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Speaker 1: what lots to get to? Why don't we just start
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers. Okay, Amari Cooper. Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: going to be traded. Will not happen till later this
Speaker 1: week officially, but he's going to Cleveland. So it's for
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. The Browns and the Cowboys swap
Speaker 1: six round picks. Here, Coop do twenty million dollars. Cowboys
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay it. They saved sixteen million dollars
Speaker 1: under the cap. So gentleman thumbs upper thumbs down. I'm
Speaker 1: make it. That's sim before you thumbs upper thumbs down
Speaker 1: on this trade them to start with you, Barry Church
Speaker 1: for me with the Cowboys situation. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 1: a tough one for me because you know, you let
Speaker 1: Cooper go in To me, I thought he was a
Speaker 1: number one receiver. I mean, he didn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of chances last year, and for the most part last year,
Speaker 1: he didn't show that he was a number one. But
Speaker 1: I still believe he has number one left in the tank,
Speaker 1: and for them to trade that away, they must have
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of confidence in the receivers they
Speaker 1: have left on the roster. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: said we heard Gallup might be or should be signing
Speaker 1: that extension. Hopefully it'll get said Wilson back. But to me,
Speaker 1: that hurts the pass game overall because even though Cooper,
Speaker 1: he didn't put up crazy, ridiculous numbers that guarante that
Speaker 1: warranted that twenty million dollars deal, but he opened things
Speaker 1: up for other people, you know, And I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of the attention now is gonna go towards
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, go towards Michael Gallut, go towards said Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're for that type of hunt,
Speaker 1: that type of pressure on them. I mean, being a
Speaker 1: number one receiver. It's it's it's a tough it's a
Speaker 1: tough duty. So I think this might be a thumbs
Speaker 1: down for the Dallas Cowboys, but certainly a thumbs up
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns. I mean, they're getting I think,
Speaker 1: a very very solid receiver that has a lot left
Speaker 1: in the tank. You put him in there with that
Speaker 1: great running game that they have in Nick Chubb and
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. You put him in there with Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: and they got a good offensive line. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a thumbs up for Cleveland, but for Dallas, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go thumbs down because I did not want to
Speaker 1: see a Mark Cooper go. But hey, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's a business and you gotta make
Speaker 1: other decisions. Yeah, I feel like the same way he
Speaker 1: brought a lot of double teams to his side, he
Speaker 1: had a lot of brought a lot of attention to
Speaker 1: his side, so it opened up the field for the
Speaker 1: other wide receivers to make plays. So with that being gone,
Speaker 1: is gonna put a lot of pressure on those young
Speaker 1: guys to be able to perform. And when you get
Speaker 1: out there and you're making plays, when you got the
Speaker 1: other guy on the other side. But when that when
Speaker 1: you get that pressure, that ball is like you got
Speaker 1: that all that pressure to make those plays and to
Speaker 1: carry the team, it's a it's a whole other monster.
Speaker 1: So the time will tell it will either make make
Speaker 1: divings out of the other receivers or he's gonna bust
Speaker 1: the pipe. So we'll see here, we'll see twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money. It's a lot of bread,
Speaker 1: a lot of bread. And when you say a lot
Speaker 1: of bread, let me break it down into more terms.
Speaker 1: Two for a million dollars a game? Yeah, is he
Speaker 1: bringing you a million dollars a game in production? See,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I was That's the thing that
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's kind of I because he wasn't
Speaker 1: I'll put it like that. He was not giving you
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars worth of game out there. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that had to do with the with the
Speaker 1: scheme as well. I mean, he wasn't getting a lot
Speaker 1: of looks or a lot of targets as well. So
Speaker 1: I can't put it all on a Mark Cooper for
Speaker 1: not being productive because there was a lot of games
Speaker 1: where he might have only got you know, three targets,
Speaker 1: two targets here and there, so I can't put it
Speaker 1: all on his plate. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you are correct newly in my opinion, he wasn't putting
Speaker 1: that that twenty million dollars worth a game on the
Speaker 1: football field. So the Cowboys had to make a decision.
Speaker 1: One point three million a game my back, Remember he
Speaker 1: missed two games. Is a COVID, he wouldn't get that shot.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, one point three milk. That's And when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, Cowboys always really make good
Speaker 1: business decisions, and that's really what this is. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a business decision. And was he bringing that
Speaker 1: revenue to each one of the games? Probably not, But
Speaker 1: the other things that like the double teams opened up
Speaker 1: the field for the other players, Like you really can't
Speaker 1: see that happening in the game, Like he that's not
Speaker 1: making a play. So it's those things that you don't
Speaker 1: see that he was really bringing. And is that worth
Speaker 1: one point three a million dollars a game? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I got to decide, Like it's tough because did you
Speaker 1: look at it now? Okay, you know teams were starting
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, they were starting to
Speaker 1: play that kind of umbrella covers where they had two
Speaker 1: high safeties back deep and they were like, look that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to check it down or make accurate
Speaker 1: throws through our zone to be able to beat us.
Speaker 1: And we weren't able to do that. They weren't able
Speaker 1: to do that. So that's a tough one. Do you
Speaker 1: put it more on his lack of production? Do you
Speaker 1: put it more on the scheme and Kella Moore scheme
Speaker 1: or the actual player kellamore scheme? Kellamore? I mean, how
Speaker 1: many times were we watching Sean McVay And I was
Speaker 1: there at the Super Bowl. So it was just amazing
Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter because Cooper Cooper Cup made so
Speaker 1: many players, Ye come around on the tweet coming on across.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was all right. So that whole final,
Speaker 1: that whole final fourth quarter was about Stafford the Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: That was it. So we've seen an offensive coordinator scheme
Speaker 1: scheme him up. Yeah, Okay, we've seen DeAndre Hopkins, We've
Speaker 1: seen DeVante Adams. I mean, we just see dudes out
Speaker 1: here who are getting back. When Antonio Brown was, we've
Speaker 1: been Roethlisberger. You knew what was coming. Good luck stopping it.
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson when he was with Matt Stafford. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are ways, and we've seen number one guys get used,
Speaker 1: even Michael Thomas when he had Drew Brees at their
Speaker 1: new work. So for one point three million dollars, if
Speaker 1: you if if your offensive coordinator is not going to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to scheme him up, then I
Speaker 1: don't think you're doing justice to the receiver or doing
Speaker 1: justice to this cheam. Now I feel bad for him,
Speaker 1: our Cooper, because Baker Mayfield's not that guy. He's going
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, I mean Dallas, Cleveland, you know, Baker Dak.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you're outside in the conditions. If
Speaker 1: I'm Mard, You're from Florida, went to Alabama, started your
Speaker 1: cares with the Raiders in California, go to Texas, and
Speaker 1: now they're gonna send you up here to Cleveland to
Speaker 1: catch passes from a dude. They don't even want to
Speaker 1: give him multi year contract to number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we don't know if Field to pick
Speaker 1: up that option. And so unless they go bring in
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson in a trade in good luck trying to
Speaker 1: get Deshaun Watson to you and their calls are going
Speaker 1: out three first round here, like I'm like man Ian
Speaker 1: the crisis guy. And of course the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: Cleveland passed on Deshaun Watson twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how
Speaker 1: smarter that? So I feel bad. I feel bad for
Speaker 1: a Mark Cooper. I still think he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that he's leaving. Yeah, but one
Speaker 1: point three million dollars in the financial that's that's a
Speaker 1: lot of money and is and as a number one
Speaker 1: receiver you kind of love guys like this in your
Speaker 1: locker room. That he wasn't really getting a lot of targets.
Speaker 1: He wasn't getting all that, but you rarely heard anything
Speaker 1: from him. I mean we saw the two maybe the
Speaker 1: two instances where he was like, yeah, if I got
Speaker 1: the ball more, I can help this team out. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a you know how how how my
Speaker 1: boy there? It wasn't go ahead ahead, say different. I
Speaker 1: had a different type of passion. So you can't you
Speaker 1: really can't brain that type of like leadership. It was
Speaker 1: really what it is, leadership to the to the locker room.
Speaker 1: Like he's been through it, He's been that one, number
Speaker 1: one receiver. Like he's been through a lot of different games.
Speaker 1: He's seen a lot of different coverages how people are
Speaker 1: going to cover him. So he brought a different to
Speaker 1: the to the Cowboys that they don't have. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's gonna it's gonna come. We'll see
Speaker 1: if it shows through or if if it won't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, all right, so um Amari Cooper on his
Speaker 1: way to Cleveland. Michael Gallup stays, he was coming up
Speaker 1: on free agency, had that horrible ACL tear January second
Speaker 1: when he went up for a touchdown catch and he
Speaker 1: made it against the Arizona Cardinals. Five years sixty two
Speaker 1: point five million dollars is what's being reported. He missed
Speaker 1: seven games due to a calf injury last year that
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game had that then missed the next seven games,
Speaker 1: played an eight last year. In four seasons with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: one hundred ninety three catches for two thousand, nine hundred
Speaker 1: ninety two yards fifteen touchdowns, had a one thousand yards
Speaker 1: season in twenty twenty twenty seven million isn't guaranteed money,
Speaker 1: ten point ten million dollars signing bonus, and he had
Speaker 1: he had the ACL surgery in February. So anybody looking
Speaker 1: for Michael Gallup to start week one, I would tell you, don't.
Speaker 1: Don't look for that would be unrealistic, and that's amass.
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was smart on his behalf,
Speaker 1: because like you said, he you know he might not
Speaker 1: be ready for week one. So if you go to
Speaker 1: a different team, you don't know that training staff, you
Speaker 1: don't know that team, you don't know how they work
Speaker 1: with you during the offseason, how they're gonna bring you
Speaker 1: back towards the team. I mean, you gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: get a whole new leadership value with that team. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a smart move by him. You
Speaker 1: know the team, you know the guys in the training room.
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna get you back as healthy as possible,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna let you take your time with coming back.
Speaker 1: So that was definitely a solid move on him, and
Speaker 1: I think by the Cowboys as well. I mean, I look, first,
Speaker 1: I looked at that number, I said, whoa five for
Speaker 1: sixty two. I'm hold on this guy coming off of ACL.
Speaker 1: But then when you really looked at the numbers, it
Speaker 1: boils down like new He said to really kind of
Speaker 1: a two year, twenty seven guaranteed overall, very team friendly.
Speaker 1: I think overall the whole thing is like twelve and
Speaker 1: a half a year, which I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to get closer to sixteen a year. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a very team friendly deal. If he ends up
Speaker 1: coming back healthy and blowing up and you know, playing
Speaker 1: out the whole five years, I think it'd be a
Speaker 1: great value for the squad. So I think they you know,
Speaker 1: they both worked with each other on this one, So
Speaker 1: I think it's a good deal overall. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's all gonna boil down to whether or not Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb can be that guy, because I honestly don't think
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup is is a number one. I think he's
Speaker 1: a great number two, kind of a one beat situation.
Speaker 1: But I think if it's all on him, I don't
Speaker 1: think this passing attack is going to be as dynamic
Speaker 1: as it was in the past. So I think this
Speaker 1: deal pretty much sums up. If if if Ceedee Lamb can
Speaker 1: be that guy and Gallup can be a solid number two,
Speaker 1: I think we have a great pass production. But if
Speaker 1: it's all on Gallup, I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a tough situation. So spend I want to throw it
Speaker 1: to you coming off ACL, Yeah, I'm my receiver. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was coming off my knee surgery and I played,
Speaker 1: I came back and I played a year with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with the same like I was able to recover
Speaker 1: and get all that work in with the same training staff.
Speaker 1: But then I went to New Orleans and it was
Speaker 1: a whole different type of training like that, Like it
Speaker 1: plays an effect on your body, so you have to
Speaker 1: being with the same training staff and going through the
Speaker 1: offseason and then being able to have this contract with
Speaker 1: gives him a little bit more security and comfortability and
Speaker 1: believe in it itself, like putting that putting that ownership
Speaker 1: on himself to come back and perform at that high level.
Speaker 1: So I really believe that's going to be a good
Speaker 1: deal for him and for the Cowboys, just because they're
Speaker 1: giving him a little bit of rope to get better
Speaker 1: and to become a better player. At the same time,
Speaker 1: he's got to have that trust in the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: them signing him back. So we'll see. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna be back and doing great because
Speaker 1: even when the Tories ACL making that catch. You can
Speaker 1: see the resilience that he had as a player, and
Speaker 1: even with the injuries that he had this past year
Speaker 1: with the hurt calv like, that's part of the ACL
Speaker 1: or not the ACL, but just being in football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, just be able to go through those injuries
Speaker 1: and come back and availability is always the key of
Speaker 1: this game. So I feel like that's what we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So that's um for me. That's the question. Okay,
Speaker 1: you signed him for five years, got the ACLU. You
Speaker 1: hear people say it'll take you a good year to
Speaker 1: get back to where you were. So now you're talking
Speaker 1: four years. You know, what are you going to really
Speaker 1: get out of the deal. So there's a lot of hope. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hope of this deal. Hey, you're
Speaker 1: hoping he goes back to what he was. You're hoping
Speaker 1: he could be the number two. They're no guarantees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not at all. With that deal being said, do you
Speaker 1: do you feel like these guys should go get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver early in the draft. No, No, Spence with
Speaker 1: my chom Oh, it's it's hard. It's hard. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the CD lab and
Speaker 1: just just had the having the continuity of the people
Speaker 1: that they have in the locker room right now, like
Speaker 1: they can't. You can't keep bringing in new and and
Speaker 1: hoping that yeah, I mean, it's all over again. So
Speaker 1: you just got to kind of build with what you
Speaker 1: have and people that are in the even the tight
Speaker 1: end that they just signed to the franchise deal Shultz
Speaker 1: Sholtz him him coming back and having that opportunity, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's gonna be huge for the passing game
Speaker 1: as well. Let me just ask you guys, give me
Speaker 1: your top three wide receivers in the game right now.
Speaker 1: Just just think, you know, just just in your mind,
Speaker 1: you know, it just comes to your mind right now.
Speaker 1: We just mentioned Cooper Cup. I would I would go
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Devontae Adams, Stefan Diggs. Okay, that's what I
Speaker 1: will go. Okay, I like Cooper Cup a lot. Uh,
Speaker 1: definitely Devontae Adams. Okay, and I'm not I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine, that's fine, Okay. Just here's here's
Speaker 1: the exercisement. Not one of those guys the first round pick.
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup's the third round pick. Adams and Diggs are
Speaker 1: second round picks. The Packers have made a living not
Speaker 1: taking guys in the first round. They just won't do it.
Speaker 1: And so I bring that up to say, look, you
Speaker 1: can find these guys in later rounds. Um, you know
Speaker 1: Chris Scotlan's not a first round pick, while Mike Evans is. Um,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas had those great ears in New Orleands, He's
Speaker 1: not a He's not a number one guy. So, um,
Speaker 1: you can get those guys you've You've invested in cde Lamb.
Speaker 1: He's still got a rookie deal here. You just paid gallop.
Speaker 1: I think you could. To me, if I'm the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: either dress your front seven on defense or you address
Speaker 1: your offensive line in the first round. Here, you know
Speaker 1: your center is still too light, your left guards probably
Speaker 1: leaving in free agency. Um, Layton vander esh is going
Speaker 1: to be on the move, I believe, and so someone
Speaker 1: next to Michael Parsons, depending on what happens with Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and whatever you decide to do a tank, Lawrence,
Speaker 1: you need to go ahead and look at the edge
Speaker 1: rush and could you ever have too many good defensive
Speaker 1: linemen up front who can stop the run? Nope? So,
Speaker 1: so to me, wide receiver that nah back burner. And
Speaker 1: also every year, what are we the market's gonna get
Speaker 1: flooded with So Cooper is signed, you know, Cooper, the
Speaker 1: deal's gonna go to the He's gonna go to the
Speaker 1: brows of the trade. And what do we see the
Speaker 1: Browns telling Jeffers Sandra hey Man, go ahead, look for
Speaker 1: a trade, go ahead. You know they're going to be
Speaker 1: dudes out here. Not that not that I would want
Speaker 1: this player, but you got Antonio Brown on the podcast
Speaker 1: about Heye Jerry, come get me Jared Antonio, right, So
Speaker 1: I mean you can you can go get some veteran plays.
Speaker 1: You can get some guy, you know. So if if
Speaker 1: you Gallop's not gonna be ready week one in my opinion,
Speaker 1: so he's not ready to go, Maybe you bring back
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, who knows, we'll see there. He might impress
Speaker 1: hisself albums. But if you got Ceedee Lamb, you add
Speaker 1: someone else here on a one year deal who can
Speaker 1: catch some footballs from Dak Prescott in an offense that's
Speaker 1: put up numbers here. I think they could go and
Speaker 1: get someone and you know, maybe you spend the second,
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round round a wide receiver. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like the Cowboys from a from a defensive
Speaker 1: standpoint could use another player in front seven. And the
Speaker 1: offensive line needs to get fixed. Yeah, the offensive line
Speaker 1: definitely definitely needs to get fixed. And when you're talking
Speaker 1: about those receivers later in rounds that you know kind
Speaker 1: of became, you know, really good receivers, you know, they
Speaker 1: got some pretty good quarterbacks behind them. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at Aaron Rodgers who he made Alan Lazard, and
Speaker 1: you got Josh Allen making Wilson Gabriel. I think he
Speaker 1: was at four touchdowns in that playoff game. So they
Speaker 1: got some great quarterbacks back there to help them out.
Speaker 1: The question I got to ask both of y'all is
Speaker 1: do you think Dak Prescott can be that quarterback that
Speaker 1: elevates gonna half the fifth round, sixth round receiver being
Speaker 1: something good you that he like? He said, I feel
Speaker 1: like he has to be, especially in this league that
Speaker 1: it is today, Like it's the quarterbacks that really drives
Speaker 1: the franchise, you know what I mean. And if you
Speaker 1: want to have a great franchise, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: depend on your quarterback to be that player for you.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to be yeah, yes, and what again,
Speaker 1: I go across this league. I mean DK mccalf was
Speaker 1: the first round pick. Tyler Lockey wasn't pick. They played
Speaker 1: well in Seattle. Keenan Allen, it's not that standing career
Speaker 1: with the charges. He wasn't a first traffick was No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't not a first round like all the top
Speaker 1: ruthiers out there. Tybreek Kill not a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, look that there's some good players who are,
Speaker 1: but it's just you can win in this league without them.
Speaker 1: You have to have a you know, number one in
Speaker 1: terms of a wide receiver. It's very true. There's so
Speaker 1: much of it is about the system, so much about
Speaker 1: the system and how you're using Terry mclaurina and in Washington,
Speaker 1: I think he's a really fine receivers. He's another guy
Speaker 1: who's who's a second round pick. So you can you
Speaker 1: can go get some dudes. Well, let me rephrase it, then,
Speaker 1: can we win with this system that we have as
Speaker 1: an offensive system? You've won, you've won? What are you
Speaker 1: going to win? A championship? That's to that and that's
Speaker 1: the that's the goal that you know, every you know,
Speaker 1: not just just getting to the first round or getting
Speaker 1: to the second round. Ain't gonna be ain't gonna cut
Speaker 1: it here. Thirty two Church, thirty four, you're thirty four.
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate. Okay, So for twenty six years there
Speaker 1: was those thirty four. They haven't won it, they having anything.
Speaker 1: They're going on twenty six years, Church, But most of
Speaker 1: your life, at least get today. They round. They've been
Speaker 1: in the desert most of your life, searching, searching, searching, flash.
Speaker 1: That's it. What the Lombardy is. You've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of mirages here and there. Nothing too. So so when
Speaker 1: people ask me to do these radio shows and they'll
Speaker 1: ask me about, you know, the Cowboys championship, I'm like, why, dude,
Speaker 1: why why do we talk about? How about this? How
Speaker 1: about just get to a championship game? That's all, you know,
Speaker 1: just just get out the divisional round because they haven't
Speaker 1: been able to do that. I mean, to talk about
Speaker 1: championships is to me, it's just kind of crazy because
Speaker 1: they've been so far from it. So the question is
Speaker 1: not you know, it's truly do you have a championship office?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. And clearly the owner
Speaker 1: put the bulls eye on the head coach get done
Speaker 1: this year. And that's another of the how you can
Speaker 1: you put all this pressure on McCarthy. It didn't take
Speaker 1: away his number one receiver, you know, but what but
Speaker 1: what did he do with the number one receiver last year?
Speaker 1: That's true because he wasn't They didn't let him call
Speaker 1: the place. But but still still overall, do you feel
Speaker 1: like Amark Cooper was used properly? How many times did
Speaker 1: we do the players show? Okay, okay, okay, So so
Speaker 1: how do you go in there and beat the table
Speaker 1: down and say, hey, man, I need to do for
Speaker 1: one point three million a game, not really using it,
Speaker 1: you know, not getting up de hoop numbers. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not Jordan Jefferson in Minnesota. I mean you know.
Speaker 1: So so you start to look at this and it
Speaker 1: gets tough. But this is the National Football League, man,
Speaker 1: you're got you know, he's not the only coach going
Speaker 1: in the next year that's gonna hate feel it heat,
Speaker 1: but do something. That's why if I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm
Speaker 1: going into this thing. If I'm going down, I'm going
Speaker 1: down swinging. I'm calling to play. Give me the play
Speaker 1: call sheet. You know what I need to, I need
Speaker 1: all that I need all give it to me. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go down for somebody else. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to. And I feel like that's the hardest part
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys with Jerry Jones and the family, just
Speaker 1: because they are like their business. It's a business. They
Speaker 1: make money and each year the Cowboys make more money
Speaker 1: than anybody anybody, and that's there and it comes from
Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, I mean, that's that's how that's how
Speaker 1: we're slated. We're here to make the money. Is it's
Speaker 1: really about to win in the games or is it
Speaker 1: about making more money? So when you do it like that,
Speaker 1: it's like you have to give the give the coaches
Speaker 1: and the people the power to make those plays, make
Speaker 1: those decisions, put their ownership on them too, so they
Speaker 1: can that you can fire them and then get rid
Speaker 1: of them. And if they're not doing what they need
Speaker 1: to be doing what I mean. Okay, Now, now I've
Speaker 1: heard this same thing when I've done interviews across the country.
Speaker 1: I'll come back into this, Anthony. Jerry Jones gave Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy a heck of a roster last year. You're in
Speaker 1: a division that was not good that you swept. Okay
Speaker 1: swept the division. Okay score average forty points against NFC's teams,
Speaker 1: twenty six points against anybody else. You got a home game,
Speaker 1: you're a spot against the Niners who walk out with
Speaker 1: a huge boom box in your building to go take
Speaker 1: the field. You put your office out on the field.
Speaker 1: Niners smacked that down to three plays. They go take
Speaker 1: the football on office and they go right down in
Speaker 1: the mouth with a quarterback with a bad thumb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got but fourteen sum odd penalties in the football
Speaker 1: game played like played and then with two forty two
Speaker 1: to goal, you gave your quarterback, who he gave all
Speaker 1: that money to the football with an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: down the field and win it. He can do it,
Speaker 1: and then the clock ran out. How much is that
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and family, and how much is that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and his staff. I wouldn't look. I'm not putting
Speaker 1: anything on Jerry Jones and the family. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it'sh rolls downhill, you know, I mean, it starts from
Speaker 1: the top. And if your main concern is your main concern,
Speaker 1: then and if you're getting that done, then you're winning,
Speaker 1: so it's not really you know, I mean, you have
Speaker 1: to change what the But you've won. Okay, my thing?
Speaker 1: You won. Okay, they had a winning team last year
Speaker 1: and you won the East. But the goal is not
Speaker 1: to win the East. The goal is not to control
Speaker 1: that section. The goal is to be the best team
Speaker 1: in NFL. Right, yeah, I mean so, and that started
Speaker 1: with you facing San Francisco, right and the team Okay,
Speaker 1: McCarthy comes out to about we were nervous. Who now
Speaker 1: that could be that's on the head coach, penalty on
Speaker 1: the head coach, quarterback, hand the ball to the to
Speaker 1: the center, not to the best moments. Those are the
Speaker 1: players that you're putting out, like who's who's who's drafting
Speaker 1: the players, who's putting the putting the team together? Where
Speaker 1: is the where's the real ownership of the team? Who who?
Speaker 1: Who runs the team? Okay, great, great point. And I'll
Speaker 1: say this draft, I don't I don't have any complaints
Speaker 1: about what the Cowboys do in terms of training. Their
Speaker 1: drafts are good. When you talk about looking at Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl players and homegrown Pro Bowl players, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league of drafting. Now
Speaker 1: here's a question I have. I look at the z contract.
Speaker 1: You gave ninety million dollars and set them our for
Speaker 1: a running back, and then you hire the head coach
Speaker 1: who wants to throw the football boys. That right there,
Speaker 1: to me doesn't make sense. That's a bad that's a
Speaker 1: bad allocation of resources and service. You know, what are
Speaker 1: we doing here? But it's Hill House. It's a house divided, yeah,
Speaker 1: because because it's like it's you know, it's Kelly Moore's
Speaker 1: scheming system. But he has a shield in Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: in front of them down now taking the bullets. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's here's my theory. Here's my theory on the
Speaker 1: Kellen more than Okay, Mike McCarthy got turned out by
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Browns, and you apply for the
Speaker 1: job here, and you know, the Jones has told you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like Keller Moore. They really like Kelly Moore.
Speaker 1: So what did my mccarths. I was gonna hire Keller
Speaker 1: more or wherever I went because I like Keller Moore.
Speaker 1: So you say, what job? Like I said, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here to myself. And then the whole
Speaker 1: offseason the first year to about we need to get
Speaker 1: run you know, we need to get some run balance here.
Speaker 1: And so here's McCarthy basically saying, hey, man, stop throwing
Speaker 1: the ball so much. And then if you listen to
Speaker 1: McCarthy you could hear at times he was like, can
Speaker 1: we run the ball here? Because Kellen Moore like cam City,
Speaker 1: you get to pass happy here and so there I
Speaker 1: have a point of the same thing with Wade, Wade
Speaker 1: and Garrett and it's been what it it's been like
Speaker 1: stop trying to say it is what it is, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like it starts from there to go like, bro,
Speaker 1: that was so bad. That was so when when when
Speaker 1: Jason didn't take that job and he got the new deal,
Speaker 1: you saw the riding on the wall, and now you're
Speaker 1: seeing the whole point right about, Hey, here's dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Apparently dan quinn contract is really rich that you got
Speaker 1: to stay and now you got the head coach running
Speaker 1: around on rich ties and about you know, man, I
Speaker 1: don't like talking about Sean Payton. So take that point
Speaker 1: of it is they have created a circus on that end.
Speaker 1: Why don't he take the reins? That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like if if you're a head coach, I'm not going
Speaker 1: down for someone else's failure to produce. Like if it's me,
Speaker 1: I gotta go out. Okay, you're you're the offsta cor
Speaker 1: Did you come to me with a scheme? Right? I
Speaker 1: see what you got going on. But I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: the plays. I'm gonna, you know, dictate how the game flows.
Speaker 1: But with him, it's just like, yeah, man, you know
Speaker 1: there's Kelly. If you're gonna call it, all right, he's
Speaker 1: calling it and he got the little you know, facing
Speaker 1: over his face or whatever. But to me, if I'm
Speaker 1: going down, I'm going down swinging with my own play
Speaker 1: calls and if I feel I'm gonna feel on my own,
Speaker 1: not somebody else's failure. And then we all lose it. Dance, man,
Speaker 1: he gotta take the reins this year. He got to
Speaker 1: got to he's got to find a way. He's gotta
Speaker 1: find he gotta find a way to get in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gotta find a way. That is a very good
Speaker 1: point right there. You better find find a way and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe call but you override it. No, we were
Speaker 1: running on a third dawn right right, you're running on
Speaker 1: the Saint No suggestion we're running on third da. It't
Speaker 1: forced the hand, like if you if you get like
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell him like this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do, then you get then you're forcing management to
Speaker 1: say no, you know, give it back to Kelly. What
Speaker 1: you can do? Yeah, yeah, he could do that. When
Speaker 1: I would talk to Gary Patterson when he was coaching
Speaker 1: and TCU and he ran the defense, but he would
Speaker 1: tell his offensive coordinators, Hey, um, I want to run
Speaker 1: the ball on third down or we're inside the red zone,
Speaker 1: you know what, we need to take some shots running
Speaker 1: the ball. So he would tell his coordinators, hey, look,
Speaker 1: this is what I want. I remember going back into
Speaker 1: and you guys were little little little puppies back here.
Speaker 1: But nineteen ninety two NFC Championship game, San Francisco gets
Speaker 1: close and Dallas has the ball and instead of just
Speaker 1: running out the clock, Jimmy Johnson tells because north Turns says,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? He says, I want
Speaker 1: to win a game, And so north Turner throws the slant,
Speaker 1: hits Alvin Harper. He runs down there for for about
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yard game and the Cowboys would end up
Speaker 1: running the football in Mmy Smith scored the touchdown. They
Speaker 1: went a super Bowl, so Jimmy decided I want to gamble,
Speaker 1: but Jimmy had input on what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So so to me, if Mike, if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: call the plays, be up in there with some heavy
Speaker 1: suggestions about what it is you want. Don't be nice.
Speaker 1: Stop being nice because if not, either Sean Payton or
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn we'll be coaching that team next year, not you.
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Speaker 1: about the players Barry Church for m Dallas Cowboys safety.
Speaker 1: You got Anthony Spencer form first round pick up the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I'm NEWI scrugs. All right. We get a
Speaker 1: lot in ours in the first half, so we got
Speaker 1: another thirty minutes to go. Here, let us dive into
Speaker 1: a guy that I've been wanting gone for a bitty No,
Speaker 1: Greg's are line? Greg the leg? Hook them loud? Greg, Man,
Speaker 1: it's six extra points. This year they saved two point
Speaker 1: two five million dollars, So he's gone the game a
Speaker 1: three year, seven mill over seven million dollars to be
Speaker 1: their kicker. No, um, sorry, do you think they'll bring
Speaker 1: him like coming and then bring him back on the
Speaker 1: lower Hello? You see that looking at man? The frustrations
Speaker 1: zerline Gay Cowboys Nation for that year was this is
Speaker 1: where Mike was. This is where Mike McCarthy need to
Speaker 1: step in and tell Bone. I know he's your boy,
Speaker 1: but I need my job. That's what need to duck. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I got sharks circling the water right here, man
Speaker 1: shot painting over here. I got a damn quinn right
Speaker 1: behind me. I mean, ain't no, no, no, no, your
Speaker 1: boy ain't no So right now we don't have any specialists.
Speaker 1: You do you yo, well, you don't have a long
Speaker 1: sent too. You've got you got you shout out the
Speaker 1: LP man where he got help come on through, Um,
Speaker 1: you do have a kicker. And where they signed Chris,
Speaker 1: they signed Chris Nagar from uh It's it's a r
Speaker 1: R n be good in a gard Nagar Please? You
Speaker 1: had any makes a rap videos in The Cowboy and
Speaker 1: the boss Man, Fat Man an fat Oh, so that's
Speaker 1: your field goal kicker? He was. He was a lou
Speaker 1: Gross Award UM finalist, didn't win it, but he was
Speaker 1: over smu Let the American and in kicking now and
Speaker 1: it takes me back to when Dan Bailey was here.
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey was another guy Oklahoma State. UM. He might
Speaker 1: have won the Gross Award, but he was definitely a
Speaker 1: finalist for it. Um it ended up having a good
Speaker 1: having having a good career about five years there where
Speaker 1: he was top. Yeah, he was automatic. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: when uh Kai for Bath came through here. Kai was
Speaker 1: over at UCLA, another another dominant kicker, and I remember
Speaker 1: um Dan beat him out and then he went up
Speaker 1: to Washington and was around for a little bit. So
Speaker 1: so these guys who were in this gross award of conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, give him an opportunity and they can kick.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not the first place they're kicking it maybe
Speaker 1: the second place. But but overall, I say this to
Speaker 1: you know what, Zeroline had his time move on older
Speaker 1: player dealing with injuries here. So maybe Nagar's demand, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. But but the opportunity, it's the
Speaker 1: cowboys man, and go go find somebody. Somebody will kick
Speaker 1: for you. And I know people loved to sit up
Speaker 1: here and say, well, you know on the street for
Speaker 1: reason that you know, this is different different with kickers
Speaker 1: like that, Like even with Dan Bailey, he was here
Speaker 1: for a while, then we let him go and he
Speaker 1: went somewhere else in minnes So he performed there for
Speaker 1: a long time. So they lose that little bit of
Speaker 1: confidence or what. Yeah, it's like a golfer's golfer exactly,
Speaker 1: Like you can start hooking them, hooking them left. I
Speaker 1: try to find ya, try to find a way to
Speaker 1: get it back. And then both yeah, Bones mentioned the
Speaker 1: whole golf thing with with com he compared the man
Speaker 1: it was that week before the playoff game. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's close, he's about to get there.
Speaker 1: I feel like like And I asked her, I said,
Speaker 1: you're about to go to a playoff game, and you're
Speaker 1: saying you think your kickers clah. I mean, what kind
Speaker 1: of confidence you got in that job's on the line.
Speaker 1: We think, yeah, like Crosin ready to go. And that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing about football, man. You gotta stay consistent.
Speaker 1: Like being consistent football is probably the hardest thing but
Speaker 1: the most important thing. And you gotta have that with
Speaker 1: in every position, most part. You know. He said that,
Speaker 1: and then he was like, well, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: like golf, and you know, and he's like, it's like
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. And I said, Tiger Woods, the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: dude looking like Ricky Fowler out here looking like Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: Ricky ain't got no majorsg man, got no majors up
Speaker 1: in here. And uh yeah, he did make the fifty
Speaker 1: one yard or in the playoff game. We all forgot
Speaker 1: about it, but um yeah, but he had so many
Speaker 1: misses along the way. I go back to think he
Speaker 1: misses miss Tampa Bay. You lead four points out there
Speaker 1: in the game, you lose by point. Then the Raider game.
Speaker 1: He's shooting games where where you needed your guy to
Speaker 1: do his part, not a hard part, just to do
Speaker 1: his partners and he could not do that. So Greg's
Speaker 1: arline cut Brian Anger the punter. Uh, he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: probably not bringing him back here. That's a bowler too.
Speaker 1: You know, I really wish that they could figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get him back because he was a weapon.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about flipping fields. Man. He was able to
Speaker 1: punt it from the twenty and down and on the
Speaker 1: opposite ten and that you know, that helped the defense
Speaker 1: out a lot. Yeah, because you know, eventually, like he's like,
Speaker 1: our defense was so turned over hungry this year. Eventually,
Speaker 1: if they got the long drives, offense might make a mistake,
Speaker 1: and that defense was able to capitalize on the soul.
Speaker 1: Anger he did a hell of a job this year
Speaker 1: penning those teams down deep. But like you said, I
Speaker 1: doubt they'll be able to bring him back man. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you guys play defense, and I think in the
Speaker 1: league now where everybody wants to go for it. This
Speaker 1: gives Mike McCarthy an excellent opportunity many times to say,
Speaker 1: you know, let's just kick it. We'll kick it because
Speaker 1: this guy flip the feel. Let's sending our defense out
Speaker 1: here and make someone. I don't know why you got
Speaker 1: these coaches now who don't want to make somebody go
Speaker 1: seventy and sixty five yards. Never the first first drive
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, O Zach with the Bengals gonna
Speaker 1: go for it like the forty eight forty year and
Speaker 1: didn't get it. What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Game changing and just looking at it?
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at this thing. Let it's a super
Speaker 1: Bowl with man the first quarter. Mamber No, you got
Speaker 1: top man kick it, make them go down. But yeah, analytics,
Speaker 1: everything and everything everything, and analytics got you got you
Speaker 1: watching the confetti for them instead of you getting it.
Speaker 1: Blake Darwin uh tight and cut Blake had hip surgery
Speaker 1: saves three point eight million dollars in cap space. Then,
Speaker 1: um another reason they could cut Blake jars because they
Speaker 1: decided to franchise Dalton Schultz free agent tag for a
Speaker 1: tight end ten to point nine million dollars, placing eleven
Speaker 1: million dollars for Dalton shots. You're feeling on that on
Speaker 1: those two moves oh uh, cutting cutting the injured player. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you could do that. They'll, they'll, they're
Speaker 1: they're going to work on the injury settlement. But he's
Speaker 1: so he's going to recrup somebody. But yeah, they let him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you putting the franchise tag on players
Speaker 1: that's been in your system, you know what they can do.
Speaker 1: You believe in them, you have confidence in them being
Speaker 1: able to do what they've been doing. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a good move by them. So it's yeah to me,
Speaker 1: I I was, you know, I like what Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: brings as far as you know, he's that, he's that
Speaker 1: you know, complimentary guy. He's that that kind of security
Speaker 1: blanket for Dak Prescott out there when things are break down, Oh,
Speaker 1: let me find him. He's there, he's gonna make um.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he's the most dynamic tight
Speaker 1: end out there. I think he's very witt and esque
Speaker 1: as far as you know, yards after the catch and
Speaker 1: very he just sounded what he's supposed to do. He's
Speaker 1: not a great blocker. I mean we've seen that, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the entire year. He's not a great blocker. So
Speaker 1: he's more of a receiving tight end. But he's not
Speaker 1: a dynamic receiver. He's not a Kelsey, he's not a
Speaker 1: you know, the guy from San Francis Kitto. He's not
Speaker 1: one of those type of gas or Darren Waller that
Speaker 1: you can split out and he can, you know, make
Speaker 1: defenses paid if you put the wrong guy. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think he benefits more from the scheme. But if
Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, put scheme over players like this
Speaker 1: organization has basically said they're gonna do by getting rid
Speaker 1: of their number one receiver and basically saying the scheme
Speaker 1: is over the players, I think he fits well in
Speaker 1: this scheme and he could he could be productive. But
Speaker 1: to me, with that franchise tag, I think that just
Speaker 1: keeps him off the streets, and I think they'll try
Speaker 1: to rework some deal to get him out of lower
Speaker 1: cap number. But you know, I think overall it could
Speaker 1: be a solid move for the Cowboys. By the way,
Speaker 1: just to clear it up here story of here on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys that come by being wave slash injured. Jarwin
Speaker 1: qualified for an injured injury settlement with the team, which
Speaker 1: allowed him to recoup some of his burning so he'll
Speaker 1: be able to get paid. But the Cowboys saved roughly
Speaker 1: three point eight million dollars in cap space while carrying
Speaker 1: a charge of only two million dollars. If you don't
Speaker 1: give Shultz the tag, you're gonna allow him to get
Speaker 1: to the market. So if the market's eleven million dollars
Speaker 1: and you've got teams who have some flush cash can
Speaker 1: need a tight end, you're probably going to Lucy. And
Speaker 1: then what other options did you have if you've Jarwin's gone,
Speaker 1: Shultz is gone, Sean McKowen, yeah, or Sprinkle, But yeah,
Speaker 1: we know we can't go. You can't go into the
Speaker 1: season with those being your starters. So you don't have
Speaker 1: to give Sholts a long term deal. You don't have to.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't anticipate Shultz doing the DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams and say, hey, I ain't playing a no franchise
Speaker 1: to He's gonna take. He gonna take all that he
Speaker 1: might might be hit day, go ahead, that paper work
Speaker 1: at right, He'll put this right here and then go
Speaker 1: back and play some more video games after dat. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So, I mean guy went to Standford. He
Speaker 1: ain't gonn sitting around here and turn down and let me.
Speaker 1: Now let's I mean, might as well take it. But
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys, I think that's a smart move
Speaker 1: considering you're letting Cooper go. So so let's at least
Speaker 1: have the tight end that we know our quarterback has
Speaker 1: a report or report with and our coaching staff knows
Speaker 1: and understands. Yes, he's got some limitations in blocking, but
Speaker 1: this now falls upon them as an organization. Go find
Speaker 1: someone block. Hopefully Kellen can get him getting right. But
Speaker 1: so so Spase, you you had the franchise tag was
Speaker 1: two years? Two years? Like, how did that process work?
Speaker 1: Like I never got the opportunity to go to that
Speaker 1: franchise and how how do that think work? So like
Speaker 1: when when you were going through it, you know, how
Speaker 1: did that work for for your situation? I was trying
Speaker 1: to get a long term deal. I wanted to finish
Speaker 1: my career here. We just getting CI to I like
Speaker 1: I thought, I believe that was one thing and they
Speaker 1: believed that was another thing. So it worked out in
Speaker 1: the because I ended up making what they were trying
Speaker 1: to sign me for my signing botus for the first
Speaker 1: year and then the next year I get ended up
Speaker 1: getting signed it again. So I had like a guaranteed
Speaker 1: me three years for I want to say, thirty million.
Speaker 1: I made the eighteen and the two years that I
Speaker 1: got franchise, and I got guaranteed those two years guaranteed.
Speaker 1: If I could do it again, I probably would took
Speaker 1: the long, longer term deal, seeing what happened with my
Speaker 1: injuries and all that type of stuff. So but it
Speaker 1: was a it was a frustrating time for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't believe him. Yeah, So more Cowboys news to
Speaker 1: get into here, jay Ron curse safety free agency. So
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, I'm that's one. I'm surprised that they didn't
Speaker 1: reach out to and try to get something on the books.
Speaker 1: So maybe they have, you know, maybe they haven't. We
Speaker 1: haven't heard him it yet. But to me, he was
Speaker 1: one of the more important players on this defense last year.
Speaker 1: You know, he had the green dot and you all
Speaker 1: you know about the green dot. Thatt means you gotta
Speaker 1: get everybody on the defense aligned and community Hayden and
Speaker 1: ready to go in on the same page. And I
Speaker 1: feel like he did a great job of that, and
Speaker 1: it also allowed we talked about it in the previous shows.
Speaker 1: It also allowed Michael Parsons to become just a sea ball,
Speaker 1: go get ball. He didn't have to worry about, you know,
Speaker 1: lining people up and getting the calls from the coaches.
Speaker 1: He just heard what he had to do hard. Let
Speaker 1: me go get ball, Go sea ball. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Curse and plus Curse played, you know how
Speaker 1: that kind of heck of a season he was. You know,
Speaker 1: he was part of one of the man reason that
Speaker 1: they were able to play so well on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. So I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: with all the cap space they kind of freed up,
Speaker 1: if they didn't, you know, reach out to him to
Speaker 1: try to get him done. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the more important players on his defense. Yeah, most I
Speaker 1: feel like having those guys out there that can communicate
Speaker 1: to the rest of the defense, like it just it's
Speaker 1: something that you just don't see, like those those intangibles,
Speaker 1: like with Cooper, like the double teams and things that
Speaker 1: he was bringing, Like those are the things that you
Speaker 1: don't see, but it makes the team better and you
Speaker 1: can't you there's no analytics for that exactly, there's no
Speaker 1: stat for it, so you can't really judge it. But
Speaker 1: it's very it's it's it's invaluable. Yes, I would agree.
Speaker 1: So this may be a case and the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done this before. All right, see what you can get
Speaker 1: and call us back, because while curse has value here,
Speaker 1: this is value translate to other teams in the same way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of a scheme guy because we
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen he's been in the league within
Speaker 1: like six years now. Detroit Ministry, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're good. So so that's the that's the interesting type
Speaker 1: of situation here, and it will be one thing. Let's
Speaker 1: say dan Quinn left, or let's say dan Quinn got
Speaker 1: the job in Denver, got the job in Chicago, then
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different story because then maybe they're bidding
Speaker 1: on it. But since dan Quinn is back and no
Speaker 1: one else of significance from the defensive coaching staff has
Speaker 1: gone anywhere else, so maybe no one else views him
Speaker 1: in that fashion. So so letting him go out on
Speaker 1: the market and see what he can get. I could
Speaker 1: understand that that thought process. Bobby Wagner's name has come
Speaker 1: up a whole lot of Seattle. Let him go. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who I believe will at least
Speaker 1: be on the ballot list for the Pro Football Hall Fame.
Speaker 1: He's done. I don't know if he gets in, but
Speaker 1: but you gotta gotta at least has to be in
Speaker 1: the conversation Luke's getting in. If Luke Keith Lee isn't,
Speaker 1: he got to because they were on it. They were basically,
Speaker 1: for you know, eight years, the two best linebackers in
Speaker 1: the national football and that's Keith. Lee's another interesting guy.
Speaker 1: He's just just you definitely have on the ballot, gets
Speaker 1: in the conversation, getting in as a whole as d
Speaker 1: Ware We've seen that's a whole, another another, it's a
Speaker 1: whole another special. But at least have your ain't talked
Speaker 1: about to get on the list. Definitely that kind of
Speaker 1: player here. A lot of folks want Bobby Wagner here,
Speaker 1: but let's be up, there's not a lot of catch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna cost It's gonna cost you. I mean
Speaker 1: just with with the the championships that he's won, the
Speaker 1: experiences that he has, the knowledge of the game. I
Speaker 1: mean that those types of things, those those can be measured.
Speaker 1: So you'll definitely have to pay for that. And he's done.
Speaker 1: He's been in like you said, he's been in a
Speaker 1: Quinn system before when he was a d Q or
Speaker 1: DC over in Seattle, So he knows the guys system.
Speaker 1: He can come in. He could take a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure off of those guys, but you know, getting them
Speaker 1: lined up and the direction he can play beside Parsons,
Speaker 1: or you can move Parsons down to the defensive line
Speaker 1: let him do having there. So it's a veteran guy
Speaker 1: that a lot of people on this young defense can
Speaker 1: learn off of. I'm a big proponent of leadership and
Speaker 1: what else guys bring to the room. And Bobby Wagner
Speaker 1: walks in with a ring and to put a Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner next to a Michael Parsons the kind of leadership
Speaker 1: he can learn from because we've seen what Mica has
Speaker 1: done in terms of going to your old teammate DeMarcus Ware,
Speaker 1: you know, and just just learning from that. And even
Speaker 1: take Launce with his career turn around going and talking
Speaker 1: to a DeMarcus Ware. So you're bringing a guy like
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner man. You know, there's the price that you
Speaker 1: pay for the player, but what kind of benefit do
Speaker 1: you get when a great young player watches a guy
Speaker 1: who's got a Hall of Fame like career on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. I go back, and this is just me.
Speaker 1: The biggest mistake Bud Adams, the late Bud Adams made
Speaker 1: when he owned his football team, was drafting Vince Young
Speaker 1: but cutting Steve McNair. What he should have done was
Speaker 1: keep Steve McNair there and have Vince Young learned from
Speaker 1: Steve McNair, because the problem with Vince Young was never
Speaker 1: the problem. Problem was just he didn't know how to
Speaker 1: be a pro the way you needed to be a pro,
Speaker 1: and to watch a guy like McNair do it. Because
Speaker 1: Vince had a hell of a lot of respect for him.
Speaker 1: I thought that was the thing that he could have done.
Speaker 1: But you tried to save some money. Here, you save
Speaker 1: some money, but Vince was Rookie of the Year and
Speaker 1: they want a playoff game. But still what he could
Speaker 1: have learned from watching a pro. I just believe you
Speaker 1: look at Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers learned from me. You
Speaker 1: got to see what it was like for Brett Farker.
Speaker 1: I mean, people right now talk about taking somebody in
Speaker 1: the first round for a quarterback. To me, I go
Speaker 1: over there at Green Band. Here's a two. Give me
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Geordan Love been watching Aaron Rodgers before I
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks I see right now they talk about drafting
Speaker 1: like he's got question marks before I deal a question
Speaker 1: mark there, go give me Jordan Love. Has been in
Speaker 1: the league two years, who when Aaron Rodgers was sitting out,
Speaker 1: got to run the off season program and just give
Speaker 1: me that guy. I just think there's something to be
Speaker 1: learned from from great players. But you guys played so
Speaker 1: no better than me. Whether that guy's I feel like
Speaker 1: it's it's the most important thing for a young player
Speaker 1: to do is to find an older guy that's been
Speaker 1: in it for a while and just to see their routine,
Speaker 1: the things that they do on a weekly basis, how
Speaker 1: they recover, how they get ready for the game, and
Speaker 1: how they perform during the game. You like, those things
Speaker 1: all go hand in hand. So having somebody in the
Speaker 1: locker room like that, like the Greg Ellis and the
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Wars and the Jason Wittens, like those guys are
Speaker 1: you can't you can't, you can't pay enough for him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Greg Ellis, boy, you talk about the guy who's just
Speaker 1: steady every day. Man. I love GREGI gret greg Ellis
Speaker 1: was and I know people consistently talk about how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys took him and stead of Randy Moss. But UM
Speaker 1: tell you what, you if you could draft a Greg
Speaker 1: Ellis on your football team every year, you'd be a
Speaker 1: really good football team for a long time. Effect because
Speaker 1: because this guy every I love what Mike Zimmers, I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about him on game day. He's
Speaker 1: gonna do his job. He's he's gonna be where he is.
Speaker 1: And when you get a guy like that, like a Wagner,
Speaker 1: it holds the defensive accountability. Let me, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: these penalties that we we've seen happened throughout the season
Speaker 1: and came to bite us in the butt, you know,
Speaker 1: during that playoff game. You know, I think if you
Speaker 1: got a guy with his resume and in just his stature,
Speaker 1: he'll get after guys and hold him accountable. And guys
Speaker 1: are like, you know, hey, we can't make this situation
Speaker 1: because or make this situation worse because we're hurting the team.
Speaker 1: And if you get that type of leadership out there
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the football, I think they
Speaker 1: have it. You know, in that offensive line and some
Speaker 1: of their veteran players, but on the defense, it was
Speaker 1: relatively extremely young. I mean, you had the dlogue, you know,
Speaker 1: but he was hurt the majority of the year, so
Speaker 1: hard it's hard to have that that that if you're
Speaker 1: not out there playing. It's hard to tell a guy voice.
Speaker 1: Hard to have a voice when you're not doing it. Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, let's spend our last ten minutes of
Speaker 1: this players Podcast brought to you about hotels dot Com
Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line. Lell Collins reportedly told by
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys he can seek a trade. So, um
Speaker 1: Collins if he's a post June one cut saves um
Speaker 1: ten million dollars under the twenty twenty two cap here.
Speaker 1: They clearly love Terrence Steele. So at this point in time,
Speaker 1: I just feel once they come, once they come telling
Speaker 1: you to go seek a trade, they or they ask you,
Speaker 1: yeah right, we we we got other plans. So your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Collins not being here to me, He it's
Speaker 1: kind of a sicky situation because he has no one
Speaker 1: to blame pretty much back but himself, because you know,
Speaker 1: if he would have come came back, didn't that whole
Speaker 1: situation where he got suspended for five games and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. We would have never heard about Terren Steele.
Speaker 1: You know, if Terren Steele played the year before and
Speaker 1: he didn't play at a very good level, and if
Speaker 1: Collins was here, we would have never seen Terren Steele
Speaker 1: in this whole situation might not have ever happened. So
Speaker 1: to me, you know, Collins has to blame a little bit,
Speaker 1: has to put the blame on himself or being in
Speaker 1: this situation. But for me, it's I'm confused because I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, you know, Collins asking him to seek a trade.
Speaker 1: What about Tyren Smith? Like, you know that he's been
Speaker 1: a very very great player for a very long time,
Speaker 1: but these past three seasons he's missed on average five six,
Speaker 1: you know, seven games out there, and no one's you know,
Speaker 1: asking this guy to you know, hey, we need you
Speaker 1: to you know, you know, we work this deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have a high cap hit because
Speaker 1: he's sound that super team friendly deal. But are you
Speaker 1: really gonna count on, you know, ten games every year
Speaker 1: from your starting left tackle or do you think you
Speaker 1: should put something in there or somebody in there to
Speaker 1: you know, help bolster that line or at least give
Speaker 1: him some competition to where he's a made man. I understand,
Speaker 1: but but it's like the team like Jerry Jerry. These
Speaker 1: left tackles under Jerry Man, they're made man. And you
Speaker 1: may say, man, I'm ready to move off. He probably
Speaker 1: held on the flozelle two three years longer than he
Speaker 1: needed to. But that's how Jerry feels about these left tackles.
Speaker 1: So you, you and mccrai need to move off there.
Speaker 1: But who do we go through if he goes down
Speaker 1: for five hiring is here? This is about Collins and
Speaker 1: then feeling that they've got sick down to second over there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but at this point in time, here's
Speaker 1: what we do know. They liked tearing steal Sealfully, so
Speaker 1: he played well at right tackles and when they tried
Speaker 1: him at left it wasn't the same. He's a right tackle,
Speaker 1: so they're going to say right tackle, we'll move on
Speaker 1: from Collins. College is not a left If College is
Speaker 1: a lefty, they'd be talking about it. They don't feel
Speaker 1: as a left tackle, they don't feel as a guard,
Speaker 1: talked about the bend on it. So so they're going
Speaker 1: to move on from Collins, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: they can get, but in this league, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you Cincinnati Bengals, why not offer up a two. Your
Speaker 1: dude just got thirty one sacks nine, right, I mean right? So,
Speaker 1: I mean if you, if you are the Bengals, what
Speaker 1: are you waiting on? You should have been that you
Speaker 1: should have been you haul on down here to come
Speaker 1: get him and taken. They're gonna get another skill player?
Speaker 1: Why point? I mean right now? I mean that that's
Speaker 1: that's the key. You know, you you may have won
Speaker 1: a super Bowl if you could have protected your quarterback here.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a market for college Denvers, a
Speaker 1: team that was rumored out there. We saw what they
Speaker 1: did when they got ron Leary. Ron Learry left left
Speaker 1: because because they got Collins and Ron Leary had a
Speaker 1: he had a really nice career up in there. And
Speaker 1: then for so to me, somebody's gonna get college, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a motivated player. I can't imagine this is
Speaker 1: not embarrassing to him that your team's basically giving up
Speaker 1: on the secret trade. You lost your job to undraft
Speaker 1: to do from Texas Tech. You gotta look at it.
Speaker 1: I mean when he even when he came back, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like his job was back immediately. I mean he
Speaker 1: had he was playing fullback for you know, a game
Speaker 1: or two. So it just goes to show you what
Speaker 1: this what the team really thinks about you. And if
Speaker 1: I'm him, I'm saying, Okay, you know, let me see
Speaker 1: what my markets like out there. You know, obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not valued here. And but like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: he has no one else to blame but a self.
Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts on this whole offensive line? You know,
Speaker 1: how they you know, basically we're playing fantasy football, mismatching
Speaker 1: people here and there. We had some weak links. YEA,
Speaker 1: the line is aging, So it is I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot for the last two I would say years.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're living off the hype of the
Speaker 1: three previous Yes there, they're living off of that thinking
Speaker 1: that they were what they weren't. So and this this
Speaker 1: game has a way of showing you who you really are.
Speaker 1: So and that's really what's happened over the last two years.
Speaker 1: And they they have to find some way to be better,
Speaker 1: be more consistent, be more available, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you're saying with tires like they got, they gotta
Speaker 1: find players that are going to be out there and
Speaker 1: consistent because those those groups they work as one. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have to have that that continuity to be able
Speaker 1: to move those other big lining on the other side
Speaker 1: of the ball. So it's it's it's I feel like
Speaker 1: they're in a really tough spot. They got a few
Speaker 1: different positions that need to fill up there, and they
Speaker 1: need backups behind those glass They are going to be hurt.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's tough. It's real tough, you know.
Speaker 1: So they gotta they just gotta find a way. And
Speaker 1: and having tiring, I feel like it's a good thing
Speaker 1: just because of the player that he has been and
Speaker 1: like we were talking about early, like he's been in
Speaker 1: those games he's been, He's gone up against a lot
Speaker 1: of different types of players, so his mind is a
Speaker 1: little bit higher up than where his body probably is
Speaker 1: right now. But he has that knowledge that he can
Speaker 1: distill onto those players, you know what I meant in
Speaker 1: presence exactly, And like you said, we still playing on
Speaker 1: the right side. He can't more to the list side,
Speaker 1: like it's a whole another monster over there. But just
Speaker 1: being able to do those Yeah, I mean being able
Speaker 1: to go over there and and lose, but you still
Speaker 1: get better by playing on that side and then going
Speaker 1: back to this side. I mean, so it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, yeah, but Collins next guy to probably
Speaker 1: be going, and with the league year coming up here,
Speaker 1: I could see something getting done and obviously teams somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna want him. Oh yeah. I mean, if you're trading
Speaker 1: Cooper for for twenty million dollars, this guy's making ten.
Speaker 1: He's a starter in the league. There's just too many
Speaker 1: teams who have offensive line issues at so I expect
Speaker 1: a deal to go down for him, and to me, um,
Speaker 1: I would need a three or four from the Cowboys least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some type of value, you know, don't let him just
Speaker 1: walk out the door. Yeah, brings something back to the
Speaker 1: table and something. Yeah, if he's gone, right tackle, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm pursuing. You know, Connor Williams is gonna be
Speaker 1: gone in free agency, that's sure. What right guard or
Speaker 1: left guard? Left guard? So, I mean, what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do that center? Do we believe? Be honest? Is
Speaker 1: the answer? At center? You know, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of question marks on this offensive line
Speaker 1: up front, a lot of them. You gotta shure that
Speaker 1: up before the season starts because that's probably, if not
Speaker 1: the most important, one of the most important positions field.
Speaker 1: Look that this is this is an off season of
Speaker 1: a lot of change, and they're making moves and we'll
Speaker 1: keep talking about it right here on the Players Line podcast.
Speaker 1: But there's so much to go. You got Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: who's back. I couldn't believe I've seen that yesterday. Hey man,
Speaker 1: hey man, do tire that car line school? Were tired
Speaker 1: to picking them kids in that car? Or so because
Speaker 1: many parent teach conferences for two weeks, wife to put
Speaker 1: him to work. So you know what I'm going I'm
Speaker 1: going back. I've spent more time with my kids and
Speaker 1: then they need to be put for what I gotta do?
Speaker 1: What again, the Dad's Club? Why do I need to
Speaker 1: join the Dad's Club of school? Yes? You do? Um? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: put these kids asleep? What I'm going back? Yeah, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady said. But the Cowboys are going to face the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers Jerry World this year. Deshan Watson is going to
Speaker 1: uh apparently entertain some meetings Trump Carolina and New Wills.
Speaker 1: He's got a non compete. Um, Carolina, New Orleans, bring
Speaker 1: Peyton back in New Orleans, NFC East, I mean she
Speaker 1: said NFC teams. Philadelphia is the name of another NFC team.
Speaker 1: So here's the sean in AFC. It could be popular
Speaker 1: with this way here. So it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see where the FC is loaded with quarterbacks. Now that
Speaker 1: you got Russell Wilson, Hustle, Joe Uh, Joe what's his
Speaker 1: name not Joe Brady, Joe Burrow Burn Rulson, I mean
Speaker 1: got my homes? Yeah, geeez. Uh, by the way we did,
Speaker 1: we didn't we talk about Connor. Connor Carson wentz coming
Speaker 1: to me. He's back. He's bad, He's bad. Literally, are
Speaker 1: the commanders the command commanders? So first off, all right,
Speaker 1: So I was looking online and it showed that the
Speaker 1: Vegas odds for Washington went down. They went down Vengas.
Speaker 1: Oh this, dude, Yes, that's how that's how little they thinking. Man,
Speaker 1: this odds went down. Um. I just don't understand how
Speaker 1: you can commit twenty six million dollars to a guy
Speaker 1: who who you keep asking him about a year that
Speaker 1: he had one he had one good year, one good year,
Speaker 1: and you still holding onto that like, man, we think
Speaker 1: he can go back get that one good year. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. He wasn't even the quarterback for the whole year.
Speaker 1: Was he got hurt. And that's the thing I can
Speaker 1: crack up on me. Where who else do we in
Speaker 1: the talking about? Hey man, you know he was good
Speaker 1: that one for five years. We think we can get
Speaker 1: that one good you? No, No, the dude who said
Speaker 1: I can make him that guy again? Just sit you
Speaker 1: gotta go right, I mean even Frank right you no, No,
Speaker 1: I understand he pretty much melted down those last two games.
Speaker 1: But the season he had a decent season twenty seven
Speaker 1: and seven? The old did you hit older? He's like,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody coming back here who ain't vaccinated? You know
Speaker 1: who he was talking about, Carson Wentz, the GM up there, Well,
Speaker 1: we gotta look at all options. So the GM is like, man,
Speaker 1: g a GM is basically he did it. That was
Speaker 1: Frank's guy, So Chris Ballard right, So Frank like, hey man,
Speaker 1: I did I mean basically he came out there said
Speaker 1: I stuck my neck out for here. Now, when you
Speaker 1: say I stuck my neck out for you, it's always
Speaker 1: with like, hey man, you saw I stuck my neck
Speaker 1: out for you. You git me like nobody ever says
Speaker 1: and in a positive way. He man, suck my neck
Speaker 1: out for you. Didn't do it the negative. Hey man,
Speaker 1: it's just how you do me right here for you.
Speaker 1: Yet you gotta look at him. At the same time, though,
Speaker 1: it's like, how many quarterbacks are there out there that
Speaker 1: have that that? I mean, just that miss Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: They tried and they missed him. Okay, but for twenty
Speaker 1: six million dollars, Oh yeah, that's stepkay. But that's what's
Speaker 1: the average? What the what the thirties thirties the quarterback
Speaker 1: with what they what they making this year? I mean
Speaker 1: they average and thirty, But just dude, it ain't no thirties.
Speaker 1: It's underneath that. Plus plus you still have to give
Speaker 1: up picks. Yeah, you're given up at least two threes
Speaker 1: for a dude. That all right? See Spen, this is
Speaker 1: me when you're a boy who stuck his neck out
Speaker 1: for you. He one year and he liked that. The owners,
Speaker 1: I mean too many people were like, nah, man, he
Speaker 1: gotta go right, I can't do it. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you don't, we've seen folks mess it together. I mean
Speaker 1: fine called jameis winstay. I mean it's people you can
Speaker 1: call thirty not a lot, That's all I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a lot. The quarterback class this
Speaker 1: year is not as strong as it's been in years past.
Speaker 1: New Orleans got they paid James one five last year
Speaker 1: one five. Don't look at that. Don't five million on
Speaker 1: one like run down? I can't. I'm understand, man. I
Speaker 1: mean you know, okay, yeah, I come back. You gave
Speaker 1: up at least a three year. Why don't you calling
Speaker 1: Green Bay for Geordan Love He don't have he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that. You got the resume, you don't have the
Speaker 1: proven he hasn't been out. There was Carson showing you.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's showing you. He did go
Speaker 1: twenty seven for seven, he won the six million dollar.
Speaker 1: You can't beat Jacksonville last game of the year, last
Speaker 1: game of the year to those last year. No, we
Speaker 1: need this right going to the playoffs. Jacksonville a hard
Speaker 1: place to playoff. Yeah, it is a hard place. What
Speaker 1: I expects to win the twenty six I did win
Speaker 1: one year. There did y'all was following you? We did?
Speaker 1: We did and then the next year we was transh
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