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Find out 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: how to protect your child when you're out of the 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: mall or the store, or the grocery, in the parking 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: lot at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: even online. I'd rather have that any day of the 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: week than a plastic toy or god forbid, a toy gun. 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Join Justice Nation. Go to crimestops here dot com Crime 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace today how you fitness tracker technologies 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: helping police catch criminals. Kelly Heron was viciously attacked while 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: running last year in Seattle. Luckily she survived. Her story 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: spread around the world when she posted this map from 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: her cheapest fitness tracker that shows the intensity of her 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: struggle during the attack. And we look what happened here right. 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: We took eight minutes, by the way, because she was struggling. 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: She runs in here to go to the bathroom. This 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: is the struggle for eight minutes that could have cost 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: her her life. You are hearing our friend doctor Oz 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: talking about my new hero, Kelly Herron, a marathon runner 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: who was attacked in a bathroom, a lady's bathroom as 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: she is practicing, as she is training for her marathon 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and her fitness triker Man. You should see it. Oz 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: put it up on a screen. You can see that 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: screen at crime online dot com and you see her 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: fitness triker. It's like somebody took a magic marker and 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: just like a little kid and just scribbled violently all 41 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: over the page. That's Kelly fighting for her life and 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to Doctor Oz, I got to meet the runner 43 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: who fought back and lived to tell the tale. Kelly Herron, 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: who is with me right now. I mean, see Grace, 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, 46 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer advocate. You can find 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Karen Stark, renowned to 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: New York psychologists, joining me from Manhattan. She's at Karen 49 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Stark dot com. And with me my new hero, Kelly Harron. Kelly, 50 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: it was such a great privilege to get to meet 51 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: you at Doctor Oz and I was just riveted on 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: every single thing you said. You know, I've covered Kelly 53 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: so many cases. In fact, in my new book, I 54 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: am writing an entire chapter about women exercising and how 55 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: to be safe and researching for that has really brought 56 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: back so many cases I've covered that I prosecuted as 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a prosecutor of women out minding their own business exercising 58 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: when they are attacked and murdered. Names that we can 59 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: all remember, like Molly Tibbitts, Karina Vitrano, There's so many. 60 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: It just goes on and on and on. Kelly Heron 61 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 1: somehow managed not to become a statistic and I gotta 62 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: excuse me, Kelly, I'm kind of cherry choking up here 63 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: because sitting beside you on Oz's couch and looking at you, 64 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: listening to you tell your story, the thought that you 65 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: almost lost your life that day is very upsetting to me. 66 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: And I want you to start at the beginning and 67 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: tell everyone what happened and how you managed to be 68 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: with me today. Thank you so much, Nancy. I was 69 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: training for my first marathon in March of twenty seventeen. 70 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: I was running along a public park in Seattle. It 71 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: was the middle of the afternoon on a Sunday. Not 72 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people at the park. I was about 73 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: four and a half miles in stopped to use the restroom. 74 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, there was a transient Level three sex 75 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: defender hiding in a stall. Karen Stark, New York psychologist, 76 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: that is a recurring dream I have. I have a dream, 77 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's from all the years 78 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I prosecuted cases of joggers women being attacked, or cases 79 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: that I prosecuted that occurred in bathrooms. But this dream, 80 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: I go into a bathroom and I opened up a 81 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: stall and there's a dead body in there. It's a 82 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: horrible dream, horrible and I have it over and over 83 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: and over. That's exactly what happened to Kelly. She goes 84 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: in and in one of the other stalls is a 85 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: sex offender just waiting, probably you know, with his feet 86 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: up on the commode in the next stall, so she 87 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: can't see feet in their Karen, you know none of 88 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: the surprises me. Nancy. You were a runner. I was 89 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: a runner, and I don't know if you're still running, 90 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: but there have been times in Central Park where I 91 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: would stop to go to the bathroom. And what a 92 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: story to everybody's worst fear. And I think of you 93 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that you actually had a fiance who 94 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: is murdered in the phone booth in a type space 95 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: like that, Your recurring dream makes perfect sense to me. 96 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: But Kelly, how terrific that you were able to be 97 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: smart enough and a learn enough to fight back that 98 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: you took that course. And women need to know about this. 99 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: It's so important, you know. That reminds me. When I 100 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: finished her story, Karen, I want to double back with 101 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: you about post traumatic stress disorder and how that affects people. Hey, Kelly, 102 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: you said something on Doctor Oz it really stuck in 103 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: my mind. When you went in there, did you get 104 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: a sixth sense of foreboding? I did not. However, when 105 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: I was drying my hands, which is when he crept 106 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: out of the stall behind me, I got a chill 107 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: right up my spine at the back of my neck. 108 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Was that before you saw him? Before you saw him? 109 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: It was okay? Back to you, Karen Stark, and then 110 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: I'll follow it with Ashley. Karen, I have said a 111 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: million times and a right about it as well in 112 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: this new book, don't be a victim fighting back against 113 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: America's crime wave that don't ignore these hunches, these feelings. 114 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: They're not hunches. They're not people mock women's intuition. That's bs. 115 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: It's real, and it is born of thousands of years 116 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: of evolution of things that you see, that you hear, 117 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: that you smell something. You know. We have our senses, 118 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: but there's also a sense that's now being studied, and 119 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: it's the sense within you inside your body physically, a 120 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: sense within your body where your body's processing a quote, feeling, 121 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: or a hunch. So Karen Stark, before she sees this guy, 122 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: she gets a feeling and a chill literally went up 123 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: her spine. Nancy, It's so true, and I must tell 124 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: you very quickly about an incident that happened to me, 125 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: a very similar type of situation where I was doing 126 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the very thing you're not supposed to do, carrying a 127 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: whole bunch of groceries, walking down a dark alley to 128 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: my apartment, and all of a sudden of my spying, 129 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I got very frightened. I felt like something must be there. 130 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: I just had a sense of something, and I turned 131 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: around and saw a man following me, and I had 132 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: no idea if he was just somebody you strolling down there, 133 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: but I said, as she got closer to me, stay 134 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: away from me. I started screaming, just like Kelly's talking about, 135 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: and he had his hand in his pocket. He said, 136 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I want your wallet, and I just kept screaming that 137 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: I lived in the building and people knew me and 138 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: they were going to hear me, and eventually ran away. Okay, 139 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: So that feeling askey Willcott trial lawyer and judge, what 140 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: about it. I've had so many crime victims tell me 141 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: I had this feeling before anything ever happened. Nancy. You 142 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: know I've said on your show so many times. Trust 143 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: your gut and the feeling, the women's intuition, the intuition 144 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: that men can have as well. Absolutely, I believe in that. 145 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: As a judge, I see cases in front of me 146 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: where survivors will say I knew something, I felt something. 147 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: You can feel evil. I think to Kelly Haren joining me. Kelly, 148 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: so you're out training for a marathon. You stop in 149 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: a ladies bathroom, a public bathroom, and I want you 150 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: to describe it. And you use the bathroom, you're washing 151 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: your hands, and a chill goes up your spine. Then 152 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: what happened? I turn around and it is my worst nightmare. 153 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Standing right in front of me, right out of the movies. 154 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: Bad guy has a hat, has his hoodie pulled up. 155 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: And my first instinct was almost to say, oh, I'm sorry. 156 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: I think as women we just apologize for everything. But 157 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: then my brain kind of realized, oh, this isn't a woman, 158 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: this a man. This is a crazy man. And then 159 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: the smell hit me. He had been living in on 160 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: the beach, and I knew that I was in big trouble. Guys, 161 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: you've got to go to crime online dot Com and 162 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: see the mug shot of this guy. This guy want 163 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: to look at him and you know something is way wrong. 164 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: We're talking to Kelly Hearing, the female marathon runner who 165 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: innocently darts into a public bathroom and her worst dreams 166 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: come true. Kelly joined us in person now and I 167 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: want to be is weird and congraduating you. I'm very 168 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: happy you survived. Thank you. I know the track that 169 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: don't just track your steps, to track your heart rate. 170 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: What happened in addition to your steps. Yeah, it was 171 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: really interesting to look at the data. My resting heart 172 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: rate was around eighty six and I can see the 173 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: moment of the attack. It went up in to the 174 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: one forties, and then I had a huge try to 175 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: adrenaline surge at the end and it spiked up to 176 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: one sixteen. A shocking Instagram posts sending chills and inspiration 177 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: to women everywhere. It shows jogger Kelly Herron safe but 178 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: battered after a brutal attack while she was out for 179 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: a run. As he was holding me down. Reflected that 180 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Kelly Herron was four miles into a ten mile run 181 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: in his popular Seattle park when she stopped to use 182 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: a public restroom. As I was drying my hands. I 183 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: became aware that something was wrong. That's when police say 184 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: a forty year old known sex offender assaulted her and 185 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: it was a fight on the bathroom floor. All I 186 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: could think was not today expletive in joining me right now? 187 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: That woman Kelly Herron, the marathon runner who fought off 188 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: a brutal attack. If you go to crime online dot com, 189 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you will see the photos of Kelly's beaten and bruised face, 190 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: her fitness track or looking like if you look at 191 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: it on a chart, it looks like a kid just 192 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: scribbled all over the page as her pulse raced up 193 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: near two hundred fighting this guy off. Kelly Herron, tell 194 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: me about the public bathroom you darted into during your training. 195 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: It was a typical beach bathroom. It was concrete, um, 196 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you know when concrete and steel, as a result of 197 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: which I suffered some major injuries to my body in 198 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: my lumbar spine. There's there's a reason boxing isn't done 199 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: on concrete. Was it the kind that has doors or 200 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: the kind that are doorless? Yeah, there's There were three stalls. 201 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: There were two small stalls and then a large like 202 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: handicap stall and that's where the perpetrator was hiding. Let 203 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: me ask you, when you would walk into the bathroom, 204 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: was there a door going in, because you know, sometimes 205 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: you just walk in and then you turn a corner 206 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and then there's stalls doors. But to get in the bathroom, 207 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: there's not a door. There was a door on the outside, 208 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: and thankfully it had one of those latches, which ultimately 209 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: allowed me to lock him in after which was brilliant. Okay, 210 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: you dropped off talking about how you're washing your hands. 211 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: You feel a chill go up your spine, and then 212 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: you turn around and there is this guy who has 213 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: been hiding I guess perched up on that third commode 214 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: in the handicap stall, waiting for a woman to come in. 215 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: And then you walk in. What happened? Then you say, oh, 216 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Then what happens? He threw me to the ground. 217 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: And now, thankfully, Nancy, I had just taken a self 218 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: defense class only three weeks before this, and one of 219 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: the things that we learned was to project as though 220 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: you're not afraid, and that can sometimes be enough to 221 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: deter your attacker if you show them that you're going 222 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: to fight. So the first thing out of my mouth 223 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: to him was not today mother effort. I wanted to 224 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: pretend like I wasn't afraid, even though I was terrified, 225 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: and it just turned into an all out brawl. I 226 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: tried throwing elbows back at him, they weren't really landing. 227 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: The fight progressed underneath the walls of the bathroom stalls. 228 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: I finally, when I saw his face, was able to 229 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: claw at his eyes. And also in self defense, we 230 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: learned to hit with an open hand. You don't have 231 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: to throw the perfect punch. So I just started beating 232 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: him in the head with my one free arm like 233 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: my forearm, and I kicked the lock of the stall 234 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: in an attempt to kind of trap myself in one 235 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: of the little stalls. But he came in right after 236 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: me and got on top of me and started beating 237 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: me the case. And when I had kicked that stall door, 238 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: I keeped it so hard that I jammed it into 239 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the frame so it wouldn't open or close. I'm on 240 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: my back, he's on top of me. I reached my 241 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: arms up behind me on the other side of that 242 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: stall door and pulled myself out from under him. Thought 243 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: I was going to lose consciousness, got one more surge 244 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: of adrenaline and just the survival instinct kicked in. I 245 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: jumped to my feet and was able to lunch for 246 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: that front door and get out. And he never got 247 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: out of that jam stall door. What was he trying 248 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: to rob you? Or rape you? Rape me? He was 249 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: trying to rape me. He had been pulling up my initially, 250 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: he had been trying to grab at my compression pants. 251 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Thankfully they weren't going anywhere. Kelly Heron was four months 252 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: miles into a ten mile long run there in Seattle 253 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: when a man jumped her brutally in a public bathroom 254 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: along her trail. She fought back, and this experience, this 255 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: life changing experience, caused her to start not today, mother 256 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: effer intm F, and she created it. Why Kelly, why 257 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: did you create int MF? I thought it was really 258 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: important for women to know that this was my biggest 259 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: nightmare too, So I took that self defense class, and 260 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to encourage other women to prepare themselves for 261 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: a worst case scenario. As I said on Doctor Oz, 262 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: your body cannot go where your mind has not been, 263 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: so we have to mentally put ourselves in those worst 264 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: case scenarios and think about how we would react in 265 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: what we would do. I wanted to encourage other women 266 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: to do that and to let them know that we 267 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: don't have to be polite. It is okay to fight back, 268 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: and we have to fight back. Kelly. When I look 269 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: at the photo of your injuries, what happened to you? 270 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: What did he do to you? He beat me badly 271 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: in the face. Now you should see his mouth shot, 272 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: his booking shot, because I did a pretty good job 273 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: on him too, I must say. And all that's thrashing 274 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: around on that cement floor. I was bruised, just black 275 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: and blue on the whole left side of my body. 276 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: I had a lumbar spine injury that took four months 277 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: of physical therapy to work through so I could walk 278 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: properly again. You know the photo and you can see 279 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: this at crime online dot com. She's right, he got 280 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: the bat into that stick. Three years. That is how 281 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: long this already conveyd sex offender was a fender was 282 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: sentenced too in an attempted race at Seattle's Golden Gardens Park. 283 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: Kelly here and with us right now, fought off or 284 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: attack her. But she is still feeling the reverberations and 285 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: the ripples of this attack, nightmares, waking up screaming. What 286 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: did you tell the judge during your victim's impact statement, Kelly, 287 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: I told him that the last time that I saw Steiner, 288 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I locked him in a concrete room with a sink 289 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: and a toilet, and I was there to ask him 290 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: to do the same, and he did. He was given 291 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the maximum sentence. I told him about the impact that 292 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: it had on me financially, mentally, emotionally. I had serious PTSD. 293 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I woke up screaming every single night. It took a 294 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of therapy, id e edmr MVR therapy, and it 295 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: took me a long time to feel safe again, especially 296 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: you know running Hi Nancy Grace here. Have you ever 297 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: Googled yourself, your neighbors, somebody at work? A crush? Fifty 298 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: seven percent of Americans admitt keeping an eye on their 299 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: own online reputation. 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But even now 317 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: it's it's taken away. UM. Kind of that that sense 318 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: of freedom that people are looking for when they when 319 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: they run. UM. But it was the most healing thing 320 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: to give that the him impact statements, to just be 321 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: able to say everything that had been um, every way 322 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: that my life had bridden impacted. Kelly Herron, who is 323 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: with me right now, a marathon runner who was attacked 324 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: in a bathroom, a lady's bathroom as she is practicing 325 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: as she is training for a marathon. Kelly, I love 326 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: what you told the judge. I love it you say, 327 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: and I'm quoting because I've read your victim impact statement. 328 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: This moment is burning into my mind and I have 329 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: flashbacks on a daily basis. I fought for my life 330 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: as I was slammed into the ground, repeatedly punched in 331 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: the face, and saw my life flashed before my eyes. 332 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: Our encounter ended with me locking him, mister Steiner, in 333 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: that concrete room with a sinking a toilet, and today 334 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: I am here to ask you to do the same thing. 335 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: That's what she told the judge. Of course, he stein 336 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: are the perp breaks down crying and sobbing and in 337 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: front of the judge. That certainly does not convince me 338 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: that he was sorry. This was not his first time 339 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: at the rodeo. He is a registered sex offender, so 340 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: if he's sorry, he's sure isn't repenting very much. To Karen, 341 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: start explain why do people have flashbacks? But when an 342 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: incident is that dramatic, Nancy, it gets stuck in your 343 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: brain and that's just how we work biologically. Physically, you 344 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: can't do anything about that. It keeps reoccurring. So any 345 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: time that you're in a situation that remotely reminds you 346 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: of that incident, it keeps reoccurring. You have nightmares, you're 347 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: very afraid to be in the world, and what Kelly mentioned, 348 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: m DR is a terrific therapy for that. EMDR is 349 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. What it is exactly is 350 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: a type of therapy. It's fairly new, it's nontraditional, it's psychotherapy, 351 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: and it's growing in popularity in treating PTSD post traumatic 352 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: stress disorder. Research is going on, but a session can 353 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: last up to ninety minutes, and your therapist moves their 354 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: finger back and forth in front of your face. You 355 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: follow the hand emotions with your eyes and at the 356 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: same time the therapist as you recall the disturbing event, 357 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: and it will include the emotions and the body sensations 358 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: that went along with that event, and gradually you shift 359 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts to more pleasant ones. And by doing this 360 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: it helps train you automatically to get off the bad, 361 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: distru ring thoughts into something pleasant. I recall distinctly Ashley 362 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Wilcot after Keith's murder, which nearly put me under I 363 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: would get intense every time I would start thinking about 364 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: Keith's murderer. Took me about a year to do this. 365 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: I try to force myself not to think about it 366 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: because I would suddenly get horrible headaches. When I would 367 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: think about Keith's murder, I would immediately start a horrible headache, 368 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: and that would keep me. I guess, I don't know 369 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: how it happened, but it would keep me from thinking 370 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: about it, Ashley, And so yeah, absolutely, Nancy, And let 371 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: me just say this, therapy, although new, is also common 372 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: now to be used with children who are victims of 373 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: severe trauma, and it's proven very effective. But I think 374 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: the lesson in all of this that you just made 375 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: clear with that example is even if you survive and 376 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: you're not raped or you're not killed, even if you 377 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: are fortunate enough to fight back like Kelly dead with vengeance, 378 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: there are still effects. You still have been traumatized and 379 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: injured in ways that most cannot even imagine. A woman 380 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: says she was able to fight off a man who 381 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: was trying to grape her just weeks after she took 382 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: a class in felt offence. Thirty six year old Kelly 383 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: Herron says she was out running in Golden Gardens Park 384 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: in Washington State when she stopped to use a restroom. 385 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: She says that's where a masked man attacked her, throwing 386 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: her to the ground and trying to take her pants off. 387 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: And she says that's when she went into attack mode, 388 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: hitting him in the face with a hard part of 389 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: her hand, clawing at him, and screaming at the top 390 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: of her lungs, all things she learned during a two 391 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: hour self defense class she took just a few weeks 392 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: prior to this incident. She says she was able to 393 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: get away and passers by helped her block him in 394 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: the bathroom until police could come. They arrested Gary Steiner, 395 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: a registered sex offender. He's been charged with attempted second 396 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: degree raith and second degree assault with sexual motivation. While 397 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: the bruises and scrapes Herron sustained in the attack will heal, 398 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: she says she feels empowered knowing she won this fight. 399 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: For Inside Edition dot Com, I'm Matt Ramasbano. You were 400 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: hearing our friends an Inside Edition talking about the ordeal 401 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: that Kelly Herron lived through, and right now Kelly is 402 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: with us. Kelly, explain to me how you use those 403 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: defense techniques you learned just three weeks before to fight 404 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: this registered sex offender off There was nobody there to 405 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: help you in the chilling words. No one could hear 406 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: you scream. It was all all you. Yes. The key 407 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: takeaways from that class where one we've already talked about today, 408 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: which is trusting your instincts. When I got that chill 409 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: up my spine, I knew something was wrong. Every idea 410 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: I had during that fight I went with when I 411 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: locked that door, when I hit him in the head. 412 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: Number two, be loud and fight hard. To show your 413 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: assailant that you're not afraid even though you're terrified. Pretend 414 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: like you're not. It's just as good as not being afraid. 415 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: So that's why I was screaming and cussing at him 416 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: and telling him that I was going to kill him. 417 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I wanted him to know that I was not going 418 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: down easily, and then hitting with an open hand. Don't 419 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: worry about having great self defense moves or throwing the 420 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: perfect punch. You can use just hard bones on soft, 421 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: fleshy places. So anything that's hard on your body, hit 422 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: them somewhere soft on their body, hit them in the face, 423 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: and the neck, in the head, in the groin, um, 424 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: and just fight like a savage, Fight like a savage. 425 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your awesome news site and your podcast 426 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: tell me about that. It's called not today, Not today 427 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: is um, It's it's still in in process. Really, I 428 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've received so many so much praise 429 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: for what I did, and I have met so many 430 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: women who I think are just as bad ass. More 431 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: about us. I think we all have that in us, 432 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: and I really want to surface other stories of women 433 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: who who flat back. And you know, it's it's not 434 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: there is no winning or not winning, but it's just 435 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: about being where, being prepared, giving it all of your effort, 436 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: and then after going through something traumatic, what that looks 437 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: like and what we can go on to do. Some 438 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: people bounce back. I believe that people can also bounce 439 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: forward and that their lives and I think in my case, 440 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, when you go through something this traumatic, you 441 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: can go on to do incredible things because you realize 442 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: what you're made of and we have so much more 443 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: potential than we even though we are so much stronger 444 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: than we know. And sometimes it does see that near 445 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: death experience to see what we're made of Okay, I'm 446 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: not doing a plug, but I'm totally getting your T 447 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: shirt not today, mother effort and on it. It's so awesome. 448 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: It says make a statement without saying a word. The 449 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: GPS lines from Kelly's attacks, survival and her battle cry 450 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: heard around the world, and it has the lines like 451 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: I was telling about I saw on Doctor Oz. It's 452 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: so incredible. I'm totally getting that T shirt. Although my 453 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: twins are not allowed to say the effort of of course, 454 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Karen Stark is you never so long? They would say, mom, 455 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: so and so said the F word. I'm like, really 456 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: what they say? They said, Johnny's fat fat was the 457 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: F word, okay in our home, and sadly they learned 458 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: the hard way what the real F word was. To 459 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York psychologists joining us, you have actually 460 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: used that type of therapy on September eleven victims, right, 461 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: I have. Yes. I volunteered to do it and had 462 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people whom I worked with and Nancy. 463 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: It's an incredible how well it works. It really does 464 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: make a difference, and you learn to realize that right now, 465 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: at this moment, you're safe and to let go of 466 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: any kind of a traumatic experience you went through. Francine 467 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: Shapiro is the person who started it. When she was 468 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: working with veterans and they would come back. She didn't 469 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: know what to do with them, and she just had 470 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: this idea. And it's not just waving hands. You can 471 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: also flash lights, do taps, any kind of moved like 472 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: that that puts a person into a place where they 473 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: can just let go. Kelly heron how long did it 474 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: take for your body to heal and all those bruises 475 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: to go away that I'm looking at right now, the 476 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: bruisers lasted. Oh, she's probably close to a month. It 477 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: took four months of physical therapy for me to repair 478 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: the impact to my lumbar sparing and it still does 479 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: flare up so and therapy. I was in therapy for 480 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: four months. It's all four or five months now with 481 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: an incredible survival story. Somebody are sharing a jobber using you. 482 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: If she'd just learned himself to the men's class to 483 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: save her own life when she was attacked on a run. 484 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: He was He's Kina Witworth spoke with her and joins 485 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: us now from Seattle with details. Good morning, gain Larry, 486 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: Good morning Her story has a lot of women wondering 487 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: what they would do if they found themselves in a 488 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: similar situation, and that's what she wants to encourage women 489 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: to take roll so you can defend yourself if you 490 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: have to. This morning, a shocking Instagram post sending chills 491 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: and inspiration to women everywhere. It shows thirty six year 492 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: old jogger Kelly Herron safe but battered after a brutal 493 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: attack while she was out for a run. As he 494 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: was holding me down. See that. Kelly Herron was four 495 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: miles into a ten mile run in his popular Seattle 496 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: park when she stopped to use a public restaurant. As 497 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: I was drying my hands, I became aware that something 498 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: was wrong. That's why police say this man, Gary Steiner, 499 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: a forty year old known sex offender, assaulted her and 500 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: it was a fight on the bathroom floor. All I 501 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: could think was not today, Not today. M f with me. 502 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Kelly Herron my new hero, Care and Starting York psychologist 503 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: and Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer advocate. You can find 504 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley. When you hear this story, 505 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: it really speaks to women all over the world. It 506 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: does Nancy. And here's what I think one of the 507 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: most important parts that Kelly is making by advocating, and 508 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: that is be prepared, be aware unfortunately the world we 509 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: live in. Be prepared so that if this horrific nightmare 510 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: happens to you, you know what to do. Here's my 511 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: other question to you, Ashley. Why was this registered sex 512 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: offender out walking free to start with? What was he 513 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: doing out so he could pray on? Kelly? Well, you 514 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: know that, unfortunately is something that I see sentences that 515 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: aren't long enough for sex offenders and they are back 516 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: out and so there are laws to protect in terms 517 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: of they can't live too close to a school, right, 518 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: they can't be around kids, but that does not prevent 519 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: at all or protect the public from them being out 520 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: from behind bars. He got three years behind bars, Kelly here, 521 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: and that really doesn't seem like enough for an already 522 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: convicted sex offender who tried to rape somebody else in 523 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: a public bathroom. That doesn't seem like enough to me. Kelly. 524 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and sadly that was the maximum. That 525 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: was the maximum sentence. It was an indeterminate sentence, which 526 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: meant I was going to have to go back every 527 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: three years and plead to the board to extend his 528 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: sentence until basically he died. We were talking about Gary Steiner, 529 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: the convicted sex offender who was walking free and attacked 530 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: Kelly Heron as she went into a public bathroom. You know, 531 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Karen Starr, It's a phenomena that I write about in 532 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: my new book, Don't Be a Victim, finding back against 533 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: America's crime wave. The number of attacks that occur in 534 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: public bathrooms. That's part of why you had that dream, Nancy, 535 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: and that why it's reoccurring, because you have to be 536 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: really careful. But the thing I think that women should 537 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: take away from this more than anything is to trust 538 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: your instincts. If you think it's not safe, if you 539 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: have a feeling, if you have a hunch, to really 540 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: pay attention and understand that if you scream out and 541 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: defend yourself, if you're not polite, if you take that risk, 542 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: you can save yourself. To Kelly Heron with me right 543 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: now now, an icon and founder of a new podcast 544 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: and website, Not Today, m F. Kelly, what's your message today, 545 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: not only to women all around, but to girls. It's 546 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: scary to think about the worst case scenario, but we 547 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: cannot turn a blind eye to it. We have to 548 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: keep our head on a swivel. We have to know 549 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: what we would do in a worst case situation. And 550 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: if you find yourself in that situation, never give up. 551 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: You have to just keep going and believing yourself and 552 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: just give it everything you have and just do not 553 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: stop fighting. Get out of that situation no matter what 554 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: it cakes. I guess you have to be ready to fight. Listen, 555 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: this happened to me in the middle of the day. 556 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: It was a Sunday afternoon. So you always need to 557 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings and be prepared, but not 558 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: live in fear. Yeah, so I didn't think about you 559 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: know what I was going to say. When I said that, 560 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: It just came out of me and I meant it, 561 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: and through those words, I was able to manifest that curse. 562 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: You can't put a timeline on recovery. I was like, 563 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to go outside, I'm going to take care 564 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: of myself, did all those things, and I still wasn't 565 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: feeling it. It's not supposed to feel like homework or 566 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: like chores, you know, it's supposed to be freeing. I 567 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: don't think that fear should hold anyone back from doing 568 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: the things that they love and running where and when 569 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: and with whom they want. The reason that people are 570 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: drawn to my story is because they want to believe 571 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: if they were in a situation that I was in, 572 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: that they could have survived. And I believe that they 573 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: could have as well. Killy here and thank you so 574 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: much for being with us, along with Karen Starr and 575 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off Goodbye friend.