1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine point 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: one Sean, if you want to be a part of 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: the program. So, the Interior Secretary and the Interior Department 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: has released major updates on coal potential potentially beneath federal lands. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: As the President has pointed out again and again and 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: again and again, we don't need the strat o Horn moves. 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: We don't. We don't need any energy from any country 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to coal, when it comes to natural gas, 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to oil, we are an energy dominant country. 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: We are now a net exporter of energy. And with 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: that said, we still you know, want the world to 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: have the free flow of oil at market prices. Anyway 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: here to go through all of the challenges obviously, as 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: you know, we ping pong back because you got these 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: lunatics in Iran that don't want a piece deal that 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, every time we get close to a piece 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: deal with one group of moderates that that want one. 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Then you got all the hardliners that come in, loyal 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: to the former Supreme Leader, Leader Ali Hamani, come in 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: and they want to just disrupt the process. Do I 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: think they're stupid? No? Do I think they're evil. Yes, anyway, 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: here to weigh in. A friend of the program, longtime friend, 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: and he's Secretary of the Interior, Chairman of the National 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Energy Dominance Council, Doug Bergram is back with us, Sir. 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: How are you, Sean with you? 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, to the extent that you can explain America's 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: energy position. I just think it's important for Americans to know. 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I know, people get upset. You know the Iranian conflict. 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, every single person that I spoke to in 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: the know that would have access to intelligence that I 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: don't have access to, will only tell me one thing. 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: When it came to Midnight Hammer, epic fury and preventing 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Iran from becoming in nuclear power, the president had no choice. 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: They use almost the same verbiage. So, knowing that the 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: President has been clear about that, he took action no 36 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: other president would before him, the world is a safer place, 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: but there's been an impact on oil markets. Explain America's 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: situation and explain it versus the world markets. 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Sean, you're absolutely right President Trump 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: having the courage and the leadership, because think of Iran. 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: You know, there's ninety million people in Iran that are 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: being held hostage by this you know, Roague regime, which 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: is essentially a terrorist group now running the country. A 44 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: terrorist group with a nuclear weapon can hold the whole 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: world hostage, not just the straight of horror moves. And 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: you know President Trump, you know, said recently, he said, 47 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: you know what you call a terrorist group with a 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon, you call them sir, like, where do you 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: want the money delivered? Sir? I mean, I mean, it's 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: just a brilliant short insight into what would happen. So, 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: Cousident Trump essentially stopped World War III, stopped nuclear proliferation 52 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: by stopping the Iranians from the Iranian regime in a 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: nuclear and a terrorist group from having a nuclear weapon. 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: How is he able to do that? Well, he's able 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: to do with our military. But he's also able to 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: do it because the day that he took office, he 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: declared an energy emergency and said, look, we've got to 58 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: go one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of the Biden 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: administration on energy. The Biden administration had a export ban 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: on LNG liquid natural gas. Russia would have been supplying 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: funding they were funding their war with sales of LNG, 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, into Europe. Now we've displaced two thirds of that. 63 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: The United States has become the largest export of LLERG 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: in the world. Where the largest producer of oil in 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: the world. We have the most secure and the lowest 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: priced energy in the world. And again thanks to President Trump, 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: energy dominance means affordability, prosperity at home, it means piece abroad. 68 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: It means that we have enough energy for ourselves and 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: to sell to our friends and allies so they can 70 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: stop buying from people like Russia or like Iran. Rand 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: the funding twenty four terror groups that you know, they're 72 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: they're running out of payroll money now that they've been 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: cut off. So President Trump, you know one two punch, 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: you know is energy dominance. Lead with that and then 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: take the military action. And then you throw in Venezuela 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: and where we took a sanctioned adversary turned them into 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: a strategic ally in forty four minutes, again thanks to 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: his courage as commander in chief and are brilliant and 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: brave military, and all of that Venezuelan oil flowing to 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: the Gulf of America refineries, again helping keep prices down 81 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: here at home and shifting the geopolitics of energy from 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: the Middle East to the Western hemisphere. This is going 83 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: to be just a generational change. President Trump is going 84 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: to go down in history for really having reshaped the 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: economy and the security of the whole world. And he's 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: just done it just in eighteen months. 87 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: Mister secretary, you brought up a very key point, and 88 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: I meant it. I was going to get to it, 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: and that is if we look at the world oil reserves. 90 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: Number one in the world is Venezuela. Number two would 91 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: be the USA. Now, with this newly established relationship with 92 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: Venezuela and the refineries that they need within the United 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: States to keep the free flow of oil out of 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: their country, we now have the ability to be energy dominant, 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: self sufficient, and can help other countries, even allied countries, 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: even Western Europe for example, with liquefied natural gas. My 97 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: question is this, why is it with that scenario, why 98 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: are American prices impacted by world markets? Is it just 99 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: a factor of how the system is designed. 100 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: Well, it is a factor that global prices are set 101 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: by global supplying demand, not local supply and demand, and 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: so we are influenced by it. But for the most part, 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, we're insulated here the WDI price is in, 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: which is West Texas Intermediate is often ten percent or 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: fifteen percent below what the global price is. So we're 106 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: already benefit for that. But we do have some exceptions. 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: I mean California crazily when we could supply all the 108 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: oil and all the gas that they need. California, at 109 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: the time of this recent conflict with that began in February, 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: was importing over sixty percent of their oil and refined 111 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: products from overseas, and so California was. 112 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: The one state. 113 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: I'll exclude Hawaii because they're an island in the middle 114 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: of the Pacific, but California was dependent on straighta Harmu's imports. 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: The number one import coming into California is from Iraq, 116 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: which all their oil has got to come through the Strait. 117 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: So the policies there where they used to have thirty 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: eight refineries and now they're down to they were eight 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: and seven and six it self inflicted policies that are 120 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: driving the prices up in some of the states, with 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: then of course kept big states by California New York, 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: which have European style energy fantasy policies are driving up 123 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: the average price that's reported across the whole country. But 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: if you go, if you want to save money on 125 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: gas at the tank, I mean a tip. I mean 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: the recent study that we just did was if you 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: fill up your tank and a state that's controlled by 128 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: i'll call him a red state legislature or state legislature, 129 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: if you fill up there versus the blue state legislative state, 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: you're paying fifty cents less a gallon today because the policies, 131 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: so policies are driving places up. President Trump's policies are 132 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: driving prices down. 133 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of amazing. And you know, I'm 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: not fond of Gavin Newsom. I know he thinks any 135 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: dreams he's going to be president. That New Hampshire poll 136 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: last week did not bode well for him. AOC leading 137 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: the pack pothole pete number two and he's down in 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: the single digits with Kamala Harris and a few other people. 139 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: And yet they have the highest gas prices, highest income taxes, 140 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: highest sales taxes, highest poverty rate, and the highest homelessness rate. 141 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: They chased out because they have on the referendum, as 142 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: I know, you know this November a referendum for a 143 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: wealth tax and Mark Zuckerberg's gone. Two of the co 144 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: founders of Google are gone. We now know Elon Musk 145 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: now lives in Texas, and the others have moved to 146 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: the Free State of Florida. They're just leaving. You know, 147 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: New York lost eleven billion dollars just last year alone. 148 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: California is losing money every single year. I mean, what 149 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: would it mean to California if they just adopted the 150 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: same energy dominance policy is on the state level that 151 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: the President and you have adopted on the national federal level. 152 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: Well, for starters, I'm sure they could drop the price 153 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: of gasoline by over a dollar immediately, because there's been times, 154 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: even during the Biden administration, where the lowest prices in 155 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: California were higher than the highest places in any of 156 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: the other lower forty eight states. So, again, self inflicted. 157 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: You mentioned a number of things that they're the California 158 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: has got the highest end. I'll tell you one thing 159 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: they are leading in is they are leading the nation 160 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: and out migration. As you said, I mean, they're making 161 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: the place unaffordable to live, and Silicon Valley is picking 162 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: up and leaving. The can move and Hollywood may still 163 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: be you know, they may still have their awards. There 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: may in LA, but nobody's making movies in California anymore, 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: so they're coming off. You know. Two of their mainstay 166 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: industry is in agriculture, is a big part of California. 167 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: These high prices of energy are really hard on farmers 168 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: and ranchers. And they used to be an oil producing state. 169 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: They were the Kuwait of the jazz Age, as one 170 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: writer cleverly said, because back in the nineteen twenties they 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: were one of the largest oil producers in the world. 172 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: In recent history, they've been the number two or number 173 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: three oil producing state in the nation, and now they 174 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: produce one tenth of what it gets produced out of 175 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: my home state at North Dakota. They've killed off the 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: oil and gas industry to save the planet, supposedly, and 177 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: in the process just inflicting economic pain on their own 178 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: citizens and really not doing anything for the environment. Because 179 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: the US produces energy cleaner, safe, or smarter than anywhere 180 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: else in the world. Anytime we shut down a mine 181 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: or shut down oil and gas production in our US 182 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: and you ship it overseas, that's bad for the environment, 183 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: bad for American tax payers, bad for affordability, bad for 184 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: our economy. There is a false it's a false trade 185 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: off and maybe chasing it for decades, and under President Trump, 186 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: that's going to end. 187 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you took this position. I don't think 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: there's anybody more qualified than you to be in this position. 189 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: And as always, Doug Bergram, we appreciate your time, your 190 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: hard work and letting people know the facts, the truth 191 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: that so many people don't know about. Thank you, sir 192 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: for being with us. We really appreciate you being here today. 193 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Let's get to Derek. Hit our phones eight one hundred 194 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: nine point one show on our number. Derek's in Colorado. Derek, 195 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to our nation's capital, the Swamp. What's going on? 196 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: Hey, Thanks Sean, it's nice to talk with you. It 197 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: was just listening to you on Friday and thinking about 198 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 4: what you were talking with potential you know, governor, hopefully 199 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: Republican governor in New York. And I'm from New York, 200 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: originally lived in Florida as well, and I just wanted 201 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: to point out you were talking about schools in New York. 202 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: You know, back when I was going to school to 203 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 4: be a teacher, New York had the best school system, 204 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: the best teacher preparation in the country under the conservative 205 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: leadership of George Bataki, and you know, and when New 206 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: York shifted away from the conservative leadership, the education shifted. 207 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: And then in Florida at the same time, we had 208 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: Jeff Bush who was taking over and making changes, and 209 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: that education has remained under you know, conservative values. And 210 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 4: as you look at that, you know they have slopped places. 211 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: Florida is now one of the best. New York is 212 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: one of the worst. And the only thing that we 213 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: have in common is either the absence of conservative leadership 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: or the conservative leadership. So if people in New York 215 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: want better for their children, then it's probably time to 216 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: start voting for better for their children. Now just just 217 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: my observation, this. 218 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Is my observation. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it even 219 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: a step further. Bruce Blakeman would save the state of 220 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: New York just just by by changing their energy policies alone. 221 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: We're just talking to Doug Bergram. There's more liquefied natural gas. 222 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: By the way, ask the state of Pennsylvania aslanda state 223 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: that they there is literally billions of dollars available in 224 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: New York that would solve, probably over just a short 225 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: period of time, all of their financial problems, and it 226 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: would lower their taxes, and it would prevent the mass migration. 227 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: It would do a lot of things, and unfortunately it's 228 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: never gonna happen. And this may be New York's last shot. 229 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: You better elect Bruce Blakeman or forget it. And the 230 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: same goes out in California. You better elect our good 231 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: friend Steve hild or forget it. I don't see in 232 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: the future anything other than more people leaving, and there's 233 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: no incentive for people to stay. And it's sad because 234 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends in New York and 235 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: I don't want to see them suffer anymore. I'll tell 236 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: you what their future is. It's going to be a 237 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: wealth tax. There's going to be an exit tax. What's 238 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: an exit tax? And now on top of raising the 239 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: death tax, which already is very high in New York, 240 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: And if mom Donnie has his way, that one hundred 241 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: percent of your net worth is going to be taxed 242 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: again money you've already been taxed before. So I'm just 243 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: telling you all of this. An exit tax would result, 244 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and you move to another state. They still want a 245 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: piece of your income taxes. And trust me, if you 246 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: think it can't happen, you're wrong. That's how crazy is 247 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: I've been pointing out and I'll do more on this 248 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: in the next hour. How crazy these left wing radical 249 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: you know DSA members really they're communists? Are they're outright 250 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: saying it? Maybe it's for worth going back and playing 251 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: it again in the next hour. You know this co 252 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: chair of the DSA on with Shannon Bream this weekend. 253 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: It should shock the conscience and awaken every American that 254 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: believes in the American dream, that believes that America should 255 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: be a free country, that believes in the cause of 256 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: liberty and freedom, that believes that, you know, every human 257 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: being got talent from God, and that talent comes out 258 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: through being nourished through good education and good parenthood and 259 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: finding your God given talents. It has led to the 260 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: greatest wealth creation in the history of mankind. And they 261 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: will destroy all of it. Why because they want the power. 262 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: All Right, We're in our nation's capital, Loves round up 263 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: information below our next as we continue from the swamps. 264 00:14:49,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Straight ahead, Sean Hannity, always concerned for our country, always 265 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: honoring our servicemen and service women and standing up for 266 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: liberty every day at twenty five now till the top 267 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: of the hour, eight hundred and ninety four one Shawn 268 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: our number. If you want to be a part of 269 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: the program. You know Ronald Reagan once said, implation is 270 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: as violent as a mugger, as frightening as an arm robber, 271 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: as deadly as a hit man. Wise words from Reagan, 272 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: we should usually listen. So all right, with inflation and 273 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: the economy and uncertainty, what does it mean for you, your 274 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: retirement savings, the quality of life you would like in 275 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: your retirement. Now you can learn something that I learned 276 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: when I was first able to save money. It was 277 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: in my mid to late twenties and somebody told me, sad, 278 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: just put a percentage of your savings in gold and silver. 279 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I've done it ever since. Now. The company that I 280 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: do business with, that I buy from is gold Co. 281 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: And you know they like people to be informed, and 282 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: they will rush you a free gold and silver guide. 283 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: A great kid is filled with critical information. Always do 284 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: your due diligence, and anyway I have found them nothing 285 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: but a pleasure to deal with. And then see if 286 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: you qualify for an extra ten percent of bonus gold 287 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: or silver just for getting started. Now it's a great deal. 288 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: Go to gold code. You can give him a call 289 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: now it's eight five five eight one five gold eight 290 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: five five eight one five gold two day. Now. Want 291 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: to get to the issue of artificial intelligence. And maybe 292 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: you're thinking, Ah, why are you talking about artificial intelligence? Well, 293 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Elon Musk arguably one of the smartest guys in the world. 294 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: You can't deny it. Look what he's working on. Look 295 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: what he did with Tesla, Look what he's doing with robots. 296 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: Look what he's doing with neulink. You just can't. You 297 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: can't deny it. I use GROC every single day. I 298 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: use artificial intelligence every single day. I urge all of you. 299 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: If you're not using it, I don't care what your 300 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: age is. I believe in lifelong learning. You can learn 301 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: to do it very quickly and you'll be amazed at 302 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: what it can do, he said. Whether people like it 303 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: or not, it is clear there's no stopping the AI 304 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: freight train now barreling towards some kind of final destination. 305 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: The data centers are being built, automation is ready, and 306 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: it's nibbling away at jobs and governments and so on 307 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: and so forth. Big change is coming now for a 308 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: lot of people that the debate is ongoing, and you've 309 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: got optimists and you've got pessimists, and then you've got 310 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: people that I trust and believe in that I think 311 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: no more than the average person. But the only thing 312 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: that I can tell you is it's not the future. 313 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: Because the future is happening right now, even if you're 314 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: not involved in it yet. That's why I'm urging all 315 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: of you to get involved in it. And you know 316 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: Elon said in this interview, he said, the future is 317 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: going to be very, very different from the past. There's 318 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: no analogy, says, there's no metaphor that will illustrate the 319 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: magnitude of change that we are going to experience here. 320 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: He's speaking to the economists first sit down interviews since 321 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: SpaceX is you know, IPO the world's first trillionaire. He 322 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: believes that within just a few years, AI will exceed 323 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: human intelligence, that there could be as many as one 324 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: billion humanoid robots. We know Tesla has been holding out robots. 325 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: I watch every new iteration, every generation that comes out 326 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: every year. It is more impressive every year it is. 327 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: You will have most of Americans like the model T 328 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: You will have a robot that will cut your lawn, 329 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: cleaner dishes, you know, vacuum your floors, and do mundane 330 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: tasks that you do on an everyday basis. He believes 331 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: that it will exceed all of this, and he said 332 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: there really won't be anything that AI won't be able 333 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: to do better than humans apart from being human. He says, 334 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: I think AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence 335 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: in around five years. The most likely outcome is an 336 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: age of amazing abundance where anyone can have anything that 337 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: you can think of. He said, this may sound preposterous 338 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: to many people. He said, there are things that might 339 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: derail it, like a massive global thermo nuclear war. He's 340 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: not wrong about that, but assuming is not World War three, 341 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: he thinks we're headed for an age of amazing abundance. 342 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: And then he even took it a step further. No, 343 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: I'm not taking this advice. I'm always a believer, you know, 344 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: be the master of your own destiny. But he said, 345 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: I would predict the economies probably twice its current size 346 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: in about five maybe six years, because you're going to 347 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: hit a doubling period where the economic output is increasing 348 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: so fast. He told that to Forbes in May. He said, 349 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, he also previously declared that savings for retirement 350 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: is now pointless. That's where I'm parting ways. You know what, 351 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Be the master of your own destiny. Keep saving, keep 352 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: putting money away, planning to be independent, he said. But 353 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: don't worry about scrolling money away for retirement. In like 354 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: ten or twenty years, he says, it's not going to matter. 355 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: You won't need to save for retirement. If any of 356 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: the things that we've said are true, saving for retirement, 357 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: he says, he believes, will become irrelevant. Now, these are 358 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: profound statements. They're not made by a dumb person, and 359 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: you got to pay attention when smart people talk. Whether 360 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: you agree or disagree, do your own due diligence. I'm 361 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: not telling you what to do. I'm urging you to 362 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: be independent and embrace freedom. Open ai is now saying 363 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: AI technology acted on its own in an unprecedented hack 364 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: of another company. Let me place Sam Altman talking about 365 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: open AI and the security risks. 366 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: We are soon heading into a world where a lot 367 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 5: of the AI safety problems that people have traditionally talked 368 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: about are going to be recast as AI security problems 369 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: in different ways. I also think that given how capable 370 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 5: of these models aren't getting, if we want to be 371 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 5: able to deploy them for wide use, the security problems 372 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 5: are going to get really big. You mentioned many areas 373 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 5: that I think are super important to figure out average 374 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: robustness in particular, seems like it's getting quite serious. One 375 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 5: more that I will mention that you touched on a 376 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 5: little bit, but just it's been on my mind a lot. 377 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: There's two things that people really love right now that, 378 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 5: taken together, are a real security challenge. Number One, people 379 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 5: love how personalized these models are getting. So chatjibt now 380 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 5: really gets to know you, what personalizes over your conversational 381 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: history or data you've connected to it, whatever else. And 382 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 5: then number two is you can connect these models to 383 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 5: other services. They can go off and like call things 384 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 5: on the web and you know, do stuff for you. 385 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 4: That's helpful. 386 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: But what you really don't want is someone to be 387 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: able to exultrate data from your personal model that that 388 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: knows everything about you and you know, humans you can 389 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: kind of trust to be reasonable at this. If you 390 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 5: tell your spouse a bunch of secrets, you can sort 391 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 5: of trust that they will know and what contacts what 392 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 5: to tell to other people. The models don't really do 393 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 5: this very well yet. 394 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 6: All right. 395 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: Joining us now to weigh in is Nate Stories is 396 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: with us, the president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute 397 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: see m IRI, I the world's leading AI safety research 398 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: organ to say, ex engineer for Google, Microsoft smart guy. 399 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: For the past two decades, he's been researching the catastrophic 400 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: risk of AI and the challenge for making it behave 401 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: as intended. He's also the best best selling author of 402 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: The New York Times. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. 403 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: Why superhuman AI would kill us? All? That's a scary scenario. Anyway, Nate, 404 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. You're a lot smarter than 405 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: I am. I like to listen to smart people different perspectives. 406 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: What's your take? 407 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 6: You know, I think we didn't really bury the lead 408 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 6: with the book title. 409 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: By the way, you were very subtle in that book title. 410 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, you gotta sometimes you got to 411 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: lay it out for people and let them make the 412 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 6: last steps on their own. But yeah, it's like you said, 413 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 6: we've seen an unprecedented cyber attack from open AI. Where 414 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 6: AI is that they were giving a test to broke 415 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 6: out of the testing environment and hacked a separate company 416 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: on their own initiative. That is sort of a warning 417 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: sign about how we don't know how to make these 418 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 6: ais care about us. You know, you spoke about Elon 419 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 6: Musk saying we could have an age of abundance. We 420 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 6: certainly could if we knew what we were doing with 421 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 6: this AI technology. But even Elon said he thinks that 422 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 6: there's a twenty percent chance that this kills us all completely. 423 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 6: I think that that number is a bit low, because 424 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 6: I think that we're rushing into this recklessly, as evidenced 425 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 6: by cases like these ais breaking out of open AI 426 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 6: and running their own cyber attack, and those eyes we're 427 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 6: running around for a week before opening I even noticed, 428 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: what is. 429 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: Your advice to say the average person, Like a year 430 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: or two ago, I was not immersed in AI. There's 431 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: not a day that goes by that I don't use 432 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: it anymore. I use it to research everything. But for 433 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: people that have been reluctant resistant that really don't understand, 434 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: it's not the future, it's the present moment, and it's 435 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: only going to get more deep, more profound, and it 436 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: will intrude in more people's lives than I think people 437 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: imagine it's intruding in ways they don't even know. Now, 438 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: what is your message to them? 439 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 6: That's right. I would say that there's two messages because 440 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 6: there's sort of two different parts of AI to look at. 441 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 6: There's one part to look at where the AI is today, 442 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 6: and these ais are going to keep on, like you said, 443 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 6: they're going to keep on getting more involved in our lives. 444 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 6: I think it's good to at least use them enough 445 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 6: to know what they can do. I see a lot 446 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 6: of people saying, oh, AI will never be able to 447 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 6: solve this problem or think in that way, when that 448 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 6: was true three years ago, but it's already false today, 449 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 6: and so it's important to understand where the tech is. 450 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 6: It's only going to become more integrated to our lives. 451 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 6: And that's sort of one issue about where the AIS 452 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 6: are today, the sort of chatbots that we're seeing today. 453 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 6: Then there's this separate issue, which is the company is 454 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 6: racing to make these smarter and smarter AIS, and we're 455 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 6: already seeing that they don't have the ability to make 456 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 6: those ais care about us, to make those ais do 457 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 6: what they want. The AI that broke out of Open 458 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 6: AI's secure enclosure. Those Ais surely knew that they were 459 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 6: not supposed to do this. They could have answered that 460 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 6: question that they were not supposed to do this. We've 461 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 6: also seen cases of you know, wrongful death lawsuits where 462 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 6: open Ais ais will encourage somebody to commit suicide. And 463 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 6: that's again a case where the Ais know they're not 464 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 6: supposed to do this, and the reasons why they do 465 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 6: it are somewhat complicated. It's this is a result of 466 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 6: how we train them. But we can't. We can't make 467 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 6: these Ais act just as we want. We can't make 468 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 6: them care about us. 469 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 2: Uh. 470 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 6: And that matters with whether we keep making smarter and 471 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 6: more powerful Ais that don't care about us. Those Ais 472 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 6: don't exist yet. And my advice to everyday people is 473 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 6: that we all need to not race into that because 474 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 6: you know that the Ais today are a separate issue 475 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 6: from the Ais of tomorrow that could be much more dangerous, 476 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 6: and somehow we need to all not rush off that cliff. 477 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: All right, quick break, We'll come back more with Nate 478 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: stories on the other side. It's eight hundred ninety four 479 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: one Shawn a number. Also, Doug Berger will join us 480 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: coming up straight ahead as well. As we continue, we're 481 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: in our nation's capital, We're in DC, and we'll get 482 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: to your calls coming up. Eight hundred and nine Shawn 483 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: straight ahead. 484 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: The final Hour roundup is next. You do not want 485 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: to miss it, and stay tuned for the final hour 486 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: Free for all on the Sean Hannity Show. 487 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: All right, we continue now about the incredible and the 488 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: dramatic changes that are happening in the now, not the future, 489 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: as relates to AI. Nate Stories is with us, the 490 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, also New York 491 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Times bestseller. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. Why superhuman 492 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: AI would kill us all pretty chilling thought. So tell 493 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: me what you do with this individually. I mean, you've 494 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: obviously studied this. It's become your life's mission in many ways, 495 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: as defined by your number one New York Times bestselling book. 496 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: You're more on the pessimistic side. Do you see an 497 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: optimistic side? For example, if you look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 498 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, from that moment forward the world changed. And 499 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: then there was always a fear. You know, member kids 500 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: in the fifties, would you know, have to go under 501 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: their desk for you know, God forbid a nuclear war 502 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: would breakout, not that it would do them any good 503 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: I think under their desk. However, there's a lot of 504 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: fear associated with this lot an opportunity, I guess with 505 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: everything because of human nature, the propensity to do good 506 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: and the propensity for evil. I mean, but then you 507 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: have this whole other component which this thing can act 508 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: on its own even if you don't want it to, 509 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: which is a little scary. 510 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, you know, I think it's definitely a tricky situation. 511 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 6: I would say that my book title starts with if 512 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 6: my book title, you know, I'm not here saying that 513 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 6: AI will end us. I'm here saying that this is 514 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 6: a dangerous technology and sort of just like nuclear weapons. 515 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 6: A lot of people feared the nuclear apocalypse, and it 516 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 6: didn't happen, at least it hasn't happened yet. And the 517 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 6: reason it didn't happen is not that nukes turned out 518 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 6: to be fake. It's not that they were all hype. 519 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 6: A nuclear bomb really can level a city. But what 520 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 6: happened is the world said, hey, we're not going to 521 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 6: go there, We're not going to race towards arms proliferation, 522 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 6: We're not going to use these weapons. In war, even 523 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 6: though they would be very decisive in war. And that 524 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 6: doesn't mean giving up on the nuclear technology completely. We 525 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 6: still have power plants. We have the versions that we 526 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 6: know how to keep safe, and the versions that we 527 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 6: fully understand that are not these sort of runaway explosive devices. 528 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 6: We could do something similar with AI, where we keep 529 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 6: a lot of AI. We keep AI for medical technology, 530 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 6: we keep AI for useful ways of improving the economy. 531 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 6: We could even keep AI in weapons. I'm not saying 532 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 6: we shouldn't use this militarily or that we should fall 533 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 6: behind other countries. And you know, it's probably good to 534 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 6: have robots on the front line instead of human souls 535 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 6: in the front line. But we can do all that 536 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 6: while not racing to the brink on these super intelligent 537 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 6: machines that don't do what we say and don't care 538 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 6: about us. Those are sort of two different battles, and 539 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 6: so you know, we we can we can do this 540 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 6: just like we did with nuclear and try and keep 541 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 6: all the good stuff while avoiding this sort of death 542 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 6: race off a cliff. 543 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: So what is the extent to which you you know, 544 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: is this now your your purpose and is this your 545 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: passion in life? Is this your full time vocation in life. 546 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 6: I mean, it's definitely my vocation in the sense that 547 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 6: you know, I wrote a book on it. I spent 548 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 6: over ten years sort of trying to research on the 549 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 6: technical side, how do we make gais that care about us? 550 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 6: There's a lot of you know, interesting mathematical and computer 551 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 6: science problems which I sort of worked on for a while. 552 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 6: Ten years ago, it looked like we had a lot 553 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 6: more time in AI. Ten years ago, people said it 554 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 6: would take fifty, if not five hundred years to get 555 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 6: to the point we are today. And so you know, 556 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 6: I was on the team that was trying to sort 557 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 6: this out before we ran out of time, and now 558 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 6: it looks like we're running out of time. And so 559 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 6: I'm doing my best to war in the world here. 560 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 6: And it's what I'm doing right now. It's not really 561 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 6: what I hope to be doing. I sort of prefer 562 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 6: to be behind a whiteboard or working on technical problems 563 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 6: rather than talking two millions no offense. But the world 564 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 6: seems to need it right now, and so we need 565 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 6: the message and I'm doing my best to alert people 566 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 6: to the danger. 567 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, we really appreciate you being with us Sorriies. Thank 568 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: you for being with us. We really appreciate it, Nate, 569 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: and we'll have you back as time goes on. Because 570 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: this is a topic everyone's going to have to pay 571 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: attention to