WEBVTT - Beginners Guide to Building Your Family on Purpose (Hunter’s Edition) 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.760 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.880 you by go Wild. Now. The go Wild app has 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.840 added some really cool and exciting functionality to their app, 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.480 and the first one I want to talk about is 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.319 the near me function and basically what this does. It 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.800 allows you to engage and connect with people in your area. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.000 You guys can talk about gear you guys can talk 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.720 about hunting areas, you guys can talk about what's going 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.840 on in the woods, and it just allows the users 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.839 to be more of a community and connect easier. The 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.440 second part is the gearbox and what the gearboxes. 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I'll also be 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.400 your host into the world of hunting the icon of 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:35.160 the North American wilderness prepare. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.960 We will also bring you into some of the wildest 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:47.760 country on the planet chasing fair. This week we're putting 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.800 it in a little bit different gear and I've got 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.040 my buddy Josh, filmmaker, Malichi Nichols, and Ben Lagron at 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:01.919 the Global Headquarters. We have a pretty enlightening discussion about 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.160 how Maliki gave me the stiff arm on going in 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.640 partners on a boat. We talked about the Gary Newcom 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.120 Hunting School of Hard Knocks summer camp that Josh Spillmaker attended, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:19.880 and we talked about building family culture. Building family culture 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.359 in the time of crisis and instability. I think the 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.880 response of of anybody to the people that they love 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.160 is to to build stability for them. And so we 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.600 have a really fun conversation about building family culture and 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:43.000 what that means, values, philosophies, culture, and I think you're 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:48.400 gonna enjoy this podcast. We just went to print with 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.480 the July August issue of Bear Hunting Magazine. It is 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:57.119 a great issue. A lot of great articles, some Lama articles, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.560 some hound a lot of hound stuff. Uh. We even 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.600 teach people how to make some bear hide chaps. Anyway, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.760 check out Bear Hunting Magazine. You can subscribe to Bear 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.360 Hunting Magazine. Get it six times per year, mailed to 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:16.440 your door. Incredible, incredible thing. Hey, I hope you enjoyed 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:25.280 this podcast. We are at the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.560 I think I know all of you have been here before. Yes, 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.800 at one time or another. This has been the first 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:37.880 time on the podcast. Well and Malachots first time, but 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.520 not Josh's first time. Well, hey we are We're at 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.000 the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Do you guy? Did 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.120 you guys notice anything new in here? It's kind of 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.960 smells like mothballs. Okay, that is new. That is that 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.480 snake deterrent. It's I feel like the mobs are trying 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.200 to get to my bears. Okay, guys, it's a little 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:06.640 more obvious than what you're feeling. The table, Look at 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:11.400 that n at that This is like a This is 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.840 like a card table. I bought this at an antique 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.680 store and it's it's a like probably a two by 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.960 two two and a half by two and a half 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.000 square table with fold out legs, and it's old, it's 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:32.200 very old, and it has this beautiful old painting of 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.760 a fox hunting scenes certainly from Europe. And it's like 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.080 it's like got all these running walkers and these guys 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.320 on horses, and I like that this This lady's like 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.920 bringing her man some food here. I told Mr. I said, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.640 I mean, you know, you could bring me food while 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:51.920 I was riding my mule if you wanted to do do. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.159 Are you gonna put a thatched roof on your house? 0:04:54.560 --> 0:05:00.640 That roof? But so when I saw this, like I 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:07.040 was like, this is the foundational stuff from where we 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.360 get our hound hunting culture in North America is from 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.680 the European hunting culture. And I'm sitting there in this 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.840 uh in this antique store looking at this and and 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.080 it's like this rich cultural scene. I mean, I like it. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.120 Like families are involved. You know, think about the guys 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.600 that bred. I mean, there's like twenty five dogs there 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.159 that those horses had to be trained. Those didn't just 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.240 they weren't just born trained. Somebody trained those horses. Somebody 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.720 developed a craft, somebody bred those dogs. That the families, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:45.400 you know, the how and that, my friends, is no 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:50.200 longer in existence. For the most part, the European hound 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.960 hunting culture is gone, essentially gone there there, it's still there. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.240 I have people right in and say, no, we still hunt, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.120 and they do. There's a few, but in general it 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:06.000 is gone. So I came back talked to Kolbe about 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.520 I told him what I saw, and uh, I went 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.960 back and I bought this. And you know what I'm 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.920 gonna do with We're actually using it as a table 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.440 here today. I got all my podcast stuff set up 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.320 on it. It looks like a picture frame, though, doesn't it? 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.120 Like to the tabletop looks like a picture frame. I'm 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.960 gonna take the legs off of that thing because I 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.880 don't really need a table in here, even though it's 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.919 kind of convenient. And I'm gonna put it as a 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.200 picture right above your head. Do you see that? If 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.000 the guys are looking up right right there on the 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.760 ceiling of the loft here. So there's gonna be a 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.800 a big painting of this European hound hunt on the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:48.600 ceiling the bare Honey Magazine Global Headquarters. Oh you teach 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.839 me up, Like I was like confused, like why did 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.279 you see it? So that people walk in here and 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.920 say why is that painting on the ceiling, And I'm 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:04.600 gonna say, as they didn't guard the gate. They didn't 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:09.160 guard the gate. That that scene is no longer on 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.320 the earth, It's not on the flat walled. I got 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.080 pictures all in here of all this honey, all this culture, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.400 all this life, all this shared experience, and this is 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.640 still here. You know. We can still hunt deer, we 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.240 still quail hunt, we still ride our mules and bear hunt, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.480 but that they don't and I want my children to 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.720 be able to jumpana mule go coon hunting. So it's 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:39.200 gonna be there is a symbolic as a symbolic gesture too, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.080 we better guard the gate. Do you know what guarden 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:48.160 get means? Malichi been been in? Malachi are okay? Essentially, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.680 guard the gate is a phrase that we use Bear 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:57.960 Hunting Magazine to say that the bear hunting is the 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.800 entry point for the anti hunting community to come into 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.960 to the North American space of hunting. Like they're not 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.560 after the quail hunters, They're not after the deer hunters. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.600 It's the bear hunters, and it's also the hound hunters. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.320 Like hound hunting is an easy narrative for people to 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:17.560 twist and for someone to not understand. And so that 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.600 is the easy place for the anti hunting community to 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.240 come in and twist the narrative and say these are barbarians, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.920 this is an outdated, irrelevant practice, and so and the 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.959 anti hunting communities whole strategy is incrementalism, like they're picking 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.600 off one thing at a time so much so like 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.360 a frog and boiling water. You know, you don't realize 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.160 it until you wake up in your seventy and you 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.960 can't do what you used to could do. And so 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.520 it's a it's a it's a pretty big We talked 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.960 about that a lot because the hunting the hunting world 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.080 has sort of been ignored or the bear hunting world, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.280 excuse me. And so what we're trying to do is 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:00.640 build this strong narrative of ethics, conservation, humane harvests, like 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.920 all these things like why bear hunting is no different 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.360 then the other top of hunting, and how harvesting wild 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:13.559 game is no different and in in in fact more 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.480 humane than the bacon that we just ate in there. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.760 I mean, you live in a glass house if you 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:25.840 think that that bacon was was ethically and honorably raised 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.719 and harvested, and people people don't have a problem with that. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.960 I mean, like, but then they might say they have 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.200 a problem with me going and killing the bear, and 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.000 it's like, nah, we gotta guard the gate. That makes sense. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.760 And to your point, Clay, just thinking about the origins 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.120 of of kind of our hunting tradition even to date, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.400 when you look back at at historical references like this, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.959 it's not there anymore, and all those things have died off. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.400 So if we don't do something now, we're gonna we 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.200 would logically have to expect that the traditions we have 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.920 now will die off. Right. Well, we live in a 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.520 the very nature of the earth today is one of 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.880 massive increase of communication. Used to things could hide in 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.680 the shadows and kind of just be out of sight. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:22.120 Not anymore. Social media is called is wreaking havoc on 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.280 a whole lot of stuff, not just hunting. But it's 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.280 like it's like showing the world and so globalization, like 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.240 people from all over the world follow social media from 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.000 North America. And the answer is not to quit putting 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.600 stuff on social media. Part of the answer is don't 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.160 put stupid stuff on social media. Don't put fringe stuff 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.200 that doesn't happen very often, and that's just a very 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:50.360 nature of the problem is that when something sensational happens, 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.520 like in a hunting situation, like say, you know, that's 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.199 what you want to talk about, because the other four 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.679 hundred days that you went hunting that didn't happen, and 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.679 and so you put this sensational thing on the internet, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.600 and then that brands the whole scene. So you know, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.440 we we do have to part of guard in the 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.520 gate is having wisdom with what you put on social 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.840 media about hunting, because every facet of hunting, every facet 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.040 of farming, every facet of driving a car down the road. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:22.960 Driving a car down the road can have a bad 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.600 narrative people dyeing crash, So be like putting a picture 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.800 of a crash car and someone injured in a photo 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.120 and put it on social media and then the world 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.800 saying cars are terrible, cars kill people. Well, yeah they do, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.880 but most of the time they don't. You're with me, Yeah, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:46.720 there's so much there's just there's just okay, there's so 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.760 much information out there that it's like anything we see 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.480 now has to be sensationalized for us, for it to 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:59.760 get our attention. Yeah it's true. Yeah, yeah, well okay, 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.360 I didn't I really didn't intend for I love it. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.679 I had to tell you about my table though. This 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.559 is this is gonna be major, This is gonna be 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.400 a major addition to the fair. So hey, let me 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.960 introduce my guests. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give a 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.439 short introduction, then come back and give a longer introduction. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.400 So I have Josh Spillmaker. Josh has been on the 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.960 podcast before. Josh is like, well, I'm not gonna talk. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.720 I'm gonna give you introduction. And then we have Malichi 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.640 Nichols like a long time friend, but you've never been 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.400 on the podcast, okay. And then to my left, Benjamin 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:36.800 Lagron Um, it's been waving to the crowd. I've been 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.080 been has never been on the podcast, And there's different 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.520 reasons why I've I've I have you guys on this 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:48.440 podcast because we're all at different stages of life, except 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.199 for Josh and I are kind of in the same stage. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:56.360 Um but uh, but so we're gonna we'll talk about Well, so, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:02.240 Ben you have three daughters. How old are they? Six? 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.040 Four and two? So you're like in the heat at 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.720 the moment. Okay, So and then Malachi, how many kids 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.160 do you have? No kids? Doesn't have any kids? Is 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.719 pretty newly married. How old are you, Malachi? How have 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.040 you been? Thirty two? Okay, and Josh, you have three kids? 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.240 I have three children. Oldest is twenty, my middle one 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.720 is eighteen, and my youngest is fourteen. Yeah, girl, boy, girl. Yeah. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.320 So what we're gonna talk about today is is uh 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.840 is building family culture. We may find a different phrase 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.640 to use, but that's the way that I would describe it. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.040 So I wanted to. I wanted to here's some stuff 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:45.280 from the guy who is future casting of what with kids. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.640 But I mean, you're already building family kid I've been 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.840 for about three and a half years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.800 So you're not future casting, but you're you're building foundation 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.920 big time for when you do have kids. And then 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.360 and then Ben is right in the heat of it. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.280 So just different stages. But before we do that, I 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.880 wanted to. I wanted to so, Josh, I don't think 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.679 these guys know that you used to be the assistant 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:18.560 assistant to assistant to the editor of a small regional 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.240 publication that I used to vaguely put together. It was 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.560 called the Arkansas Bear and Buck Journal. It was a 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:32.360 very classy publication. Listen, one day, one day I was, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.560 I was, I was building this magazine. I mean it 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.120 was I published the magazine. I mean like I didn't 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.880 have a boss, you know, and uh, we were going 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.040 to print like that day or something, and I was like, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.440 it'd be funny to put Josh's name in there. So 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.920 I put Josh's name. And I put Josh's name in 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.360 like the like right beneath mine and our other buddy, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:59.880 Jonathan Rose put you know, Clay nucom editor, publisher, Josh Spillmaker, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.600 Jonathan Rose, assistant editors, and then just went right down 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.200 the line. Nobody ever said away prove freed a few 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.360 articles back in my day, Jonathan Rose dead, Did you 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.880 hang up the journal? At least I think I still 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.280 have so, I mean there's probably something right over there. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.640 I have your name because once I did it, I 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:24.440 never took it out. How many years, well we produced 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.960 it for five years. You are now liable. So if 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.800 you get an email, you know why. The opinions expressed 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.920 on the Arkansas baron Buck Drill did not reflect the 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.600 opinions of Josh, so Okay, So Josh and I have 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.120 been longtime friends, and Josh, I was trying to find 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.720 a way to describe you, and I've I've got it perfect. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.440 I mean, you know, because we're saying we have to 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.560 be conscious of the sphere that we're inside of, and 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.800 like people that are listening to this for the most part, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.760 or hunters for the most part. So you know, I'm 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.920 kind of introducing to you. It's like the hunting Josh. Okay, yeah, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.840 so here here here, this would be like on your resume. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:08.560 There's only been one graduate of the Gary Newcombs Hunting 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.160 School of Hard Knocks that graduated, and that would be me, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.960 I know, the one that graduated. My brothers were both 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.680 in the school. They didn't make it. They didn't make it. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:26.840 God love him. There there um but semesters no. Well, listen, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.520 if Gary Knwcomb had had like a summer camp, if 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.440 the Gary Newcoms School of Hunting the hard Knocks had 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.040 had a summer camp, you would have gone to the 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.920 summer camp and like got the shirt and went through it. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.880 Because so for like the better part of on and 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:50.520 off for twenty years, Josh's you know, probably probably fourteen 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.280 of twenty years. Fifteen of twenty years, we've gotten down 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.520 in hunting with my dad in public land in southwest Arkansas. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.760 Would you say that's about right? So you uh you, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:08.440 you have some Gary Newcomb paraphernalia. A significant portion of 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.240 my hunting gear has come through Gary Newcomb, whether voluntarily 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.879 or involuntarily. Your bow, my bow, you're still sporting those 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:26.000 real tree cameras from I stole his flashlight, his stream 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.840 light flashlight for about three years before I gave it back. Yeah, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.160 so uh so. But but Josh and i' hunted together 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.879 on the podcast you're on before we were talking about 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.040 generational continues, we're talking about raising kids. We told your 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.439 famous story of killing the first day you bow hunted 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.399 public land, you killed the deer. Tried to keep it 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.399 a secret from you, but you spotted the dime sized 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.679 spot of blood on my boots from like two miles 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.040 away as you drove up to get me. Yeah, so 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.520 I took We We won't go into the full story, 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.680 but Josh killed the deal. The first day you ever 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.240 setting a tree too in bow hunt, and he drugs 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.560 he drags it early in the morning. It was like 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.359 we didn't have cell phones, so it's like he you know, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.080 I was gonna come pick him up at eleven and 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.000 so you know, he killed this deer at like am. 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.080 So he drags the deer out to the road and 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.600 uh and goes to sleep off the road kind of 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.520 off the road. Yeah, yeah, like for a pillow and 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:25.960 took a two and he wakes up and uh, they're 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:33.320 buzzards surrounding him. So these buzzards were like, we got 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.800 a pretty big old boy, and they were like, well, 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.679 I don't know what happened there, but something happened. And 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.000 so they landed and we're like about probably to pack 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.760 his eyeballs out when he woke up. And then you 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.560 had turkeys walked by you. It's pretty so yeah. And 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.600 then uh, and we've had it added off together. I mean, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.199 you've coon hunted with me, You've you've done quite a 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.440 bit of stuff with me. Hunting was always enjoyable time. Yeah, 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.160 David killed a turkey with us, and we have turkey 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:07.160 youth turkey hunted, Yes, we have. Yeah. Awesome. So in Malachi, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:13.960 you didn't know this, but uh, well, so Maliki, I'm 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:21.200 gonna die listening here. And so Maliki is an Arkansas 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:26.600 licensed hunter. Oh, Yeah, it's real serious. Renewal in end 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.960 of June one year, coming up on my one year anniversary. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.440 It's real serious. So this is your first Arkansas hunting 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.040 license that you've ever bought. Though it is true you 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.600 grew up in Texas. Grew up in Texas. Yeah, but 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.440 you did a little bit of hunting in Tea. But 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.760 but you wouldn't call yourself a hunt definitely not. I 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.119 did a little arm and hunting back in elementary school 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.160 with like a little fourteen yeah, going out shooting varmints 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.080 with my friend and his dad in Midland, in Midland, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.920 Texas yea. And then did a little quail and dove hunting. 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:58.360 Hometown of George hometime of George w Wah. I don't 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.439 think that hometown of George see his dad. Uh, George 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.639 h did his old business there and that's how he 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.280 got got his money. And then the sun was I 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.200 don't know if George w was born there, but I 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.120 knew he went to elementary school there, and so that's 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.200 how Midlands. When I left Midland, it was about two 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.560 hundred thousand. Now it's close to about three or four 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:26.400 hundred thousand from they had a big old boom old money. Yeah, 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.720 back when a couple of a couple of years ago, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.880 maybe Midland was like the biggest producer at all. Did 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.680 you know, said I heard George H. W. Bush say 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:42.520 one time that the difference between him and George W. 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.399 You're talking about the dad of the son. Okay, George 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.440 W is the son. George W. Said the difference between 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:56.040 him and his dad was Midland, Texas because George W. 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.000 Was kind of like this, you know, kind of folksy 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:05.840 kind uh you know, like I don't know not yeah, yeah, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.399 kind of texting in in. George H. Was like a 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:15.680 rich boy from the north, a little more polished. Yeah yeah, 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.679 yeah yeah, middle of Texas is my hometown. So I 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.280 want to say to you though, that you you're qualified 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.520 to call yourself a hunter if you wanted to that, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.680 because I've shot I mean just you went hunting, yeah, 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.320 I mean, and you find it with me? Yeah, we 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.280 have cool hunting. Yeah. Um. And now he bought his 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.720 license because we were going to try to go duck 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:46.119 hunting this year, but we it just didn't happen. But 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:51.440 but did y'all know that I tried to get Malichi 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:58.800 to go in with me and buy a boat hold on. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:03.680 That's why that publicly ask him why he didn't want 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.960 to go in with me boat. Cut on, hold on, 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.600 hold on, let me listeners, listeners, listen, listen to me. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.479 Clay and I were talking one day and we were 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.320 talking about we had fried some fish. Came over here 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.440 and had had a fish fry and he was like, man, 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.440 it's so nice to go out and catch fish, come 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.200 back home and cook it. And I was like, yeah, 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.560 let's do more fishing. Okay, So I'm thinking I'm gonna 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.679 go get a fishing pole and we're just gonna go 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.360 out to the creek to do a little fishing. The 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.520 next text message from Clay nucok, what do you think 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.240 about going in on the boat? And I'm thinking, like, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.440 you just want to rent a boat or for the weekend, 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:44.080 And he's like, I'm talking about buying the boat's whole. 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:46.720 I just want some fishing poles. And I'm talking about 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:48.360 every once in a while, I don't want to buy 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.359 a boat, you know, like where do you have it? 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:55.480 You're texting somebody and they like respond back, go back 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.160 and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.840 you asked this question and there's like siloce and you're 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.600 like and for like the first five minutes, you're like, ah, 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.080 he must have just said his phone down. And then 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.040 after like thirty minutes, you're like, he probably went for 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:14.320 a run. And then after an hour you're like, he's 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.120 he's not happy with what I said. When? So when 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.760 when Malachi and I multiple times we've fried fish together, 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.639 and I can tell the man likes to fry fish. 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.840 We kind of enjoyed like cooking for our wives. And 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.800 so I'm like, all right, I got a friend. I 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:35.200 got a friend that wants to catch fish, and so 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.960 anyway I messaged him. I was like, hey, you want 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.720 to go out on He went from like zero to 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:48.399 like he doesn't do anything real quick. So anyway, okay, 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:54.320 at least I know why why you still farm me though, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.520 But okay, that it offers still stands. Offers still stands. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:04.400 We didn't need to go fishing. Um Okay, Benjamin lagron Man, Okay, now, 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.840 Ben Ben has you have a long history of hunting, 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:13.320 but not real I mean, you're not super serious about it. 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:14.960 Would you describe how would you describe your heart? I 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.520 would say I was really serious growing up. I've just 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.760 since I've had three little kids, and the thought of 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.520 trying to add that to my schedules pretty daunting. Grew 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.640 up in like, yeah, deer camps and stuff with. Oh yeah, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.320 So I grew up Central Arkansas mainly deer hunting. The 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.879 second highest thing I did was probably duck hunting, but 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.440 you know, I did some squirrel, a little bit of 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.000 turkey quill and all that. But yeah, we I grew 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:42.600 up hunting in um deep South Arkansas and for most 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:46.160 of my childhood. Man, we had a pretty primitive camp. 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.680 It was rough in it, and that made me pretty 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:52.879 battle hardened, I think in a good way. Like I 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.640 knew what it I knew what it meant to sacrifice 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.840 for the kill. I mean, I knew hunting was work, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:03.159