WEBVTT - 2025 NFL Draft Preview 

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<v Speaker 1>And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone?

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<v Speaker 2>I am Bucky Brooks and this is Moved the Sticks

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm joined by my guy Lance Zeroline, the man

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<v Speaker 2>who does everything for the website as related to providing

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<v Speaker 2>all the profiles, breaking it all down. How many profiles

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<v Speaker 2>do we knock out this year?

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<v Speaker 1>We only got to like four forty five? My editor

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<v Speaker 1>said he did. He said, don't write guys that can't

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<v Speaker 1>get drafted. I don't want to have to edit them.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I don't want to have to write them,

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<v Speaker 1>so bet, and we're on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you gotta love that. I appreciate all the

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<v Speaker 2>work because that is man laborious. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>like forging and something profiles, that's you know what I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna tell you. The sneaky tough part is I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>tape and uh late October for some of these prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>and then early November, and there's two things that are

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<v Speaker 1>really tough. I'm gonna start with the easiest one, where

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<v Speaker 1>you think you have a player based on tape, you

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<v Speaker 1>know his speed or this or that or length or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you get the measurements or you get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're half to wait til Pro Day for some

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys to run. Xavier's Restrepbo ran a four

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<v Speaker 1>eight forty. I gotta go back and change part of

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<v Speaker 1>my my scotter report to reference his speed, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to put that in there, And truth be told, Bucky,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. He probably doesn't get drafted with a four

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<v Speaker 1>eight forty. That's not say he can't make a team,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's real hard for teams to, you know, get

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<v Speaker 1>on board with drafting a shorter slot receiver with a

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<v Speaker 1>four eight forties all he has to his name. And

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<v Speaker 1>so going back and you know, re relooking at and

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<v Speaker 1>retouching up some of the some of the scouting reports,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the strengths and weaknesses I wrote up after

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Day's one thing. But I'll tell you what else

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<v Speaker 1>is tough. I wrote Josh Simmons and he was out

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<v Speaker 1>for the year. So I wrote him in late thirty

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<v Speaker 1>late November, early December, and I run him up. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is athletic. I like him. I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>him a sixty two that means kind of an average

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<v Speaker 1>starter grade, kind of a two basically. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>finish up the whole class. By the time I'm done

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<v Speaker 1>with the whole class, and you go back and watch

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Shimmons and you get your bearings under you about

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<v Speaker 1>what it all looks like, and you read, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get recentered. I went and watch him the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, this guy is easily a high sixty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's easily the most he's the most talented tackle

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, easily the most talented tackle. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>different when you watch a guy, you know, in November

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<v Speaker 1>before you've really got a good feel of the whole class.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember, I'm hitting start again basically in October November,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I don't really look in June or July

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<v Speaker 1>like I used to because I just found that it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of was a waste of time. I get an idea,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to. I don't want to cloud

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<v Speaker 1>my process with bias. You know, just looking back at

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<v Speaker 1>some of these guys that like Josh Simmons, that guy

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<v Speaker 1>should be a top six pick realistically, but he's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be. You know, Walter Nolan's got some maturity issues.

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<v Speaker 1>That guy's a top ten pick realistically.

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<v Speaker 2>You took me to where I want to go. It's

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<v Speaker 2>time for the winning combination, brought to you by Low's

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<v Speaker 2>and Lance. Like, I kind of wanted to have that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation because what I like to do to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep myself honest is like I read a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that is on the internet, and someone that

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<v Speaker 2>recently posted kind of like a composite of like they

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<v Speaker 2>talked to a bunch of different scouts and coaches about

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<v Speaker 2>the guys and the names that you know, they made

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<v Speaker 2>a top one hundred and so I always kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like to look at my list compared to somebody else's

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<v Speaker 2>list to see if I had did I have any

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<v Speaker 2>egregious errors? Am I missing somebody? And on this list

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<v Speaker 2>they had Walter Nolan at six And at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of last week I brought walteron Nolan up on path

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<v Speaker 2>to the draft because I kind of dug into his

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<v Speaker 2>background and excuse me for not knowing this, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was the number one recruit in the class when he

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<v Speaker 2>came out, like the same class as Travis Hunter. Walter

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<v Speaker 2>Nolan was number one. So then I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, Like I saw the talent. I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at my notes. I liked what I wrote, I had

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<v Speaker 2>him in my like top fifteen. But I'm looking. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>let me go back and look at Texas A and M.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, oh, whoa, Walter Dolan kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>that that get down. And then you go and you

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<v Speaker 2>look at him play at Ole Miss and you see

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<v Speaker 2>first step quickness, hand you said, you see the penetration.

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<v Speaker 2>You see him flash dominance where he has some takeover

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<v Speaker 2>the game ability. And unfortunately, I would say for us

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<v Speaker 2>in the TV world, man, sometimes we get roped into

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<v Speaker 2>having the same conversations about the same guys, and we

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<v Speaker 2>neglect guys that should have more conversation. And my goal

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<v Speaker 2>this week on Path was, hey, man, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation about Walter Nolan being a legitimate guy

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone is kind of pencils in. Mason Graham is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson Milla six, Jackson Milla five, Mason Graham firsty tackle boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Walterton Nolan's gonna go a lot higher than people think.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing I've got him regardless of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like people I talk to at A and M

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<v Speaker 1>said high high maintenance, got some high maintenance stuff to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and look I've been told he is gonna fall. Realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>he's ahead of Coaston Loveland. I've got him fifth in

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<v Speaker 1>this class. You just turn on the tape and watch tape.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't go in any other direction other than Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan is a top defensive tackle on the draft, you

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<v Speaker 1>really can't. I like Mason Graham. He plays hard, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he's, you know, kind of a standard

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<v Speaker 1>hard playing defensive tackle that some shorter arms can't really

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<v Speaker 1>long limb his way around guys. As a rusher, Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan is explosive on all three downs. Walter Nolan is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that can disrupt on first, second, or third down.

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<v Speaker 1>He's you know, he's long, he's quick, he's he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>very physical and aggressive. If we just work off the tape,

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, he does deserve a lot more conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I think some of the I think some

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<v Speaker 1>of it is driven by the fact that he may

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<v Speaker 1>not be a top you know, a top ten, top

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pick, even though his play warrants it. But we

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<v Speaker 1>had this conversation with Jalen Carter. You know, Jalen Carter,

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<v Speaker 1>we had plenty of conversation about Jalen Carter and he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up going tenth. Like Walter Nolan, You're right, we haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, truth be told Walter Nolan, James Pierce, James

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<v Speaker 1>Pearce yep, and uh, you know Will Johnson because he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't he never ran, so there's gonna be a question

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<v Speaker 1>about his speed. And I'm missing I'm missing one more,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's Josh Simmons. Man, these guys right here you

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<v Speaker 1>could be looking at you know, I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen Will Johnson, but the other three there's maturity issues,

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<v Speaker 1>some character concerns, whatever the case may be. I mean, realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>those are top I mean we're talking about tops six, eight, twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I ask you this, Bucky, let me flip

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<v Speaker 1>it on you. When as a team do you say,

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<v Speaker 1>are you comfortable enough with my room is strong enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Even if this guy's mature or whatever. Like everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>a different standard or a different breaking point. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really curious when somebody says, man, I'm I'm drafting the

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<v Speaker 1>talent and we will, we will work on getting a

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<v Speaker 1>good mentor with this guy. We're going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>plan for him. Because those three guys, I just mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>and Will Johnson is a speed thing, so that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. That's real, real first round, high end

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<v Speaker 1>talent that may slip to the you know, the back

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<v Speaker 1>half of the first round, which is crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here's the thing, and here's the challenge on

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<v Speaker 2>our side, right, So a lot of times we're tasked

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<v Speaker 2>with lisk and I just realized that I got to

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<v Speaker 2>do a mock draft today, so I flow through that

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly and get that done. So but lance is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I'm always pretty resolute that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be able to look back at my

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<v Speaker 2>list in three or four years and be able to

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<v Speaker 2>own whatever I put out there in terms of top fives,

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<v Speaker 2>how I got them ranked or whatever, and ignore because

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<v Speaker 2>it's easy on our side to get caught up in well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want the list to reflect what the draft looks

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<v Speaker 2>like in terms of win guys come off the board.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the way that it should be done.

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<v Speaker 2>That all of this should be done is in three years,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we expect this guy to impact the league?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the line of demarcation when we're great thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy is our expansion expectation for how the player

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<v Speaker 2>is going to play by the end of his third

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<v Speaker 2>season in the league. And those guys that you believe

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be stars lack of Jalen Carter. We

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<v Speaker 2>always sit here and talk about, Man, Jalen Carter should

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<v Speaker 2>be the first player in the draft. All the other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff clouded us. And so what has happened for Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Carter since he's shown up at Philadelphia. He looks like

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<v Speaker 2>the best defensive tackle in ball and that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>grades should have been. It's not really our job to

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<v Speaker 2>deem people for the character stuff, right team's job. My

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<v Speaker 2>job was talking about, well, look, he may fall because

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<v Speaker 2>of his character, but this is the player. The player

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<v Speaker 2>is this and everyone has a different level of tolerance

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<v Speaker 2>for character issues and those things. But as you talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the guys that you name, Nolan, Pierce, Simmons, Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>all the excellent players, all the worthy of being top

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<v Speaker 2>twelve players based on what they put on tape. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the other stuff someone else can unpack that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>talent is certainly there. And I feel like for some

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys, man, look, James Pears has become almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a bad word on TV, even though on our

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<v Speaker 2>side we don't have anything to document why he's falling.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And I you know, I keep my grades

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<v Speaker 1>separate from the character stuff. Now I will change round

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<v Speaker 1>projections because that's supposed to be where I think you'll

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<v Speaker 1>go based on league intel. But I mean, i've got

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<v Speaker 1>James Pearce, a is a sixty four, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>true first round player. I've got Josh Shit, you know, Simmons.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of late. Like I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote him too early. Frankly, his grade should be higher,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to change it. But I got

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<v Speaker 1>him at a borderline first. But I mean, frankly it should.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my grade should probably be a six four eight,

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<v Speaker 1>which would put him in the neighborhood maybe even higher.

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<v Speaker 1>A sixty five, which is a boombus number because of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some character or whatever. But I've got Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan up there, I've got James pears like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mess with I typically don't mess with that stuff because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, I've got to just watch the tape

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<v Speaker 1>and put the information that's out there on the tape

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<v Speaker 1>because I know everyone's going to be reading it. And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say? I got to say strengths and weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can put something about character concern and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe my grade, maybe it could be altered a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but typically I don't like whatever I see on tape

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<v Speaker 1>is what I see on tape. And you're right, TV mainstream,

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<v Speaker 1>big TV shows, it's a lot of Shador Sanders talk.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is Shoudre Sanders is probably not one

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, I don't know if any of

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterbacks are a top ten player in this draft,

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<v Speaker 1>but guys, we're talking about our guys who are top

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<v Speaker 1>ten talents in this draft though, and they're not talked

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<v Speaker 1>about much.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing that is irritating. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>that has been irritating about the process. And this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like a thing where we're airing out grievances.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's be real. Like we've talked about Camboard and

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<v Speaker 2>the way that we've talked about him, the way we've

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<v Speaker 2>put him up there, he's gonna go number one. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think everyone should understand cam Ward is not the

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<v Speaker 2>best player in this draft. Like whether you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Son, Abdua Card or whatever, Ashton Gitty, whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>like they are multiple guys that are better players, better

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<v Speaker 2>prospects than cam Ward. He may be the first quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>to go and we're going to celebrate him and give

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<v Speaker 2>him his flowers as that. But when we're grading the

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<v Speaker 2>player for the player, there are other players that are

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<v Speaker 2>look at the front of the line when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to cam Ward. And let's also talk about this because

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<v Speaker 2>of the Shudur Sanders thing or whatever. And even though

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<v Speaker 2>I had him rank like him and cam Ward, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I get the same grade. I just have a preference

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<v Speaker 2>for Chadur over cam Ward. But let me be honest

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<v Speaker 2>about my grade when it comes to Schaduur in camp

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<v Speaker 2>both of them, I gave bottom of the first round

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<v Speaker 2>grades And the reason why bottom of the first round

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<v Speaker 2>because it's hard to talk about like on TV life

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the first round. That means you don't like him. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it means what I'm saying is solid starter. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>it means. It doesn't mean that I believe that he

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be an All Pro, superstar, Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Famer or whatever. It's a solid starter grade. And you're

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation with Ballard or Ryan Poles or anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>the league would tell you, look, man, your great is

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<v Speaker 2>to reflect how you expect them to play, and if

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<v Speaker 2>we're being true to the process. Look, if you told

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<v Speaker 2>me that Shadur Sanders were drafted twenty six by the Rams,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's actually perfect because that's where he

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<v Speaker 2>would be graded at. In most years, he's graded bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the first round. The Rams are picking there he

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<v Speaker 2>would go. If he was twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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<v Speaker 2>That's perfect because I would say the great reflects where

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<v Speaker 2>he goes. Where teams mess up when they draft people

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<v Speaker 2>much higher than the value or the talent that the

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<v Speaker 2>player brings out. And I know on TV we mess

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<v Speaker 2>up and we cloud the minds of fans by saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>people get pushed up. No, they shouldn't get pushed up.

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<v Speaker 2>If a player is not a blue chip player, you

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<v Speaker 2>cannot take him in a blue chip position because it

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<v Speaker 2>throws off everything when you get down the line and

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<v Speaker 2>you start talking about expectations and those things. If you

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<v Speaker 2>take an average player in a blue chip spot in

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<v Speaker 2>three years, you're like, man, we mean we took him

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<v Speaker 2>third overall. He's not giving us because he never was

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<v Speaker 2>that player.

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<v Speaker 1>Never was that. Yeah, I took a lot of bullets

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<v Speaker 1>in my starting a round in the second Monk. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched all these guys and I'm like, man, NFL team,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go with what I see because I

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<v Speaker 1>trust what I see. And I put Shador once. I

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<v Speaker 1>had him falling in the mock past a couple spots,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that time Raiders were a potential and Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>But I you know, the second Monck is before free agency,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, man, if these teams tighten

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<v Speaker 1>it up with free agent quarterbacks, he's gonna fall because

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<v Speaker 1>the great the tape doesn't say you draft him this high.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I had him slide down. I had the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns jump up and grab him at twenty nine. Woh woh.

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<v Speaker 1>The Internet was not happy with me for doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just had to be real because that happens

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Sometimes guys get drafted earlier. The next one,

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<v Speaker 1>I put him at twenty four. This last one, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably putting them at twenty one with the Steelers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because you know, you have to find

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. There's a long history of passing, Like can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine passing on Abdull Carter and someone are going

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<v Speaker 1>to argue the Titans are doing this. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>could make this argument. You're passing on Abdul Carter, You're

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<v Speaker 1>passing on Travis Hunter, Yeah, Cambell, you know, or Shador

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<v Speaker 1>or any other court Jackson Dart, any other quarterback. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think with the NFL, Brian Billick, I've said this

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<v Speaker 1>story before. He's made the comment before. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the room and he was talking, he said, as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you draft the first round quarterback, the hour

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<v Speaker 1>glasses turned over on your job, and if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>develop that quarterback, you and your general manager get fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually the head coach for sure, will get fired. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>at GM. And he said, you know, Kyle Bohler got

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<v Speaker 1>in you knowing nothing against Kyle Bowler, but he said,

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<v Speaker 1>we drafted Colin the first. And his whole point was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're comfortable taking a player with the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth pick, you should be comfortable take a quarterback. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be comfortable taking them with the fifth pick,

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<v Speaker 1>because either way, you're gonna get fired if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>develop them. And I thought that was interesting. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>would also say, now, wait a minute, who are the

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<v Speaker 1>guys were passing on in the draft. If we were

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<v Speaker 1>to take a guy number five. So I just think

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<v Speaker 1>that this draft, very very rarely have I had quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence would be the one time, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been I think, kind of average so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Very rarely have I had quarterbacks as the very best

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<v Speaker 1>player in the draft to be hot Garrett Tekwon Barkley.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's rare to have quarterbacks who are actually on

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<v Speaker 1>film the best players.

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<v Speaker 2>It is rare. And we talk about the value of

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<v Speaker 2>the position, and that is the other thing when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to it. Lance we talked about first round quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 2>versus not. We did all the research and what was

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to me, like since twenty fifteen, over the last decade,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about Pro bowlers. Nineteen Pro Bowl quarterbacks were

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<v Speaker 2>first round picks from twenty fifteen to whatever. Nineteen Pro

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<v Speaker 2>Bowls are taken in the first round in rounds two

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<v Speaker 2>through seven. Four quarterbacks pick two through seven have only

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<v Speaker 2>made four Pro Bowls. Second round pick was Jalen Millroe.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventh round I think was Brock pretty Garnermentshew, No, not

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<v Speaker 2>Jaylen Melville, Jaylen Hurts, yeah, Jalen Hurts, sorry, Yeah. Garna

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<v Speaker 2>Minshew was a Pro Bowl, he counts in that. Brock

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<v Speaker 2>Perty would count that. But that's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we start to have these conversations and we

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<v Speaker 2>always get to it right Like on TV, we talked about, like,

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<v Speaker 2>hey man, who's the second round guy that you can

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<v Speaker 2>get nobody like because the odds suggests that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen if they're not graded as a first

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<v Speaker 2>round talent. The odd suggested they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a player that really makes a dent in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>And this year reminds me of the twenty the Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>Pickett year where we talked about these guys Kenny Pickett,

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond Rhader, Malik Willison, whoever else was in that class.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, somebody's going, oh, somebody's going no crowd. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Crown was the one. And so I say this

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<v Speaker 2>to you to remind me, hey man, grade the player

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<v Speaker 2>for the player and live with the grade. It is

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<v Speaker 2>un likely that if there's someone that doesn't pop for

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<v Speaker 2>us when we're looking at quarterback, it's unlikely they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>pop in the league like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Bucky, I had done this a ten year study,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're talking a lot about kind of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that I did. So here's the number.

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<v Speaker 2>Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>You either think they're a starter, and if they're a starter,

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<v Speaker 1>you're really risk your job you put them in a

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<v Speaker 1>first That's what it is. Over the last ten our

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<v Speaker 1>last ten drafts, thirty five first round quarterbacks, fourteen third rounders,

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<v Speaker 1>six second rounders, and the second rounders. As you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts, but you got Christian Hackenberg, Kyle Trask in

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<v Speaker 1>the second round. Will Levis like, it's it's a dead zone. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a time in the what was it the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen draft. I think it was where you had Jimmy Garoppolo,

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<v Speaker 1>you had Derek Carr. That was a little different time.

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<v Speaker 1>But now when you look at it, it's really teams

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, look, if we think a quarterback is a

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<v Speaker 1>first and this is why Jackson Dark, Tyler Shuck uh

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<v Speaker 1>Shador Sanders, this could swing either way for him. But

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<v Speaker 1>what you're not gonna what you rarely see as many

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<v Speaker 1>second round picks. Only six players in the last ten

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<v Speaker 1>drafts have been picked in the second round as a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason simple, if we think you're a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>we're pushing you into the first that's we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the extra year on you because it's too expensive a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>especially now, we're gonna get the extra year, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>the franchise year, we got the developmental time. And if

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think you're for if we don't think you're

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<v Speaker 1>a starting quarterback, why are we gonna take you in

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<v Speaker 1>a second when there are much better cornerbacks you're this

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<v Speaker 1>is a picked over Your position group's already picked over.

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<v Speaker 1>I got real cornerbacks. I got real linebackers who are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start this year and could and his history tells

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<v Speaker 1>us could make Pro Bowls. Why am I gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna go to the third round. So it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like you're either in the first or you're in the third. Historically,

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<v Speaker 1>this year could break the moll because I think Milree

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<v Speaker 1>goes in a second. I think Tyler Shuck probably goes

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<v Speaker 1>in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of conversation. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of conversation on h Like I said, Bruce Feldman talked

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<v Speaker 2>about don't expect to see Tyler shop going to the

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<v Speaker 2>top forty. You had Tom Tayler Server put a reporter

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<v Speaker 2>out saying NFL coaches and scouts have told him they

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<v Speaker 2>believe Jalen Murlroe is a better running quarterback than Lamar

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson was in college, which I was like, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>like you probably won't check check the facts, oh jack

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar Jackson had four thousand rushing yards in three years.

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<v Speaker 2>He had back to back rushing seasons with fifteen one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred yards. He scored fifty rushing touchdowns. I love Jalen Murro.

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<v Speaker 2>I love his superpowers. Jaalen Murran get close to doing

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<v Speaker 2>what Lamar Jackson did as a collegiate player. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>compair to even make that comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not even doesn't make sense because you're telling

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<v Speaker 1>me a running quarterback, Well, you have to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to throw something. Jalen frankly cannot throw like Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>did in college. Jalen's decision making his accuracy. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>good passing tape. Honestly, Jalen Milroe's tape is not very

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<v Speaker 1>good this year as a pastor. That's why some of

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<v Speaker 1>the late him. I mean, he's an incredible athlete, don't

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<v Speaker 1>get me wrong, but I think a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar Jackson Jalen hurts He's not Jalen Hurts either. Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>was a better thrower of the football coming out. Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>was just a little tardy from a timing standpoint. But

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<v Speaker 1>he can spin it. He's got an arm, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a really tight spiral. He's got rare leadership stuff to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got you know, Jalen Hurts is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I really learned from because I just didn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>guy could be a full time starting quarterback and be

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. But when you have, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the Eagles have done a nice job

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<v Speaker 1>of putting him in position to succeed, like they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>him to do things he does well, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>key for all quarterbacks really when you get right down

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<v Speaker 1>to it, don't ask a quarterback to do something he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do well, but maximize his strengths. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you draft Jalen Milroe knowing that you know it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody has to really have a plan for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I do wonder Bucky. In this day

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<v Speaker 1>and age, people get a little sensitive. You and I

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.920
<v Speaker 1>know each other, so I you know, we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about whatever. You know, some quarterback, you know some teams

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<v Speaker 1>are having a conversation. I talked to teams who already

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<v Speaker 1>aren't having a conversation about Hey, if it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 1>at quarterback, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Put him a running back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna make the shift. We'll make the switch. Now. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to a lot of those guys who I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the last time that was successful where you came

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<v Speaker 1>in starting as a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say that it reminds me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of our colleague Michael Robinson when Mike Robb was coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of Penn State. And this is a long time Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike rob made a man. He made a transition that

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<v Speaker 2>you never would think you go, You go from quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>to being a slobbery knocker at fullback. That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>But that speaks to the type of athleticism that he had.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, you can't tell me that Jalen Milroe couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be an offensive weapon if it didn't work out. He

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't be someone that you line up in the dot

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:47.879
<v Speaker 2>and do that. He would have to learn how to

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.000
<v Speaker 2>do pass protection whatever. But I mean he's four three nine,

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 2>he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, four three nine.

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.240
<v Speaker 2>You see the body is ripped up like yeah, but

0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 2>you give him every opportunity to make it as a quarterback.

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no different than Taysom Hill, you know what

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Like he's a much better player than taste,

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 2>but similarity, do you try and find ways to put

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 2>those athletes on the field. And sorry to lead the

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.360
<v Speaker 2>listeners on this this dialogue and this dissertation on quarterback play,

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's funny how the conversation and how we spend

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>so much of our time talking about it on TV

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that it prevents us from talking about some of the

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.840
<v Speaker 2>other guys. I'm glad you brought up Josh Simmons because

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>that was a conversation that I wanted to have. But also,

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.200
<v Speaker 2>what's your take on Will Campbell Because there's a lot

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>of like he kind of bores people in terms of like,

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>oh the arm length and he's not this and not that.

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I saw him at LSU start

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 2>right away, have a lot of success in what we

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>all view as the toughest conference in football. I guess

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of big time past rushers. What's your take

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 2>on what would you dassy about?

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, so, my dad as a as a former NFL

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.439
<v Speaker 1>on line coach. He always said anyone who says arm

0:23:55.520 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>length isn't important doesn't coach on line, because that's it

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>is important because if you don't have it, you have

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>to be really you have a small margin for error

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to pass pro and really beyond pass pro,

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>just run blocking anything. Because offensive line play is about

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.240
<v Speaker 1>first in right, you want to be first in usually

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>typically that is with hands, and so if you are

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be a shorter arm tackle, and to be sure,

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>shorter arm tackles are considered anything under thirty four inches.

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Will Campbell's under thirty three inches. That's like Jonah Williams

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>when he came out. I like Joonah Williams, but Joonah

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Williams has not been as big a factor as I

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 1>was expecting him to be coming out. They tried to

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>playhim a tackle and it's you know, it's been pretty

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>average over there. I think Will Campbell has really heavy hands.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that right now. There are some inconsistencies with

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>his timing of his hands, so the link does come

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>into play from time to time. I just think he

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>gets sloppy with the footwork sometimes, and I do think

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>that's correct. But when the bullets are flying. All the

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 1>work you did in practice, like it's got to you

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.160
<v Speaker 1>got to turn it into muscle memory. But what he's

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>really special at is he has incredible recovery. Even when

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>he gets beaten, he recovers and gets people blocked. And

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 1>that that is a skill, that's a talent, that's an

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>athletic ability that you have to acknowledge for being a

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>guy that stands kind of straight up. And I ask

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>his trainer, Duke Mannyweather, about us, So what does he

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.199
<v Speaker 1>say about playing? You know, he plays so high up

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and he said, well, he said, when he comes out

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>of his stance, he kind of pops up anyway. So

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>why not start there? So he you know, there's no delay.

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>He starts there and then he takes off. Because he's

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>actually a good run blocker. Even though you know he's

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>not a he can bend. He just doesn't look like

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>he's a bender. But when you see him play, you

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>see the bending, you see the athleticism. I think he's

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>a tough ass guy. I think he's somebody will hit

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>you in the mouth. I think he is a mentality player.

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think he's a patriot. You really want to

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>know that, I sink. Mike Rabel's gonna say, Man, that's

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a Patriot. I'm gonna get Patriots in here, and we're

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna start with this guy. We don't have a left

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>tackle and we need more Patriots. And I think that's

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that simple. I like Will Campbell. I

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>think there's some holes in his game. I think there's

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>some holes in Kelvin Banks's game. This is not a

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>real clean tackle draft, to be honest with you, not

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 1>at the top.

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Glad you brought up Kevin Banks, because Kevin Banks is

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 2>a guy that I feel like people haven't talked enough about.

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of kind of flown, not under the radar

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>on the process. But man, this conversation about him being

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>a top ten pick, that your buddy Ryan Poles could

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 2>take a look at him, maybe at ten for the

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Bears if they just need another body, if you want

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>to kind of continue to fortify the offensive line. He's interesting,

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But I want to go to another guy. They talked

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 2>about Tyler.

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Book putt Ryan Poles on me. I'm not like that

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>with Ryan Poles anymore.

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>He's a GM now, he's a big time I'm sorry.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Okay, Like your former friend.

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>The artist report Buck. I just write reports. I'm just

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to write reports. That's all I'm trying to do.

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 2>So Tyler Booker like this, I think I think he

0:26:58.760 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 2>did good.

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he couldn't be a good bear, though,

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 1>I think he could be a good bear. You're right,

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:03.360
<v Speaker 1>because they.

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Banks. Yeah, Now what do you think about? What

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>do you think about Tyler Booker? Like people are making

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>out like the one thing that I love and appreciate

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>about him, he strikes me as the bodyguard. He's the

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>bully on the block. He's going to do it. It

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>may not always be pretty whatever, but he is going

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 2>to give you the attitude. He's going to move people.

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>But there's always in his game, Like people would tell

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>me that, hey he's a gap scheme only player. You

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want to see his big, lumbering self in his

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>own scheme. But what did you take? You know a

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of group.

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I went and watched him, So I watched him for

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the Joe More Awards too, which is the top offensive

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>line in college football. So I've spent a lot of

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>time on a lot of these guys. I think he

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>nailed it. Everything you said is accurate. It's exactly how

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I see it. And and he's not, you know, the

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>best athlete. He didn't test very well from an athletic standpoint.

0:27:58.280 --> 0:27:59.719
<v Speaker 1>But when I watch him on tape, and I went

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and specifically search for lead pools and outside zone blocks

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>because that's going to be on the move. I want

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to see him on the move. He's okay, he can do.

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.199
<v Speaker 1>He can get some lead polls. Now you don't want

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to weigh way out in space, but he can. He

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>can pull a little bit. He can come from opposite

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the opposite guard spot and come around the corner for

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:19.479
<v Speaker 1>you if you need. It's a little better coming from

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 1>playside guard to pull over the outside of the tackle.

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think what you said is important. He is

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a grimy, tough guy who you want to add. The

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>teams who are most excited about adding him they want

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody who is a bully in their building. They want

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a leader, and they want a guy that's going to

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>take charge in the offensive line, and they want somebody

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>who's gonna get chippy if you mess with the quarterback.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not the player that Quenton Nelson is

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>from in terms of the entire package, But He's got

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>that same type of mentality that Q Nelson had coming

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>out of Notre Dame, which is kind of a rare mentality,

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and books that.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I think there's some limitations in most drafts. I think

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he's a second round pick in this draft. My own

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>hometown team to Houston Texans. Man, they need somebody in

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the locker room that can they can they can get

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>rally the troops and turn it into you know, turn

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>it into a bodyguard squad for the quarterback c J.

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Stroud And and he strikes me as someone that Demico

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Ryans would love. Demico talks about swarm and I can't

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>remember what it stands for, but it's a mentality, it's

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>a work ethic. And I think Booker, to me, he

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>won't fall past twenty five. I couldn't see that mentality

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>falling past a team that wants a mentality in their

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>locker room. Now, he could go as early as twelve

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to Dallas to replace Zach Martin, but he's you know,

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Donovan Jackson from Ohio State is more talented.

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>He's a better athlete. But Booker, people who like Booker

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>are going to like him for everything you talked about

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning.

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Of what you said, Yeah, the bully. Yeah, it's funny

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>you talk about Donovan Jackson because to me, he is

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>really solid, he's really kind of clean. When you look

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>at him, there's a lot of things really really well.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that he's exceptional in any area, but

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>we've seen those guys play ten twelve years Lance in

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the league, like just solid Kevin Zeitler types that just

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.719
<v Speaker 2>play and play and play and just have a lot

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>of success. Let's talk to a break very quick, and

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>then we'll come back and we'll talk some more offense,

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>but really we'll start moving to the defense. All right, Lance,

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>So I want to clean up the offense, though. I

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>want to ask you a couple of questions. Who is

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the wide receiver that we've slept on throughout this process

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>in terms of a guy that we just haven't talked

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>enough about. I feel like the conversation has been about

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>really three guys. Ted McMillan has been on, Matthew Golden,

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and then the conversation about of late A Mecca Abuka.

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I thinka goes into first. I think Luther

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Burden is one hundred, that guy from the very outset.

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get people on board with me on the

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>LU on the Luther Burden train this guy. So you

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:14.719
<v Speaker 1>have to go and specifically target his intermediate and deep throws.

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot in that offense, a lot of quick

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>game built in. Let's just get the ball in his hands.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Throw slants, throw wide receiver, you know, screens, throw hitches.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And when people talk about his productivity, I hear people say, well,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>his productivity this year. Did you watch Tate? Did you

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>see his quarterback? You ain't going to be quarterback. Brady

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Cook had a good year, a pretty good year last

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>year on tape, I thought he was like a fourth

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>round type, third or fourth round type player. This year

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>looks undraftable, and he's big, he's got a good arm.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of traits. He was really bad this year.

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>So how are you going to put production on Luther

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Burden when he's asked to catch a lot of short

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff and his quarterback just had a really rough year.

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>For me, he he's got good play speed. He plays

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>faster maybe than the time speed. When the ball is

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in the air. He is a terrific ball winner. He

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>is really competitive. It reminded me of Garrett Wilson when

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I watched him. I think Luther Burden in my personal grades,

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>is my top wide receiver in this draft. I've got

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>him over Milling Golden and Egbuka. I think people are

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>sleeping on them way too much. And I don't know

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.479
<v Speaker 1>if there's something else to play here, but Luther Burden

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>if he gets to I don't even think he needs

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the right spot. I think Luther's just going to show

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>out as a pro. He's going to get out of

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>that Missouri offense and where he had some limitations, and

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to see a different wide receiver.

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I think people need to remember what they thought of

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>him before the year started.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:44.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny, man, because when I look at him,

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I just love everything about his game. He's a catching

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 2>around specialist. He's tough, he's physical. I've made the comparison

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>to Deebo Samuel just in terms of like what he

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>does with the ball in his hands, and he's underrated

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>in that regard. Let's talk about some other guys. You

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>got the Iowa State guys, uh, the Jays as I

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>call them. You got the big guy. I think it's Higgins,

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and then you have Yoel, who's like the shorter, quicker,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>move around guy. You also have some other guys. I

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>just feel like like we have an empty the clip

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like wide receivers that can play, guys

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that we like other guys, because it seems like there's

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>so many guys. Jadi Broyles from Utah State is one.

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you weren't. You weren't a senior bow where you go.

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't a scene. I was the East West, Okay.

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>So Jalen Royals look like. I love Jalen Royals. My

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>grade on him is I got a second round grade

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on him. I think he goes in the third is

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>my guess, but some people think fourth. I'm just telling you.

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>He's got great size, he's physical from the slot. He

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>catches everything, great hands. I think he's one of the

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>safest wide receivers in this draft. You're not gonna line

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>him up outside and stretch the field, but he could

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>end up being a high volume target. He deserves more

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>conversation than he gets. I think Trey Harris, you know,

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I came into last year. I watched Trey Harris last year.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was coming out and I was like

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>four to fifth. I watched him this year and I

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>thought he was a second. I think he goes into third.

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>He didn't run as fast. He's in the low four fives.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>But man on tape, he can win deep. And then

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>when you throw on the ball underneath, so they do

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of and you know, all miss kind of

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>simplifies sometimes, so you got a lot of vertical it's

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of that you're on that linear plane. So you

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>got verticals, and then you got stop routes, and then

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you got hitch routes. And they don't ask him to

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of you know, sink and break and

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>run more complicated routes. You want to give him the

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>ball on a three yard hitch. He is going to

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>be a bull in a china shop after the catch.

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Like he is a really physical runner after the catch.

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>He does have that ability to get down the field

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and create explosive plays. I don't care that he doesn't

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>run a five. I don't care that he doesn't run

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>a four to four because unless you have safety hop

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be him versus the other guy, and

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>he's a bully when the ball is in the air.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>So I think Trey Harris should have a little bit

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>more conversation. I think he's going to be a good

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver number two in the league. And then another

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>guy who you know, battled some injury last year and

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>came back or was it this year that he got injured?

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>It was this year?

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Tory Horton from Colorado State. He's a good football Tory

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 1>is a good football player. And once again we get

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>so caught up and talking to the same names over

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and over. But Tory Horton is a good football player

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.439
<v Speaker 1>who I think could end up going in the third

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>round and in becoming a quick contributor in the NFL.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So back to the Harris conversation. It's funny because

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 2>there was one conversation about Trey Harris before the combine

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and then it was like he went to the ether,

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 2>like he just disappeared because he didn't run a four

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 2>to four time, even though on tape we see him

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>run by guys time and time again in that old

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>miss offense. And is one of the dangers of being

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>so caught up in the combine and the numbers, is

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that guys that we liked on tape, we kind of

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 2>pushed him to the side in lieu of guys who

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>were the super athletes at the combine. Look Man Harris

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 2>was a guy that was a big play specialist. Like

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>think about a number of deep balls we saw Jackson

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Dark throw to him, and all of them were not

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 2>schemed up a he's wide open. Because Lane Kiffin was

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>a master of the pen. He ran by some legitimate guys.

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that I learned from Mike

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Holgerman and your caskal, they said, like, when you have

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>a big guy that is over six y two who

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 2>runs four or five to four or five five, that's

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>moving for a bigger guy, and that you want to

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 2>give them credit for being able to do that. So

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just funny how forgotten he has become in this process.

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>When we talked about him, like leading up to the combat,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>we talked about him potentially being a look a bottom

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>of the first round guy. That's what the conversation was.

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know his ten yard split is a

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>one five six, which is pretty good. It shows you

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>how quick he can accelerate vertical leap of thirty eight

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>and a half and a broad a ten five. So

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>he's got some explosions. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so I

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't really get it personally on him. I

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 1>do wonder sometime if there's a natural tendency in the

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 1>even in the league. He started off at LA Tech

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and then he came, you know, he came and had

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>two years at old mess started off at LA Tech.

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder sometime if there is a little bit

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of a subconscious bias against guys who started smaller programs

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and then portal to larger ones, and maybe that will

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>go away now that the portal is a mainstream.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I wonder, yeah, like, there may be something to it,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>because even the Matthew Golden conversation, there's that conversation. I

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>mean there there is that stigma. A little bit goes

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>from h Town to then being at UT, like and

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>then at UT you're trying to figure out what if

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>he's so good, why wasn't he featured? And then people say, well,

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 2>because you paid as the bond the money, so you

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>had to feature him. Maybe, but coaches are coaches. They

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>see everything every day. They didn't feature him like a

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>number one all the time, but it showed up on occasion. Uh,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 2>anybody else on office? Oh running back, I gotta go

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to this running back thing because hey, man, there's some

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>love on the street for Dylan Sampson from Tennessee.

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Good. I was hoping you were gonna say, Dylan Sampson,

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>you can't watch to Bucky had twenty two rushing touchdowns

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>in the SEC. Twenty two rushing touchdowns, and he gets

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>tough yards. He gets fifteen yard running touchdowns. He has

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>really really impressive instincts in short yardage, like he's only

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>two hundred pounds in that neighborhood, but when he gets

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the ball in tight quarters, he's got that Emmett Smith quality.

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>You know how emmittt could find just the smallest crease

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and work his way through. I think he has some

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>of that. I think when it's all said and done,

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>he is one of the Dylan Samson for me is

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 1>my let's see, I got an Ashton genty, then O'maron Hampton,

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and then Dylan ham and then I got Dylan Sampson

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:59.959
<v Speaker 1>three ahead of quin Shawn Judkins, ahead of Caleb Johns.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>And who I think is I didn't love him on

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>tape as much as maybe some other people did. And no,

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I think Dylan Samson is a good running back if

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>he were two hundred and ten pounds no one blinks,

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and he goes in a second and no one says

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a word. He's about two hundred pounds, and now all

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you know, we got question marks about him.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't have any questions.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.399
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because of my last top five, I put

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 2>cam Scatterboo over top of him, and some of it, yeah,

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>but some of it is like Lancelike sometimes you just

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 2>want to give guys visibility, and so I had given

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Dylan Sampson some visibility. But look, I really loved camp

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>schtabul And at the same time, I really like what

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Dylan Sampson brings to the table. When I watched him

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>at Tennessee, man, speed, quickness, balance, burst, all that stuff

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>he puts it in. And the fact that you talked about, man,

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 2>you just don't score twenty plus touchdowns in the sec

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.839
<v Speaker 2>like you put the ball in the paint. People can

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 2>talk about that offense and how they spread it out

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but I saw him carve up some big

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>time defenses like scooting and scoring around the corner.

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I got an argument with a personnel director about him,

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and they were trying to send me videos of him

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>with big lanes to run through I'm like, yeah, we

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>can all do that. I can show you Caleb Johnson

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 1>if you want, Like, we can all go to a

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>play and screenshot. This isn't hard. But I watched that

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 1>joker on every carry and he is really like he's

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a talented, instinctive runner. I think, the same thing you

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>know in Cam Scattabull. It's it's really interesting talking to

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>teams who are there's internal fights in buildings right now

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>about him because you have some you have one section

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>which will fight for him, and then you'll have other

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>scouts or coaches or whatever. Well, typically coaches are on

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 1>his side, to be honest with That's kind of what

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm finding, and it's because they don't like there is

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>no preconceived notion he's a guy that looks like, you know,

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a mini version of Mike Alstad or whatever. All I

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>know is when you watch him play, he's really hard

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to tackle and he can catch the ball out of

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the backfield. He scores a lot of touchdowns. He's rarely

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>stopped on first impact, rarely. He creates for himself with

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>tremendous power and the bursts average. The speed is gonna

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>be below average in terms of top end speed, but

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>when you're trying to the way I see him Bucket

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>is I want to have a number one back, a

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>good number one, And then scatter Boy is my closer.

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna come. We're going to beat the hell out

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>of you with these two guys, And like, can you

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>imagine if Jim, you know, Hardball, got his hands on him.

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's gonna want to We're just gonna play

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>bully ball. He's gonna get a couple and all he's

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna want to do is get downhill and break people off.

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>So you know, for me, Scatterball is that perfect second

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>back for a team that wants to play power running

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>down the downhill.

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>This look quickly to defense. We talked about the defensive

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>tacles and those guys. Anybody else that we need to

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 2>touch on who haven't we haven't kind of put enough

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 2>light on. I've talked about before coming from Michigan State

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and those guys. But someone who we have about is TJ. Sanders.

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Did you like him from South Carolina?

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I did? I did, And you know, he's it's interesting.

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought he's a little small on tape and then

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw him at the combine. He's not the biggest guy,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>but he's built really well. You know, sometimes you just

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 1>got to get eyeballs on somebody. It's hard to tell

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>on tape. You get eyeballs and you see guys who

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 1>have the body type and who don't. And he's got

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the body type. Like I said, he's not the biggest guy,

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but he's got a real NFL body type. And I

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>think I think he needs to be talked about. I

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>think Shamar Turner out of Texas A and M some

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>questions about the medicals on him. He had a leg injury,

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.720
<v Speaker 1>so he hasn't been available for this process. His agent

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>says he's been medically cleared. You know, you got to

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 1>check in with teams to find out if they have

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>him on the border or not. Shamart Turner justin mattaweek eight.

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of player. Shamart Turner is the undersized

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>interior lineman who is really explosive and really really fierce.

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't give you any quarter at all. Every snap

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>is you're in a fistfight. And his problem is buck

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.439
<v Speaker 1>he has like five to fifteen yard penalties. He can't

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>stop himself.

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 2>He's like a hockey gooon.

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 1>If you mess with one of his teammates. He's running

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>over and cleaning you up. And it's not even like

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>can't you do it inside a play where they can't

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 1>catch you, like you can't do it after the tackle

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're resetting the football like it's it's late late.

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But he has a joy for football. Talking to people

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>at A and M. They love him. I mean, they

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>absolutely love him. And I thought the fifteen yard pill leasion,

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to find out, is this a guy that

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>has anger issues? Is he out of control? Is he

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>an issue in practice in the locker room? Not at all.

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>They love Shamar Turner and they said he just goes

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>to war for his teammates. He just has to reel

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 1>it in a little bit. But Shamar Turner is somebody

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>who you need to talk about. Shamar Turner. And as

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, the other defensive tackle was as you said, TJ. Sanders,

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 1>those are two guys who can make plays on the here.

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>They're not just drain cloggers like they're guys who make plays.

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>And Jamary Caldwell from Oregon is another one of those guys,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of a sloppy body type and you think, eh,

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>but then when you will put the tape on him

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and Vernon Broughton have these weird body types. Vernnon Broughton

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>from Texas. I think both of them get drafted in

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the fourth. These jokers just make a ton of plays.

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>They're all over the place. But you know, I know

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>enough to know that NFL teams like guys that look

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a certain way and have certain traits. But then once

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you get past the third round, it's like, let's go

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 1>get the best for one we don't care who are

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the best guys. Who are the best, most talented football

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>players we can get? And I think that's when Jamari

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Caldwell and Vernon Broughton, two defensive tackles in this draft,

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 1>are gonna pop up. I like both of those guys.

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>They make a lot of plays.

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Let's go linebacker situation. Everyone is all we talked to

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>nausea about Jalen Walker, Joha Campbell. There's love for especially

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 2>the guy kid from UCLA Sweat Julia's love for him.

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 2>But Dennis Stetsman from Oklahoma and someone that kind of

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>called my I love the playmaking. He ran faster than

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>people anticipated at the combine. Uh when you look at

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>him and wrote his profile, anything to you about him.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 2>What about him and Barrett Carter, Because I feel like

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Barret Carter is just well, he got rocks in his

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.240
<v Speaker 2>in his in his pants, and they have just dropped

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 2>him to the bottom of the ocean when it comes

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.959
<v Speaker 2>to the draft. Yeah.

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So Barret Carter. I had a second round grade on

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>him last year when I wrote him up. Now lots changed.

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think he's going to go into fourth probably.

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the one thing is I thought he was

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a four to four low four five four four forty

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>guy and he came out at his pro day. I'm

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna pull it up for you right now. And this

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is what I think it really hurt him is he

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be one of the things that stood

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>out with him was going to be his uh, his speed,

0:45:55.600 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and then he ran a hold on a second up

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.399
<v Speaker 1>right here. He ran a four to sixty three. That's

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>not slow, It's fine. His ten yard split was one

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>five to nine. But when you think a guy's going

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to run a four to five to two, and then

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>he has a thirty three inch vertical jump, which is

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.839
<v Speaker 1>not the most explosive vertical jump. He weighed in at

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>two thirty two. I think that's one of the things

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that hurts a little bit. I know on tape, I

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like him on tape. I mean, you know, the testing

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's all part of it. But on tape, I

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 1>think he's a pretty good player. I like Barrett Carter.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I think he's worthy of going on day two. From

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the tape, I think because of his testing, he probably

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>goes on day three. Schwessinger has some of the best

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 1>instincts I've seen on tape the last several years. I mean,

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like he's moving with the play. It's like he

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>knows where the play is. And he's not the biggest,

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>strongest guy, but because he's ahead of the blocking scheme,

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get touched up the way some linebackers do.

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 1>He's able to slip blocks because he's running the play

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>for you and he's running the track for the running.

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 1>So he went from he's a one one year starter

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.919
<v Speaker 1>with like a billion tackles and I guess the word

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure you heard this was I heard from

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>somebody who knew people inside the UCLA program that said

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>he was just wrecking show Kelly's offense when he was

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>on Scout team defense, and for some reason, all the

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>players thought he should be, you know, he should be

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 1>a starter, and he didn't start until his last year,

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and then he was a killer this year. Now he's

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>been a special team's ace the entire time of he

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was are he's a former walk on, but he's got

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 1>good speed. He's an explosive. I think he's got like

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a forty inch vertical. He's got explosiveness to him. The

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>one guy it's not a great it's it's considered a

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>down year for linebackers. The one guy that Danny Stutsman

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is a good player. He ran well. Danny Stutsman's going

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a starting linebacker in the league. I think

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>he goes in the third round. Another guy that deserves

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 1>more attention is Demetrius Knight from South Carolina. Kind of

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>a throwback in terms of body type, about two hundred

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and forty eight pounds. He's big, he's physical, he can

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>run a little bit. He runs pretty well for being

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>his size. They say he is a phenomenal leader in

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the locker room and on the field. A phenomenal leader,

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>very upbeat, a guy who brings good, positive, high energy

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to the field and to the locker room. But he

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>also is gonna split your wig for you if you

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>try to get down hell on him. So you know

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he's got that physicality between the tackles, and he's got

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the demeanor that you want setting the tone on defense.

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>But once you get past Stutsman, Knight, Schwesssinger, Campbell Walker,

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you start running into you start running into some ifs

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and butts. I think from there and you better have

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 1>good special teams play. Even though I like Barry Carter too,

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.919
<v Speaker 1>I give him a sixty two, which is a third,

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 1>But I just I don't think. I just I don't

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>think he goes in there. But Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon,

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I think he'll be a solid player. Smell Munden has

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.320
<v Speaker 1>had some foot injury issues. I think he'll be a

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>solid player. Uh, he gets it gets a little trickier

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>after that. So if you want linebackers, you probably need

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to get him inside the first.

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Ninety picks, last position group to cover. Just be the DB's.

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>We'll lump them all together. We've talked about all the

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 2>usual suspects at corner. Everyone has. We talked at nausea

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.279
<v Speaker 2>about jadefe Aaron, We talked about Will Johnson. Uh, we

0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:19.720
<v Speaker 2>got the injured guys Shavonne Ravel and those guys Benjamin Morrison,

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Maxwell Harrison has gotten love, caught fire of late. Let's

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 2>move beyond that. Who are the other guys? The other

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 2>guys that we need to talk about? That may not

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 2>be first round guys, but when we get into that

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>run and the second and third one, we're gonna be

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 2>on the live show, Like, who are her names that

0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>we need to talk about? We need to at least

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 2>flush out.

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Parish, Kansas state cornerback. Tremendous, short, area of quickness,

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 1>very very sticky. There's sometimes he reminds me of Gyr

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Alexander when he was coming out. He is a really

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>sticky corner with sticky feet and is a natural fleet,

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 1>free flowing athlete. He's got that basketball athleticism. I like

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Parrish a lot, and I think he ran like

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>really really well if I remember correctly too, so I

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>keep getting third on him. But I'm telling you, I

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>think he's I think he's definitely gonna outplay outplay that.

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.280
<v Speaker 1>From a trade standpoint, he weighed in at the combine.

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you his combine numbers here in a second.

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 1>But Jacob Parris is the guy that I'm gonna get

0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:20.680
<v Speaker 1>hyped on when we are on the broadcast. He ran

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 1>a four three five, he's got thirty seven and a

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>half ins vertical, a ten to nine broad He is

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>five foot ten, one ninety one. I mean, you know

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the problem we have right now, Bucky, that you've probably

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.799
<v Speaker 1>seen too. Is it used to be oh good, we'll

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>just throw him in a slot. Well, a lot of

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>teams now want bigger, They want those hybrids now in

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the slot. So if this guy were five eleven and

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.879
<v Speaker 1>a half six foot, we may be talking about him

0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in the first round. But it's strange because it's not

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.879
<v Speaker 1>like he's one hundred and seventy five pounds. He's one

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>ninety one ninety one running in the four threes, and

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.360
<v Speaker 1>he's five to ten. That's kind of average size. But

0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:58.760
<v Speaker 1>there are some teams that say, we just don't unless

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 1>you're an absolute doll, we're not going to play you

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>at slot because it's too valuable for us to have,

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, a run defender in the slot. So I

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know where he goes. I think he's a really

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>really good cornerback. He's somebody that I think is is

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>going to be a good NFL player. I also think

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Jonah Sanker the safety out of Virginia. He is a

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 1>heat seeking missile downhill. He's he's got real NFL size,

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 1>six foot by two hundred and sixteen pounds, runs pretty well,

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>can run and hit you. He's got some instincts underneath.

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>But he's one of those guys that as soon as

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the play gets started. You know how there's some guys

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that are defensive players, and there's others who are running

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>into the fire. You know, they say, like firefighters, you

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.919
<v Speaker 1>gotta have a different mentality when that cage door locks

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>in the UFC, right, we've got to have a different mentality.

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Jonah Sanker is one of those guys that where's the

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>fire and he's flying in there trying to trying to

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>go hit and be hit. So I like that. I

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>like that, and it's funny because I'm finding the teams

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 1>like him too. He doesn't get a lot of talk

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>from the general public, but I think he's one of

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>those guys that every team secretly hopes, Yeah, that's our

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 1>guy in the third round. That's our guy in the

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>third round. Well we'll see which one of y'all win

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the race.

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be so interesting to see what that looks like,

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>how that looks in terms of the guys who like

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 2>those type players, who want to put those players in

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the back end. It's great that you brought up the

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.720
<v Speaker 2>different the shift that we're seeing in the slot players

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 2>because so many colleges are playing with the quote unquote

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 2>star position, that hybrid nickel. You have a lot of

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 2>different options that if you want as a slot defender,

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 2>do you want a safety type, do you want a

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 2>corner type, and those things the other things that's shifting.

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Kyli Gordon getting paid from the Chicago Bears moving that

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.760
<v Speaker 2>up into the twenty million dollar category. The nickel position lance,

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Now we're really looking for guys that have a specific

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>skill set for the slot. The nickel used to be

0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the throwaway. Ay, anybody that's little, we're gonna make them

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.920
<v Speaker 2>a nickel. Anybody that's five eight, five nine, we're just

0:52:57.920 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna put them and make them a nickel corner. We'll

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 2>put them on board and kind of that's where they go.

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Now it's a legitimate position, and it's interesting because you

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.800
<v Speaker 2>have to grade twelve positions on defense for starters, and

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>a nickel position is one of those.

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's why john Dy Barron. You know, some people

0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 1>are gonna look at Johnny barn from Texas. They're gonna say, well,

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>where do we put him? Like we can't define his value.

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Another I talk to another defensive coach who told.

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Me, oh, I love it.

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>He's he's Brian branch all over again. I got a

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>nickel who can play out in the slot if I want.

0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>And so when you look at a guy like Johnny Barron,

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:36.280
<v Speaker 1>he's got the versatility to play over a pass catching

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 1>tight end in the slot. He can play true slot,

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 1>he can play the overhang nickel that star where he

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>can get after it as a run defender, and he

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>can step outside and play outside. So I think it's

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>his versatility that may have him as the first. Almost

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Travis Hunter, I almost don't count him. He's like when

0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Tiger Woods used to talk about, well, who's gonna finish second, Well, Travis.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Is going to be the best.

0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.839
<v Speaker 1>He's my first receiver in the draft. He's my first

0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.319
<v Speaker 1>cornerback in the draft. So who's after him? I think

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Bearing goes first because ahead of the other corners, because

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>he tested well. He had a great year this year,

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ball production, but versatility you just referenced it. Man,

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the ability to play in and that nickel role and outside,

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to play inside and outside comfortably and successfully, that's kind

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:26.280
<v Speaker 1>of rare. So I think that it has made grading

0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>these guys a lot more difficult. Brian Branch really showed

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>you just go get a good football player, and a

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinator is going to figure out how to play.

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 1>He'll figure out how to play the safety, he'll figure

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 1>out how to play the corner. But you know, it

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>is it is tricky. They played Malachi Starks there this year.

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Georgia did, but he got beat on a lot of routes.

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Not bad, he just you know, he just wasn't like

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 1>he's playing n He's playing cover nickel basically. So when

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:56.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching him in coverage stuff, he's going up against

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>some pretty good sec wide receivers. They want to dial

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the tape back to twenty twenty three, and he's playing

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.839
<v Speaker 1>more of a split safety role. He's a lot better.

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's coming downhill making plays, and so it

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>really it really makes it more challenging to look at

0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>those players. But at the same time, for some NFL coaches,

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>they see, oh man, we love it. We love it

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:19.800
<v Speaker 1>because now we can be varied in our defensive approaches

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and our personnel groups, and you can't really out scheme us.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, isn't that really what it gets down to,

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<v Speaker 1>Bucky right now is we don't want you to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to mismatch us. We want to mismatch you up front,

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<v Speaker 1>but which happens a lot with D line and O line.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want you to mismatch us on the perimeter

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<v Speaker 1>with skill.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's such a compelling thing. Last man, we made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we stressed it out an hour. We stressing out

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<v Speaker 2>an hour talking about all this stuff and look bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on me. Let me finish it because that was

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<v Speaker 2>a winning combination brought to you by Lows. We help

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<v Speaker 2>you save. But no, like we stressed out, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things to talk about. I think we have

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<v Speaker 2>another podcast before we go to the draft. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Wednesday or something. We'll come back and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that. I know, we got the post stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I got you on one of the days, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll pull some other guys in.

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<v Speaker 1>But we got the mock. We got Buckie. We got

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<v Speaker 1>Buckie Brooks's mock four point zero.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess something. I'm sitting here working on that right

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<v Speaker 2>now as we go through it, because I'm a little

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<v Speaker 2>late to the party. But we will get it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get it done. But look, that's today's a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Moves to stakes me, Lancey. We'll be back later in

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<v Speaker 2>the week to discuss all things the draft as we

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<v Speaker 2>get ready for a huge event, maybe the biggest event

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<v Speaker 2>on the scouting Community's counting until next time, I'm Bucky.

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<v Speaker 2>That's lance We'll talk to you