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Speaker 1: Here we go our word two on a Monday, Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselback three to four minutes out the news of the day,

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Speaker 1: Just change Brian Davell out fire, just like the Jets

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Speaker 1: last year. Firing the head coach middle of the season

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Speaker 1: who happens to be.

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Speaker 3: The best coach on the staff.

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Speaker 1: Not what I would have done, but it does give

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Speaker 1: you a head start on the best coach available on

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Speaker 1: the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: It's an offensive league.

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Speaker 3: You can go to.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good B plus coach. You know,

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Speaker 1: would an a coach want that job?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I got news for eight coaches like Mike Frable. They

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Speaker 1: don't want the Jets of the Giants. He wanted to

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Speaker 1: go back to Robert Kraft. Jim Harbaugh is not even

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Speaker 1: Michigan for the Jets or Giants. Sean Payton's not taking

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Speaker 1: those jobs. What happens in the NFL is the good

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Speaker 1: coaches use the Jets and the Giants, make sure everybody

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Speaker 1: thinks they're interested. Then they take the better job with

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Speaker 1: the better owner. But I wouldn't have fired Dave Ball.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Matt hassel Back in a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: But it is Monday.

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin

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Speaker 1: was right, I said three years ago, I said, if

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford ends his career like I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: end it, you're gonna look at he and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and say who is really better?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: He's the MVP.

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Speaker 1: Last two years, forty five touchdowns, ten interceptions, and Aaron

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Speaker 1: looks really old. Matt Stafford with this coach, finally has

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Speaker 1: a reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And right there's

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Speaker 1: not a better guy from the pocket in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now than Matt Stafford of the La Rams.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I defended hiring seventy four year old Pete Carroll, but

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Speaker 1: Seattle's on fire since he left, and the Raiders are

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Speaker 1: getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith that I don't

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Speaker 1: get Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know. Nothing's working. I'm not expecting you

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Speaker 1: to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams,

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Speaker 1: the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, The Niners are what I.

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Speaker 1: Thought they were, not as good Seattle to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: That's why I picked him for third. People said to you,

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Speaker 1: out of your mind, and I said, they're old, expensive

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Speaker 1: and brittle. Old players get hurt more and it takes

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Speaker 1: longer for the old players to get back. It's not

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Speaker 1: Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't don't don't

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Speaker 1: blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are an old football team, and

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Speaker 1: you are seeing the results of that very old football team.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Now we can show the Michael Pennox video three straight

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Speaker 1: games completing less than sixty percent of his throws, and

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Speaker 1: I liked him out of college. In fact, he had

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Speaker 1: forty five career start So my takeaway was he's going

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Speaker 1: he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't look right, and I got to take a wrong

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, I.

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Speaker 1: Said a couple of years ago, John Snyder's as good

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Speaker 1: I think there's an argument this is the best and

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Speaker 1: fastest roster in the NFL. Turn the sound down and

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Speaker 1: watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick

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Speaker 1: That is great gmming. Right now, this roster is as

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong, I said to.

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Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks, I said, they're going to make the Western

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Speaker 1: the West, second worst in the league. Offensively, they're brutal,

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Speaker 3: Boy, did I miss on the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 3: Everybody bailed on Kaylan de Boor. Oh, Kaylan de Boor

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Speaker 3: is no Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, LSU Vandy in Missouri four

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Speaker 1: straight ranked matchups that he's won. And you know it

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Speaker 1: takes even if you replace Nick Saban. You got to

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Speaker 1: build your own culture. And nobody's discussing the truth is

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Speaker 1: in the nil world. Bama doesn't have a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's got better players than Alabama. It's not particularly close.

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Speaker 3: He's going to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I worried about hiring two coordinators in house.

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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell admitted.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday he took over the play calling.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do that with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 1: So when you hire in house and don't have a

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Speaker 1: global search, you may get a really good candidate, but

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Speaker 1: a league of discomfort. So and Dan Campbell soft sold it,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it was a collaborative effort. He

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright Colin wrong on a Monday with that Matt

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we put up forty five points, almost six hundred yards. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was the play caller, you know. So that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't like firing the best coach in

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Speaker 1: get to the end of the season. Because I always

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Speaker 1: worry about the substitute teacher law.

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Speaker 3: Everybody loves the interim.

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Speaker 1: Everybody plays great with the interim, they win three games,

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Speaker 1: best coach, it's the interim. I don't like firing Brian

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Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I get that point. But there's a lot

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Speaker 5: more that goes into this. And you know, the losing

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Speaker 5: record I think twenty and forty over his career and

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Speaker 5: stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's those things. I think I think

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Speaker 5: that concussion protocol mix up, you know, I think that's

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's That's not the New York Giants.

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Speaker 5: They don't want to be known for stuff like that

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Speaker 5: on the fringes, and I think that played into it.

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Speaker 5: And I think the bigger thing is just that your

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Speaker 5: tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated for

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Speaker 5: concussions four times since he's been playing recently. And they're

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Speaker 5: running him the way that they were running like Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're all this quarterback run game. I get it.

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Speaker 5: You get an advantage in the run game, it's working.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, you got to have a little

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Speaker 5: bit more care for the future of the franchise. And

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Speaker 5: that's exactly what that quarterback is. So and I think

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Speaker 5: those things also played into this thing. And just one

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Speaker 5: other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 5: having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 5: doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy like this,

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Speaker 5: This absolutely plays into the decision.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle

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Speaker 5: I mean, And it's not so much about just letting

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Speaker 5: somebody walk, Like you're having closed closed door discussion and saying, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, what's our problem, what's our thing? And like

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Speaker 5: maybe you're saying, like we just don't have the right quarterback.

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Speaker 5: He's just not elite. We need someone who's really like clutch,

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Speaker 5: you know, like like whatever the things are that we're

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Speaker 5: prize possession in Jackson Dart, You know, they're not so sure.

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Speaker 5: And Mike Kafka, Listen, he's a guy that he gets

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Speaker 5: named for head coaching interviews every offseason. It feels like

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Speaker 5: he's you know, he's been with Andy Reid. He's kind

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Speaker 5: we go into our coaching search.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm I am watching.

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Speaker 1: I said, I literally feel like I have a beat

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Speaker 3: Bit of a beat on what did you make of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I

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Speaker 5: mean you say that they beat down the Colts and

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Speaker 5: created those turnovers, like I said, But you know, I

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Speaker 5: just I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with

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Speaker 5: the New York Jets. Again. You know, they abandoned the

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Speaker 5: New England. That's why it's ironic that they're doing so

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Speaker 1: So I think both of us agreed to. The first

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you probably like Caleb more than me.

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Speaker 5: I think you're ready to I've heard you say some

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Speaker 5: He's a young player, and so he's done a great

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Speaker 5: this past week. He's finding checkdowns. It's not checked down, Charlie.

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Speaker 5: He's taking shots down the field, but if it's not

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Speaker 5: Am I going to like crown him like you are

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Speaker 5: But Ben Johnson, like I've said, he is the real deal.

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Speaker 5: And if Caleb buys in and allows himself to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Are you trying to even out the scales?

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Speaker 5: Smart, that's next level. That's you like those cool players

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the Seahawks and I know Pete and John

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Speaker 3: They have athletes everywhere. I'm not sure what the hole is.

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Speaker 5: this Seahawks team has been impressive in all three phases.

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Speaker 5: Well, I listen, they're going to do a full search

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Speaker 5: Where's his emotion?

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Speaker 5: need to go out and draft the quarterback of the

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Speaker 5: future or if we already have him in the building

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Speaker 5: and we don't know it. That's kind of what I

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Speaker 5: think about this situation here. And whoever they hire is

439
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Speaker 5: going to have to be somebody that knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to Jackson Dart, or at least can

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Speaker 5: hire the person who knows what they're doing when it

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Speaker 5: comes to Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: You know, UCLA is going to move their football games

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Speaker 1: to soul Far. They're leaving the Rose Ball. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of that?

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Speaker 5: Allegedly allegedly a little controversial?

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Speaker 6: Right now?

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Speaker 5: Is it the Rose Bowl yesterday? Besides the hour and

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Speaker 5: a half draffic to get up there, it's a beautiful,

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Speaker 5: beautiful place to be so well, I don't know. I

451
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Speaker 5: don't know what they're going to do there, but it's

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Speaker 5: a tricky situation called tricky in La.

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Speaker 1: It takes an hour and a half to get to

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, an hour and a half to agree.

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Speaker 3: Great, senior buddy, all right, I see it. Ah love.

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Speaker 3: Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap. That's exactly

457
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Speaker 3: you know. I like it from him. From Jamack it

458
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Speaker 3: gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck I can take it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that uclad, I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 6: That's a fascinating story, and it is super smart of

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Speaker 6: UCLA to move their games to so Fi.

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Speaker 2: You would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: What are you out of your mother?

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Speaker 6: Have you been to Sofi versus where they currently play

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Speaker 6: their games, Colin, So many more people will go to

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Speaker 6: the games.

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Speaker 2: It's so Fi. It's a it's one of the best

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Speaker 2: stadiums in the country right now.

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Speaker 5: It's so new.

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Speaker 2: It is a great venue. I think it's a great attractive.

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Speaker 1: It's closer, it's ten tool well, it's ten miles from

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Speaker 1: the campus and the Rolls Bowls almost thirty So that's

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Speaker 1: I mean. UCLA football is broken, so they have to

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Speaker 1: do something to unbreak it. I mean it's a broken program. Financially,

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Speaker 1: they can't figure it out. It's like one of the

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Speaker 1: lowest nils in the Big ten. So they're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.

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Speaker 6: They sound like a program that's ready to go get

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Speaker 6: a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi.

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Speaker 6: We're relevant. They're striving for relevance. Colin.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in

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Speaker 6: the country, but right now, I think that job is

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Speaker 6: on the optick right now, somebody they're gonna get someone

486
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Speaker 6: young and smart, and u se LA's on the rise

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Speaker 6: for sure, better job than the New York Giants, that's

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Speaker 6: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, it says here, it says here Westwood

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Speaker 1: to so far it's twenty three miles.

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Speaker 6: Really, I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple Maps.

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Speaker 6: I don't know where anything is.

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Speaker 1: I just put how far is west Wood of the

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Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. Not that the national audience cares. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a lot farther.

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Speaker 6: I think they care more about that than the Chicago

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Speaker 6: Bears offense.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Brian Dabole has been let go by the New York Giants.

513
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Speaker 1: Mike Kopka quarterback coach. Quarterback whisper probably takes the reins.

514
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Speaker 1: I don't like firing coaches mid season. Mike McCarthy would

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Speaker 1: get a call from me. You know, the Giants have

516
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Speaker 1: done a lot of this coordinator stuff. What worked Vrabel

517
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Speaker 1: in New England proven head coach Sean Payton and Denver

518
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Speaker 1: proven head coach Jim Harball, Ram Chargers, proven head coach.

519
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Speaker 1: The only thing that worked, Mike McCarthy. Green baita Dallas

520
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Speaker 1: proven head coach, won a lot of games. You can

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Speaker 1: keep doing this coordinator thing. It is a fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty at best shot for more.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with a news no, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 6: All right, Colin, I've been chasing some numbers on this

526
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Speaker 6: Dable stuff. Giants fans are thrilled for some reason that

527
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Speaker 6: Ryan Dable is fired.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, the wins haven't been there. Starting two and eight

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Speaker 6: three straight years. Not great, blowing four double digit leads

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Speaker 6: not great, but remember Colin, this is a team that

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Speaker 6: had a five and a half win total in the

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Speaker 6: preseason in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Five and a half. There's not a lot of talent here.

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Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, when you get a double

536
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Speaker 6: digit lead, that means, man, you're doing some things right.

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Speaker 6: Brian Dabeles doing things right with a rookie quarterback. Okay,

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Speaker 6: in Denver, which is an eight and two team. In Chicago,

539
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Speaker 6: which is a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: So it tells you the game plans. He's breaking down film.

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Speaker 1: If they're taking leads, they can't close the leads out. Yeah, Okay,

542
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons. They lost their star back,

543
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: Jackson Dark gets beat up and they don't they run

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Speaker 1: him or early they may not want to run him

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Speaker 1: as much late. They've also had offensive line injuries, so

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Speaker 1: his scheming, his game plans are very very good. It's

547
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Speaker 1: an incredibly limited roster where the star offensive players all

548
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: get banged up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember this is supposed to be a great defense.

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Speaker 6: Remember the hype around Abdul Carter, Burns, Lawrence and Got

551
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Speaker 6: all these guys, Kevon Tibbott, all these dudes. They currently

552
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Speaker 6: are twenty seventh in the NFL and EPA per play defensively,

553
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Speaker 6: that's horrific. If anything, I would have fired the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 6: not Dable, Because, again, Colin, if I can get a

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Speaker 6: quarterback that's.

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Speaker 2: A rookie to pair with a coach and get double.

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Speaker 6: Digit leads against Dallas and all these teams, I'm signing

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Speaker 6: up for that. That means, like you said, the game

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Speaker 6: plans are there. I don't know if Dable's gonna be

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Speaker 6: a great head coach. Again, you and I seem to

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Speaker 6: think maybe he gets interviews.

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Speaker 2: For head coaching jobs.

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't know, does Tennessee turn to Brian Dable

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Speaker 6: to fix cam Ward? I don't have an answer, Like,

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Speaker 6: is Tennessee an attractive job?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think in a place like Miami, where he's

567
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Speaker 1: the opposite personality of Mike McDaniels, griff He's a groth,

568
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Speaker 1: accountability New York. You know a lot of New Yorkers

569
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Speaker 1: move down to Miami anyway, So he'll go down to Miami.

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Speaker 1: He's intense, he's been a head coach, he's worked in

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Speaker 1: a bigger media market.

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Speaker 3: He's dealt with a young quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Because I think Miami, I mean, if I was Brian

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Speaker 1: Dabele or his agent.

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Speaker 3: I would talk to the Dolphins and go.

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Speaker 1: There was one guy that loved Jackson Dart, Ryan Dabele.

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Speaker 3: The GM didn't love.

578
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Speaker 1: Him, the owner had mixed feelings, the analyst didn't like him.

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Speaker 1: He was the one guy that said, give me Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart over cam Ward. Well, isn't Miami going to draft

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Speaker 1: a quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Well? That's interesting. Would Dabel want to work with Tua?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Is Miami going to be bad enough? They got a

586
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Speaker 6: great win yesterday. I don't know if we'll do anything

587
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Speaker 6: with that. It's an interesting scenario.

588
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Speaker 2: But I think you're onto something with Dable.

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Speaker 6: Remember when he was introduced as a Giants coach, he

590
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Speaker 6: had this very like I'm gonna get in my truck

591
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Speaker 6: and I'm gonna drive to work and I'm gonna put.

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Speaker 2: On my hard hat.

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Speaker 6: That was the vibe and Giants fans loved it. And

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Speaker 6: now he's gonna go down to South Beach and tough

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Speaker 6: it up with perceived to be a soft team.

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Speaker 2: I think you could be honest something.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to Monday Night Football, Big

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Speaker 6: One Colin Jordan Love and the Packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Off a bye.

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Speaker 6: Former Packer Clay Matthews. He's chiming in thinks that if

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Speaker 6: the Packers are going to bounce back, Matt Lafleur needs

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Speaker 6: to hand the keys over to Jordan Love and let

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Speaker 6: him do his thang. Colin, you think that's gonna be enough.

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Speaker 6: By the way, there is some money coming in on

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Speaker 6: the Eagles today. No, I like he's down to one

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Speaker 6: and a half.

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Speaker 1: No. I like Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia by getting Jalen Phillips.

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Speaker 1: That's it's not Michah Parson's acquisition, but he's a really

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00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: good pass rusher. I think Philadelphia at the trade deadline

610
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: made moves that you'll be able to see very quickly

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Speaker 1: to help. I think this team found itself, and I

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Speaker 1: think Philadelphia has got a better roster off of Bye,

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Speaker 1: little healthier. I like Philadelphia here. I know the hot

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Speaker 1: pick is green Bay. I'm on the Eagles tonight.

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00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of it is overreaction to the

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Speaker 6: Panthers loss, which we called here on the show a

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Speaker 6: trap game, and I think the real Green Bay shows

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Speaker 6: up tonight. I don't like the injury report for the Packers.

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Speaker 6: Have you seen their wide receivers are dinged up.

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Speaker 1: Yep, gold Craft has gone and Craft has gone for

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 6: So Tucker Craft gone, I think, and this is my

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Speaker 6: fantasy team talking Christian Watson, big plays over the top,

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Speaker 6: Jordan Love took Christian Watson. I'll take the I'll take

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Speaker 6: the Packers in a close one colin final story.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're actually.

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Speaker 6: Allowed to talk about the Indianapolis Colts on the show now, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I know you woke up early for the Berlin matchup.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 6: The Colts look bad for three quarters and then Jonathan

632
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Speaker 6: Taylor took over. Oh my gosh, eighty three yard touchdown run.

633
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 6: This was spectacular. The clueless Falcons thought he was bottled

634
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Speaker 6: up and Taylor bounces outside says Terrell, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: You know what's gone? What was one hundred and eighty

636
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Speaker 2: six yards?

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Speaker 3: Calling first half?

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00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones once again, the fumble issue surface last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: A lot of giveaways. I think it's seven giveaways last

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Speaker 1: two weeks. So that Daniel Jones in New York. Remember

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Speaker 1: that was the one thing that Brian Dable had to solve,

642
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Speaker 1: is that Daniel had a fumble issue and they kind

643
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Speaker 1: of righted the ship. He goes to Stike and everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a new Daniel Jones. Yes, last two weeks, that's

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Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones that was losing games in New York.

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Speaker 1: Ball security has once again surfaced. Eventually, you know, everything

647
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Speaker 1: regresses to the mean, like that's who Daniel Jones is.

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Speaker 1: So I watched yesterday and I'm like, okay, this was

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants issue ball security fumbles.

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Speaker 6: So my daughter's volleyball team had this big meeting and

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Speaker 6: of course I'm watching the game on my phone sitting

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Speaker 6: in the back, and these dads are like, oh, what's

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Speaker 6: wrong with the Colts J Mack and.

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Speaker 2: I say, guys, I think.

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Speaker 6: The Shane Stikeen offense has been solved two weeks in

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Speaker 6: a row. Now that Daniel Jones is on his back

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Speaker 6: in the pocket and turning the ball over and the

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Speaker 6: Falcons I think they got him five times. Colin they

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Speaker 6: sacked him over six, So that so six seven here

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Speaker 6: we go. So that's back to back weeks where teams

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Speaker 6: are getting to Jones and he's flustered and turning it over.

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Speaker 6: This week, Jonathan Taylor bails him out with an incredible

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Speaker 6: running performance. Now they do Colts go on to buy

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Speaker 6: after the Berlin trip. I wonder if stike In will

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Speaker 6: solve some stuff, you know, figure out, hey, hey, what's

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Speaker 6: going on with you. They're gonna have to simplify the

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Speaker 6: offense for Joe.

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Speaker 1: They're the best team in that division. They have the

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Speaker 1: best roster in that division. I think they have the

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Speaker 1: best coach in that division. They're gonna win that division.

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Speaker 1: I think there's this ceiling. You'll see that ceiling when

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Speaker 1: they face a Herbert or a Dragon may look on

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Speaker 1: the screen.

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Speaker 6: Who they face after the bye Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Mahomes, Andy Reid and Spagnolo.

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Speaker 6: You don't think Spagnolo is one of the best defensive

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Speaker 6: minds in the game.

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Speaker 2: That is a huge test for the Colts. And then

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Speaker 2: after that.

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Speaker 6: The Houston Texans defense, which is very rambunctious on the

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Speaker 6: front line with Will Anderson and Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah at Seattle all of a sudden, okay, yeah, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: winners will be healthier.

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Speaker 2: Do the Colts win a playoff game?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: No, Dold they win the division?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Daniel Jones, they've had so much

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Speaker 1: chaos at quarterback. Their takeaway is he's fine. We will

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Speaker 1: get a reasonable contract and we could draft somebody else

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Speaker 1: that we want, But I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that is so clear in this league what you don't

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Speaker 1: want is chaos at quarterback. Daniel Jones is not chaos.

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Speaker 1: He's not top ten, but he's somewhere between twelve and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this season.

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Speaker 6: So they would likely host a team like Kansas City

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Speaker 6: unless case he wins the division or Buffalo, and I

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Speaker 6: think that that's a tough atcha. So the Colts, then

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Speaker 6: Colin would have gone all in for Daniel Jones, Sauce

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Speaker 6: Gardner giving up their off future pick future picks sorry,

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Speaker 6: and losing the first round, and then Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 6: gonna be like, hey, hey, I need to get paid.

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Speaker 6: I there are some troubling clouds ahead for the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: You see J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Well,

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Speaker 1: there are two teams where there are no clouds on

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Speaker 1: the horizon.

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Speaker 3: That's next, It's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 6: Start your Saturday strong as Michigan clashes with Northwestern at

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Speaker 6: a special venue, historic Wrigley Field. It all starts with

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Speaker 6: Big Noon kickoff at ten am Eastern, Live from the

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Speaker 6: Heart to Chicago. Then it's Michigan Northwestern Big Noon Saturday

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Speaker 6: only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Poor Northwestern had to face USC at the Collie No Match.

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Speaker 1: We always say this, it doesn't take long in any

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Speaker 1: field to see great Mahomes and Lamar Jackson MVPs in

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Speaker 1: their second year. Joe Burrow second year Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: we don't even know if he has the right coach.

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Speaker 1: My rule is, if you got the right coach or

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Speaker 1: at least a super strong coordinator, hopefully both, you'll be

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Speaker 1: able to see by the second year if guy's going

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Speaker 1: to be a legend that looks like Drake Man New England.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a number one receiver, running back by committee,

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Speaker 1: offensive line, solid.

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Speaker 3: Tight end.

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Speaker 1: I like Hunter Henry and he has spinned it. I

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Speaker 1: watched him last yesterday. Todd Bowles, one of the best

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Speaker 1: defensive minds in football, had two weeks they were off

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Speaker 1: a bike weeks to prep for him. This kid can

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Speaker 1: spin it. And this is a young emerging team. Kyle Williams.

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Speaker 1: They haven't played a lot. Traveon Henderson's been running back

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Speaker 1: by committee. Those are stars. They haven't played a ton.

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Speaker 1: Rabel's trying to work him into the system. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: all I know is I've watched him go on the

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Speaker 1: road and beat Josh Allen and go on the road and.

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Speaker 3: Beat an out play.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles had two weeks to come

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Speaker 1: up with a game plan for this young guy, and

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Speaker 1: we watched what Belichick did the Sam Darnold. We know

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks against elite defensive coaches can struggle. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: not it. So I picked him as my double their

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Speaker 1: win total team. I think they're gonna triple it, and

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Speaker 1: that's caught me off guard. The other team that has

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Speaker 1: nothing to worry about is Seattle. It's a great story.

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Speaker 1: So the last couple of years Pete Carroll was in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He and John Snyder were not right. Snyder almost left

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Speaker 1: for you years ago to be the GM in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: The Allen family paid him, he stayed. It is now

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Speaker 1: John Snyder's drafts and roster. The last two and a

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Speaker 1: half years, he's built a monster. He got a third

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Speaker 1: round pick for Gino has Sam Darnald is now less

756
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Speaker 1: of a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They don't miss

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Speaker 1: on draft picks every position. Then at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: Rashid Saheed, who gets the now work again with his

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Speaker 1: coordinator in New Orleans last year. I mean, turn the

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Speaker 1: sound down. This team, I think is the fastest team

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Speaker 1: in the league. They have taken thirty five nothing and

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Speaker 1: twenty eight nothing leads the last two weeks. In the

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Speaker 1: first half, it gets sloppy. Second half, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: motivate guys. Here's Sam Darnold on another MVP level first

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Speaker 1: half performance.

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Speaker 4: It's, you know, a great team win. You know, I

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Speaker 4: thought offensively, we're you know, really efficient in the first half.

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Speaker 4: Second half, you know, got the run game going a

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Speaker 4: little bit. Third quarter was a little sloppy obviously with

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Speaker 4: the turnovers, and we've got to clean that up obviously,

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Speaker 4: but you know, to be able to, you know, end

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Speaker 4: end the game on our terms in four minute situation,

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Speaker 4: you're running the football out. You know, that's how you

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Speaker 4: want to end every single game.

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Speaker 1: And there's no fools goal here. Drake may is not

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Speaker 1: doing dink and dunk. He is second in the NFL

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Speaker 1: in yards per attempt. He's throwing the ball down the field,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, no dinkin dunk throwing the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: And in both cases two of the best young offensive

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Speaker 1: players for the Patriots, Kyle Williams and Trevon Henderson. They're

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Speaker 1: kids in Seattle's offense, second youngest in the league.

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Speaker 3: So you got two young.

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Speaker 1: Star quarterbacks surrounded by all sorts of ascending young talent,

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Speaker 1: meaning New England and Seattle.

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Speaker 3: This is the beginning.

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Speaker 1: These are great, great personnel people, very strong leaders and

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Speaker 1: defensive head coaches and the right offensive coordinators. So Brian

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Speaker 1: Dable the news of the day. It broke late first

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Speaker 1: hour of the Herd. Brian Dable has been let go.

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Speaker 1: Don't like firing coaches, especially best coach on the staff

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Speaker 1: middle of a season, but back to back years in

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Speaker 1: New York Jets and Giants do it. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of reasons why they did it. Some of it is

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Speaker 1: he keeps blowing leads the Blue Tent circus with Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, here's Hasselbeck on the thoughts on

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Speaker 1: on what happened today.

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Speaker 5: Your star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been in that

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Speaker 5: Blue Tent way too much. I think he's been evaluated

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Speaker 5: for concussions four times since he's been playing recently, and

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Speaker 5: they're running him the way that they were running like

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Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game.

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Speaker 5: I get it. You get an advantage in the run

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Speaker 5: game that's working. At the same time, you got to

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Speaker 5: have a little bit more care for the future of

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Speaker 5: the franchise. One other thing, if you think the fact

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Speaker 5: that Daniel Jones having the sess that he's having with

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Speaker 5: Indianapolis Colts doesn't blame this decision as well, you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: Now the Colts have a much better roster the Colts

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Speaker 1: between Pierce and Pittman, Warren, Jonathan Taylor. The Giants used

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Speaker 1: to have a running back like Jonathan Taylor. They let

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Speaker 1: him go to the rival Eagles. So Indianapolis has a

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Speaker 1: tremendous roster outside of the secondary, where they tried to

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Speaker 1: solve it with Sauce Gardner, which I defend. There's a

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Speaker 1: reason Daniel Jones is cleaning up. It's not just Shane Steichen.

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Speaker 1: Offensive line for the Colts last week was read at

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Speaker 1: number one. Their tight end is a Pro bowler as

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Speaker 1: a rookie Jonathan Taylor right now is the best running

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Speaker 1: back in the league. So Daniel Jones is the beneficiary

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Speaker 1: of a tremendous roster. We've been on this for two years.

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Speaker 1: Colts roster's fine. They just didn't have a guy competent

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Speaker 1: enough to complete sixty percent of the throws. So you

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Speaker 1: can throw Dable under a bus. But neighbors hurt, Scataboo hurt.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas is, you know, your excellent left tackle banged

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Speaker 1: up a lot. And I think Dabell got into a situation.

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Speaker 1: Was Jackson Dart's confident and athletic, I'm gonna run him.

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Speaker 1: What else do we have here? I mean they don't

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Speaker 1: have a one or two receiver, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: we said this the downside to having a coach in

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Speaker 1: the hot seat like eber Flus last year or Brian

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Speaker 1: Dabele this year. I mean, they're coaching to win games.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do whatever it takes. Like I get it,

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Speaker 1: You're you're trying to save your job. And so he

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Speaker 1: looks at it and he's like, Jackson Dart's my best athlete,

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna move him down the field. Edie got

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Speaker 1: banged up again, so you know I can sympathize. I

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Speaker 1: think daball in Miami. I think Lane Kevin and Brian

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Speaker 1: Dabele stronger personalities, more alpha than McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: Feel like the fits to me.

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Speaker 6: How about this one, Colin? Usually I don't read my

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Speaker 6: mentions on social media. Somebody hit me with, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know where Brian Dabele was before the Buffalo Bills, Right?

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Speaker 6: I look it up Alabama Crimson Tide twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Remember that year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was Jalen Hurts, the starter to what takes over,

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Speaker 6: Brian Dabele calling plays all season, And then I looked

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Speaker 6: it up. Dable has a history of saying great things

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Speaker 6: about Tua. I believe Brian Dable will probably get the

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Speaker 6: first or second interview with Tua in Miami.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's about higher No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't in the It was a skill set he

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Speaker 1: build was with him in Miami College. Miami can be

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Speaker 1: a loud, chippy, harsh media market. New York is Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Is I think.

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Speaker 1: I think Dabele with Miami is in play