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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone?

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Speaker 2: I am Bucky Brooks and this is Moved the Sticks

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Speaker 2: and I'm joined by my guy Lance Zeroline, the man

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Speaker 2: who does everything for the website as related to providing

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Speaker 2: all the profiles, breaking it all down. How many profiles

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Speaker 2: do we knock out this year?

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Speaker 1: We only got to like four forty five? My editor

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Speaker 1: said he did. He said, don't write guys that can't

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Speaker 1: get drafted. I don't want to have to edit them.

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to have to write them,

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Speaker 1: so bet, and we're on the same page.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta love that. I appreciate all the

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Speaker 2: work because that is man laborious. When it comes to

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Speaker 2: like forging and something profiles, that's you know what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna tell you. The sneaky tough part is I'm watching

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Speaker 1: tape and uh late October for some of these prospects,

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Speaker 1: and then early November, and there's two things that are

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Speaker 1: really tough. I'm gonna start with the easiest one, where

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Speaker 1: you think you have a player based on tape, you

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Speaker 1: know his speed or this or that or length or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and then you get the measurements or you get that.

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Speaker 1: Now we're half to wait til Pro Day for some

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Speaker 1: of these guys to run. Xavier's Restrepbo ran a four

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Speaker 1: my my scotter report to reference his speed, Like you

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Speaker 1: have to put that in there, And truth be told, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I don't. He probably doesn't get drafted with a four

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Speaker 1: eight forty. That's not say he can't make a team,

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Speaker 1: but it's real hard for teams to, you know, get

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Speaker 1: on board with drafting a shorter slot receiver with a

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Speaker 1: so going back and you know, re relooking at and

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Speaker 1: retouching up some of the some of the scouting reports,

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Speaker 1: some of the strengths and weaknesses I wrote up after

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Speaker 1: Pro Day's one thing. But I'll tell you what else

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Speaker 1: is tough. I wrote Josh Simmons and he was out

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Speaker 1: late November, early December, and I run him up. Man,

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Speaker 1: this guy is athletic. I like him. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: him a sixty two that means kind of an average

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Speaker 1: Josh Shimmons and you get your bearings under you about

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Speaker 1: what it all looks like, and you read, you know,

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Speaker 1: you get recentered. I went and watch him the other day.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this guy is easily a high sixty four.

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Speaker 1: Like he's easily the most he's the most talented tackle

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Speaker 1: different when you watch a guy, you know, in November

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Speaker 1: before you've really got a good feel of the whole class.

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Speaker 1: And remember, I'm hitting start again basically in October November,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't really look in June or July

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Speaker 1: my process with bias. You know, just looking back at

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Speaker 1: some of these guys that like Josh Simmons, that guy

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Speaker 2: You took me to where I want to go. It's

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Speaker 2: time for the winning combination, brought to you by Low's

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Speaker 2: and Lance. Like, I kind of wanted to have that

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Speaker 2: talked to a bunch of different scouts and coaches about

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Speaker 2: the guys and the names that you know, they made

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Speaker 2: list to see if I had did I have any

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Speaker 2: egregious errors? Am I missing somebody? And on this list

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Speaker 2: they had Walter Nolan at six And at the end

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Speaker 2: Walterton Nolan's gonna go a lot higher than people think.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing I've got him regardless of you know,

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Speaker 1: and look I've been told he is gonna fall. Realistically,

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Speaker 1: You can't go in any other direction other than Walter

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Speaker 1: Nolan is a top defensive tackle on the draft, you

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Speaker 1: And so I ask you this, Bucky, let me flip

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the thing, and here's the challenge on

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Speaker 2: own whatever I put out there in terms of top fives,

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Speaker 2: it's easy on our side to get caught up in well,

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Speaker 2: I want the list to reflect what the draft looks

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Speaker 2: But that's not the way that it should be done.

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Speaker 2: That all of this should be done is in three years,

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Speaker 2: Because that's the line of demarcation when we're great thing,

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I you know, I keep my grades

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Speaker 1: separate from the character stuff. Now I will change round

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that is irritating. The other thing

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Speaker 1: Never was that. Yeah, I took a lot of bullets

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Speaker 1: Usually the head coach for sure, will get fired. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: develop them. And I thought that was interesting. However, I

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Speaker 2: It is rare. And we talk about the value of

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Speaker 2: And this year reminds me of the twenty the Kenny

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Speaker 1: So, Bucky, I had done this a ten year study,

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Speaker 1: You either think they're a starter, and if they're a starter,

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Speaker 1: And the reason simple, if we think you're a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of conversation. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: believe Jalen Murlroe is a better running quarterback than Lamar

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Speaker 1: you draft Jalen Milroe knowing that you know it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be somebody has to really have a plan for him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I do wonder Bucky. In this day

429
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Speaker 1: and age, people get a little sensitive. You and I

430
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: know each other, so I you know, we can talk

431
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Speaker 1: about whatever. You know, some quarterback, you know some teams

432
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Speaker 1: are having a conversation. I talked to teams who already

433
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Speaker 1: aren't having a conversation about Hey, if it doesn't work

434
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Speaker 1: at quarterback, we.

435
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Speaker 2: Put him a running back.

436
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Speaker 1: We're gonna make the shift. We'll make the switch. Now. Look,

437
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of those guys who I don't

438
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: know the last time that was successful where you came

439
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Speaker 1: in starting as a quarterback.

440
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say that it reminds me a lot

441
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Speaker 2: of our colleague Michael Robinson when Mike Robb was coming

442
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: out of Penn State. And this is a long time Mike,

443
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: Mike rob made a man. He made a transition that

444
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Speaker 2: you never would think you go, You go from quarterback

445
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: to being a slobbery knocker at fullback. That is crazy.

446
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: But that speaks to the type of athleticism that he had.

447
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: But like, you can't tell me that Jalen Milroe couldn't

448
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: be an offensive weapon if it didn't work out. He

449
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: couldn't be someone that you line up in the dot

450
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Speaker 2: and do that. He would have to learn how to

451
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Speaker 2: do pass protection whatever. But I mean he's four three nine,

452
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, four three nine.

453
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Speaker 2: You see the body is ripped up like yeah, but

454
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Speaker 2: you give him every opportunity to make it as a quarterback.

455
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean, no different than Taysom Hill, you know what

456
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like he's a much better player than taste,

457
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: but similarity, do you try and find ways to put

458
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Speaker 2: those athletes on the field. And sorry to lead the

459
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Speaker 2: listeners on this this dialogue and this dissertation on quarterback play,

460
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: but it's funny how the conversation and how we spend

461
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Speaker 2: so much of our time talking about it on TV

462
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Speaker 2: that it prevents us from talking about some of the

463
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Speaker 2: other guys. I'm glad you brought up Josh Simmons because

464
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: that was a conversation that I wanted to have. But also,

465
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Speaker 2: what's your take on Will Campbell Because there's a lot

466
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Speaker 2: of like he kind of bores people in terms of like,

467
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Speaker 2: oh the arm length and he's not this and not that.

468
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I saw him at LSU start

469
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Speaker 2: right away, have a lot of success in what we

470
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Speaker 2: all view as the toughest conference in football. I guess

471
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Speaker 2: a lot of big time past rushers. What's your take

472
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Speaker 2: on what would you dassy about?

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Speaker 1: Well, so, my dad as a as a former NFL

474
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Speaker 1: on line coach. He always said anyone who says arm

475
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Speaker 1: length isn't important doesn't coach on line, because that's it

476
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: is important because if you don't have it, you have

477
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: to be really you have a small margin for error

478
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to pass pro and really beyond pass pro,

479
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: just run blocking anything. Because offensive line play is about

480
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: first in right, you want to be first in usually

481
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: typically that is with hands, and so if you are

482
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Speaker 1: going to be a shorter arm tackle, and to be sure,

483
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Speaker 1: shorter arm tackles are considered anything under thirty four inches.

484
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: Will Campbell's under thirty three inches. That's like Jonah Williams

485
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Speaker 1: when he came out. I like Joonah Williams, but Joonah

486
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Speaker 1: Williams has not been as big a factor as I

487
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Speaker 1: was expecting him to be coming out. They tried to

488
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: playhim a tackle and it's you know, it's been pretty

489
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Speaker 1: average over there. I think Will Campbell has really heavy hands.

490
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Speaker 1: I think that right now. There are some inconsistencies with

491
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Speaker 1: his timing of his hands, so the link does come

492
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Speaker 1: into play from time to time. I just think he

493
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Speaker 1: gets sloppy with the footwork sometimes, and I do think

494
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Speaker 1: that's correct. But when the bullets are flying. All the

495
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: work you did in practice, like it's got to you

496
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: got to turn it into muscle memory. But what he's

497
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: really special at is he has incredible recovery. Even when

498
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: he gets beaten, he recovers and gets people blocked. And

499
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Speaker 1: that that is a skill, that's a talent, that's an

500
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Speaker 1: athletic ability that you have to acknowledge for being a

501
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Speaker 1: guy that stands kind of straight up. And I ask

502
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Speaker 1: his trainer, Duke Mannyweather, about us, So what does he

503
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: say about playing? You know, he plays so high up

504
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 1: and he said, well, he said, when he comes out

505
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: of his stance, he kind of pops up anyway. So

506
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: why not start there? So he you know, there's no delay.

507
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: He starts there and then he takes off. Because he's

508
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Speaker 1: actually a good run blocker. Even though you know he's

509
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Speaker 1: not a he can bend. He just doesn't look like

510
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: he's a bender. But when you see him play, you

511
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: see the bending, you see the athleticism. I think he's

512
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: a tough ass guy. I think he's somebody will hit

513
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: you in the mouth. I think he is a mentality player.

514
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: And I think he's a patriot. You really want to

515
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: know that, I sink. Mike Rabel's gonna say, Man, that's

516
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: a Patriot. I'm gonna get Patriots in here, and we're

517
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna start with this guy. We don't have a left

518
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: tackle and we need more Patriots. And I think that's

519
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: I think it's that simple. I like Will Campbell. I

520
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: think there's some holes in his game. I think there's

521
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: some holes in Kelvin Banks's game. This is not a

522
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: real clean tackle draft, to be honest with you, not

523
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Speaker 1: at the top.

524
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Speaker 2: Glad you brought up Kevin Banks, because Kevin Banks is

525
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: a guy that I feel like people haven't talked enough about.

526
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: He's kind of kind of flown, not under the radar

527
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: on the process. But man, this conversation about him being

528
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Speaker 2: a top ten pick, that your buddy Ryan Poles could

529
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Speaker 2: take a look at him, maybe at ten for the

530
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: Bears if they just need another body, if you want

531
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Speaker 2: to kind of continue to fortify the offensive line. He's interesting,

532
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: But I want to go to another guy. They talked

533
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Speaker 2: about Tyler.

534
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Book putt Ryan Poles on me. I'm not like that

535
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: with Ryan Poles anymore.

536
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Speaker 2: He's a GM now, he's a big time I'm sorry.

537
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Okay, Like your former friend.

538
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Speaker 1: The artist report Buck. I just write reports. I'm just

539
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: trying to write reports. That's all I'm trying to do.

540
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Speaker 2: So Tyler Booker like this, I think I think he

541
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: did good.

542
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Speaker 1: I think I think he couldn't be a good bear, though,

543
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: I think he could be a good bear. You're right,

544
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: because they.

545
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Banks. Yeah, Now what do you think about? What

546
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: do you think about Tyler Booker? Like people are making

547
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: out like the one thing that I love and appreciate

548
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: about him, he strikes me as the bodyguard. He's the

549
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: bully on the block. He's going to do it. It

550
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: may not always be pretty whatever, but he is going

551
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: to give you the attitude. He's going to move people.

552
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: But there's always in his game, Like people would tell

553
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: me that, hey he's a gap scheme only player. You

554
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: don't want to see his big, lumbering self in his

555
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: own scheme. But what did you take? You know a

556
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: lot of group.

557
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: I went and watched him, So I watched him for

558
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: the Joe More Awards too, which is the top offensive

559
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: line in college football. So I've spent a lot of

560
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: time on a lot of these guys. I think he

561
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: nailed it. Everything you said is accurate. It's exactly how

562
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: I see it. And and he's not, you know, the

563
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: best athlete. He didn't test very well from an athletic standpoint.

564
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: But when I watch him on tape, and I went

565
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: and specifically search for lead pools and outside zone blocks

566
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: because that's going to be on the move. I want

567
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: to see him on the move. He's okay, he can do.

568
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: He can get some lead polls. Now you don't want

569
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to weigh way out in space, but he can. He

570
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: can pull a little bit. He can come from opposite

571
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: the opposite guard spot and come around the corner for

572
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: you if you need. It's a little better coming from

573
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: playside guard to pull over the outside of the tackle.

574
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: But I think what you said is important. He is

575
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: a grimy, tough guy who you want to add. The

576
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: teams who are most excited about adding him they want

577
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: somebody who is a bully in their building. They want

578
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: a leader, and they want a guy that's going to

579
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: take charge in the offensive line, and they want somebody

580
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: who's gonna get chippy if you mess with the quarterback.

581
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's not the player that Quenton Nelson is

582
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: from in terms of the entire package, But He's got

583
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: that same type of mentality that Q Nelson had coming

584
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame, which is kind of a rare mentality,

585
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: and books that.

586
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: Now.

587
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: I think there's some limitations in most drafts. I think

588
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: he's a second round pick in this draft. My own

589
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: hometown team to Houston Texans. Man, they need somebody in

590
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: the locker room that can they can they can get

591
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: rally the troops and turn it into you know, turn

592
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: it into a bodyguard squad for the quarterback c J.

593
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Stroud And and he strikes me as someone that Demico

594
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Ryans would love. Demico talks about swarm and I can't

595
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: remember what it stands for, but it's a mentality, it's

596
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: a work ethic. And I think Booker, to me, he

597
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: won't fall past twenty five. I couldn't see that mentality

598
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: falling past a team that wants a mentality in their

599
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: locker room. Now, he could go as early as twelve

600
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: to Dallas to replace Zach Martin, but he's you know,

601
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I think Donovan Jackson from Ohio State is more talented.

602
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: He's a better athlete. But Booker, people who like Booker

603
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: are going to like him for everything you talked about

604
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: at the beginning.

605
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: Of what you said, Yeah, the bully. Yeah, it's funny

606
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: you talk about Donovan Jackson because to me, he is

607
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: really solid, he's really kind of clean. When you look

608
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: at him, there's a lot of things really really well.

609
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: I can't say that he's exceptional in any area, but

610
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: we've seen those guys play ten twelve years Lance in

611
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: the league, like just solid Kevin Zeitler types that just

612
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: play and play and play and just have a lot

613
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: of success. Let's talk to a break very quick, and

614
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: then we'll come back and we'll talk some more offense,

615
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: but really we'll start moving to the defense. All right, Lance,

616
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: So I want to clean up the offense, though. I

617
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: want to ask you a couple of questions. Who is

618
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: the wide receiver that we've slept on throughout this process

619
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Speaker 2: in terms of a guy that we just haven't talked

620
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: enough about. I feel like the conversation has been about

621
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: really three guys. Ted McMillan has been on, Matthew Golden,

622
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Speaker 2: and then the conversation about of late A Mecca Abuka.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I thinka goes into first. I think Luther

624
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Burden is one hundred, that guy from the very outset.

625
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't get people on board with me on the

626
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: LU on the Luther Burden train this guy. So you

627
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: have to go and specifically target his intermediate and deep throws.

628
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot in that offense, a lot of quick

629
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: game built in. Let's just get the ball in his hands.

630
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Throw slants, throw wide receiver, you know, screens, throw hitches.

631
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: And when people talk about his productivity, I hear people say, well,

632
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: his productivity this year. Did you watch Tate? Did you

633
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: see his quarterback? You ain't going to be quarterback. Brady

634
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: Cook had a good year, a pretty good year last

635
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: year on tape, I thought he was like a fourth

636
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: round type, third or fourth round type player. This year

637
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: looks undraftable, and he's big, he's got a good arm.

638
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of traits. He was really bad this year.

639
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: So how are you going to put production on Luther

640
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Burden when he's asked to catch a lot of short

641
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: stuff and his quarterback just had a really rough year.

642
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: For me, he he's got good play speed. He plays

643
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: faster maybe than the time speed. When the ball is

644
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: in the air. He is a terrific ball winner. He

645
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: is really competitive. It reminded me of Garrett Wilson when

646
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I watched him. I think Luther Burden in my personal grades,

647
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: is my top wide receiver in this draft. I've got

648
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: him over Milling Golden and Egbuka. I think people are

649
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: sleeping on them way too much. And I don't know

650
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: if there's something else to play here, but Luther Burden

651
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: if he gets to I don't even think he needs

652
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: the right spot. I think Luther's just going to show

653
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: out as a pro. He's going to get out of

654
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: that Missouri offense and where he had some limitations, and

655
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see a different wide receiver.

656
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: I think people need to remember what they thought of

657
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: him before the year started.

658
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, man, because when I look at him,

659
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: I just love everything about his game. He's a catching

660
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: around specialist. He's tough, he's physical. I've made the comparison

661
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: to Deebo Samuel just in terms of like what he

662
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: does with the ball in his hands, and he's underrated

663
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: in that regard. Let's talk about some other guys. You

664
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: got the Iowa State guys, uh, the Jays as I

665
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: call them. You got the big guy. I think it's Higgins,

666
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: and then you have Yoel, who's like the shorter, quicker,

667
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: move around guy. You also have some other guys. I

668
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: just feel like like we have an empty the clip

669
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: in terms of like wide receivers that can play, guys

670
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: that we like other guys, because it seems like there's

671
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: so many guys. Jadi Broyles from Utah State is one.

672
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you weren't. You weren't a senior bow where you go.

673
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't a scene. I was the East West, Okay.

674
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: So Jalen Royals look like. I love Jalen Royals. My

675
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: grade on him is I got a second round grade

676
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: on him. I think he goes in the third is

677
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: my guess, but some people think fourth. I'm just telling you.

678
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: He's got great size, he's physical from the slot. He

679
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: catches everything, great hands. I think he's one of the

680
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: safest wide receivers in this draft. You're not gonna line

681
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: him up outside and stretch the field, but he could

682
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: end up being a high volume target. He deserves more

683
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: conversation than he gets. I think Trey Harris, you know,

684
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: I came into last year. I watched Trey Harris last year.

685
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I thought he was coming out and I was like

686
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: four to fifth. I watched him this year and I

687
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: thought he was a second. I think he goes into third.

688
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: He didn't run as fast. He's in the low four fives.

689
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: But man on tape, he can win deep. And then

690
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: when you throw on the ball underneath, so they do

691
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot of and you know, all miss kind of

692
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: simplifies sometimes, so you got a lot of vertical it's

693
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of that you're on that linear plane. So you

694
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: got verticals, and then you got stop routes, and then

695
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: you got hitch routes. And they don't ask him to

696
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, sink and break and

697
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: run more complicated routes. You want to give him the

698
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: ball on a three yard hitch. He is going to

699
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: be a bull in a china shop after the catch.

700
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Like he is a really physical runner after the catch.

701
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: He does have that ability to get down the field

702
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: and create explosive plays. I don't care that he doesn't

703
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: run a five. I don't care that he doesn't run

704
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: a four to four because unless you have safety hop

705
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be him versus the other guy, and

706
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: he's a bully when the ball is in the air.

707
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: So I think Trey Harris should have a little bit

708
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: more conversation. I think he's going to be a good

709
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver number two in the league. And then another

710
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: guy who you know, battled some injury last year and

711
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: came back or was it this year that he got injured?

712
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: It was this year?

713
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: Tory Horton from Colorado State. He's a good football Tory

714
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: is a good football player. And once again we get

715
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: so caught up and talking to the same names over

716
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: and over. But Tory Horton is a good football player

717
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: who I think could end up going in the third

718
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: round and in becoming a quick contributor in the NFL.

719
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So back to the Harris conversation. It's funny because

720
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: there was one conversation about Trey Harris before the combine

721
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: and then it was like he went to the ether,

722
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: like he just disappeared because he didn't run a four

723
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: to four time, even though on tape we see him

724
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: run by guys time and time again in that old

725
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: miss offense. And is one of the dangers of being

726
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: so caught up in the combine and the numbers, is

727
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: that guys that we liked on tape, we kind of

728
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: pushed him to the side in lieu of guys who

729
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: were the super athletes at the combine. Look Man Harris

730
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: was a guy that was a big play specialist. Like

731
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: think about a number of deep balls we saw Jackson

732
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: Dark throw to him, and all of them were not

733
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: schemed up a he's wide open. Because Lane Kiffin was

734
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: a master of the pen. He ran by some legitimate guys.

735
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: And one of the things that I learned from Mike

736
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: Holgerman and your caskal, they said, like, when you have

737
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: a big guy that is over six y two who

738
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: runs four or five to four or five five, that's

739
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: moving for a bigger guy, and that you want to

740
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: give them credit for being able to do that. So

741
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: it's just funny how forgotten he has become in this process.

742
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: When we talked about him, like leading up to the combat,

743
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: we talked about him potentially being a look a bottom

744
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: of the first round guy. That's what the conversation was.

745
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know his ten yard split is a

746
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: one five six, which is pretty good. It shows you

747
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: how quick he can accelerate vertical leap of thirty eight

748
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: and a half and a broad a ten five. So

749
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: he's got some explosions. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so I

750
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't really get it personally on him. I

751
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: do wonder sometime if there's a natural tendency in the

752
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: even in the league. He started off at LA Tech

753
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: and then he came, you know, he came and had

754
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: two years at old mess started off at LA Tech.

755
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: I do wonder sometime if there is a little bit

756
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: of a subconscious bias against guys who started smaller programs

757
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: and then portal to larger ones, and maybe that will

758
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: go away now that the portal is a mainstream.

759
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: I wonder, yeah, like, there may be something to it,

760
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: because even the Matthew Golden conversation, there's that conversation. I

761
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: mean there there is that stigma. A little bit goes

762
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: from h Town to then being at UT, like and

763
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: then at UT you're trying to figure out what if

764
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: he's so good, why wasn't he featured? And then people say, well,

765
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: because you paid as the bond the money, so you

766
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: had to feature him. Maybe, but coaches are coaches. They

767
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: see everything every day. They didn't feature him like a

768
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: number one all the time, but it showed up on occasion. Uh,

769
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: anybody else on office? Oh running back, I gotta go

770
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: to this running back thing because hey, man, there's some

771
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: love on the street for Dylan Sampson from Tennessee.

772
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: Good. I was hoping you were gonna say, Dylan Sampson,

773
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: you can't watch to Bucky had twenty two rushing touchdowns

774
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: in the SEC. Twenty two rushing touchdowns, and he gets

775
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: tough yards. He gets fifteen yard running touchdowns. He has

776
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: really really impressive instincts in short yardage, like he's only

777
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds in that neighborhood, but when he gets

778
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: the ball in tight quarters, he's got that Emmett Smith quality.

779
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: You know how emmittt could find just the smallest crease

780
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: and work his way through. I think he has some

781
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: of that. I think when it's all said and done,

782
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: he is one of the Dylan Samson for me is

783
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: my let's see, I got an Ashton genty, then O'maron Hampton,

784
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: and then Dylan ham and then I got Dylan Sampson

785
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: three ahead of quin Shawn Judkins, ahead of Caleb Johns.

786
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: And who I think is I didn't love him on

787
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: tape as much as maybe some other people did. And no,

788
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I think Dylan Samson is a good running back if

789
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: he were two hundred and ten pounds no one blinks,

790
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: and he goes in a second and no one says

791
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: a word. He's about two hundred pounds, and now all

792
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, we got question marks about him.

793
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't have any questions.

794
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: It's funny because of my last top five, I put

795
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: cam Scatterboo over top of him, and some of it, yeah,

796
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: but some of it is like Lancelike sometimes you just

797
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: want to give guys visibility, and so I had given

798
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Dylan Sampson some visibility. But look, I really loved camp

799
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: schtabul And at the same time, I really like what

800
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: Dylan Sampson brings to the table. When I watched him

801
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: at Tennessee, man, speed, quickness, balance, burst, all that stuff

802
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: he puts it in. And the fact that you talked about, man,

803
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: you just don't score twenty plus touchdowns in the sec

804
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: like you put the ball in the paint. People can

805
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: talk about that offense and how they spread it out

806
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: or whatever, but I saw him carve up some big

807
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: time defenses like scooting and scoring around the corner.

808
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got an argument with a personnel director about him,

809
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: and they were trying to send me videos of him

810
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: with big lanes to run through I'm like, yeah, we

811
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: can all do that. I can show you Caleb Johnson

812
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: if you want, Like, we can all go to a

813
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: play and screenshot. This isn't hard. But I watched that

814
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: joker on every carry and he is really like he's

815
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: a talented, instinctive runner. I think, the same thing you

816
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: know in Cam Scattabull. It's it's really interesting talking to

817
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: teams who are there's internal fights in buildings right now

818
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: about him because you have some you have one section

819
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: which will fight for him, and then you'll have other

820
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: scouts or coaches or whatever. Well, typically coaches are on

821
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: his side, to be honest with That's kind of what

822
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm finding, and it's because they don't like there is

823
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: no preconceived notion he's a guy that looks like, you know,

824
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: a mini version of Mike Alstad or whatever. All I

825
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: know is when you watch him play, he's really hard

826
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: to tackle and he can catch the ball out of

827
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the backfield. He scores a lot of touchdowns. He's rarely

828
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: stopped on first impact, rarely. He creates for himself with

829
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: tremendous power and the bursts average. The speed is gonna

830
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: be below average in terms of top end speed, but

831
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: when you're trying to the way I see him Bucket

832
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: is I want to have a number one back, a

833
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: good number one, And then scatter Boy is my closer.

834
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna come. We're going to beat the hell out

835
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: of you with these two guys, And like, can you

836
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: imagine if Jim, you know, Hardball, got his hands on him.

837
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna want to We're just gonna play

838
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: bully ball. He's gonna get a couple and all he's

839
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna want to do is get downhill and break people off.

840
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: So you know, for me, Scatterball is that perfect second

841
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: back for a team that wants to play power running

842
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: down the downhill.

843
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: This look quickly to defense. We talked about the defensive

844
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: tacles and those guys. Anybody else that we need to

845
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: touch on who haven't we haven't kind of put enough

846
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: light on. I've talked about before coming from Michigan State

847
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: and those guys. But someone who we have about is TJ. Sanders.

848
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: Did you like him from South Carolina?

849
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: I did? I did, And you know, he's it's interesting.

850
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: I thought he's a little small on tape and then

851
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: I saw him at the combine. He's not the biggest guy,

852
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: but he's built really well. You know, sometimes you just

853
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: got to get eyeballs on somebody. It's hard to tell

854
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: on tape. You get eyeballs and you see guys who

855
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: have the body type and who don't. And he's got

856
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: the body type. Like I said, he's not the biggest guy,

857
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: but he's got a real NFL body type. And I

858
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: think I think he needs to be talked about. I

859
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: think Shamar Turner out of Texas A and M some

860
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: questions about the medicals on him. He had a leg injury,

861
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: so he hasn't been available for this process. His agent

862
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: says he's been medically cleared. You know, you got to

863
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: check in with teams to find out if they have

864
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: him on the border or not. Shamart Turner justin mattaweek eight.

865
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: That's the kind of player. Shamart Turner is the undersized

866
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: interior lineman who is really explosive and really really fierce.

867
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't give you any quarter at all. Every snap

868
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: is you're in a fistfight. And his problem is buck

869
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: he has like five to fifteen yard penalties. He can't

870
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: stop himself.

871
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: He's like a hockey gooon.

872
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: If you mess with one of his teammates. He's running

873
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: over and cleaning you up. And it's not even like

874
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: can't you do it inside a play where they can't

875
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: catch you, like you can't do it after the tackle

876
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: and they're resetting the football like it's it's late late.

877
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: But he has a joy for football. Talking to people

878
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: at A and M. They love him. I mean, they

879
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: absolutely love him. And I thought the fifteen yard pill leasion,

880
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out, is this a guy that

881
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: has anger issues? Is he out of control? Is he

882
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: an issue in practice in the locker room? Not at all.

883
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: They love Shamar Turner and they said he just goes

884
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: to war for his teammates. He just has to reel

885
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: it in a little bit. But Shamar Turner is somebody

886
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: who you need to talk about. Shamar Turner. And as

887
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: I mentioned, the other defensive tackle was as you said, TJ. Sanders,

888
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: those are two guys who can make plays on the here.

889
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: They're not just drain cloggers like they're guys who make plays.

890
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: And Jamary Caldwell from Oregon is another one of those guys,

891
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: kind of a sloppy body type and you think, eh,

892
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: but then when you will put the tape on him

893
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: and Vernon Broughton have these weird body types. Vernnon Broughton

894
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: from Texas. I think both of them get drafted in

895
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: the fourth. These jokers just make a ton of plays.

896
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: They're all over the place. But you know, I know

897
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: enough to know that NFL teams like guys that look

898
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: a certain way and have certain traits. But then once

899
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: you get past the third round, it's like, let's go

900
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: get the best for one we don't care who are

901
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: the best guys. Who are the best, most talented football

902
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: players we can get? And I think that's when Jamari

903
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: Caldwell and Vernon Broughton, two defensive tackles in this draft,

904
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: are gonna pop up. I like both of those guys.

905
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: They make a lot of plays.

906
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: Let's go linebacker situation. Everyone is all we talked to

907
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: nausea about Jalen Walker, Joha Campbell. There's love for especially

908
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: the guy kid from UCLA Sweat Julia's love for him.

909
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: But Dennis Stetsman from Oklahoma and someone that kind of

910
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: called my I love the playmaking. He ran faster than

911
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: people anticipated at the combine. Uh when you look at

912
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: him and wrote his profile, anything to you about him.

913
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: What about him and Barrett Carter, Because I feel like

914
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: Barret Carter is just well, he got rocks in his

915
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: in his in his pants, and they have just dropped

916
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: him to the bottom of the ocean when it comes

917
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 2: to the draft. Yeah.

918
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: So Barret Carter. I had a second round grade on

919
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: him last year when I wrote him up. Now lots changed.

920
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's going to go into fourth probably.

921
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I think the one thing is I thought he was

922
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: a four to four low four five four four forty

923
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: guy and he came out at his pro day. I'm

924
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: gonna pull it up for you right now. And this

925
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: is what I think it really hurt him is he

926
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: was supposed to be one of the things that stood

927
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: out with him was going to be his uh, his speed,

928
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: and then he ran a hold on a second up

929
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: right here. He ran a four to sixty three. That's

930
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: not slow, It's fine. His ten yard split was one

931
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: five to nine. But when you think a guy's going

932
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: to run a four to five to two, and then

933
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: he has a thirty three inch vertical jump, which is

934
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: not the most explosive vertical jump. He weighed in at

935
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: two thirty two. I think that's one of the things

936
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: that hurts a little bit. I know on tape, I

937
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: like him on tape. I mean, you know, the testing

938
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: and that's all part of it. But on tape, I

939
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: think he's a pretty good player. I like Barrett Carter.

940
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he's worthy of going on day two. From

941
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: the tape, I think because of his testing, he probably

942
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: goes on day three. Schwessinger has some of the best

943
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: instincts I've seen on tape the last several years. I mean,

944
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: it's like he's moving with the play. It's like he

945
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: knows where the play is. And he's not the biggest,

946
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: strongest guy, but because he's ahead of the blocking scheme,

947
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't get touched up the way some linebackers do.

948
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: He's able to slip blocks because he's running the play

949
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: for you and he's running the track for the running.

950
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: So he went from he's a one one year starter

951
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: with like a billion tackles and I guess the word

952
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you heard this was I heard from

953
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: somebody who knew people inside the UCLA program that said

954
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: he was just wrecking show Kelly's offense when he was

955
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: on Scout team defense, and for some reason, all the

956
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: players thought he should be, you know, he should be

957
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: a starter, and he didn't start until his last year,

958
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: and then he was a killer this year. Now he's

959
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: been a special team's ace the entire time of he

960
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: was are he's a former walk on, but he's got

961
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: good speed. He's an explosive. I think he's got like

962
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: a forty inch vertical. He's got explosiveness to him. The

963
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: one guy it's not a great it's it's considered a

964
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: down year for linebackers. The one guy that Danny Stutsman

965
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: is a good player. He ran well. Danny Stutsman's going

966
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: to be a starting linebacker in the league. I think

967
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: he goes in the third round. Another guy that deserves

968
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: more attention is Demetrius Knight from South Carolina. Kind of

969
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: a throwback in terms of body type, about two hundred

970
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: and forty eight pounds. He's big, he's physical, he can

971
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: run a little bit. He runs pretty well for being

972
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: his size. They say he is a phenomenal leader in

973
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: the locker room and on the field. A phenomenal leader,

974
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: very upbeat, a guy who brings good, positive, high energy

975
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: to the field and to the locker room. But he

976
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: also is gonna split your wig for you if you

977
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: try to get down hell on him. So you know

978
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: he's got that physicality between the tackles, and he's got

979
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: the demeanor that you want setting the tone on defense.

980
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: But once you get past Stutsman, Knight, Schwesssinger, Campbell Walker,

981
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: you start running into you start running into some ifs

982
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: and butts. I think from there and you better have

983
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: good special teams play. Even though I like Barry Carter too,

984
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: I give him a sixty two, which is a third,

985
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: But I just I don't think. I just I don't

986
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: think he goes in there. But Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon,

987
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: I think he'll be a solid player. Smell Munden has

988
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: had some foot injury issues. I think he'll be a

989
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: solid player. Uh, he gets it gets a little trickier

990
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: after that. So if you want linebackers, you probably need

991
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: to get him inside the first.

992
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: Ninety picks, last position group to cover. Just be the DB's.

993
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: We'll lump them all together. We've talked about all the

994
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: usual suspects at corner. Everyone has. We talked at nausea

995
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: about jadefe Aaron, We talked about Will Johnson. Uh, we

996
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: got the injured guys Shavonne Ravel and those guys Benjamin Morrison,

997
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: Maxwell Harrison has gotten love, caught fire of late. Let's

998
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: move beyond that. Who are the other guys? The other

999
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: guys that we need to talk about? That may not

1000
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: be first round guys, but when we get into that

1001
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: run and the second and third one, we're gonna be

1002
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: on the live show, Like, who are her names that

1003
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: we need to talk about? We need to at least

1004
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: flush out.

1005
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: Jacob Parish, Kansas state cornerback. Tremendous, short, area of quickness,

1006
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: very very sticky. There's sometimes he reminds me of Gyr

1007
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Alexander when he was coming out. He is a really

1008
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: sticky corner with sticky feet and is a natural fleet,

1009
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: free flowing athlete. He's got that basketball athleticism. I like

1010
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: Jacob Parrish a lot, and I think he ran like

1011
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: really really well if I remember correctly too, so I

1012
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: keep getting third on him. But I'm telling you, I

1013
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's definitely gonna outplay outplay that.

1014
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: From a trade standpoint, he weighed in at the combine.

1015
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you his combine numbers here in a second.

1016
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: But Jacob Parris is the guy that I'm gonna get

1017
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: hyped on when we are on the broadcast. He ran

1018
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: a four three five, he's got thirty seven and a

1019
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: half ins vertical, a ten to nine broad He is

1020
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: five foot ten, one ninety one. I mean, you know

1021
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the problem we have right now, Bucky, that you've probably

1022
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: seen too. Is it used to be oh good, we'll

1023
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: just throw him in a slot. Well, a lot of

1024
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: teams now want bigger, They want those hybrids now in

1025
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: the slot. So if this guy were five eleven and

1026
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: a half six foot, we may be talking about him

1027
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: in the first round. But it's strange because it's not

1028
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: like he's one hundred and seventy five pounds. He's one

1029
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: ninety one ninety one running in the four threes, and

1030
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: he's five to ten. That's kind of average size. But

1031
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: there are some teams that say, we just don't unless

1032
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: you're an absolute doll, we're not going to play you

1033
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: at slot because it's too valuable for us to have,

1034
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, a run defender in the slot. So I

1035
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: don't know where he goes. I think he's a really

1036
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: really good cornerback. He's somebody that I think is is

1037
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: going to be a good NFL player. I also think

1038
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: Jonah Sanker the safety out of Virginia. He is a

1039
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: heat seeking missile downhill. He's he's got real NFL size,

1040
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: six foot by two hundred and sixteen pounds, runs pretty well,

1041
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: can run and hit you. He's got some instincts underneath.

1042
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: But he's one of those guys that as soon as

1043
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: the play gets started. You know how there's some guys

1044
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: that are defensive players, and there's others who are running

1045
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: into the fire. You know, they say, like firefighters, you

1046
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: gotta have a different mentality when that cage door locks

1047
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: in the UFC, right, we've got to have a different mentality.

1048
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Jonah Sanker is one of those guys that where's the

1049
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: fire and he's flying in there trying to trying to

1050
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: go hit and be hit. So I like that. I

1051
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: like that, and it's funny because I'm finding the teams

1052
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: like him too. He doesn't get a lot of talk

1053
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: from the general public, but I think he's one of

1054
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: those guys that every team secretly hopes, Yeah, that's our

1055
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: guy in the third round. That's our guy in the

1056
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: third round. Well we'll see which one of y'all win

1057
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: the race.

1058
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be so interesting to see what that looks like,

1059
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: how that looks in terms of the guys who like

1060
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: those type players, who want to put those players in

1061
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: the back end. It's great that you brought up the

1062
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: different the shift that we're seeing in the slot players

1063
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: because so many colleges are playing with the quote unquote

1064
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Speaker 2: star position, that hybrid nickel. You have a lot of

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00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: different options that if you want as a slot defender,

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00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: do you want a safety type, do you want a

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00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: corner type, and those things the other things that's shifting.

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00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: Kyli Gordon getting paid from the Chicago Bears moving that

1069
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: up into the twenty million dollar category. The nickel position lance,

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00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: Now we're really looking for guys that have a specific

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00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: skill set for the slot. The nickel used to be

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00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: the throwaway. Ay, anybody that's little, we're gonna make them

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00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: a nickel. Anybody that's five eight, five nine, we're just

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00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna put them and make them a nickel corner. We'll

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: put them on board and kind of that's where they go.

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00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: Now it's a legitimate position, and it's interesting because you

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00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: have to grade twelve positions on defense for starters, and

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00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: a nickel position is one of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's why john Dy Barron. You know, some people

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00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: are gonna look at Johnny barn from Texas. They're gonna say, well,

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00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: where do we put him? Like we can't define his value.

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00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Another I talk to another defensive coach who told.

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Speaker 2: Me, oh, I love it.

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00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: He's he's Brian branch all over again. I got a

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: nickel who can play out in the slot if I want.

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00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: And so when you look at a guy like Johnny Barron,

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: he's got the versatility to play over a pass catching

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: tight end in the slot. He can play true slot,

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00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: he can play the overhang nickel that star where he

1090
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: can get after it as a run defender, and he

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: can step outside and play outside. So I think it's

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00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: his versatility that may have him as the first. Almost

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00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, I almost don't count him. He's like when

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods used to talk about, well, who's gonna finish second, Well, Travis.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be the best.

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Speaker 1: He's my first receiver in the draft. He's my first

1097
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: cornerback in the draft. So who's after him? I think

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00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: Bearing goes first because ahead of the other corners, because

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00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: he tested well. He had a great year this year,

1100
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: a lot of ball production, but versatility you just referenced it. Man,

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00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: the ability to play in and that nickel role and outside,

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00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: to play inside and outside comfortably and successfully, that's kind

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00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: of rare. So I think that it has made grading

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00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: these guys a lot more difficult. Brian Branch really showed

1105
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: you just go get a good football player, and a

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00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is going to figure out how to play.

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00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: He'll figure out how to play the safety, he'll figure

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00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: out how to play the corner. But you know, it

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00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: is it is tricky. They played Malachi Starks there this year.

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Speaker 1: Georgia did, but he got beat on a lot of routes.

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00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: Not bad, he just you know, he just wasn't like

1112
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: he's playing n He's playing cover nickel basically. So when

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00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: I'm watching him in coverage stuff, he's going up against

1114
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: some pretty good sec wide receivers. They want to dial

1115
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: the tape back to twenty twenty three, and he's playing

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00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: more of a split safety role. He's a lot better.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's coming downhill making plays, and so it

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Speaker 1: really it really makes it more challenging to look at

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00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: those players. But at the same time, for some NFL coaches,

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Speaker 1: they see, oh man, we love it. We love it

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00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: because now we can be varied in our defensive approaches

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00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: and our personnel groups, and you can't really out scheme us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that really what it gets down to,

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Speaker 1: Bucky right now is we don't want you to be

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Speaker 1: able to mismatch us. We want to mismatch you up front,

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Speaker 1: but which happens a lot with D line and O line.

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Speaker 1: We don't want you to mismatch us on the perimeter

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Speaker 1: with skill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a compelling thing. Last man, we made it.

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Speaker 2: Now we stressed it out an hour. We stressing out

1131
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: an hour talking about all this stuff and look bad.

1132
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: It's on me. Let me finish it because that was

1133
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: a winning combination brought to you by Lows. We help

1134
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: you save. But no, like we stressed out, and there's

1135
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: so many things to talk about. I think we have

1136
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Speaker 2: another podcast before we go to the draft. I don't know,

1137
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Speaker 2: maybe Wednesday or something. We'll come back and kind of

1138
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: talk about that. I know, we got the post stuff

1139
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: I got you on one of the days, and then

1140
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: we'll pull some other guys in.

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: But we got the mock. We got Buckie. We got

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Speaker 1: Buckie Brooks's mock four point zero.

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Speaker 2: I guess something. I'm sitting here working on that right

1144
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: now as we go through it, because I'm a little

1145
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: late to the party. But we will get it. We're

1146
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: gonna get it done. But look, that's today's a podcast.

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00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: Moves to stakes me, Lancey. We'll be back later in

1148
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: the week to discuss all things the draft as we

1149
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: get ready for a huge event, maybe the biggest event

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Speaker 2: on the scouting Community's counting until next time, I'm Bucky.

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Speaker 2: That's lance We'll talk to you