters, not one all that close to me,

1403
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: but three theaters in this area that are doing that

1404
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: same thing. And one of my kids was real into

1405
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: that idea and wants us to do it. I told

1406
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: him that, like, that movie's not old enough to demand

1407
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: that type of reverence in service, even though it is obvious,

1408
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: even though it is obviously not only a Christmas classic,

1409
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: but like arguably the best Christmas movie ever that you

1410
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: could just watch shamelessly because you know that used to

1411
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: be the Christmas story and then TBS ruined it or TNT.

1412
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: They probably had a hand on that too, But I

1413
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: think that that holds the thing. But I'm also like,

1414
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that that movie still feels like kind

1415
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: of new. I don't want to go to the movie

1416
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: theater for it, you know, I mean, it's not I'm

1417
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: not there yet. Like if you're like, hey, let's go

1418
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: see it's a wonderful life. I did that a few

1419
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: years ago in the theater, Luke, and it was it

1420
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: was awesome. You know, it was like old timey. Else

1421
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 2: it's not old timey, right, twenty years Yeah, I guess

1422
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: if you're young, but you know, people with old balls

1423
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: like us, Luke, twenty years goes by like that, right.

1424
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: I was already I was already out of college by

1425
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Like you know, I'm slowly dying

1426
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: in front of everyone.

1427
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 2: That's yeah, you have no no doubt about that from

1428
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: the inside out look. And this is from ham Slice

1429
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: McDougall eighty eighty, Luke. Since you don't drink as much anymore,

1430
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 2: how many drinks would it take now for BC's rear

1431
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: naked choke to get the tap or nap scenario four four?

1432
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: I'll I think the over under it right now is

1433
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: clearly three margaritas, Luke Ray, you know what I mean?

1434
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: That's like the Mendoza line right there, the you know.

1435
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah three or four? Yeah, three or four. I'll tell

1436
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: you what guaranteed, three long islandized t's and it might

1437
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: be curtains for your boy. I gotta be honest.

1438
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow wow, all right, let's go to add Edward Scape.

1439
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Hey Brian, do you watch tape or instructionals? What is

1440
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: your favorite on BJJ? Well, I mean, why don't you

1441
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: Why did you just ask me to read a book?

1442
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 2: I mean really right? You know? Or do sat math

1443
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: live on MK The throw? Yeah, that's not happening, dude.

1444
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: I told you I bought that Ray Mercer. Uh that ray.

1445
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't on BJJ Fanatics, but I bought a Ray

1446
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: Mercer like tutorial because it was cheap. It was like

1447
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: like six bucks or something. I was like five whatever.

1448
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: I was on Amazon. And then he literally tells a

1449
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: story about how Tommy he was like trying to explain

1450
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: that the depth of the body punch, and he literally

1451
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: explained that Tommy Morrison punched him so hard that it

1452
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: caused him to fart audibly in the match. He was like,

1453
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'll just be honest. He hit me

1454
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: so hard I farted. I thought it so loud.

1455
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: Yo, that's a hilarious story, which is always offset by

1456
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: the fact that that ending of that fight was one

1457
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: of the most brutal endings of any fight of all time.

1458
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: Remember the reflet mercer get like seven unnecessary shots. Yeah.

1459
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on there, but that

1460
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: was a great fight because that happened in a couple

1461
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: of Tommy Morrison fights. Even once he lost. Dude, he

1462
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: would come out like a house of fire and light

1463
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: people up. But if they didn't go down, you know,

1464
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: he could get caught. He was fun Luke and he

1465
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: definitely fought with HIV that time in h I said

1466
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: New Mexico that what was it? Arizona?

1467
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was West Virginia, but I could be

1468
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: wrong with No.

1469
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: We looked it up. It was definitely Arizona at the

1470
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: end of the day. So no tape. I should Yeah,

1471
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: maybe I should start watching some instructionals on like, No,

1472
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: I won't do that. You know what if if Cody

1473
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: McKenzie put out one specific you know, specific to the

1474
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: Mackenza teen, I would actually watch that. Look, I'd be

1475
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: down for that.

1476
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it wouldn't be that long of an instructional.

1477
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, would you help narrate that or co host

1478
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: it with him? Can we make this an MK project?

1479
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 2: How about dude, I got it, you and I get

1480
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 2: the MK camera. Once we get like a big budget

1481
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: and stuff, and we hit the road and go to

1482
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: the inventors of famous moves like the mckeateen and just

1483
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 2: have them like roll with you and break it down.

1484
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: But then like I'll hover over you and at some

1485
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 2: point eventually you'll be in a point of no return,

1486
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: hold that where you're gonna have to like tap a

1487
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: nap and then I'll get in your face and like

1488
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 2: t bag you and crouch shop, Luke. But that'll be

1489
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: like the gimmick of the show. And then like sounds

1490
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: go off and like, uh we get it pre set

1491
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: up where like confetti falls down, Luke, And that's like

1492
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: the moment in the show.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you a segment where you just

1494
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: ritually commit sexual assault on me. I don't think is

1495
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna sell too well to sponsors, Luke.

1496
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: It's what sets such apart, though it is at the

1497
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 2: end of the day.

1498
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So tell us about your podcast. Well, we talk

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01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: about combat sports and we sexually assault one another, and uh,

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01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: the audience seems to respond, I don't. We don't quite

1501
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: get it.

1502
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be wild when we get Tom espinall on here. Luke,

1503
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: believe that, you know.

1504
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: I still can't get over that that he did that.

1505
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm told that we didn't frame it properly

1506
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: and that she had asked him an equally ridiculous question

1507
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: right before that, and then he kind of countered. But

1508
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: either way, Luke, you can't really say that on camera.

1509
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: I mean, someone's gonna cut it out and do exactly

1510
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: what just happened right there. I mean, all right, let's

1511
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: go at Tiger Kuma ten eleven one zero one one.

1512
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what is that. If the UFC could

1513
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: take any three Belatur fighters, would Aaron Peco be one

1514
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: of them? I hope it would be, right?

1515
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's think if you're if you're Dana and

1516
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,919
Speaker 1: you can pick any three, gotta be Patchy Mixes one yes.

1517
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 4: Yes, Usmann, Normaga, Metov, And.

1518
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: Then you could argue, no, it wouldn't be Piko. You're right,

1519
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: because you'd have to go a j McKee as a

1520
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: possibility for that third slot, you'd have to go nem

1521
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: Kov possibility. Johnny eblin Is is not bad. Luke.

1522
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if.

1523
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 2: I would have said Amasov until that loss, obviously, but

1524
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: you know there's certainly I mean, I know it'll be short,

1525
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: but do you think, Okay, here's how I'll set it up.

1526
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: Michael Chandler came to the UFC under the premise that

1527
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: he's going to be there for a short time, great

1528
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: time whatever the phrase was, not a long time, and

1529
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: he's been a firecracker that has just set himself off

1530
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: in really fun fights, some for titles, some not, but

1531
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: he always brought it. Could Patricio Pitbull have the same,

1532
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: maybe not success, but a similar two year run, three

1533
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: year run in the UFC? No doing that same thing.

1534
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: I think he's too many. I think he's too damaged

1535
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: and probably further along in his decline than Chandler was

1536
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: at the same time.

1537
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 4: He went, Okay, now what fucking pit Bull was in

1538
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 4: tournament after tournament, war after war, rivalry after rivalry, like rivalry,

1539
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 4: you just don't walk out of that very easily.

1540
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: It's just not But like him, imagine inserting him at

1541
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: featherweight in the UFC for fun. Imagine him and Max.

1542
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be like you told me that two years ago.

1543
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: I'd be more interested, but now I'm like, I don't know.

1544
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 2: You know, I would see a rematch with him and Chandler,

1545
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: but there are two Chandler's too big now, right, too big?

1546
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1547
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whatever. Uh let's go over to at luke

1548
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: Lo Costa, Locusta won nine to nine prime Deontay Wilder

1549
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: versus old Big George. So he's saying the George Foreman

1550
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: of the nineties who knocked out Michael Moore to win

1551
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: the heavyweight title at forty five or prime kind.

1552
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: Of a boxer was Big George in this forties? Like

1553
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: just pure boxing? How good was he?

1554
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, he certainly wasn't known for it, but dude,

1555
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 2: he still had it in that area, Like in that

1556
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: comeback was like a slow build comeback. Like that comeback

1557
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 2: started in the late eighties, and he took a shitload

1558
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: of fights and was went through wars and don't forget

1559
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: he originally fought Holyfield for the title and fought well

1560
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: but lost and everyone thought he was done then and

1561
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: he made another turnaround and put fights together in big wins.

1562
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, he could box, he could box, Dude,

1563
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna win this matchup because George has a great chin,

1564
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: a great chin. I mean when Ali got him, it

1565
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 2: was more like exhaustion embarrassment for that knockout that actually

1566
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: happened there. And you know, I know, George Foreman, it's

1567
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: been you know that I just watched the other night.

1568
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this fight with ron Lyle Luke

1569
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: form and Lyle?

1570
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1571
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: It was after Foreman lost the title to Ali and

1572
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: was trying to make another run, and they knocked each

1573
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: other down like three times each in the first like

1574
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 2: four and a half rounds, Like just ridiculous. Mayhem, dude,

1575
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: you got to see that fight. It's it's insanity. It's

1576
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: just it's two exhausted men throwing bombs. It's like it's

1577
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 2: like a school fight in the hallway that no teacher

1578
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: is there to break it up. And You're like, we've

1579
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: been here for fifteen minutes now, like it's down to

1580
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: like stamina and will who's got that dog in him?

1581
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Luke, And where's the damn teacher. Right,

1582
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: what kind of school is this? That happened in my school?

1583
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: A lot, dude, but a lot.

1584
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were fights in my school, not my second

1585
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: one so much, but my first high school of Valdosta

1586
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: High School.

1587
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can get up at Valdosta.

1588
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: You have to knuckle up early in that fucking.

1589
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: Did They have a lot of pregnant girls there too, Luke?

1590
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: Or am I going out about it? No?

1591
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: My second high school, dud, My second school had several.

1592
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean I was like, these girls are they're out

1593
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: here fucking huh early? O?

1594
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, okay, I you see, you can't say

1595
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: that after I make a questionable offering and then look

1596
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: at the sandwich we just created, Luke. You know what

1597
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1598
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe kids at my age were like, like,

1599
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: how do you not use birth control or protection? Like?

1600
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: How do you not not? Just who doesn't?

1601
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: I could explain the reasoning to you, but you know,

1602
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: take a few minutes here and probably involved It's probably

1603
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: be cleaner than two girls in one cup. I'm so

1604
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: lucky I didn't walk into that bee's nest that time.

1605
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: You're still gonna watch that? No, I'm just gonna make

1606
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: that if I win. Okay, bet, I'm just gonna make

1607
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: two girls, one cup my concert. I'm just gonna make

1608
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: you watch my concert.

1609
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 2: I bet you would. Would Cannibal Corps score the soundtrack

1610
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: to that film? Move? Probably? Right?

1611
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: No? No? Probably? I don't know R Kelly, I don't

1612
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: know who. I don't know, I don't know how.

1613
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: Wow. R Kelly and the Cleveland Steamers. Yeah, great, bam,

1614
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: great band. Okay, Uh, this one's from uh Tim Yoshio

1615
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: six point fifty quick hits, his quick hit number one?

1616
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: Will MMA be better off in five years because of

1617
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 2: the recent merger? Yes? Or no? Well, MM may be

1618
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: better off in twenty twenty eight because of this PFL.

1619
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: Bell was asking about will the sport be better off?

1620
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if the sport will be better off.

1621
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: I'll say no.

1622
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: You'll say no. Will UFC, PFL or others benefit the

1623
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: most from the merger? Who will benefit the most from

1624
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 2: this merger?

1625
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: PFL? I mean you know, yeah, I don't think UFC

1626
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: is gonna benefit benefit from it like PFL. Definitely will.

1627
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 2: I counter that UFC will benefit from whatever level of success,

1628
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion that PFL has because once PF Look,

1629
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: you said it yourself. You were kind of dismissive, saying, well,

1630
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: up to this point, who have they gotten besides Francis,

1631
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: And you're right, But I think everything changes early next

1632
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 2: year when they start this new deal at the new network.

1633
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: They have the pay per viewability. Now they've you know,

1634
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: they had A and Ganu and Jake Paul to be

1635
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: closer to ready. Now they got Cyborg. Look, they got

1636
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: the things that they've been trying to set up. So

1637
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 2: I think it's more like, let's see how these things

1638
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: hit and whether they will lead to you know, potential

1639
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: advancements and free agency. But I think any success they

1640
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: have in the process, it's gonna make UFC just tighten

1641
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: up just a little bit more and bring it a

1642
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: little bit more. In my opinion, Luke, unless they are

1643
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 2: like so like a sleep at the wheel and so

1644
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: tied to like the numbers and we must hit this mark.

1645
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: And I mean they're they're really smart and from the

1646
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 2: endeavor angle, they're making a shit ton of money. They're there.

1647
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 2: But do you think they'll fight back. I think they

1648
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 2: fight back if PFL starts having some moments, Yeah, of course.

1649
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the competition could be. I think the

1650
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: person are the entities that might benefit the most if

1651
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: there is real competition is you and me and the

1652
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: folks out there watching the consumers. You know, that's who

1653
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: That's who's supposed to benefiting from competition, is us? Right?

1654
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like what when we win, Luke, I declare

1655
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: victory there? And finally, will this and the PFL framing

1656
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 2: as one bee lead to UFC upping their game? Yeah,

1657
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: we just said it. We think they will, so that

1658
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: covers that we got a couple more and then we

1659
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: can let you guys go back to uh choke holding

1660
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: someone over a PlayStation. I see you. I know you

1661
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 2: were I know the look. Do you think you know?

1662
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: We always debate like what percentage of our audience was

1663
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: there January sixth, or at least we're willing and able

1664
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: if the reserves were called in, Luke, what percentage of

1665
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: the audience in this case do you think have done

1666
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: dirt bag level Black Friday weights where they were willing

1667
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: to like run in and elbow Grandma out of the

1668
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: way to like get to that piece of.

1669
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: Electronic solid ninety seven.

1670
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: Oh, that's aggressive, that's aggressive solid solid.

1671
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: There's definitely people watching this right now? Who have punched

1672
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: a lady in the head over a microwave?

1673
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: What?

1674
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: All right? All right, yep, there it is uh at

1675
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 2: meister Jaeger seven seven nine four. How are your guys

1676
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 2: barbecue cooking skills? Any special Thanksgiving meals you prepared? We

1677
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: already did the turkey day talk.

1678
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: But Luke, I will say, the fried turkey I did

1679
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: a few years ago remains like the apex turkey prep

1680
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: that's ever happened in my family. No matter what they

1681
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: might tell you, frying.

1682
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 2: You're declaring, wait, you're declaring this a victory for the

1683
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas household in the family higher Oh yeah.

1684
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean

1685
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: to be let me be very clear about this. My

1686
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: sister and my brother are infinitely better cooks than me, like,

1687
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: no question about it. Skill for skill, dish for dish.

1688
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: They crushed me. They I cannot touch them. But I'm

1689
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: the only one who's ever tried a fried turkey, and

1690
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: that did. I did a lot of prep. I mean,

1691
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: I brin this thing and salted it the whole nine yards.

1692
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: I got a heritage turkey. You know what a heritage

1693
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: turkey is? No, you just get the regular old bitch

1694
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: ass turkey from Pigley Wiggily.

1695
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: I don't eat much of the turkey. I'm a meat

1696
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 2: pie guy. I had hair pie, I.

1697
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: Mean I get. I got a heritage turkeys, which is

1698
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: which is much better? And I fried that motherfucker with

1699
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: all the special gear that I bought in peanut oil,

1700
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: and I I mean I mathematically had everything down precise

1701
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: I did exactly as they recommended it for exactly how long.

1702
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: I pulled that fucking thing out and we sliced it.

1703
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: And when the knife went into the thigh, I mean,

1704
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: juices flying out.

1705
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: It was like, is that you, Peter? You know what

1706
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: I mean? It was like, this is a public event.

1707
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, you know, I don't know what

1708
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: gender this turkey was before we killed it, but it's

1709
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: scorting now, boy, let me tell you anyway.

1710
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, Luke, you know what I just realized.

1711
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: It turns out it's just pissed. Did you know that

1712
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that was R.

1713
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: Kelly's defense. Look, the thing about you and I is

1714
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: you always think we're so different, but were really the same.

1715
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 2: You claiming victory on that one year that you out

1716
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: cooked your brother and sister is my bloody toe game

1717
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: from four.

1718
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, that's fair. Like I said, dude, I

1719
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: could never I get that. There's just no chance I

1720
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: could ever, ever, ever, ever compete with them dish for dish,

1721
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: I would lose ninety nine point nine percent of it.

1722
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: But I'm the only one who Here's the thing is

1723
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: this Frying a turkey is in a way easy, but

1724
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: you do have to have all the right like materials

1725
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: to do it. The right drum, the right oil, the

1726
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: right temperature, everything, you know, the right thing to pull

1727
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: and pull push them, pull the turkey out and by

1728
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: the way, but this is the best part about it.

1729
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: Like all it goes into the prep. I believe the

1730
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: turkey that we cooked only was eighteen minutes, So eighteen

1731
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: minutes into the fryer, out and then you serve it

1732
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: and it was done. Dude, it is. If you've never

1733
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: had real fried turkey, you just haven't had turkey. You

1734
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: haven't had turkey, had it's your fate.

1735
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: That's one of our greatest moments for the show, the

1736
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: Luke fried turkey rant. Yeah we've been there, turkey. Are

1737
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: you you think you're in the top two of your

1738
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: dad's favorite kids at.

1739
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: The moment, no no, no, bottom third bat and clean up.

1740
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta be you know, I'm not top

1741
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: of the order. Let me tell you.

1742
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

1743
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: My dad. The other day my dad let me so

1744
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: it's not just my dad, like my family. They've never

1745
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: asked me or commented on any of my tattoos, like,

1746
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: none of them ever, not once. They've never been like, hey,

1747
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: why'd you get this? Where'd you get this? Like hey,

1748
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, what is this? They just never just never

1749
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: And that's fine, Like if you don't care and you

1750
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it, I'm okay. But then

1751
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: the other day my dad was asking me something. We

1752
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: were walking and he asked me, and he goes, you know,

1753
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: uh uh. He was like, I forget exactly what preceded

1754
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: what he said. And then he was like, yeah, you know.

1755
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: And then the people who like, uh, the less attractive

1756
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 1: parts of society, they seem to also love tattoos.

1757
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, and cage fighting, dad, they love

1758
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: that too.

1759
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,879
Speaker 1: And he was lacking. He goes, I can't even fathom

1760
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: why they might get him. But you know, I can't

1761
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: be decorative, and I'm like, well, it actually can be,

1762
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, but anyway they.

1763
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: Or did he not take the bait or you were

1764
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: just trying to keep it civil.

1765
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Little column a columnbe I was like, well, you know, Dad,

1766
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: that's a sort of an absurd statement. But but yeah, okay.

1767
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: That's this is incredible. I would love to be planted

1768
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: with a hidden MK documentary camera during your Thanksgiving dinner

1769
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: and just kind of keep the audience abreast of the

1770
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 2: direction the flow of the conversation. Who's winning, who's losing?

1771
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: That would be that would be fair.

1772
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm always losing here. Oh I mean not that I

1773
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: not that I deserve to be losing, but I am

1774
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: always losing.

1775
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: They want to know if we can barbecue and how

1776
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: our cooking skills. So I'm a horrific cook. I'm okay

1777
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: on the barbecue grill. I would not say I'm very good.

1778
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: I can have disastrous moments. Just watch. I can have

1779
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: disastrous moments, but uh, once in a while, I land

1780
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: the plane on the grill. Not a good cook in

1781
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: the indoors. Look you can, you can. You're pretty You're

1782
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: a renaissance man in some regards. You're an eagle scout

1783
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 2: and you know how to right.

1784
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: A little bit, not that much I mean I can.

1785
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm like with you a little bit, like, I can

1786
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: definitely cook a steak really well. I can cook not

1787
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: all fish, but I could cook like a big chunk

1788
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: of tuna or something like that. You know, I can

1789
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: do that. I've never been able to grill poultry all

1790
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: that well, I've always fucked that up. So no, So

1791
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: if you listen, if you've got like cherizo, if you've

1792
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: got like flank steak, if you've got some kind of

1793
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, meetiness in that way, I'm probably good for it.

1794
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: But sure of that I want to fuck it up.

1795
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. From don Agan Anderson

1796
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: three five six one says day one, donk here, what

1797
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: was your most gratifying career milestones and what was one

1798
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: of your bleakest moments in the industry? Great question, Luke.

1799
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: They were on our highs and lows.

1800
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, you know, I didn't think of

1801
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: it this way necessarily at the time, but like us

1802
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: winning the first MMA award that we did.

1803
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that felt big, right, It felt pretty.

1804
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: Big, felt fucking great, to be honest with you, if

1805
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: I could, you know, and you know that's not to

1806
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 1: say that it is the most because it's all about

1807
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: our perception. A little bit bleakest when MMA Fighting never

1808
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: let me say goodbye after being at the company for

1809
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: nearly fourteen years and just closed out all my accounts

1810
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: without telling me, and even though I had offered them

1811
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to match Showtime's offer and they just didn't.

1812
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And then they locked me out of my email, locked

1813
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: me out of everything and never even let me say

1814
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: thanks to the staff or anything. I thought that was uh.

1815
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: And also, you know, the MMA hour had not gone

1816
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: how I had wanted it to. Yeah, that was probably

1817
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: pretty bleak or John Jones dunking on me. Those two

1818
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: days were both like really like, okay, these are.

1819
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: Very honest moments from you, Luke. Those those were those

1820
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: were turning point moments because look, they can break a person, Luke,

1821
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: but you have persevere and elevated through that. I mean,

1822
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 2: are you You're a survivor, Luke.

1823
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Right, survivor, But like, you know, have you ever seen

1824
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: like an animal survive in the wild. It's not really

1825
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: mentally stable, you know, it's all hardened and fucked up

1826
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: and uh and angry and everything.

1827
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, And you know I could

1828
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 2: say either us winning the the first MMA Award, or

1829
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: when we were when we found out in the moment

1830
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 2: that we were like the Sports podcast of the Year

1831
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 2: from the Sports Podcasting Group, which led to us main

1832
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: eventing their their London Podcast Festival, which like that, all

1833
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: to me is one thing that's probably it. That's probably

1834
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: the best highest moment. I mean, you know, I mean

1835
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 2: when like when I fill in for Jim Gray a

1836
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: couple of times and I'm on like the major leagues.

1837
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: That also is like this moment of like, oh shit,

1838
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: they called me up from the you know, from Triple

1839
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: A for the day and look at this, uh lowest moment.

1840
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely there was a point at ESPN

1841
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: when I was a editor making nothing but writing a

1842
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: ton of content all week, going to fights, covering it,

1843
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: working on TV, and then like not getting paid in

1844
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 2: those areas, but like getting opportunities, getting reps, getting gigs,

1845
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: but at the same time, like unable to pay the rent,

1846
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, when you're starting to

1847
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: go like is this the best use of my skills

1848
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: in this current situation? You know what I mean, Like

1849
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: the heat is due, and then to find out at

1850
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: one of my reviews that like a promotion or this

1851
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: thing I thought I was building toward for three years

1852
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: and was told along the way, oh not this time,

1853
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: but like six months from now. Definitely, we've all been

1854
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: through that where there's a little bit of a carrot

1855
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,560
Speaker 2: hanging in front of you, but you know what, you

1856
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: can get over the walls and the hurdles and you

1857
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 2: keep coming. Well. I had found out like behind the

1858
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: scenes that like the boss who was telling me all

1859
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 2: this like had never actually gone to bat for me once.

1860
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 2: Once I found out like how the hiring and promotion

1861
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: process like actually works and how you have to like

1862
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 2: nominate somebody and then go to bat for them repeatedly

1863
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 2: just to get them in the mix for that, and

1864
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: it was like, Wow, all that work I put in

1865
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 2: for nothing? Now I didn't I knew it wasn't nothing,

1866
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: because you know, I had some reps, I had great opportunities.

1867
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: I grew. But you know that moment, Luke, where You're like,

1868
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I can financially do this anymore? So

1869
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 2: am I being selfish to my family keeping us in

1870
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 2: this rental house that we can't even afford to live in?

1871
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 2: And I literally just had to borrow money from the

1872
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: church to pay the heating bill. Like, there's those there's

1873
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 2: those moments. That's the lowest moment in this in this

1874
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: walk so far, hopefully it's it'll stay the lowest, luke,

1875
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 2: But those are the moments where you do a lot

1876
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: of soul searching, because that's all you go left.

1877
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: I will also say, just as we wrap up on this,

1878
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, when we officially behind the scenes, I mean

1879
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: we kind of found out what everyone else did, but

1880
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: when we basically got a heads up that like showtime

1881
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: was going away, I don't think it kicked your ass

1882
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: as hard as it kicked mine, But dude, it kicked

1883
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: my ass. It kicked my ass real bad. I was

1884
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: fucked up for a while off that, you know, just

1885
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: the amount of questions that it raised in my head

1886
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: about who I am and the choices that I'd made

1887
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: and what the fuck I was gonna do. And you know, again,

1888
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: everyone everyone wore the difficulties of that situation in the

1889
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: last year differently. And I'm not saying I took it well.

1890
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: I probably didn't. No, I know I didn't, but it

1891
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: fucked me up real good, dude, that I fucked me

1892
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: up for a while I was off for a while

1893
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: from that. But so you know, we would like like

1894
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: we persevere, like here we are, We're on the other

1895
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: side of it. It seems like, or mostly on the

1896
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:29,799
Speaker 1: other side of it anyway.

1897
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know what, if we get this

1898
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: award and we don't know if we are the third

1899
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: straight World MMA Awards Best MMA Programming, you can argue

1900
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 2: all you want if we deserve it. After a tough year,

1901
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: we didn't have the same resources we had, but we

1902
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: also had some of our highest moments and some of

1903
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 2: our lowest moments. I'm starting to think, Luke, that we

1904
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 2: actually deserve it. As we've talked about that this actually

1905
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: is the year that we dug in and fought for

1906
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: it the most, because you know what, that's all you

1907
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: can do. Like, okay, if you want to know PostScript,

1908
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: what happened after my lowest moment a couple months later,

1909
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: I was I'm so frustrated and just ready to run

1910
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 2: through a wall and get noticed and accepted for the

1911
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 2: work I've done and all that that. I had a

1912
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: Jerry Maguire moment. Accidentally, I would get poison ivy like

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Speaker 2: easily when I would weed w back like I'd just

1914
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 2: get like, you know, splash on you, and my whole

1915
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: body would start to get covered and it would like

1916
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: come up and threaten to come up like my face too.

1917
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: So I got on a pretty good rhythm of getting pregnazone,

1918
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 2: you know, the steroid that like kind of aggressively turns

1919
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: it away. The only problem was it would make me

1920
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: like aggressively uncapped emotionally, like it would just make me

1921
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 2: like extra argumentative. So the family knew to just keep

1922
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 2: distance for a week. I took a double dose because

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01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: I had a big on camera thing coming up and

1924
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 2: the thing was crawling up my neck. You know you've

1925
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: seen me before. I luke with that where it's crawling up.

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01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: It's trying to come out right, And dude, I took

1927
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: a double dose, and I lost my ability to hold

1928
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: my emotions. I'd be working in the office and just

1929
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 2: start crying and then like hope no one's looking at it,

1930
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 2: or then like I'd be you know, over the top excited.

1931
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: That night, I couldn't sleep. Was like, you know, what,

1932
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 2: if my career is going nowhere, I'm going to go

1933
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 2: out swinging. And I drafted an email to the head

1934
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: of ESPN dot com literally at three am. That was

1935
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 2: this aggressive, like ambitious, but like also like I don't

1936
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 2: want you guys to miss out what I'm about to

1937
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 2: bring here. And I didn't know if I was going

1938
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 2: to get fired or told like there's the door. And

1939
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: I ended up on that dude's couch the next morning,

1940
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: half apologizing for kind of losing my mind there in

1941
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 2: the moment, but I think he respected it and it

1942
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 2: started to open the door to new opportunities for me,

1943
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 2: maybe because I was that bold and crazy and out

1944
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Speaker 2: of my mind literally like just full emotions. And look

1945
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: where I am today, Luke. So maybe a couple of

1946
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: breakdowns along the way, it's or okay, if you can

1947
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: make it to the finish line, you know what I'm saying.

1948
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, after I got the door shut in

1949
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: my face by MMA, fighting for doing nothing other than

1950
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Speaker 1: carrying that place when no one else would, you know,

1951
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I ended up in the arms of showtime, So like, yeah,

1952
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you get these really low moments we're

1953
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: like Jesus, fuck, how did I end up here? And

1954
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: then you just be like life is funny. Life is not.

1955
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't work as way for everybody we've been you

1956
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: know we've had our asses kicked. LiF's kicked our asses

1957
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: a few times. You know we've had our asses kicked,

1958
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But we've we've managed to pick

1959
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Speaker 1: ourselves up and keep going.

1960
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Speaker 2: You know, that's all you can do. We're all in

1961
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 2: this together. We hope you enjoyed our holiday holiday mail

1962
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: bag this Turkey Day. Maybe you don't celebrate it in

1963
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 2: your country, but Happy Thanksgiving to you just the same,

1964
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: if that means anything. Thank you to Mikey Mormes on

1965
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Speaker 2: the ones and twos behind the scenes, and we appreciate

1966
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Speaker 2: all your questions. Continue to send whatever you want to

1967
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 2: Morning Combat at gmail dot com, fan sub's dead wrongs

1968
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 2: all that. Maybe just say hi, Just try to keep

1969
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 2: your your extremities cloth clothed in the future. That's about

1970
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Speaker 2: all I got. Look any message here on the way up.

1971
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Speaker 1: Be sure to check my coverage of tonight's fights for PFL.

1972
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: I'll be there. I'll do what I can. I'm not

1973
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: sure exactly what I'm gonna get, but I'm gonna get

1974
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 1: what I can and should be kind of fun. So

1975
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that YouTube dot com slash

1976
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Speaker 1: Morning Combat.

1977
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Speaker 2: There it is woomp there it is. Thank you very much.

1978
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. If you did

1979
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 2: something awful and a best buy, email us with more

1980
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Speaker 2: details and pictures. Thank you, we love you, we're out

1981
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Speaker 2: of here. Happy holidays to you.