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Speaker 1: boys are in school. I'm talking about Connie Debate. Why

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Speaker 1: Everyone who lives on Birchfew Drive in Ellington remembers that

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Speaker 1: in the world that you could comprehend it. December twenty third,

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Speaker 1: You see it on TV the movie sitcoms, but you

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Speaker 1: for Connie's friends, like Russell Stone, life was never quite

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Flex Nation in series six,

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Speaker 1: sim one eleven. You know this woman, Connie Debate. Her

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Speaker 1: No rape, no robbery, and Daddy somehow lives to tell

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Speaker 1: the tale. Richard claims that a masked intruder, Mmm, here

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Speaker 1: Richard Debate told Connecticut police a terrifying story about the

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Speaker 1: Debate told police his wife came home during the intrusion.

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Speaker 1: the problem, Richard. The husband calls the cops and tells

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Speaker 1: He claimed the masked intruders sounded a lot like Van Diesel.

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. The fitbit. Listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, forensics psychiatrist and MD Ashley Wilcot lawyer

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter joining us Nanette. What does a

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Speaker 1: I hear a motive, Nancy? This guy really is an idiot.

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Speaker 1: relationship issues, Debate told a detective that Connie had wanted

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