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Speaker 1: What's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is Spice Adams and you're listening to the NFL

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Speaker 2: Player's Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Baby, and welcome back. Thank you for tuning in to

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Speaker 3: the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. It's been a minute,

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Speaker 3: but were back on, Peanut, and I got my uncle

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Speaker 3: Whitney as always, mister Roman Hormal.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening you good? I was not ready for

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Speaker 2: the drum roll or whatever you call that at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: That's not the normal introduction, that's not how it actually works.

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Speaker 2: I will not say your name because I don't want

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Speaker 2: to give away who our guest is, but just know

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Speaker 2: that it's a different.

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Speaker 4: Opening every single time come on here.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so I never know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: comes out of this guy's mouth.

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Speaker 4: I don't know as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we get all that this, you know,

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Speaker 2: to push it on forward. Peanut, who's our guest today?

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Speaker 3: Today? We got an oldie but a goodie. This gentleman

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Speaker 3: played seven years for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was

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Speaker 3: drafted in the second round by Love Smith, one of

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Speaker 3: my former coaches. He's a Super Bowl winning champion. He's

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Speaker 3: an All Pro guard. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ali Marpetts.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, boss?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hold on all right now, all right, before you even

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Speaker 2: go into Ali, we gotta address the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: You were a second round pick by Tampay Bucks from.

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Speaker 2: A Division three, Yes school, that means you, William Smith

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Speaker 2: and Baylor.

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Speaker 3: I can't even pronounce it. They got like eight names.

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Speaker 1: You got like three different D three programs right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, so three player. Uh so I'm hyping myself

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Speaker 1: up here. I like to do it. You should introduction.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. Now.

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Speaker 4: So I was the I'm playing with D two guys,

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Speaker 4: never get three.

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Speaker 1: That was the highest drafted Division three player in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: So that the small school guys. You gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: have school guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I read though that you were the offensive player

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Speaker 3: of the year as a lineman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, other things I feel proud of. Yeah. So I

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Speaker 1: was co offense. I don't know if does that work

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Speaker 1: another quarterback, but yeah, so I was a co offensive player.

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Speaker 1: At the conference, I was did you have any touchdowns?

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Speaker 1: No touchdowns or anything like that. So no real stats,

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Speaker 1: but I'm telling you I was better. Just put up politely.

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Speaker 1: I was better than my competition pretty significantly enough to

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Speaker 1: to garner that honor. But yeah, so I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is what football is like. You just like dominate, dude, dominate,

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Speaker 1: and then when you get to the NFL, it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, it's a bit different. These guys are getting paid.

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Speaker 3: To how much you have dominated a D three school?

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Speaker 4: Nowhere near as much as that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, so I play with a guy,

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Speaker 2: Jarry Evans, who went to Bloomsburg University. It was a

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Speaker 2: D two, right, and so I was like, how do

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Speaker 2: went like fourth round? You being second round. It is

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Speaker 2: like that's like being first round of any If you

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Speaker 2: went to small school, so everybody's like they're going to

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Speaker 2: question it, but second round is just like going first

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Speaker 2: only way you get drafted from a small school is

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Speaker 2: literally you have to destroy people as an offer to Lineman,

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Speaker 2: You're like, you're carrying him out of bounds, your body,

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Speaker 2: slamming somebody every play. You're like, you just jump off

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Speaker 2: the tape. You're like, I don't know, the film's kind

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Speaker 1: I mean, so that is kind of I got a

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Speaker 1: little bit hype myself up here, but a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's how it has to play out. And also like

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Speaker 1: on the It's so much easier pick the Alabama or

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Speaker 3: Smaller school So how was it when you went to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was kind of like an eye opening.

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Speaker 3: Experience, Like damn, okay, I'm not really storing people or.

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Speaker 1: So I actually did okay the Senior Bowl too, and

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Speaker 1: that was like a surprise for me. So like my

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Speaker 1: first rep one on ones, like that's the that is

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Speaker 1: Wednesday exactly. So like they say, the game doesn't really matter,

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Speaker 1: it's just really one on ones that matter anyway. So

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Speaker 1: my I'm like getting all fired up. It's exciting for me.

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Speaker 1: My first rep. I'm at left tackle against Nate Orchard,

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Speaker 1: I don't belong here, Like what am I doing against

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Speaker 1: a sack leader? First rap? And I ended up winning it,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, maybe I do belong

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Speaker 1: And then slowly throughout the course of the week, I

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Speaker 1: couple of moments where I was like kind of surprising myself, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: along the way, does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Yes, competition.

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Speaker 1: Here, and I realized they realized that I shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: playing left tackle, I think right. That was another.

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Speaker 2: Thing I was gonna say, like, so you played tackle

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Speaker 2: in college and then you transitioned to guard, because yeah.

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Speaker 1: Even if the senior ball is playing next to Trent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yething like that and had a terrible pro day,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, great player, great dude, great player. But I was.

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Speaker 1: I was playing left tackle and I'm six four, three

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Speaker 1: to me who's six sevens whatever, he is three seven

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Speaker 1: left guard tackle, you play left guard. So that was

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Speaker 3: So you were at your heaviest weight, you were three

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Speaker 3: or seven. What was that process like to go through

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Speaker 3: and eat the calories? I mean you weren't naturally big.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean yeah, you can see where I'm

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Speaker 1: But yes, it was hard, like when people tell me

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Speaker 1: they can't gain weight like young athletes, and I talked

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Speaker 1: guarantee you you're going to gain weight. Like I had

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Speaker 1: my alarm set to eat food. Like I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: heard the story, you know, the guys in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: they're like need to like like it's the job is

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Speaker 1: to eat right, And that was that was my mentality

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Speaker 1: I just had to sort of like the awareness around

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like I always I still have that

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Speaker 1: same awareness around food. I just now need to change

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Speaker 4: So do you eat less or do you eat differently?

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Speaker 1: I just eat less. I last night I had went

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Speaker 1: if I don't know if you guys been here, but

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Speaker 1: who's your Chicago baste? So ocell there's an Ocean burger

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Speaker 1: place here and there. Last night, I'm still eating your hood.

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Speaker 1: I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Bacon.

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Speaker 1: One of the best burger get.

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Speaker 3: You have no idea, one of the best Burgers in

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Speaker 3: Chicago shout.

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Speaker 1: Out to.

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Speaker 4: Shout out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I just have to eat less of it.

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Speaker 1: But again, the intentionality around food is not something I

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Speaker 3: So you look like a tight end right now. First

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Speaker 4: Looks just like a tight end.

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Speaker 1: Yeh. I don't know if I got the hands for it.

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Speaker 2: So you you were co MVP and college you can

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Speaker 1: Hyping you up.

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Speaker 3: Now you should come back as a tight end. You

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Speaker 3: can go to tight End University to be with Greg

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Speaker 1: No. So, Actually, one of my workouts for the in

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Speaker 1: to Hobart. So it was I don't know, two hour

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Speaker 1: drive or whatever. So they all came out to the

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Speaker 1: school and I did five minutes of line position work

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Speaker 1: and then I did thirty minutes of tight end stuff.

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Speaker 1: I was like, i'mbout to play tight end. This would

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Speaker 1: be about to be cool, Like I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: whole different experience around football, like I'm gonna get my

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Speaker 1: I didn't end up.

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Speaker 3: What I want to ask is, when I retired, I

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Speaker 3: built a boat. I built a rowboat, and I rolled

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Speaker 3: across Lake Michigan. It's fantastically twenty twenty five, twenty six hours,

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Speaker 3: non stop straight. We built a boat. My buddy of mine, Jake,

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Speaker 3: we built a bowl a rowboat from scratch, and that

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Speaker 3: was kind of a you know what, I still got

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Speaker 3: it in my tank to do something competitive orthing like that.

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Speaker 3: So you retired after seven seasons. You retired fairly young,

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Speaker 3: and you lost seventy five pounds and you climbed Mount Killing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I hope I said that right, you got it. Do

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Speaker 3: you think you could have climbed that mountain at your

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Speaker 3: playing weight?

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. Uh. I would like to think

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Speaker 1: that I could have. But so I was inspired by

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Speaker 1: a teammate of mine, so Bo Allen, who was he

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Speaker 1: at three twenty probably at the time. So I like

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Speaker 1: to think that if he did it, I could do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then also, uh, that same trip Pilodinada. He announced

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Speaker 3: I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so I know you were So

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Speaker 1: I did it a couple of years later. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: not to I heard stories about it. They need a

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Speaker 2: I'm it's cold, I'm straight. I have adventures in my life,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm.

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Speaker 1: It's fun, it's cool.

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Speaker 3: Let's go. They're finalizing the list for next year, finalizing

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Speaker 1: To I mean, I think for most players and for myself,

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Speaker 1: Does it makes sense? It does it? Does?

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Speaker 4: It was two years, twenty million dollars you left out there.

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Speaker 3: So it was just like a bonus for you to

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Speaker 2: So first of all, you seem like a disaster prepper, right,

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Speaker 4: Sure, which it actually turned out.

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Speaker 2: To be a benefit for you, and so as you

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Speaker 2: did you decide? Was it? Was it after Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: That wasn't going to be. After my first training camp,

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Speaker 3: I know hard three And I was like this stuff

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Speaker 2: I called my dad, and my dad this is like,

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Speaker 2: You to look at that check that you got all right,

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Speaker 2: and you've been working for this your whole life. This

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Speaker 1: no you know, tapping anyone else in Like that's the

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Speaker 1: thing about playing line. You're getting all the reps, especially

438
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Speaker 1: as a young guy. And also that was always my

439
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,400
Speaker 1: mentality too, even like as over year six or seven,

440
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: where maybe I could have cut back on something like

441
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: I was always the guy that was going to try

442
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: and get everything that I could, and I think that

443
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: may have possibly contributed to the fact that I'd sort

444
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: of burnt out a little bit from doing it. But yeah,

445
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: that was always my mentality. But as far as your question,

446
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 1: as far as like when did I know, like when

447
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: it was that moment, I don't. The truth is I

448
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 1: don't know if there was really like a definitive moment.

449
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean I will say like my rookie year, I

450
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: knew that like if I had saved up X right

451
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 1: if I Another indicator for me is like I saw

452
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Speaker 1: some older guys like if I'm taking you know, like

453
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: a celebrex or like an anti flammatory like every every

454
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: day just to get if just to get through, that's

455
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Speaker 1: an indicator that I should probably not be doing this.

456
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: So that was another indicator for There's a lot of

457
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Speaker 1: things that I kind of contributed to it, but.

458
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Speaker 3: I was just so addicted, like I just loved it.

459
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 3: But then again, but you're a lineman, so you guys

460
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Speaker 3: are every plate.

461
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Speaker 1: It's different.

462
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Speaker 3: I was not like that corner safety like I just

463
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: I just ran more right, I wasn't a banger.

464
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: If it was running like I think like to think

465
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Speaker 1: that it would be different. But again, there's no like

466
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Speaker 1: getting away from It's like just sure.

467
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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of linemen talk about that, so

468
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,239
Speaker 2: tell me this part. How did your family take this

469
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: friend's family? Did you get all positives when you're like,

470
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Speaker 2: you know what this is? Like it's time because it's

471
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: not just you. Yeah, because when you retire, we all retire.

472
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: Like everybody's life changes because everybody celebrates when you win,

473
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: we all kind of down when you lose. You are

474
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Speaker 2: the heartbeat of a whole family. When you go to

475
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: the NFL, I don't think everybody understands that. So how

476
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 2: did how was their reactions? How's how did that play

477
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: on your heart as well?

478
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Speaker 1: Uh So to your point, my mom and I always

479
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of joked like I was obviously a big dude,

480
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: so so big that I would have like gravitational pull,

481
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: like that's what football does, right, things everybody is does.

482
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Speaker 1: So my family wuld always congregate after games. So you're right,

483
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: there's there's not just you, it's everybody. Everybody that's part

484
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: of it. So I think even for like other people

485
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: in my family, like just navigating what the fall looks

486
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Speaker 1: like this past fall, like all right, what do we

487
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: do without football? It wasn't just me, but you're right,

488
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: but everybody was incredibly supportive. I think that was that

489
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: was lot so mom was like, whatever you want to do, Like,

490
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: we totally unconditional, so that I had. Fortunately, I had

491
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Speaker 1: a support system around me that like got it and

492
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Speaker 1: that helped the decision.

493
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Speaker 4: So you being so young, like, yeah, what are you

494
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Speaker 4: twenty nine?

495
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Speaker 3: I'm thirty thirty?

496
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Speaker 4: Okay, just turned the Big three? Oh yeah, April?

497
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Speaker 1: Right, should you guys do? Come on?

498
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: Called research?

499
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: It's called preparation. It's like watching game film.

500
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Speaker 3: Little bit.

501
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 4: We got good coaches too, Sure we got good coaches.

502
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Speaker 3: Still a good team, damn good team. But would you do?

503
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: Like thirty is a big one, you know, thirty forty fifty,

504
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: you got to do some big Like what what would

505
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Speaker 3: you do for the Big three?

506
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Speaker 1: I'm loky, so like I love one, I love food,

507
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I love you know, people around me. So I had

508
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Speaker 1: people at the house, got a sush sushi chef pretty

509
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: much like all you can eat sushi and just hung

510
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Speaker 1: out there.

511
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Speaker 3: What's your favorite role sushi roll?

512
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Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting, I know, I don't think I've been asked

513
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: that question. Uh, just I'd go tune to salmon avocado

514
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: something like that, something simple that we might go to. Yeah, yeah,

515
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: but I'm big huge food guys. You can tell Oshibol sushi.

516
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: That's me.

517
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what what is your favorite type of food?

518
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Speaker 3: Then out of you know, that was just I'm going

519
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Speaker 3: Japanese sushi.

520
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Speaker 1: Favorite.

521
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Speaker 3: Have you ever been in Japan?

522
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Speaker 1: No? I need to. So I have done a fair

523
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Speaker 1: amount of traveling. So since that, we were going, Yeah,

524
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: let's do it out there. We're doing the shots, so

525
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: let's let's talk. Let's talk, let's talk travel, let's talk travel.

526
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: So actually, my my fiance and I when we first

527
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Speaker 1: sat down on our first date, we're like the three

528
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Speaker 1: places you want to go, right, So we both had Hawaii, Greece,

529
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Speaker 1: and Italy. Right, those are those are like.

530
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Speaker 4: Good places together?

531
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Speaker 1: You guys? Which one? All three?

532
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Speaker 4: All three?

533
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Speaker 1: All three together? No?

534
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Speaker 3: No, we didn't know why together. So we've we've been

535
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: agree together.

536
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

537
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Speaker 5: Anyway, so we did not hold hands romantic trip.

538
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, did not hold hands with this guy. No, I

539
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: can't hold hands with your pass.

540
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Speaker 1: No. But so that was Those are the first three

541
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: trips that we took when I retired. It's like, all right,

542
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: we have let's bucket list types of trip trips. So

543
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: we did those three. Since then, we've done We did Thailand,

544
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: I did India, with my dad did come and draw.

545
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: We talked about London and Paris. We're going to Spain

546
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: next month. So like all those types of things, like

547
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Speaker 1: the things that I felt like I couldn't do when

548
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: I played right, when I felt like I had to

549
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: train NonStop. The gym's in Europe, like, that's not any

550
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: that's not cutting it right.

551
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: They don't fit you, they don't fit me.

552
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: The free weights go up to forty five pounds. That's

553
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Speaker 1: not I'm not training over there. So I put all

554
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Speaker 1: that stuff off and now I'm able to do that,

555
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: which is.

556
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Speaker 2: I love child, and I think it's a I think

557
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: you learned so much more. Uh, seeing other cultures, other people,

558
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: how they live life and things like that. I'm not

559
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: naturally somebody that loves to travel, but being married to one,

560
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: uh it opens it up.

561
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Speaker 4: And yeah, they did.

562
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Speaker 1: Greece. That was really hard for you.

563
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: We met you in Athens, met in Athens and got

564
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Speaker 3: on a boat and went to We were in Greece,

565
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: Athens in Italy, Croatia, Croatia in Italy.

566
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Speaker 4: It was great.

567
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Speaker 2: I do want to go to Japan though, I think

568
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: Japan's got to be That's one of my bucket list

569
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Speaker 2: places and the reason why I want to go to

570
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Japan so much. Number one is how techi in advanced is.

571
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Speaker 2: But it's also the mindset that the Japanese people have

572
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: is that, yeah, I do respect their culture and just

573
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Speaker 2: like it's one of the few nations that have never

574
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Speaker 2: been colonized, Like they've always had to depend on themselves

575
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: to always make it. That's like they're things that so they.

576
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 4: Always want to very forward thinking. They all, you know

577
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: me guys.

578
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: So this is like for me, I just want to

579
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: be around that because I want to see it.

580
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: The last Samurai coming here too with Tom Cruise, and

581
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: they were talking about the whole Japanese custom and samurai

582
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: and this, and so yeah, it really made me want

583
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 3: to go check out Japan a little bit.

584
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: We'll do a trip, take the show on the road,

585
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: and we can.

586
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: Let's go, Thomas, Melissa, let's go. We can we can

587
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: definitely do this. Get the show in Japan perfect. We

588
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: can definitely do this, and.

589
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 4: We'll be right back.

590
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: All right.

591
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: So now let's talk about some traveling. We'll get back

592
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: to that as well. But this new journey you're on education.

593
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: You talked about why you're here, You're staying in the

594
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Speaker 2: New York area.

595
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 4: This last year and a half learning.

596
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: Now, you were an economics major in college, but now you're.

597
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: You're trying to be a psychologist.

598
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: Like I understand the body, the health, the whole total

599
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: wellness thing. This is your packet, Ali, Please let the

600
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: people know share with us why you're on this journey.

601
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a big part, like when I said,

602
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: I started with the end in mind. For me, I

603
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: always talk about the values, right, some health being a value.

604
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Another value of mind, like being of service to others,

605
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: which I think you guys can both relate to, right.

606
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: So for me, I was trying to navigate ways in

607
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: which I can be of service to my community right

608
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: in a way that felt satisfying and interesting to me.

609
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I landed on psychology because

610
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: like I think we as players, there's so much that

611
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: goes pours into the mental side of the game, right

612
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: for sure. So I was always interested in that, right,

613
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: that was my that's my interest, those are my passions,

614
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of merging that with the value of

615
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: being of service to others, if that makes sense.

616
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

617
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the mission that I'm on right now,

618
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: and it's a long process. Right, So in the fall,

619
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Speaker 1: I'll be starting doctor in psychology, So it's a five

620
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: year degree, right, So, like I've got all this is

621
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: a long time horizon. Yeah, but again, I'm learning about

622
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: things that I'm interested in, and at the end of it,

623
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: I hope to be able to help people in some capacity,

624
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: which is I think something that feels really important to me.

625
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Speaker 5: So I think, so that's kind of where if that

626
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: makes sense, No, do you know what you would want

627
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 5: to specialize in more or or as you continue to learn,

628
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: like you're using this as a runway to now figure

629
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 5: that out, you just know this is the pathway to it.

630
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't. The truth is I don't know

631
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: specifically what population I want to work with, but I

632
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: will say the full spectrum of mental health is incredibly

633
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: interesting to me. So I think that there are people

634
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: like you're probably familiar with sports psychologists, right that sort

635
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: of work on the visualization techniques and how to improve performance.

636
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: And there's also with people that work, you know, with

637
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: higher needs populations, and I think all of that, all

638
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: of that is interesting to me. And so as I

639
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: continue my education, I'm going to try and dip my

640
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: toe in a double a couple of different areas and

641
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: see what really resonates. So I don't really know. I

642
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: do know the full spectrum of mental health, oup performance

643
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: and higher needs are are seem at least intellectually stimulating.

644
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: So so like, I'm very stimulated by this too. Because

645
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: I've watched I've gotten into a lot more tennis, Peanut,

646
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: I know you don't know that, but I've gotten the

647
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: whole conversation about it, And so before you got breakpoint

648
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: was that. So that got me into it, And I

649
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: just didn't realize how many of these great tennis players

650
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: like there there are the world's best, and mentally they're

651
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: all like they got cracks, all in the cracks everywhere

652
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: because they lose way more than they win overall a

653
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: lot of times, like you're losing matches and when you

654
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: lose one match, you're out, out of the term, you're done.

655
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: But so every term that you don't win, you're trying

656
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: to figure out why. And these players are the best

657
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: of the best, and they always have somebody right there

658
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: on their side whole time, like tell them, hey, you're great,

659
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: Hey you're you're goods for it.

660
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you have that when you play golf?

661
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't full swing because that's.

662
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: I like full swing.

663
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: You good all the time.

664
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm calling you to get golf.

665
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: How do you how do you think you guys would

666
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: do in an individual sport? Like if that like you're

667
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you're the guy, tennis, whatever the sport is.

668
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: I think that a great, great question.

669
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: I am going Thomas cannot curse. I can't curse. I'm

670
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: crush it.

671
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: I love that.

672
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna suck it first, right, I'm going to

673
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: be terrible at first, but the way I think and

674
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: how I train, I'm going to obsess over it, and

675
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to work, work, work until I get whatever

676
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: it is that i'm trying to fix or get better on.

677
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: If you want to call it the Mamaman Mamba mentality. Yeah,

678
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: that that's what I would do. I'm actually currently I'm trying.

679
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: We need to play pickleball because I am going to

680
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: crush it at pickleball.

681
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: You haven't played, but you just know you're going to

682
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: crush it.

683
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: I played pickleball and it's so slow.

684
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: It's the sport that you don't have to be an athlete.

685
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: You don't have to be and I'm saying I would

686
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: crush it. But that's just my That's how I think.

687
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: Like I think as a guy man, like we size

688
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: each other up, like all one of the first things

689
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: you said, okay, he looked like he looked like it's

690
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: tight end he sized and you go up. But naturally

691
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: that's like what we do. Though I can't take him

692
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: he kind of big or like we're sizing sizing each other.

693
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 3: We're type of personality. So for me, anything that I

694
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: do that I try to Yeah, anything that I try

695
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: to do, I'm I have the mindset of like, oh yeah,

696
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna kill it.

697
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: I think I think the big watching those documentaries, the

698
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: biggest thing was like in times of failure, right, who

699
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: do you have around you? Because like and who you

700
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: have to be the one to sort of pull yourself

701
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: out of it for sure? Like how did you do?

702
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure, I'm sure you've lost in some capacity.

703
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: I have a guy.

704
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: You got a guy, I have my guy.

705
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: I have a guy in my corner. One of the

706
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: best things that he ever did was I read a

707
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: book called the World's Strangest Secret by Earl Nightingale, and

708
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: people have pondered this since the beginning of the time.

709
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: What is the world's saying, philosophers and everybody else. We

710
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: become what we think about. And that is something that

711
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: when I started playing, I read this book and I

712
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: still use it with me to this day. So if

713
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: I have success, I'm thinking, you know, something positive. But

714
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: when I have failure, why did I fail? Okay, I

715
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: was thinking about something at home, I was thinking about

716
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: something else, and I thought that negative into existence. You

717
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I read what I sold and

718
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: what I've really focused on now that I read that

719
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 3: book fifteen twenty years ago. When something negative creeps into

720
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: my mind, I tried to replace it with a positive

721
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: thought because if I'm thinking negative all the time, negative

722
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: tends to happen, you know what I'm saying. So that

723
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: was something that I learned early. So that's why when

724
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: you ask you that question like, oh, I'm gonna kill it,

725
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna crush it, Like that's just that's just how

726
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: my brain works. I try to take out that negative

727
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 3: and then just one percent focus on the positive. Sure,

728
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: you know it's all We'll talk offline, but I can

729
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: give you the book. It's like a quick twenty minute,

730
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: twenty minute read and Rome knows. It's like, I'm a

731
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: guy of quotes.

732
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: Yes, I read. I read a lot of hundreds of quotes.

733
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Take.

734
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: I take quotes. I can't give you like five right now, yeah,

735
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: but I have. I have them in my phone when

736
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: I read them, and I'm like, okay, yeah, like I

737
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: but that's how my brain. I'm attracted. I gravitate toward that,

738
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: and that kind of helps me stay out of that negative,

739
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: that down, the darkness and all that. So it's yeah,

740
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: it's great. I love it.

741
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: And Ali, I'll be honest, I think I would not

742
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: be essex in an individual sport because I've always been

743
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: a really good teammate. That's like what I pride my

744
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: cell phone is that I've been a great teammate. I

745
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: haven't always been the star. I've been around a lot

746
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: of really great players, and I've always been able to

747
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: add value to any situation I've been in. I know

748
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: how to get along with anybody. I know to pick

749
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 2: guys up when they're down. I know how to leave

750
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: when other people are down. Shoot I'll step out there

751
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: and do it, you know, And so I get this

752
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: thing going. So I understand I be able to read

753
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: the room. And so I am genuinely not a great

754
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: individual sport guy. But I have gotten into tennis lately,

755
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: and I've really gotten into golf, and I got the

756
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: golf blug bad people that knows this.

757
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: I try and golf as.

758
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Much as I can and whenever I can. I've gotten

759
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: a lot better in a short amount of time because

760
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm actually focusing on it, and so.

761
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 4: I'm seeing these results. And look, man, it's tough.

762
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you get a bad lie and

763
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: I should probably hit an iron out of this, but

764
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit this three wood anyways, and I don't

765
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: do well. And then trying to shake yourself out of that,

766
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: and just like with all these individual sports, like we've

767
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: seen on point break or full swings, these guys and

768
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: these women, Man, when one thing happens, it's really hard

769
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: to shake yourself out of it. When you don't have

770
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: anybody else to lean on to get you out of

771
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: It's you. You got to go out there and make

772
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: the play every single time, and so it is tougher.

773
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: It is a totally different thing. And you being a

774
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: psychologist down the line, and I think it's these things

775
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: are very very interesting, and you're going to have a

776
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: unique perspective. Yes, you will from all of these, from

777
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: all your sports. You know what sports has taught you

778
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: and what has given you.

779
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And I'll just say real quick again,

780
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: so not clinical advice or anything like that, but I

781
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: would say from a framework of experience right to your

782
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: point on sort of being in that team environment, like

783
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: what former players struggle with, right, So like what does

784
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: that look like when we don't have that, when we're

785
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: not leaning on each other? Just how much harder are life? Right?

786
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: We don't have that locker room that we're used to.

787
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: I think to your point, that's one of the many

788
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: challenges that you guys know obviously that I'm navigating too. Personally.

789
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, I'm not in the locker room.

790
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: What is who's my supports? I mean, I have a

791
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: sports system, but like navigating all those things, it's it's tough.

792
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a perfect sad way to my next

793
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: question was you know, with young guys now more and

794
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: more retiring, they're looking up, they're retiring early, they make

795
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: more money at an earlier age, and the NFL is

796
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: being so successful and being so great and blessed so

797
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: many of us. But when younger guys are starting to

798
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: want to retire, what advice would you give them? You

799
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: were a young guy that decided to retire in your twenties,

800
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: and now you see that more and more often, what

801
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: would be the advice for that you would give to them?

802
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: The good, maybe some of the bad, and maybe some

803
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: of the pitfalls that may be out there, especially like

804
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: not being in the locker room anymore.

805
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, so there's a lot to unpack and them

806
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: them thinking about a lot of different things. But I

807
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: would say we're still.

808
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: Kind of going through it too though. You're still trying

809
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: to figure it out though, right.

810
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: So I think that that speaks to where, like where I'm.

811
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: At, right, Yeah, And that's what I was saying, Like,

812
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: great question, but you're still trying to figure it out,

813
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: like you're navigating through it.

814
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm in it.

815
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in it, That's what I'm saying.

816
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would I would say is and I

817
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: I almost would say I anticipated feeling. I'm not like diagnosing,

818
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: but like depressed the like things like I anticipated that

819
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: after retirement. After talking to guys that are retired yea.

820
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: And I would say that like the lack of structure

821
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: and lack of clay, like those are things structured Claier,

822
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: that's where I live, that's in a safe space. So

823
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: like without those, I struggled, Uh you know pretty significantly.

824
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: It's it's without that, it's tough. Like I'm still in it.

825
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm still navigating talking about like my professional interests, like

826
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still narrowing in right. Yeah. So like

827
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: even up until this point recently before I was in

828
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: decided to go to to get my doctorate, Like there's

829
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: a lot, there's a entire year of navigating. I was

830
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: in a Master's of Mental Health counseling program. Now I'm

831
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: doing this and doing that, and it's like this period

832
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: of like uncertainty that just doesn't sit well day in

833
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: day out. So it's I would just say for anyone transitioning, Uh,

834
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: there's gonna be that period. Yeah, there's gonna it's just

835
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: the the uncertainty is going to happen. And that's totally fine.

836
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: And I think that there's there was a piece of me,

837
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: a part of me that I kind of I don't know,

838
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to like pride myself and being like, oh,

839
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the poster boy of like a successful

840
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: transition of right, I want to be like one of

841
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: the guys that knows how to do it the right way. Yeah,

842
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: exactly exactly in my head like those those But then

843
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: then that feels like burdensome to me, of like I

844
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: need to do everything right and like if I don't

845
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: have clarity and I don't have structure, Uh, then it

846
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: almost just added into that anxiety and uncertainty that I

847
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: was feeling throughout the transitioning processes. Does that make sense totally?

848
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: I felt?

849
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: I was the same way. Like I was like, all right,

851
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: I know what I want to do. I'm gonna do

852
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: this and that, and then I'm doing everything and I

853
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: still struggled. I was just like, man, I miss football,

854
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Like what's god, I don't have my locker room mind.

855
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: I got my boys, and I still had friends, like

856
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: we talked and we did all this stuff, but there's

857
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: just a piece of you missing because you've had this

858
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: unique experience high school, college, NFL, and then like that

859
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: it's over and you're just like, now, what am I

860
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: going to do now? Even though you might have it

861
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: planned out and you have your support system, you're still

862
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: there's still gonna be some form of struggle. Like if

863
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: you've done something for twenty years, thirty years, whatever, you're

864
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: gonna you know, I had a buddy say, you lose

865
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: you lose your a little bit of your identity. You

866
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: go through a small or some form of depression forget

867
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: I forget what the other one. But like, no matter

868
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: how good you have it, you will you will struggle.

869
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: But it's just how long does that struggle last? This

870
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: last a month, two months, three months, and then once

871
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: you're in it, then you come out of it and

872
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: and you you were able. It's kind of like grieving,

873
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: you know when you go to a funeral, you know

874
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: the five stages or four stages of grieving, Like you

875
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: have to grieve your your career, Like, yeah, I warned it,

876
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: and then now you just once you get over it,

877
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: that's when it, in my opinion, it starts to kind

878
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: of blossom and grow and you start your new life.

879
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it, but there are times where like

880
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I would legitimately just I mean I did, I would

881
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: cry or whatever, and it was because of the feeling

882
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: of grief. Like it was a very similar process for me,

883
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, that was a part of my journey,

884
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: and the way that I would describe it is just

885
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: sort of unsettled. So God's transitioning, just like anticipate that

886
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: there's going to be some unsettled aspect, like that's just

887
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: part of finding your next thing or the next chapter

888
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: is in any period of transition, it's just a little

889
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: bit unsettling, and especially for me because I love clarity

890
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and that's what I had with the NFL, so I

891
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: didn't have that and that was especially hard. And now

892
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm starting to get there, so that

893
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: feels good again.

894
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: I think for and this was my struggle was at

895
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: I just I wasn't confident in myself in doing other

896
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: things as well, Like I've just been so good at football,

897
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: and I mean, I just.

898
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 4: That's what I did.

899
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: And you gain all this confidence because you confirm validity

900
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: with all the successes that you have.

901
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: You just continue to knock down doors.

902
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: You know, you get the scholarship, the first scholarship, you

903
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean to go to college, so.

904
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: That builds confidence.

905
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Then you get to college and you're on the bench

906
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're playing you're like, dude,

907
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: that builds confidence, and then you see yourself in the

908
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: newspaper and then and now you get drafted, and so

909
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: you just continue to stack all these things that happened

910
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: for you're like, man, you just get more confident who

911
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: you are. That switch is turned off. And now you're

912
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: trying to transition because you know that's what we all

913
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: say we're gonna do. We're gonna be great at it, and.

914
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: You don't know, and you just you just like old

915
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: block you've ever had in your life because you we've

916
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 3: we've all been fairly successful, right right, you're the top

917
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: one point one to make it to the league, right

918
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: and then when you retire, when we retire, it's like that.

919
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: It's the first I don't know, I would say roadblock

920
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: that that's happened in our lives, Like whoa wait what happened?

921
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: And for me and when I tried to do some things,

922
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: it was like, man, am I even good? Like I

923
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: don't know, like I know in ball because like you

924
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: see it, do you understand it? And you get you

925
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: get promoted because of it. In other lanes, it's just

926
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: not as a clear.

927
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: So here's the question I'd pose and I think it's

928
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: like it's extraor rhetorical, like what does successful transition even

929
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: look like? Like if I'm crying and I'm upset like that,

930
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: that can still be part of the transitions. Like so,

931
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: like I think I don't even like it's like I

932
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: want to be I want to have a successful transition,

933
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: but I don't even know what that looks like. At times,

934
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what that even meant, you know

935
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, like, I think navigating what that

936
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: looks like and defining what that looks like for young players,

937
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: I think, uh, or retiring is an important thing to do.

938
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: I think that's what's huge. Yeah, that's great. That is

939
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: what's I think it's what you make it. That's what

940
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: makes it successful.

941
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

942
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to take a day and cry a

943
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: little bit and grieve and you know what.

944
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: I think though, so and then another So that's at

945
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: least something that I've I've found for myself. And then

946
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: to your point as well as earlier in your question

947
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: as far as other things for young guys transitioning and

948
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm still young guy transitioning, but the strengths that we

949
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: have as players, right, so I know that people talk

950
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: about that and your strengths you're saying in the locker room,

951
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: like the community, like build whatever your strengths were as

952
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: a player, though, that's your identity. That's the important thing

953
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: to carry on. If you're the team player, if you're

954
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: the guy in the locker room, if you know how

955
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to read people, like, how can I take these aspects

956
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: of myself, these skills that I've developed developed playing football,

957
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: and how do I bring that to my next career?

958
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: And I think that I'm assuming that you've done that

959
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: in some capacity. You're doing it's not a single man.

960
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: It's not one dude doing the podcast, right, like you

961
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: work in a team, like that's what you do. I

962
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: think that's so important. And that's what I found that.

963
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: I think that the things that I liked while playing,

964
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and you in my next career.

965
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

966
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: Total makes total sense? So so now the fun questions

967
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: we all have had our bell rung, We've all had

968
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: like wait, I'm in the league now, Oh snap, I

969
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: remember mine, Like I'm in the NFL. You know the

970
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: first time I went to the locker room some of

971
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: my uniform and you just eyes wide open. What was

972
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: that what was your welcome to the NFL moment when

973
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: you got there your first like you know, first just

974
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: whether it was a hit, whether it was looking at

975
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: your pain like just like damn, welcome to the NFL,

976
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: Like holy snap.

977
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: So I mean I can say earlier like that moment

978
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: one on one with at the Senior Bowl. Like for me,

979
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: that was the first experience that I had. It's like, oh,

980
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: I'm like you to think mentality like a D three,

981
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: like I'm playing for the love of the game, right,

982
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: there's no scholarship, like this is just this is just

983
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm out here. I'm like this guy's so Florida, Alabama

984
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm like, oh wait, like I'm I'm I'm

985
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: out here. So that was my first moment. And then

986
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: after I was drafted, I'd say, uh, probably my first

987
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: preseason game. Yeah, I was similar. I was. I can

988
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: still picture like my hands were just like dripping sweat,

989
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: like I was just like I was like, wait, this

990
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: was a first preseason. I wasn't even starting. It was

991
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: like nothing, nothing game and looking back on it, but

992
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: like freaking out and then just I don't know, getting

993
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the flow and when you're starting to play football and

994
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: then everything starts to kind of come together. Like I'd

995
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: say that was another moment for me.

996
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, nice, all right.

997
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: I mean my first preseason game, I think I played

998
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: like four plays.

999
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: I didn't even play. It was I mean, I didn't

1000
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: even care. I was just happy to be out there. Yeah,

1001
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: it happens, all right.

1002
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: My question is what is your best Tom Brady's story

1003
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: or I actually like Gronk too because he's pretty entertaining.

1004
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Not gonna lie, give me one of those two. For

1005
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: those two to come to Tampa Bay, it probably really

1006
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: changed everything. I know, the ticket sales went way up.

1007
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, having like I can define my career of

1008
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: what like football looked.

1009
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: Like prem post I'm telling you.

1010
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: Like like like like prior to Tom, like the bucks were

1011
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: weren't that that could yeah uh and like I don't

1012
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: know even like going out right and public, going to restaurants,

1013
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: but don't we cared. It's just fine, like I preferred

1014
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, yeah exactly. And then Tom comes around,

1015
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: we start getting you know, five uh, you know, primetime games,

1016
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: and people start to know what's going on. And I

1017
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: think either the community in Tampa became a little bit

1018
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: more of a football town which is awesome movie be

1019
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: a part of. But that was a cool, uh cool

1020
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: experience having.

1021
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: Him something something about when you start winning. We're like

1022
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: we were in Charlotte. We would come home at like

1023
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: midnight from you know, coming from the West Coast, and

1024
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: then we get home at like midnight one am, and

1025
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: it was fans outside and it was regular season already

1026
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: even in the Super Bowl yet you know what I'm saying.

1027
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: But it was just it's something about when you start winning,

1028
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: it's gravity. It pulls you in. You know what I'm saying,

1029
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: Like it's it's I don't know. I think it's just

1030
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: that's why I love the game football, man. It just

1031
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: it brings It really does bring a lot of people together.

1032
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Is it bad?

1033
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go back.

1034
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: And google, like what you look like? Seventy five pounds.

1035
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 3: You had longer hair, right.

1036
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm looking at you and I'm just like,

1037
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine you playing old line right now.

1038
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: You just don't even have to look. And a lot

1039
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: of people that lose weight like they look like they

1040
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: just had a.

1041
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: Big old head. It's all in your face.

1042
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: It was all my arrest of my body too. I

1043
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: mean I'll get you another kacure.

1044
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: You can see his cheeks.

1045
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: So I had a little a pretty unimpressive beard, but

1046
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: so I would what I do is I would cut

1047
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: my hair like once every two years, let it grow out,

1048
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: cut it again, buzzet right before the season, and then

1049
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: also I would let my facial hair grow out throughout

1050
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: the course of the season. So clean shaving and training

1051
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: camp and the beard grow out. Beard was pretty unimpressive.

1052
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: But my next profession, psychologist, I like to think, is

1053
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: another professional I can have a beard. So like two professions,

1054
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: football player and psychologists got the green light to grow beard.

1055
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: So I'm fired about that. I like that podcast host

1056
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: look at.

1057
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: This like I'm not used to seeing the you know

1058
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: all this, he's you finally just letting it go. I

1059
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: had a lot of.

1060
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 4: Haircutting, well my barber.

1061
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: My barber had his mom passed away, and just like

1062
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: just every everybody's off thank you, thank you.

1063
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: I feel like that appreciate it.

1064
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: So here's a Jewish question for you at my ancestry

1065
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 3: dot com, like two percent Jewish whatever.

1066
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: So how about that.

1067
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 3: Part of the tribe. So uh, I never had a mitzvah,

1068
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: Uh was never offered that as a kid because I

1069
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: didn't know I had the two three percent Jewish in me.

1070
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: And I know you passed on yours as a kid.

1071
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: Right, So so I yeah, I did not do a bumbs.

1072
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: But you keep going, this is going.

1073
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: Are you gonna have one?

1074
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: Is it?

1075
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: Is it too late to have one?

1076
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: No, it's not too late for either one of us.

1077
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: That's exciting. Dude. You want to have a bar mittal,

1078
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1079
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1080
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: You would have it would be an elite celebration.

1081
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: My god, I am so game.

1082
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you're waiting for an

1083
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: invitation for who We'll get you connect to the rabbi.

1084
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Let's let's do it. Well, do I

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Speaker 1: need to do one too? So way we can do

1086
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Speaker 1: a joint bar mits. I'm with it.

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00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: So I was at ah So Chicago, a lot of

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00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: Jewish people, right, I know a lot of Jewish people

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00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: in the community. So I'm in Houston and I'm the

1090
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: best man, and I get ready to give a I

1091
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: get ready to give a toast, and I grabbed my

1092
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: my my glass wine and I go lime everybody and

1093
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 3: it did not go over well. It was just cowboys

1094
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: and black people, and they were like, is he choking

1095
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: on something?

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00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 4: What the hell is know your audience.

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00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: In Chicago, but it's amazing. It's like, because I know

1098
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of Jewish people in the audience, I

1099
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: do that and they were like I was like, Okay,

1100
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: that didn't go over it. And it was like just

1101
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 3: give the toes, dumb and I was like all right, yeah,

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00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: best man, love you, bless you, blessings right drinko.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, you're halfway through your bars now.

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Speaker 2: So this is this is my last question is that

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00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: it goes back to traveling because we talked about the

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00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: traveling and we both kind of opened up about it

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I want your top five travel destinations

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00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: bucket list, whether you've done it before or that you

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00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: want to hit next.

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Speaker 1: So all the ones that I hit, So Italy to

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00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: me is that's a must. So Florence is unbelievable. The

1112
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Malfi Coast is unbelievable, but all put that as one.

1113
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Two Greece is unbelievable. Islands off Greece are great. So

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Speaker 1: those are two places that I've done, places that I

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Speaker 1: want to go hit. Three Portugal I want to go

1116
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be going uh in Japan would be.

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Speaker 1: Those are probably my next three trips. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: All of those places.

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Speaker 1: Look at you.

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00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: Every single place I've been to the.

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00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: World Traveler, he is, he is, He's encouraged me to

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00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: do I'm trying to encourage him.

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Speaker 3: True story. We went to Croatia. We're in de Bruvnick.

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Speaker 3: We went to the Brevnick Croatia, went jumped on the

1126
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: Mediterranean and tried to play like two big black guys

1127
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: trying to play water polo.

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Speaker 1: How'd that go?

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00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: Terrible? Because mister Harbor over here jumped in the lake

1130
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: or the met the sea. He jumped in and he goes,

1131
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 3: jumps down and comes up and goes, ain't no bottom.

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Speaker 1: A little bit different. That's a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Different, first of all, because it was like little kids

1134
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 6: out there. You got to understand, I just draw the

1135
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 6: picture for everybody, all right, So it's little kids out there.

1136
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 6: We're in our speedos because that's what everybody has, and

1137
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: and so we're all.

1138
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: In Oka and so.

1139
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: And then so so we get out there. I'm like,

1140
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: if little kids are out here doing it, like I

1141
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: could do it too. It wasn't that bad. So I

1142
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: go in and I'm just you know, standing up top

1143
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: at first. Then I'm just gonna kind of relax, go

1144
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: down and then come back and get my breath. And

1145
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: I went down and I kept going, kept bro I

1146
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: came back up like, I ain't no bottom, this is

1147
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: not it. And so from there on I was very

1148
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: uncomfortable the rest of the time the water polo bottom.

1149
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: The water polo experience was not good for me. It

1150
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: was not great.

1151
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: We had a good time, but overall, I mean I

1152
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: just didn't realize that you just you know, you're just

1153
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: out there.

1154
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't it was.

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00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1156
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: Mary was great, but that was probably his worst experience.

1157
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: It was I just remember him coming and saying, it

1158
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 3: ain't no bottom.

1159
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: I was like laughing. So I was a little nervous.

1160
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: O my god.

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Speaker 3: All right. The final question to you Mount Rushmore. Okay,

1162
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: who would you put on your Mount Rushmore? The people

1163
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 3: that have helped you, uh just kind of guided you

1164
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: along the way. They were there before you retirement, when

1165
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: you play, coaches, teachers, just a group of people that

1166
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: have really been team Alley, ye your entire life thus far.

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00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. I think for me, I

1168
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: was super fortunate that like I could name the people individually,

1169
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: but like my family, So I'd start with my mom

1170
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: and dad, Like for them, you.

1171
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: Don't make that make it too because.

1172
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually put them one one into put

1173
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: them for two different reasons. My dad from like a

1174
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: work work ethic standpoint, like a standard of like sort

1175
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: of excellence like that coming from him. And then my

1176
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: mom just from like I don't know, from an emotional standpoint,

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00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: like from a compassion to myself and others and being

1178
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: the service of others. Those those two things that are

1179
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: ingrained in me. So those two i'd say, Uh. While

1180
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I was playing my fiance right now soon to be wife,

1181
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: she was a huge support to me throughout playing. It's

1182
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: a hard it's a hard thing to do right, There's

1183
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: a lot of stress, a lot of pressure. To have

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00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: someone to help sort of carry that load was absolutely

1185
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: massive for me. And then I would probably put for

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: number four. Uh for my football career. Uh. He's now

1187
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: the head coach at at Hobarty was my offensive line

1188
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: coach and offensive coordinator. But Kevin Dawalla, he was a

1189
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: fantastic again standard of excellence of like how to hold

1190
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: yourself the high standard, and how to get improved on things.

1191
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: And you know that was that. He was absolutely massive

1192
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: for me. So and still as so we're staying in

1193
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: touch obviously. So those are my four.

1194
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: So you like the standard at your college, like, hey,

1195
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: if he can do it, you can do it, and

1196
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: before before and before you that.

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00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: It's more like if you do everything right and you

1198
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: can check these boxes, then they'll find it. They'll find

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Speaker 1: a way. Like that's the truth.

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Speaker 3: So why do you think you didn't get like a

1201
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: D one offer or a D two offer? Why do

1202
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: you think that is?

1203
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: So? I grew up in Westchester, New York, so sellers

1204
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: in New York City. It's not really like football country.

1205
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: It's like so that. And then also I was super undersized.

1206
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I was like two hundred and twenty whatever pound offensive lineman.

1207
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: It's not playing D one. And then I also didn't

1208
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: have the best frame of reference. I wasn't going to

1209
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: like camps and things like that and how someone tell

1210
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: me to do X, Y and z. So just navigating

1211
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: those things. So that's why cool. But I do have

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00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: one other thing that I kind of can I tie together? Yeah,

1213
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: So talking about travel and quotes, right, because that's that's

1214
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: you too. I want to pull it up. But so

1215
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: I was in London, was doing some traveling recently in

1216
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: April or whatever, and we went to the Winston Churchill

1217
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: Museum and we get to see, you know, the war

1218
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: rooms were like where he conducted the war. Right, So

1219
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: it's a underground bunker, it's unbelievable. It's also a Churchill museum.

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00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: And he had a quote in there that I love.

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00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: Then I think that you'll want to make a note

1222
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: of if I can find it. Yeah, So I refuse

1223
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: to be exhibited like a prize bowl whose chief attraction

1224
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: is his past prowess. So I'll say it again, I

1225
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: refuse to be exhibited like a prize bowl whose chief

1226
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: attraction is his past prowess. So as that relates to

1227
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: formed players, right. So I think a lot of times

1228
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: we identify and and hang our hats on that. But

1229
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: I think as we look forward to the things that

1230
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: we can bring to our communities, I think that's what's

1231
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: going to excite us and invigorate us. And I think

1232
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: that that quote is awesome. You make a note of

1233
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: that one.

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00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: I will get it after we wrap up on the

1235
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: show's not about just our football prowess.

1236
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: I feel like that's apt for our setting here so.

1237
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 3: Perfect and with that, we're done. That's that's my job.

1238
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: That's like the perfect outro.

1239
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 4: Don't drop the.

1240
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: Metaphor I heard gonna build us on that. We can't

1241
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: do that. Hey, Ali, I man, this is good. All right,

1242
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 3: well this was great.

1243
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: This is great for me.

1244
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Man, Thank you for all of our

1245
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: listeners out there. Continue to tune in wherever you get

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00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: your podcasts. At oh, I can look into the camera.

1247
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: I forget we had got a camera out here. All right,

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Speaker 2: star rating. Please, we appreciate that. And like always, man,

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Speaker 2: keep listening, keep looking at us.

1252
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: We're doing our thing.

1253
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: Tell a friend to tell a friend to tell a

1254
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: friend were out put. Hey, thank you, this is dopeciously.

1255
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm glad we get to do him in person. We'll

1256
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: exchange rumbers offline. But like your transitioning everything, feel free

1257
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: to use me as a reference or a resource, not

1258
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: reference a resource room. He know everything. He's probably what

1259
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: he been playing. Would you retired here. He retired in

1260
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. But he started playing in the eighties.

1261
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: That's why.

1262
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: The first time I met him, I thought he was

1263
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: like forty five, but he was like, no, man, I'm

1264
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: twenty seven. I was like, ain't no way, but yeah.

1265
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: He just yeah. But wealth and knowledge, you said.

1266
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, so much.

1267
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: We're going to end the show.

1268
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we got to end the show. We appreciate

1269
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: shall thank y'all for tuning in. We out