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Go Wild It's an awesome app. 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Check them out. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: your host into the world of hunting the icon of 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: the North American wilderness prepare. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation. 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: We will also bring you into some of the wildest 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: country on the planet chasing fair. This week we're putting 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: it in a little bit different gear and I've got 28 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: my buddy Josh, filmmaker, Malichi Nichols, and Ben Lagron at 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: the Global Headquarters. We have a pretty enlightening discussion about 30 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: how Maliki gave me the stiff arm on going in 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: partners on a boat. We talked about the Gary Newcom 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Hunting School of Hard Knocks summer camp that Josh Spillmaker attended, 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: and we talked about building family culture. Building family culture 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: in the time of crisis and instability. I think the 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: response of of anybody to the people that they love 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: is to to build stability for them. And so we 37 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: have a really fun conversation about building family culture and 38 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: what that means, values, philosophies, culture, and I think you're 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy this podcast. We just went to print with 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the July August issue of Bear Hunting Magazine. It is 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: a great issue. A lot of great articles, some Lama articles, 42 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: some hound a lot of hound stuff. Uh. We even 43 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: teach people how to make some bear hide chaps. Anyway, 44 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: check out Bear Hunting Magazine. You can subscribe to Bear 45 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine. Get it six times per year, mailed to 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: your door. Incredible, incredible thing. Hey, I hope you enjoyed 47 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: this podcast. We are at the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. 48 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: I think I know all of you have been here before. Yes, 49 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: at one time or another. This has been the first 50 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: time on the podcast. Well and Malachots first time, but 51 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: not Josh's first time. Well, hey we are We're at 52 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Do you guy? Did 53 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: you guys notice anything new in here? It's kind of 54 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: smells like mothballs. Okay, that is new. That is that 55 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: snake deterrent. It's I feel like the mobs are trying 56 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: to get to my bears. Okay, guys, it's a little 57 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: more obvious than what you're feeling. The table, Look at 58 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: that n at that This is like a This is 59 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: like a card table. I bought this at an antique 60 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: store and it's it's a like probably a two by 61 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: two two and a half by two and a half 62 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: square table with fold out legs, and it's old, it's 63 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: very old, and it has this beautiful old painting of 64 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: a fox hunting scenes certainly from Europe. And it's like 65 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: it's like got all these running walkers and these guys 66 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: on horses, and I like that this This lady's like 67 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: bringing her man some food here. I told Mr. I said, 68 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you could bring me food while 69 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: I was riding my mule if you wanted to do do. 70 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: Are you gonna put a thatched roof on your house? 71 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: That roof? But so when I saw this, like I 72 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: was like, this is the foundational stuff from where we 73 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: get our hound hunting culture in North America is from 74 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: the European hunting culture. And I'm sitting there in this 75 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: uh in this antique store looking at this and and 76 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: it's like this rich cultural scene. I mean, I like it. 77 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: Like families are involved. You know, think about the guys 78 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: that bred. I mean, there's like twenty five dogs there 79 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: that those horses had to be trained. Those didn't just 80 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: they weren't just born trained. Somebody trained those horses. Somebody 81 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: developed a craft, somebody bred those dogs. That the families, 82 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, the how and that, my friends, is no 83 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: longer in existence. For the most part, the European hound 84 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: hunting culture is gone, essentially gone there there, it's still there. 85 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I have people right in and say, no, we still hunt, 86 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: and they do. There's a few, but in general it 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: is gone. So I came back talked to Kolbe about 88 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: I told him what I saw, and uh, I went 89 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: back and I bought this. And you know what I'm 90 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: gonna do with We're actually using it as a table 91 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: here today. I got all my podcast stuff set up 92 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: on it. It looks like a picture frame, though, doesn't it? 93 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: Like to the tabletop looks like a picture frame. I'm 94 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: gonna take the legs off of that thing because I 95 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: don't really need a table in here, even though it's 96 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: kind of convenient. And I'm gonna put it as a 97 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: picture right above your head. Do you see that? If 98 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: the guys are looking up right right there on the 99 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: ceiling of the loft here. So there's gonna be a 100 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: a big painting of this European hound hunt on the 101 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: ceiling the bare Honey Magazine Global Headquarters. Oh you teach 102 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: me up, Like I was like confused, like why did 103 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: you see it? So that people walk in here and 104 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: say why is that painting on the ceiling, And I'm 105 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna say, as they didn't guard the gate. They didn't 106 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: guard the gate. That that scene is no longer on 107 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: the earth, It's not on the flat walled. I got 108 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: pictures all in here of all this honey, all this culture, 109 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: all this life, all this shared experience, and this is 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: still here. You know. We can still hunt deer, we 111 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: still quail hunt, we still ride our mules and bear hunt, 112 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: but that they don't and I want my children to 113 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: be able to jumpana mule go coon hunting. So it's 114 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: gonna be there is a symbolic as a symbolic gesture too, 115 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: we better guard the gate. Do you know what guarden 116 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: get means? Malichi been been in? Malachi are okay? Essentially, 117 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: guard the gate is a phrase that we use Bear 118 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine to say that the bear hunting is the 119 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: entry point for the anti hunting community to come into 120 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: to the North American space of hunting. Like they're not 121 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: after the quail hunters, They're not after the deer hunters. 122 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: It's the bear hunters, and it's also the hound hunters. 123 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Like hound hunting is an easy narrative for people to 124 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: twist and for someone to not understand. And so that 125 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: is the easy place for the anti hunting community to 126 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: come in and twist the narrative and say these are barbarians, 127 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: this is an outdated, irrelevant practice, and so and the 128 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: anti hunting communities whole strategy is incrementalism, like they're picking 129 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: off one thing at a time so much so like 130 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: a frog and boiling water. You know, you don't realize 131 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: it until you wake up in your seventy and you 132 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: can't do what you used to could do. And so 133 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a pretty big We talked 134 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: about that a lot because the hunting the hunting world 135 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: has sort of been ignored or the bear hunting world, 136 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: excuse me. And so what we're trying to do is 137 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: build this strong narrative of ethics, conservation, humane harvests, like 138 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: all these things like why bear hunting is no different 139 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: then the other top of hunting, and how harvesting wild 140 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: game is no different and in in in fact more 141 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: humane than the bacon that we just ate in there. 142 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you live in a glass house if you 143 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: think that that bacon was was ethically and honorably raised 144 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: and harvested, and people people don't have a problem with that. 145 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, but then they might say they have 146 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: a problem with me going and killing the bear, and 147 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: it's like, nah, we gotta guard the gate. That makes sense. 148 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: And to your point, Clay, just thinking about the origins 149 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: of of kind of our hunting tradition even to date, 150 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: when you look back at at historical references like this, 151 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: it's not there anymore, and all those things have died off. 152 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: So if we don't do something now, we're gonna we 153 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: would logically have to expect that the traditions we have 154 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: now will die off. Right. Well, we live in a 155 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: the very nature of the earth today is one of 156 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: massive increase of communication. Used to things could hide in 157 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: the shadows and kind of just be out of sight. 158 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: Not anymore. Social media is called is wreaking havoc on 159 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff, not just hunting. But it's 160 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: like it's like showing the world and so globalization, like 161 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: people from all over the world follow social media from 162 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: North America. And the answer is not to quit putting 163 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: stuff on social media. Part of the answer is don't 164 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: put stupid stuff on social media. Don't put fringe stuff 165 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen very often, and that's just a very 166 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: nature of the problem is that when something sensational happens, 167 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: like in a hunting situation, like say, you know, that's 168 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: what you want to talk about, because the other four 169 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: hundred days that you went hunting that didn't happen, and 170 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: and so you put this sensational thing on the internet, 171 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: and then that brands the whole scene. So you know, 172 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: we we do have to part of guard in the 173 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: gate is having wisdom with what you put on social 174 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: media about hunting, because every facet of hunting, every facet 175 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: of farming, every facet of driving a car down the road. 176 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: Driving a car down the road can have a bad 177 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: narrative people dyeing crash, So be like putting a picture 178 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: of a crash car and someone injured in a photo 179 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: and put it on social media and then the world 180 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: saying cars are terrible, cars kill people. Well, yeah they do, 181 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: but most of the time they don't. You're with me, Yeah, 182 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: there's so much there's just there's just okay, there's so 183 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: much information out there that it's like anything we see 184 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: now has to be sensationalized for us, for it to 185 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: get our attention. Yeah it's true. Yeah, yeah, well okay, 186 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: I didn't I really didn't intend for I love it. 187 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I had to tell you about my table though. This 188 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: is this is gonna be major, This is gonna be 189 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: a major addition to the fair. So hey, let me 190 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: introduce my guests. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give a 191 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: short introduction, then come back and give a longer introduction. 192 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: So I have Josh Spillmaker. Josh has been on the 193 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: podcast before. Josh is like, well, I'm not gonna talk. 194 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you introduction. And then we have Malichi 195 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: Nichols like a long time friend, but you've never been 196 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: on the podcast, okay. And then to my left, Benjamin 197 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: Lagron Um, it's been waving to the crowd. I've been 198 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: been has never been on the podcast, And there's different 199 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: reasons why I've I've I have you guys on this 200 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: podcast because we're all at different stages of life, except 201 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: for Josh and I are kind of in the same stage. 202 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: Um but uh, but so we're gonna we'll talk about Well, so, 203 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Ben you have three daughters. How old are they? Six? 204 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Four and two? So you're like in the heat at 205 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: the moment. Okay, So and then Malachi, how many kids 206 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: do you have? No kids? Doesn't have any kids? Is 207 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: pretty newly married. How old are you, Malachi? How have 208 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: you been? Thirty two? Okay, and Josh, you have three kids? 209 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: I have three children. Oldest is twenty, my middle one 210 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: is eighteen, and my youngest is fourteen. Yeah, girl, boy, girl. Yeah. 211 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: So what we're gonna talk about today is is uh 212 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: is building family culture. We may find a different phrase 213 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: to use, but that's the way that I would describe it. 214 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: So I wanted to. I wanted to here's some stuff 215 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: from the guy who is future casting of what with kids. 216 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: But I mean, you're already building family kid I've been 217 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: for about three and a half years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 218 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: So you're not future casting, but you're you're building foundation 219 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: big time for when you do have kids. And then 220 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: and then Ben is right in the heat of it. 221 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: So just different stages. But before we do that, I 222 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to so, Josh, I don't think 223 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: these guys know that you used to be the assistant 224 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: assistant to assistant to the editor of a small regional 225 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: publication that I used to vaguely put together. It was 226 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: called the Arkansas Bear and Buck Journal. It was a 227 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: very classy publication. Listen, one day, one day I was, 228 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: I was, I was building this magazine. I mean it 229 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: was I published the magazine. I mean like I didn't 230 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: have a boss, you know, and uh, we were going 231 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: to print like that day or something, and I was like, 232 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: it'd be funny to put Josh's name in there. So 233 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: I put Josh's name. And I put Josh's name in 234 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: like the like right beneath mine and our other buddy, 235 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Rose put you know, Clay nucom editor, publisher, Josh Spillmaker, 236 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: Jonathan Rose, assistant editors, and then just went right down 237 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: the line. Nobody ever said away prove freed a few 238 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: articles back in my day, Jonathan Rose dead, Did you 239 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: hang up the journal? At least I think I still 240 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: have so, I mean there's probably something right over there. 241 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: I have your name because once I did it, I 242 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: never took it out. How many years, well we produced 243 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: it for five years. You are now liable. So if 244 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: you get an email, you know why. The opinions expressed 245 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: on the Arkansas baron Buck Drill did not reflect the 246 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: opinions of Josh, so Okay, So Josh and I have 247 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: been longtime friends, and Josh, I was trying to find 248 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: a way to describe you, and I've I've got it perfect. 249 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because we're saying we have to 250 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: be conscious of the sphere that we're inside of, and 251 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: like people that are listening to this for the most part, 252 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: or hunters for the most part. So you know, I'm 253 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: kind of introducing to you. It's like the hunting Josh. Okay, yeah, 254 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: so here here here, this would be like on your resume. 255 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: There's only been one graduate of the Gary Newcombs Hunting 256 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: School of Hard Knocks that graduated, and that would be me, 257 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: I know, the one that graduated. My brothers were both 258 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: in the school. They didn't make it. They didn't make it. 259 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: God love him. There there um but semesters no. Well, listen, 260 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: if Gary Knwcomb had had like a summer camp, if 261 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: the Gary Newcoms School of Hunting the hard Knocks had 262 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: had a summer camp, you would have gone to the 263 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: summer camp and like got the shirt and went through it. 264 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Because so for like the better part of on and 265 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: off for twenty years, Josh's you know, probably probably fourteen 266 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: of twenty years. Fifteen of twenty years, we've gotten down 267 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: in hunting with my dad in public land in southwest Arkansas. 268 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: Would you say that's about right? So you uh you, 269 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: you have some Gary Newcomb paraphernalia. A significant portion of 270 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: my hunting gear has come through Gary Newcomb, whether voluntarily 271 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: or involuntarily. Your bow, my bow, you're still sporting those 272 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: real tree cameras from I stole his flashlight, his stream 273 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: light flashlight for about three years before I gave it back. Yeah, 274 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: so uh so. But but Josh and i' hunted together 275 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: on the podcast you're on before we were talking about 276 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: generational continues, we're talking about raising kids. We told your 277 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: famous story of killing the first day you bow hunted 278 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: public land, you killed the deer. Tried to keep it 279 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: a secret from you, but you spotted the dime sized 280 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: spot of blood on my boots from like two miles 281 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: away as you drove up to get me. Yeah, so 282 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: I took We We won't go into the full story, 283 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: but Josh killed the deal. The first day you ever 284 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: setting a tree too in bow hunt, and he drugs 285 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: he drags it early in the morning. It was like 286 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: we didn't have cell phones, so it's like he you know, 287 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna come pick him up at eleven and 288 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: so you know, he killed this deer at like am. 289 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: So he drags the deer out to the road and 290 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: uh and goes to sleep off the road kind of 291 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: off the road. Yeah, yeah, like for a pillow and 292 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: took a two and he wakes up and uh, they're 293 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: buzzards surrounding him. So these buzzards were like, we got 294 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: a pretty big old boy, and they were like, well, 295 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there, but something happened. And 296 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: so they landed and we're like about probably to pack 297 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: his eyeballs out when he woke up. And then you 298 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: had turkeys walked by you. It's pretty so yeah. And 299 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: then uh, and we've had it added off together. I mean, 300 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: you've coon hunted with me, You've you've done quite a 301 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: bit of stuff with me. Hunting was always enjoyable time. Yeah, 302 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: David killed a turkey with us, and we have turkey 303 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: youth turkey hunted, Yes, we have. Yeah. Awesome. So in Malachi, 304 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: you didn't know this, but uh, well, so Maliki, I'm 305 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna die listening here. And so Maliki is an Arkansas 306 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: licensed hunter. Oh, Yeah, it's real serious. Renewal in end 307 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: of June one year, coming up on my one year anniversary. 308 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: It's real serious. So this is your first Arkansas hunting 309 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: license that you've ever bought. Though it is true you 310 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: grew up in Texas. Grew up in Texas. Yeah, but 311 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: you did a little bit of hunting in Tea. But 312 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't call yourself a hunt definitely not. I 313 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: did a little arm and hunting back in elementary school 314 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: with like a little fourteen yeah, going out shooting varmints 315 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: with my friend and his dad in Midland, in Midland, 316 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: Texas yea. And then did a little quail and dove hunting. 317 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: Hometown of George hometime of George w Wah. I don't 318 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: think that hometown of George see his dad. Uh, George 319 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: h did his old business there and that's how he 320 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: got got his money. And then the sun was I 321 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: don't know if George w was born there, but I 322 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: knew he went to elementary school there, and so that's 323 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: how Midlands. When I left Midland, it was about two 324 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Now it's close to about three or four 325 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand from they had a big old boom old money. Yeah, 326 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: back when a couple of a couple of years ago, 327 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: maybe Midland was like the biggest producer at all. Did 328 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, said I heard George H. W. Bush say 329 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: one time that the difference between him and George W. 330 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: You're talking about the dad of the son. Okay, George 331 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: W is the son. George W. Said the difference between 332 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: him and his dad was Midland, Texas because George W. 333 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Was kind of like this, you know, kind of folksy 334 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: kind uh you know, like I don't know not yeah, yeah, 335 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: kind of texting in in. George H. Was like a 336 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: rich boy from the north, a little more polished. Yeah yeah, 337 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, middle of Texas is my hometown. So I 338 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: want to say to you though, that you you're qualified 339 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: to call yourself a hunter if you wanted to that, 340 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: because I've shot I mean just you went hunting, yeah, 341 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, and you find it with me? Yeah, we 342 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: have cool hunting. Yeah. Um. And now he bought his 343 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: license because we were going to try to go duck 344 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: hunting this year, but we it just didn't happen. But 345 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: but did y'all know that I tried to get Malichi 346 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: to go in with me and buy a boat hold on. 347 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: That's why that publicly ask him why he didn't want 348 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: to go in with me boat. Cut on, hold on, 349 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: hold on, let me listeners, listeners, listen, listen to me. 350 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: Clay and I were talking one day and we were 351 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: talking about we had fried some fish. Came over here 352 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: and had had a fish fry and he was like, man, 353 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: it's so nice to go out and catch fish, come 354 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: back home and cook it. And I was like, yeah, 355 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: let's do more fishing. Okay, So I'm thinking I'm gonna 356 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: go get a fishing pole and we're just gonna go 357 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: out to the creek to do a little fishing. The 358 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: next text message from Clay nucok, what do you think 359 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: about going in on the boat? And I'm thinking, like, 360 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: you just want to rent a boat or for the weekend, 361 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm talking about buying the boat's whole. 362 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: I just want some fishing poles. And I'm talking about 363 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: every once in a while, I don't want to buy 364 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: a boat, you know, like where do you have it? 365 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: You're texting somebody and they like respond back, go back 366 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then 367 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: you asked this question and there's like siloce and you're 368 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: like and for like the first five minutes, you're like, ah, 369 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: he must have just said his phone down. And then 370 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: after like thirty minutes, you're like, he probably went for 371 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: a run. And then after an hour you're like, he's 372 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: he's not happy with what I said. When? So when 373 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: when Malachi and I multiple times we've fried fish together, 374 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: and I can tell the man likes to fry fish. 375 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: We kind of enjoyed like cooking for our wives. And 376 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: so I'm like, all right, I got a friend. I 377 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: got a friend that wants to catch fish, and so 378 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: anyway I messaged him. I was like, hey, you want 379 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: to go out on He went from like zero to 380 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: like he doesn't do anything real quick. So anyway, okay, 381 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: at least I know why why you still farm me though, 382 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: But okay, that it offers still stands. Offers still stands. 383 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: We didn't need to go fishing. Um Okay, Benjamin lagron Man, Okay, now, 384 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Ben Ben has you have a long history of hunting, 385 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: but not real I mean, you're not super serious about it. 386 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: Would you describe how would you describe your heart? I 387 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: would say I was really serious growing up. I've just 388 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: since I've had three little kids, and the thought of 389 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: trying to add that to my schedules pretty daunting. Grew 390 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: up in like, yeah, deer camps and stuff with. Oh yeah, 391 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: So I grew up Central Arkansas mainly deer hunting. The 392 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: second highest thing I did was probably duck hunting, but 393 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, I did some squirrel, a little bit of 394 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: turkey quill and all that. But yeah, we I grew 395 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: up hunting in um deep South Arkansas and for most 396 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: of my childhood. Man, we had a pretty primitive camp. 397 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: It was rough in it, and that made me pretty 398 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: battle hardened, I think in a good way. Like I 399 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: knew what it I knew what it meant to sacrifice 400 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: for the kill. I mean, I knew hunting was work, 401 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, we scouted, we we we 402 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: tended to the land like we did um It was 403 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: hard work. And then I remember, probably like maybe when 404 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: I was a teenager, my dad and we kind of 405 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: got tired of the primitive camp and we joined this 406 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: membership of of it was a luxurious to enter, to 407 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: our standards, a luxurious deer camp. We're like this is awesome, 408 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Like we can actually go indoors, I mean, our old 409 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: camp it was like it was just like a lean 410 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: to you would eat and you know, around the fire 411 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and uh. And that was like the ritz Man And 412 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: it was actually a a cool deal because it was 413 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: a lease. But there was somebody that owns some land 414 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: and lived there all year long, like right next to 415 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: the lease. That was really great because we leave our 416 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: stuff and it was always safe and and they were 417 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: always kind of like keeping their eyes open on um, 418 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: how the deer moving and stuff. And but that was 419 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: most most of my most cherished childhood memories were deer 420 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: hunting with my dad. And then in high school my 421 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: best friend started telling me duck hunting and um and 422 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: I really love that. Built a lot of great memories 423 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: with him and his dad, who recently died of cancer 424 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: a few years ago. And uh, but so that's one 425 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: of my cherished memories with him was was duck hunting 426 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: and they duck hunting near Stuck Guard and it was 427 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: just it was just a lot of fun. Yeah, So 428 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: you do have a you do have a rich history 429 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: inside of hunting and it's it's uh, it's interesting. Y'all 430 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: may not know it as much, but like South Arkansas, 431 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: there's not as much public land so there's the hunting 432 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: lease culture is pretty strong, like you got it, and 433 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: it's affordable. It's not like I mean, there are certainly 434 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: big leases down in South Arkansas that are incredibly expensive, 435 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: like more expensive than you could imagine. Um, but I 436 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: mean like a lot of lease is that you know, 437 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: just a working man could afford to get into. Um 438 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: and uh So anyway, but like up here, you can't 439 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: hardly find it hunting least again Northwest Arkansas. If you 440 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: were to say, if you would ask me where hunting 441 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: Least you could join is, I wouldn't know where to 442 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: tell you to go. But it's probably because there's so 443 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: much there's quite a bit of public plan around here, 444 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: so people can go hunt public lan and do pretty 445 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: do okay. But now you know what I always say 446 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: is that so in what's happening right now with the 447 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: hunting world is that hunter recruitment is a massive, massive issue. 448 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: So technology, transportation, the opportunity inside of a prosperous nation, 449 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: opportunity just gives people so many options for what they 450 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: do with their spare time, and for of people, hunting 451 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: is an option for what to do when they have 452 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: spare time, and uh and prosperity creates options and uh, 453 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: and so what has happened? You know, the peak hunting 454 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: numbers in the United States were in the early nineteen eighties, 455 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: and I think we had like sixteen million hunters, but 456 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: the population was like two million people. So that was 457 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: like I can't remember the percentage, somebody could do the 458 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: math um, but essentially something like that. And so like, 459 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty fair number listeners, that's wrong, that's 460 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: half that, okay, somewhere around ten. So, so what has 461 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: happened now is that we have eleven million licensed hunters 462 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: in the US, but the US population is three d 463 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: and thirty million. So if you when you're talking about 464 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: a democratic society where people vote, like even though, I mean, 465 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: losing five million hunters massive, but what's equally as massive 466 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: is that the population we've not we've not had a 467 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: healthy growth with the population. And so I say to 468 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: like Malachi, Malachi, buying a hunting license is significant, and honestly, 469 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: in the state of Arkansas, he has done as much 470 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: for conservation as I have. I mean really, and so 471 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: like just buying a hunting license, I mean, like buy 472 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: your spouse a hunting license for no, no, reason other 473 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: than just as a as a gift, as a as 474 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: a a donation to conservation. Um. Because I never thought 475 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: about that before, Clay, because you know, I buy a 476 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: hunting license every year, but really, to to help make 477 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: a difference, you could buy family members. It's I mean, 478 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: if all the license hunters in Arkansas just said, you 479 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna buy somebody a hunting license, and 480 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you want those people to participate in hunting, 481 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: but even if they didn't, you're you've you've doubled the revenue. 482 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: And all that money is ear tag to go back 483 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: into the state organizations that are doing work for conservation 484 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: in every state. You know. The other the other way 485 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: that money comes in, And that's not what this podcast 486 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: is about. But but is uh, you know, buying hunting 487 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: equipment through the Pittman robertson money that like, is uh 488 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: the tax money that comes from firearms? Um, all you 489 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: guys are in the firearms big time, and uh man, 490 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: the ammunition that you're buying is specifically earmarked for conservation. Yeah, 491 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Pittman Robertson exercise tax. Oh, firearms users and hunters are 492 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: the ones who are funding conservation in this country, America. Yeah, 493 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: you're welcome, America. And that's the that's the problem. So 494 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: it's not just that, you know, like I'm a hunter 495 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: and I want my culture to persist through time like that, 496 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: that's part of it, Like this kind of emotional you know, 497 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: cultural connection to hunting that like I want my great 498 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: grandkids should the earth persist, uh live through then see. No, 499 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: there's real tangible value to hunters being on the landscape 500 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: because they fund conservation. So less hunters means less wild places, 501 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: means less wildlife. And that's that's kind of a hard 502 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: pill for some people to understand. But that's not why 503 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: we're here, old boys. Um, what I want to talk 504 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: about is man unprecedented times we live in? Is it 505 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: not absolutely unprecedented times? And the you know, and we're 506 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about the coronavirus, we're talking about just a 507 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: political instability. We're talking about I mean, the chaos of 508 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: riots and ludy and we're not gonna get into the 509 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: details of that. But to me, what I want to do, 510 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: and I think the base level instinct of pretty much 511 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: any family, any person, any any head of home, you know, husband, wife, 512 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna want to do is stabilize their families inside 513 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: of times of instability. I mean that whether you are 514 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't care where you're from. That is the innate 515 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: desire of parents of families, whether you're religious, whether you're 516 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: not religious, whether you live in China, whether you live 517 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, whether you live in the United States, 518 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: whether you live in the urban center of New York City, 519 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: whether you live in Newton County, Arkansas. You have this 520 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: innate desire to stabilize your family and times of crisis, 521 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: times of instability shaking shake that and people could be like, 522 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm not shaken by this, you are a little bit. 523 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean like I mean, as my life really been affected. 524 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean like we've eaten just as much food, probably 525 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: more we've I mean like we've not like sent down 526 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: the financial belt I figured we've probably I mean like 527 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: life has been pretty normal for us. So that's not 528 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I'm not saying you're starved out 529 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: of food or but life is different. Life is different 530 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: than it was. And uh, and we have to walk 531 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: our families. I feel like as as leaders of homes. 532 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: And when I say that, you can hear me say 533 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: that A lot. I mean, I'm talking about husbands and wives, parents, Uh, 534 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: navigating family through all this stuff is significant. But so 535 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: the foundation to that though, the the ability to ride 536 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: a mule through a rough spot in the mountain doesn't 537 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: come when you get to the rough spot in the mountain. 538 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: It started in the round pen when you were training 539 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: it um a long long time ago. The foundations of 540 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: that animals connection to the writer is the writer's connection. 541 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: And know what that animals? You know, you see what 542 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like crisis tests us. All this 543 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: test us. So what we're talking about the building family culture, 544 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: building family culture, and all you guys, I respect every 545 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: all of you for the way that you have built 546 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: your families. And I think nobody's doing everything right. I 547 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: mean that that the word right is a tough one, 548 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: but we're doing it intentionally. And I know all you 549 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: guys well enough to know that you're very intentionally building 550 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: family culture. And if if you don't hear anything else 551 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: on this podcast, and you know you're just listening to 552 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: this and like you just want to chew on something, 553 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: my question to you is are you being intentional with 554 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: the way that you're building your family? And that word 555 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: building could throw you off and let me let me 556 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: let me say this right here? Is that? Or I've 557 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: got a couple of written statements here. Um, let's see. 558 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Let's see. We we research and consult almost everything that 559 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: we want to be proficient at. Do we not, Like, 560 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go on a big hunting trip, you're 561 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: gonna learn about it. If you want to get into cycling, 562 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: like you go to cycling experts and see what they say. Um. 563 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: But with family stuff, a lot of times people are 564 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: really isolated. Um. Why why do you think that is? 565 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: I think it can be perceived as weakness to have 566 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: to rely on some on advice or counsel from someone 567 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: else to build your own family. You know, when you 568 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: when you see you know someone who's proficient at hunting, 569 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: and and you see, you know, I like to fly fish, 570 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: and so you know, I watch other guys, it's like, well, 571 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: they've had a long history of this and I want 572 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: to glean from them. But when it comes to your 573 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: own family, it says it's a really a sensitive spot 574 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: because you don't want to be seen as weak or 575 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: there's there's the other side of you. You get isolated 576 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: because you don't want to build like mom and dad, 577 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: or you don't want to follow their pattern and so 578 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it on my own. I'm gonna 579 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: find my own way. And so it's it's almost a 580 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: comparison of I don't want to do that, so I'm 581 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: gonna do it my own way, and that can that 582 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: can make you isolated. Yeah, I think, and I think 583 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: we as people a lot of times are insecure and 584 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: and to open ourselves up for somebody else's input, that's 585 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: pretty vulnerable. And it you it takes time of doing 586 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: that a lot that you'll learn the value of it. 587 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: And you're like, man, the more I open up my 588 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: life to input, the better my life gets. The more 589 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: I learned, the more the better my marriage gets. And 590 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: so I remember even early on um in my marriage, 591 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: and then the same with early I want to first 592 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: had kids, like maybe like the first time I kind 593 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: of like went to some went to maybe one of 594 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: you guys or you know, people older than me, the 595 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: been married longer, head kids longer. I remember, it was 596 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: almost like you know, what are they gonna say? And 597 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: like what if I'm doing everything wrong? And what if 598 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm invalidated? Yeah, exactly. And then every time that I 599 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: did go to people wiser than me, always got two things. 600 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: I always got. Number one, they related to me. I've 601 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: never had an issue in my family or marriage. Somebody 602 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: was like, you struggle with that? Oh my gosh, like 603 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: you're you're a terrible person, Like you have a marital 604 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: struggle are So it's like everything it's almost like my 605 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: friends would like fill in the sense, oh yeah, and 606 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: I bet you said this after you do that. Yeah, 607 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: and then I bet you felt like this and yeah, 608 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: and uh so that was one and that right there 609 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: is comforting and it shows you that it's safe. And 610 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: then the second looking at somebody that you you perceive 611 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: has made it through that and you're like, well they're 612 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: okay and they had this problem. And then the second 613 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: thing is I've always had and I've always from that 614 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: received an alternative perspective that I didn't have before. And 615 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: it's like every single time I learned that I can't 616 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: do this on my own, you know, and I know 617 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: we're I'm jumping right into all this, but like that's 618 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: one thing I'll learned with building my family is like, 619 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: there ain't no way I can do this on my own. 620 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: As exactly exactly. So I think it's it's like this 621 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: double edged toward It's like we're kind of insecure, but 622 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: we kind of I want to do it on our own. 623 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: But at the same time that's really hard. So we 624 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: ended up just kind of feel we I think people 625 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: either just feel like failure or they just kind of 626 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: build up. They kind of just say, well, this is 627 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: how I am, and this is the way my family 628 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: is gonna be forever, not really getting to experience what 629 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: could be better. I think it's a pretty American cultural 630 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: thing to be really independent with your family. Mean, just 631 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, cultures, cultures are built based upon national history. 632 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and like you think about the people that 633 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: like settled in this region or heck, every region of 634 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: this country unless they're unless they're Native Americans. They came 635 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: here and there was like this pioneer spirit that was 636 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: on people to like bust through the wilderness and make 637 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: it on their own. People had to be self sufficient, 638 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: and like here in the Ozarks, that is a trait 639 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: that is honored self sufficiency. I mean, like at the 640 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: Newcomb Farm, we hat tipped to the idea of self 641 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: sufficiency big time. That's okay, but that cannot be the 642 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: definer of every part of your life, or you're a fool, 643 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: you know. So like, yeah, we we like to hunt 644 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: some some of our own food, butching our own animals, 645 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: grow some stuff, training or you know. But when it 646 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: comes to the things that I am not an expert 647 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 1: on that I'm incapable, Well, anybody could can have insight 648 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: into their family and make decisions on their own. We're 649 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: not We're not suggesting that somebody is incapable of making 650 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: decisions on their own. But what I'm saying is best 651 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: practice inside of life is for people to be connected 652 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: inside of some network of people that they trust, you know, 653 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: that they're getting input. And so, I mean that was 654 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: just my point is that like all this other stuff, 655 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: we're happy to go to YouTube and ask people and 656 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: da da da da da, But when it comes to family, 657 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: don't talk to me about my family. That's just it's 658 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: just it just said, it doesn't even make sense. And 659 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: and so um family culture I would describe it as 660 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: the values, the philosophy, and the structure to the way 661 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: that your family lives its life and uh and and 662 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: that culture holds the keys to how your family air 663 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: quotes will turn out. I mean, like man, we live 664 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: inside of a dynamic space as humans that live in 665 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: the earth. Like man, we are but a flake of 666 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: dirt that has had life breathed into us. I mean 667 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: like it is a facade. I mean the human experience 668 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: is such a facade. I mean like it's so easy 669 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: for us to look at our grandparents who are deceased, 670 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, there was a time when they 671 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: were twenty nine, and they were forty, and they were 672 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: at the peak of their life, and and now they're gone. 673 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: It's like we will be like that. We have this 674 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: short period of time in the earth, and we're constantly 675 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: projecting forward. We're projecting forward like how our children, you 676 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: know what will our children? Are we equipping our children 677 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,919 Speaker 1: so they can go out and be successful in the 678 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: future environment that we don't even know what it is us. 679 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm projecting into my marriage every single day. I'm doing 680 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: things consciously or unconsciously or consciously that is sowing seed 681 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: into my relationship with my wife five years from now. 682 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: I say that to to young married guys, is don't 683 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: expect things to get on a five year plan inside 684 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: your marriage. Start doing stuff today that in five years 685 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: your wife is gonna trust you more and and you know, 686 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: like because it takes a while to change stuff sometimes. Um, 687 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: but so you know the very nature of of raising 688 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: children means that we're investing in them with the hope 689 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: of a return on that investment. Uh, not not for 690 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: us to gain back, but just like I want my 691 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: kids to I don't want my kids to not be 692 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: able to be you know, whole humans. You know, and 693 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: and here's here's the crux is that no human is 694 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: void of values, philosophy and culture. Like, so everyone has 695 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 1: values and everyone displays those values, and every human life 696 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: creates a vacuum that's filled with a value system. So 697 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: you could be like, I don't have a value system. 698 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to have a value system. Well you 699 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: just told me your value system. I mean, really, there's 700 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: a human life creates a space that has it has 701 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: no option but to be filled with values, culture, and 702 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: philosophy for life. Like there's so if if if you 703 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: and I mean that gets right down into you know, 704 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: what would be what would be an example of well, 705 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: I've got here. You know, the question is how intentional 706 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: is it? Lots of people, you know, people that have 707 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: built their life very unintentionally, you know. And you also 708 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: know people that have built their life very intentionally. Right, 709 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious it is. And it's not just by chance. 710 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: It's not just by luck. It's it's it's from intentional. 711 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: And so when we use the word building like I used, 712 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: we we use that word a lot building. It's like 713 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm building family, culture and and and that. And for 714 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: me it's like, uh, and I know for you guys, well, 715 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't mean that like we have like 716 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: newcom family school everything. We're just living our life. Yeah, 717 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,479 Speaker 1: That's that's when I was thinking about this the other day. 718 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: One of my first memories of Clay was not with Clay. 719 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: It was with his kids, because I used to teach 720 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: at um That, the school that his kids went to, 721 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: and I can remember his kids like bringing in like 722 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: bear fat to tell what the weather is going to be, 723 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: or bringing in like skins of coon and raccoons and 724 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, foxes and stuff like that. And I remember 725 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: that standing out because all the kids did it, and 726 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: what it was showing me it was like, hey, they 727 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: liked to hunt and and they value kind of giving 728 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: back to conservation or and it just really stood out 729 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: to me because I got a flavor of who Clay 730 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: was through its kids, and I knew it's like that's 731 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: something he was intentionally building inside of his home. Yeah. Yeah, 732 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: What would be an example of values? Because sometimes those 733 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: words like values, philosophy and culture, like what what would 734 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: be an example of like family values? I think openness. 735 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: I would say for me, one would be openness. You know, 736 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: I've only been married for three and a half years, 737 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: and in our first year, one of the things that 738 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: we always did we called it um Nichols family hours, 739 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: Like every every week, once a week, we sat down 740 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: and we just talked about the hard stuff, what was 741 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: hard inside the home, what what was frustrating, you know 742 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: what things, And that really did build a pattern inside 743 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: of our marriage where we're if we're frustrated, we talked 744 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: about it, right, if we if we had a hard day, 745 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: we talked about it. It's something that our spouse was 746 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: doing that was irritating us, we talked about it. And 747 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: so we value communication and openness. And I knew if 748 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: I didn't do that at the beginning, it wouldn't be 749 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: built right because I'm just not naturally open. I just 750 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: don't naturally that's something you had to work. That's something 751 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,760 Speaker 1: I had to work and develop that muscle inside of you. Yeah. Yeah, 752 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: that's good. And so the opposite of that would be 753 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: if you didn't communicate, you would actually be building the 754 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: value of non communication. Right. So it's like it's not 755 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: this isn't like yeah, I think I'll have some values. 756 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you've got value exactly. You've got philosophy, 757 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: you've got culture, just you doing it on purpose and 758 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: the expression of that to your children, whether you say 759 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: it or not. Um, you know, you can you can 760 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: tell a family that's not open and communicative because the 761 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: children have the attitude of well, we can't talk about that, 762 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can see it on 763 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: a kid when they have frustrations when they we don't 764 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 1: we just bottle that up and move on. Yeah. Yeah, 765 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: that whole thing about openness. The opposite, I think is 766 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: like privacy and that that's a value in our culture 767 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: as well in America. The independence, the privacy you're your 768 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: own person. And yeah, when you let if you let 769 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: your kid retreat and not talk about something, or in 770 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: your marriage, if you just decide there's just places we 771 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: don't go in our conversation, then you are establishing a 772 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: value system, like you're saying, and that I think what 773 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: you're saying earlier about projecting is so important because that 774 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: can sound good in the short term of like, Hi, 775 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: privacy is respectable and and I'm and sometimes you gotta 776 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: give people space. And we know as married people you 777 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: gotta give each other space sometimes. But if you project 778 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: to the future, you've got to be aware of what 779 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna build over time. And I think this whole 780 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: thing about you value something, whether it's this or that, 781 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: there's no such things as no value system. I think 782 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: if you become just aware of that reality, you're ahead 783 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: of the game on n of humans on the earth 784 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: because most people kind of go through autopilot, just kind 785 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: of cruising along doing whatever they think or feel. And 786 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: that awareness is just super key and it's super practical. 787 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: It's not always like deep stuff like most people want 788 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: to talk about values. I think of like integrity, honesty, 789 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: and that's true, those are important, but it's the simple 790 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: stuff too, Like like in my family, we value routine, 791 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: Like we have a pretty solid routine and that's just 792 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of how we roll. But at the same time, 793 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: we my wife and I've talked about it, like sometimes 794 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: we need to be more flexible because so like the 795 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: opposite of routine would be flexibility. And we've looked at 796 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: our life and sometimes how we get stressed out, and 797 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: we'll be like, we need to be more flexible. We're 798 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: teaching our kids not to be flexible, We're teaching them 799 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,800 Speaker 1: to be control rolling and you know, routine based because 800 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: me and my wife were like big planners. We like 801 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: everything planned out, so we'll purpose sometimes, Jessica and I 802 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: will purposely do something to like jack up our routine 803 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: so that our kids. Yeah exactly, so our kids know 804 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: that mom and dad are you know, are free sometimes 805 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 1: and it see my response, yeah exactly. So it's not 806 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: always again this deep stuff like integrity and compassion, which 807 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: those are great, but it's sometimes just like how do 808 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: you perceive your own day to day life? That's your 809 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: value system? Yeah, that's good. Um. I use this word 810 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: philosophy like you know, family, like every family would have 811 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: a philosophy. I'm trying to define what that would be. 812 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: I thought of an example, like, you know, we have 813 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: a philosophy that uh, short term gain for long term 814 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: excuse me, short term sacrifice for long term gain. I 815 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a that's a philosophy that it's like, yeah, 816 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: you can you gotta clean your room, you gotta do this, 817 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: and then you can go do this. Or you know, 818 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: whether it's my son who loves playing basketball, it's like 819 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: he uh like he he's building. He really takes it seriously, 820 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: very disciplined and we we like that. Um So, you know, 821 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to define what these things would be, so values, philosophy, 822 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: and then culture. Um So here's the question, why would 823 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: somebody even care? I mean maybe you know, a lot 824 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 1: of these things people do by default and don't even 825 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: realize it. And maybe you're doing good stuff, you know, 826 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: so that's very possible. Like there's some people that just 827 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of have you know, are doing stuff, maybe not intentionally, 828 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: but still they have some good stuff happening. But I 829 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, a well ordered life and family gives a 830 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: person options, you know, like to me like and not 831 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: to take this back to hunting, like, hunting is like 832 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal for every person that's listening inside of this. 833 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: Hunting is just a facet of my life. But this 834 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 1: is a hunting podcast where we're giving people, you know, 835 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about it. But like, if you're your family 836 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: and your relationships in your life are the foundational platform 837 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: that everything in your life stems from, that's just the truth. Um. 838 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: And so if your family and your relationships is chaos 839 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: or unordered or you know, there's some something crazy going on, 840 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: that's not the best way to describe it. You are 841 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to have the liberty two do 842 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: what you want to do. I mean, the way I've 843 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 1: said it is is when you have your value system 844 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: in order, then all the things beneath that are you're 845 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: able to really give yourself to Like I've really been 846 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: able to give myself to hunting for the last of 847 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: most of my life, but really the last fifteen years. 848 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: And there's a direct connection between that and having a 849 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: family that was in order, because you know, if it 850 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: was causing so much friction in my marriage, like I 851 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to do what I do, you know, yeah, 852 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: and uh and so and and just like in even 853 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: in your job. I mean it's like if you got 854 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not building family culture, you're you know, 855 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a hard time being successful really at 856 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: anything that you do. You know, and I think there's 857 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: part of this conversation is just hopefully gonna help people 858 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: just just hear a different conversation about it. Because there's 859 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: little things that can be done where wherever anyone is at, 860 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: little things that can be done. Um and uh and 861 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: that's powerful stuff. UM. You know, I kind of broke 862 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: this down thinking about like internal family culture and then 863 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: external family culture and the to being like kind of 864 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: like internal value systems. But then there's external family culture 865 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: like hunting, like like you described my kids like ten 866 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: years ago, bringing bringing stuff to school like that would 867 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,840 Speaker 1: be to me like external family culture, like we value hunting, 868 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: we value this. Um. But the the the internal stuff 869 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,319 Speaker 1: starts at the top and um, family culture is primarily 870 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: built behind closed doors and decisions that nobody sees. I 871 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: love that about life is that there's some things that 872 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: you cannot you can't fake, you know, I mean, and 873 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 1: that's the that's the crazy part of the world we 874 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,320 Speaker 1: live in. It's like with social media and stuff, people 875 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: can people can put off a perception of themselves, but 876 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't fake out reality, you know. And um, 877 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: and so the statement that I have here is that 878 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: you know the power to proclaim a standard only holds 879 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: the power when the proclaimer lives out those standards. And 880 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: so you know that falls back onto to me and 881 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: to us. Is that like inside of our families, like 882 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: if we we can't ask our kids to do something 883 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: that we're not willing to do, the old classic line 884 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: of do as I say, not as I do, does 885 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: not work. It just doesn't work. Yeah, it does. It 886 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,839 Speaker 1: doesn't work. So you can't you can't build something that's 887 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: not inside of you already, you know. And so that's 888 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: that's where the personal responsibility of all this is cool, 889 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: because you know, we can clean up our own selves, 890 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 1: you know. It really, it really is the entry point, Clay. 891 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the the entry point for a value 892 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,240 Speaker 1: system is through whoever leads it. And so your value 893 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: system is not going to be built by your children. 894 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: It's not going to be built accurately through your wife. 895 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna be built through you as the head of 896 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,919 Speaker 1: your home, you know. And that's and that's the way 897 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: we've we've we've done it in our houses. You know, 898 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: I've got to have enough sight to say this is 899 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: what my family needs, and this is what my wife needs. 900 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: And then you know, my wife, Christy and I we 901 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: we work really closely together to partner and produce, to 902 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: produce things in our children's lives. And that doesn't happen 903 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: without us identifying it. You know, what do we want 904 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,280 Speaker 1: to build in our home? Because if we can't write 905 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: it down, it's not going to be built right. If 906 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: we can't articulate, it's not going to be built right. 907 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,799 Speaker 1: So as we talk and as we think of of 908 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,520 Speaker 1: systematic ways to implement those things in our family and 909 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: in our kids, and for us to say what's important, 910 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,360 Speaker 1: what do we want for our children? Where were the 911 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: shortcomings in our own lives where we want to invest 912 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: in our kids to give them something better? And I 913 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: think probably if you've listened to this podcast this far 914 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: in you have that same desires to give your your 915 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: children something. Do you want to say to all the 916 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:23,360 Speaker 1: guys that aren't listening anymore, but you you probably have 917 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,399 Speaker 1: a desire to give your children something even better than 918 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: you had. And so, you know, I think that that 919 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 1: identification of those things and then implementing in your own 920 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: life to give your children something to model. Kids need something. 921 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: Kids are imitators. You know, what they see is what 922 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: they do so right now. What they're seeing is they're 923 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,279 Speaker 1: seeing things on Facebook, they're seeing things on TV. They're 924 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 1: seeing things and athletes, they're seeing things in all these 925 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 1: different areas that will define them if you don't take 926 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 1: your rightful place as their their parents. So unfortunately, UM 927 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: in our society these days, we have a lot of 928 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,240 Speaker 1: parents that have forgotten what it means to be a parent, 929 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 1: and they're letting other people and other things and other 930 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: influences be parents for their children. So and and to 931 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: and aside to that is also that you don't wait 932 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: till you have kids to start building exactly you you 933 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: even if you're a single guy. It's like you start 934 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: now of building your values. Even my wife and I 935 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: we don't have kids, but we started when we said, 936 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: I do building values that we want to be transferred 937 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: into our children. And it starts now. It's it doesn't 938 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt if you never thought about it and 939 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 1: you have kids, start today. But you have to have 940 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: I like what Josh said, it's us, it's my wife 941 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: and I. You sit down and and that's one thing 942 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 1: that we've tried to build inside of our home is 943 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 1: the aspect of team. Right. We're not competing against each other. 944 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm not counting how many times you're washing the dishes. 945 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: It's like we're a team. We're building one thing, and 946 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: that's the Nichols culture. That's the Nichols family. That's the 947 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: the things we are we have articulated and the things 948 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: we want to see built in our children. Let's build 949 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: it now that when when we have children, there's already 950 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: a pathway for them to to step into and they 951 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: can learn the ways and and see the ways. I 952 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 1: think it's important. It's not just here our values are here, 953 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,040 Speaker 1: the culture, but it's seeing it, seeing it being displayed. 954 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,919 Speaker 1: I think that's a that's an important thing because it's 955 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: the foundation marriage. A family is just a set of relationships, right, 956 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: and the first relationship is that marriage. I like, Josh, 957 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: when you talked about, you know, giving them this gift, 958 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: like which is you're talking about like modeling these values. 959 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: One of the greatest gifts you can give your kids 960 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: is an example of a healthy, functional, good marriage, because 961 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: they ain't gonna find many examples in the media today. 962 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: And that's one of the greatest sources of joy in life. 963 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: It's the greatest source of hard work and uh. But 964 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 1: it's a great source of joy. And I want my 965 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: kids to when they become adults, to know what that 966 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 1: looks like and be excited for that. And so you know, 967 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: you said the beginning of Malichos setting the foundation because 968 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have kids yet. It's like, that's exactly right. 969 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: Like I remember in our marriage, first couple of years 970 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: were rough. Man, it was intense, and we work some 971 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,640 Speaker 1: things out, for sure, and the Little Ground's House you 972 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 1: can hear from it was like the cartoon. And but 973 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: we came through that, uh, different people and so much 974 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: more patient, so much more tolerant, um, so much more 975 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 1: in love because we chose to to deal with those 976 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,680 Speaker 1: things head on. And it's never too late for that. 977 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's like we still have issues 978 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: come up, just like any marriage, but we built a culture. 979 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Is my culture, the culture and my home is like 980 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: we deal with it. You know, it might not happen overnight, 981 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: but we deal with it. We might have to bring 982 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: in some help or talk to some people or but 983 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna deal with it and um and therefore, like 984 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: my kids don't have to live with that. You know 985 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: what some kids might deal with, which is the awkwardness 986 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: of of that tension in that relationship, because that's a 987 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: that's a weird thing to cohabitate with. Uh, you know 988 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: two people that that's struggling. That So that's I think 989 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,080 Speaker 1: that's a big time gift we can give our children 990 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,479 Speaker 1: as example a good marriage. Yeah, that's great, that's good. 991 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Um m hmm, so much, so much good stuff here. Um, 992 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I want to give it. I guess 993 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: people sometimes I hear stuff and I want people to 994 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 1: be more specific. I'm not talking about you guys, but like, 995 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: uh like like really map out you know exactly what 996 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Uh, you know, what is family culture? Um? 997 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: But I think I think we'll get We've been some 998 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,200 Speaker 1: good examples in here of of what it is. But ultimately, 999 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, strong leadership inside of family's rooted inside of 1000 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: rooted inside of a balanced person that really loves the 1001 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: people that they're close to, you know, like I just 1002 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,160 Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice for them. Yeah. I feel like the 1003 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, my kids are getting older, my older statters 1004 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,360 Speaker 1: eighteen and uh, and I couldn't be more proud of 1005 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,680 Speaker 1: the human that she is. And uh, man, if there's 1006 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 1: one thing that I could say, is that relationship with 1007 01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,120 Speaker 1: your kids, authentic relationship with them is so powerful and 1008 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,120 Speaker 1: that's what has that's what has made you know my 1009 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: kids and not they're they're not perfect. We're working with 1010 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: all of them on different stuff all the time. So 1011 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,280 Speaker 1: don't don't hear me say that they're perfect. But just 1012 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: that relationship, and that relationship means we can talk about anything. 1013 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 1: We do talk about anything. There's nothing that's off the table. 1014 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: And that didn't start when they were fourteen, that started 1015 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: when they were three. You know that they had a 1016 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: healthy view of who we were, They had a healthy 1017 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: view of our love for them. Um, and we made 1018 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,440 Speaker 1: plenty of mistakes, man, that's the beautiful thing about it. 1019 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: You can make a lot of mistakes, uh in in 1020 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,439 Speaker 1: and your kids and your family still work out right 1021 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,880 Speaker 1: if things are built in such a because relationship is 1022 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: very robust. Real human relationship is robust, like man, even 1023 01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:03,080 Speaker 1: anthropologically like from a like yeah, you know, human culture 1024 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: started as these like bands of nomadic people, the bands 1025 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,920 Speaker 1: of nomadic people that were successful. And if we take 1026 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 1: it right back down to biology, um, biological biological success 1027 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: means that you produce a viable offspring. Okay, you produced 1028 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: children that are able then to reproduce. If we're just 1029 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:30,200 Speaker 1: talking like biological success, well, the people that knew how 1030 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: to leverage community relationships were the ones that were biologically successful. 1031 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: Stragglers were picked off by wolves. I mean literally, um 1032 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 1: there was there. There's all this study about like, uh, 1033 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: the traits that have made people like biologically successful. But 1034 01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I just say all that to say, um, well, I've 1035 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,080 Speaker 1: lost my training thought, doc got it. I was getting 1036 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:08,280 Speaker 1: into the anthropology of drifting back to the straight up 1037 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I was. I was in the burying straight imagining the 1038 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: people crossing over. But no, no, no, just it's it's 1039 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 1: deep inside of us to want to connect to community, 1040 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's deep inside, like to leverage the strength 1041 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 1: of human relationships is powerful. And I always say this, man, 1042 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the very foundation of hunting is provision for the people 1043 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 1: that that person values. Like that's why I think hunting. 1044 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: It's so bizarre that in this day and age that 1045 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: there are people that that say hunting is not something 1046 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: that should exist or they don't understand it. Like hunting 1047 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: is essentially a key definer, a diagnostic definer of what 1048 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: it means to be human projectile points making tools and 1049 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: weapons to kill animals, to pro cure protein, to bring 1050 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: it back to your family. Is a diagnostic thing that says, 1051 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: oh that's a human and not a draft. Really diagnostic, 1052 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: The word diagnostic would mean like nothing else does that, Like, 1053 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: if it has that trait, then it is this. Nothing 1054 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: else is making stone points, nothing else is making slick 1055 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 1: trick broadheads, nothing else is uh is makinginmag shells. Diet 1056 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:34,760 Speaker 1: is diagnostic. And I like to bring the hunting, the 1057 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: hunting thing back to kind of this original narrative because 1058 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,439 Speaker 1: it is it is true, like my family eats wild game. 1059 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,640 Speaker 1: I go out harvest wild game, bring back to my family, 1060 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: provide for them healthy meat, and and in a way, 1061 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 1: it's a it's a metaphor for leadership, for provision, It's 1062 01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 1: a metaphor for um the way that I want my 1063 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,040 Speaker 1: life to be for them. I want my kids, my 1064 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,919 Speaker 1: wife to be able to say I received resource from 1065 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,440 Speaker 1: this guy because he's he's my protector, he's my shade, 1066 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: he's my health. And I mean I do the same 1067 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: thing with my I mean my wife is that to 1068 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: me in a lot of ways, Clay, I was just 1069 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,880 Speaker 1: gonna say one of the things, you know, just in 1070 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: communication with with the listeners out there, just the difference 1071 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: between values and definers. You know, you can talk about 1072 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: definers like being a hunter and uh, you know whatever, 1073 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 1: whatever you might be versus values are things that are 1074 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:45,360 Speaker 1: that are who a person is internally. You know, integrity, honesty, 1075 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,000 Speaker 1: hard working, you know, caring, you know those those are 1076 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: the difference. You can't build you can't build a value 1077 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,320 Speaker 1: system on what you do. It's who you are. All right. 1078 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I've been thinking just while we 1079 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,640 Speaker 1: were talking about links between all this and hunting, and 1080 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,560 Speaker 1: I realized that one of the biggest like family cultured 1081 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: moments that really shaped us had to do with hunting. 1082 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: And this was a few years ago. I used to 1083 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 1: own a couple of acres and it backed up to 1084 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: twenty acres of woods and um, and I figured out 1085 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 1: I was just kind of tramping around there and found 1086 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: some signs and deer sign. I was like, this is cool, 1087 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,280 Speaker 1: there's deer back in here. Figured out who owned the 1088 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,680 Speaker 1: land and she was like this developer lived in Florida 1089 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,880 Speaker 1: and just didn't care. She's like, yeah, sure, you can 1090 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,520 Speaker 1: hunt on it whatever you want. And um. And this 1091 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: was a few years ago. I think only had two 1092 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: kids and they were really young, and I I hadn't 1093 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 1: hunted in a while because I moved up here into 1094 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,720 Speaker 1: honeywhere to go. So I was like, this could be 1095 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the resurrection of my hunting career. Like yeah, yeah, it's 1096 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 1: like twenty acres behind my house. Nobody is really hunting it. 1097 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll put up so I put 1098 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,840 Speaker 1: a game camera up. Lo and behold there were two 1099 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: bucks regularly through there. One of them was very like, 1100 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,560 Speaker 1: both of them were shooters. One of them was very large. 1101 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow, got a got an automatic 1102 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,280 Speaker 1: feeder up there. Started getting started tracking it more regularly 1103 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,120 Speaker 1: because I did have a limited time just working and 1104 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,000 Speaker 1: taking care of kids. And I started investing more and 1105 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 1: more time out there. And when I say it's close, 1106 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean this where I was going to put up 1107 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the stand. I mean it's probably just like yards from 1108 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 1: my house. We're less and um. So I was getting 1109 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 1: all ready to go, and then hunting season was about 1110 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 1: to start and I was talking to my wife about it. 1111 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,120 Speaker 1: She's really uneasy about it. I was kind of like, yeah, 1112 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,200 Speaker 1: I guess I'll like watch the kids during those mornings 1113 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: and and evening and all the time because probably eaten 1114 01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 1: much wild game either. No, she isn't a huge fan 1115 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: of it, but she knew it was important to me, 1116 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, and so like she she let she let 1117 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,840 Speaker 1: me go in a sense. But I remember, Um, I 1118 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,599 Speaker 1: just remember when it was finally time to like sit 1119 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,760 Speaker 1: on the stand and go out there and hunt. It 1120 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: just felt off. Man, it just felt it felt off. 1121 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,160 Speaker 1: It felt like like, man, this I know, this seems 1122 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: it seemed like destiny, you know, the land, the buck, 1123 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,720 Speaker 1: it was like perfect. Everything was perfect, and for a 1124 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,439 Speaker 1: plenty of guys and families that might have been perfect, 1125 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, but something felt off. And I remember going 1126 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I remember coming back and just telling her I was 1127 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: and she aren't you gonna hunt? It's like I was like, 1128 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't it just fills off. I 1129 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 1: don't know if this is the season for me, And 1130 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: I think right now where the kids are little, like, 1131 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I think I'll stay here. And it was like the 1132 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,759 Speaker 1: massive weight off of her lifted. She's like, oh my gosh, 1133 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,599 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you did that. Um, and it 1134 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,679 Speaker 1: it meant so much to her, and it wasn't even 1135 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 1: like I was doing it just for her. It was 1136 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,800 Speaker 1: like it just fell off. I can't describe. And that sacrifice, 1137 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,519 Speaker 1: which was a sacrifice at first, it hurt. It was 1138 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,800 Speaker 1: like yally because you know it was I was so 1139 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,840 Speaker 1: close it. What was the sacrifice turned into being a 1140 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: reward because I've built so many great memories with my 1141 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: kids and there was never this from what was right 1142 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,280 Speaker 1: for me was not trying to like to time it 1143 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna try to like fit in the time 1144 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,120 Speaker 1: of the girls and get to my hunting in It's 1145 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,320 Speaker 1: just like it's not the season for it. And and 1146 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 1: I know someday it will be. And I know someday 1147 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,360 Speaker 1: that will be right. And my my oldest daughter, I've 1148 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,519 Speaker 1: already got her interested in hunting. She's like she's about 1149 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,599 Speaker 1: ready to go. She's already into fishing and stuff. I'm 1150 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,639 Speaker 1: really excited. Um, and that'll be a whole different dynamic 1151 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: because it's it's building. Well that's the short term sacrifice 1152 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: term gain. You know, there will be a time when 1153 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 1: it's right. And I'm really glad you brought that up 1154 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,599 Speaker 1: because people need to understand timing, you know, like like 1155 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,160 Speaker 1: people like especially people that are inside of like social 1156 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,000 Speaker 1: media Instagram. I mean, you're gonna see you're gonna see 1157 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,559 Speaker 1: all these people posting all the stuff that they're doing, 1158 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and you're just say, oh, it's the time, you know, 1159 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,519 Speaker 1: I gotta get out there. I gotta get out there. 1160 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,559 Speaker 1: I gotta get out there. Man. There. I didn't hunt 1161 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,240 Speaker 1: like I hunt now when I was at ben stage, 1162 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I didn't. And that's the that's the difficulty of social 1163 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 1: media or comparison, uh, you know of like and and 1164 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,880 Speaker 1: and that's where families can get messed up. And that's 1165 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: where you know, I don't ever want like my my 1166 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 1: influence to get people to do something, which I'm constantly 1167 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,839 Speaker 1: trying to get people to hunt like that's what I do. 1168 01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,000 Speaker 1: But I don't people have to take it and then 1169 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 1: put it back up against their life and say does 1170 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,400 Speaker 1: this fit? And everybody has a different amount that it fits. 1171 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,840 Speaker 1: And so when Maliki Nichols felt the Clay Luken push 1172 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:18,599 Speaker 1: against his family getting a boat, and it's true, it's true, 1173 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,599 Speaker 1: and I think and I think that kind of brings 1174 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,640 Speaker 1: up if you're looking for a tool of how you 1175 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: can build culture inside of your family. It's what being 1176 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,920 Speaker 1: said of like he talked to his wife and wait 1177 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,840 Speaker 1: was released and the side of my my life is 1178 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,640 Speaker 1: like a tool to know is this the way to go? 1179 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Is communicating with my wife, I's like, are we in 1180 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the grad Like are we in agreeans in building this? 1181 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,000 Speaker 1: And and this is direction. So I think that's a 1182 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: to combat the media and the thing that is trying 1183 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 1: to push you and pull you to go to a 1184 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: certain direction. It's is your team, is your your home unit? 1185 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,559 Speaker 1: In ingredients? Is this is the way we should go? 1186 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's a powerful tool to to to navigate. Absolutely, 1187 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,760 Speaker 1: you use and that's a good I'm glad you said 1188 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,040 Speaker 1: that word. You use different things to build family called 1189 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,400 Speaker 1: you use like we could use. I use hunting as 1190 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,680 Speaker 1: a tool to build values inside of my family. I 1191 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,200 Speaker 1: use hunting as a mechanism to build relationship with them. 1192 01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean I spend a ton of time with my 1193 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,880 Speaker 1: kids hunting and the hunting related stuff. If if they 1194 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,960 Speaker 1: were doing other activities, we would not spend the arms 1195 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 1: reached time together that we do. So it's like I'm 1196 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: using that as a tool and so I mean, you 1197 01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: just gotta see if it fits. Is this a tool 1198 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,559 Speaker 1: to really build something into my family? And I've said 1199 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,120 Speaker 1: this before, like there's this narrative in the hunting community. 1200 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,519 Speaker 1: You know, take your kid hunting and you're you're gonna 1201 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,920 Speaker 1: have this like great kid. That's not true. Hunting is 1202 01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,040 Speaker 1: not gonna save your kids. Um, if you have a 1203 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,599 Speaker 1: really strong relationship with your kid and you use hunting 1204 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:07,439 Speaker 1: as a vehicle for human relationship, then yes, you're it's 1205 01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna help your kid. And and that's what I've that's 1206 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,040 Speaker 1: what I've tried to do. And uh and and people 1207 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: can do that with a lot of different stuff. But 1208 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,559 Speaker 1: you know, for this context we're talking about we're talking 1209 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: about some honey, but using it as a tool. Yeah, 1210 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this whole thing is sacrificed too, 1211 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:30,120 Speaker 1: And and talking with our spouses now because I've I've 1212 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 1: really shown Jessica like I'll sacrifice anything for my family. 1213 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Like if I was to go to her and be like, hey, 1214 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: so and so wants me wants to go hunting, that 1215 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,040 Speaker 1: we can you know, we think she'd be like, oh man, 1216 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,200 Speaker 1: it's like she wants to share in that joy because 1217 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,439 Speaker 1: I'm not always trying to do that. You know, she 1218 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,040 Speaker 1: trusts my heart and that I am thinking of her first, 1219 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 1: you know. And on that note, I went when my 1220 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 1: dad left fault killed the biggest buck of my life. 1221 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,960 Speaker 1: So it was just kind of worked out. So she 1222 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 1: likes game now that then she she's she's slowly acquiring it, 1223 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: she's slowly. Yeah, maybe don't start her out with possum. 1224 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Maybe not. I'll just say, yeah, we we use dear 1225 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:20,840 Speaker 1: meat for everything. Yeah, the heat's chilly. Lindsey's school with Yeah, 1226 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,320 Speaker 1: most of them are. I would say all of my 1227 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 1: wild game eating has happened at the New Conform and 1228 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,479 Speaker 1: that is a true statement. And all of her wild 1229 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,320 Speaker 1: game eating has happened at the New conform that we 1230 01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:39,599 Speaker 1: have been and we have like we still come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good. Well, um, 1231 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 1: I think I've said what I wanted to say. I mean, 1232 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:49,519 Speaker 1: I just want people if they don't remember anything, or well, 1233 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,840 Speaker 1: what are we what are we gonna say to all 1234 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,000 Speaker 1: the guys that aren't listening anymore? We can talk mad 1235 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,080 Speaker 1: about them because they're not listening. I think they got 1236 01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 1: it all figured out. No, no, we you know the time, 1237 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: Usually on this podcast we're talking to experts about hunting, 1238 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 1: like and that's what we'd like to talk about. That's 1239 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,320 Speaker 1: what this context is designed for. But it just seems 1240 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: like with all the stuff going on it was time 1241 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,120 Speaker 1: to have a little bit more serious podcast. And if 1242 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,840 Speaker 1: nothing else, just build your family intentionally. Don't wake up 1243 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,160 Speaker 1: in ten years and realize that there was something that 1244 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: you know you you are building something right now. That's 1245 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 1: the main thing. You're building something. Make sure it's on 1246 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,080 Speaker 1: purpose and and ultimately, you know. I was reading a book. Well, 1247 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it before. Sometimes I start to say 1248 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 1: something and then realize there's a big backstory behind it 1249 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,000 Speaker 1: that has to be said. I get into the backstory 1250 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,880 Speaker 1: and I forget what I was originally gonna say. I'm 1251 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: doing it now. Okay, okay, I'm doing it now. Um. 1252 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I read a book. Uh, real famous author from the 1253 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, Stevenson, you wrote. I can't remember what he wrote, 1254 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,920 Speaker 1: but I'm reading this book called Travels with a Donkey. 1255 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,879 Speaker 1: It's a little bitty book written in like old English. 1256 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: And uh, and this guy said he said a quote 1257 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,639 Speaker 1: that I liked because it's true. I think it's true. 1258 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:27,519 Speaker 1: He said that the reward of life is a man's friends. Yuh. 1259 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,840 Speaker 1: He it was really beautifully written, and that's just but 1260 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,160 Speaker 1: he said, the reward of life is a man's friends. 1261 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: And it's so It's so true and I've been saying 1262 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: it for a while, is that hunting would have little 1263 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 1: value if it weren't for friends that we could share 1264 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,000 Speaker 1: stuff with. It really is. I mean, I don't care 1265 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,920 Speaker 1: if you're like the biggest, baddest hunter on Instagram and 1266 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:58,439 Speaker 1: you you know, you you receive a lot of stuff 1267 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,320 Speaker 1: from your friends and even your haters. Like there there's 1268 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:08,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of um. So a lot of our 1269 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,080 Speaker 1: value that we get from stuff happens from being able 1270 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,560 Speaker 1: to share it, you know. And uh, and that's the 1271 01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,040 Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. We're such you know, I 1272 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,760 Speaker 1: think sometimes we we missed that point. Is that, like 1273 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:25,400 Speaker 1: we really ought to be experts at human relationship. That's 1274 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,519 Speaker 1: how that's that's big success and a lot of areas 1275 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:33,360 Speaker 1: of life. It's the hardest wildlife team. Yeah, yeah, it is. Well, 1276 01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,120 Speaker 1: we just did a podcast a few days ago with 1277 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:41,160 Speaker 1: some biologists and they said the guy said, uh, he 1278 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: said he had heard a biologists say I use more 1279 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 1: of what I learned in the bar dealing with humans 1280 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:57,840 Speaker 1: as a bartender. I'm not promoting bartending. Um. Then he 1281 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:03,640 Speaker 1: did use his wildlif biology to he's a wildlipologist with 1282 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,760 Speaker 1: me all the guys are just like half grinning looking 1283 01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,760 Speaker 1: at me, going like what he's saying. He was saying, 1284 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,920 Speaker 1: as a wildli biologist, he manages people more than he 1285 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:19,599 Speaker 1: actually manages science of biology. Dealing with people. Yeah, closing comments, Guys, 1286 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,680 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? What do what do? What do we? 1287 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,439 Speaker 1: What do we need to say? We're done? I think 1288 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,400 Speaker 1: I think we wanna. What I want to communicate is 1289 01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,160 Speaker 1: just you know, you're not alone. You know you need people, 1290 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,800 Speaker 1: and uh. The great thing is is that is that 1291 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,080 Speaker 1: experience is something that that someone can share. You know, 1292 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,000 Speaker 1: it's not just something that you have that you can't 1293 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:50,200 Speaker 1: give away. And I think I think that that we've 1294 01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,320 Speaker 1: had some good experience. We've made some bad decisions, but 1295 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,439 Speaker 1: we've made some good decisions too, and uh, you know, 1296 01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,920 Speaker 1: for for Clay and I who who are kids are 1297 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,080 Speaker 1: it and older we've seen the the benefit of the 1298 01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 1: sacrifices and the decisions that we've made. And uh and 1299 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:13,040 Speaker 1: you know watching Ben lead his girls and you see 1300 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: the good fruit and you see where um, there's decisions 1301 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,280 Speaker 1: where you could have made that that would have been 1302 01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,280 Speaker 1: better for them, and so we want to be able 1303 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,360 Speaker 1: to share that with people. Um, to know that that 1304 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,559 Speaker 1: there's a way to do it that that really produces 1305 01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,200 Speaker 1: good fruit. You know, my wife talks a lot about um, 1306 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, having kids is like having an orchard and 1307 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,200 Speaker 1: you you plant and you fertilize and you water and 1308 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,360 Speaker 1: uh you know, now our kids are getting to the 1309 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,720 Speaker 1: age where we're just picking the fruit and enjoying it, 1310 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,479 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think I think we want 1311 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,880 Speaker 1: that for everybody out there to really have a family 1312 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: that that you can enjoy. There's nothing worse than not 1313 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,840 Speaker 1: liking your own family, you know, or would rather be 1314 01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,479 Speaker 1: somewhere else than with your own family, or friends that 1315 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:05,160 Speaker 1: won't go in with on a boat. Yeah, nobody wants 1316 01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,320 Speaker 1: a friend like that. But yeah, anyway, it's worth it. 1317 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,240 Speaker 1: The investment is worth It's the best investment you can make. 1318 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,400 Speaker 1: Clo thought, Yeah, I just to I was thinking about 1319 01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: how when people think talk about parenting, a lot of 1320 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,880 Speaker 1: times the focus is on not just parenting the culture. 1321 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,519 Speaker 1: The focus is on like behavior. And I think what 1322 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: I want to say is that you are the family culture. 1323 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,360 Speaker 1: It starts with you. I'm saying you to like everybody 1324 01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: like and me, it starts there and before you can 1325 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,200 Speaker 1: expect because when you start, especially with small kids, are like, 1326 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,559 Speaker 1: how on the world I get him to stop screaming 1327 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,360 Speaker 1: their head on? You know, You're like all these behaviors 1328 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,960 Speaker 1: you want to fix. It's like, well, start with you 1329 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,439 Speaker 1: and what you gotta do with and and I know that, 1330 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,240 Speaker 1: um and I shared this analogy with you other day. 1331 01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,600 Speaker 1: But I just bought a puppy recently. He's a registered 1332 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,240 Speaker 1: Brittany beautiful dog. I'm really proud of him. Started training him. 1333 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,040 Speaker 1: It's I'm not making my bird dog and just trained 1334 01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,120 Speaker 1: him as a family pet. And I've trained dogs before, 1335 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: And huh, why didn't you get a scroll dog? I've 1336 01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:20,920 Speaker 1: interacted Instagram posts about pets. Go ahead, I was actually 1337 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,360 Speaker 1: gonna bring him in here about in your office? Sudden 1338 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,400 Speaker 1: I thought about bringing him. He's sitting at home alone 1339 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,880 Speaker 1: right now. But anyway, UM, so I've trained dogs before, 1340 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,439 Speaker 1: and it back when I was younger. I remember it 1341 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,759 Speaker 1: was all about how do I get him to do blank? 1342 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: How are I gonna do that? But it was all 1343 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,200 Speaker 1: about the behavior. And I was sharing you with this, 1344 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,720 Speaker 1: you sharing this with you the other day of how 1345 01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,800 Speaker 1: it's like now that I've parented, it's like my perspectives 1346 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,000 Speaker 1: totally different towards the dog. Like all I've been doing 1347 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:53,840 Speaker 1: is is like communicating to him that I care about 1348 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,200 Speaker 1: him and that I'm his authority figure almost just like 1349 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,880 Speaker 1: can I get this dog to know me and respect me? 1350 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,080 Speaker 1: And it's just totally different, And it's like and it's 1351 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,200 Speaker 1: made the training easier because there's already a relationship. And 1352 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,280 Speaker 1: that's why dogs. I love dogs, is because they are 1353 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,320 Speaker 1: relation on with him and so much more than other pets. 1354 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,160 Speaker 1: But I was like, goally, that's just like with my kids, 1355 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Like I don't actually to me, it's not really it's 1356 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,519 Speaker 1: important of this their behavior as much as like do 1357 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,400 Speaker 1: they know my heart? And so I've got to I've 1358 01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 1: got to focus on that versus, you know, trying to 1359 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:37,080 Speaker 1: get them straighten up or whatever. Mr nils I would say, 1360 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm a very practical guy, and I think you can 1361 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,360 Speaker 1: hear this podcast and think where do I start right 1362 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,080 Speaker 1: and you try to maybe take a big bite of 1363 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna build family culture. I think it's just starting 1364 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,960 Speaker 1: just one decision, what do you value and and focus 1365 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,439 Speaker 1: on that for the next two months. It's like, if 1366 01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:58,080 Speaker 1: you want to value communication, focus on being more communicative 1367 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,160 Speaker 1: with your wife and with your children right. If you 1368 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,880 Speaker 1: want to, if you want to value being, having a 1369 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,519 Speaker 1: servant heart and serve people, focus on that for for 1370 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,280 Speaker 1: the next month or two months. It's not taking a 1371 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,960 Speaker 1: big chunk of life and let me build family culture 1372 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,160 Speaker 1: and family values. But it's just make one right decision 1373 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,000 Speaker 1: each day, make the next right decision, make the next 1374 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,880 Speaker 1: right decision, and then you wake up ten years so 1375 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: now and you realize you built something right, and we 1376 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,400 Speaker 1: as humans are naturally designed to build something, but it 1377 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,479 Speaker 1: takes one step out of time. Yeah, that's good. Great, Well, 1378 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,360 Speaker 1: thanks guys, Thanks time appreciative. May I just want to 1379 01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,280 Speaker 1: say to you really know how to how to treat 1380 01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 1: a podcast guest, to that breakfast this morning? You treat 1381 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,960 Speaker 1: all your podcast guests that way. No, oh wow, special 1382 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:54,280 Speaker 1: all past podcasts guests breakfast. No, no, don't tell him, 1383 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,680 Speaker 1: don't tell him. All right, guys, man, I'm trying to 1384 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,720 Speaker 1: think there was something I was going to you out. 1385 01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 1: That's it. We're done. Keep the wild places wild because 1386 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:04,840 Speaker 1: that's where the bears live.