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Speaker 1: My brother proposed to my fiance his ex. I'm pissed.

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Speaker 1: What should I do? WHOA? This is Okop, home to

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Speaker 1: the craziest true stories on Earth. I'm Sophia and Riley.

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Speaker 2: What duel duel at don at down.

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Speaker 1: That's wild to propose to your brother's fiance current fiance.

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Speaker 2: Come on, bro, find somebody else.

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Speaker 1: There's one hundred of fish in the sea. That's it.

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Speaker 2: The ninety nine were your brother's fiance.

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Speaker 1: Come on, so equivalent ladder one hundred ninety seven, says

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Speaker 1: my twenty eight male brother, Mark twenty six male used

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Speaker 1: to date my fiance Jen twenty six female a year ago.

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Speaker 1: For context, they dated back in August twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Oh so this is recent. Oh wow, that is really recent.

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Speaker 1: So they dated in twenty twenty two, and presume we

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Speaker 1: broke up and then got together.

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Speaker 2: What's the date of the post twenty twenty three? Oh wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a year.

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Speaker 1: Year, So that you dated a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Like, that's so close that your family won't be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: who's this new girl. They'll be like, oh, I remember her,

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Speaker 2: be with your brother.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I think they're both in the wrong

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Speaker 1: based off of this initial thing. Because you shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: dating your brother's ex period. They were only together for

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Speaker 1: a month before he broke things off with her because

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Speaker 1: he was bored of being in a relationship and never

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Speaker 1: really wanted to settle down anyway. At the time they

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Speaker 1: were dating, I was in a different state, so I

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Speaker 1: had no idea he even had a girlfriend, and I

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Speaker 1: had no idea who Jen was until I met her.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, suspicious, well, like in a way if they're not close.

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Speaker 2: He probably never posted her on social media because he

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm still trying to get out there.

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Speaker 1: Jen and I met at a bar when I moved

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Speaker 1: back in October and hit it off really well. She

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Speaker 1: was easily the most beautiful and intelligent woman I ever met,

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Speaker 1: and we met up a few times more before we

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Speaker 1: made it official.

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Speaker 2: How many times do you meet up before making an official.

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Speaker 1: Tell us us, tell us how many times?

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Speaker 2: We need to know?

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Speaker 1: For no reason, but we need to know? How many times?

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Speaker 2: Yes, no reason whatsoever? But what's a good number?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a good number? What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to December and I finally bring her up

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Speaker 1: to my family and propose them meeting her at Christmas.

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Speaker 1: They knew I was in a relationship, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: the most open about my personal life, so I kept

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Speaker 1: details about her to a minimum until I knew how

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Speaker 1: serious we really were. My parents asked to see pictures

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Speaker 1: and they started passing my phone around the dinner table.

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Speaker 1: Mark saw it and blew up, calling me a bad

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Speaker 1: brother for dating his ex girlfriend, and he demanded I

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Speaker 1: break it off with her. I refused. When I asked

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Speaker 1: Jen about it, she confirmed they dated and gave me

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Speaker 1: the details about their breakup. It took a few weeks,

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Speaker 1: but eventually Mark stopped bringing up me dating his ex,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he was over it. On Jen's birthday

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Speaker 1: this year, I took her out to a fancy dinner

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Speaker 1: with both of our families and our closest friends, and

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Speaker 1: I asked her to marry me. Mark flipped out once

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Speaker 1: again and blew up blew up about me proposing to her,

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Speaker 1: which I and my sisters immediately shut down. The incident

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Speaker 1: happened this past weekend. Mark had been pretty quiet about

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Speaker 1: the whole thing for the last two months. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see him much and figured he went low contact with me,

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Speaker 1: which I had no problem with. Then he invited me

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Speaker 1: and Jen for family dinner at his apartment with my

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Speaker 1: parents and sisters. I thought it was weird, but my

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Speaker 1: parents and sisters were also going, so we agreed to go.

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Speaker 1: The dinner was nice, nothing too fancy, and we moved

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Speaker 1: to the living room to talk. About thirty minutes into

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Speaker 1: a normal conversation, Mark stood up and told us he

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Speaker 1: had an announcement. He made a long speech about being

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Speaker 1: happy to have his family around for his big moment,

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Speaker 1: then got on one knee and pulled out this cheap

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Speaker 1: ring while asking Jen to marry him. What in front

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Speaker 1: of your family?

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Speaker 2: Yikes?

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Speaker 1: In front of your brother to your brother fiance. Like

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Speaker 1: I get that they were dating, and like, normally i'd

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Speaker 1: be like, that's not like, don't date your brother's you know,

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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend. But I guess he didn't know. It's still

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Speaker 2: So it was Opie and Gen together right now? Yes,

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Speaker 2: and Mark.

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Speaker 1: Beyonce and Mark in front of everyone, just proposed her.

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Speaker 2: Does he not know?

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Speaker 1: He does? But I don't know why. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he's expecting to happen here. Jen was confused and

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Speaker 1: obviously uncomfortable, and demanded that he put it away and

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Speaker 1: stand up. My dad tried to make a grab for Mark,

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Speaker 1: but I got to him first and punched him.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I won't repeat most of it, mostly because I was

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Speaker 1: too angry to even listen most of it. But he

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Speaker 1: said something along the lines of warning to show me

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Speaker 1: that Jen wasn't really into me and just wanted to

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Speaker 1: get back at him. Before I could get worse, my

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Speaker 1: parents rushed me out and promised to talk to him.

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Speaker 1: It's been a few days since it happened, and I'm

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Speaker 1: still pissed off. I don't know what to do at

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Speaker 1: this point. I'm scared Jen might have second thoughts marrying

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Speaker 1: me because of this. Any advice, no is an edit,

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Speaker 1: There is an edit.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Jin picked the wrong guy.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I think she picked the right brother.

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Speaker 1: If Mark is pulling stuff stunts like this, if.

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Speaker 2: He's willing to do this, what else would he be

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Speaker 2: willing to do if you guys got together?

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no. But I think also what

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Speaker 1: oh he might be saying second thoughts is like, would

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Speaker 1: she want to marry into this family if this is

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Speaker 1: like the drama?

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Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But if it's just Mark, you can just go love

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Speaker 1: contact with Mark, but.

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Speaker 2: It might run the family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, run the blood. Yeah, it is causing drama.

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Speaker 2: What kind of balls do you have to be?

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Speaker 1: This is like out of the movie No. I just

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Speaker 1: just the fact that he's doing it at a dinner

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Speaker 1: that he invited them all to is like what. Literally,

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Speaker 1: it was a sad up and I love that He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got a cheap ring, cheap ring.

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Speaker 2: He always emphasizes on cheap, cheap.

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Speaker 1: There is an edit same post later that day. First,

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Speaker 1: thanks for reading and responding. I've been reading the common

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Speaker 1: between last night and this morning, and valid points were made.

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Speaker 1: There isn't an update since the only people I've spoken

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Speaker 1: to since that dinner is Jen and my little sister.

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Speaker 1: I want to clarify a few things that I saw

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Speaker 1: in the comments. Number One, Jen and I are newly engaged.

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Speaker 1: It was one of those feelings where we both knew

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Speaker 1: we were in it for the long run, as fast

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Speaker 1: as it is. I'm sure about her nice Number two.

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Speaker 1: When we met, I was the one who approached her,

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Speaker 1: not the other way around. Whether she knew or had

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Speaker 1: suspicions of us being related, I don't know. I asked

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Speaker 1: after finding out they dated, and she says she had

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Speaker 1: no idea I didn't have any reason to doubt that,

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Speaker 1: but I can't admit the seemingly overreaction on Mark's part

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Speaker 1: does raise red flags. I had no idea she and

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Speaker 1: Mark dated when I met her. What are you doing

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Speaker 1: to be real while we're recording ralely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how be reals work.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's true.

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Speaker 2: Let me know if you guys have be reals.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever be real. I had no idea she

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Speaker 1: and Mark dated when I met her. Mark and I

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Speaker 1: aren't close at all. We used to be, but as

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Speaker 1: we grew up did and talked less and less. Before

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Speaker 1: I moved back, we didn't really speak much, aside from

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Speaker 1: special days like his or my birthday. Jen knew of

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Speaker 1: my family, but not much until I decided I was

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Speaker 1: ready to introduce them to her. When she and Mark

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Speaker 1: met again, I didn't get a sense of any residual

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Speaker 1: feelings on either part. She didn't treat him like a stranger,

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Speaker 1: but she also wasn't overly affectionate with him either. Number four,

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Speaker 1: I was told this was a relationship that lasted a month.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I needed permission from Mark to ask

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Speaker 1: her to marry me, but maybe that was wrong of me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure m That being said, I planned to

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Speaker 1: talk to Mark this weekend to lay everything out on

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Speaker 1: the table and figure out what's up. I never asked

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Speaker 1: for his side of the relationship, which is my fault

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Speaker 1: for not doing my due diligence. If anything major or

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Speaker 1: enlightning happens, I'll update, but for now that's all I have,

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Speaker 1: And there is some relevant comments.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Mark and Jin's relationship was even that

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Speaker 2: much though?

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Speaker 1: If it was just two months, then it's not really anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's enough for it to be awkward

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Speaker 1: for your brother to be getting married to her. Though, okay,

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Speaker 1: like I do think it would be very awkward to

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Speaker 1: be like that was my ax from literally a year ago,

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Speaker 1: and you're marrying her mmmmm yikes. Yeah, but I guess

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Speaker 1: they don't have like a very strong relationship.

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Speaker 2: I didn't need to get permission from.

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Speaker 1: Mark though, No, no, no, no, I don't think he needed

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Speaker 1: to get permission. But obviously this would strain it. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's already strained, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: relevant comments. Don't give into the but he's a family comments. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard that he's family must much Aside from

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Speaker 1: my mom and a few aunts, they know me well

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Speaker 1: enough to know our relationship isn't enough for me to

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Speaker 1: put up with his disrespect, especially towards my fiance. They'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have to worry about her going

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Speaker 1: back safe to say she can't stand him either? Nice?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: There is a juicy update. Do you have any other

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Speaker 1: any other thoughts before we get into that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Mark is gonna do? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think Mark is going to try and like pull

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Speaker 1: some stunt and be like, oh we were we were

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Speaker 1: dating for longer and like I don't know, something like that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: try and try and make Jen look bad.

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Speaker 2: Why is he trying to get back with her like this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like he's just jealous.

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Speaker 2: I don't know jealousy.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah what No?

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Speaker 2: Does a run in my blood?

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Speaker 1: Is the perfect person?

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Speaker 2: I am very secure. Would never now that makes me

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm insecure. That was supposed to be a joke.

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Speaker 2: I might get jealous, you're digging it back. That was

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Speaker 2: such a I do get jealous, but not easily. Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: like this I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a jealous person, per se.

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Speaker 2: That's good for a reasonable cause. Yeah, if it's like

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Speaker 2: they keep talking to someone else besides me, then I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, come on me, but I don't do anything.

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Speaker 2: They giggle and laugh to another guy, like they could

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Speaker 2: go and laugh to me. I would get jealous because yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's my place. You're not supposed to make a laugh

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Speaker 2: like that. That's your comedian, and you're not talking to

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Speaker 1: Silly, silly, silly billies.

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Speaker 1: Probably just like why why are you dating your brother's ex?

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Speaker 2: Man, if you really want to be competitive. This is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've won it life exactly. Not not what

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Speaker 1: You're losing it life. I reminded him that I had

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Speaker 1: When do you really come on? I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I asked him why he proposed her if he didn't

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Speaker 1: That is so egotistical. That's so self obsessed.

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Speaker 2: I bet you ten dollars Marcus finance bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah hye, bye bye it. He and his friends thought

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Speaker 1: Dud proposed. Door proposed Door shall shall dump you shall

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Speaker 1: And he said, okay. That pretty much wrapped up the conversation.

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Speaker 1: He did tell me before he left that I could

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh he's.

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Speaker 1: A drama queen, this is too much. She's doing too much.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this man lives in a rom com he literally.

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Speaker 1: I told him he didn't have to worry about that,

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Speaker 1: as he was most likely going to be uninvited anyway. Nice, yeah,

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Speaker 2: The cheaper ring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a ring pop this time. It's been a

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Speaker 1: My parents aren't too happy about him being uninvited, but

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Speaker 1: they understand that it was a mutual decision and probably

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Speaker 1: for the best. My sisters told me that they knew

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a good reason for being an a hole,

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Speaker 1: with Mark, and I doubt he'll reach out to me

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Speaker 1: anytime soon either. Once again, I want to thank everyone

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Speaker 1: for reading and commenting, and if and if anything significant happens,

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Speaker 1: I'll update again. And there are there's one relevant comment.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't she know of your family? Hope? He says.

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Speaker 1: We hadn't discussed my family much in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: our relationships. I left home to get away from them,

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Speaker 1: my parents specifically, and started reconciling at my sister's request

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Speaker 1: when I decided to move back home. I was open

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Speaker 1: about not being close with them when Jed asked, and

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Speaker 1: the circumstances. And there is a juicy f.

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Speaker 2: Date who so wait, wait what about the family again?

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Speaker 1: It seems like op, he didn't doesn't have like a

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Speaker 1: and so that's why he didn't really talk about them

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Speaker 1: to jen oh and only recently has he been working

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Speaker 1: on it after his sister asked him to gotcha, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like this all makes sense why he wouldn't know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this was his brother's X. And I think

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Speaker 1: at that point, like again I said, I keep saying this,

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Speaker 1: didn't know. Presumably it had been like at least a

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Speaker 1: like I'm sorry I didn't know, but also like this

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Speaker 2: Now My question is social media true? Do we know

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Speaker 2: how old they are?

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Speaker 1: Are?

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Speaker 2: Go on a date with a girl. This happened in.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three, twenty eight. Ohp he's twenty eight, Marcus twenty six,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you think they would have a social media

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Speaker 2: They probably have Instagram. Like if I'm dating someone, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna follow their Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like, oh, mutuals.

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Speaker 2: Mutuals. But like, Mark's probably the type of guy that's

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Speaker 2: like very conscious about those things, like his appearance, because

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Speaker 2: it feels like Mark is very conscious about his appearance

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Speaker 2: and his social media life. So of course he didn't

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Speaker 2: post her after going dating over two to three weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he probably unfollowed her, and she probably like she

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Speaker 2: meant have blocked him, probably blocked him, was like whatever, you.

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Speaker 1: Know a while later when they started dating, she wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have noticed that there was like a yeah, there might

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Speaker 1: not have been a mutual follower if she blocked him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like the last name, like if you knew

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Speaker 2: their last name, Yeah, that's the only thing, because how

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Speaker 2: could she not know after a year. But unless she

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Speaker 2: like goes out on dates with other guys and didn't

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Speaker 2: really think anything of it.

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Speaker 1: No, but yeah, they have low contact. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't believe anything's fishy's anything fishy's

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Speaker 1: going on yet true. I think I think they're in

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Speaker 1: the clear so far, but there is a juicy update. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: but there might be some red flogs on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: Update November eleventh, two months later. I couldn't post this

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Speaker 1: my profile in case anyone is interested in an update.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've posted, but a few

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Speaker 1: things have happened since my last talk with Mark, so

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Speaker 1: I've been low contact with Mark since our last conversation.

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Speaker 1: I haven't called him and he hasn't called me, and

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Speaker 1: our only interactions have been in family settings. As it stands,

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Speaker 1: my mom is now upset that Mark is still uninvited

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Speaker 1: from my wedding. It started with a comment made during

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Speaker 1: my younger sister, Sophie's twenty two female that's me birthday.

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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend of I think four years proposed her at

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Speaker 1: the end of the night at twenty two Jesus congratulations,

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Speaker 1: wow ooh boy. Her boyfriend of I think four years

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Speaker 1: proposed her at the end of the night, and we

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Speaker 1: sat around talking about what she visioned for her dream wedding.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's getting proposed in this.

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00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: Family except for Mark.

440
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: Except for Mark. She talked a bit about wanting a

441
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 1: destination wedding and her ideas for the cake and dress.

442
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 1: Then she said something along the lines of teddy, I

443
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: know Mark's ban from your wedding, but you won't care

444
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: if he comes to mine, right. I laughed it off

445
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: and told her I can't get mad about her guest list,

446
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: even if I wanted to. My mom gave me this

447
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 1: weird look and asked if Mark was still not invited

448
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: to my wedding. I told her yes, and she got irritated.

449
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 1: She told me she thought I was joking and said

450
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: I was being unreasonable to go through with banning him

451
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: from the wedding since he's family. Wait, but Mark also

452
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: said he didn't want to come anyway. Yeah, so it's

453
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: not like he's even banning because, like they both agreed

454
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: that it was probably the best.

455
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 2: For him to come. He quit before you fired him.

456
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally, I feel like maybe the mom doesn't know this.

457
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: She should, she should be informed, but nobody told her

458
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: it was a mutual thing.

459
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: Actually, I think the mom's still going to be like, oh,

460
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: my sons can't be together. I felt, as a parent, like,

461
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: that's probably what's going through her head. Yeah, which I

462
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: don't know if you haven't, but she's gonna have to

463
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 2: deal with it.

464
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: She's gonna have to deal with it. There's another wedding,

465
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: it's fine.

466
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be at that one.

467
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: She accused me of holding a grudge just to be petty.

468
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: I reminded her that he and I read on him

469
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: not coming. I then told her that this wasn't the

470
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: time to talk about my wedding, since the day was

471
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: about Sophie, and if Mark or her want to talk

472
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: about my wedding, they can call me another time. Sophie

473
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: laid into my mom a bit about trying to make

474
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: her special day about Mark, and my mom dropped the issue.

475
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: For those of you who might be wondering, Mark wasn't

476
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: at Sophie's party because he apparently had to work and

477
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. A few days later, my mom stopped

478
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: by my house and said she wanted to discuss my wedding.

479
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: She asked me why I was so adamant about Mark

480
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: not coming to my wedding. She said that I shouldn't

481
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: be so insecure about Mark and Jen's previous relationship and

482
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: that uninviting him was a step too far. Oh my god,

483
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: she's not listening. I told her that Mark and I

484
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: mutually agreed on him not coming to the wedding. He

485
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: keeps ving to repeat this, and he can come to

486
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: me about it himself. He has a problem with it.

487
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: We got into an argument, and she said that if

488
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to reinvite Mark, then she would not

489
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: be coming either, because I'm ostracizing her son. I shrugged

490
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: and told her, if that's what she wants, then she

491
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: can toss her invite in the trash because I won't

492
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: beg her to be there. She asked me if I

493
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: would really be okay with her not attending, and I

494
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: told her it wouldn't be the first time she missed

495
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: an event of mine because of Mark. Okay, there's too

496
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 1: clearly some favoritism. Yeah, yikes. She said I was being

497
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: an a hole for throwing her past mistakes in her face,

498
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: and she stormed out. I then started getting messages and

499
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: phone calls from her and a few family members about

500
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: the whole situation, saying I was in the wrong and

501
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: urging me to invite Mark. Just to keep the peace.

502
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Jen's also been getting messages from my mom asking her

503
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: to talk to me and get me to change my mind,

504
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: but to my knowledge, she hasn't been responding.

505
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: Dude, neither of them want them to be.

506
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: But no, I don't understand why everyone's pushing it. They

507
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: don't like Mark does not want to be there. The

508
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: people affected by it.

509
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, have already acknowledged each other and okay, are okay

510
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: with it? God leave them alone.

511
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: To message Jen too, yic. So far, most of my

512
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: mom's side of the family are standing in solidarity with

513
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: her and not attending. WHOA what is her problem? She's

514
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: like trying to sabotage his wedding. Well, my dad and

515
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: his side of the family, which is only my aunt

516
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: and uncle and their two kids, agree with me and

517
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: are still coming. My sisters are also still coming to

518
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: the wedding, and of course Jen's family too also. I

519
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: talked to Mark about it and asked him if he

520
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: had a problem with not having an invite. He said

521
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: he uninvited himself in the first place, and he doesn't

522
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: get why they're making a big deal because he still

523
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go. So they're a sad page This

524
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: family is bonkers. What is their problem?

525
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: I feel like Mark and Op need to like, you

526
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: can get a family dinner together.

527
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: But hey, okay, we don't like each other, we don't

528
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: want to go to the wedding.

529
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: And we're okay with it, so figure it out.

530
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told me to leave him out of the

531
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: fighting because he's not involved, and he said he'd tell

532
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: her the same. As of now, I'm back to being

533
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: low contact with my mom, but my dad and I

534
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: are still on decent terms. I'm still deciding on whether

535
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I'll reinvite my mom and her family should they change

536
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: their mind about the boycott, but the chances are low.

537
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: And I told my dad this too, which he understands.

538
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: For now, Jen and I started looking into downsizing the

539
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: venue since the guest list is significantly smaller. That's so sad.

540
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: That is pretty sad.

541
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you said money, you'll save money. It's very

542
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: sad though, that this is the hill that they're dying on,

543
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: when again, Mark Andnop have already talked about this. Yeah.

544
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: Update three, this story never ends. My mom is uninvited

545
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: from the wedding indefinitely. WHOA, that's big.

546
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

547
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: About two weeks after she decided to not come to

548
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: the wedding. She came by and said she wanted to

549
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: clear the air and talk about everything. We agreed and

550
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: invited her to join us for dinner. Jen made her

551
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: a plate of food and I asked her if she

552
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: was still planning on not coming to the wedding. She

553
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: said that while she wants to, she can't get over

554
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: me not inviting Mark because of a simple mistake. I

555
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: reminded her that this simple mistake was proposing to my

556
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: fiance with me sitting less than three feet away, and

557
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: she said it was just a joke. Jen asked her

558
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: why she wanted to talk if she was maintaining the

559
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: same stance on Mark coming to the wedding. She said

560
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: she wanted to talk to Jen and she was hoping

561
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: Jen would hear out and talk me into inviting Mark again.

562
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: She apparently assumed I was at work and she'd be

563
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: able to catch her alone. What Jen politely told her

564
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: that she understood her thought process, but she wouldn't have

565
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: had that conversation anyway without me present. Since this is

566
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: about my brother, I can't believe the mom is trying

567
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: to go behind.

568
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: Trying to manipulate the situation.

569
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom made a comment somewhere in the lines

570
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: of Jen being spineless and unable to have a conversation

571
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: without me thinking for her, which started a pretty heated

572
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: back and forth between the three of us before Jen

573
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: told her to get out. She got up and started

574
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: walking towards the door, and my mom followed her, still

575
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: screaming at her. By this point, she's yelling about her

576
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: tearing her family apart. While Jen was unlocking the front door,

577
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: my mom grabbed her hair and pulled her to the ground,

578
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: still screaming. She hit her and tried to claw her face,

579
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: and I dragged her off of her and threw her outside.

580
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what the fuck?

581
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Call the police?

582
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Wait? Wait? Wait what?

583
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: The mom attacked her?

584
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: That came out of nowhere.

585
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: Mark and the mom are crazy? What wait?

586
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: I what? I'm speechless.

587
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: She attacked her? I hope they called the police on

588
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: this mom, Yes, honestly, because that's not okay. I'm glad

589
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: that she's not invited to the wedding because she's showing

590
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: her true colors. She banged on the door for a

591
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: few minutes while I made sure Jen was okay, before

592
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: she left and called the both of us repeatedly. When

593
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: I was sure Jen was okay, I texted my mom

594
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: and told her not to bother reaching out again because

595
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: we'll never speak to her again. I called my dad

596
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: and sisters and told them what happened to My dad

597
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: was surprised and tried to make excuses, saying she'd been

598
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: stressed about the whole situation for a while. My sisters

599
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: say they knew she'd snap eventually since she's always been

600
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: a crazy bee, and they said they'd come and make

601
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: sure Jenn's okay. I thought those sisters are nice.

602
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: This sister's the only sane ones of this family.

603
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I asked Jenn if she wanted to press charges, but

604
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: she declined and said she only wanted to cut contact

605
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: with her for good. I told her that part was obvious,

606
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: but she should still talk to the police since she

607
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: was physically assaulted. But she doesn't want my mom to

608
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: get arrested. This Jenn's so sweet. My sisters and Jen's

609
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: mom came by to comfort her, thankfully, so she's doing okay.

610
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: My mom is blocked on everything until Jen says otherwise.

611
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know what to do now. Jen doesn't

612
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: want to go to the police because she'd feel guilty

613
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: having her arrested over this. But my sisters and I

614
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: want to commence her and I'd at least want documentation

615
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: in case something happens in the future.

616
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, be good to document it but not press charges. Yeah.

617
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: You can be like I don't want to press charges,

618
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: but I do want to document this thing.

619
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yikes.

620
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Oh boy boy o boy o boy a boy. There

621
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: are some relevant comments and a juicy update. I don't

622
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: know how much juicier we can get.

623
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: Insane, what like, what do you what do you do?

624
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean you have to cut contacts.

625
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely cut contact if someone's attacked your partner.

626
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: Your own mother, your mother. It's just insane that she

627
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: won't give this up.

628
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, like off of something that Mark and op already

629
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: are angree.

630
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: It's over insanity.

631
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: Bad mom. I don't like mom. Relevant comments. All of

632
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: this could have been avoided if Mark had sat down

633
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: with your mom and taken responsibility. Opie says he absolutely could,

634
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: but I don't think he knows what accountability means. I

635
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: really do believe he thinks he has nothing to do

636
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: with their mom's act, and I don't think anything I

637
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: say will be enough to convince him that everything she

638
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: does is for him and her own selfish gain op

639
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: comments on November twelfth to someone saying that you should

640
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: really press charges. Jen is still against formal charges, but

641
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: after reading some of your comments with me and a

642
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: long talk about how this could escalate, she agreed to

643
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: have a documented with the police just in case she

644
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: wants to talk to my dad about possibly getting her

645
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: back in therapy or some kind of treatment for her

646
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: erratic behavior. And of course we are moving forward with

647
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: no contact, and there is, as I said, a juicy update.

648
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Should we just get right into it? Yeah, jump into

649
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the juice. Let's freaking go.

650
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: No way, she said that what you said, let's freaking go.

651
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: That's huge? Why? Because like that pumps me up.

652
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Let's freaking good. Yeah, juicy update. Let's pump up because

653
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: this is a long story. Yeah, juicy updates freaking good. Okay,

654
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: unless you listening to this at night, I'm sorry, sorry,

655
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: did you see up date.

656
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Too bad?

657
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Some background on my relationship with my parents. Some people

658
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: were asking questions about my mom and my decision not

659
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: to be open with Jen about my relationship with my parents.

660
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: I forgot that he had already been little contact with

661
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: him and then tried again to have a relationship with

662
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: him because of the sisters. So there's already precedent for

663
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: this behavior. I figured I could give some background on

664
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Speaker 1: why we're so strained. Like some of you said Mark

665
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: was the golden child. Mark was my mom's a baby boy,

666
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: and she didn't do much to try and hide it,

667
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: or we've read a few I imagine playing favorites on

668
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: your own children.

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00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: Why what makes Mark stand out so more?

670
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's Mark doing dating a bunch of people? Yeah,

671
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that if you're gonna play

672
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: favorites on your children to this extent, I don't know

673
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: if I don't know how parenting works, and maybe you

674
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: do have favorites, but like, if you're gonna blatantly show favoritism,

675
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't have children.

676
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: This is true.

677
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: They didn't spend much time with my sisters and I

678
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: like normal parents did with their kids unless they had to.

679
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: But they'd spent time with Mark as often as possible,

680
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: like taking him out shopping while we stayed with the sitter,

681
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: are bringing him home his favorite food and toys from

682
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: the store. When they usually shop alone, he usually got

683
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: better things compared to the rest of us, like new

684
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: expensive clothes while ours were thrifted, or new toys just

685
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: for him compared to old toys we had to share

686
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: with each other. If my sisters and I got gifts,

687
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: they were for us to share. But my mom made

688
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: it pretty clear that Mark's things were only for him

689
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't touch it. I feel like that was

690
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: her idea with Jen. She was like, that was the Mark,

691
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Like that was Mark's girlfriend, You shouldn't have gotten a relationship.

692
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: She seems messed up. When Mark would screw up, I'd

693
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: get punished for not being a good role model and

694
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: showing him the proper way to behave. For example, Mark

695
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: went through a phase of breaking his toys and I

696
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: got the beating because he obviously learned that behavior from me.

697
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, your parents were just a brute abusive. That's horrible.

698
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. When he was eight, Mark got in

699
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: trouble at school for trying to push a kid down

700
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the stairs. I was grounded for two weeks and told

701
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: to apologize to the kid for not teaching my brother.

702
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Right.

703
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh, they're parentifying him. Whoa wow, this is horrible. It

704
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: seems like there's some like kind of physical stuff going

705
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: on at home. Yeah, and it makes more sense why

706
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: the mom. It doesn't seem like it's out of nowhere

707
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: for the mom to attack gen.

708
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

709
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: When I turned thirteen, I pushed for my parents to

710
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: start giving me an allowance. They agreed as long as

711
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I did household chores like mowing the lawn, taking out

712
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: the trash, raking leaves, et cetera. It was usually somewhere

713
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: around twenty five dollars a week to help me start saving.

714
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: Mark saw that I was getting money, and he begged

715
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: my parents for allowance too. Instead of making work, ten

716
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: dollars of my allowance was given to him each week

717
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: because we were doing such a good job with our

718
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: choys that he never touched. Whenever I asked him to help,

719
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: he'd tell me it's not his job to do chores,

720
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: so why should he bother. It was around this time

721
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: that I started really distancing myself from my brother. The

722
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: time time I entered high school, we only talked to

723
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: each other when we needed small favors or when we

724
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: absolutely had to. I got my first job when I

725
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: was seventeen because I wanted to finally get my own

726
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: car and make money. That they couldn't force me to

727
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: give to Mark. My oldest sister, Maggie, helped me start

728
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: my own bank account and showed me how to properly

729
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: budget and save my money. I got my first car

730
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: at eighteen, after all my hard work. When Mark got

731
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: his license, my parents asked me to let him use

732
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: my car to get around and for extra practice behind

733
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: the wheel. Reluctantly I agreed, and for a while the

734
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: arrangement was fine. Mark used my car when I didn't

735
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: need it and helped maintain it pretty well. When he

736
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: expressed wanting my parents to buy him his own car,

737
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: my mom came to me and told me to give

738
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: him my car because he needed it more. Whoa wow.

739
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: When I refuse, she threatened to kick me out. We

740
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: got into a fight that night, which ended with her

741
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: giving Mark my car and taking me to transfer ownership

742
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: of it to him within the falling few days. Since

743
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have anywhere else I could go at the time,

744
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I just sucked it up and signed it over.

745
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: Sure.

746
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, these parents are horrible.

747
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: What the heck?

748
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: These parents are horrible people. Yeah, I'm glad that they're

749
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: not coming to the wedding. I don't think I would

750
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: have invited them to the wedding period after this. If

751
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: this was like my childhood, I would not have invited

752
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: them to the wedding. But also I understand wanting to

753
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: like it seems like, oh, he did cut contact and

754
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: then tried to reestablish that, and it's clearly they do

755
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: not deserve that.

756
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

757
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: When I graduated high school, both of my parents skip

758
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: my graduation because Mark didn't want to sit in a

759
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: long ceremony just to see me get a piece of paper,

760
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and my mom didn't want to leave him alone for

761
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: the night. So I only had the support of my

762
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: sister's and my aunt and uncle who wanted to take

763
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: me out. They ended up having to bring me bring

764
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: me home at my parents' request because they made me

765
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: dinner to make it up for me. It was a

766
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: dinner I couldn't eat because my mom puts shrimp and

767
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: chicken on the same serving dish and I'm allergic to shellfish.

768
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: These parents are horrible, Like I don't know how many

769
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: times I can say it, because they just keep being horrible.

770
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Like the more you read, you'd be like, oh, even

771
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: more horrible. Example three hundred. Yeah, we're terrible.

772
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: They're terrible, horrible. Yes. My first year out of high school,

773
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I worked two jobs to buy myself another car YO,

774
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: and at the start of the new school year, I

775
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: moved away from college and cut contact with them. They

776
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: mostly my mom tried to reach out for the first

777
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: few months via social media and Sophie, but I never responded,

778
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: and I told Sophie she would be cut off too

779
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: if she kept trying. Oh that's sad though, when she

780
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: couldn't get to me through Sophie. Oh, I see. I

781
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: thought Sophie was just trying to reach out, but it

782
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: seems like the mom is using Sophie to get to Yeah, okay, yeah,

783
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: I understand. When she couldn't get to meet through Sophie,

784
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: she tried going through my older sister Charlotte, and a

785
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: few times through Maggie and Mark, until I threatened to

786
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: file a restraining order for harassment. It was a bluff

787
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: because I had no idea how to do it, but

788
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: it managed to scare her off, and the most I

789
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: got from her were happy holiday texts over the years.

790
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Around the time I moved back, Charlotte told me that

791
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: they had been seeing a family therapist at Charlotte's request,

792
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: and my parents wanted to apologize for their treatment of us.

793
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: I was hesitant, but I agreed as long as they

794
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: would be genuine, and the reconciliation process started when I

795
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: moved back home. That doesn't even scratch the surface of

796
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: everything they put me through, and it took a lot

797
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: for me to even begin to let them back into

798
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: my life. When I met Jen, I wasn't sure where

799
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: my relationship with her was going, or where my relationship

800
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: with my parents was going. I didn't want to mention

801
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: my family at all, mostly because I was ready to

802
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: cut contact again if I need to. Jen was understanding

803
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: of it being a source subject and didn't press for more.

804
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I hope this helps shed some light on some of

805
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: the questions I've been seeing pop up, and there are

806
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: some relevant comments, but any thoughts.

807
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: This is nuts, all those little things. I mean good

808
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: that they're like.

809
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: Going to therapy, go to therapy, but but yeah, they're

810
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: just really awful.

811
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: This is so sad to see that the mom seemed

812
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: to have come along ways since then and they.

813
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Just ruined it, just ruin everything or seemingly came a

814
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: long way, pretended that she came a long way, and

815
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: then clearly didn't. Yeah, like clearly had all of those

816
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: same problems that Op he grew up with. But there

817
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: are some relevant comments. Okay, oh on why Ope, he

818
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: didn't have the reconciliation depend on them reimbursing him for

819
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: the car. I wouldn't even thought about that.

820
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he worked hard for the car.

821
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: Uh Eh, getting rare embursed for the car wasn't a

822
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: hill I was willing to die on since the damage

823
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: was already done. Even now, it's hard to believe Mark

824
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: was the favorite. There wasn't anything really special about him.

825
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't mean that as an insult either. He was

826
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: just a regular kid. My parents weren't having fertility issues.

827
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: He wasn't a miracle. It wasn't a meal ticket. They

828
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: weren't having marital problem and using a baby as a

829
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: band aid. He was just born, and they decided to

830
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: love him more than us. And believe me, they didn't

831
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: think this was normal. They just have a soft spot

832
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: for our parents because there are because there are parents,

833
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: and they believe they have redeeming qualities. Oh the other kids, Okay,

834
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: you're sure you're not adopted? I'm biological. Unfortunately, they couldn't

835
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: deny me even if they wanted to. I used to

836
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: make excuses for them, but after a while I had

837
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: to admit that they're just two people who should never

838
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: have had kids. Absolutely. Yeah, if you're going to treat

839
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: your kids this way, I just don't have kids.

840
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't bother.

841
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Don't bother. But guess what what there's a juicy update. There,

842
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: there's more. This story never ends. I really hope it

843
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: ends happily like Jen and Op get married and never

844
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: see the family again. Juicy update. Yeah, woohoo. Seventeen days later,

845
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone who's taken the time to

846
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: give me advice on what to do going forward, and

847
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: all the kind messages and comments I've gotten over the

848
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: past few days slash weeks. Jen and I have read

849
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: the comments together and everything is appreciated. To answer the

850
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: most common question about why I chose to reconnect after everything,

851
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: the short answer is because I would do anything for

852
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: my sisters.

853
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Oh.

854
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Charlotte wanted the entire family around for the birth of

855
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: her first child and to help her while she adjusts.

856
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: She didn't want part time aunts or uncles who would

857
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: only visit her kid during birthdays and holidays. She was

858
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: never the type to ask for much of anything growing up,

859
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: so when she asked if I would be willing to

860
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: try for her, I agreed because it would make her happy.

861
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I also think part of me hope that maybe they'd changed.

862
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't regret trying to reconcile either. My parents are

863
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: still terrible, but I met the love of my life,

864
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: so I call it a win. Aw A few people

865
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: wanted to know if there's an update, so here we go.

866
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Sorry if it's a mess or confusing. A lot has happened.

867
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: We filed a report with the police, good good, and

868
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: we were told that even though Jen doesn't want to

869
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: pursue anything, it's not up to us to decide whether

870
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: it goes further, but they would keep our preference in mind.

871
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: Cool.

872
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: We provided some pretty decent evidence of the assault, including

873
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: pictures of Jen's face and texts with my mom and

874
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: dad talking about what happened. We were advised to report

875
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: and record any other incidents with my mom going further

876
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: in case anything else happens. Considering where we live, I

877
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: doubt it'll go anywhere, but at least we have it

878
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: on record. I got about one hundred angry text messages

879
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: that tell me they at least spoke with her regarding

880
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: the incident. Well, maybe you shouldn't have a taxed someone.

881
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been the sensible thing to do,

882
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: But I guess, I guess your brain cells aren't working.

883
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: My mom tried to corner me leaving my job and

884
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: screamed at me about trying to ruin her life. She

885
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: screamed that I was an awful son for trying to

886
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: get her arrested over a small misunderstanding, and she didn't

887
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: understand what she'd done to deserve being punished like this.

888
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Give her an itemized bill of all the things she

889
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: did to deserve being punished like this. I told her

890
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: that if she didn't like being in legal trouble, then

891
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have hit Gen. She demanded I tell the

892
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: police to forget at the report, which I refused. I

893
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: told her exactly what the officer said about it being

894
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: out of my hands. She had a tantrum in the

895
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: parking lot and hit me a few times, just on

896
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: the chest and arm, before security intervened and dragged her

897
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: off the property. I had to talk to my boss

898
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: about the incident. Luckily, she was understanding about everything going on.

899
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: After I explained what was happening.

900
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: W boss. Nice boss.

901
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, nice boss. I'm glad that they understood, because

902
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: if she.

903
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: Went there did that and then he got like fire

904
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: friend or fired. No.

905
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: When I got home, I told Jen what happened. She

906
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: was upset and asked that we discussed the plan with

907
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: my family moving forward. It was a long talk, but

908
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: we took the advice of some redditors and decided to

909
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: go completely no contact with my family aside from my

910
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: sisters Nice. We agree that having them in my life

911
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: is adding unnecessary stress for the both of us, and

912
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: we aren't even married yet. She told me she wanted

913
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: to consider moving away and putting some distance between us

914
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: and my family. She told me that she tried to

915
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: stay out of my family issues because it's not her place,

916
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: but she refuses to put up with my mom and

917
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: her behavior or my dad enabling her abuse. Absolutely, that

918
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: is such a fair That is such a fair thing

919
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: to ask. A lot more was said too much to

920
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: put in this post, but I agreed with her that

921
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: they were more trouble than their worth, and I also

922
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: don't want to put up with this anymore. I also

923
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: agreed to go to therapy, and she's helping me to

924
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: find a therapist. No, that's good. I'm glad the parents

925
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: should go back to the therapy. I decided to call

926
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: my dad after a talk and let him know I

927
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: would be going no contact. He didn't answer the first

928
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: time I called, so I left a message asking to

929
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: have a long talk. When he called back, he asked

930
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: if it was okay for my mom to be a

931
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: part of this conversation. No. No, I told him it

932
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: was okay since she needed to hear what I had

933
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: to say too. The conversation went about as well as

934
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: you can expect. I told them both that Jen and

935
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I are cutting them out of our lives. My dad

936
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: demanded to know why I would do something like that

937
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: after going through all the trouble of repairing a relationship.

938
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Because you destroyed it, you destroy the relationship. I told

939
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: him that this entire thing with Mark had shown me

940
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that nothing is actually repaired between us, and as far

941
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: as they're concerned, the world revolves around only my mom

942
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: and my little brother. I told them that their continued

943
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: favoritism of Mark has brought our relationship to a point

944
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: of no return, and that I wasn't interested in holding

945
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: onto a failing relationship. I told them that I agreed

946
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: to reconcile for Charlotte's sake, but I don't appreciate all

947
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: of the disrespect towards me and Jen, and that I

948
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't put up with it anymore for both of our sakes.

949
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: To my mom specifically, I told her that I was

950
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: tired of her using me as a scapegoat for her

951
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: bad parenting and Mark's attitude. I also told her that

952
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: I would never forgive her for what she did to

953
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Jen and what she did to me and my sisters

954
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: growing up. She started to say how I should move

955
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: on like my sisters have, but I cut her off

956
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: and told her that she should take their forgiveness and

957
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: move on because she would never receive it from me,

958
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: especially after everything she's done these last few weeks. Yeah,

959
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: she started crying and asking me how I could treat

960
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: her like such a villain, because you are, because you're

961
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: a villain.

962
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: You're doing villain activities.

963
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: This is villain stuff, this is textbook villain activity. Yes,

964
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: this is joker level.

965
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: This is joker level.

966
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: Acted like one stop it stop. I told her she

967
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: could only be upset with herself because I've done nothing wrong.

968
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: She cried, harder and told me how much she regretted

969
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: having me and how I've only tried to ruin her life. Oh, mom,

970
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: is al whoa awful psychotic person?

971
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: The villain?

972
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: You're the villain?

973
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: How can you not see that?

974
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: I love it that she's like? How why are you

975
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: painting me as the villain? I wish you were never born?

976
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: That's villain stuff.

977
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm just glad he didn't become the joker growing up,

978
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: but Mark kind of did.

979
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: Mark did. Mark's the joker?

980
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: Oh man.

981
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: This started a heated argument between her and Jen once again,

982
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: and Jen told her, in much more colorful words, that

983
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: she was disgusting and plenty of other nice names for

984
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: saying something like that to me. I don't know if

985
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: she left the room or just decided to shut up,

986
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: but my mom stopped speaking. When Jen was done speaking

987
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: to her, my dad said he wasn't okay with being

988
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: shut out of my life and asked me to try

989
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: and understand my mom's point of view. He said that

990
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: she was also struggling because her kids were at odds

991
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: because of you, because of the mom, because her kids

992
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: were at odds, and I was being unfair to punish

993
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: her for her struggles with raising and caring for us.

994
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: The last thing he said was that we were a

995
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: family and I shouldn't let past mistakes stop us from

996
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: moving forward together. These aren't past mistakes, these are current mistakes. Yeah,

997
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: these are things that she said two seconds ago. I

998
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: told him that the only person she ever cared for

999
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: was Mark and herself, and there was nothing he could

1000
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: say or do to make me change my mind. I

1001
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: told him that it was up to him whether to

1002
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: keep my number, but I would be blocking him and

1003
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: my mom everywhere, and I wouldn't be reaching out again.

1004
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: Then I hung up. Afterwards, I sent a long email

1005
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: with a link to my posts attached to my entire family,

1006
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: uninviting everyone except my aunt and uncle and my sisters

1007
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: to the wedding. I hadn't cried in a long time,

1008
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: but Jen held me while I cried after running the email,

1009
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: and she assured me we would be okay, Ah Jen.

1010
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Throughout all of this, I think the moral of the

1011
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: story is Jen is cool.

1012
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jen is a queen.

1013
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Jen is a queen. My sisters also reached out to

1014
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: me after reading the email. I apologized to Charlotte for

1015
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: not being able to continue reconciling like she wanted, but

1016
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: she told me it was okay and it's not my fault.

1017
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: I had to cut them off again. The response for

1018
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: my family has been pretty mixed. Some are angry I

1019
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: aired up family issues on public internet forum because while

1020
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: others are pissed at my parents because they never knew

1021
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: it was this bad. The last person I talked to

1022
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: about everything was Mark. He asked if I was cutting

1023
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: him off to and I told him I wasn't, but

1024
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be going out of my way to reach

1025
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: out to him either. He didn't argue and just wished

1026
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: me the best with the wedding, and we haven't spoken since.

1027
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: This is such a testament to how crazy the parents

1028
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: are that Mark is coming out of this looking okay.

1029
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: I totally forgot you, like kind of started this.

1030
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he started this proposed Yeah, but he's like the

1031
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: least crazy in the story. I mean, besides Op and

1032
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: the sisters and yeah, of the craziest in the story.

1033
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah here Mark, Mark is like here, yeah, wow. Nice.

1034
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: Right now, Jen and I are looking for a new

1035
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: place to stay. The plan is to move closer to

1036
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: Jen's brother. He lives about three hours from where we

1037
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: are now, and Jen and I and Jen and I

1038
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: like the city he's in.

1039
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: Nice.

1040
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: I spoke to my boss about transferring, and Jen is

1041
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: looking into the option of working one hundred percent remotely

1042
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: or possibly finding a new job. Okay, and once again

1043
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: our venues changed since the guest list is significantly smaller.

1044
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: My future brother in law is considering letting us use

1045
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: his lake house for our wedding. That's it's nice that

1046
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: you'll have like a nice brother. Yeah, nice family.

1047
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: Find another family that though you're.

1048
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: Marrying into a new family. Yeah, new family. Thank guard

1049
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah per or less? Oh yeah, funny. I don't plan

1050
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: to post any more about this unless the sky falls,

1051
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: at least not until the wedding, because I want to

1052
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: move on with life. Please do please move on. You

1053
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: deserve it, you do. But I'll try to answer any

1054
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: questions some of you might have. Thanks and happy holidays

1055
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: at it. It took a few days to post this,

1056
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: and I had to keep removing details before I could

1057
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: actually post it. If anything's unclear, I'll answer as many

1058
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: questions as it can. And there are two more relevant

1059
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: comments before we finally close out of this very sad saga.

1060
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: Number one, your mom might try to figure out where

1061
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: you moved to. Oh, pieces aha, I am already anticipating

1062
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: the aftermath of moving. She's going to follow us when

1063
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: we move, because that's the kind of crazy she is.

1064
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: When she doesn't get her way, she becomes obsessive until

1065
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: she's forced to stop. I spoke with a lawyer friend

1066
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: of mine to see about possible restraining orders to get

1067
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 1: to stop her before she starts. And did mom read

1068
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: the comments? According to Sophie, she's read a lot of

1069
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: them and doesn't think Reddit strangers have the right to

1070
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: tell her she's a bad person. L I don't think

1071
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: there's any amending left in me. Wish them the best,

1072
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: just as far from me and my family as possible

1073
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: as you should as you should. Wow, Wow, I'm glad

1074
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: that they went no contact.

1075
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is yikes, insanity.

1076
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: That was insane story.

1077
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: I hate that you have to go through all these

1078
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: measures in order to like stay safe. Yeah, get away

1079
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: from your family, Get.

1080
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: Away from your family who treats you horribly, to protect

1081
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: your future wife.

1082
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much stress this family gave him, yeah,

1083
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: until he said it's easier to cut him off because

1084
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: they're less stressful be less stressful.

1085
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: If it's easier to cut your entire family off, then

1086
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: there there's something wrong with that family. And there was

1087
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: something wrong with that family. Yeah, no, God, I don't

1088
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: even have any like words.

1089
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: What would you guys have done? Yeah, let's know the comments.

1090
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I would have absolutely cut them off and

1091
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: like found my best to find a restraining order pronto,

1092
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Speaker 1: because yeah, no, this is none of this is okay.

1093
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: How to buy a new car, How to buy Yeah,

1094
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: they literally stole his car. They stole his They coerced

1095
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: him into selling his car to his brother. But he

1096
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: didn't even get the money. You just had to hand

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00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: the car over.

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Speaker 2: I also appreciate Mark being like, yeah, I know, we

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Speaker 2: got beef. Yeah, but this is as far as my

1100
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: beef will go. Well, the mom's beef is like keeps

1101
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Speaker 2: keeps coming as snowballing