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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow and welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: go to Giants dot com slash podcast. Today, our guest

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Speaker 1: is former Giants head coach Jim Fossil coach he got

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow. Jeff Eagles greatly appreciate the time house everything today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to talking to you guys. Yeah. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: start with the connection, Jim, and that is the fact

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Speaker 1: that not only did you have the pleasure of crossing

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Speaker 1: coaching him again in two thousand three when he joined

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Speaker 1: cross paths with Jeff Eagles? Considering over his twenty plus

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Speaker 1: year career, he crossed paths with about every single person

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Speaker 1: that ever suited up in NFL history. That's right, That's enough. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what happens to the players and coaches. You know,

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Speaker 1: we crossed paths all over the place, but not Jeff

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Speaker 1: was true professional. You know. He took his job seriously.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I was always looking for in a player.

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Speaker 1: They take their jobs seriously. This isn't Pop Warner football

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Speaker 1: or anymore. This is pro football. Well I do, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: so did you? And I tell you we had some

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Speaker 1: great times in the desert out there in Phoenix, and

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Speaker 1: of course the No. Three and um, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I tell people all the time. And I'm still here, Jim,

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Speaker 1: my seventeenth year up here because of one one one

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Speaker 1: thing that you and Ernie of course, he brought me

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how appreciative I am of that,

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Speaker 1: and um being able to still stick with the organization

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Speaker 1: lifetime friends. And I can't thank you enough for that. Really, Well,

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Speaker 1: but you know, how the hell fun it was and

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Speaker 1: it's funny because real quickly I remember, um, Jim, when

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Speaker 1: But talk a little bit about you know, free agency

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Speaker 1: agency from a head coaching perspective. Well, I think it's good.

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Speaker 1: day if you wanted to. I think it's those interviews

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Speaker 1: and those those questions that are asked to these athletes

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Speaker 1: about like you said, like what do you want to

431
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Speaker 1: do because you can see the drive and some of

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Speaker 1: these guys like, you know, if football wasn't if it's

433
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Speaker 1: when football is over, I want to be this. So

434
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Speaker 1: this that's so important today's game because the amount of

435
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Speaker 1: money these guys are making, the investment and the and

436
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Speaker 1: also the commitment that you're gonna make towards these players,

437
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Speaker 1: it makes it makes sense to have those interviews and

438
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Speaker 1: see what kind of character you can get in some

439
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Speaker 1: of these guys that you're going to draft. Oh yeah, yeah,

440
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Speaker 1: and you know everybody's got the way to do it.

441
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Speaker 1: And now all that stuff, you know, the biggest thing

442
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Speaker 1: is you have to have camaraderie with the scouts and

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Speaker 1: the coaches. And I told my coaches, we have to

444
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Speaker 1: trust the scouts, and I talked to scouts, You've gotta

445
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Speaker 1: trust us too. We're all in this thing together, all right,

446
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, but you gotta believe in each

447
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Speaker 1: other and do some things. I know. When I went there,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, George Young was got me there as an assistant. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and so this is my first rodeo U in pro football.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, George and I talked when I

451
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Speaker 1: got there and all that. He says, you know, with

452
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Speaker 1: the winds here and all that stuff, we need a

453
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Speaker 1: strong arm quarterback. That's what we got to look for.

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, all right, So I went out and

455
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Speaker 1: did my circle of colleges. And when I got there

456
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Speaker 1: the first time, uh well, when the coach was here before,

457
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Speaker 1: I think it was from the Giants, put you on

458
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Speaker 1: two knees and throw the ball and see how far

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Speaker 1: you can throw it on two knees. And it kind

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Speaker 1: of took me by by surprise. Okay, so I'm I'm going, okay,

461
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Speaker 1: I guess this is this pro football. So when I

462
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Speaker 1: got back off my trip, you know, I went into

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Speaker 1: George's office. And George is always he was great to me, unbelievably.

464
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Speaker 1: When I was in college, he was calling me and

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Speaker 1: seeing if I want to go into pro football and

466
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Speaker 1: so anyway, I went to George's offices and I said,

467
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Speaker 1: you get it? I said, yeah, it was good. But George,

468
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's the deal with getting on your

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Speaker 1: knees and throwing the football. Well, it's for arm strength.

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Speaker 1: I said, do we have any place where you dropped back,

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Speaker 1: dropped your niece and football? And he said. He looked

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Speaker 1: at me, he goes, okay, scratches his head and he goes,

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Speaker 1: how would you do it? I'd get a judge gun

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Speaker 1: like they have in baseball. Okay, I get a jugs

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Speaker 1: gun and I can They're going to get the speed

476
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Speaker 1: of the ball. That's how we tell it. And he goes,

477
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Speaker 1: you get picked up the phone. He called the head

478
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Speaker 1: of the scouting come down and says, hey, he just

479
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Speaker 1: came up with a great idea, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: explained to him and they said okay, and then we

481
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Speaker 1: got a jugs gun. And I went out and the

482
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Speaker 1: first guys was uh Party Schottenheimer and Alexanders and the

483
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and they saw me doing that. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing, I said him speeding the measuring the

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Speaker 1: speed of the ball, and to tell me how strong

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Speaker 1: the guys are arm is and they go, holy crap,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get one of those. I thought they might

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Speaker 1: have said, oh, we we have guys on their their

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Speaker 1: knees throwing a thing. Well, I thought when I got there,

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Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, the NFL is really smart. I guess

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Speaker 1: you know I I gotta drop indeed, and I went no,

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Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't throw it from these knees. He

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Speaker 1: throws with these feats and hips and everything else. So

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Speaker 1: it was kind of fun. Well with what you were

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Speaker 1: just talking about, Jim, it's interesting because you were here

496
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Speaker 1: in two as an assistant and then obviously it came

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Speaker 1: back as the head coach in n I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: much was that a luxury for you that you already

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Speaker 1: knew internally how the organization runs, to your point, how

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Speaker 1: the scouting department works, and maybe how much did things

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Speaker 1: change over the course of the five years that went

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Speaker 1: by that you went to other teams. Well, as far

503
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Speaker 1: as you're you're talking about with New York Giants, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with the New York Giants. Yeah. Well, you know I

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Speaker 1: was there with George and the George hired me as

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Speaker 1: a head coach, and he's he was the best. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was the best. I mean he could talk to

508
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Speaker 1: you and tell you what he wants to get across,

509
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Speaker 1: not making you feel like you're wrong or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But he guided me. He really really guided me. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and he listened to me. That was the biggest simmer, George.

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Speaker 1: If I wanted to see something, do something or whatever,

513
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Speaker 1: he was all about it and backing you up and

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Speaker 1: all those things. And that's what you did because the

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Speaker 1: general manager is not going to back you up on

516
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Speaker 1: things you're dead. Yeah, I mean, and listen, you know

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Speaker 1: he he was finally put in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: this year, so I'm sure that you're extremely happy about him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the longer we're all around this game,

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Speaker 1: there's people you want to thank all the time, and

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Speaker 1: George Young for you was one of them. Gave you

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Speaker 1: your shot and obviously believe in your gym, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're extremely happy for him going into the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame this year. Well, I am too, and

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Speaker 1: I got a buddy of mine in New York that

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Speaker 1: headlined and a big article on George and uh, um,

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Speaker 1: I've got it right here and I'm gonna frame it

528
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Speaker 1: and uh the man who made the Giants super and

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Speaker 1: that's right right, and uh so, I mean it was

530
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Speaker 1: a long story behind that how he got there. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, George, George was phenomenal, phenomenal, He's he's the

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Speaker 1: most guy responsible for the Giants where they were. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I sported gud for him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. So but George Young, if every

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Speaker 1: team had a George Young, uh, they would be going

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl all the time. Helped lay the

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Speaker 1: foundation and build a blueprint for what became after him,

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Speaker 1: with Ernie Corsey taking over and the Giants ultimately winning

539
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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. We're talking with former Giants head coach

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Speaker 1: Jim Fossil. Jim, before I let you go, I think

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Speaker 1: you have an interesting perspective in terms of perhaps what

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Speaker 1: transpired this past season, because unfortunately you were on the

543
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Speaker 1: rough end of an officiating issue in that two thousand

544
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: two wild card game between the Giants and the Niners.

545
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: Sean Payton was there as well. Then he goes through

546
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Speaker 1: a similar circumstance with the NFC Championship game, and then

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Speaker 1: we saw what the league did with respect to putting

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Speaker 1: in review for judgment calls. As somebody on the outside

549
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Speaker 1: looking in, what did you make of what the league

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Speaker 1: did to try to correct the wrong and really the

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Speaker 1: impact that technology is having on today's NFL overall, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think they've adjusted to some things, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's good for football. I mean, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: hard to pin everything down with everything, but I mean

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Speaker 1: you got to let the you know, the players play,

556
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Speaker 1: and the coaches coach, and the refs they do that.

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Speaker 1: It's never gonna be a perfect thing. They're gonna find

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Speaker 1: something else. And when you were talking about that they

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Speaker 1: can't make some changes if you remember the playoff game,

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Speaker 1: is that what you're talking about? Our playoff game? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well they you know that they screwed that one up.

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Speaker 1: And there was the last play of the game and uh,

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Speaker 1: there was a penalty and they said there was a

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Speaker 1: penalty on the Giants and they took off. They just

565
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: left and when they got in the locker room, they

566
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Speaker 1: had referee said, well, what did you have is that

567
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Speaker 1: I had an illegal man down field on the Giants.

568
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? He was checked ineligible, Richie an

569
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Speaker 1: eligible guy. And so then they changed the rule that

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Speaker 1: if there's a penalty on the last play of the game,

571
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Speaker 1: then all the referees are gonna huddle up. What did

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Speaker 1: you see? Did you call it? Did you call it?

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Speaker 1: You see it? No? I I called it? What did

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Speaker 1: you see? And they won't leave the field until they

575
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: have said we've got it correct. Now we leave the field.

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Speaker 1: But that I couldn't catch those guys if I could

577
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Speaker 1: run faster and all, but I couldn't catch them. You're

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Speaker 1: late for their flight. Well, I mean it was, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And Richie Soyber tells that story, you know, fondly. He

580
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: understands what happened there, and he said he was wide

581
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Speaker 1: open and he would have caught the ball for a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: that's what he would or at least for a first down. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, Richie, one of us we were on the

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Speaker 1: one yard line. I don't think you would have had

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Speaker 1: a touchdown that, yeah, because he was pretty he was

586
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty mad about it, and so you know, I

587
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Speaker 1: think that, you know, and then the year after, as

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Speaker 1: Um fortunately was able to come to the Giants after that,

589
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: so that was that what you that was correct? Then

590
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Speaker 1: then you came in oh three, and then I'm sure

591
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Speaker 1: Jim wouldn't have had to get you to understand that

592
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Speaker 1: on a third down, if you can actually down the

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Speaker 1: ball and another down, Well, that's funny because that play

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Speaker 1: was There's a lot of things going on. One the ruling,

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Speaker 1: and the second thing was that for forever, all thirty

596
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Speaker 1: two teams practice that. You know, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: kick a field goal, do it on third down. You

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00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: you and the holder could have just easily just spiked

599
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Speaker 1: the ball and you had an extra down. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much time was left in the clock, but

601
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Speaker 1: that's just one of those things you go over in

602
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Speaker 1: the special Teams meeting constantly understanding the situational football. Tom

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Speaker 1: Coffin was the best at that. He put the situations

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Speaker 1: on Fridays. There was always situations that came up in

605
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Speaker 1: games that we were aware of so that we understood it.

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Speaker 1: Whether it never came up or not, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but the fact is you knew about it just in case.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jim greatly appreciate the time and the inside.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, and look forward to

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Speaker 1: talk to you down the road. Hey, great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you guys. You guys got great questions. Appreciate that

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Speaker 1: it droves a great conversation. You made it really easy

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Speaker 1: for us and hope to speak to you down the road. Jim.

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