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Speaker 1: but that was after, you know, that was after and

423
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Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin. My dad worked with Lily Tomlin for a while.

424
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Speaker 1: So it was like but again obviously already famous, but

425
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: but Jane Lynch really came out of that was like

426
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: the only one I can think of. She's huge though,

427
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's huge. But found success in television everyone

428
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: that's what you do, right, So you know, theater in

429
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Speaker 1: l A. And then you moved to New York. When

430
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Speaker 1: when I was eighteen and interest dying, I think to

431
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: get fucked. To be honest, I just it was just

432
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: I just was I was hyper sexual and I just

433
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: thought that it was easier to get laid in New

434
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: York and it was can I say, I'm in a

435
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: reveal right now, it is much easier. But I think,

436
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: but I think culture has changed in the like eight years,

437
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: I've know what ten years I've been here. You're right

438
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: because in the past ten years unleashed in the world.

439
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: But also like I also grew up in West who

440
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: I did Ye King's Road and Melrose Baby. Absolutely, And

441
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: I mean it's just the straight culture has changed significantly.

442
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Straights don't have sex. The sex over sex is over

443
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: Ji Jack, you know g Jack famously said we're a

444
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: post human and post sex. What was this whole debate?

445
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: Last name? What was the debate? I was explained because

446
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing about it. I was going to listen

447
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: to it, but are coming here just to have like,

448
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: oh yeah, culture right right? Um? No, it's it was

449
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: a debate between and Jordan Peterson and it was like

450
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: subtitled capitalism Peterson versus Marxism, um. And it was a

451
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: huge debate. And I don't really know how it was confinded.

452
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what was said. I was just mark

453
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: it was trending on my Twitter and was like what

454
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: the fun is, why is trending? Like I felt, truly

455
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: he's a huge deal, but it's also like I haven't

456
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: heard from him in like five years. Yeah, I'm just

457
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: and one of the elements of the discussion with straight

458
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: sexes over humanism. His quotes of recent quotability has been

459
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: we are post human and therefore a post sex and

460
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: he in an interview, he's asked, when's the last time

461
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: you've had sex? And he goes never. That's which I'm

462
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: obsessed me because he's because because he's into erasing his

463
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: sexual history, because he's famously dates models and ship but

464
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: he goes, when's lasting about sex? Because never? That's so honestly,

465
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: that's so honestly anti Trina, but very But in two

466
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: thousand ten, New York was sex sex sex, sex for

467
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: the Straits and I was eighteen. I was on the scene.

468
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: I was banging right now. You know, the straight scene

469
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: is really cricket cricket, really, you know, it is really creeky,

470
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: creek creeky. I don't understand necessarily the factors, but all

471
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: I know is that my thing is that I've noticed

472
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: that for in a straight culture, it's like these things

473
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: are sort of like collapsing into one with like queer

474
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: stuff where it's like everyone's fucking. It's like straights aren't

475
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: having sex because we're straights aren't dating at leastating because um,

476
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: the world is ending, right because the world and um,

477
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: people who are in committed relationships who are straight are

478
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: fucking everybody. And then it's hard for it's hard to

479
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: hold someone down. It's hard to like get to a

480
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: level of commitment with someone that you're starting to date

481
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: because they just want to keep sucking other people too.

482
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this has always been a thing with the

483
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: gay community. I'm I'm surprised but not but not shocked

484
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: to hear that it's crossing over the straight community because

485
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I just feel like patriarchy affects them more because they've

486
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: always had to live inside the box and they think, oh, well,

487
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: monogamy is something that we do, and then with the

488
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: rise of queer culture visibility, you understand that there really

489
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: are truly no rules. We are all animals, etcetera, etcetera.

490
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: And so I'm not surprised, and I also think, like weirdly, um, sorry,

491
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get my hands on it. I just

492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: think like with the opening of monogamy and stuff, which

493
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: is um, it puts a lot of things. I don't

494
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: think it's bad. I think it's fabulous. Or evolution and

495
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: I believe I love Star Trek like I believe in

496
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, I believe in I Oh, really interesting.

497
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later. I um, but you know

498
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. I believe like evolution is eminent. We

499
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: have no controct We're gonna, we're we have to, you

500
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But so like, yes, monogamy, let's

501
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: crush and let's bak it down, let's not do it.

502
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: But in that process, I think monogamy what was bonding

503
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: the straits is that men. This is really interesting note

504
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: is that a lot of men actually don't understand why

505
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: they're attracted to women and are just sort of biologically

506
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: thwarted to do it. And they're like not like I

507
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: you know. Similarly, my hot take, my hot take, the

508
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: cans are falling off, as we think because it's just

509
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: such a hot take. Similar I'm also wearing like a

510
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: polyster shirt. I have to tell you, beaut I thought

511
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: it was cotton, but I'm sweating Polysi. I'm so hot. Okay, anyway,

512
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm so hot right now. Okay, So anyway, because now

513
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm sweating and I'm nervous, and We're just gonna keep

514
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: We're going to track through this. We really we were

515
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: going to evolve through this. Because the thing is Embrace

516
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Katrina hashtag embrace Katrina is I think that nobody talks

517
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: about this. There is an inherent shame in liking the

518
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: opposite sex. There is that. Okay, I will. I am

519
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: a woman. I've always liked you know, women are hot

520
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: and men are hot, but I've always also really liked man. Okay,

521
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not interacting with men that are sexually attracted

522
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: to me as much. I had, you know, gay friends

523
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: very early on and women friends, and those were my

524
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: There's no platonic there was nothing. And so then when

525
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: the protective it is, and then you get this these urges.

526
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: And famously I was at girls school and I was

527
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: hooking up with girls, but then I was getting these

528
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: urges of like I need it, I need a dick,

529
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I need it, and I'm like, okay, wait, this is horrifying.

530
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how to talk to these people. I

531
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: don't want to who are they? I don't want to

532
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: talk to them? What do I have to say to them?

533
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: But I need their decks and the shame is in

534
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: that need. It's like, how do I relate to this person?

535
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I have nothing to say and I just want their

536
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: penis this, and I think, and that's where sexism is born, really,

537
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm truly because it's so in the same way with

538
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: a straight men. It's like towards women and they also

539
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: run the world, so then they're able and then they, oh,

540
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I get how I can get I can get my

541
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: penis in a vagina? Is I'm going to dominate her.

542
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna neg her, I gonna make fun of her,

543
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: and she's gonna be bashful, bashful, bashal, and with her

544
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: mutual need for my genital she will deal with it.

545
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: And that is sexism, do you know what I'm saying.

546
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: And then we go monogamy, monogamy, monogamy, and then we

547
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: have to deal with each other because there's this like weird,

548
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: shameful bond. But with the polyamory thing, which I believe

549
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: in again evolution Star Trek, I believe in no genders,

550
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: all genders, you know, I believe in all of it.

551
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Humans are over exactly. But with the with the lack

552
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: of monogamy. Now we have to look at our sexism

553
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: in a really brutal way, and then men have to question,

554
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: why the fuck am I dealing with women? I can't

555
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: talk to them, I don't want to talk to them.

556
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to masturbate or get a sex doll or

557
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: have anonymous sex or whatever, or figured out that I'm

558
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: actually pinning down something else, which is that I don't

559
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: even like women, yes at all, and I don't even

560
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: want to have sex anymore. So it's that's huge, and

561
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the lack of monogamy is really

562
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: putting these terms into a blasting stadium light, at least

563
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: for me in the dating pool, because then some men

564
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm realizing I'm having sex with them, and I go,

565
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: they really love women and they want the divide to

566
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: be broken. They want to get intimate with me, and

567
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: they don't have the language for yes, or I date

568
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: men and then I go, oh, they have no use

569
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: for women. They have no use, and they want to

570
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: be gay and they can't be for some other reason,

571
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe biologically they aren't or whatever, you know, they they're

572
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: not fluid or whatever. But it's like, oh my god,

573
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: what is the use for women. This is this what

574
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: you're saying. In the past, the sexism was there was

575
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: a violence and sexism that was outward, and now the

576
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: violence is anywhere. Well, I'm going to just close myself

577
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: off and everything and that's twyes, And that's not translates

578
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: to everybody and nobody at the same exactly, it's a

579
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: non and like weirdly them anogamy was bonding the streets

580
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: together really intense way, and you had to deal with

581
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: the sexism quietly or to yourself or just with your

582
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: partner behind closed doors. But there's a contract maybe whether

583
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: it was a real one wedding or otherwise, there was

584
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: a contract of if you for other people that's not okay, yes,

585
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: but now it's fine. So what's the need? Like it's

586
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: it really does put so much in question, and it

587
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: puts is sexuality by biological is sexual? Like what is sexual?

588
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: And because there's no economic need for marriage exactly, monogamy,

589
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: I guess like go outward. If you seem out then

590
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: like no one gives a shot. Is so interesting that

591
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about this because I'm also dealing with it,

592
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: like in terms of in the gay community as well,

593
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: because having moved to a new city for the time

594
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: being at least um and dealing with like the politics

595
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: of meeting a large new group of gay men. It's

596
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: so interesting because you all meet each other and you

597
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: think the first thing you think when you see someone

598
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: is what do I want out of this? What do

599
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: you want out of this? Like? What what will we

600
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: get in from it? What is it is your friends?

601
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Is it sex? It could be both, it could be

602
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: nothing and so something that I had a conversation with

603
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: someone who I hooked up with, and then it became

604
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: clear the second time we hung out that it wasn't

605
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: going to be that. We kind of sat down and

606
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: talked about why that is. And it's like, well, when

607
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: something could be friendship, which is more lasting, why would

608
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: it be the other thing, um, which is sex, sex,

609
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: which is really just that and that dominates a relationship.

610
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: But then you realize, neither of those things have to

611
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: dominate a relationship. We're just used to culturally you either

612
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: fuck someone and deal with the politics of the relationship later,

613
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: or we were friends with someone and are surprised by

614
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: or dealing with the sexual relation later. Whereas we could

615
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: live in a world where those things were all just

616
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: more a part of an equal The equilibrium of those

617
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: things was just something we accepted, you know what I mean,

618
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Like we could just have these kinds of relations. But

619
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: the patriarchy has ruined us all, at least in our generation,

620
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: because we are looking for all or nothing, and that

621
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: is capitalism. Capitalism the patriarchy that is tough, and that

622
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: is I think resulting in a lot of depression in

623
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: the gay community that I'm observing and you're saying like

624
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: amongst women, and I think secretly quietly amongst men. And

625
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: you can see it in the baby boom or generation

626
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: who are all depressed or at least, like I think,

627
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: not all, but but a huge symptom or a huge

628
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: theme like you know, you think about the movies they

629
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: were making like ten years ago when they were first

630
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: discovering this like American beauty, you know what I mean,

631
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: Like like you are so like what I'm saying is

632
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: like these kinds of things like we're the t and

633
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Speaker 1: shin is that I hate my life because I'm married

634
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Speaker 1: and I'm I had children because I'm trapped. That is sad.

635
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: And we are dealing with phase two of them, which

636
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: is the solution forward and I think like this is inevitable.

637
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. Like I don't want monogamy

638
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: to be something that binds anybody. I don't want that

639
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: for anybody. But we are in this bizarre transitional period,

640
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Speaker 1: especially on a heteronormative scale, and the fact that I

641
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: even have to even basically interact with a heteronormative culture what,

642
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: which is profoundly bizarre for me. It's offensive for me,

643
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Speaker 1: but I do you know, and and I'm sorry for

644
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Speaker 1: being like vagina girl penis boy here, but I'm just

645
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Speaker 1: talking about For all the listeners, I'm just talking about

646
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Speaker 1: a heteronormative culture. And that's why I'm using these vain

647
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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry and us I'm just talking about pejorative

648
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: heteronormative culture. Okay, thank you everybody. Anyway, because we are

649
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: in Star Trek territory, we are moving past that. We

650
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: have moved past that, honey, honey. Yeah, we are all

651
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: on that invisible, which we really are, and it's we

652
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: are just dealing. We are we are going to have

653
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: to negotiate these terms and I don't know what it's

654
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: going to look like. I don't know what it is,

655
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: but there is this bizarre sexual apathy that's going on

656
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: right now in heteronormative La La Land because we cannot

657
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: be bound by our differences anymore, and we are. We

658
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: have to confront our differences. We have to love the

659
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: we have to love the opposite. It's so it's it's

660
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: so interesting to see a heteronormative culture embrace something like

661
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Speaker 1: let's just say, in the mainstream RuPaul's drag race right

662
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Speaker 1: with is born out of drag which rejects mainstream culture

663
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: and says this is not real. In fact, nothing is,

664
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Speaker 1: and it's all play right. But then to see something

665
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: like that get absorbed by the mainstream, I think shows

666
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: we're interested in having this conversation and we're interested in

667
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: the themes, but we are not necessarily ready to take

668
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: all those steps forward. Because you'll still hear people say,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm one of them, like I would

670
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Speaker 1: like to figure out a monogamous relationship. I would do.

671
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love the idea of that, but

672
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Speaker 1: I worry that the animal inside me will make that impossible.

673
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I genuinely worry that. Did

674
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Speaker 1: you did you read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson? Have

675
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Speaker 1: I oh shattered this is my huge thing is I

676
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Speaker 1: got luck and pointed my arm when I got goose bumps.

677
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Speaker 1: Look that's her huge look goose bumps. He's got to

678
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Speaker 1: read it, Katrina. You're going to cut Katrina and is not?

679
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Speaker 1: Is that really well? Can you just describe for me

680
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Speaker 1: the listeners what the argonauts is. I don't know. It's

681
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: it's a whole book that's like a love letter to

682
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Speaker 1: this the writer of mac Nelson's partner, who Mary Dodge,

683
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Speaker 1: who's like an amazing experimental artist in Los Angeles, like

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Speaker 1: a legend legendary Los Angeles come on in Los Angeles, Patrina.

685
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Speaker 1: So she's writing this book as she's pregnant with their

686
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Speaker 1: child at the same time that he transitions. And the

687
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Speaker 1: and like the whole thing that she ruminates on in

688
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: the book is she's like, it's it's interesting to like

689
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Speaker 1: to sort of fall into some mental model of heteroma

690
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Speaker 1: activity while I while I have this human growing inside

691
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Speaker 1: of me, while I'm also queerying sexuality and relation. Look

692
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Speaker 1: like it's see the goosebumps. Look, I see it's a

693
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Speaker 1: step forward into heater normative ideas well. But she's in

694
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Speaker 1: a queer relationship and she is dealing with Yeah, how

695
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Speaker 1: just negotiating. She's negotiating the rules of the inherent question

696
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Speaker 1: of what is my boundary and what is there? How

697
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Speaker 1: can we be similar and different? I'm also intimately involved

698
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Speaker 1: with this human that has not even been born or

699
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Speaker 1: gendered yet, and it's like and it's it's so beautiful,

700
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: and there's a sequel coming out, and it's Harry's perspective

701
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: that you're gonna lose your Harry is writing it. Yes,

702
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose. I'm so excited you have to read this.

703
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Speaker 1: We do could never really would love. Yes, very Star Trek,

704
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: just to switch the Star Trek theme that's been appearing

705
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: in this episode thus far, compels me to ask you

706
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: about We have to ask, now, are you a Star

707
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: Trek Queen. I wouldn't say a queen. I would say

708
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Speaker 1: I'm a cadet because I'm very new to the Star

709
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Speaker 1: Trek enterprise. I've had what are you absorbing? Okay, So

710
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Speaker 1: a person that I have been like vaguely involved with

711
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: for a minute, but very heteronormative ambiguity, dealing with that,

712
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: negotiating with that. Yeah, and my best friend, who does

713
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Speaker 1: giuse you with me? They are born on the same day.

714
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Speaker 1: What day? Okay, Scorpios, Scorpio, liber cusp and love them

715
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Speaker 1: my last boyfriend Scorpio. I'm addicted. I'm absolutely Oh God, Socials,

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Speaker 1: the Appollonian Dionesian divide of me bra Apollo, Scorpio Dionesian.

717
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Speaker 1: I can't get enough all my best friends of Scio.

718
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Speaker 1: What are you? What are you? Leole me and Cat

719
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Speaker 1: Cohen and can you read that? I now I'm a Pisces.

720
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Speaker 1: How do you feel? Love that Moon and Pisces? Oh

721
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Speaker 1: my god, this is a water sign up show cultural stuff. Okay,

722
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Speaker 1: I am to get this. I am and Pisces and

723
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm like rising Pices. I'm entirely walled. So you are

724
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Speaker 1: you are psychic? I have incredible minds that can tell

725
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: the future. You can and oh my God, and your

726
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Speaker 1: friendship with mo also Pisces, queens, Queen and other good friends.

727
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Speaker 1: Dave is a cancer cancer, truly cancer cancers. For me,

728
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Speaker 1: it can be tough. Start with me. I get a

729
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: little with cancer opposed to Pisces. Sarah Sherman, who I'm

730
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: touring with right now, literally since I was a baby,

731
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: addicted to Scorpios because passion, obsession with darkness, obsession with criticality,

732
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: so smart. I think all scorpios are genius is I

733
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: really don't. And I have for a while thought you

734
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: were a gene Stop anyway, so um, and I'm star

735
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Trek and I'm I'm truly obsessed. The cancers are a

736
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: little hard for me, just because they're very high maintenance.

737
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: And okay, that the exactly, and the scorpios go, this

738
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Speaker 1: is my boundary at one, So you go, I deal

739
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: with it. I deal with it. Fun with that. Pisces go,

740
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of scared. I'm crying and this is hard

741
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm like, okay, leo, huge heart, you know.

742
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: I go, okay, okay, you're crying. But the cancers go.

743
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: They go, I'm meaning the salad and I hate it now,

744
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: and I go, you're gonna have to eat that salad.

745
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to right where the scorpios go, I'm

746
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: not gonna eat a salad, and Pisces go, I realized

747
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: if I don't eat this salad, someone else would have

748
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: wanted the salad, who really needed it. And they eat

749
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: that salad and they cry later and they go out.

750
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: I have diarrhea. That salad sucked. But I I shouldn't

751
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: need it, but I need it, but I needed to.

752
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: You have such a beautiful, holistic view of astrology. Thank you.

753
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Do you know the podcast What's Your Sign? No? This

754
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: is a really really good podcast. They do it in

755
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: l A. I was on charts. Three comedians that do

756
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: that are obsessed with astrology, and um, they read my

757
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: whole chart and they, I swear to God, I wasn't

758
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: really a believer and until I had my chart read

759
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: and they were able to tell me like what was great?

760
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: And I was like wow. And now I kind of

761
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: like part of me is like still a little bit

762
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: of a cynic about it because it's like okay, but

763
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: I actually like can't and I what I feel, which

764
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: is that everything I've been told has been pretty I'm

765
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: that's also a very huge star Chark journey is that

766
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: everybody is sort of getting on board with the astroship.

767
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: Famously very spic skeptic scorios are downloaded Costar and I'm like,

768
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: this is beautiful. Are you on Costar? I am? I okay,

769
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: but owners I sort of Costar? What is? It's an

770
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: astrology app. It gives your whole chart and then it

771
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: tells you like stuff for the next three weeks. This

772
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: is These are the transits. The thing is about co Star.

773
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: I get really like nervous about the interface of co Star.

774
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't like the illustration. I don't like how it

775
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: looks so much, and that makes me feel really like

776
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: scared interesting a huge deal. That's why Leo big Heart

777
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: the interface of co Star very very monochrome. Very Yeah.

778
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: I like one and it's like, I don't know. I

779
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: follow this really weird instagram astro Instagram called one word

780
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: Leo mood Son, and it's hype. It's these pictures of

781
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: these hyper instagram like an iridescent girl like on a

782
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: pink cloud in Japan, And then you're like, this is horrifying.

783
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: And then you read it and you're like it's poetry

784
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: and you're lone away, and then you look back at

785
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: that iridescent weird like nails of earsdescent, cats eating a

786
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: cup kick and then you're like, oh my god, this

787
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: is beautiful. Just check it out. I can't describe it.

788
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: It's really weird. So do you when it comes with astrology, Like,

789
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: are you someone that reads the horoscopes and follows those?

790
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: Are are you kind of just like I know what

791
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: my sign is, and therefore I know what I feel like.

792
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: I do the transits. I read the transits because that's

793
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: really what everybody should be paying attention to, because the

794
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: transits to dictate, it's how this how the planets are

795
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: moving through the sky at a certain moment. So right

796
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: now we're entering tourists today, famously, and there's a transit

797
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: with your rainus right now that hasn't hello, dark gay

798
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: cultures a bit anyway. Um and then I, uh so

799
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: that transit, the transit that's happening right now, hasn't happened

800
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: in eighty years. Wow, So there's gonna be a huge shift.

801
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: And what does Uranus represent? Yes, okay, absolutely absolutely so

802
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: Uran no no no, Uranus Saturn, which is chronos, yes

803
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: time ding dong ding dong ding dong Pluto, the sign

804
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: of death. Yes. Uranus is about philosophy, our understanding of

805
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: perspective of our internal visions. Yes, okay, which is really

806
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: funny because it's an US internal vision. I love it.

807
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: I love it. The third Eye, George, but I story

808
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: of the eye anyway, the solariness anyway, whatever about what

809
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that there's something huge it's happening right now,

810
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: and we're going to feel it for a minute. And

811
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: I read that's right. Nope, Hello, Katrina is alive and

812
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: present today, right. That is from no. That is called

813
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: uranus shift, that's called internal present vision. And you, as

814
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: a Pisces, will lead us on the Starship Enterprise, onto

815
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: the Starship Enterprise, star Trek, back to star Trek with

816
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: your Pisces vision. And the more Critrian is released, the

817
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: better for the world. Yes, okay, I want to ask,

818
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: we got to ask me the question we do have

819
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: and what were the thing? Is the thing? I also

820
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: in the best way that this conversation has been for days, right, yeah,

821
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: I feel in the best way like I've learned so much. Truly,

822
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful, nurturing, amnionic my god. Argonauts. Argonauts

823
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: were in the birthing vessel liquid. Yes, okay, that's very Pisces.

824
00:49:53,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: Connect with that word. I do. Second, I you saw it. Well,

825
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: let's let's just dip our toe in this ruby. We

826
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Speaker 1: asked the question to everybody, what was the culture that

827
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: made you say culture is for me? This is the

828
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: pop culture more sort of like rude for me, culture

829
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: that like infiltrated you at a young age that made

830
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, now I'm going to step into being

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00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: the Ruby, the Collister that we now have. Okay, this

832
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: is hard, but it's it's camp. It really is okay

833
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Speaker 1: because check it out really quick. I won't belabor this,

834
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Speaker 1: but I was famously not Jewish, and it's really hard

835
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Speaker 1: for me. I went to preschool at a J. C.

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Speaker 1: C On Olympic Boilivard in Los Angeles, California, sat there bizarrely.

837
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Speaker 1: I asked my mom the other day, why did you

838
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: do that? She goes, I don't know. I was like

839
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: a crazy liberal in the ninth Was it because it

840
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: was full day? It was full day and it was

841
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: cheaper than private. Why their kids to schools that they

842
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't normally do because it's full day. Because my sister

843
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: went to a full on and we were Catholic, went

844
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: to a Catholic school kindergarten because it was full day

845
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: and they had no other full day can garden and

846
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: my mom was like, my daughter, we'll be going to

847
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: school for a full day. So I went Bruka Little

848
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: Colam every Friday, Happy pass Over from from Friday from

849
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: ages three to five. That's affirmative. Okay, so huge huge.

850
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: I did not celebrate Hanakah. I did not celebrate any

851
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: of these holidays, but I lied and I said that

852
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I did. Obviously I didn't want to be the only right.

853
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: Then one day, my mom one year, she goes, we

854
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: are going to celebrate Hanakah this year. I'm sorry that

855
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: we haven't before. I know that you feel really like isolated,

856
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, great, fine, my mom. In the back

857
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: room of our we ho rented one story, yes bunglow,

858
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: had a table where she would read to Row cards

859
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: because obviously, my mommy is also from California. Little you know,

860
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: a little google. Mom's name is Sue that very cool West,

861
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Sue Lee West, and she would read her to row

862
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: cards on this table. I was small, obviously I'm still

863
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: small short. I go rummaging underneath the table. One day

864
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: suddenly I find this box VHS tapes on it. Beautiful

865
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: box was a gorgeous box, really colorful, and I read

866
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: the words, well, I couldn't read it, but what it was.

867
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: I popped in the tape. I popped into tapes. I

868
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: popped into tape is Pee's. I found a box at

869
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: a Pee's playhouse at age three, and I come home,

870
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: my mom goes, oh, no, that was your Hanakah gift.

871
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: I was hiding it under my table as a Hanakah gift,

872
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: and I know you were hiding this for me and

873
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: my I watched one fog head exploded and the like

874
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: tortured gay culture that is camp in a way like

875
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Paul Ruben's famously can't come out right, that whole thing.

876
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: And then yes, but the fact we're still Kritrina goes,

877
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: is he gay? That's kookie? So I mean at this

878
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: at this point, everyone's like Paul Ruben's gay. Yeah, but

879
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to him. It doesn't it's too late.

880
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: The patriarchy has ruined someone. It's true, he was even

881
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: with someone like what's his face? Dancer workouts a tragedy,

882
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: a tragedy, tragedy of the patriar. Absolutely and the camp

883
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: of PE's Playhouse illuminated me to myself and then weirdly

884
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: that allowed me to look at the ship my parents

885
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: were around and producing and stuff like my mom produced

886
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: a run of Lipsinka when I was seven. Do you

887
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: ever lipsynco? Yes? Many times? And she showed me that

888
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: she stuffed her gowns with socks and it was it

889
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: was like then I understood Lipsynca, do you know, like

890
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Pee's Playhouse. Was this like gateway to understanding, like, oh,

891
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: the ship that my parents are doing is cool, and

892
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: like I get it. And it's fun and it's crazy

893
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: and it's referential and it's for you and not for

894
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: you and you and not for it's exclusive but not

895
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: but populoust at the same time, it's for everybody. And

896
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, camp Camp is the culture of my soul

897
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: that totally tracks And I mean this is not necessarily camp,

898
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: but it sort of is in that orbit where I

899
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: the first thing, one of the first things I said

900
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: to you in person, is like you are so you

901
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: are so Betty Davis. You you gave me that vibe

902
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: not not not not that not not camp. I mean,

903
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: Betty isn't Camp. She isn't well no, but now she is.

904
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Now she is in the characterizations we know of her,

905
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because and Susan Srenthon and

906
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: portraying but said it was hard not to do a

907
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: drag queen Camp version of her because that is what

908
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: everyone wants, right. But that's the thing about Camp that

909
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: since I was exposed to it's so so young. I

910
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: realized that I could, I could adopt a bravado and

911
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: it and it be genuine to myself, that it was

912
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: speaking to an essential expression rather than me being dragged inherited,

913
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so yeah, that's that's

914
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: what I'm all about. So I have a question for you,

915
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: what are your feelings on the met Gala adopting a

916
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: Camp theme this year? Is that? Really? That's now? I

917
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: got chills in a bad way because it's this thing

918
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: of when something that is so niche and it's a

919
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: powerful and its nicheness then becomes for everyone. Now we're

920
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: going to have to see Kylie Jenner come out in

921
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: a Camp costume. But the thing is is Camp is

922
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: a really has been. Of course, this is happening because

923
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Camp has been in a very interesting place in the

924
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: past few years. Because of Instagram and because of just

925
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: like the increase of social media and fast fashion, people

926
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: can buy camp be things without needing to really inherently

927
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: search for them totally. They are everywhere. Now Camp is

928
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: in a really huge shift to the point at which

929
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: it's not really Camp is in a shift because I

930
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: think what we know is Camp is going to change.

931
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: It's going to be because it always has to subvert,

932
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: it always has to be relative to something else. Yes,

933
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: And it's so it's changed. It because it is camps

934
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: like campus, like um, you know, Asra Miller, like wearing

935
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: a gown, you know. And and the only reason that's

936
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: considered camp is because he is a mainstream star acting

937
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: outside of the norm, right And and this is the

938
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: this is maybe controversy. I think I think it's great

939
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: wearing dresses. It's it's it's you know, he should be

940
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: actually loves those, Yeah, and he looks great. Um. But

941
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: it's a tough place for Camp right now because everyone

942
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: is checking each other to make sure we're all saying

943
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: doing the right things and being like it was, operating

944
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: within boxes that are welcoming or inclusive or respectful, etcetera.

945
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: And now it's interesting because Camp is that one thing

946
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: that was embraced by the other community and now anything

947
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: that could be Camp might test that. And do you

948
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I think, what what's happening right now?

949
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: Because Camp? I've read a lot about Camp, um and

950
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: like famously obviously notes on Camp Susan Sontag, there's this

951
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: other book just called Camp, that is by this British

952
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: author blank really I think so, I'll give it to

953
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: you if you don't, because his take on it is

954
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: it's anti. It's anti was Susan Sontag said about it,

955
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: which is um the interface of highl culture. His take

956
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: on it is that camp is actually a state of mind.

957
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: It is actually a psychology of people um testing the

958
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: limit of society, of pushing it, and not camp as

959
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: an aspect of pushing but not necessarily fully adopting. Famously,

960
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: camp people talk about sex, but when it comes to

961
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: sometimes the sexual act are completely frigid. Like that's a

962
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: note he put in the book, which I thought was fabulous, fabulous,

963
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I love that. That's so real. And

964
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: I think, while we're entering the starship enterprise, the boundaries

965
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: are shifting, and therefore camp has to shift, as you're saying,

966
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: and the society's boundaries are moving farther and farther and

967
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: farther back, that inherently camp has to move with it.

968
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: So what we know as camp is now just in

969
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: aesthetic and ding dong the met Gala camp is now

970
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: just an aesthetic. But I'm saying because I adhered to

971
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: identifying as a camp person is no campus. We're finding

972
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: the edge, we're finding the back wall, we're finding where

973
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: to keep pushing, and I think we're just in a again. Culture.

974
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: Isn't such a massive transition right now because we have

975
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: really pushed it forward these past few years really hard,

976
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: and with Trump and like it's just it's such a

977
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: saturated hunt and I think people are getting zoned out.

978
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: I think people are bored. I think people are not.

979
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: So we're pushing now, and it's we're in a really

980
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: bizarre moment. The transits. It's the transit, you know, on

981
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: a more micro scale, like like it's interesting that you're

982
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: saying all this stuff. And then like I was talking

983
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: to Suit today at brunch and we were saying, how like,

984
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: of course love Suit. Yes, well she's the the yeah,

985
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: the genius um. So we were saying how I was

986
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: talking about how I don't get up that much now

987
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: a and then oftentimes when I do go up in

988
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: l A, I'll be last. I'll be last on the lineup,

989
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: And I think, well, because he'll be big energy, and

990
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm watching everything else like and like you know, stand

991
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: up spaces and everything is still kind of still very

992
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: low energy, low energy, low energy. And then there's this,

993
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of what's happening in New York

994
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: comedy or at least in the queer comedy scene in

995
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: New York, where everyone's performing, and it feels like there's

996
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: like sort of a shift and attention to like performance

997
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: and sort of that kind of thing where it's like

998
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to be at a show and not know

999
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. Um. And I think that

1000
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: interest in that kind of thing is a response to

1001
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: being buck fucking board with you know, even straight culture

1002
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: becoming because Trump is camp, He's camp a room. It's

1003
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: it's it is unusual, Yeah, and it is bizarre that

1004
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: that's the story. Eatonists is like so so big, you

1005
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's going to the point where

1006
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: it's like the bucket is fall exactly the bucket and

1007
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what the I don't know what that's

1008
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: going to be like. Again, I think really Macro, I'm

1009
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: always thinking really huge, I'm always thinking about culture, capital c.

1010
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: And it's just like my sense, Pisces Moon, my sense is,

1011
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're in a really a numb state right now,

1012
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: we're leveled out. The Mueller report was like, forget about it.

1013
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody after the Muller Report was like, you

1014
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. I'm out. Like I think that

1015
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: literally was just like, you know what, I'm out. He

1016
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't he you're saying he shouldn't be there, but there's

1017
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: nothing we can do. I mean, it's actually brass hats,

1018
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. And it's just it just goes.

1019
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: So what's the strategy now? And I just think like

1020
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: we're going to go. I don't know where we're gonna go,

1021
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: but it's going to be interesting, and I'm excited. I'm not.

1022
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: It's not a negative feeling I have. I don't have

1023
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: a negative, but you know, you know what's interesting. You

1024
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: know what's put us in this place where we can

1025
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: do nothing about a bad situation? Rules, patriarchy, rules borders,

1026
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: the kinds of limitations that we have in places like this,

1027
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: the amount of boxes we have to check to fucking

1028
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: do something about our hopeless situation. Yeah, the bucket is full. Yeah,

1029
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean I the only issue with that is that

1030
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: I believe Trump is very antire rules and very chaos

1031
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: demon and very much like release the you know, like

1032
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's just like whoa, but it's very mad. It's

1033
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: literally mad Max. In fact, it is literally mad Max.

1034
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: And and it's just mad Max for your road. I

1035
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: just think I am focusing personally now back to micro

1036
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: is just about values, Like what does values mean? What

1037
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: is morals? Do morals exist? Like? Is that a real idea?

1038
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: And so I'm just thinking about yeah, just because of

1039
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: you're right, like the borders, but the like I want

1040
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: to have born, it's just like what someone chaotic in

1041
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: the center being somehow protected by people. It's like it's

1042
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: psychotic and it makes no sense. And so now what

1043
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: we have is sixteen candidates, all stepping forward, all throwing

1044
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: their head in the ring. Biden will have announced by

1045
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: the time this episode is out, we have all these people.

1046
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean by the time this announced, but by the

1047
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: time this is out, two of them might have dropped out.

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Speaker 1: But but to be honest, where we're at right now

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Speaker 1: is I'm looking at all these people and I'm like,

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01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: how do you how do you answer the cast? How

1051
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: do you enter the cast? And is the answer with

1052
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: someone who's a cipher because the big story right now

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: and he is the big story right now. He is

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: the big story right now. And the reason why he

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: is hitting so hard is because he is diverse enough

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: for people, but also relatable enough for people and just

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: enough for everyone. But if you look at what's actually

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: going on, his policies are very much blank slate. And

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: so if what we're answering this all with is a

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: blank slate, then we have a lot of work to

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01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: do with him, because I do like him, and I

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: do think it could happen, but we have to fill

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: that slate with something that really stands for something outside

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: of capable. He he's a cipher and that he's bare

1065
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: minimum and then that you can and that people can

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: just project whatever they want on to it, and and

1067
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: they're projecting hope onto him because the Obama narrative is beginning,

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, I believe it. I

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: believe it is. I believe it is. I believe the

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: Obama narrative, this is narrative is beginning. Where people see

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: him and he speaks to a lot of people. He's different,

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: he comes from a marginalized perspective like for for the

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01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: most part, and he is a change and that we

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen him before I'm not saying he's the same power,

1075
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he has the same sort and

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: the narrative and look at how cute as husband and

1077
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: oh there he goes speaking French and we're impressed. And

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: you can't just be impressed. We have to something has

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: to happen where it's like we have to either celebritize

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01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: him in the way that it can compete with Trump,

1081
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: because I do believe the star of the election will win,

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: and I'm scared about that because Trump is. Yeah, I mean,

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: I just think my personal answer is just everybody has

1084
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: to remind themselves about wealth. I just think I think

1085
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: for me personally, is like the way anyone will win

1086
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: is through the adaptation of unfortunately, the conversation about class.

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: Whoever does that act vivaciously in a new way, in

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: a way that catches our that's the person who's gonna

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: as I think, but I think it's like it's a

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: class thing. It really is. Obviously it should it always

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01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: should be. That started happening in twenties sixteen. Obviously the

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01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: rattles of that. Trump adopted it in his own vernacular.

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: But it for me, that is that's in this lull

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: time of we're not talking about the we're not talking

1095
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: about saving democracy anymore. I don't think I think that's

1096
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: sort of I think we have to start taking its

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: class fascinating. It's not protecting our politicians anymore. A story

1098
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: came out that said that I think it was like,

1099
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm off on this figure, but I believe it's a

1100
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: large number of sport they would vote for Trump instead

1101
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: of Elizabeth Warren. And I'm like, this is a huge problem.

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Well, it's because she didn't adopt a conversation

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: about class fast enough to be honest, and it's also

1104
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: sexism obviously. Um, but yeah, the class thing is um

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01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: at least also for me and growing up in like

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: me as an artist, to be honest, it's all class

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: for me going forward. Are you hearing this? My agent,

1108
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: my manager? It is? It is, it is, it is,

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: it is. I love this, don't you know? This is

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01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: as we get on the enterprise, As we get on

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01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: the enterprise, and I think we're about to get on

1112
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: the enterprise with I don't think so. I don't think so.

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01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: One of the one of the top I don't think so, honey.

1114
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: Moments of all time came when Ruby mccalluster stepped on

1115
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: stage and said, I don't think so, honey, when your

1116
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: boot doesn't have a silhouette from the side, and that

1117
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: was that was a huge moment. I could you could

1118
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: feel the air shift in the room. People said, this

1119
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: is something that I knew to be true, but no

1120
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: one's articulated it in this way. And and what did

1121
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: you do? You edify it was editing. Well, the first

1122
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: thing she did was slap her goddamn foot on the

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: floor and point to her foot. So the audience, the audience,

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: the visual experience for the audience was very powerful, and

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: I feel that the audio visual experience was made even better.

1126
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: But the fact that we could hear the foot stomp

1127
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: on the ground in the recording, go back and listen.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear that here? Ladies and gentlemen. That was

1129
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: the last November. Thank you very much, and we're still talking.

1130
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: And I'm really proud. I haven't seen in a lot

1131
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: of bad boots in a while. I think it, actually,

1132
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: I really do. I'm not trying to pat myself, but

1133
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: I really do think I did. I think it was

1134
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: a witchcraft. It was, Yeah, it was very much. Oh

1135
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: my god, you know, I don't I know, hot producer

1136
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: Imma is wearing some that's like a clog clog boot.

1137
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: He'll love that. I could never pull that off. Well,

1138
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: here we go. This is our one minute segment that

1139
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: we take to rant against something in culture that's not good.

1140
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: And we need to talk about me on mil Trina today.

1141
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I have something. This is Matt Rodgers, could Trina clarities Rogers.

1142
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now.

1143
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Parents with a whole brood

1144
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: of kids that have this a name with the same

1145
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: first letter acceptable, especially when you have upwards of four

1146
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: five in the un children. Let me tell you a story.

1147
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: Come on, I don't think so, honey. A family I

1148
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: grew up with they had five children. Their names Brent

1149
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: Late and this is how you end up with Brocks

1150
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: in the world. This is why there are men out

1151
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: there named Brock is because we have to follow these rules, honey.

1152
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: And you put rules already in your nuclear family family,

1153
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: and we have all this. This is TACKI hunted. You know,

1154
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: if you have a house full of kids with all

1155
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: these names, you also have chats in the house, probably

1156
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: with the names written on them, stop it you want.

1157
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm okay with homes that have an animal

1158
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: theme tying it together. I'm not okay with homes that

1159
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: have all these kids name with a name. And that's

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: one minute. I don't think so, honey. And that's because

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: if you are the fifth of five and your name

1162
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: is also a B, you know what people thought when

1163
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: they were naming you, not about your legacy, about their

1164
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: own legacy. That's so true. That's look. Look, look, she

1165
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: points to her arm and Nu Nu Keller family, nuclear family.

1166
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 1: That family is nucular family. Killer. No, he's a nuclear family.

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: Might even said nuclear family. I'm so excited that I

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: pronounced nuclear correctly when I jumped into Katrina. You are

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: on has But tell me I'm wrong. Do you know

1170
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: his family? Absolutely? That is how Brock was when it's

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: so true because you go Betty boo boo, Brock. We

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: had one that's a Betty, that's a boo boo. And

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: how many good bee names are there that aren't Brock? Sure,

1174
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: Bill fucking the Fans family growing up, the Cohens, Jamie,

1175
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: Jackie jaden See. And the thing is like at least

1176
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: like Joan, is it also a product is a tough one. Also, Jaden,

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01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: I think it's fucked up that will under flipped because

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: it is not its obscene. You rob your children of

1179
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: their own identity. It's not about their legacy, it's about yours.

1180
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: And I also don't like juniors. No, no, juniors. Please

1181
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: give your child their own name. In fact, you're them

1182
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: a star's name. Give them a star Beyonce. Know well,

1183
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: that's the same thing where you're not giving them their

1184
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: own identity, and it's it's relative. What did you say,

1185
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: why did you what did you just say? That's also

1186
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: if you name it, if you name a child after

1187
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: a celebrity. And then also, no, no, no, I'm saying

1188
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: you must follow in the footsteps of Matthew and Tina

1189
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: and name your child something like so that it can

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01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: be a star. God, I thought you were saying name

1191
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: your child. No, but by the same token, if Beyonce's

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: sister had been named Blanche, then I would have had

1193
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: an issue. But her name is so long. Did you

1194
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: say there was something? Did you say Katrina famously words?

1195
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: What did she say? Oh my god, that's beautiful, Trina,

1196
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: is I love this? We're happy that Katrina is here.

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: Tonight for the night of the live shown by Baby.

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: All Right, so this is I don't think so honey,

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: his time will start now. I don't think so many

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 1: coffee shops that have cold brup but not iced coffee,

1201
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: iced coffee. Okay, And look, the culture has to shift

1202
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: in this regard because you're not going to fucking jack

1203
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: me up on whatever insane sixteen hours brewing steeping process

1204
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: that is actually being put in some plastic now gene

1205
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: bullshit tub in your closet, because you trust me. I

1206
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: was a barista for all all of two days before

1207
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: I got another job. I know how how the sausage

1208
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: gets made, and it's disgusting and it's not acceptable. And

1209
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: I see you. I just want coffee that was that's

1210
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: been dripped brood with ice in it, and not hot

1211
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: coffee that's been watered down. I want coffee that's stored cold,

1212
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna drive me insane and veer the

1213
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: course of my day off of its track five seconds,

1214
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: and you better fucking believe that I will sue all

1215
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,440
Speaker 1: of you for all your worth once I have the capital.

1216
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: That's one minute. This is important to talk about because

1217
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: ice coffee delightful cold brew potentially another D word, dangerous.

1218
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: I've been on knocking on this podcast that when I

1219
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: have one cold brew, I become Scarlet Johnson in the

1220
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: film Lucy Yes, Killing Machine, and I need to be

1221
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: drinking something bowen, especially the writers from something I've just hell,

1222
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: I need a beverage to And this is what I've done,

1223
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: lady in gentlemen, as I live and breathe, I have

1224
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: switched to iced americanos, thank you, thank you, because it's

1225
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: just too much much. But I am cond of suffer

1226
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: the same thing as hot coffee with ice on it.

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because it's just a little a little bit

1228
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: of hot liquid, which is an espresso and it's already

1229
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: it's already water anyway, yes, And it's just like it's

1230
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: it's so much. The cold brew fetish is bananas, cuckoo cuckoo,

1231
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: Congkong like it's like it's like it is. Cold brew

1232
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: is a product of of asculinity and colonialism. I'll tell

1233
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: you something. I'm going on that, but when I want

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: to hear and then i'll counterpoint, because I think cold

1235
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: brew is a product of liberalism gone too far, true true,

1236
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: which is colonialism gone too far, we're all the same team.

1237
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: But coffee, I mean, nobody talks about with these beans

1238
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: come from well, I mean that is that is one

1239
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: aspect to it, of course, and we can't even get

1240
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: into that even even even if it places as fair

1241
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: trade as you know, think coffee. This is this is

1242
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: how cold brew is colonialism. It just it is not

1243
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: a product. It just it is a cultural um. It

1244
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: is some Any dangerous, destructive idea is just language. It's

1245
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: just distorted words that are tied to concepts that where

1246
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: the linguistic thing is that the concept doesn't exist without

1247
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: the word. And this is what it is. Someone said,

1248
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: this is a new invention called cold brew, and it's beautiful,

1249
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: and this is how it's different, and here's how we

1250
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: can push it and market it and then it fully

1251
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: fully just displaced ice coffee. Do you know what I'm saying? Displaced?

1252
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: And that is just colonialism. It is true. I love

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Speaker 1: ice coffee and you can't find it in Amerry. You cannot,

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: not anymore. Honey, go to France. I mean, like, where

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01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: can we get a nice coffee where? I think the

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01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: last one I had was Montreal. There you go both

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: the name of the greatest city in the world, and

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: Montreal just is eleven. London is twelve. I didn't even

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01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: say Montreal because actually I have breaking news. Montreal has

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01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: superseded being a city and has become a phenomenon. Katrina,

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: you are driving the Enterprise today. See I am at

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: the hell move over, Mr Kirk. I don't even call

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01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: you your name, captain, captain culture. Captain Piccard is queer cultured.

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01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: Picard is queer culture. But didn't Piccard? Wasn't Piccard captain

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01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: of the Enterprise. I'm unwilling to answer that question. No,

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: but wasn't. The first captain was Kirk. First first captain

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01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: was Kirk. If we're doing O G. Cannon Star Trek,

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01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: we always are. Not famously, I'm famously next gen, but

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Speaker 1: I'm so new to this anyway, We're gonna move on.

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: This is Ruby McAll I don't think so, honey, Ruby Oh.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for this. This is Ruby mc callisters.

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so many of her time starts now.

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01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People not saying murderer before

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01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: they say Billy Joel Oh is a murderer. He killed

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: somebody with a car. Do you hy Long Island hunting.

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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: Brandy cannot catch a break. Yes, she killed someone in

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: a car that was an accident. She is a legend

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01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: and she cannot escape this name. You know who else

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01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: killed the car? The car Matthew Roger. He cannot go

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: down the street without someone saying a murderer in a car.

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01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: You know who can bloated semi talented songwriter be Billy Joel.

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01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: He's so out MSG every single fucking night I hear

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: people on the street singing is goddamn song, not even

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: knowing he is a murderer. Capital next time you hear

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: piano man, no, it is an okay less queer version

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01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: of an Elton John song written by a goddamn motherfucking

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01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: murder text MSG in the morning, I feel like playing

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01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: and he can. That's Bull on his hands on the

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 1: street island, you know what I mean? I mean like

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: Brandy shouldn't be called the murder ever, and neither should

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01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: not do Brodger, But White does the past. Can you

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01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: just tell us what exactly went that with with Billy Joel?

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01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know that, and he was and somebody died,

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: someone fully died, and nobody knows, nobody talks about it.

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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. The other week, I was in a pizza

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01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: strap yeah icon I love. I don't recognize the word pizza.

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: A lot of pizza store and I was with famous

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Speaker 1: Lee David Goldberg. Yes, and we were, you know, talking, talking, talking,

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01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. There's a girl who sits down. She

1300
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: was already making you know, she's already little too big

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: for the context. She was like boogy jogging to a

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01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: disco song in the pizza store. It was just too much.

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01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: And it was like, it's late, and we know you're

1304
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: from out of town. Do you know what I mean?

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01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: Like you stop them right exactly exactly. It was like

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01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: one and more, it's just like stopping. Then she sits down.

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: She starts singing Billy Joel on top of her lugs.

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01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: And I turned to David and I go, she's my nightmare.

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01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: And then she hears me, come on, I love that,

1310
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: and she goes, what did you say? And I said,

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01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: you know what? I turned her. You know what I

1312
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: said something mean about you And it's because you're seeing

1313
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: Billy Joel right now and he is a murderer. And

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: I go, he is a murderer. And I know for

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: a fact you didn't know that. What did she say?

1316
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: She couldn't. But she goes, wait, you don't like your

1317
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: making fun of me because I'm sinking along with Billy Joel.

1318
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I actually am. And I said

1319
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: I never said I was nice. You don't know who

1320
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: I am. And yes, I'm a snob, oh Ruby, And

1321
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: I just and I was just honest. I just had

1322
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: to be honest. I didn't want her to make her

1323
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: feel necessarily bad. I just wanted to her to see

1324
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: my point of view. And you want her to go

1325
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: up and go over and look it up later because

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01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: guess what is probably on the internet for everyone's I'm

1327
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: sure it's like any other Kennedy's. Sorry Tree, No, I

1328
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: cannot get enough of Never Forget Chap. A critic also,

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01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, is it like a Laura Bush thing where

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Laura Bush Laura Laura also vehicular manslaughter? Are you Stori? Yes, yes, yes,

1331
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: Well we have to look into every case of vehicular

1332
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: manslaughter ow thing. We really do well do a special

1333
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: episode the next time because of that, well through every

1334
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: case of celebrity vehicular manslaughter. That's show that's done that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of people everyone's addicted to it.

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01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's everywhere. But again again, Matthew Roderick,

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01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: he goes Matthew Roderick, actor murderer, Like that's how people

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01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: and this poor guy, I mean, very complicated figure. I

1339
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: could get into it, but I won't. He I have

1340
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: questions about him too, I really do, big, big, huge questions,

1341
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: very much star Trek questions for him. But but you know,

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: despite my personal feelings about him, that's an intense you know,

1343
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: it's intense to have that on your title. Brandy Again,

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: Brandy is an icon star angel, one of the best

1345
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: thingers ever the world so much and like I just

1346
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 1: can't live it down. You can't live it down. Crazy

1347
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: unfair and the fact that Billy Joel has completely escaped

1348
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: this again, it's just the patriarchy. It's the patriarchy. And

1349
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: and also it's it's it's honestly what it is. What

1350
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: it is. It's his fans, which are probably largely white

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01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: man and white culture and not wanting to give him up.

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: And it's your kind of same way with Michael Jackson. Now,

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: well with Michael Jackson, that's interesting. I mean when you

1354
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: hear man in the mirror on the radio. Now, are

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01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: you're not like, well, okay, White, Josh Sharp shivers, White shivers.

1356
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: But Josh Sharp pointing me to this episode of The

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01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: Daily where one of the co hosts of Still Processing

1358
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: talks about this, talks about how he's like, it might

1359
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: be impossible to fully cancel Michael Jackson just because he's

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: someone so simon who just proliferated culture in every possible way. Yeah,

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: and that he like invented what we know of as

1362
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: pop music. So even if you're listening to Rihanna in essence,

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01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: you are also hearing the legacy of Michael Jackson. And

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01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: I loved that take of it. I truly did. And

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01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: it's so much more, and I'm doing it such an

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01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: injustice by repeating it back, by paraphrasing it, but like

1367
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: there's so much nuance to his argument, and it's just like, oh, ship,

1368
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: he might be right. Yeah, yeah, he has a point.

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01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's that's my little hot take, of

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01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: which there have been so many. I think this is

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01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. There's nothing more I love than

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: to finish an episode and called canon because it just

1373
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: means the legacy has been added to every single time record.

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01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: That's our legacy. Well we can invite someone like Ruby

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01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: into the studio and so it's not only yes to

1376
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: the legacy, but and she has given something to the legacy,

1377
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: which is she has given life and of voice to Katrina.

1378
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: So what are you literally doing now? I'm on tour

1379
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,839
Speaker 1: with Sarah Sherman. I'm you know, I am doing some acting.

1380
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of acting right now. So fascinating,

1381
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: so fascinating. My podcast with Max Witter chuck it out

1382
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 1: where like it's very hard to produce, so it's not

1383
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: very consistent, but but it's wonderful Cannon and um. But

1384
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: and also I have famously a fashion project called Sophia

1385
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: Paris that will come out very soon, a new collect

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: I can't we we thank you and praise you, thank you,

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: praise as do I as I do, I do, I

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01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: do do I This episode and the Pisces Greg Greg

1389
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: get Leo finished every episode with a song which is

1390
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: at Bowen and Ruby's demand. Okay, I'm stunting with the

1391
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: man in the mirror. How did you feel? How did

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01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: you feel? You didn't feel good? Did you how did

1393
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: you feel? I mean, that's not its best song, So

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01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: what's his best song too? Honestly, this is a hot

1395
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: shape sing it. I want to rock video that. This

1396
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: is like that, I like you do your your favorite song.

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know. I feel like it's

1398
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: like I'm pelling's not my lover, She's just take girl.

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01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: That also in context, Billy, she is not. She's just

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01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: a girl. She's just a girl. Like it's like, oh

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01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: my god, your beard, your beards are the kids think

1402
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: about the think no one's going to save you when

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01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:02,879
Speaker 1: the beasts is about to stroke. Oh my god, you're

1404
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: not alone. I am here with you. Okay, we can't

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01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: by by. This has been a Forever Dog production executive

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01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: produced by Brett Baham, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey. For

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: more original podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot com

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