1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: The Sunday Hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: For guys, gals, and nothing in between. Fuel your day 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: at Chalk dot Com, bold reverence. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: And occasionally random The Sunday Hang with playing podcast. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: It starts now. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Trump's truth about reopening Alcatraz as a prison. It's already open, Clay, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: You've been right. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: So I was just there like a month ago, remember, 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: because that's when I watched the great film The Rock 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: with my junior in high school. We were out in 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: San Francisco, we toured Alcatraz. We'll get into the Rock 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: in a little bit. 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, my friend Dave Dave Rutherford, who is a 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: former Navy Seal, has sent us a talk back about 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: this little controversy in that movie because the Seals just 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: get wiped out by the Marines. I'm sure the Marines 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: all laugh about this one and they're like, ah, look 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: at the Seals. But the Seals did not have a 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: good showing in The Rock, which is the most absurd 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: movie and e of us I think have ever. I 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: loved it, though I'm entertaining I'm not going in with 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: a historical accuracy or the analysis of the gun battles 23 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: which I'm sure the Seals are not happy about. I 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: think the idea of a group of Navy seals deciding 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: to take over chemical weapons sorry if you spoiler alert here, 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: deciding to steal chemical weapons and takeover and island the 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Marines for steal it. The Seals try to take the 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: island back. So the Seals are the good guys in 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: this movie. The marines'lay clay. Sorry, sorry my bad. They 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: got the Seals get wiped out, yeah by the marine 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: fast spoiler alert. Yeah, because we're used to this. Usually 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: when the Seals appear in the movie, it's like the 33 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: cavalry arrives. You're not used to the Seals getting all 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: wiped out without taking out a single bad guy. So 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: that's the one part of The Rock Man. So anyway, 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Dave Rutt is a former steal he'll weigh in. We'll 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: have some fun on that. I do. By the way, 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: this is not a Grumpy Buck moment. I do think 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: The Rock is a great watch. It is just absolutely 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: preposterous top to bottom. And it's kind of a stealth 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: James Bond movie too because of the seawning. But another 42 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: big moment from Trump from his Truth social account rebuild 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: and open Alcatraz all caps. For too long, America has 44 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: been plagued by vicious, violent, and repeat criminal offenders, the 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: dregs of society who will never contribute anything other than 46 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: misery and suffering. When we were a more serious nation 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: in times past, we did not hesitate to lock up 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: the most dangerous criminals and keep them far away from 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: anyone they could harm. That's the way it's supposed to be. 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed, 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: and mayhem on our streets. That is why today I 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: am directing the Bureau of Prisons, together the Department of Justice, FBI, 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: at Homeland Security Security to reopen a substantially enlarged and 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: rebuilt Alcatraz to house America's most ruthless and violent offenders. 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: We will no longer be held hostas or criminals, thugs 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: and judges who are afraid to do their job and 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: allow us to remove criminals who came into our country illegally. 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: The reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of law, order, 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: and justice. We will make America great again. Okay, so 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: do we think that Alcatraz is I feel like this 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: would take im. 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: I am behind almost every Trump idea and this is 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: very funny. I just toured Alcatraz. 64 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: I have. 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: Look, there are some things that he tosses out that see. 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: I know he doesn't drink, but this is like Clay 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: Travis three am at the bar, you know. And we 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: should open up Alcatraz again too. We should walk violent 69 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: dangerous criminals up Alcatraz. I just toured it. Alcatraz would 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: need a lot, a lot of work in order to 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: be rehabilitated as a prison. And it isn't even that 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: big of a prison, so you can't even fit that 73 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: many people there and three. 74 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: Hundred people at its peak right in this steam. 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: But we're talking about I don't think you could put 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: people in the jail cells that they put them in 77 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: Alcatraz back in the day, Like you couldn't. 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: I don't. I've been taking tour guide tour guide Clay Tay, Like, 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: what is it like when you saw this compared to 80 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: what you thought of? First of all, we'll talk about 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the rock in a second. The rock is the most 82 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: famous Alcatraz pop culture content of all time, no question. 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Sean Connery, Nicholas Cage, I think it might be Nicholas 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Cage's best movie. But okay, so what was it like 85 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: when you actually saw it? 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: So it is mostly run down, decrepit, right, They haven't 87 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: had any prisoners there since nineteen sixty three. It is 88 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: not very big. The parts that you can tour, which 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: is basically the whole thing, the gel cells are tiny, 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: so I don't think that you could in a modern 91 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: era put someone inside of those. I also don't think 92 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: that they would be anywhere near maximum security level prison today, right, Like, 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: this is a very old prison that is in no 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: way kept up with the historic standards of security that 95 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: would have existed over the last sixty years. It is 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: also they used to have like all the wardens there. 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: In fact, the woman one of the women who grew 98 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: up there. I mean, they had a school. It's a 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: very fascinating tour. I would encourage anybody who is in 100 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: San Francisco to get on the boat. It's not very far. 101 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous tour on the bay. I took my 102 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: seventeen year old out there when we were in San 103 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: Francisco for a couple of days. But I think it 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: is impossible into a prison. I think you could I 105 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: mean it's like a mile out, so I mean fifteen 106 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: to twenty minutes probably on the boat quick. But and 107 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: you could get there even quicker if you you know, 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: depending on what size boat you had. 109 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: So it is you know that two people actually escaped 110 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: from Alcatraz. Their bodies though were never found. They were 111 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: I think it was three because I was just there. 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Three guys. They have no idea? 113 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: What? 114 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: Sorry? 115 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: Three guys, Yes, three guys. This is when you just 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: have to guide clay to or guide clay. And also 117 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: because as everyone does, you're like, hey, do you think 118 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: they made it and they never found their bodies? Do 119 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: you think they made it, got to the mainland and 120 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: just vanished because. 121 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: They never wanted to be found again? 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Or did they die? 123 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Uh? You can swim it. 124 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: My son did not believe me when I said I 125 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: thought I'm not a very good swimmer. 126 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I was about to ask do you think you could 127 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: swim it? And how much money would someone have to 128 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: pay you? There are very large great white sharks in 129 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay just throwing that well. 130 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: They also do a yearly race. I think escape from Alcatraz. 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: I think Riley Gaines from OutKick and does a lot 132 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: of Fox News. I think she swam it. 133 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Now. 134 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: She was a college swim, so she's pretty good. But 135 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: I think there are hundreds of people that get in 136 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: there and swim. I think I could make it. My 137 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: wife said I would drown, but I think, uh, thanks, 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: thanks Laura. Yeah, I think I could make it. 139 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Now. 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: What I don't know is how the currents work, which 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: would work against me obviously, Like does it continue to 142 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: push you back out and or in what direction? Because 143 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: or backwards? Could you go to Sace Alito in the 144 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: other direction I think, or would you just flounder out 145 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: there for a long time. It probably doesn't surprise anybody that, 146 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: even though I'm not a great swimmer, that I think 147 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: I could make the swim. I think, and this could 148 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: be a really poor a really poor choice. I don't 149 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: think there's actually that many sharks in the bay. I 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: think they have oversold the shark infested nature of the bay. 151 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Now there are tons of seals, and the seals now 152 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: come up on Peer thirty two, which is very cool. 153 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: But I don't think your odds have actually getting eaten 154 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: by a shark would be very high. I think you 155 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: would far more likely to drown if people swim well. 156 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: The odds are the odds are never high clay. But 157 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: when you're sucking in some salt water and splashing through 158 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: some waves and get a little cold and realize you've 159 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: got another like forty minutes of swimming ahead of you, 160 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: and it's you know that, Then all of a sudden 161 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: you start what do those sharks eat? I'm sure they 162 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I think they eat the big fat seals. 163 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: But there are people I didn't realize this. There are 164 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: people every morning that go down and swim lots of 165 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: laps in the San Francisco Bay. I mean they swim 166 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: all over the place in the every day year round 167 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: because they say, you know, it's like a cold plunge, 168 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: it toughens them up. And maybe it does. But I 169 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: think I could make it. I think most people would drown. 170 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm not a great swimmer, but I've never come close 171 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: to drowning. I think it would be like the little 172 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: engine that could. I would just keep going and eventually 173 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: I would make it to land. 174 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I love your confidence. One guy who knows nothing about 175 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: cold swimming and seals is our friend Dave Rutherford, former 176 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: Navy seal who who is on the clay and buck 177 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: podcast network. You should check out the Dave Rutherford show. 178 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: He's uh, he's getting so many people tuning in and 179 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: listening every week. It's growing. But I asked Hi about 180 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: this because that was always the thing that bothered me 181 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: about Now there's a lot of implausible stuff, but I 182 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: don't care. I love The Rock. It's a great movie. 183 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: But if you've seen it's the only movie I've ever 184 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: seen where a seal team comes in like the cavalry 185 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: has arrived and they get completely wiped out. I don't think. 186 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they take out like a single bad 187 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: guy too. I asked rud if he would weigh in 188 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: on the depiction of the seals in uh in The 189 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: Rock the movie, and he gave us a talkback play 190 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: twenty seven. 191 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 4: Okay, clay Buck, allow me to jump in on this 192 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: rock dispute a little bit and listen. I absolutely love 193 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: that movie. I mean Nick Cage and Double O seven, 194 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: I mean the prom queen comment one of the funniest ever. 195 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely loved it. You know, But here's the deal. There 196 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 4: is no way that master Chief Denny Chalker of four 197 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 4: former Plank owner of Sealed Team six or or instructor 198 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: hass both of which who were instructors of mine in 199 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: the nineties when this thing came out. There is no 200 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: way that they would allow that operational fiasco to take place. 201 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: It's just not gonna happen right now. Don't get me wrong. 202 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: I love my Marine Corps brothers. I love that they 203 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: eat crams for a living, but there is just no 204 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 4: way in hell that those cats would have gotten the 205 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: jump on a sealed team platoon of that level in 206 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: that situation. It just ain't gonna happen. 207 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: So it is what it is. 208 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: Who Yah, I'm just saying they're not all you mean, 209 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: they're not all gonna, one by one slowly crawl into 210 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: a like a bathroom with an elevated platform around it 211 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: and meant for people to ambush them. 212 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just you know, let's give the seal some 213 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: credit here. 214 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: It was Ed Harris's finest role. It's one of Sean Connery. 215 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: I know he was James Bond, but Sean Connery is 216 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: incredible in them movie, and obviously Nicholas Cage is pretty extraordinary. 217 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: I mean I watched it. For those of you out there, 218 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: I think it came out in nineteen ninety five, ish, 219 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: I watched it because it was on paper that smart 220 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: move by the San Francisco Hotel, because we came back 221 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: from Alcatraz. Back in the hotel room that night, I'm 222 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: telling my son, hey, there's a great action movie made 223 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: about Alcatraz called The Rock. He has no idea what 224 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Sit down, start scrolling through the available movies. 225 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: That night, at you know, nine o'clock or whatever it was, boom, 226 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: The Rock is available for rent. I might be the 227 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: only person who's paid fifteen dollars to watch The Rock 228 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: in the last decade. But we watched it. He loved it. 229 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: My junior in high school had no idea. He was like, 230 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: this is so good. 231 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: Dad. 232 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I thought you would like it. Yeah, 233 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: they don't make movies like that anymore. It was a great, 234 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: great flick. I really enjoyed it. And if any of 235 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, certainly I couldn't. I didn't realize 236 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: Cary had never seen Commando, so you never know. If 237 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: any of you haven't seen the it's certainly worth and 238 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: it's a great rewatch as well, Like if you've seen 239 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: it one hundred times, it's a lot of fun. But 240 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: let me let me ask, you know, getting back to 241 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: policy in the news here for a second. So what 242 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: happens Trump is the president, he tells Bureau of Prisons 243 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: to reopen this. What happens now, Like, really, what happens now? 244 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: Do they start to try to think about how they 245 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: could do this? 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: First of all, it would take I bet seven or 247 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: eight years to retro fit. So if Trump is not 248 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: going to be president, when it would be done, I 249 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I think it's a National Park 250 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: Service site. Have I presume that the president has executive 251 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: authority to change the way that it's classified. 252 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: But what would happen? I don't know. 253 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: Like if Trump just came out and he was like, Hey, 254 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: you know, we're going to put a prison at Gettysburg Battlefield, 255 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. Does the president have the authority to 256 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: alter a national historic site? I think it would probably, 257 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: like almost everything Trump tries to do, probably go to 258 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: court because I would think the people of San Francisco. 259 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 2: It's one of the most iconic tourist attractions in San Francisco, 260 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: and I think they would probably argue that it has 261 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: more value to them now as a tourist attraction than 262 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: it would as a prison. To say nothing of again, 263 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: there is you basically would have to raise, tear down 264 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: the entire prison structure, and build a brand new prison 265 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: in order to be able to hold anybody. 266 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: And the Bureau of Prisons has already been asked about 267 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: this and their response is we comply with all presidential orders. 268 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: So I mean that is the official Bureau of Prison 269 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: of Bureau of Prisons respond so far as I'm seeing 270 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: here to Trump saying this, which which makes sense, he 271 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: is the president and he has said do this, So 272 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I guess they're going. 273 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: To be really, really funny. I don't know how this 274 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: is going to play out. And I can't imagine it 275 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: being safe to put a prisoner there because you don't 276 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: want them to escape. I can't imagine it being very 277 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: easy to rehab and put a prisoner there. So that 278 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: is interesting in and of itself. Sunday hang with Clay 279 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: and Buck. Riley gains. Ali has confirmed that she made 280 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: the swim, and I asked, Ali, do you want to 281 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: just come in? Is this you who's been texting with 282 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: Riley to see whether or not she thought I would die? 283 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: Yes, I was messaging her while you guys were talking 284 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: about it, and what did. 285 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: She say here she did swim it. I was correct, 286 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: and I remember seeing that she had posted about swimming it. 287 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: She swam it, ironically, Buck with Navy seals. 288 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't an organized race, but she's swam it 289 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: and she's planning on doing it again this July. As 290 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 5: to whether you could make it, she said diplomatically, anything 291 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 5: less than a proficient swimmer probably wouldn't make it. Incredibly cold, 292 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 5: very wavy, big currents. 293 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: Clay, I smell a challenge, buddy, I smell a challenge. 294 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: I think we got to do the Clay Travis Annual 295 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Cold Plunge. Here we raise money for charity. You know, 296 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: maybe we get like krock of coffee to sponsor it. 297 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: I like where we're going with. Also, I will wait 298 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: for you on shore with a hot cup of tea. 299 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 5: Right. Also added that she's not scared of sharks, and 300 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: she had a pod of dolphins swimming beside her, which 301 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 5: was an indicator the sharks would stay away. 302 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: I feel, well, why is that? But the dolphins will 303 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: chase away the sharks. Yeah, dolphins will. Dolphins will mess 304 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: up sharks generally speaking, especially even in a great white. 305 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: The way I see this going, Buck, is either I'll 306 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: be eaten by a shark, or I'll drown, or I'll 307 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: have to get rescued by one of the nave maybe seals, 308 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: which would immediately go megaviral me getting dragged out of 309 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: the water near death. But I probably hypothermia too. I 310 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: do feel like I could do it. I'm not a 311 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: very good swimmer. I don't. 312 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, would you would? You'd be a breaststroke guy, right, 313 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's what. 314 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: You go with, Like, Well, certainly I think that. 315 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: I walked into that one. 316 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I I don't think. I don't 317 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: even know what a proficient swimmer would be, Like, what 318 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: does that mean? Because she's a college swimmer, Like, proficient 319 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: swimmer meaning you can swim. 320 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: Probably a better swimmer than she guesses you are. She 321 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: was trying to be nice. 322 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm I think I would make it 323 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: because I think I have the indomitable will of a 324 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: swim champion, but I do not have the skills of 325 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: an elite swim champion. But I think I would just 326 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: refuse to stop. I think I would just keep going 327 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: and eventually I would find the land. Now, my one 328 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: concern here, in addition to the sharks and the drowning 329 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: is the current? Are are you getting constantly pushed back 330 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: and order and just kind of floundering and not making 331 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: any progress? That would be my concern is like that, 332 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: it's really hard to cut through the current. Well, I 333 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: was gonna say, I just you know, Clay, you I'll 334 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: make sure that when we do this annual Clay Alcatraz swim, 335 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: I'll be back at the San Francisco Hotel on the 336 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: hot tub, you know, and I'll be checking my phone 337 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: for updates on You'll be like Sean Connery if you remember, 338 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: went to the I think the Fountain Blue whatever, the 339 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: fanciest hotel was in San Francisco. That's where he made 340 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: him take him when they bailed him out of jail. 341 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Sunday Hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements. 342 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: For guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your day 343 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: at Chalk dot Com. Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck. 344 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: I'm just laughing people, Jesse Kelly. In addition to Riley 345 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: who now says that I have to come to San 346 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: Francisco and attempt to swim, she says, they go out 347 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: with a boat, they drop us off. 348 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: Kayaks are there. 349 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: I asked if there was somebody who could rescue me 350 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: if I started to drown, and Jesse Kelly has waged 351 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: in and said, uh, what did he say? Don't listen 352 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: to the haters, Clay, you can do this and you 353 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: should absolutely try, which is a very good thought. 354 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: You know. 355 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: One thing I'm thinking, Buck, Can you imagine if I 356 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: put a live webcam on like my head, like my forehead, 357 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: and you had a live vision of me attempting, you 358 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: probably hear it too. 359 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: And we could be honest something. Just think of all 360 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: the money we could raise for punnelty towers, or we 361 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of money for a really good cause. 362 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, I will say, if I made the swim, 363 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: I think Trump might have to revoke his idea of 364 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: turning Alcatraz into a prison, because it's supposed to be unescapable, right. 365 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: If a fat, out of shape person like me can 366 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: swim from Alcatraz to San Francisco Bay, then I think 367 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: the three guys that vanished they made the swim, and 368 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: I think he would have to rescind his decision to 369 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: try to turn it into a prison. In addition to 370 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: the fact that we potentially could raise a lot of 371 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: money for charity. I also think that I could prove 372 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: that it is not an inescapable prison if I made 373 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: it now, if I drowned, then maybe Trump would be like, hey, 374 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 2: we're you know, We're going to reopen Alcatraz and one 375 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: of the jail cells will name after Clay. This will 376 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 2: be the Travis Wing of Alcatraz Island in honor of 377 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: his untimely death. I will say, groc A bunch of 378 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: you have been sharing this. It is a myth, and 379 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: this is inevitably going to blow up in my faith 380 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get eaten by a shark if I 381 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: try to do this. But and then this will go 382 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: megaviral and this will be the only thing people remember 383 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: from my entire life. It is a myth so far 384 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: that lots of people are getting eaten by sharks in 385 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay. In fact, it's never happened now. Also, 386 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people, to be fair, who 387 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: are in the water on a regular basis. I would 388 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: imagine in the San Francisco Bay area because the water 389 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: is cold and the beaches are not particularly fabulous. But 390 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: it has never occurred in San Francisco Bay that someone 391 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: has been eaten by a shark. Kara from Kentucky has 392 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: a talkback. Kara BB, what have we got here, Clay. 393 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: I think you're great, but I think you're way over 394 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 6: confident when it comes to your swimming ability. Swimming is 395 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 6: a tough sport. My son's high school team has won 396 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 6: the state championship here in Kentucky for the past thirty 397 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 6: plus years. I'd like to invite you to come to 398 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 6: one of his practices. If you could make it through that, 399 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 6: you'll have my vote for Alcatraz. 400 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: I think I could make it through. 401 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: The problem is I would be like me going to 402 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: a elite high school team's practice. I mean, I would 403 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: have to be there for like eight hours because they're 404 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: going to do twenty laps or whatever, and it's going 405 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: to take them like three and a half minutes, and 406 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: then it takes me an hour. So I just I 407 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: don't think. I do not think I would drown. I 408 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: think I could always stay above the water, and I 409 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: think if I could stay above the water long enough, 410 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: eventually I would get to shore. Now, the one part 411 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 2: of the calculate here that I'm not confident about is 412 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: what are the currents like? In other words, like, would 413 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: it sweep me further out? But the bay is not 414 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: that big, so I would think it would sweep me 415 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: from one side to the other. In other words, surely 416 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: I would hit land at some point, or one of 417 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: the buoys underneath the Golden Gate Bridge, which is way 418 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: far away, or the Bay Bridge, which is also far away, 419 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: because I don't want to go out to open water. 420 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: But you're in the bay, So I just think at 421 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 2: some point if you just stayed upright, eventually you would 422 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: maybe die of hypothermia. But if you didn't die of hypothermia, 423 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: I think you would end up on land. I mean, 424 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: bottles that get thrown into the ocean eventually end up 425 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: on land. You just got to not drown in the meantime. 426 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: And I don't think I would drown. I think I 427 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: could stay above the water. How much confidence do you 428 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: have that I could make it? How much would you have? 429 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: You just said, we have to raise the amount of 430 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: money we're willing to pay the guys to fly, like 431 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: a thousand dollars we our friend Gurdusky said they're offering 432 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: thirty five thousand dollars in Sweden. How much odd what 433 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: odds would you have to get for me to be 434 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: able to make it not to be rescued ten to one. 435 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: This is it's a mile. Is that right? It's a 436 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: mile swim total? I think, so, yeah, that's not that's 437 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: not that bad. I mean, the Statue of Liberty is 438 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: two miles from Manhattan, so that's that's considerably more. 439 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: I mean, do people swim back and forth in the 440 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: Statue of Liberty? Is that what will Caine and Hegseth did? 441 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: Was that the Navy seal swim they did? 442 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, no, you look, you you'd make it. The 443 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: only thing I might get you would be the I think, 444 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: either the currents or the cold. The shark thing is 445 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: just it's just a thing in your head to scare you. 446 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, which obviously. 447 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: Which would by the way, work because when you're like 448 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: halfway back and you're a long way from the shore, 449 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: you're definitely gonna be expecting to get eaten by a shark. 450 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: The funny thing about about all I've spent like way 451 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: too much time. I think a lot of us have 452 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: different fascinations with with scary scary things. We're kids or whatever, 453 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: and sharks is something I've read a lot of shark 454 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: attacks something I've read a lot about when I was 455 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: a kid. You know what's interesting is that your right, Statistically, 456 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: you're you're very, very safe from shark attack. However, sharks 457 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: are far more present around people than they ever realize, 458 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: and now because of drone technology, people are starting to 459 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: see that. Oh yeah, that's right. There's a lot of 460 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: times where there's a you know, one hundred people be 461 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: at a beach, they're all in the ocean, splash around, 462 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: having a great time, and just beyond the surf break 463 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: about you know, thirty forty yards, it'll be some big 464 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: tiger sharks or something swimming around out there. So sharks 465 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: are much more present in the environment than a lot 466 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: than we realize because you generally don't see them, right, 467 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: You generally have no idea. So that's kind of a 468 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: funny thing, Right, on the one hand, we were more 469 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: scared of them than we should be, But the other hand, 470 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: they're far more present than we recognize them to be. 471 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: Have I told you my shark story? 472 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: Have I told this this audience of the shark story? 473 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: This is I don't know. We got to talk about 474 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: the economy, Clay, okay. 475 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: Economy, Jeffy far When I and Trump's got it. I 476 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: was seventh grade, Panama City Beach Church mission trip, Panama 477 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: City Beach, nineteen ninety. Not a very nice place. This 478 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: is like a bunker that we're staying in for the 479 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: church retreat. We have a jet ski rented. It's like 480 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: a nineteen year old kid with a jet ski who 481 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: was like one of the chaperones. He's taking us out 482 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: one at a time on the jet ski and we 483 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: get out on the jet ski and jet ski's back 484 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: in like nineteen ninety used to tip over all the time, 485 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: and it was really hard back in the day to 486 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: get back on a jet ski. Now it's actually comparatively easy. 487 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: They maintain and hold itself. Well two of us, it 488 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: was very difficult. So he's back on and suddenly this 489 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: light guard comes roaring up on his own jet ski 490 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: and he says, everybody off the beach. We've spotted tiger 491 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: sharks in the area. One hundred per century. Seventh grade 492 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: weighs out on the ocean jet ski, Panama City Beach, 493 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: and the guy who is the nineteen year old is like, hey, 494 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: we can't get back up because we keep tipping over. 495 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: So he's on. 496 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: He says, I'll just drag you in, says, I will 497 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: drag you back into the shallows. We got to make 498 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 2: sure you don't get eaten by a tiger Sharky, this 499 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: is maybe the greatest bait that's ever existed for tiger shark. 500 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm hanging on to the back of the jet ski. 501 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: The exhaust is just pouring, you know, right in my face. 502 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: I'm twelve, and as it's pouring off buck my swimsuit 503 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: comes off. So the whole beach covered with like twelve 504 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: and thirteen year old girls and I am hitting the waves, 505 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: mooning the entirety of Panama City Beach, Florida. This would 506 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: have gone certainly megaviral in the day when everybody has 507 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: their well I guess maybe not because I was like. 508 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: A shark like shark repellant. This is good. The shark's 509 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: not going to mess with you. 510 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking to myself, all these cute girls are 511 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: on the beach, and now I'm naked, and I'm also 512 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: going to get eaten by a shark. This is maybe 513 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: the worst way for a twelve or thirteen year old 514 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: boy to go out ever in the history of mankind. 515 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: I get and by the way, by the grace of God, 516 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: I managed to hook my bathing suit on my right ankle, 517 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: so the webbing of the bathing suit, so I managed 518 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: to hang on to that for dear life. On the 519 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: right ankle, I get dropped off, and uh and I'm like, 520 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: you know, naked in the water trying to get my 521 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: swimsuit on, and everybody's panicked on the beach because there's 522 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 2: tiger sharks. Everybody is fleeing the beach and somehow I 523 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: have managed to create this huge scene. 524 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: People are expecting me to get it eaten. 525 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: So I've been, you know, kind of in fear of 526 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: sharks even more so ever since that day. 527 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, after having overcome that that story, 528 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: I think that you definitely have to do the Alcatraz 529 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: swim just for your your own dignity, you know. I 530 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: feel like, well, a. 531 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: Wet suit's harder to get ripped off, I would think. 532 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: So if I'm in a wet suit, I think I 533 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: would be okay. But that's a true story. 534 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: If you're listening right now, and you were on Panama 535 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: City Beach in June of nineteen ninety or so, and 536 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: you saw a kid mooning the whole beach, that was me. 537 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: Now you're listening to me on the radio. So I survived. 538 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: That is probably a story that you didn't expect to 539 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: hear today. Buck when you started off, when. 540 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: You started off the day, it's a I did not, 541 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: and here we are.