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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, Tony Peterson and

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Speaker 1: I are breaking down five hard earned white tail lessons

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Speaker 1: but the two of us were recently reminded of and

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Speaker 1: that we believe can help you become more successful this season.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light. And I'm back. I'm back

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Speaker 1: from whatever thing Tony has been saying I've been doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been, uh, filming a fantasy

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Speaker 1: movie with Spencer, or collecting seashells or god knows what,

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Speaker 1: but I'm back from it. And hunting season has kicked

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Speaker 1: off for me and my partner in crime, Tony. So

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Speaker 1: today we are back together and we're here to discuss

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Speaker 1: what we learned from our first hunts of the year.

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Speaker 1: We've had some highs, we've had some lows, and we've

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Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of what i'd call learning opportunities

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Speaker 1: in between. And I think Tony, I think you'd agree

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Speaker 1: that there's been some hard earned lessons here. Early on

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Speaker 1: like right out the gate that we can you know,

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Speaker 1: as an individuals, but then I think also for everybody

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Speaker 1: else listening, I think we can all learn from some

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Speaker 1: of these things and take it through the rest of

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Speaker 1: the Deer season. So we're gonna talk through our first

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Speaker 1: couple hunts of the year. You know, that would be

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Speaker 1: my early season hunt in Idaho with further and your

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Speaker 1: hunt Tony in Wisconsin, or your hunts I should say,

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Speaker 1: with your daughters. Um, And then what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is as we use these stories, as we talk

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Speaker 1: through these stories, we're gonna highlight and break down maybe

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Speaker 1: four five, six major lessons that we can taking these

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Speaker 1: that we can take from these hunts, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: used throughout the rest of the year. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: my game plan, Tony. Uh, good plan, bad plan? Are

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Speaker 1: you indifferent? Are you already bored? What do you think? No?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good plan, man. I Uh. I'm

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Speaker 1: just continually amazed at how often I bump into something

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Speaker 1: I think you and I have both gone through some

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Speaker 1: stuff already this season. That's that's worth sharing in this episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's uh. It's it's both depressing and encouraging that we

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Speaker 1: can You know, I've been hunting since I was three

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Speaker 1: or four. You've been hunting for gosh knows how long,

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Speaker 1: and we're still learning stuff or being reminded of stuff,

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Speaker 1: or bumping up against something and saying, damn it, what

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Speaker 1: do we do now? You just never stop learning. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. I think. Oh I do.

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Speaker 1: I do too. I mean, I think you know. There's

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Speaker 1: one one reminder you get when you're when you create

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Speaker 1: content in this space, you know, doing the job that

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Speaker 1: you and I do. It's like you hit March and

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Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know what to talk about. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to write about. And then you hit

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Speaker 1: September and you're like, I have a million different ideas

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Speaker 1: I want to cover because you're out there living it

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Speaker 1: and there's so many of those things that happened to

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Speaker 1: you were like, man, you're just just such a valuable

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Speaker 1: lessons and in that encounter or that experience or that

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Speaker 1: blood trail or whatever, it's just this is this is

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Speaker 1: a wild time year. I'm excited for this Mark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. Hey, real quick, I just remember before we

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Speaker 1: get into these hunts. I do have to make a

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Speaker 1: couple of plugs. Uh, first off season eleven of meat Eater,

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Speaker 1: the newest season, the brand new season of meat Eater

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Speaker 1: is going to be Oh gosh, I'm gonna get real

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Speaker 1: trouble here if I get the date wrong. So I

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Speaker 1: better get this date right. Um. The new season is

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Speaker 1: going to be launching, uh on October twenty six. Yes,

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Speaker 1: October twenty six, the new season will be launching. But

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Speaker 1: here's the kicker. This is different than before. The new

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Speaker 1: season is only going to be available on the meat

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Speaker 1: Eater website. It's gonna be free. You don't need a

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Speaker 1: new account for anything, Like, you don't have to pay

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Speaker 1: Mediator website and then you can watch that new season

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Speaker 1: for free October. And in the weeks leading up to that,

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Speaker 1: So that's plug number one. If you want to see

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Speaker 1: some cool new Mediator stuff that's coming your way, to

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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com to miss anything on that one, Tony,

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Speaker 1: you're you're on the same emails as a mean they

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Speaker 1: get that right. I think you nailed it, buddy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: plug number two and this one I know pretty well

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Speaker 1: because I've been so involved in it. Uh my show

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Speaker 1: Deer Country, my brand new whitetail show Deer Country. We

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Speaker 1: now have three. No, by the time you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: there will have been four episodes up on the meat

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Speaker 1: Eater YouTube channel. So you've heard me mention the Washington

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Speaker 1: d C. Hunt. You've heard me mentioned the Arkansas back

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Speaker 1: country hunt. You last week hopefully saw me chase white

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Speaker 1: this week's episode, I went up to Maine to learn

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Speaker 1: how to track deer in the snow, um and learning

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Speaker 1: under the tutelage of how blood just like a legend

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Speaker 1: in that world. Uh, really really interesting hunt Like. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of great learning opportunities in that one. So

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Speaker 1: highly recommend you check that stuff out. Tony. Pretend I'm

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Speaker 1: not here. You don't need to, you don't need to

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Speaker 1: butter me up, you don't need to fluff me. Can

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Speaker 1: you give us your review so far off Dear Country?

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Speaker 1: Or what should people expect or be looking for if

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Speaker 1: they haven't watched it yet? I think they should check

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Speaker 1: check it out because it is not like any other

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Speaker 1: You're Hunting show out there, And I truly mean that that.

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Speaker 1: The concept is great and it's just a different thing

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Speaker 1: than the industry has been delivering for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: So they should check it on. On that recommendation alone,

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Speaker 1: there you go, I think, I think that's accurate, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth watching. Like you said, it's different.

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Speaker 1: It's not a bunch of big trophy bucks delivered on

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Speaker 1: a platter. It's all about new places, new styles of hunting,

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Speaker 1: and the good thing about it too is you're right.

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Speaker 1: It does highlight the reality of so many different hunting

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Speaker 1: this is a different thing. Yeah, we don't need any

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Speaker 1: So speaking of that, then let's let's continue talking about

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Speaker 1: of outcomes in these kind of rainy situations, and it's

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00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: it's a hard decision. Well it is, and what kind

429
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: of ultimately, you know, put its finger on the scale there.

430
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 1: For me was the fact that this is like Northwood's thick, nasty.

431
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: This is not like a nice deciduous forest where grid

432
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: searching is going to be like a real good possibility.

433
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: And I knew if we lost that blood trail, it

434
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: was really going to be like a needle in a

435
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: hay stack type of thing, because this is even the

436
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: higher woods they're they're just thick and nasty. They're like

437
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: good grouse cover type of stuff. And I knew the

438
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: direction he was heading. There's an enormous swamp there. You know,

439
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: it's part of cat tails, part alder thickets, part willows,

440
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: just just like rough stuff to to a grid search.

441
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: And so I said, we're gonna go slow, but we're

442
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna stay on this blood and see how it shakes out.

443
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: And you know, you get two hundred yards into it

444
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: and you go, now, I know this is not what

445
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Right. There's no way she shot

446
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: him through the ribs the way we were hoping. But

447
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: you've got good blood, and so you keep pushing it

448
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: and sneaking along. And it was It was really rough

449
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: because you know, a couple of hundred yards into it

450
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: and you're soaked, and it's like there's you know, every

451
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: every advancement you make on the trail, you're like, well

452
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: this this feels good because we're still on blood, but

453
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: we're going farther and the odds of us running across

454
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: this dear dead, you know. And so what I started thinking,

455
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: and I'm sure, but listening to this, they're going, I

456
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: was a muscle hit And that's what I started thinking.

457
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: She hit it too low, or she hit it too

458
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: far forward, and you know, hit a whole bunch of

459
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: muscle right away, and you get a lot of that

460
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: promising bright red blood, and then you start to lose

461
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: it a little bit. And I would say probably, I

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe between like four hundred and five yards

463
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: into it, I started finding just like clotted up blood

464
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: on stuff that he would brush up against. And then

465
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is this does not make

466
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: me feel good. And it hadn't stopped raining when I

467
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: was supposed to, and so we got into that swamp

468
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: and I lost it completely, Like I'm like, I got

469
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: no more blood and I was just standing there and

470
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: this happens a lot. I'm just standing there and I'm

471
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: looking at her, and she's soaked and she's cold, and

472
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: it's been hours, and that buck got up and ran

473
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: away through that swamp like he wasn't even hurt. And

474
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: what he went through I was. I stayed. I had

475
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: her stay there, and I went to get on it

476
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: again and and I was like up to my nuts

477
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: and swamp water, I'm like, I can't even go anymore.

478
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: And it was just like he went through there like

479
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: he had no problem. And so we ended up trying

480
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: to get around there and and pick him up again

481
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: and lost it again. And it was just like one

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: of those deals where you're like we're blood trailing or

483
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: you know, now we're just like looking for sign on

484
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: a deer that I don't think it's dead. And it

485
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: just was one of those deals where it was like

486
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: just not fun. It went it went from real fun

487
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: to real frustrating and disappointing, and it was a long day.

488
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: How did how did she take it? Like, what did

489
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: you say to your daughter to get through something like that?

490
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: You know, she was really beating up on herself on

491
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: the blood trail, especially, you know, being out there and

492
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: being soaked and just knowing because she was she went

493
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: from you know, like she went on the roller coaster. Man.

494
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: She was she was convinced she smoked it. And then

495
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: when we started a greanell that this wasn't the case,

496
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: I think she started to accept it and she was

497
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: really bummed, like really bummed. But you know, by the

498
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: time we got back and got dried out, you know,

499
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: she was asking me about the deer I've hit loss.

500
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't we have how much time do

501
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: you have? You know, like, if you do this stuff

502
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: long enough, that happens, And you know, I think with

503
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: her especially, I think you'll leave a real mark. And

504
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: I think she'll think long and hard about her shots

505
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: in the future, and I think she'll take better shots

506
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: and it. And it's not like this wasn't a good

507
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: shot to take. I think it just happened fast, and

508
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: I think she rushed it. And she's she's usually really

509
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: solid with that stuff, like she's killed deer in turkeys

510
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: and usually pretty good at it. And I think this

511
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: one she'll go, I'm gonna make sure that I'm going

512
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: to hit that deer right where I want to from

513
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: here on out, And so it was, you know, it

514
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: went okay. So what's the what's the takeaway from this one?

515
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: Is it to do with the shot? Is to do

516
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: with the tracking? Like, is there any major lesson you're

517
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: reminded of or that you can learn that we can

518
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: all think about from this, you know, I think I

519
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: think the lesson is, you know, you you can say, Okay,

520
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: well I hit like this, you need to wait six

521
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: hours or eight hours, or hit like that you need

522
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: to wait this amount of time or this kind of

523
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: blood or this kind of reaction, and all of that

524
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: stuff is okay. But really, what this, you know, the

525
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: post shot recovery boils down to is experience level. And

526
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: when you go through something like this, it just reminds

527
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: you that even you know, even I've been on I

528
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: don't know how many blood shils now, you know, hundreds

529
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: between me and all my buddies and everybody, like you

530
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: still go through those emotions and that those times on

531
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: a blood trail where you're like, I don't know. And

532
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: what I felt the worst about on this one was

533
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: like I felt like I had to push it because

534
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: of the rain, and I'm norm only really cautious about

535
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: blood trails like I'd rather give them way more time

536
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: than not enough. And on this one, I was just like,

537
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: should I even have been hunting in this stuff? You know,

538
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: like should I? Because I know one of the things

539
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: that I can't stand is when I feel rushed on

540
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: a blood trail. And you know, when you walk out

541
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: there and it's pouring rain. Unless you're a total idiot,

542
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well, if we shoot one and it

543
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: doesn't go perfectly, we're gonna be rushed on this blood trail.

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: So my my biggest regret there was not really factoring

545
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: that in and and deciding whether it was worth it

546
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: to hunt in those conditions or not. So what do

547
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: you stand on that, now, Tony, As far as do

548
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: you hunt when you know there's gonna be a steady

549
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: rain or not? I mean that's something that for a

550
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: long time I thought, oh for sure, because I grew

551
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: up in the school of of a certain person who

552
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: reaches always hunting in the rain, it's great hunting. And

553
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: and so I started hunting all the time in the

554
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: rain and saw a lot of good actions. So I

555
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm into it. But then you know,

556
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: the more you have bad things happen. Like what you discussed.

557
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: The more I start to think more and more about, gosh,

558
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: what happens if I do have that blood trail disappear.

559
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: And so I've I've gone back and forth and back

560
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: and forth and back and forth on it myself. Um,

561
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: when I'm in a spot where I'm close to home

562
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: with with a buddy that has a tracking dog, that

563
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: makes me a lot more comfortable because they can do

564
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: very well in the rain. Actually, Um, but I'm curious

565
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: what your take is because I don't I don't have

566
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: a I don't have a conclusive answer for every situation.

567
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of up in the air for me, still

568
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: on kind of situation dependent. Yeah, you know, for me,

569
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I love hunting in the rain.

570
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: I just you know, the deer moving the rain big time.

571
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: But I'll probably be a little more cautious because this

572
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: was This wasn't like a nice drizzle where they're gonna

573
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: come on the beans and it's gonna be awesome. This

574
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: was like pretty heavy and it was probably too heavy

575
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: to take a ten year old in, you know. Like that.

576
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: That was my lesson there. If it was me, you know,

577
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: and I was sitting out there, I would hunt that situation,

578
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: but I would be I'd be like it's twenty yards

579
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: or in or I'd be really really selective. And this one,

580
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, I'm hoping this buck shows back

581
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: up on camera. I'm hoping he didn't die. But I

582
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: suspect what she did was just shot a little too

583
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: far forward, and so she probably wasn't off by much.

584
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: It might have been a couple inch difference or something

585
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: like that. But it doesn't matter, you know, Like this

586
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: is this is the outcome that happened from it, and

587
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: so it just does make you think, like, and it

588
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: might be different for me. If I took her to

589
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: my buddy's place in southwestern Wisconsin with nice open woods

590
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: and deciduous forests, that might be a different deal than

591
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: being up in northern Wisconsin where it's just thick and nasty,

592
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you might have the same consideration.

593
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you live in Nebraska, you might hunt

594
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: in the downpour all the time and never worry about

595
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: losing a deer, But if you hunt Louisiana, you might

596
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's a good point. Well, ah, that

597
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: is the toughest of lessons, right there, No doubt about that. Yeah,

598
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: it was. It was a pain. And what really sucks

599
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: is that little five point was like the buck we

600
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: were hunting. I was like, that's the guy who's living here,

601
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: and I think that's the one we're gonna kill. And

602
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: now we don't have anything to work with, so I

603
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: gotta wait for somebody else to move in. But you know,

604
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's it's a learning experience

605
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: every year, and that one, that one was a lesson

606
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: that she was going to learn eventually and I was

607
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna be reminded of and it just happened to happen

608
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. Well, I hope things trend back up

609
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: for you and your daughters here in the coming weeks.

610
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Do you wanna want to hear about my story and

611
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: lessons learned? I do. I can't wait. All right, So

612
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Idaho year three. I've done full recaps of the previous

613
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: two years of hunts here on the podcast, so any

614
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: long time listeners should should know what's happened here. But

615
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a really quick cliff notes to

616
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: lead you up to this point. Because when I set

617
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: out for the first hunt, first day of our season,

618
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: I said, all right, this is like day sixteen, and

619
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: our buddy Sam who tagged along for some of it. Uh,

620
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean day sixteen? This

621
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: day one. I'm like, no, this is like day sixteen

622
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: because we hunted two different times the previous two years.

623
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like now today is like the accumulation

624
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: of all these other hunts leading up to it, Like

625
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I've been whittling away, whittling away of figuring out, figuring out,

626
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: and finally like I know the spots within the spots,

627
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: I have a plan A, and I have a Plan B,

628
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and I know where these things are and like I've

629
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: got it nailed finally. Okay, That's how I thought going

630
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: into this. And um so year one, the very quick

631
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: cliff notes like me and my buddy Josh further showed

632
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: up to this brand new piece of public that I

633
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: had just like Blast one night in summer was the

634
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: extent of experience I had out there in Year one.

635
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: We start hunting it and right away like we're seeing

636
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: a lot of deer and like we have some close

637
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: calls with nice bucks. But then very quickly like we're

638
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: seeing people like every night walking past us or walking

639
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: or we're walking past them or we're seeing trucks at

640
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: the trailheads, and like every day there was some kind

641
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: of bump, some kind of running with folks, and like

642
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: very quickly, dear behavior change. I saw a couple of

643
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: really nice bucks, but then had like a bunch of

644
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: kids drive UTVs all around me and like just destroy

645
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: the whole area. So that was year one. It was

646
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: promising in a way because we saw a good deer

647
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: and a bunch of deer, but discouraging because like hunting

648
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: pressure like blew up everything. We thought we might be

649
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: able to make a move on. That was year one.

650
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Year two we go back in and we said, all right,

651
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: hunting pressure is a problem. We're gonna just get past them,

652
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get deeper and both like farther in

653
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: from the access points and then also deeper towards the

654
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: deep deep bedding cover that's along this river corridor. And

655
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: we start doing that, and right away we uh start

656
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, seeing dear, we kind of edge in a

657
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: little bit further. Each day we have close calls. Josh

658
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: had several nice close calls with good bucks. Missed a

659
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: buck twice. I had to throw that. I always have

660
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: to throw that in is that why he isn't on

661
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, he didn't want to relive that again.

662
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: And then I pushed in discover this new betting here

663
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: on these islands and had you know, two different shooter

664
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: bucks within the arrangement behind brush and saw a bunch

665
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: more movement that you know, really gave me a firm

666
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: idea of okay, like we're so close, but we just

667
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: ran out of time. So that was year two. Again

668
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: though we're seeing people like there were folks going in

669
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: two miles with us. I couldn't believe it. There was

670
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, bumped into folks here and there, trail cameras,

671
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: so we knew pressure was still a thing, but we

672
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: were we were in it, like we were getting deep

673
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: enough that we were still in it. So year three

674
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I've said, okay, I know we have to get into

675
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: where we kind of finally settled on there at the

676
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: end last year. Um, I know it'll be deer moving

677
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: back there. I know their patterns. We just have to

678
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: tweak things. We are so close. So this summer I

679
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: went back in there and did a little more scouting,

680
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: scouting out a few more areas, went further than I've

681
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: gone in the past, kind of the spots that I

682
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: had observed last year from afar, I went and walked

683
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: on foot and so, okay, this is why the deer

684
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: were doing this thing, and okay, this is why they

685
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: were doing that other thing. So, for example, at the

686
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: end of year two, I had been on working this island,

687
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and you might remember this, Tony, I was texting you.

688
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I had these bucks come through heading

689
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of northwest to southeast and the head of that

690
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: way in the evening, and then the morning they came

691
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: up the opposite side of the island, like seventy yards

692
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: across this little opening and went back the other way.

693
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: And then the next day they went back that way again.

694
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: And so I was trying to figure out, like, are

695
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: they gonna come on the north side of the island

696
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: to the south side of the island, and why did

697
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: they always kind of hook down at the end of

698
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: this island. I didn't quite know the answer to that.

699
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: So the summer, when I back in there, I walked

700
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it all and I found that there's this channel that

701
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: where I've been crossing. It was pretty narrow and relatively

702
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: easy to cross, but if you kept going down to

703
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: the east, that channel went from being like a creek

704
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden expanding into like a great

705
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: big backwater and basically impassable, like they could if they wanted.

706
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: But none of these deer, we're going to go across

707
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: this like fifty yard sixty yard wide big pond when

708
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: they could just cross here at the beginning of that

709
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: little shallow spot. And what I realized when I got there,

710
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: I saw that, and then all this sign showed like

711
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: oh wow, all of those deer, they're they're going on

712
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: opposite sides of the island, but when they get to

713
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: this point, they're all coming. They're all funneling down to

714
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: this crossing. So I realized, like, all right, I found

715
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: the spot within the spot here. And then I found

716
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: like a similar kind of thing, different specifics, but another

717
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: one of these like spots within the spot on another

718
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: section of the public and another zone I kind of

719
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: explored a little bit. Year one and two, I found

720
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: another one. So I had like three of these spots

721
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: that were fine too, And I thought this summer, so

722
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: coming into the hunt, when I talked to Sam, like man,

723
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: this is day sixteen. I got him dialed. I knew, like,

724
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: all right, I've got this Plan A that is like

725
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: keyed up, and then that that doesn't work, Okay, I've

726
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: got this other Plan B that I think is just

727
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: going to be a great opportunity to and if that

728
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work, I still know this other spot that I've

729
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: really you know, worked and figuring it out, and they're

730
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I should at one other point, which

731
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: is that because of all that hunting pressure we experienced

732
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: in year one and year two, that first week, we

733
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: got to thinking that this might be like the opening

734
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: week effect that you've experienced and I have experienced, and

735
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: a lot of folks I think over the last I

736
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: don't know, five plus a or something like that. As

737
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: as kind of this early season opener hunting has gotten

738
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: more and more popular. It seems like everybody's out there

739
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: opening day in these early states, Nebraska, Kentucky, North Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming, wherever.

740
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: If you've got that early September thing, it's it's kind

741
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: of rare still, right, Not all states are open, so

742
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: everybody floods to these states to hunt those first few days.

743
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: So I thought, how about I just devoid that first

744
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: week of crazy, come back two and a half three

745
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: weeks later and come in like late ish September, when

746
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: maybe all these guys that have been hunting or off

747
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: to other states now or they're off to hunt Elk

748
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: or Mulety or something, and maybe we'll have the woods

749
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: to ourselves now and hopefully, you know, with three weeks

750
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: under their belts, maybe these deer have like they got

751
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: blown up that first week and got really pressured, but

752
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: if it died off the next two two and a

753
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: half weeks, maybe they'd get back to being comfortable again,

754
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd have this shanger a lot of

755
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: type situation. That was my hope and my theory. So

756
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: we decided to show up on September I don't know,

757
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: or something like that to hunt that like third and

758
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: fourth week of September. So those are my thoughts letting

759
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: into it, Tony and listening to this, does it just

760
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: make you laugh? Are you just sitting Chuck? You're just

761
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: like following I feel like you're just following my thought

762
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: process from like the last couple of years. And I

763
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: know how it shakes out. I know how it chok

764
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: out for you, and I know how it chook out

765
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: for me. And man, there is just a saturation point

766
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: out there with pressure that it takes a while to overcome.

767
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: And I know your thought process seems sound when you're like, well,

768
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: it's been a couple of weeks the opening, the opening

769
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: week for first should have died down and things should

770
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: be back to normal. That has not been my experience

771
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: in some of these early opener states. It's like maybe

772
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: maybe a month later, maybe five weeks later, you can

773
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: start getting back on them in a in a natural

774
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of movement pattern. But man, it's it's tough when

775
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you hunt those states that open early in the in

776
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: the velvet pressure is real, and it's just it's just

777
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there pushing them around. It

778
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: changes things in a hurry, and it changes them for

779
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, And and that's that's what we came

780
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: to see two. Unfortunately, because that first night I went

781
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: to this that location I told you about with the

782
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: island and the backwater and everything, and I felt really

783
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: good about it. And Josh went into this location last

784
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: year that heat hunted and fine tuned and had these

785
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: close calls over the nice Buck. We both went and

786
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: there feeling really good. But I got a couple pieces

787
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: of bad news leading up to it, Like a day

788
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: or two before this, another hunter that I bumped into

789
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: their last year and then exchanged phone numbers texted me

790
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: and said that, man, it doesn't look good in there.

791
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: I've been in there. There's very little sign um and

792
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: there had been like some development on neighboring private lands,

793
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: some new stuff had been built, and he was just like,

794
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know what's going on. Doesn't look as good.

795
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Because I was a little concerning. And then when we

796
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: drove up one of the access points, not the one

797
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: that we're going to use, but one of them had

798
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: three trucks, and so that made me think like, oh, man,

799
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't bode well for my theory. Um. But we

800
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: go in, I go to this spot I set up,

801
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: feels great. I was very confident going in. We brought

802
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: e bikes this year so that we could come in

803
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: and out faster and hopefully lower impact on these deer

804
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: when we're rolling by them in the mornings or late

805
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: at night. Um, because it's like a two plus mile

806
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: previously have been a hike, So we were doing like

807
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: two miles in the morning, two miles out midday, two

808
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: miles in the afternoon, two miles out in the evening,

809
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: so we're doing eight mile days. So this year we

810
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: brought quiet cats and that was huge, really really nice

811
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to have that. Uh So we get in there. I'm

812
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: feeling great. I'm buzzing along on my bike, just like

813
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: thinking about how nice it's gonna be to roll one

814
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: of these bucks out here tonight on my little trailer

815
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: that I've got back in the truck, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

816
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: and uh get in the tree and I see one

817
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: dough for the entire night, one dough previously in this spot.

818
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing fifteen twenty plus deer, bunch of bucks.

819
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: One dough on our first hunt. Josh same thing. First

820
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: hunt of his in this general area last year, he

821
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: saw like two shooters a bunch of deer. He saw nothing,

822
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: zero deer. That's day one. I'm gonna fast forward and

823
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: move quickly through some of these events here because day

824
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: two we have very similar situations. I decide based on

825
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: what I saw Day one and based on kind of

826
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: some funky wind stuff that was happening night number one. Um,

827
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I did have that that made

828
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: me a little bit up in the air was that

829
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: when the wind died, I had like a weird kind

830
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: of like thermal thing with my wind. It was supposed

831
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: to be going southwest, and every once in a while

832
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: it would push east, and I think that was what

833
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: I found is in some of these spots along this river,

834
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen all the time, so it's like you

835
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: don't you don't know it until you're in this situation.

836
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to figure out why or what

837
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: features of the land causes, but in some areas you'll

838
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: get this effect where the current of the river kind

839
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: of pushes your wind along. It seems to be like

840
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: a very low wind speed um in certain like if

841
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: you're deep enough or close enough to this like canyons wretch,

842
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: it pulls. In other places it will be true to

843
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: the forecast, and in this particular area that particular night,

844
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: it just gave me a handful of times where it

845
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: pulled more from an easterly direction, and that wasn't good

846
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: for the movement I was expecting. So after that first night,

847
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, it might have been bad wind ish,

848
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: but also like that was not the way it should

849
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: have panned out. I should have still saw more than that.

850
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: Josh still should have been seeing something with a good

851
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: wind he had, So I decided to one second, mark,

852
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: can we can we hit on that point with the

853
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: river quick? Because I think I think something there that's

854
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: worth talking about is you know, probably with that the

855
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: river situation, it's probably the temperature differentiation. Don't we think

856
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: like the water is colder and it's that's probably have

857
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: an effect on the wind there, or do you think

858
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: it was a train thing? Well, I think it's it's

859
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: definitely a combination of those things, right, because there's like

860
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: a big hill above the river. So you've got two

861
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: different things possibly happening. You've got a normal thermal dropping

862
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: off of these hills right in the evening of things

863
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: cooled down, so you have that possible thermal feature, uh,

864
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: And then you do have like you said, the water

865
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: temperature difference that's gonna pull things um. And then you

866
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: also have just like how like how might a south wind?

867
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: So this hill is big hill, like almost a canyon.

868
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: It's like a one I don't know how to describe.

869
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like almost a cliff on the north side of

870
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: this river corridor, but nothing to the south. So if

871
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: you have a pure south wind, it's like coming from

872
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: the south and hitting that cliff and then is that

873
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: cycling back and doing funky things too. Um, so there's

874
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: like three different possible things happening. And over the last

875
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: three years I've seen I've seen the number of different

876
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: funky things, but the most consistent thing that I've realized

877
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: is that if you have a very low wind, more

878
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: often than not, it's gonna suck. It's gonna turn into

879
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: a wind that kind of goes with the current of

880
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: the river which is going from east to west. So yeah,

881
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we don't it's really hard to

882
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: pin that stuff down, but you know how common it

883
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: is to like encounter that right And you know, we

884
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: we talked about thermals, and we write about thermals, and

885
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, anybody who's ever hunted in the mountains probably

886
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: understands thermals better than somebody who hasn't, because they're so

887
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: extreme typically in the mountains. But even even when you

888
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: do that and you're in a situation like we were

889
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: this year when we were out hunting where it was hot,

890
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: like really hot for out conditions that especially at the

891
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: elevation we were at, and it wasn't getting that cold,

892
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: you didn't get that huge rush of thermals in the

893
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: afternoon coming down. It took a while for it to switch,

894
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: so you had this like because it wasn't such a

895
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: drastic change in temperature. It was more of a like

896
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: a subdued thermal, which like was terrible because you couldn't

897
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: count on it for a long time doing you know,

898
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, you're supposed to be rushing down the

899
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: mountain here pretty soon, and it's doing all kinds of

900
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And I see that in the white tailed

901
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: world to where it's like if your temperatures aren't, like

902
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: if it's not really changing throughout the day, sometimes you

903
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: don't get like really reliable thermals. If it's you know,

904
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: only drop in a few degrees is the sunsets, you're

905
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna get a thermal, but it's not the same thing

906
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: as if it was really gonna get cold and you know,

907
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: drop ten or fifteen degrees in the next hour and

908
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: a half or something. And that's that's like a spot

909
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: situational type of thing, and it saves a lot of

910
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: freaking deer. Yeah, And it's yes, it's it's hard to

911
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: predict to like you can't really peg like, oh, it's

912
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: going to happen this situation or not. It's you have

913
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: to assess quickly and then make a gut decision on

914
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: like is this gonna stick? Like is it gonna is

915
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: this what it's gonna keep doing? And if so, then

916
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: you need to adjust. But then there's always like I

917
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: always worry, like you find like a weird wind thing

918
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: that's going on, and then you're stuck thinking, Okay, do

919
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: I trust that this funky thing that's happening right now

920
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: is going to continue? Or in half hour is it

921
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: going to switch back to the predicted wind? And then

922
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like s O L because I

923
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: didn't set up for that. That's I don't know the

924
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: right answer, just making a gut decision in the moment

925
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: based on you know, experience in the conditions. I guess yeah.

926
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's so it's so tied to so many

927
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: different things, right. It's tied to the temperature and probably

928
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: partially to the seasonality of it, but also, like you said,

929
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: if you have one weird terrain feature around you, like

930
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: I've I've got a spot in North Dakota that I've

931
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: killed some bucks on and it it's like next to

932
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: a huge rock wall, like I don't know how tall

933
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: it is, but if you fell off, you'd be dead

934
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: if you hit the rocks halfway down, Like it's it's tall,

935
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: and it's always kind of a crapshoot when you get

936
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: in there, like, well, how is that going to affect

937
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the wind? Because depending on which way the wind coming from,

938
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: it might be blowing over you and you might not

939
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: have any wind hardly, or if it's coming the other

940
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: way and it's it's blasting against that rock wall, it's like, man,

941
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be here, and it's you know, that's

942
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: only one little small spot there. I bet you if

943
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: you were, you know, five yards away from that, you'd

944
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: have vastly different experience with the same wind. True, I

945
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: think that. I think the takeaway there is just do

946
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: not trust your wind forecast as gospel ever. Yeah, always takeaway, yes, always, always,

947
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: always be monitoring as you're going along, and and be

948
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: willing to adjust and accept your new reality. I think

949
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: that's that's a big one right there. Right, So excuse me,

950
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: so back to my next day and kind of a

951
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: big kind of I don't know if this is a

952
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: lesson I learned, but this is like a thing I

953
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: kept reminding myself of on the trip, so like a

954
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: like a maxim or a like don't ever forget this

955
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: mark as I'm talking to myself is like, you have

956
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: to be willing to pivot fast on these kinds of hunts.

957
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: When I only have a way, it's six days. You

958
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time to ride a dead horse.

959
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: So that first day it was dead. This other hunter

960
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: was telling me how was dead. I had one trail

961
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: camera back there that had been dead leading up to this.

962
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Josh hunts his honey hole, and that's dead. And even

963
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: though I had been in love with this place leading

964
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: up to the hunt, I just had a lot of

965
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: red alarm bells going off. And I, like the previous

966
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: me would have been like a guy, that place is

967
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: so good, you gotta you gotta go on there more.

968
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: But I decided to pull the plug, and I decided,

969
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: you know what I got, you gotta pivot, Like, there's

970
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things here that do not seem

971
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: to be where you want them to. You need to

972
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: find where the deer are. Now. The pressure thing must

973
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: be more than you thought it was gonna be. These

974
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: deer have been impacted more than you were hoping they

975
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: would be. You gotta find him. So day two I

976
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: went past my night my day one location, worked my

977
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: way um into a new area about about a half

978
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: third to a half mile further than my original location.

979
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Scouted my way into a spot and found a spot

980
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: that was about is deep from like distance between cover

981
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: and like the distance from river to food was um,

982
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: but gave me a little bit of an observation zone.

983
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: So this is the zone I've never been into before.

984
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: I could see, like in a couple of different windows

985
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: out to a good distance. I had a number of

986
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: decent runs that were all kind of converging in this

987
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: um I don't know how to describe it. There's like

988
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: this little pockety open stuff and then it pinches down

989
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: to thick cedars heading towards these crop fields like four

990
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: yards away or something. And I thought, Okay, this is

991
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: a nice observation location. If deer are in this new chunk,

992
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some that passed through here. And all

993
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to do on this day was like, I

994
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: just want to know I'm back in the deer. Where

995
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: are these deer? Where have they been pushed to? So

996
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: my theories that they were pushed, you know, another third,

997
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: two a half mile back into this stuff. So now

998
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: we're like two and a half miles from the nearest

999
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: road access long story shore. In this I sat at

1000
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: the ground because I didn't find the right tree, decided

1001
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the right spot. And I

1002
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: saw almost nothing. Again, I saw one little tiny buck

1003
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: like a year probably a year and a half old,

1004
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: maybe the worst two year olds you ever saw. Um,

1005
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: but that was it. And so again, and this is

1006
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: stuff that should be good. Like in previous years, you

1007
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: hunt this kind of place, this far back off the road,

1008
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: you'd be seeing a lot of deer. Again, nearly blinked.

1009
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Josh stuck it out kind of near his little honey hoole.

1010
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: He tweaked it a little bit, but again blanked or

1011
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: saw like one spike or something. So again, now I'm thinking,

1012
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: all right, you gotta pivot. You can't ride a dead horse.

1013
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: Day three now I'm in real desperate search mode, like

1014
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: this is this is not at all like what we're expecting.

1015
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: There not any of the places we thought they'd be.

1016
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: I haven't been seeing fresh tracks, I've not seen a

1017
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of droppings. I've not seen a single rub, nothing

1018
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: like no early velot rubs, nothing like that. So Day three,

1019
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: I go hard. I go all the way to that

1020
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: area that I hunted day two and then decide, okay,

1021
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this. There's like there's old two tracks

1022
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: and stuff that cut through a lot of this public

1023
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: land because ranchers run cattle and stuff, there's some of

1024
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: these places certain times of the year. So I decided, okay,

1025
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride my bike as far as I can

1026
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: take it, which is about two and a half miles.

1027
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get off the bike, lock it up, and

1028
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna walk this two track all the way

1029
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: to the river. I'm gonna go all the way. Is

1030
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: is far away from the food as I can possibly get.

1031
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: And what I've learned is that they're they're bedding along

1032
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: this river. So I'm gonna go right to the river

1033
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna work that river up. And I

1034
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: had a unique situation here, and this brings me to

1035
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: my third I think it's my third major lesson, major takeaway,

1036
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: which is do not ignore tracks. And this is something

1037
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: like early on my deer hunting career. I didn't give

1038
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: him much attention at all. Trail cameras are very sexy,

1039
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But the more and more

1040
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: I'd spend time in the woods in different places, the

1041
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: more I find myself falling back on tracks just like

1042
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: they're the thing. They're the thing. And I had a

1043
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: perfect situation here because the night prior it rained a bunch,

1044
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: and so I knew, okay, that big rain hit. Anything

1045
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: I see today is going to be from the last

1046
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen hours. I can I can know with

1047
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: one certainty where the deer are right now, and I'm

1048
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna walk until I find where there are significant numbers

1049
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 1: of deer. And so I pushed. I mean I went

1050
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: back into some good stuff. I went way back to

1051
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: the river, and I crossed all these different tracks, like

1052
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: two tracks, sandy areas where like you could very very

1053
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: clear clearly see if there's any deer. I watched this

1054
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: two track the whole way I biked out, and there

1055
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: was like zero deer for almost three miles, Tony, I mean,

1056
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: they were gone, gone, And so I just kept going

1057
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: and I kept pushing. I walked into stuff that like

1058
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: the last two years, I never would have touched with

1059
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: a ten foot poll because I've been so paranoid I

1060
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: was gonna spook deer, so paranoid I blow it up.

1061
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: But I just had came into this with this idea

1062
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: like you're I'm not gonna settle, Like I'm not just

1063
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna ride something because it looks good. I'm not gonna

1064
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: ride something because it should be good. I'm gonna go

1065
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: until I know there's deer and tracks. We're gonna tell

1066
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: me that story. And so I walked and walked and

1067
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: walked and worked my way past this whole island that

1068
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: last year had been loaded with deer. Nothing. This year

1069
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: worked my way aving further. Now I'm three miles back

1070
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: and I get to this next island, and this was like,

1071
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: this is the farthest point from the access points. Like

1072
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: if you came in from the way we were coming,

1073
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: you'd be about three point two miles or something. If

1074
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: you came in from the farthest other side, the far

1075
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: western side, you'd be another three point two miles to

1076
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: come from that way. So this is like as as

1077
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: deep as you can get from east to west waves

1078
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: and this last island, I'm thinking, well, this has got

1079
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: to be where they're at. There should be deer, here.

1080
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: It's really hard to get to. I don't know anyone

1081
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: crazy enough from white tail hunting perspective out here that

1082
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: would do this. And so there was a channel where

1083
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: some parts of the year there was water running through

1084
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: it off of the river, but right now it was dry.

1085
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: It was covered in rocks on the bottom, but there

1086
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: was kind of raised banks on either side. And so

1087
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: I walked the not on the island, but the main

1088
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: land side where you could see trails and stuff where

1089
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: deer head you know, dropped off the bank and got

1090
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: into the channel to cross, and you could just perfectly

1091
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: see where deer historically had gone down because there's this

1092
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: beaten down you know, kind of gullies, little trails where

1093
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: they coming off that cut off bank, and you can

1094
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: see where there's there's nothing, there's nothing. And then tracks, tracks, tracks, tracks, tracks, tracks,

1095
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: all right, my first like good fresh set of tracks.

1096
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: And based on what the wind was doing, I knew

1097
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: like with this kind of river poll with the current,

1098
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I gotta get in the west

1099
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: side of this island. So I'm gonna scout my way

1100
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: all the way down this and check and see if

1101
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: this continues to be a thing. Like, are there more

1102
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: dear crossing onto this island different spots, And once I

1103
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: get all the way to the west side, I'll have

1104
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: I'll know what's going on, and I'll be west of

1105
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: where this wind is gonna pull. And so I worked

1106
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: my way down this channel, and like, here's a crossing

1107
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: with a bunch of tracks. Here's a crossing with a

1108
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: bunch of tracks. Here's a crossing with a bunch of tracks.

1109
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I would say a bunch. I'm not saying like dozens

1110
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: of deer, but like a few deer per track per crossing,

1111
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: a few deer per crossing, which was like monumentally more

1112
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: than anywhere else. It's a long story short. I felt

1113
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: great about this. I finally thought, all right, like I

1114
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: found the deer there in this farthest nastiest part and

1115
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: their back bedded on this like willow nasty thicket island

1116
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: right in the edge of the river set up, and

1117
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: ended up feeling like I was in the game and

1118
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna like make it happen. I had

1119
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: a little buck pop out of the island, go across.

1120
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: Another little buck popped out of the island, goes across.

1121
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: Another little buck pops out of the island goes across.

1122
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: I see a couple of dolls come out and do it.

1123
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: I actually had some elk pop out, which I was

1124
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: not expecting. Oh, and then it last light to an

1125
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: unidentified deer cross like as far away from me as

1126
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: I can see down the channel they go out. So

1127
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: that night I felt pretty good, like I saw deer,

1128
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: I saw some year and a half old Bucks, and

1129
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of dolls. That was good. That

1130
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: was like as good as it's been. I felt like

1131
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the game. I just said, Okay,

1132
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, I'm gonna get up on this mountain and

1133
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna glass down into this channel, and I'm gonna

1134
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: confirm where these deer coming in the most, and i'm

1135
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna see some bucks. Like I'm gonna dial it in

1136
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna come back in here and kill him

1137
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: that next night. So I get out there early the

1138
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: next morning, climb this mountain on the other side of

1139
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: the river, get up top their glass this thing, and

1140
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I watched this channel for four hours or whatever, and

1141
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: I just saw two doors the whole morning come back

1142
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: in there, and it just like shattered my my idea

1143
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: I was really confident this thing I found, and then

1144
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: I watched this whole area and man, like, there's just

1145
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: nothing going in there. So now it's day four, and

1146
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: again I'm thinking, you're just not in them, like they're

1147
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: just they've they've been blown out of town. And we

1148
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: were actually driving around at mid day that day and

1149
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: right across the road i'm private land where there was

1150
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: no hunting allowed. Apparently there was like twenty thirty deer,

1151
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: not thirty, maybe twenty deer feeding in an alfalfa field

1152
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: at noon, including like a couple of nice shooter bucks.

1153
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: So now I'm starting to think, man, did all the

1154
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: deer get pushed off the public onto private Like they're

1155
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: not even here anymore. So now I'm in kind of

1156
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: this this continue with this theme of pivoting and not settling.

1157
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: I decide, okay, we really got to rethink things and see,

1158
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: like what other opportunities are out there. So midday on

1159
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: day four, we went and went to like four totally

1160
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: different public land parcels like half an hour away. Like

1161
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: we explored every different unit for every different like piece

1162
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: of public in our unit, and we went and drove around,

1163
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: looked at parking areas trying to see whether the's truck tracks.

1164
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: We went and walked a bunch of stuff. We went

1165
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: and glassed a bunch of stuff, just to see like

1166
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: what's here, what's it looked like? Um, and we ended

1167
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: up hunting. We end up splitting up that night. Me,

1168
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Josh and Sam hunted three different areas that night to

1169
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: just try to find like, hey, can we find deer anywhere?

1170
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Can we just get into a place that hasn't been

1171
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: pillaged and that might have deer? And um, we didn't

1172
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: really find him any of those spots. Josh saw like

1173
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: ten tree stands and five trail cameras. I had a

1174
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: bunch of cameras and tree stands. Sam did see a

1175
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: nice buck at last light, but it busted him in

1176
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: his location, But that was the only deer he saw. Um.

1177
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: And I should also add that day earlier we had

1178
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: found like three different dead bucks on the original piece

1179
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: of public Maybe this is the day prior, But the

1180
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: picture I'm trying to paint here is like what we

1181
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: were discovering was that everywhere we'd been had been like

1182
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: raped and pillaged. I've I think it'd be conservative to

1183
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: say we we saw at least thirty or more tree stands.

1184
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: At least twenty or more trail cameras we found the

1185
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: three dead deer. One of them had its head cut off.

1186
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: One of them was a really nice buck that looked

1187
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: like it had been hit in the guts and just

1188
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: not recovered. Um, so it was not a pretty picture anywhere. Mark,

1189
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: do you think that this is a there's an outfitter

1190
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: situation going on there, or do you think this is

1191
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: just recreational hunter is just flooding the spot, you know,

1192
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: because that's a lot of tree stands. It's a good question,

1193
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: and I han't the only I guess. I don't know.

1194
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: There's two things. One like there's always a lot of

1195
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: trucks of these different trail heads. It's different like access points,

1196
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: which makes me thinks just like average dudes, and we've

1197
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: bumped into average dudes and talked to average dudes. This

1198
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: is like it's too close to a population center, and

1199
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: I should preface this, like you and I have talked

1200
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: about this a little bit. But I've been trying to

1201
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: make this work, this place work because it's close to

1202
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: my cabin out there, and I've wanted, like to have

1203
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: a cool white tail spot near my Idaho cabin and

1204
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: so like I forced the issue even though it's relatively

1205
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: close to a pretty decent population center, and and I

1206
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: kept hoping, like, oh, you can find a way to

1207
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: make it work. And we're seeing deer, so like you

1208
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of could make it work sort of, But what

1209
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm seeing is that it's it's maybe just not the

1210
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: juice isn't worth the squeeze, because you know, there's just

1211
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: so many people. And I will say that when I've

1212
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: done my when I did my summer scouting this year,

1213
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: and when I did more scouting last summer, I guess

1214
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: it would have been when I pushed into like some

1215
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: of this, like three miles back in stuff, I found

1216
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of double sets, So someone was in there

1217
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: with two tree stands per tree, Which makes me think

1218
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: that someone was going in there and filming hunts, right,

1219
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, why else would you have Like I probably

1220
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: found like six seven maybe more tree stands that were

1221
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: set up as double's, Like why else would you do that?

1222
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Um So, I don't know what the deal is, but

1223
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: it was it was pounded and um to to make

1224
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: what's becoming a long story, I guess a little bit shorter.

1225
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: Day five is pretty uneventful. We end up hunting in

1226
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: the morning and some new spots. We end up hunting

1227
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: in the evening. On the west side access point, which

1228
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: we hadn't hunted yet, but there've been cars in that.

1229
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: They've been cars in that parking lot, so we've been

1230
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: avoiding it, but they've been gone the last two or

1231
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: three days and we hadn't been able to find anything

1232
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 1: on our side. So I said, all right, well, let's

1233
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: let's give that a shot. I'd scouted some sweet looking

1234
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: locations over there. Maybe these guys are just hunting close

1235
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: up towards the food sources. And if I go deep

1236
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: into the riverbed stuff again and get back on these islands,

1237
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe they're pushed back in there. UM went deep on that.

1238
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: One thing I felt good about this trip was like

1239
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: I and this is like one of those lessons or

1240
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: one of those like takeaways for me, It is like,

1241
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: just don't settle for good enough, don't settle for and

1242
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: it looks like it should be good. I decided this year,

1243
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: like I'm not just gonna ride something that should be good.

1244
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna confirm that it is good. So I'm gonna

1245
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: go until I see that concentration of sign, whether it

1246
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: be you know, you know, if it was a rout

1247
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: hunted be rutting signer. Right now, I'm looking for the

1248
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: fresh tracks or fresh droppings or something. So I kept

1249
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: pushing and went deeper than I've ever been on that

1250
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: side and got into a location it looked money. It

1251
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: was like there was a crossing of the main river,

1252
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: and then there was like a flooded ditch that converged

1253
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: with that, that had a crossing over that, and I

1254
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: could see back into two of these different willow covered islands, um,

1255
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: and they all came together right there, and I thought, gosh,

1256
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something that's gonna come through here, and

1257
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: all I saw was a dough and a moose. Um.

1258
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: So this brings us all to the last evening, which

1259
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: is the last kind of interesting thing that happened. So

1260
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: everything I just told you is now in the rearver mirror.

1261
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: We had our plan a's and Plan b's, and those

1262
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: ended up, you know, being devoid of deer. So then

1263
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 1: I kept pushing and exploring new places, and I really

1264
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: didn't find anything except for that one island, that three

1265
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: point two miles in island where I had the fresh

1266
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: tracks going in there, but you know, and I didn't

1267
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: see anything but the does and the year and a

1268
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: half old. And when I glassed at the next morning,

1269
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: I just saw few does. So I kind of, you know,

1270
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: lost the confidence in that. And then we went and

1271
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: we hammered. We kind of did like a like a

1272
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: shotgun approach, and tried to look at all these different

1273
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: parcels around there to try to see if there's maybe

1274
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: been a hidden gem that nobody else is hitting, but

1275
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: all the signs pointed to it just being pillaged across

1276
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: the board. So now we're to our last night, and

1277
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: I look at like everything I have available to me

1278
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: and everything I've learned, and I tried to think back,

1279
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: like is there any place that is there any rock

1280
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: I've left unturned? Is there anything that seems worth my

1281
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: time again? And the only thing I could come back

1282
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: to was that island, that three point two miles in

1283
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: their island where I found the fresh tracks going in

1284
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: and we're I saw less than I expected, but I

1285
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: still did see like that was the best movement I saw. Yeah,

1286
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: So I decided, like, all right, I'm gonna give that

1287
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: one more try. A little bit of me thought like

1288
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: that just seems like it could work if if the

1289
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: deer haven't been completely pushed off. The sign you saw

1290
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: indicates that it should be decent, even though you didn't

1291
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: see a good buck like you were hoping and thought

1292
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: you would. And I get in there, I find a

1293
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 1: good spot to set up along the crossings. They're based

1294
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: on what the wind was doing. And last three minutes

1295
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: of daylight, three or four or five minutes of daylight,

1296
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: a buck steps out into the channel about a hundred

1297
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: yards down from me, and then a second one and

1298
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: they're both nice mature bucks step out in this channel,

1299
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: make a scrape, like both of them. Like one makes

1300
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: a scrape, one the next one walks up, makes a scrape,

1301
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: and then they spar and then it's dark and they

1302
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: I see them like in fading light. I see them

1303
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: turn and they don't cross the channel. They go right

1304
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: back into the island. They didn't even leave this island

1305
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: before dark, and that was the end of the hunt.

1306
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: Way to leave the next morning. So my take away

1307
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: from that, I had two thoughts coming out of that

1308
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: experience that night. One part of me said, one part

1309
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: of me countered that as a win, like a small win,

1310
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: because I had done I had thoroughly explored and tested

1311
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: and tried and examined all my options, and finally the

1312
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: last night I found a shooter Buck. I found mature

1313
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: bucks in this place that just been pillaged. I finally

1314
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: found him kind of confirmed, you know, that I was

1315
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: on the right track, and if I had more time,

1316
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe I could have made a move now that I

1317
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: saw him, and maybe would have had a chance. So

1318
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: a part of me said, hey, cool, you you worked

1319
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: hard and you kind of found him. The other side

1320
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: of me said, was I too fast to judge, to

1321
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: make a judgment on that spot. So I talked earlier

1322
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: about some of my takeaways and lessons were, don't settle,

1323
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: pivot fast, you know, exploring the move on. But in

1324
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: this case, I checked it out and I made a

1325
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: judgment on it after a night in the morning, and

1326
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: then I moved on, when in fact, there were two

1327
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: mature Bucks there that I didn't know, and now I,

1328
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, had skipped the last three days there, that

1329
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: I could have spent their fine tuning and maybe seeing

1330
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: them and making a move on them, and instead I

1331
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: was elsewhere. And now when I finally do see him,

1332
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: it's too late. So that's that's how the hunt ended.

1333
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: Those were like the things I was thinking about, the

1334
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: lessons I learned, or the questions I had, um, what

1335
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: what's your analysis of that last day question? And anything

1336
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: else that talked about. Man, I think you got you

1337
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: got sucked into the conundrum of do I do I

1338
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: put my resources into finding a really good spot or

1339
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: do I put my resources into figuring a spot so

1340
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: I can figuring out a specific spot so I can

1341
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: hunt it really well. And it's tough, man, I mean,

1342
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to overcome that level of pressure.

1343
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: But when you keep pushing it like that and you

1344
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: find those bucks on that island and you see that behavior,

1345
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, they didn't leave, Like there's there's still

1346
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: dear there to work with, but you've got to figure

1347
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: out how to how to beat him at that new

1348
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: game and they're not giving you much and so it's like,

1349
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I consider that a pretty big win. Honestly,

1350
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: like to see those deer and at least get to

1351
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: that point with them, because you know, I mean, if

1352
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: you if you go check out these other spots there

1353
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: and you guys kind of divide and conquer and you

1354
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: go this is this is the same story everywhere else.

1355
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Then it's time to go back and just figure out

1356
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: what you're missing. And I think I think the not

1357
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: settling approach to that is really really important because it

1358
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: did put you in a position to find those deer,

1359
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: even though you didn't kill them. Like I think, I

1360
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: think that's a good lesson there. I think it just

1361
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: really sucks to learn. Yeah, yeah it was. It was

1362
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: a doozy and I learned. Like you said, like, I mean,

1363
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: there's there, there's that whole not settling thing. The thing

1364
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a firm sense of yet is like

1365
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: there's this fine line right as you describe there, Like

1366
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: there's the don't settle, but then there's also like sometimes

1367
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: though you don't want to be too fast to judge,

1368
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: and like how do you like, how much time do

1369
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: you give a spot? How much you know, how do

1370
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: you make that decision? I think that just comes down

1371
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: to the experience and gut feel and how much time

1372
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: you have in general. Right Like in my case, I

1373
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: had six days. I just didn't have much time to

1374
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: work with. I think if I had a season to

1375
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: work this area, I would have been much more patient

1376
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: and willing to give a spot time right, but in

1377
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: this case is like I gotta I gotta get eyes

1378
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: on something, or like I need some kind of confirming

1379
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: sign that I'm in the right zone so then I

1380
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: can start fine tuning. But until I have something that

1381
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: confirms them in the right zone at least, this is

1382
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: my theory. My theory was like, I'm not going to

1383
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: dedicate real time to a spot until I know I'm

1384
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: in the zone. And I just wasn't seeing anything that

1385
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: made me think like this was a this was a

1386
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: spot except for that island. That spot. That island was

1387
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: the one where like I thought, gosh, it should be

1388
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: but I got I got deflated by that morning where

1389
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: I thought like I would see something really great coming in,

1390
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: I'd see a bunch of deer, I would see what

1391
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: should have been there, what the sign told me should

1392
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: be there, And there's just a couple of dolls. And

1393
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: that made me think, yah, more the same and maybe

1394
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe I should maybe that was

1395
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: a mistake, or maybe hey, that just was the luck

1396
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: of the draw. And they didn't. They didn't come through

1397
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: that that morning, and they did the next night, and

1398
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's just hunting. Sometimes they do things

1399
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: and they don't repeat them. Sometimes they do something wonky

1400
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: one day and they do something differently next And no

1401
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: matter what you do, you wouldn't know um on a

1402
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: short hunt like that, So it was it was an

1403
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: interesting challenge. I did feel decent about that kind of

1404
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: small wind there at the end. I was happy with

1405
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: the way that I kind of pushed through places and

1406
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: explored things, was more aggressive in my scouting, and I

1407
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: really think tracks were big thing that I used all

1408
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: of these hunts that you know, I've used more and

1409
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: more every year, and I think last year, you know,

1410
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: on the Deer Country tour, when I went to all

1411
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: these different places, like very different styles, very different regions,

1412
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have trail camera information, I didn't have like history,

1413
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: it was all brand new. I kept on finding myself

1414
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: falling back on tracks more and more when you're in

1415
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: those types of situations and getting more comfortable with interpreting.

1416
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, even though I didn't

1417
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: kill I think like that was like a really clutch

1418
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: part of my small wind um. I think I think

1419
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest benefits of doing on It's

1420
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: like this is you realize what your crutches are at home,

1421
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: and you know you I've talked about this a lot.

1422
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: When you go on the road and you've got four

1423
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: or five, six days to kill one on public land,

1424
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: those trail cameras aren't doing you any good. Like, it's

1425
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: just it's not to me, it's not worth even bringing

1426
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: them along because when you can go out and find

1427
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: fresh sign rubs and scrapes and you can see those tracks,

1428
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: especially if you're on a riverbo the situation, that's the

1429
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: best you can do because you can you can gauge

1430
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: how current it is and and how heavy the traffic

1431
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: is so important and you're just not gonna get that.

1432
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: You don't have enough time to make a trail camera

1433
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: work for you that way. Yeah, yeah, that's Um, it's

1434
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: an easy trap to get sucked into these days of

1435
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: how prevalent cameras are and how short term satisfying cell

1436
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: cameras are. Right, Um, but I'm finding more and more

1437
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: the same thing that, um, they can they're almost like

1438
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: golden handcuffs, Like they seem so great that you don't

1439
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: want to leave him behind. But if you get too

1440
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: dependent on them, you can get stuck in a marriage

1441
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in. Yeah, so let me

1442
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: let me ask you the question that everybody really wants

1443
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: to know the answer to. Mark. Uh, how come you're

1444
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: going out to Idaho in mid September and you're not

1445
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: hunting elk? You're going back to the same pressured public

1446
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: land for white tails when you could be out there

1447
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: hunting elk. What's going on there? Yeah? Man, me and

1448
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: Josh when we were driving home, we said, we asked

1449
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: ourselves the same questions. We're like, all right, this is stupid.

1450
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: We've been. We've been just like I said, we're trying

1451
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: to make this spot work for white tails because I

1452
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: want to be at my cabin and get my money's

1453
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: worth out of those mortgage payments. And uh, the thing

1454
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: is that we've got running elk two yards away from

1455
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: the cabin. Like what am I doing? Um? So, yeah,

1456
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: one of two things is gonna happen next year. I'll

1457
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: tell you one. We're done with this spot for white tails,

1458
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: like I've done. I've given it three years. Every year

1459
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: after the hunt, we're like, probably shouldn't do that again,

1460
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: and then we get sucked into it. Um we're done. Uh.

1461
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do one of two options. Either Number one,

1462
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: I could try to get some private permission in some

1463
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: of these places, Like I still I still love being

1464
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: out there in my place. I still want to have

1465
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: a white tail spot, So I might explore some private options,

1466
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: knock on some doors, talk to some ranchers, that kind

1467
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: of thing. That's a possibility. Or number two, I'm gonna

1468
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: say forget the white tails. I can hunt those other places.

1469
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finally get back to elk hunting and uh

1470
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: scratch that it so tb D my friend. Yeah, I

1471
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: want everybody to remember that you said you're done with

1472
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: Idaho white tails in that spot, because I'm curious what

1473
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: happens next summer when we're bearing down on this season.

1474
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: But my my vote would be to say, you know what,

1475
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: those white tails, the other guys with seven thousand stands

1476
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: in there can have them. I would go chase those

1477
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: googling bowls for a couple of days. Yeah, man, I'm

1478
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm over it, And I do think you know, in

1479
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: all seriousness, there is like a lesson there that should

1480
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: be just like keyed in on again, Like you can

1481
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: sometimes do almost everything right and do all the things

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do on a public land hunt, and

1483
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: sometimes you know that that pressure is just maybe not

1484
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: one insurmountable because you know, maybe you could, but is

1485
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: it still fun or or could you just explore some

1486
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: new areas and find some places it's a little bit

1487
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: less pounded, or explore some different opportunities. Um, I don't know,

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: there's a there's something to be said for I just

1489
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: not dealing with that bullshit. I guess I'm adress say well,

1490
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly think that, you know, when you

1491
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: talk about that, I'm sitting here and I'm like, I'm

1492
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: thinking about hunts myself. I've had that are just like that,

1493
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: and it happens a lot, and it's probably a pretty

1494
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: good thing to talk about in the industry because we've

1495
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: been just painting this picture that you know, go on

1496
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: public land white Tales, it's gonna be a blast. You'll

1497
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 1: challenge yourself, you'll kill the best trophy of your life.

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: But so often when you go, this is more of

1499
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: the outcome where you're like, man, there's way more people

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: here and wayfeer dear, and this is a real heavy

1501
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: lift to get around any decent buck, And you know

1502
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: you don't see that part in a YouTube video or

1503
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: an Instagram post for the most part, Like it's hard

1504
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: to kind of like wrap your head around what that

1505
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of hunt really entails until you're in it, and

1506
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: it's a vastly different thing, and it's real common. It's

1507
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: and like we said earlier, it's really common now that

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: this is so popular and people are really you know,

1509
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: turned onto the early season hunts and some of these

1510
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: destination hunts like this is this is not like an

1511
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: unusual outcome or experience, and people should be aware of that. Yeah. Yeah,

1512
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, like there's to your point about how

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01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: popular some of the stuff has gotten. And I've heard

1514
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: you talk about this in the past two Like right,

1515
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: there's some media these days that show public Land like

1516
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: incredible success on public Land all over the place, and

1517
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: it makes you think like it's a piece of cake almost,

1518
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: But what you forget is that there's like ninety days

1519
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: of time being invested and there's like ten guys out

1520
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: there all scouting and hunting and doing all this stuff,

1521
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: and they still just have like a handful of winds

1522
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: along the way. Um, you shouldn't beat yourself up if

1523
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: you go out there's a solo person and try to

1524
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,959
Speaker 1: pull it off in six or seven days and instead

1525
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 1: have a a tough, a tough week. Um. And I

1526
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: don't want to paint any of this is like complaining

1527
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: about people being out there right, because I'm like, personally

1528
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: it makes things hard. But at the same time, like,

1529
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad there's other folks that are getting hunting like

1530
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: this is this is not an indictment of folks getting

1531
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: out there and learning to hunt. Like I'm glad there's

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: folks learning hunt. I'm glad people are out there enjoying

1533
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: our public lands. Um. All the things are are good things,

1534
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: but on an individual basis, it does make for challenges

1535
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: sometimes and you just gotta learn how to work around it. Yeah, well,

1536
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't know about you, but when

1537
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: I deal with something like that, and the thing that

1538
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: just like constantly, like that little voice in my head

1539
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: always tells me like somebody is figuring it out, you know,

1540
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: like somebody's in there getting that right, and you're not.

1541
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: And that drives me crazy. Oh. I was almost that

1542
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: somebody to those other thirty seven guys out there, and

1543
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: you said one more day, tony, Yeah, one more day,

1544
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: one more day, and would have been another ship show probably,

1545
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take my small win. I'm gonna run

1546
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: with it. I'm gonna say that the season got off

1547
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: to an interesting start. Learn some stuff, and uh I'm

1548
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: ready for Michigan open. Nice, nice, alright, buddy, I think

1549
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: that should be a rap today. Um any other final thoughts? No,

1550
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: just get out there and hunt hot weather, cold weather,

1551
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: Be careful of your shots in the rain. Don't go

1552
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: hana ida ha white tales. That's the takeaway, right, that's

1553
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: the big one, and flashing lights on the billboard. All right, man,

1554
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Thanks all right, and that's a rap.

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01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Just a reminder, Season eleven

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1559
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1560
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Speaker 1: in a job, folks. Thanks a lot, and until next time,

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