1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't want to ask your question. 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: Let's just keep it real straight shot with no Chase, 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: Wait. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: I'm here for those who really believe in the American process, 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: all of us Street Shot no Chase with your girl 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Chessel figure out on the Black Effect podcasting that well, 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: thank you everybody for being here. We want to get 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: this conversation with Killer Mike started. I know d O 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: C will be leading you know, the discussion podcasts, brothers 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: will hear the barbershop. 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 4: Thank you everybody. 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Dallas will come and stand up for Dallas. Give yourself around, BEFO. 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: Sup will be in the building, a place I still 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: call home. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little high holy right now, so appreciate it. 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: Before so before I give it to you, guys, I 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: did just want to ask this question Mike, just so 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: we kind of set the tone when we talked about, 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: you know, what could we do for those. 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: That don't know. 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: Killer Mike and I work together on a Bernie Sanders campaign, 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: you know, all over the country. And this was in 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, before people knew who Bernie Sanders was. People 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: would say I would have to say, you know, the 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: one with the gray hair, and this is that, you know, 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: literally when nobody knew him, a very small African American 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: outreach team on the national level, Killer Mike was one 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 2: of the surrogates there. We had a chance to meet 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: and work with each other and really push the line 31 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: what I call to really get people not to get 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: necessarily behind Bernie Sanders, but to get behind policy that we. 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 4: Felt, you know, was important service for real. 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: Now y'all want to see somebody check the secret service, 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: Killer Mike. 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: That's what I said. That is my brother from another mother. 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: So college, yeah, college camp. They just forget what they were. 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I fell in love with him and 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: his beautiful wife, Cliche in the building, who I absolutely loved. 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: The couple's goals do everything together. 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: But I did want to When I said, Mike, what 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: can we do or what can I do to really 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: elevate this album and the message of the album, he says, 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: since let's just do like we do on a campaign trail, 45 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Let's go to barbershops and have conversations with Mike. It 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: wasn't about, you know, a big crowd or a certain amount. 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: It was just really important that it was a barbershop. 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: The first question, and then everybody else, can you know, 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: chime in from here? 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 4: Why the barbershop? 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: To me, that's the safest place for black men to talk, 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: We we actually I've had organizations come here because I 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 3: always my wife and I always franchise barbershops called the 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: slash shop. 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 5: We all, we all. 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: And what I found is that if you want to 58 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: win a mayor oil exaction year. 59 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: You're gonna take you but to the barber shops and 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: do the shop and strip clubs too. To be honest, 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: if you want black men to know about health, whether 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: it's cardiovascular, whether it's mental health, the easiest way to 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: do it because. 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: The safest place is a barbershop. 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: You know, brothers won't talk to their wives, won't talk 66 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: to each other, that work, theyn't getting a barbershop. They 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: discussed everything I learn there in ny Ussey from mental 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: illness of prostate council day. You know, they came through 69 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: my shops talking about it. So for whatever reason, they 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: feels safe. And since I was a little boy, I've 71 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: learned things. I've never went to the barber shop, and 72 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: I learned something, you know what I'm saying. Even if 73 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: whether it's just getting the good weed that they can't 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: do that at my barbershop. So I just said that, 75 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: you know, whether it was a campaign trailer, even in 76 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: discussion with my record, I just wanted to go with 77 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: black men that felt safe to be black mens. What 78 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: better place and then just work the class mean people. 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: A lot of times when we say black men, we 80 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: don't realize were talking about truly just a worker class. 81 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: You know. You know I saw and Charleston I was 82 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: did Charleston, South Carolina. 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: Brother came up to the white boy with the braves 84 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: Calbol so I knew I liked them already. 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: We chilling the same baseball team and he said, man, 86 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm just full like wasn't Apple? 87 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: And I identify with every single thing on the ALP, 88 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: you know, from shed Tears to Slummer to Motherless, get all. 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: In them and that's our ultimately all I want to 90 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: ever do. 91 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: That's right, that's important. Uh from my perspective, uhh. To 92 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 5: the racism really almost as nothing to do with coming 93 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: and everything. 94 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, this country definitely a classes. 95 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: It's just easy to identify because it's you know, we 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: were a cornerstone and making this country because we were prelated, 97 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: but they used, they used, they used half used, and 98 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: we'll use poor white Yeah they have, and we'll use 99 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 3: poor Latinos. 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, this country, this country thrives off that, you 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: know in some in some way. 102 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: Once we get our all ship together, we'll figure out 103 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: solidarity on a broader basis. 104 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Why Fred Hafton was trying. 105 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 5: To right, that's right by the way. I want to 106 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 5: my boy Jeff and Stute allowing us to come int 107 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: the more music there because it's we talk all the 108 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 5: time in them. 109 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, so that when someone test called me this perfect 110 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 6: spot didn't get these conversations started. 111 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 5: Uh, and we thanked them, grateful that you showed up. 112 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 6: We we've been spending your records since you know, and 113 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 6: it has that classic where there's a there is there's 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 6: the Atlanta that see how I lived in Atlanta ninety 115 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 6: five through ninety nine. 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: Soone freaking it was spreading. 117 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: You was right with us. But there was a sound. 118 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: And the closest thing I could describe, Uh, it's just 119 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 5: Dungeon family. There's a sound that came. 120 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 6: From those men that is embodied in some of this 121 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 6: work that you have to me back to when Bath 122 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 6: was great. 123 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 7: I mean. 124 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, No matter what the. 125 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 6: Subject was, the soul came from the souls. You know. 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: They were a mentor rego with Ray and sleeping with me. 127 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: A story about Courtais Mayfield. Like I tell people that, 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: I said, you could take the same sample the four 129 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: different Southern cities and get a different sound. 130 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: And that's what's beautiful about the South. 131 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: When they used to just pass ou as the region 132 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: to the people in New York and now they they 133 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: didn't make no distinsions between Dallas. 134 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: And Houston or Atlanta the worst land. 135 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: But we know if you take the Courtis Mayfield sample, 136 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: but Atlanta taking Dallas, taking to Houston taking the mefis 137 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: take it. Bam, You're gonna get different sounds and you 138 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: feel the same sumple. So I really was Ray Murray 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: when we first started recording record, Michael, he came in 140 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: and told me acause like here at the and my 141 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: an r is just one of my best friends, like 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: a brother to me. He said, all right, essentially, y'all 143 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: got do two things. He said, this gotta be distinctly something. 144 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: It cannot be a hype. Asked to this Southern record, 145 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: and he said, and then they gotta be his cohesive 146 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: at the chronic and he walked out and so and 147 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 3: we sat. 148 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: There like what the. 149 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Like this niggas told we have to match the Southerners 150 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: of Outcast Goodie moll balling and k and then yup, 151 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: you gotta be you gotta be this cohesive a the 152 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: chrodate and I hope that I hope that we've achieved 153 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: a golden Yeah, yes, sir, And. 154 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 6: If you had, you had the perfect team to do that, 155 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 6: because they're perfectly suited like it. It's uh back back 156 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 6: in that gap and in that time period. From my perspective, 157 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 6: that's what the sound was because I you know, I 158 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 6: did my point in the sound, so I knew I 159 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: related to it because I touched it because it was 160 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: nigga and it was all sudden, you know. And uh, 161 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 6: you know, I'm really close to to uh Atlanta. I 162 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 6: love and learn us so much because I spent some 163 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 6: very formative years. 164 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 7: Yeah. 165 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: When you mean when y'all was there, I'm here thinking 166 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: about mc greed was there too? 167 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 6: Was there? 168 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Power had opened? Who tanks story? You guys. 169 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: The beautiful part about Atlanta is it's one of the 170 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: cities where you ain't got to be from there. To 171 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: be from there, and I just got to come and contribute. Ye, 172 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: and it accepts, you know, it's excepting all My grandmother 173 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: came in nineteen fifteen, my grandfather that got there in 174 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: nineteen forty. They neighborhoods got built in forty six, to 175 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: call your heights. I grew up all black neighborhood, all 176 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: black uncleave. You know, different people made different amounts of money, 177 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: So you just got to run around. All My heroes 178 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: and dealers look like. 179 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: Me in mind. 180 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: People that what I love about Atlanta's black folks from 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: all over the world come there and contribute to the culture. 182 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: It really is a black culture in which is multi layered, 183 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's diverse, and I'm just 184 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 3: I'm proud to be a product of the city and 185 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: proud to be a product of the era of music 186 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: where you know, again, like you know, people taking a 187 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: joke and say, oh, man, you're a legend. You know 188 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 3: all that, you know the mess that gives you to 189 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: try to dismiss you because you had such a profound 190 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: impact on my life in terms of mark I literally 191 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: told my partner will and have my mouth. I said, man, 192 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: I said, you know, I said the next album. I said, Man, 193 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: you know my goal? He said what I said, Man, 194 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: I ain't gonna cuss. Gotta do it like doc with 195 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: no curve bord. 196 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: It's hard. I like me to such a profound influence 197 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: that that. 198 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: I'm just like I remember finding out you some doubt 199 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: and it just because again at the time, we was 200 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 3: just a regional in New York LA. Finding out that 201 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: one of the biggest you know, because the end up 202 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: you ain't Q meant everything. Finding out on you. You 203 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: wanted the contributor to thread, the writer, the help shape up. Man, 204 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: you don't know what it did for us. It gave 205 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: us a sense of pride, sensor I can DoSM. That's 206 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: why I'm pried to be with you today. 207 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: Give it up, Give it up, legend. 208 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't you know you? To me, you are You're 209 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: just You're a bar that's to be met, and I 210 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: appreciate trying to meeting. 211 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 6: I give off, you know, but I understand now, I 212 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 6: got this documentary and I'm trying to get out in 213 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 6: the streets and in this documentary, which was a cathartic 214 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 6: experience for me. But I understand now is none of 215 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 6: it was me in the person place, and then all 216 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 6: these things started with a prayer and that I'm still 217 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 6: living in that prayer, and now is the time that 218 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 6: the manifestations in that prayer. 219 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: Like guard give of our own relition, and I'm gonna. 220 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 5: Get ready to like, yo, do you know what he 221 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: did when he made me? You know, he said, I'm 222 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 5: gonna make me a cold, little arrogant one. Can't talk 223 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: that talk because when I need him to talk for me, 224 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 5: I'm gonna need him to be that. And so I'm 225 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: trying to. 226 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 6: Find my way back to that after that, after that accident, 227 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 6: she knows has a ball so to take a lot 228 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 6: of you know, But like I said, and I'm had 229 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 6: this conversation many times. 230 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 5: We just found him seeing y'all the order. 231 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 6: And this goes back three or four or five years 232 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 6: ago when I had my first son and trying to 233 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 6: get my particulars in order. 234 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 5: Seeing you man or on. 235 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 6: The web really put you on and so into into 236 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 6: going back to these communities. They're making a real difference. 237 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 6: I'm talking about not just to that service. I'm talking 238 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 6: about beyond the politicals of conversation. 239 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 5: I'm talking I just go do it. 240 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 3: Got my brother from down here when I got to 241 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: address a brother man because it's Januar, I'm enter tame. 242 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: But I understand my man asked Charles the white ut 243 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 3: god god. He said, full of hot, full of yeah, yeah, yeah, 244 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: and absolutely I have human bodies, not eight degrees on, full. 245 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 7: Of how they are. 246 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: Once was a time where I was an actual. 247 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: Organizer on the ground who she was to and I 248 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: got lucky enough to get the lottery and get to 249 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: live the life I want to. And now I'm a 250 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 3: mobilizer like a Doctor king and it's last year's was 251 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: a mobilizer. 252 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: SCLC did a. 253 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: Great job organizing the first and by the time Snick 254 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: came along them young kids is really organized. 255 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 256 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: When Doctor Kingdom would do what come and they helped 257 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 3: mobilize and get those trials together. So I absolutely understand 258 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: you know his notion for saying that, But I just 259 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: like to let the brother know that I absolutely do 260 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: work on the ground. But I'm hyper vocal, so you 261 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 3: may never see me giving no money to whatever organizations 262 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: you may know identify. But I just want to let 263 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: the brother know if he checks with the Georgia Used 264 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: Bill program, which take the children from fourteen to twenty 265 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: four gives them a trade, gets some high school diplomas 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 3: and gets them on the path out of bullshit and 267 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: then to work for us to build families so our 268 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 3: daughters that have men to marry, our daughters to know 269 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: how to do things on they all around the trades 270 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: absolutely support that with money and with time. And also 271 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: Next Level Boys Academy which steers boys away from exorbit 272 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: sentences and boys that petty beefs getting them together that. 273 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: So there are two organizations in particularly, I'm really very 274 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: strong is another. You know, I was started by Homie 275 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 3: that was a sixty, but he started the program that 276 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: makes sure kids and teachers have what they need. So 277 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: I just wanted him to know that he's an organization. 278 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: So I'm still full of hot there, I absolutely am. 279 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: But those three organizations are ones that I support, and 280 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: I love you to support it and support his organization. 281 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: hYP you know, I don't know what they're doing locally, 282 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: but I hope they're doing something because I heard an 283 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: interview by him and it was compelling because I understood 284 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: we a lot of life. 285 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Really we just. 286 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 3: Heartbroken organized because when you're organizing and you expect the 287 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: legions to be behind you, I remember I'm saying he 288 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: was fighting against the police brutality, and my heart went 289 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: out in his inter before he said he looked. 290 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Around, he was byself. 291 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: You know, you thought that people are gonna be with him, 292 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 3: and oftentimes our people so beat down and they never 293 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: seen organizer. 294 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Know So I just want to know. 295 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: I understand everything you do, and I understand why you 296 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: talk shit while you're ridly cue because that's what our 297 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: people vibrate at little level. But I understand you're leading 298 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: people into a better pathway. So if I need to 299 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: be the butt of a joke or the muse or 300 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: some agitation, I don't mind being that because I understand 301 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: what it is to be as traded organizer, and I 302 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: wish him followed success. 303 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: I heard that. 304 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 5: To meet. 305 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he funny his hell and it's nigga fosson. Now 306 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I don't know who's gonna fight. I saig runnup over. 307 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: He's gonna be flushing. But I respect anyone passion enough 308 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: about the community. This challenge people who are considered giants, 309 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: and I accept my challenge. But I'm working hype of 310 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: open Nigga ain't gona never get no money out of 311 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: me in no city because I'm not in your city. 312 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: But if you come to. 313 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: Atlanta, ride around whoever you ride around with, besides who 314 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: you ride around. 315 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: With, and you ask about me, you can see I 316 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: actually do work on the ground. 317 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: I'd be in the schools in the daytime with Greg Street, 318 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: and then I be helping the mamas in the strip. 319 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: Club at night. 320 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 4: That's right. 321 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to do what I've been doing. 322 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: But I want to tell people who get criticized, don't 323 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: be so quick to holler back. Just keep doing the work. 324 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: You know. 325 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: I saw Tession do the work on the ground for 326 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: years and years and years, and people not pay her 327 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: the attention she deserved. So I started yelling anybody who 328 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: was listening, whether it was Charllenage and daughter or whether 329 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: it was politicians, because I was determined revolt to somebody's 330 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: gonna hear. 331 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: You, because she's doing new work. 332 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: To look at people like attorney being from all that 333 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: nigga making money. He's a lawyer that I went to 334 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: law school to make money. 335 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: Actual didn't right, But he's. 336 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: The one that got their sister who steals were stolen. 337 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: He's got scrammed that money back. 338 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: So you need everybody. My grandparents. You don't talk. 339 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: My grandfather's fascian like you the pearlair. My grandmother's a 340 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: very dark one. Why not be just brown woman? He 341 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: loved him death. But my grandfather helped me understand. You know, 342 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: when Harriet came, you know, youven niggas in the house 343 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: and let folks tho folks is come into you know. 344 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: I met people that were revolutionaries in a state uniform 345 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: fout police officers and they let a little boy go. 346 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: You know, I've seen people who I thought they'd give 347 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: a damn about black folks because they were conservative whatever 348 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: we but every Sunday they was the ones leading leading 349 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: feet in the homeless at the church. 350 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 7: You know. 351 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: So I just understand that that you know, there's gonna 352 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: be many pastor freedom. I gotta be on the same bus. 353 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: But I'm gonna see you when I. 354 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: Get That's exactly right. 355 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 5: Poor most us off or in the stace. 356 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 6: If we could judge anybody know, so many paths that 357 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 6: God created for people to walk down. 358 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: And that's his and this is yours and this is 359 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 5: my you know, and I. 360 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Respect your brother. Anybody doing the work, I respect you 361 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: if you if you just do the work you just now. 362 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 6: I don't want to go to none of the fans 363 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 6: because I don't know what's gonna happen. 364 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: A yeah, but I respect what he doing. 365 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 5: It's past and how he's trying to get up to 366 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: these days. 367 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Nothing else. He's created discussion and all of us. That's 368 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: all of this. But if you know you're not gonna 369 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: agree with that, but just discussion is crazy. 370 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: After after you get angry and your fellows get roughle, 371 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: what are you gonna do. That's that's why I think, 372 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: like you know, people talk. One of my best rids, 373 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: like a brother than me, is t We opened the 374 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: restaurant together now called Banking Sef. My wife and Crystal 375 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 3: led led the way on. You know, make sure to 376 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: get open. I think it about sixty ninety days away 377 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: from opening. That's gonna bring at least forty to fifty 378 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: jobs to that community. It's gonna make sure the community 379 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: if we grew up here and sold dunk rights on 380 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: that street, that community now is the family gonna be 381 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: as a coming. It used to be a takeout, Go 382 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: get your big box of chicken. They ain't gonna be 383 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: able to sit with your family, sit on the rooftop. 384 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: You ain't got to go forty minutes to Buckhead. You 385 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 3: don't have to go twenty minutes down to the South. 386 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: I ain't gonna right down in your own community. So 387 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: right down the street, right in front of the k 388 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: out everybody, you still dope at. Tim built one hundred 389 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 3: and forty three affordable. 390 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: House, Yes he did. 391 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: And my thing is, Jill. If you don't talk about 392 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 3: the day, it's like when I tell you about a woman. Now, 393 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: if you're gonna talk about the two times I fucked 394 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: up in there, come home, you got to talk about 395 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: the other three hundred and. 396 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: Sixty three days I. 397 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 4: Live right, three days, two days I fucked up, that's right. 398 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: But the another three hundred and sixty three to my wife, 399 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: they laughed, and we had to save my home on 400 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: dice and the sun and beat me up, you know, 401 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: but we have to. We have to give each other grace. 402 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: That's also you know I give and our actual grace. 403 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: If my grandfather told me, you know, don't embarrass yourself, 404 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 3: take care of you and your sisters. Don't embarrass me 405 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: and your mama's name, and don't ebrriage black folks. And 406 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: if you fuck up, apologize. 407 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: And I have one room with my crew. 408 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: I said, we fucked up, we apologize and then and 409 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: you get forgiven. And we never talked about it that. 410 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: It's that something because if you keep talking about just 411 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: reopening wanting the black folks, sometimes we get to reopening, apologize, 412 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 3: how can we make it right? 413 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: And then we make it right and we just keep going. 414 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, all day. I wanted to ask you a question. Man, 415 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 7: I've been listening to your music for a long time. Yes, 416 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 7: you know, and this this album for me, listening to 417 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 7: the album definitely shows the change in you. You know, 418 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 7: So when you when you sat down and thought about that, 419 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 7: what were you What was your thought process? 420 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: I think I've always done it. 421 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: I don't think it's bessarire a change, but you started 422 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: fully met fully accepting. 423 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Me in that maturation. You know. He was my first album, 424 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: manster You know is the record Mama how on on 425 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the sell Crack No More? 426 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: I was a drug deal a lot I wanted to 427 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: I was like, these niggas don't kill me, like Nigga 428 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 3: Gotta dropped out of more House. And I thought at 429 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: first of all I got into more House, they didn't 430 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: think that ship out I'd have dropped out pursue music, 431 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: ended up pursuing fourteen pounds a week. When I got 432 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: my man big bus saving, I said, hey, nigga, he 433 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: was gonna be a drug. 434 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Dealer on a rap. What the fuck is you gonna want? 435 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: So I've been on my path, but what I had 436 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: to understand is that until you fully except you, the 437 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: world ain't gonna help you. And I I stopped chasing. 438 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 3: I stopped chasing whatever sound was popular. I stopped chasing 439 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: what I think people would want. I got with a 440 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: team of people that really believe in who I was, 441 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 3: and over the last decade, I've been a runner Jewel 442 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: best rapp group for the world going to day of 443 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: my figure. So my focus was I learned to discipline myself, 444 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: focus on making run the Jewels for this should be. 445 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: And what Tobe did was give me an opportunity to 446 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: toorrow that. 447 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 3: Like the girl I convinced to drop out of nursing 448 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: school at the nurse my ass at fourteen days, I 449 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: was like, I'm feeling, oh, like damn, this is it. 450 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: And not only is this it, I got these solo 451 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: demos and shit out and did and I've never introduced 452 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: the world to me and know me in proxy to 453 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: outcasts ignor me in proxy and my boy T how 454 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 3: they know me in proxy to my. 455 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Rap partner LP and run the Jews that they never 456 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: met Michael. 457 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: And when I came out of that man, I was 458 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: just like, Yeah, I really gonna introduce people to who 459 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 3: I am so they can get an explanation, understand why 460 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: I am because I feel like I feel like black 461 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: people would get it. I and I didn't understand, but 462 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: I did start to understanding. Working class people period are 463 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: gonna get it. And I just wanted to make sure 464 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 3: before I got out of here that people knew who 465 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: I was. 466 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 467 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: So I have a question asked you about the Michael albums. 468 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: It's a self titled yeah, and it's your life yeah, 469 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 3: track to track you marriage or so. 470 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Question is being that transparent? Yeah? I just I 471 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: feel there's not a question, it's a statement. 472 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: I really feel like you set the ball high for 473 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: a lot of rappers nowadays, faith feel like they have to, 474 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: you know, put on airs or. 475 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Live up to an image. 476 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: So with the Michael album you gave us transparency from 477 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: beginning from. 478 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: Track one to the ending. Yeah. 479 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: So how does how do you feel with this body 480 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: of your work after you put it out to the masses, 481 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 3: Because twenty eight years ago your your your co part 482 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: Andre three thousand said, the South got something to say. 483 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah you still think the voice is still loud in 484 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: the same Yeah, we because we saw we sold out first. 485 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: You don't ship. They don't just ride horses in Houston. 486 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm here two miles horse far myself all black horse farm. 487 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: The kids, you know, like we we have. But they 488 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: think we about Cady calls. 489 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: They think then we are They think we just about 490 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 3: strip pluzz and we all but man, we helped shape 491 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: the craft of West Coast music. We we we we 492 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: still ride around all horses still were still on the farm. 493 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: My great brand fans about nineteen fort eight. So what 494 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: I wanted to show people is that that there is 495 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: there's layers that you kill off of black Basket living 496 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: in black Mail hood. You know, we all not defined 497 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: by Yankees, Captain Timberland Boots. We all not defined by 498 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 3: La cap and Dickie suit. We want Dickie suits in 499 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 3: the South. But it was because we was gay back. 500 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: It was because our granddaddy worked at the fucking mechanic shop. 501 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: So you got them by my granddaddy. The blue Diggie suit. Shit, 502 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give me a blue Dickie suit. You have 503 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: on some joints, you know what I mean. So you know, 504 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: I remember one of the most valuable thing you've wearing 505 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: my high school was the green Dishey suit. Cause that 506 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: was so that you couldn't get them anywhere else, you 507 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you'll see a sixty year 508 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: old kid or a twenty five dollar dig suit outfigure 509 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: you got one hundred and fifty dollars bucks on which 510 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: of Clark Waller beef. And that's how he let you 511 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: know I got some money. 512 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Just you know what I'm saying, Just like old be 513 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: and yold me. 514 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: You grand daddy might your granddaddy might have on a 515 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: flannel shirt, but that watch ain't inexpensive. 516 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: So I learned just the subities of who we are valuable. 517 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: So for me, the South is always gonna have something 518 00:22:59,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: to say. 519 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: Fifty folks center African Americans living in the South. Like 520 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: the book The Devil you Know by Charles Bloke, implores 521 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 3: us to go back to the South. You know, if 522 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: places like Dallas we have not only an economic advantage. 523 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: We have a political advantage in our numbers. 524 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: Used Dallas used Houston, use Orlando used Tampa, used chawfter 525 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: Atlanta burming hair. Use these places as fortresses. Like I 526 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 3: said through the speech, half people like half people don't. 527 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 3: When I was telling that speech that when I did 528 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: the speech in Atlanta in twenty, I was drinking Moett, 529 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: smoking weed with Noriega in front of the bank Head 530 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: Zeprad truck, and my buddy Tell said, well, a male 531 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 3: called me and said she wants to come up here 532 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: because it looks like the riots might pivot left. 533 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Now, if they pivot left, they pivot directly into our neighbors. 534 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: You're not gonna let them pivot, right, because that's why 535 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 3: they're sure the buildings at the court prices all right. 536 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: But if they pivot left, they burned down the neighborhoods 537 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: we grew up in. 538 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: So I said what she called them, right, wand blah, 539 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: I'm not going nowhere right And an hour later he said, well, man, 540 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 3: you know after average man, He said, man, if you 541 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: don't go, aint going, and then he just pulled a club. 542 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: I'm just like, God, damn it. You know, it's like 543 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: when you're probably saying, hey, we riding, I gotta go 544 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: to that. I end up going and speaking. But I 545 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: told people it's our duty not to burn down our 546 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: own house in a time of angle, but to be 547 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: a fortification in times of organized because I feel like 548 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: there's certain places where we dominate and he can apply 549 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: more power if we do a Teseslin Figuraro is doing it, 550 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: going in places, teaching people how to win local offices. 551 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 3: And then so what's the purpose of teaching people how 552 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: to win a local office. It's certain people so angry 553 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: with Michael on the second time around he didn't support someone. 554 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: On the campaign. Did they forget that? 555 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: I was instrut remembering getting Keisha las Volunte elected before 556 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: her for same re elected. Our current mayor, Andre Dickens elected, 557 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 3: John Alsoff elected and war Not elected twice. 558 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: But what is that matter? Our mayor cares about affordable 559 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: house It's getting impossible for time work class. 560 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: People live what they are. I've seen Europe souse. I've 561 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: been around the world four five times. 562 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: In Europe. 563 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: If you work at the city in Paris, you live 564 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: twenty minutes outside the city. I don't want to see 565 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: our cities become that and our grandmama still allays onto them. 566 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, so how do we keep that? 567 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: You keep that by getting state representatives elected. They can 568 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: take their ass to DC and say, sending that federal 569 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: money funding down here, And what happens board home housing 570 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: projects which has got torn down with shady low live. 571 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: Now it's about to be a mixed income community in 572 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: which you can. 573 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Buy a home or rental home. And what does that set? 574 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: What good did that sit make? Michael? 575 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 3: Well, that makes it if you got to rich folks, 576 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: black folks living right next to work class white folks, 577 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 3: you got better schools. 578 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: Because how your taxes being paid by? Then well I'm 579 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: a product of that. Nigga. That ain't no theory. That's 580 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: Collyer Heights Elementary, Frederick Douglas High School, more House College output. 581 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: A nigga like me, Nigga like me, help you, let 582 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: healthy help win elections. 583 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: This money comes down and now you get to reinentrofy 584 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: the same community and you get to replicate the same things. 585 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: But it's a process. It don't just happen like a 586 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: Lincoln magic. It happens when you support. 587 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: People like teds and say this is how you run 588 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: and this is how you win. 589 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: It happens once you get those people elected to call 590 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 3: them a task and say that money's coming, that money 591 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 3: better find his way. You just stop on boards me 592 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: And if you don't know, you're not clear state you 593 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: have to do that. Find somebody who is. And do 594 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: they tell you to do? 595 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: You know? 596 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: For me, I say, I give it time. You can 597 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: be angry with me for the moves I make. And 598 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: that's five the time of tale I met with the 599 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: Republican Covenant. Everybody lost their goddamn man, nigga, I pay tentions. 600 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: I'm never gonna get my money in a white man 601 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 3: and not talk to them gave money. Thisation I had 602 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: with them was around trade schools, a leading a pathway 603 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: to trade schools, in particular for African American voice is 604 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: where are going to pologize the same? 605 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: Well? Not well? Mike? What? 606 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 7: What? 607 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 608 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: That means that this year he signed into law the 609 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: return of the Hawk Scholarship. The Host Scholarship gives kids 610 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: with a B average, not an A not an A plus, 611 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: not a a B average free tuition for state schools, 612 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: including trades. 613 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: School So now all the little boys who were coming 614 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: to me. What I need to do. I want to 615 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: be an engineer. 616 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: Noah, Now let's let's let's let's we get to signed 617 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: off engineering school. But let's make sure you know how 618 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: to build a studio. It makes you you know carpentry, plumbing, 619 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: and electricity, you know what I mean. Now, all these 620 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 3: boys got a chance go to school to pool. My nephew, 621 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: you's got a chance go to pool for free. But 622 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 3: if I wouldn't have never met with the man, ain't 623 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 3: been a part of the saying, hey, you gotta do this, 624 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: you gotta do this. Would he have done it? Now, 625 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: don't win every argument with him. I call him and said, 626 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: please don't sign and met with him in this administration, Please. 627 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: Don't sign in the law of gang. 628 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: It has been billed. He signed into the bill. I 629 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: told mommy, I disagree with it. I understand public fear. 630 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: So what I gotta do Now I gotta run around 631 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: and talk about fifteen to twenty prosecutors. You have the 632 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: option not to use this bill to prosecute this young man. 633 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: This is the next level boys academy. Let's at least 634 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: give them an opportunity to do that. 635 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: So that what does that matter? 636 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: That matters because this white Republican govern saw a project 637 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: called Project Pinnacle, started by African American Democrat judge named 638 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: Rosha Jackson, who I've known since I was a child. 639 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: She starts the Pinnacle program. You coming to her court 640 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: first time, getting in trouble, bullshit, crazy shit, assault drug. 641 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: She said, I'm going to give you a year to 642 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 3: clean your shit up. After that year we'll reevaluate. If so, 643 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: we'll wipe it exposure. You'll be okay. That program is 644 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: so successful in the Cab County that our white Republican 645 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 3: governor then found another Democratic woman in miss I Lei. 646 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 3: Miss I Lee starts the Georgia Georgia Public Defenders Foundation, 647 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 3: which I'm on the board of. And now this thing 648 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: mirrors the Pinnacle program. So what was working in the 649 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: county is now statewide. Think if I don't have a 650 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: relationship with those two black Democratic women and that one 651 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: white Republican man, does the Whope scholarship get signed again? 652 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: Does the Pinnacle program getting made into a state program? 653 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: So I'll take the lastest these, Lord, no, I say 654 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: it dancing he let me get rich, stuffing around doors. 655 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: I'll take the lastes. But on the very person no level. 656 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: I can't take your criticism if you don't live in 657 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: the State of George, live in Atlanta, if you're not 658 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: doing the work. 659 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of. 660 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: Times before we get so excited and we headlines, we 661 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: have to understand that The most the most magic thing 662 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: about this album to me was it got a chance 663 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: to show you that I'm the product of the work 664 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 3: of other people who poured into my cup, so that 665 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: when my cup running th over and got a hole 666 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: in it, were not losing water, is pouring in the open. 667 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: And after I die, that's all I want to be 668 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: like a grandmama funeral, my grandma. You the thought that 669 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: Nigga died. That was important, but it was so packed me. 670 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: I didn't realize my sisters like we didn't realize. 671 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: She was so connected, but she was just she was 672 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: just one active woman on her street. She said, activism 673 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: starts on your street. What have you done to help 674 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: get these ten neighbors to your right and your left? 675 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 3: She would complain to the city about sanitationous, but right 676 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: after she been play she would organize the neighbors to 677 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: get together and everybody come out and you clean up 678 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: your and if you get done first, you just went 679 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: over to your neighbors. Yeah, to the other neighbors yard. 680 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: And in the meantime she's on the city's ass. And 681 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: when the city don't listen. Next, no folk, I'm a 682 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: call the news. Nil we get from school, our grandma mother. 683 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: Fault on the news. 684 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: Hey, they not picking up our trash on time. And 685 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: the mail calling hawk sayd ho we sorry. So that's 686 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: what you have to beat that digitally about things and 687 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: you and you don't. You don't take some nos and news. 688 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 689 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: Remember when I'm young, tr fo say Betty talk too much, 690 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: but they shut fun up and they trash got picked 691 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: up on it. 692 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 693 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: If you like what you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, 694 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell 695 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: a friend. 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