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Speaker 1: If you're at a place that you don't want to be,

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Speaker 1: you can always change that. And that's the beauty of life.

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Speaker 2: What's going on everyone, Emily Abadi Here, You are listening

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Speaker 2: to episode three hundred and five of Hurdle, a wellness

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Speaker 2: focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything

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Speaker 2: from their highest hies and toughest moments to essential tips

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Speaker 2: on how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life.

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Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My

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Speaker 2: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better

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Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can

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Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and of course have

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Speaker 2: some fun along the way. For today's conversation, and I

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Speaker 2: could not be more elated to be able to sit

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Speaker 2: down with the one and only Sasha de Julian. She

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Speaker 2: is a professional climber, and her documentary premieers tomorrow on HBO.

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Speaker 2: The movie called Here to Climb, capturing gosh the last

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Speaker 2: four plus years of Sasha's story, but really encapsulating thirty

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Speaker 2: career which has been nothing short of Stellar thus Far.

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Speaker 2: I had the privilege of hosting the world premiere of

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Speaker 2: an honor for me to sit down with her in

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Speaker 2: my own studio in Brooklyn this week. In today's episode,

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Speaker 2: Sasha and I talk a lot about goal setting and

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Speaker 2: navigates what happens when she has to pivot. Of course,

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Speaker 2: But it's how you deal with the pivot that makes

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Speaker 2: Sasha and I are talking about today. She also shares

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Speaker 2: called Here to Climb, an HBO sports documentary put together

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely phenomenal, inspiring, motivating. Her story is one

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Speaker 2: of resilience and determination. I can guarantee it is worth

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Speaker 2: the watch. Make sure you're following along with Hurdle over

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Speaker 2: on social It's at Hurdle Podcast. I myself am over

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Speaker 2: at Emily a body to the hurdlers that came out

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Speaker 2: IRL this week in New York. It was so stellar

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Speaker 2: the ground. I look forward to hosting many more events

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 4: How we doing We're doing great. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the emotions that come

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Speaker 4: World as it moves fast. But when I was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had hip displasia, which is congenital, and it

442
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: became worse and worse over the grind of twenty plus

443
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: years of climbing, and I had really bad chronic hit

444
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: pain for about three years preceding when I actually went

445
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: in and had surgery.

446
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: I got to.

447
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: The point where my femur head was essentially popping out

448
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: of the socket on both sides, and I had incredible

449
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: weakness and instability in my hips to the point that

450
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't really approach the climbs that I needed to

451
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: hyke to get to, and my lower body was failing me.

452
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: And I didn't know why until I went in to

453
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: get a courterzone shot because I was going on a

454
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: trip and I was like, you know, I have this

455
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: massive goal that's climbing oriented in Mexico, which the film

456
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: centers around in the second half, and I need to

457
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: be able to stomach the pain, so this will help.

458
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: And the surgeon that I was lined up with to

459
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: get the courtzone shot from needed an memri to know

460
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: what he was working with and that's when I found

461
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: out that I was on the brink of needing total

462
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: hip replacement. And the problem is, as a professional athlete,

463
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: no female professional climber had ever undergone a double po

464
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: which is what I had. And that's essentially where both

465
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: sides of my hips are, the pelvic buns broken into

466
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: four pieces, the fever head is shaved down, there's essentially

467
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: a deeper socket that's created for my femurhead to sit into,

468
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: and then all of the shredded labram and surrounding ligaments

469
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: are knit back together. And so I went in with

470
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: the assumption of what I was told that I'd never

471
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: be able to climb to the level that I did before,

472
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: and so my whole world felt uncertain, and it was

473
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: also I was looking down the barrel of nine months

474
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: off of sport in general, and as an athlete from

475
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: a young age, movement is so ingrained into how I operate,

476
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: how I control anxiety, how I have mental clarity.

477
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: It's just such a part.

478
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Of my life that having that my identity being on

479
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: the line, but also my physical existence being so warped

480
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: and turned upside down, created this necessity to find purpose,

481
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: and this necessity to like channel some sort of light

482
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel, and that came in

483
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: the form of I'd gone to Columbia and studied nonfiction,

484
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: creative writing for undergrad and business management.

485
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: So I use that time to.

486
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Build Send Bars, which is my nutrition bar company, and

487
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: to write my book because having that sense of purpose

488
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: was a necessity in my life to get through a

489
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: really challenging hurdle.

490
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a.

491
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Going through injury for anyone is devastating because your sidelined

492
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: from the thing that brings you so much joy, going

493
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: through injury as a professional athlete, and not knowing if

494
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: you'll ever be able to do the thing that not

495
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: only brings you so much joy but then also has

496
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: been your profession for so long. I can't even imagine.

497
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: You know how difficult that must have been for you.

498
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: But b to then hear that you had the foresight

499
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: to say to yourself, I know what I need to

500
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: do during this time to help me mentally stay afloat.

501
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: That's so admirable and it's something that frankly, I think

502
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people are maybe without because we go

503
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: through these things that are understandably so difficult and it's

504
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: hard to think rationally. It's hard to think what can

505
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: I do with this time? Why is this happening for me?

506
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: When it feels anything but a gift? And my question then,

507
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: after summarizing, is why do you think that you had

508
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: that foresight? What do you think it is about you?

509
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: Is it a characteristic? Is it how you were raised?

510
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: What enabled you to see past what was happening right

511
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: in front of you.

512
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I think that my response was probably a human response,

513
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: and we all have it in ourselves. It comes down

514
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: to controlling the variables that we have and that we

515
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: can control. And I have to believe that there's some

516
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: sort of rhyme or reason to the universe and why

517
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: things happen.

518
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: And I really find confidence in.

519
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: Being grateful for the situations that I'm dealt because I

520
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of privilege, and I've been given this

521
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: platform and I've been given this career. So acting on

522
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the opportunities that I'm given is one side to look

523
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: at it, But then acting on the challenges that I'm

524
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: faced with as a privilege as well is just the

525
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: mindset that is what I've adapted to, because it's kind

526
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: of that fight or flight, and I just choose to fight.

527
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and again what a way to look at it.

528
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: What a perspective, right, And that's something also, just like

529
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: when you want a muscle to get stronger, you have

530
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: to give it resistance, like your will got stronger because

531
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: it was also given resistance and you chose in your

532
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: words to fight. Now, what would you say was the

533
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: most difficult part of that nine month year long recovery process.

534
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, The surgeries were actually two year span, and the

535
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: most difficult part was probably between the second and the

536
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: third and fourth surgeries because I had to do my

537
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: left side first, and I couldn't do both sides of

538
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: my hips together because I, first of all wouldn't have

539
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: been able to move at all, and I needed my

540
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: right side to support my left side. But as soon

541
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: as my left side could like take a step outside

542
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: of a wheelchair crutches, I had to go in to

543
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the second set of operations on my right side and

544
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: do it all over again. And the set of surgeries

545
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: were actually worse than I had imagined.

546
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: In the process, my.

547
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Abs were cut out, and you know, I have these

548
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: massive cuts that are happening on both sides my body

549
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: to hold and isolate the sciatic nerve to avoid paralysis

550
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: in the process. They're all ten hour open hip surgeries.

551
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: So I'm asleep, but when I wake up, I can't

552
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: even sit in ninety degrees for three months, and so

553
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: knowing what I was about to endure again going into

554
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: the right side was really mental because I had gotten.

555
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: Through this massive hurdle of the left side and.

556
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I knew I knew more of the barrel that I

557
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: was looking down, and I knew it was really grim.

558
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

559
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you navigate like a day to day

560
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: without the ninety Like, were you just constantly horizontal or

561
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: how did that go for you?

562
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: I was pretty horizontal. I was in a chase lounger

563
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: during the day and I'd have like a pillow in

564
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: my laptop. And when you're super injured, your body is

565
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: fighting really hard for you. And it gave me a

566
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: lot of appreciation for what our bodies are capable of.

567
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I come from a background in climbing and in competition climbing,

568
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: which the film really focuses in all as well of

569
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: disordered eating and a bad relationship with my body. And

570
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: when you're so broken and you see your body fight

571
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: so hard for you to knit back together, I gained

572
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: a deeper appreciation and gratitude.

573
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: For what my body was capable of. But all to say,

574
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: I was very tired through.

575
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: A lot of it because internally everything was knitting back

576
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: together and trying to like build, and so I really

577
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: focused on nutrition because that was another, you know, variable

578
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I could control doing my PTE, even though some days

579
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: it was just like wiggle my toes. So as an athlete,

580
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: going from maybe six to eight hours of training a

581
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: day to wiggling your toes three times a day, it's

582
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: a stark realization of how far down you really are

583
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: and how much work you have to put in to

584
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: get back to where you were.

585
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, understandable.

586
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: In the film, you talked about what many climber's experience,

587
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: which is this thought process that when there is less weight,

588
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: it's easier to get up the wall. As you were

589
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: down and out and you were horizontal and you were

590
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: doing your toe pt knowing that you have a history

591
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: of disordered eating, talk to me a little bit about

592
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: your headspace of navigating how it felt in your body

593
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: to go from that six to eight hours of training

594
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: today to now being completely stationary.

595
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: It was horrible at times because mentally I am very

596
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: self critical, and I still am. I don't think that

597
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: you ever just snap out of a background of body dysmorphia,

598
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: and that's actually an aspect that's always been hard for me,

599
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: and I can't deny that it's something that I put

600
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: as a focal point that I work on every day.

601
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: But where I started to look at.

602
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Nutrition and food was what can I get out of

603
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: what I'm putting into my body that's going to help

604
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: me with my recovery. And so I did work with

605
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: a nutritionists actually through Red Bulls High Performance Center, which

606
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: was amazing because I learned about all of these different

607
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: superfoods that I could incorporate into my daily smoothies and

608
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: lunch and dinner. And I was actually in a place

609
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: that was in a very controlled environment versus my normal

610
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: day to day is actually very sporadic and it's full

611
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: of uncertainty even around like am I gonna sit down

612
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: for lunch?

613
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: Because that's a rare thing for me.

614
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: So I think that it was some of the same

615
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: of just knowing what could be additive to the overall

616
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: progression of.

617
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: Where I needed to get.

618
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: But I remember distinctly there was a day and I

619
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: stepped on the scale, and I actually don't like having skals.

620
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't like them because it's just a number and

621
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: it's going to fluctuate, but it really affects me mentally.

622
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: But I stepped on.

623
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: This scale and it was like a week after one

624
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: of my surgeries, and so I'm still like bloated and

625
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: retaining water and I see this number that I've never

626
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: seen before, and I'm like, this scale is obviously broken.

627
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: And I have my my now husband step on the

628
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: scale because I'm like Eric, like tell me this scale

629
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: is broken, like you step on it.

630
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: And he's like I really don't want to.

631
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: He's like between a rock and a hard place, and

632
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, you have to because like I'm

633
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: like ninety nine percent sure that the scale is broken,

634
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: but if you step on it, you can confirm this

635
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: one percent.

636
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: And then of course you know this is a poor guy.

637
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: This poor guy you put him in the first situation.

638
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 5: So like being the team blairy is just steps on

639
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: the scale and she's like, I don't know what you

640
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: want me to say. So my reality is said like

641
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: I'm not in shape, duh, Like I've just gone through

642
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 5: these massive surgeries. I don't know what sort of like

643
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: situation I created for myself in my mind, but accepting

644
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: the reality of where I was at was also important

645
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: and being okay with it, Like you can't always be

646
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 5: at your one hundred percent fittest shape, and I'm not

647
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 5: on a regular basis either, Like there's times where you

648
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 5: perform and there's times that you don't perform.

649
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: And being okay with who.

650
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: You are outside of the physical is something that I

651
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: actually got to work on during this time of being

652
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: down and out, as Taylor Swift would say, down bad.

653
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: But it also was a nugget that I continue to

654
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: work on.

655
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so interesting because in that moment

656
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: stepping on the scale was you confirming what you already knew.

657
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: And as an annoying as that can be, that in

658
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: this case and number is the thing that gives us

659
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: this clarity. What I've come to learn is that you

660
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: never regret having clarity. That doesn't mean that getting clarity

661
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: is easy or learning something that again isn't how you'd

662
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: hoped it could be would be easy, or that it's

663
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: not frustrating or doesn't make you angry. If you have

664
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: a hard conversation with someone that you're seeing and they're like,

665
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to date you anymore.

666
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 3: That's going to be sad, that's going to be heart wrenching.

667
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: But what it does provide for you is clarity because

668
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: that redirection then puts you in the direction that you

669
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: need to go. And so I can really sympathize and

670
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: understand with the difficulties that go hand in hand with

671
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: staring down at a number and being greeted with a

672
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: fate and being in a situation that you don't want

673
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: to be in, but then knowing and having the wisdom

674
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: and the foresight.

675
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: To say, Okay, this is how it is now.

676
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: This does not define me, but it does empower me

677
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: to figure out what I want.

678
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: To do next.

679
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: If you're at a place that you don't want to be,

680
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: you can always change that.

681
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 4: And that's the beauty of life. It's not stagnant.

682
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: And it's an important reminder for myself every day you

683
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: can be happy but also want to make changes.

684
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: M hm.

685
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I totally agree with that, and I think that

686
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: it is human nature to like want to linger in

687
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: situations that make you feel happy, but that doesn't always

688
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: mean that there's not more to do. Right, and this

689
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: circles back to our conversation of enjoying the journey, because

690
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: you can be happy along your journey and you can

691
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: be like, I don't really need to go after this

692
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: like goal that I had originally set. But that's up

693
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: to you to then really dig into the why, right,

694
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: Because if you were, why is that you learned along

695
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: your journey that like, maybe point B is better than

696
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: point A, then good for you stick with point B.

697
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you're not any less because you decided

698
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: that something serves you more than something else could. Right,

699
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: It's just up to you to articulate and be intuitive

700
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: and then as we talked about, digest what's happening as

701
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: you go to then make those decisions for yourself.

702
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

703
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we don't know until we put ourselves out there

704
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: and continue to find out. And that's also always changing,

705
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: like what we want what I want today could change tomorrow.

706
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: But goals have always been this guiding direction for me,

707
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: and that's what I've gotten out of climbing, but also

708
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: now gotten out of other aspects of my life too,

709
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: And that's where I think that that rounded out the

710
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: full me perspective is so important for me to really

711
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: dive deeper into is whether it's professional or business or

712
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: physically oriented to my climbing goals. Goals have given me

713
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: a sense of purpose and a sense of how I

714
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: show up and.

715
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 4: My bandwidth and my boundaries.

716
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: But also you get these unparalleled senses of joy and

717
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: satisfaction when you achieve a goal, and then you also

718
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: get these gut wrenching feelings of disappointment that are human

719
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: too when you don't necessarily land on that goal.

720
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for you right now, you mentioned the excitement

721
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: that you have around a goal set in Yosemite, But

722
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: beyond that bigger picture, what else excites you right now?

723
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: Right now?

724
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: It's been really exciting to build my company, and a

725
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: lot of it came from a lot of the lessons

726
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: that I learned along the way and my surgeries.

727
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: But I always made my own bars.

728
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything on the market that I wanted

729
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: to eat because everything that was healthy for you in

730
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: the nutrition bar category tastes like paint, and any that

731
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: tastes remotely good was full of chemicals and preservatives and sugars.

732
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm on this mission to create clean, healthy

733
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: food that's well sourced and tastes great, and that's really

734
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: the incubation period of what Send bars is and why

735
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I launched it.

736
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: I had the privilege of meeting both of your female

737
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: co founders at the premiere in Denver. Talk to me

738
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: a little bit about what it's like to work with friends,

739
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: because I think that for some it can be very

740
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: helpful and very successful, but for others it could be

741
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: really challenging. And you know there are certain situations that

742
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: it can be both. But talk to me a little

743
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: bit about what your experience has been.

744
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: My experience in building Send and the team that we

745
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: have actually came from the successes and failures of me

746
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: putting together expedition teams. And I had this really awesome

747
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: experience that paralleled one of the expeditions that I led

748
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: called Ryu, which I did in picast Europa and Europe,

749
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: and that was with Matilda Studreland and Brett Harrington and

750
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: we set out to climb the hardest big wall achieved

751
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: by woman. And when I relate that experience to building

752
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: Send and going on this massive mission, so to speak,

753
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: with a set of friends as well in this pursuit

754
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: that has a different set of consequences, I think that

755
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: communication is number one, Like there needs to be clear

756
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: and candid communication.

757
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: Setting out and being candid with goals.

758
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Is really important, whether it's in an expedition space or

759
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: in a business space. Being on the same page and

760
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: being okay when you're on a different page, but arriving

761
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: to why you're on different pages and carrying each other

762
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: out is something that I didn't do necessarily well in Satome,

763
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and I did well in Ryu on that expedition, and

764
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: then I feel confident in sendbars and of course like

765
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: we're always going to be pivoting and learning as things

766
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: invariably are going to change. But also I think that

767
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the aspect of setting goals, having that blinder so to speak,

768
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: in the direction of arriving there, but also being malleable

769
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: and open to how things may change is important too.

770
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Chelsea, one of my co founders, has

771
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: always been one of my best friends, and going into

772
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: forming the company, I knew that she was an incredible

773
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: aspect of the company, as as Arianne. But something that

774
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: we confronted head on at the beginning was how can

775
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: we not let our friendship be affected by this. That's impossible,

776
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: but you can also set boundaries and you can also

777
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: dictate the direction of which you are treating each other

778
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: at work so that there are never broken bridges, so

779
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: to speak when it comes to the personal side.

780
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I feel like easier said than done, right,

781
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: especially it's human nature to feel, and there are going

782
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: to be moments that make you feel some kind of way,

783
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: and it's hard not to let those moments infiltrate the

784
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: friendships or infiltrate the business. And so all you can do, then,

785
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: knowing that to be true, is take it all as

786
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: information and try to evolve as time goes on, because

787
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure at the beginning perhaps there were moments where

788
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: maybe those boundaries were a little less clear versus now

789
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: being a certain amount of time in it feels different.

790
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and things are always changing.

791
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that, you know, there's that saying

792
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: that there's a few constants in life, and that's you know,

793
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: change is one of them.

794
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Change is a constant, and it's how you decide

795
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: to deal with change, just like we were talking about

796
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: pivoting on your expeditions and pivoting in life, how you

797
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: deal with change as it comes to you.

798
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: It helps you.

799
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: Move forward, absolutely speaking, and moving forward. This episode coming

800
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: out the day before the launch of your film on Max.

801
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: Where will you be on the eighteen?

802
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: I will be in La.

803
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

804
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: I had another screening, okay, and I'm really excited about

805
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: it because I'm actually going to bring Moose Chaga my

806
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: bernadoodle out to it.

807
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the bernadoodle needs to be at another screening.

808
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: How could he not. Moose is a boy.

809
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: Moose is a boy.

810
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: You never know.

811
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend who has a dog named King,

812
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: which is a girl. So I'm just saying.

813
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 4: I like that.

814
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I know, it's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Well, obviously your

815
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: bernadodle needs to be at the screening. Well, we'll see

816
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: if he's allowed inside. How big he is Moose, he's

817
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: ninety five pounds.

818
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: I was flying with Moose.

819
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I have to buy them a seat.

820
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: But it's like select airlines, like I can fly JSX

821
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: from Boulder to LA which is very pet friendly.

822
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: Oh buddy, Oh my god. Well that's so exciting.

823
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: And then beyond that, as you said, your other excitement

824
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: really revolves around building the company. Right now, you have

825
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: this expedition. Is there some sort of a timeline on

826
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: the Yosemite.

827
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: It's a great question. And a question I'd love to answer.

828
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: I think that on the side of goals, I have

829
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot of goals in climbing, and I have a

830
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: lot of smart goals, which are as you beautifully outline,

831
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: just like those smaller, closer to attainable goals that will

832
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: will percolate through the summer and the fall. In my

833
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: winter and challenges excite me and finding out new things

834
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: that I may.

835
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: Be capable of excites me.

836
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: But for Yosemite, I'm in that figuring it out stage. Yeah,

837
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: And I'll be there for a good portion of the

838
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: fall figuring it out.

839
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

840
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that fun to have, like the liberty to be like,

841
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna do this fall. I'm just

842
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: gonna figure some stuff out in Yosemite.

843
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: I think that we don't give enough stock to being

844
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: in phases of figuring it out enough because I certainly

845
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: don't have it all figured out. Yeah, And I don't

846
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: know too many people who are, like, you know, I'm

847
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: at a point in my life where I've got it

848
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: all figured out. Because as soon as you say that, like,

849
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: something invariably is going to change, and something that I

850
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: think that the movie as well does a good job

851
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: of is showing the fragility of life. And I've lost

852
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: several very impactful people that I love in my life

853
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: life suddenly, including my dad. And when I lost him,

854
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: I also gained a lot of light and a lot

855
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: of appreciation for the day to day because as much

856
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: as we're trying to be in that moment of figured

857
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: it all out, there's always an uncertainty and a fragility

858
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: to whether tomorrow is certain.

859
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for sharing that, And I again, you have

860
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: to put a stress on here that there's just so

861
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: much power in the perspective, right, Like, I'm sure at

862
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: first it didn't feel that light, It didn't feel like

863
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: an opportunity. It felt like, oh, why is this happening?

864
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Why is it happening to me? How am I supposed

865
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: to move on? All of those understandable and natural human

866
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: feelings and emotions. But now as you look at these

867
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: difficult losses that you've had in your life, including the

868
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: loss of your father, to be able to reflect and

869
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 2: look at it with a certain lens, with a different perspective,

870
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: that's a choice, and it's not an easy choice to

871
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: make all the time, but it's a choice that you've

872
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: decided to make.

873
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hindsight's always going to be well, I can't

874
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: even say hindsight twenty twenty because there's chapters in life

875
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: that are going to be really, really difficult, and that

876
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: continues to be a difficult chapter for me. I don't

877
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: think that you lose someone and you look at it

878
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: as this positive thing, and I probably frame that wrong,

879
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: you know. I just know that I can't bring people

880
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: that I've lost back, and so I have to find

881
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Speaker 1: the positive in difficult situations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that, and it's really beautiful to have

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Speaker 2: that perspective. As we wind down here the film Obvious,

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Speaker 2: four plus years in the making, thirty plus years of

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Speaker 2: archival footage, when you think about the next chapter of

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Speaker 2: your life, if you were again in thirty years to

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Speaker 2: take a holistic look at what's been going on, what

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Speaker 2: do you think the next chapter is really going to

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Speaker 2: be about?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 1: I think the next chapter is going to be about

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Speaker 1: taking what I've learned from this first chapter and really

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Speaker 1: being able to translate them into an elevated new way

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Speaker 1: of thinking, interacting, and executing.

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Speaker 4: That's my hope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the beauty of you know,

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Speaker 1: getting older, having new things marry together with old things

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Speaker 1: is that it leads to this space of creativity, and

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Speaker 1: it's a challenging question to answer. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I'll be doing in ten years, and I'm.

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Speaker 4: Okay with that.

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Speaker 1: But what I do, what I do find appreciation in it.

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Speaker 1: And what's given me a lot of strength as I

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Speaker 1: share this very vulnerable perspective into my life is the

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Speaker 1: confidence that I have with the people that I surround

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Speaker 1: myself with, because that's what has so much meaning to

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Speaker 1: me and love and support and that cushion to fall on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love in the film when your husband says,

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Speaker 2: like she's very aware of the fact that, like, you

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Speaker 2: only get to do this, at least competitively for so long,

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Speaker 2: Yet instead of looking at that as a limiting factor,

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, so then what's the next challenge?

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Speaker 3: Like what's next for me?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's like a really admirable and exciting

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Speaker 2: perspective to have.

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Speaker 1: Climbing's been a big, big part of this first chapter,

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Speaker 1: and I would say that climbing will always be a

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Speaker 1: very big part of my identity, but I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: build out and continue to build out what that identity looks.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, I'm so happy that I've been able to

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Speaker 2: be a part of this chapter of the story for you.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to keep following along and obviously so amped

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Speaker 2: to watch Here to Climb when it premiers on Max

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Speaker 2: on the eighteenth. For those that don't follow along with

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Speaker 2: you just yet, remind us how do they do so?

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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you? Give us the details? Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: My social is pretty pretty straightforward. It's just my name

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Speaker 2: at Sasha dy.

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Speaker 1: Julian and then our bar company is at send Bars.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily Abodi at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.