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Speaker 2: So wow former Point Cord, North Carolina about that? Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Let's get to Peter King.

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Speaker 2: Peter King with us NBC Sports NFL Insider is the

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Speaker 2: host of the Peter King podcast and authors the weekly

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Speaker 2: Football Morning in America column every Monday, exclusively on nbcsports

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Speaker 2: dot com. Uh, Peter, I'd like to start here because

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Speaker 2: your information is so great. What the hell is going

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Speaker 2: on with Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think this is a this goes back

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Speaker 4: obnoxious about this. It might go back thirty years because really,

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Speaker 4: you know, what happens in the Packers is very football traditional.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: The general manager picks the players, the coach coaches the players,

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Speaker 4: and the players play and never the twain shall meet.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, and I think we're getting

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Speaker 4: to a point now. We saw it a little bit

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Speaker 4: He wants to have a little say, and maybe not

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Speaker 4: who the team is going to draft, but just hey,

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Speaker 4: let's just talk about this. So I get it. I

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Speaker 4: just want to give you my two cents worth. And

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Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers just don't do that. They never

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Speaker 4: did it with Brett farre they, you know, and they

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Speaker 4: certainly haven't done it with with Aaron Rodgers. And I think,

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Speaker 4: so this is my this is this is a weird

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Speaker 4: way to look at this, all right, But I think

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Speaker 4: a little bit of this also is a little bit,

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Speaker 4: honestly of quarterback envy with Tom Brady. And you know,

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Speaker 4: you look at what and I'm not I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: I you know, I'm envious and I'm angry about you know,

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Speaker 4: what happened to Brady. I think, honestly, I think they

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Speaker 2: Peter, are you saying, because this is fascinating to me,

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Lafleur knew what was going on. He's

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Speaker 4: I've never asked that question, but it is a good question.

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Speaker 4: then that Aaron Rodgers is going to dictate policy or dictate, hey,

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Speaker 4: I think what I mean is just hearing what Rogers thinks.

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Speaker 3: No, Peter, I think you're dead on where he is.

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Speaker 2: He's looking at Tom Brady and the Buccaneers and Brady

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Speaker 2: I think he said he wanted to let it Fournette.

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Speaker 2: And yet he's playing for an organization who, for the

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Speaker 3: Of the draft.

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Speaker 2: He has to be frustrated.

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Speaker 4: I mean I would I would think so, and I think, look, honestly,

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Speaker 3: And you Mark, I look better late than never.

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Speaker 4: But I believe, and I have believed in the last

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Speaker 3: Very very well.

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Speaker 4: And what were they either the highest scoring team in

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Speaker 4: they haven't helped them, but they certainly haven't helped them

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Speaker 2: Peter, you had the best mocked draft last year, and

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Speaker 2: you did it once again this year.

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Speaker 3: But I do have to question you on something.

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Speaker 2: How does Peter King get nine and a half picks

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Speaker 3: Where's the half, Peter? How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Come on?

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Speaker 3: Well, the nine and a half. Here's the nine and

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Speaker 4: Okay, Like, here's here's how I count them, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think I think this was in the Sporting News that.

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Speaker 3: They they did it.

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Speaker 4: If you like, I pick Vera Tucker, you know, the

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Speaker 4: He was the fourteenth pick overall, but it was to

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Speaker 2: Uh, Peter, did you see this coming years ago?

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Speaker 3: The draft becoming this what it is today?

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Speaker 4: Hey, I've told this story that my first year covering

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Speaker 3: So if I write who the Bengals are going to.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, he told me, you know, from one

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Speaker 4: So they all found out ten minutes before UH San

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Speaker 2: So I guess, Mikey, hey, Chris, Chris Simms was not

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Speaker 2: and therefore I just so I just asked Simms, how

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Speaker 2: Peter King with us NBC Sports NFL Insider, also the

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Speaker 2: dot com. Quick you know surmise for Mike, mikey A

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Speaker 4: The reason the reason why I the reason why I

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Speaker 4: Will be very surprised if he's not the starting back

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Speaker 4: It seems like every other day the Poster Daily News

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Speaker 2: this note. We need some help here, okay. Tony Bisselli

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Speaker 4: And I think the one reason why I'm passionate about

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Speaker 4: Forget going into the locker room after the game, and

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Speaker 4: And look, I just think Tony Bisselli is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is that fair? Peter? Very good?

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Speaker 4: Hey, listen, thank you, thank you for having me. Good luck,

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. We're gonna have you back

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, Mike. I only did

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Speaker 2: up with Peter King. I love you, Piselli, Stepoty