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Speaker 1: don't want to say their name. Their family love sports.

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Speaker 1: They used to play sports. The parents used to play sports.

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Speaker 1: So for them to spend every weekend going to sports

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Speaker 1: kids in sports. Yeah, you can do both. Who can

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Speaker 1: sports and outdoor activities? I can't. Well, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: He a young individual, lots outdoor activities and great podcast incompatible.

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Speaker 1: Here's the main thing. I have a certain bag here.

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Speaker 1: sports figure, Michael Jordan's. Uh, Michael Jordan comes over to

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Speaker 1: He's like, no, I wanted to shoot some hoops the kids. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't understand that Michael Jordan's actually just a degenerate gambler.

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Speaker 1: at Man, I watched that whole movie. Listen, I watched it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I know a lot about this. I came

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Speaker 1: Did none of that. You didn't come away thinking he

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Speaker 1: was an asshole. None of that bad stuff resonated with me.

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Speaker 1: None of that bad stuff resonated with me. Last dance. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like all that. I like all that. Playing for

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Speaker 1: keeps like, I like all that all. I liked all

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Speaker 1: was all free content for everyone for you six No,

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Speaker 1: that was free. No, I think we should publish that

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Speaker 1: gave you nothing free. Be great. If we could have

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Speaker 1: I'm just not wasting on my weekends on that kind

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna do to really make my point,

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Speaker 1: Did you know that I was helping him coach my

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Speaker 1: girls basketball team the last two months? Yeah? But let

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Speaker 1: do until they're dead. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: of like foe hunt them, like to kind of like

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Speaker 1: have a pretend hunt. It's like it's like I see

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Speaker 1: what I did for hunters kind of thing, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: But I like I'd like to clarify, like this isn't fish,

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Speaker 1: wildlife and parks that like a lot of people like

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Speaker 1: to drag their state game agencies through the mud for

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Speaker 1: doing ship they don't agree with. This is not that.

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Speaker 1: This is a bill that's being proposed that that f

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Speaker 1: w P would then have to follow through on if

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Speaker 1: it if it passes, and there was a comment period

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Speaker 1: that's closed and now it's whatever. Yeah, yeah, so we'll

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Speaker 1: find out hopefully. Okay, moving on a little news from

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Speaker 1: New Mexico. This is good news from New Mexico. This

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Speaker 1: has been a thing that's going on for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Has to do a stream axis. So as we all know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of states whatever imagine you're on a river.

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Speaker 1: Take a big river where it's true everywhere. May iagine

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Speaker 1: you're floating down the Mississippi River. Right as you're floating

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Speaker 1: down the Mississippi River, you are not expecting that someone

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Speaker 1: would run out of their house and come say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're on my land. You'd say, oh, no, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the river. Okay. That's like an extreme version because we all,

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Speaker 1: of course, everyone knows you can float down the Mississippi

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Speaker 1: River without needing to get permission from someone. But in

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Speaker 1: some states, as rivers get smaller and smaller and smaller,

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Speaker 1: you get to a point where you cannot float down

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Speaker 1: the river or walk along the river or whatever in

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Speaker 1: the water without securing permission from the landowner. Inevitably you

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00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: will have landowners who don't like looking out their window

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Speaker 1: and seeing some scruffy whatever, or a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: on a floating trip, drink a beer, whatever, fishing. They

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00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: don't want to see it. They're like, how can I

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Speaker 1: own the banks? But some dirt bag can float down

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Speaker 1: through my property? And so they will always seek ways

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Speaker 1: to reduce your stream access and to argue that Unlike

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Speaker 1: the Mississippi River, where there's like interstate commerce happening. This

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: isn't a commerce river. I don't want people just recreating

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Speaker 1: in front of my house. I want them out of here. Um.

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Speaker 1: In New Mexico, there had always been an understood stream

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Speaker 1: access rule walk in below the high water be like

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Speaker 1: you stay below the high water mark, you can fish,

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Speaker 1: float whatever. It's always been understood, but it hadn't been

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Speaker 1: like popular pop properly codified into law. Now we've had

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Speaker 1: Senator Martin Heinrich from New Mexico on this show to

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Speaker 1: talk about this this issue. It's like it's sort of

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Speaker 1: in the spirit of the law in New Mexico. It's

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Speaker 1: always been understood to be true, but certain well healed

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Speaker 1: landowners have been pushing to narrow those definitions and lock

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Speaker 1: up more streams than rivers as private property for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Just the other day, New Mexico's Supreme Court ruled that

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Speaker 1: the states listen to what I'm gonna stay carefully. New

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Speaker 1: Mexico Supreme Court ruled that the state's game commissioned decision

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Speaker 1: allowing landowners to restrict access to water that flows through

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Speaker 1: their property is unconstitutional. Shut that's a clock. That's a

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Speaker 1: hard sentence to follow. The Game Commission to come out

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Speaker 1: and said, yes, if a landowner wants to challenge stream

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Speaker 1: access on their own private stream and make it their

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Speaker 1: own private little deal, no one can float through their fish.

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Speaker 1: They can push for that with the state. They can

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Speaker 1: go to the state and ask for that exemption. The

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court came in and just nipped that whole conversation

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Speaker 1: in the bud. They're like, your decision to let people

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Speaker 1: argue that is unconstitutional. So dreams where you're hanging out

483
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: right now, floating, kayaking, canoeing, rafting, waiting in the water. Um,

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00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: there's been a block in the road for people looking

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Speaker 1: to ah cut you off of that and and restrict

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Speaker 1: access to places you've traditionally enjoyed it. So now, Brodie,

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: it's like Montana just but I think that had been

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Speaker 1: they were trying to find a path to make it,

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Speaker 1: not that they're trying to like this should just seal

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Speaker 1: the deal for a while. Yeah, and the same thing

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00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: had been true. I don't don't want get too like

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Speaker 1: Montana centric people, but it's a great it's a great

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Speaker 1: case point. Years ago it had been understood in Montana

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Speaker 1: and some people were tolling with undoing it. It comes

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00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: up every so often, and some people like very deliberate.

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Speaker 1: There's a great story about this because some people you

497
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: know now and then you'll like push something in order

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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: to like push it to get to the courts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: When they tested it in Montana, instead of having Fisherman,

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Speaker 1: they had I think it was like they had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of girls from a high school go float down

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Speaker 1: a river in tubes through a landowner that kept trying

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Speaker 1: to get people sited for floating down what he argued

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Speaker 1: was a private stream, and everybody would float the stream

505
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: all the time. So like we're not gonna take it

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: to court with Fisherman're gonna take it to court with

507
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: like high school girls. The girls getting their tubes float through,

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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: the guy calls cops, Cops give him a citation, It

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Speaker 1: goes to and it comes out codified and law that

510
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Speaker 1: like it was codified, like as everybody understood it to

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Speaker 1: be true. They just wanted to like push it to

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Speaker 1: a point where it was tested in the courts. As

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Speaker 1: Senator Heindrich explained, it's widely understood in New Mexico that

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Speaker 1: we have open stream access, but there are people always

515
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Speaker 1: like dicking around, Well maybe we can try this, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can try that. When you look at this stuff,

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Speaker 1: it always comes from a be Like a wealthy person

518
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: buys land, they buy a luxury property, they buy some

519
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: old ranch, and the first thing on their mind is

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00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: getting rid of the assholes who come flow. It's always

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00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, I've got I've got a well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I got We've got a buddy who sells large, kind

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Speaker 1: of large ranches. And uh, those real estate agents very

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Speaker 1: much against stream access because you know, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: easier to sell a ranch if you can say three

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Speaker 1: miles of Trout River. It sells a hell of a

527
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: lot better. Um. Back to the Montana desk, we reported

528
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Speaker 1: about how Governor Genforte in Montana recently got in trouble.

529
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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny story. I'll relay the story, even

530
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: though we recovered it already. One day someone hands me

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Speaker 1: I find a headline that says Montana's governor kills a

532
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Speaker 1: yellow Stone wolf, and I think to myself, wow, um,

533
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Speaker 1: that is extremely surprising that our state's governor went and

534
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Speaker 1: a Yellowstone National Park and shot a wolf. Like you'd

535
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: think he'd know better. But you read the article and

536
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: in fact he didn't. It was on a ranch, it

537
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: was on private property. Why was it Yelsa wolf, Because

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00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: it's safe to assume that in that wolve's life it

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: had been on the park. And there there's a contingent

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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: of Americans and their significant to like to think that

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Speaker 1: anything that spends some part of its life in mynd

542
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: in Yelsa National Park becomes yellow Stones X, and therefore

543
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: we should enjoy this sort of like de facto protection

544
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: no matter where it goes, like it carries with it

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00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: this sort of like this specific blessing and should be

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Speaker 1: preserved forever. So Montana's Governor Greg Jane four to in

547
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the news again. This time again he's made, uh what

548
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: would appear to be a horrible mistake. Yani has the

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Speaker 1: headline pulled up. Here's a headline. It's from the Climate

550
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and Environment Desk, oddly Washington Post Washington Posts Climate and

551
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: Environment Desk. The headline is hounds chased a Yellowstone National

552
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Park mountain lion into a tree. Then Montana Governor Greg

553
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: Ganforte shot it. Except not he was hunting on national

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Speaker 1: forest land, not in the park. It's like except not

555
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: the like I I don't like to say it, because

556
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: it became such thing like the fake news ship. It's like,

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00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like I'm not I don't run around the

558
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: fake news fake news, but you have to have some

559
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: sympathy for people who run around being fake news fake

560
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: news because it's just not true. It's not true at all.

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00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: It's like, how can you say that? Yeah, listen, and

562
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Speaker 1: I am one that usually will air on the side

563
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: of a liberal news source, and I will personally trust

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: it more. Yeah, and and people like this, I'm not

565
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna call this guy out by his name.

566
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: You can go find out who wrote it. But it's

567
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: just like, man, like you're eroting my trust in like

568
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: what I figured it should be, like good journalism from

569
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: like you know, the um key journalistic entities of our country,

570
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: and yet here he is just like like I when

571
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: I ask the guy, I wish he would come on

572
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: the podcast and just be like, why did you write this?

573
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: What was your goal here? Why did you word it

574
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: the way you worded it? But yeah, well that's the beginning.

575
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Speaker 1: But then the rest of it is like what's the

576
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: outcome of your article? Like what like are you just

577
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Speaker 1: an anti hunter or you just an anti Greg? There's

578
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Speaker 1: also so much that's loaded into that hounds chase cat

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Speaker 1: up tree as though that doesn't happen as part of

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00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: cat hunting or using houndste there's this you mean it,

581
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: there's this strong situation that something naughty was going on,

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Speaker 1: and then it goes on to talk about how rare.

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Speaker 1: Then they do a disservice by time, like they get

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Speaker 1: like park officials to talk about how rare mountain lion

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Speaker 1: sighting is. There are a lot of things that are

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Speaker 1: i u c N species of least concern, like globally

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00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: categorized by a global Wildlife organization as a species of

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00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: least concern that you don't lay eyes on because of

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00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: myriad reasons. How many martins do you see? Most people

590
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Speaker 1: will go their entire life and never lay eyes on

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Speaker 1: the martin. Why because they're out at night and they're secretive.

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Speaker 1: They don't even know they exist i u c N

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Speaker 1: species of least concerned. But the whole like the condemning

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Speaker 1: part about this article is that these these jokers from

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Speaker 1: the park don't see that many lions. Tell them what

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00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: you heard from actual park biologist Yohni. Why might they

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00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: not be seeing a lot of lions in the park. Well,

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00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: it wasn't from park biologists. It was from hound handlers

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00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: that helped park biologists that are helping right now with

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Speaker 1: the probably the study that is they're talking about in

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00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: this article right they've got collared mountain lions and these

602
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: hound handlers help them catch collar recatch when the collars

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Speaker 1: go down, etcetera, etcetera. So they're a big part of

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Speaker 1: this study. But and you can read about this in

605
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: a wonderful article that was written on the meter UH

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Speaker 1: website by Jordan Stiller's titled study show mounta Lions have

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00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: Unexpected predator where they're basically showing saying that like mount

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Speaker 1: lion numbers have dropped by half and like the last

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Speaker 1: ten years in the park because wolves not only do

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Speaker 1: they kill in um, they don't think they kill them

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Speaker 1: to eat them, but they just kill them because they're

612
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: like competition mountain lion kittens. But that because they're um

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Speaker 1: displacing the elk out of where they used to be,

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Speaker 1: where they accessible by mountain lions being like more in

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00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: the mountains in forested areas, pushing them out into more

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Speaker 1: open areas where cats do not like to spend time

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00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: and and don't go um that the cats are having

618
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: a much harder time, you know, finding and and and

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Speaker 1: then killing their prey. Um. On top of that, the

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00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: wolves steal the kills that they made, so they're getting

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Speaker 1: hit like three ways. They're getting at, their foods, getting displaced,

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Speaker 1: and their food is getting stolen exactly by the wolves,

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Speaker 1: which leads me to believe I want to clarify to like,

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Speaker 1: just like is your point out? I want to clarify too.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with everything that our governor does. I

626
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Speaker 1: don't think this has anything to do with that. It's

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00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: just a way that stuff gets reported. That's maddening to me.

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Speaker 1: And it's like again and again and again. But you

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Speaker 1: take this thing with like how mountain lion numbers have

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Speaker 1: gone down as wolves. I'm not and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I support wolves on the landscape. I'm not anti wolf.

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Speaker 1: But why didn't this person write an article when when

633
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: G and four take killed a wolf? Why didn't he

634
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: write an article about what a nice thing he did

635
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: for mountain lions? Or could you could have made a

636
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: salacious headline, you could have taken as many liberties and

637
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: said uh. Montana's Governor Greg Ganforte saves many Yellowstone National

638
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: Park mountain lions and he'd like, oh, that's interesting, and

639
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: he'd really be like, oh, he killed a wolf. I'll

640
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: tell you what. I'll tell you what though, he should

641
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: consider it, like maybe not shooting collared animals, like because

642
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: because the attention it draws, sure, and like he could

643
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: have walked up to that line and said he's got

644
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: a collar on it. Maybe I should just let that

645
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: one go for science purposes, like you know, and then

646
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: go find another line, like I'm just playing devil, right.

647
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: They immediately reported, they immediately called a game warden. Yeah,

648
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: you'll point this out too. Here's why you don't really

649
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: know that because remember when Florida was doing a mortality

650
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: study on deer and he had a bunch of deer

651
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: run around with collars. It was a mortality study and

652
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: the state was trying to implore people, don't shoot it

653
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: cause it has a collar. Don't not shoot it because

654
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: it has a collar. I'm trying to find out what

655
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: kills stuff. Just try to act normal. I'm just saying,

656
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: if you're poking around near the borders of Yellowstone National

657
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: Park and there's a wolf for a line with a collar,

658
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: and you're the governor, yeah, I could see. I would personally,

659
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: it would just depend on a lot of things unless

660
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: I knew what the collering project was all about. And

661
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they do because

662
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: a lot of times the stuff that's wearing a collar

663
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: and it's not good anymore, they don't even care. It's

664
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: like it's a collar from years ago. They haven't they

665
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: haven't retranked it to pull the collar or putt new

666
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: batteries that I don't know enough about it. I personally,

667
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I've said a thousand times on this podcast at least

668
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: three Um, I'm I like a banded duck more than

669
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: the next guy. But I would not shoot a banded

670
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: big game animal with a collar on it because it

671
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: would feel like touched. It wouldn't feel it would feel

672
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: like it had already been. Uh, it was like less

673
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: magical and wild. So if you were called in a

674
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: big six point bowl and the Missouri River breaks and

675
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: he's standing there broadside with your bow, you wouldn't shoot

676
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: him and he had if he had a caller on it.

677
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Big bull sixty, Yeah, unless three of them and one

678
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: had a collar and the bigger one didn't. My thing

679
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know, there's a lot of things

680
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: that are like even cheap are introduced, and they've been reintroduced, reintroduced.

681
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Excuse me, um, you know, like in that population has

682
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: been touched in a way. We're influencing everything basically humans.

683
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I think, just like like you said, just being normal

684
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: and doing what you would normally do when you you know,

685
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: when you're hunting. Not letting that influence too much because

686
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: that study at the very point that study that they're

687
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: putting collars on they want to see how many are

688
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: killed by hunters. We don't know that what you think right, Well,

689
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: in the case of this Florida dear thing, I don't

690
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: know why this thing had a Colorado. It might have

691
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: been a mortality study. If it's a mortality study, um,

692
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: and it was a big time, then whoever put that

693
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: collar on it, it's probably glad. They probably got their

694
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: collar back now they know. If it was some other study,

695
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: they might be like, damn it, it's expensive to get

696
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: the collars out. We got the collar out. But in

697
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: the case in my sheep hunt, like I had multiple

698
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: people that we're working on these this herd that we're

699
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: calling them and had just recently collared them. So the

700
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: study had just kicked off, and they very very nicely

701
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: but implored me not to shoot at one with the

702
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: collar on it because just because of the hours it

703
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: had taken to get all that worked on, the money

704
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: invested in it, and in the end they're like, look,

705
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: it's your tag, it's not a lead, have at it.

706
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: But it would be great if you shot one without

707
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: a collar. It's very species dependent to where you're at. Yeah, yeah,

708
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I feel like this is this is in my mind,

709
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a relevant story because it's like you have a person,

710
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: like you have a person he's in a high profile position,

711
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: you have he there's a person that enjoys going hunting,

712
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: goes out and does something and nothing happens. Like he

713
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: goes out and does something like according to law and

714
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: as set up by the Game Commission, you know, as

715
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: enforced by the Montana state thing, and it has to

716
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: be reported upon it as though you did something wrong.

717
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: And the wolf thing, it was reported that he did

718
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: something wrong, but it was reported like he tried. If

719
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: you get a normal trapping license in Montana, it's just

720
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: an over the counter transaction. If you're gonna trap wolves,

721
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: you need to go online and take a free you

722
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: watch this free online video. He hadn't watched the he

723
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: hadn't done the online video, the Wolf certification online video.

724
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: There's no fine for it. It's a free video. He

725
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: hadn't watched the video was told to go watch the video.

726
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: You'd have thought, you know, I thought it was presented.

727
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: You thought there had been like some heinous violation. There

728
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: was a minor violation. And then if you went and

729
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: people are like shocked at the how low the punishment was.

730
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: But then the wardens are like, no, the punishment is

731
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: perfectly in keeping with what we do. When you don't

732
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: watch the video, you gonta watch the video. I thought

733
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't get it tag Now, like when you're getting

734
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: those licenses without doing like you gotta do that video.

735
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: You have to get Wolf vetano that hasn't gone to

736
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: effect yet. You'd have to get a Wolf validation. You

737
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: get the Wolf validation by doing the free online thing.

738
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: The guy had not done the online thing, which is

739
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: against the law, and was called out for such in

740
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: this case. And I'm not saying like, I'm not serious

741
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: to be like he should not have watched the video.

742
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: Of course he should have watched the video. And it's

743
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: fair to point it out, but in this case, nothing happened,

744
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: and it's this thing. It's like it's like the thing

745
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: that like it's like a thing coming from the media

746
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: where in certain circles, like if it involves Yellowstone and

747
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: if it involves wildlife, it's just this this, this idea

748
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that seems to be growing and spreading that, um, while

749
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: the state management of wildlife is bad and naughty and

750
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: it should be managed by the National Park Service. I

751
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: don't even know if people understand that. I mean, I

752
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: totally agree with Yanni. I don't even I don't even

753
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: know if people understand it to that extent, and they've

754
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: made such a nuanced argument in their mind. I think sadly,

755
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: there's it's it's not even that it's misleading and biased.

756
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like I would I would really hope that various

757
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: media sources can cover information like this in a more

758
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: educational way. So, for example, same story NBC News Tim Fitzimmons,

759
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: the headline is Montana Governor Gen Forte hunts kills National

760
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: Park Service tract mountain lions, and then you can go

761
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: through his article, um, and it just seems to serve

762
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: up information that is educational I don't even think that

763
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: that that that headline doesn't bother me. There's a there's

764
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: a there's an extra grind, but at least it's like, yeah,

765
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: that's I would give him like a high, a much

766
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: higher fairness and headlines. Right, It's like, what is information

767
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: being relayed versus what is a headline whose language um

768
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: is just kind of twists or has a backstory or

769
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: kind of colors or ship something in a way it

770
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: has a purpose? Right? What else pisses me off about it? Now?

771
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean to go on all night about it. Day

772
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: it's just lit like night. Like I said, we have

773
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: a lighting issue. It's all lamplet in here. I'm getting

774
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: like thirst for beer. It's not beard feels like a board,

775
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: don't night so um. He also says that it prompting

776
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: an outcry among environmentalists. Those aren't environmentalists. What you're talking

777
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: about our animal rights activists. And I would really appreciate

778
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: people not confuse those two things they have overlap. They're

779
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: not the same thing. Not the same thing. No, no,

780
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: but listen, listen, I think we we do. I would

781
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: like to just point out that out of all the

782
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: critters in this lovely state, that we reside in the

783
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: hunt in Uh, there's probably none other that are managed

784
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: more than mountain lions. Oh um. Yeah, it's so much

785
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: so that people don't even bother because they can't understand

786
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: the regulatory structure. Body. I mean, every morning that I

787
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: go out to like even just go look for tracks,

788
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check the quota in the region that I'm

789
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: gonna go in and see where it's at. Some of

790
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: them are like a total quota where it's like, yeah,

791
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: ten total can be killed. That's a high one. It's

792
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: probably more like, you know, between five and seven and

793
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: most but some of them are like, oh it's seven,

794
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: but only three can be females. Some of them is

795
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: completely opposite where it's seven but only four can be males.

796
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: And like you've really got to know what's going on.

797
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: They're they're almost managing them like by the hour or

798
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: the day like that closely. You know, they're keeping such

799
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: a close eye on them. Yeah, whereas deer you got

800
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: a damn gas station by a deer license. Yeah, yeah,

801
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: even like bears, you know over the counter tag here.

802
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's like one small place in Montana where

803
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: there's a quota and they should especially not be hacking

804
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: on I don't mean to be like, oh, like pro Montana,

805
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I don't mind. But here's

806
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: the thing they should be hacking on this day, because

807
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of states to still run lion. They

808
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: still manage lions as vermin Texas. I think they still

809
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: manage lions like they have like no management plan on lions.

810
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: They still got like kill them all that God sort

811
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: them out attitude. In this state for decade just managed

812
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: them as it like a tightly managed big game animal,

813
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: which gives which is like way better for if you

814
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: if you like mountain lions and you like what I

815
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: could be like hunting lions, like seeing lions, I would

816
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: applaud a state that runs them like a big game animal,

817
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: not a state that runs them like coyotes. In a

818
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: lot of places in the Southwest still treat them with

819
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: about the same they treat with the same matterite they

820
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: treat coyotes. They don't track it, they don't know what's

821
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: going on. Huge seasons used to be able to shoot

822
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: like a female with kids. Here's here's where it all

823
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: comes back around. Here's where it all comes back around.

824
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that story because it's a good one.

825
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna love my mountain lion story. But it all

826
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: comes back around too. If we didn't have hound handlers

827
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: that were interested in in mountain lions, they're probably there,

828
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: maybe wouldn't be any not only in Montana, but in

829
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: the park itself, because as we heard from Jim Williams,

830
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: go and listen to the podcast, I love it. It's

831
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Number of the puma Jim Williams,

832
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: who worked for Montana Sate for a long time, maybe

833
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: one of the world's leading exactly, might not be anybody

834
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: that's messed around with cats of all kinds more than

835
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: he has. He said it in the podcast. If it

836
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: wasn't for the hound handlers of Montana, that probably wouldn't

837
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: be cats here. Get lucky enough to see one in

838
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: the park or outside of the park or wherever. Thank

839
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: those people that every now and then chase the hounds

840
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: chase went into a tree, and then and then someone

841
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: comes and kills it. More times than not they get

842
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: chased into a tree, everybody looks at it, takes a picture,

843
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: and everybody walks away. Uh. To paraphrase the guests you're

844
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: talking about he's not a lion hunter, but the paraphrase,

845
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: but he said, he's like basically, I tread real light

846
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to hack and on Houndsman, because it

847
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: was Houndsman that were sounding the alarm a long time

848
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: ago about the need to manage mountain lions and get

849
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: out of the business of bounty hunting. I'm poison and

850
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm killing them. They were the ones that wanted up.

851
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: They were the ones saying, man, we gotta get grip

852
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: on the program and protect lions for for for punishment.

853
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: For this guy having such a dumb headline, he should

854
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: he Probably the thing is he didn't write that headline.

855
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: Whoever did the headline, they should be tasked to write

856
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: an article for every elk, every one of Yellowstones elk

857
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: that gets killed legally in Montana every year. He get

858
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: writers cramped and then he spent the rest of his

859
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: life just writing articles about people shooting legal elk. Yeah,

860
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: every day of the season. He had to be like,

861
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: hundreds of Yellowstone elk killed over in Cody, Wyoming. There

862
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: just needs to be a little bit more education in,

863
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: you know, among those folks writing headlines from the environmental

864
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: and climate desk. Yeah, well that makes me bad because

865
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm an environmentalist. Uh, I self identify as an environmentalist,

866
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: and I just I just it just kills me to

867
00:52:53,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: see this frame in that way. All right, speaking of

868
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: mountain lions, Yohnning. Now we're digging in on Johnny here.

869
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: Let me let me start with a Here's I want

870
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: to start with this question? Has play Phil play the

871
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: Mingus song Trampled by Turtles inga has Mingus? Um, gimme

872
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: Mingus is current resume. He's currently been under approximately a

873
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: dozen ten to a dozen if you count all all

874
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: of them. But yeah, roughly a dozen trees with mountain

875
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: lions in them, which means you have Yeah, that's pretty

876
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: that's great. Now when you start to you know, purposely

877
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: pursue it, you know, more often than just once when

878
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: you just were making a show about it with your buddy,

879
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: then yeah, you start to see him more. Are you

880
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: beyond the holy shit? It's the tree face a little bit,

881
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: but not too much, not too much. Yeah, you still

882
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: get like like like by god. Yeah, but I would

883
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: say that the reason being that I don't quite you know,

884
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm not as fascinated by that line as much anymore

885
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: is because the attention of my dog. My dog's taking

886
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: my attention because I'm there. I'm like, oh my god,

887
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: my dog's there at the bottom of that tree. Yeah,

888
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, he like sees the line, he's

889
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: barking the line. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing.

890
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: And but no, I always still take a few quite

891
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: a few minutes to sit there and awe. When you

892
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: get to see one sitting in a tree, it's pretty

893
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: Specially when I saw one, it was like so snowy,

894
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, and like for days you're just looking at

895
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: green and white timber and snow never ending expanses, and

896
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: there's the thing, like the most alive, reddish brownish thing

897
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: that like has ever existed on a limb, and it

898
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: just is burned in my mind. Yeah, you're talking about

899
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: this is from the Idahome hunt. Yeah, just like there's

900
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: a lions standard in that tree and I can look

901
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: at it for as long as I want. No, I mean,

902
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: and just we just heard how rare and elusive they

903
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: are from uh, you know, the prior thing we just

904
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: talked about. And you know, the only guy I know

905
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: it's seen a whole bunch of lions. And it's not

906
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: a hound hunter doesn't really do that much, is Jay Scott.

907
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: But that's because he sits behind giant binoculars, right for like,

908
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: you know how many hours are in a year, Broady,

909
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: and he spent a lot of a lot of hours

910
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: just glass and glass and glass, and and that's how

911
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I had seen two of the three mount lions. I

912
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: think I had seen three before I started doing hound hunting,

913
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: and two or three binoculars. One was one just you know,

914
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: jumping across the road in the headlights. One came up

915
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: to your turkey hunt. Oh I know, but that was

916
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: after I started, you know how hot. But yeah, you

917
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: just don't get to see him otherwise, you know, it's

918
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: a special deal. So, uh, your dog now knows that

919
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: that's what it's that at the end of this trail.

920
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: Is that thing in a tree? Correct? But is it

921
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: participating in the catch? It's a spectator? Um, my friends

922
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: and mentors tell me that he is. I'm still novice

923
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: enough for it. I think someone us have a hard

924
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: time but looking at the GPS and actually knowing. But

925
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: like being with Bart George, being with uh our buddy Jake,

926
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: like they're always like Oh yeah, Mingus is right there.

927
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: He might have not been the first dog of the tree,

928
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: but he was there two seconds later. You know, like

929
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: he knows what's up, he's doing in the job. And

930
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: I think that I just and that's why hopefully in

931
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: the next week or two, I'm gonna do a little

932
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: bit of hunting, just he and I because that's we're

933
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: sort of at this place. For me to answer this question,

934
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: I need to go out there find the track for myself,

935
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: which is a big thing that I haven't yet to

936
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: even do, is just like find one identify as a lion,

937
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and then just put Mingus on it, and then just

938
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: the two of us go and do it and see

939
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: what happens in the area that's closed. When there's a

940
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: unit that's closed because of quota, can you run? Correct?

941
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: You still can't? You can still run? Oh yeah until April.

942
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I think it's four. Uh do do like, do the

943
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: people around you if if Mingus was never gonna make it? Um? Well,

944
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: the people around you say that, yeah, But I think

945
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: that most people would experience hounds, hound handlers would tell

946
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: you that it's not the dog, it's just that you

947
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: haven't done enough work with a dog. They all have

948
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: it in him. And the more I've done this, I've

949
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: heard about like little uh weener dogs that run tracks.

950
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: I've heard about labs that have been on a whole

951
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: bunch of mountain lion tracks and in trees, like you

952
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: need to teach the dog what you wanted to do.

953
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: They all have these amazing noses and like you put

954
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: the time in and it's gonna happen. Jay keeps telling

955
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: me it takes twenty trees to have like a finished dog.

956
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: When when you when your dog has been to twenty

957
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: mountain lion trees, like that dog, at that point you're

958
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna say either he's got it or he doesn't. Right

959
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: after twenty tracks and trees, so he's got eight more

960
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: and then you might be out digging a hole out back.

961
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, let me ask you this though,

962
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: is it fair to say that, like, because you have

963
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: kids and stuff, you were gonna get a dog, right

964
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: and you got out of pound puppy and it was

965
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: a hound. Knowing what you now know, do you wish

966
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: you'd just gone and bought like some you know, pedigree

967
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: line like it's eighteen grandfathers were all famous lion hounds no, no,

968
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to say it's cheating, but

969
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: like I've enjoyed the journey, you know, with with Mingus

970
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: and so, and I don't know if I would have

971
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: been able to appreciate it. You know, what's the good?

972
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: What's the real good? Mountain lion, pedigreed puppy go for

973
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: like just I have no idea, but I bet you

974
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: could easily spend a thousand bucks. Oh yeah, bird dogs

975
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, like and plus man, if you'd got one

976
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: of those, you'd have had such high expectations. And that's

977
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: what the dog was for, Like, you know, it's everything's

978
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: like Meingus exceeds expectations every day. Um say, not that

979
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: I think this to happen at all, but say, for

980
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: whatever reason, you get the twenty trees and he's just

981
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: like not doing it. You know, you're gonna put him

982
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: back on the couch with the girls and get another hand,

983
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: another one possibly, yeah, and then not going to go

984
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: down to the pound again. No no, no, no, then

985
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: I would be mining all my best resources. I would

986
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: to go smaller. That's I mean, we love Megus in

987
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: our house, but he's an eighty pound big boy and uh,

988
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: you could have. You can have two or three hounds

989
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: that fit into the same package. Yeah, you know, most dogs, well,

990
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: to know what's going on in the counter, they got

991
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: to kind of walk with their nose up and then

992
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of like that dog just looks. He kind of

993
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: has to just turn his head sideways a little bit

994
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: and that gets in the angles. Oh, that's what's on

995
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: the counter. But no, the story I've been meaning to

996
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: tell you, it's kind of funny, is over the holidays. Uh,

997
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: my sister and her family were visiting with four kids.

998
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: My mom was visiting, so we're quite the full house.

999
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: And a couple of days we went up to Disneyland

1000
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: also known as h Bridger Ski Hill up there at

1001
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: Bridger Canyon, and uh, one day as we're leaving, right

1002
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: around I don't know, three thirty four, we started getting

1003
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: text from my mom and I'm not even getting them.

1004
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: They're coming. I'm reading. I'm getting the information from like

1005
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: my sister and my mom and my wife, and they're like, yeah,

1006
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: your mom's saying that in the course of the day,

1007
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: she's seen like a fox, a raccoon, And now there's

1008
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: a couple of links trying to climb the fence to

1009
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: get into where the turkeys and chickens are. I'm like,

1010
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: holy sh it's quite them almost moved my house. Look

1011
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: look at us. We're up here being dumbass, is just skiing.

1012
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: We could have been at home, you know, seeing how

1013
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: it's amazing wildlife. So, you know, I finally get my

1014
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: mom on the phone. I'm like, okay, tell me exactly.

1015
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I'm for sure they had you know.

1016
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: She's just driving like rings on the tail of one animal.

1017
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it could have been a coon, you know,

1018
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: and then uh this other a warm days Uh no,

1019
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: no it was cold. Um, but the other animals, I said,

1020
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: describe the links to me? Said spots. She said, no, spots.

1021
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: How long was the tail? And she's like, you know,

1022
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: a foot or two? Like it sounds like a small lion,

1023
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: maybe more than likely. So she's like, well, yeah, Mingus

1024
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: and I were out there and he didn't even run

1025
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: after him, like Vengus got knocked down a note. So anyhow,

1026
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: we get home and uh, I like, I double check

1027
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: again with my mom where everything was. I'm like, okay,

1028
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look for tracks. So I go out

1029
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: there with Mingus and going towards the chicken coop, and

1030
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: in like seconds, Mingus is off like kind of where

1031
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: you where we cut down that tree, not the two

1032
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: cheese together, but the single. He's off behind the garage

1033
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: there down the hill, um cutting loose like banging. I'm like,

1034
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: what the hell is I don't even make it to

1035
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: look for t acts. I walk over there and yeah,

1036
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: there's like a twenty pound mountain lion up in the tree. Yeah.

1037
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: Turns out it was a pair. And now I don't

1038
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: know what happened, like little guys, little guys, But why

1039
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: did he want to chase him? The thing is is

1040
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, so I can't for sure tell you

1041
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: that Mingus saw two small mountain lions and then just

1042
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: stood there. Maybe he didn't because I wasn't there. He

1043
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: didn't like think that that was the thing to do.

1044
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem right because that dog usually cuts

1045
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: out of the house like chasing after something before he's

1046
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: even seen it, you know. Uh. But anyway, yeah, and

1047
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: I can't I don't know. I went to get a

1048
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: light so we could show everybody mounta lion, because I mean,

1049
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: you could just stand next to the garage and see

1050
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: this cat in the tree, and as I'm gone, either

1051
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: that lion gets down and runs into another tree, or

1052
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: there's a because there ends up being too late. Like

1053
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: in the next couple of days, we see two small,

1054
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, kittens, but mingus trees another cat like a

1055
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards away on that same hillside. So in one

1056
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: night he got two trees. Are those counted within the dozen? Uh? Yeah? Um,

1057
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: you think they got orphaned? Yeah? I think so, yeah,

1058
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: and whether it's by We were trying to see if

1059
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: a female had been killed on the quota like recently. Um,

1060
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: and I obviously called the game one to see, hey,

1061
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: like what should I do about this? And he pretty

1062
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: much just said, man, you gotta like don't take any chances,

1063
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: Like if you feel like you want to put them down,

1064
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: put them down and just shoot him. We didn't want

1065
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: to do that. We're hoping that, you know, if they

1066
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: got too crazy and we're trying to mess around, well, yeah,

1067
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: because they hung out for like another four or thirty

1068
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: six hours, you know, like we saw him I think

1069
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: two or three more times, and I was definitely getting

1070
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: to the point where I had a rifle at the

1071
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: ready and I was kind of saying like if they

1072
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: show up again, like I'm just gonna shoot him, you know.

1073
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: And uh, And they had no interest in coming out

1074
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: and getting them. They just like let it play out

1075
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: like whatever. Well they'd I'd say, if you want us

1076
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: to come and take care of him, we will. But

1077
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: that's what taking care of would look like. Yeah, they'd

1078
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: euthanize them. Ah but yeah, either mom got killed by

1079
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: a hunter, she could have gotten struck by a car.

1080
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll leave I found out that they'll leave the

1081
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: kittens for days while they're out hunting. Then once they

1082
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: make the kill, they go get the kittens and then

1083
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: go back to the kill. Um, so we're hoping, yeah,

1084
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe Mom will show back up in the next couple

1085
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: of days. But unfortunately for those two kittens, they went

1086
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: up and over the ridge and found themselves under someone

1087
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: else's deck. Those people called the game warr and he

1088
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: came and youthanized him. Oh really, how did you hear that?

1089
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: Oh he'd called into too. He called me back just

1090
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: to give me the update. The warden did huh did

1091
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: they Did they show like any fear you guys at all?

1092
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: Or Oh? Yeah, I mean they would when you went

1093
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: out there they'd walk away they know they weren't spotted.

1094
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, so uh, that's kind of a fun little

1095
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: mangus cat story. We can talk about hunting cats to

1096
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: with Jake, but it's we didn't really get to do

1097
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: a lot of cat hunting. It's not a great hunting story.

1098
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm curious other than other than catching that big old bobcat,

1099
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: which is like a big old bobcat, big old bobcat side, No,

1100
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: have you seen that little uh viral video of big

1101
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: old bobcat and the kid saying big old bobcat. Nobody

1102
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: like YouTube, Just google it and it'll come up. It's

1103
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: keep saying big old bobcat. Yeah, it's gonna go viral now.

1104
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: I think I think it already has. But yeah, the

1105
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: kids like, I don't even know if he has a

1106
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: be begun. He might just have a stick. And he

1107
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: sort of plays like he's shooting his own house cat.

1108
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: And he goes pee pee and he throws the stick aside,

1109
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: grabs a bobcat who's ever running the phone. It's like,

1110
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: what you got there? He's like no, After he does

1111
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: the shoot and he's like, that's what I'm talking about.

1112
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Whole sun and it's like a four year old. He

1113
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: throws a stick aside, puts the cat up on his

1114
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: shoulder and goes got me. He's like, what do you got?

1115
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 1: You got big old? I got to play it here?

1116
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm coming down. What you got there? He's

1117
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: holding als cat. Oh man, big old bob cat. Um. Yeah.

1118
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,959
Speaker 1: So Jake and I went hunted made an episode hunt

1119
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: lions in Montana and uh we cut tracks unfortunately where

1120
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: the tracks were like it sometimes happens when you're filming

1121
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: on land that we didn't even know we could have

1122
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a hunted, so we didn't try to get the film

1123
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: permit for it. And uh we also had tracks going

1124
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: into private and we try to get private access and

1125
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: it just didn't pan out. So we didn't really get

1126
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: to run any lions on the trip. But we did

1127
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: get to run this one bobcat track and unfortunately Mangus

1128
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: didn't run that one because it was very deep snow,

1129
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: and Jake figured we needed all the advantage we could get.

1130
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: And bobcats, unlike lions, tend to be a lot more

1131
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: evasive and they actually when they know they're being pursued

1132
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: by dogs. Um. And this is according to hounds people

1133
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,440
Speaker 1: that I talked to they actually start to make evasive maneuvers,

1134
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: and I've seen it even with Mangus. The one time

1135
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: we did a Bobcat, just he and I had a

1136
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: bobcat go into a tree and then leap so far

1137
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: out of that tree into the nearby snow that it

1138
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: took me, you know, five minutes of wandering around to

1139
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of put two and two together, because I saw

1140
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: the tracks going into the tree, but there were no

1141
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: tracks leaving the tree, and I could see the whole tree.

1142
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's the bobcat? And then you know, five

1143
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: minutes later, I could I see like what looks like

1144
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: a little greater you know, like twenty some feet away,

1145
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: and walk over there and there's the beginning of the

1146
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: track again. Right. So there's an example of like what

1147
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: they might do. Jake's dogs, two of them run silent

1148
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: on track, meaning like Mangus when he's on track every

1149
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: ten to thirty seconds. Yeah, and I like that. I

1150
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: like that silent killer dog idea many well. Back in

1151
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: the day before GPS collars, you had to have at

1152
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: least one dog that that was loud on trail because

1153
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: you had to stay with you. There's no way to

1154
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: stay with your dogs you don't know where, Yeah, exactly.

1155
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: So now you can have that because you can always

1156
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: see where they are via GPS collars. Yeah that's a

1157
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 1: good point, man, Like in the old days. Yeah, yeah,

1158
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: you had to be here, which I for whatever reason,

1159
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit drawn towards that, and I'm silent

1160
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: killers no, no, no, I'm drawn towards for some reason,

1161
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: even though I've never done it, I'm nostalgic for or

1162
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: like having to run. And maybe it's just because I

1163
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: like the physical aspect of like running around in the

1164
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: hills and having to like purposely do physical ship on

1165
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: this hunt, which would be like, yeah, you gotta stay

1166
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: with the dogs, you gotta keep them in earshot at

1167
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: all times. But I've mentioned it to both Clay and Jake.

1168
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: We've been doing it a long time and they did

1169
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 1: it prior to GPS, and they're like, na, not interested.

1170
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: They like it just fine. Like this, Um, now when

1171
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: you get uh, are they when you go to run

1172
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: a bobcat? Um? Are they picking? They're looking for a

1173
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: big bobcat? Do they do they pass up small bobcat tracks?

1174
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: There's like any bobcat? Um? I think it would depend um.

1175
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think that Jake likes to kill

1176
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: like small bobcats that are like the size of a

1177
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: house cat, so he he looks for a large track. Yeah,

1178
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: he probably would if he has time. I think he'd

1179
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: probably still run the bomb cat because I think it's

1180
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: like really good training because if your dog can run

1181
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: a bobcat, they can just about run anything. Um, So

1182
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: they'll probably still run it and then just you know,

1183
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: walk up to the tree, say hi and walk away.

1184
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: You know what my theory is about that bobcat dog thing, um,

1185
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: because on one hand, to be like, well, how would

1186
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: they ever develop the ability to evade hound dogs? But

1187
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: it has to be something with just the fact that

1188
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: all their interactions with Kyle Wits and wolves for sure,

1189
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: like like they got like a they get trailed by

1190
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: canines and have developed ways to elude a canine trailing them.

1191
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: It's like a thing you have to know or else

1192
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: you're screwed. Um. And so because the snow it was

1193
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: like i mean literally you know, crushed aways deep on us,

1194
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: the bobcat is specifically made to walk on top of

1195
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: that stuff, right with giant pause. These dogs are not.

1196
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: And so if that bobcat gets a head start, he

1197
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: or she can just take their time, you know, do

1198
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: figure eights, climbed trees, do whatever they want to do,

1199
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: and the dogs are gonna be post holing and they're

1200
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: never gonna catch up to it or put enough pressure

1201
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: on it to put it up into a tree. So

1202
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: he feels if you put silent dogs in there, when

1203
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: the bobcat knows that it's being trailed, it's the dogs

1204
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 1: are seeing it and they can immediately put that pressure

1205
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: on it and boom, it goes right into a tree.

1206
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: Like there is no you know, there's no real chase

1207
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: on the snow. And then you don't like to turn

1208
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: out at night, right, but you kind of want to

1209
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: get going. You're not allowed to chase at night, or

1210
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: you can't chase him, at least on in Montana. You

1211
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: have to wait until the same thing. It's like legal

1212
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: shooting hours. You can't turn out until half an hour

1213
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: before sunrise. Oh, I didn't know that, So that's like, okay,

1214
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: I think there was some practical reason. Why is that

1215
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: for lions specifically? Yeah, it could be different for bobcats.

1216
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 1: I'd have to check the REGs. But also you can't

1217
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: it's not just the shooting, it's the turning out. You

1218
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 1: have to turn out doing legal light. Oh, that explains

1219
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: a lot would be a dirty trick. Yeah, and listen, man,

1220
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: this bobcat was so special. I've heard from a multiple

1221
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: people that have pursued bobcats for you know, half their

1222
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: lives that have never gotten a bobcat like this. Like

1223
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: Jimmy Miller, who you know as a whole pile of

1224
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: bobcat hides in his house, used to trap him a

1225
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: lot in Colorado, which produces a lot of what he

1226
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: calls Lynx grade cats. He's like, I've never seen one

1227
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: like that. He's like, that is a very very very

1228
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: special cat. You're talking about it. Yeah, and the size,

1229
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: but you have to have like a belly that goes

1230
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: like almost up onto its size and the spots go

1231
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: like down the insides of its legs. Um, i'd cats,

1232
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: good cats. I've been looking at the stuff. Good cats

1233
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 1: are still getting over Some good cats are still getting

1234
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: over a thousand bucks this year. What are you gonna

1235
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: do with that thing? I'm gonna make it into a

1236
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: John Hayes tax during me soft pillow? No nice? Oh yeah,

1237
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: that'll be cool. No, I want I've never done any

1238
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: tax for me. This will be my first one ever,

1239
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: and I want something that is very uh approachable and

1240
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: like can be handled. You know, I don't know if

1241
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: anybody's going to actually take a nap on it and

1242
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: use it as Yeah I might, but like I wanted

1243
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: when kids come over, I wanted to be like, I'm

1244
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: not worried about it getting messed up. Like if in

1245
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: ten years it's like warn ragged from kids and people

1246
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: handling it, I'll consider it a win and I'll, you know,

1247
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: go make another one. Right. I'm a little jealous that.

1248
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean to be totally honestly, I'm a little jealous

1249
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: that Bobcat. What would you do with it? He had

1250
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: it wall hanger tanying it and just put up the

1251
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: hide trapper style. What about mingus? He's gonna be around

1252
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: that thing? Yeah don't. Dogs don't care. Dogs don't. I

1253
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: found that dogs don't like chewt that like our dog

1254
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: likes everything, but it doesn't like chewing tan hides. I

1255
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: think it just smells like chemical. That's exact opposite. Like

1256
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: he's obsessed with this access deer hide in my house.

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: Like we just basically had to give it to him. Yeah,

1258
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: just keep taking it, like dragging it to his spot

1259
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: like our dog. Won't you look at it? Man, you'd

1260
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: rather chew rags out in the garage. Yeah. Like I

1261
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: literally was like, well, I guess I gotta get another

1262
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: access deer hides. Yeah, We've got a coon hide and

1263
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: like a couple of coyotes and a fox and he's

1264
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: never touched those, so I'm sure when we first bring

1265
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: it in and that thing looks pretty real like a's

1266
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: staring at him, he's probably gonna have a little reaction. Okay,

1267
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: let's get into this Neil guy deal. Okay, now, hundred

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: guy one time you were there, ye uh, the whole

1269
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: conversation around. We should first off, do you want to

1270
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: do like a little Yannie book report about what Neil

1271
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: guy are the honest eagle on the case we ken? Yeah,

1272
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: if you think that would be good. Real quick, real

1273
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: quick introduction. Nil Ah, it's a uh antelope species. It's

1274
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: best known for coming from India, although they it's found

1275
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: all over like the southern part of the Asian continent.

1276
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: Ah a little bit of fame in that there's like

1277
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: more of them in Texas now than there is in

1278
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: India probably depending on you know, sex and maturity, anywhere

1279
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: from three hundred I mean obviously calves can be little,

1280
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: but adults probably three hundred to five fifty, maybe six

1281
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 1: hundred on a on a really big mature bowl. Uh.

1282
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: There's stories of a thousand pound nil guy and just

1283
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 1: like there are a thousand pounds uh, you know bulls

1284
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: running around Montana, which I don't think that happens that often. Um,

1285
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, um known to be very good eating. Uh

1286
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, out of all the exotics in uh Texas,

1287
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: it's sort of like sits on on a pedestal above

1288
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: the rest, which I don't really understand the same ranch

1289
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: that we've been on ranches even say it like down

1290
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: here it's like cattle or for selling nil guy for eating.

1291
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: And it's because even though they're an antelope quote unquote,

1292
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: they're actually like a member of the same there a

1293
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: bovine species like cow like cattle are. So it really

1294
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: has to do with like the taste preference of especially

1295
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: of Americans who like beef, who like cattle flavored animals,

1296
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: and so that's why they're so much better. But the

1297
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: trophy is very highly sought after. Two for sure, for

1298
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: some reason, which is interesting because you know it's not

1299
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. I wouldn't originally think that would be a

1300
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: huge trophy for folks, just because of the fact that, yeah,

1301
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: it's not like it has big horns on it. And

1302
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: right next to it is standing a cemetery tar Orcs

1303
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: which four horns on it, all curved and crazy looking,

1304
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: and there's something like the euro Mounts Freedom Mounts. Uh

1305
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: there's something rather satanic looking about Yeah, for sure. They

1306
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: definitely have the devil horn thing going on. For Yeah,

1307
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: I can't wait to like a heavy metal album cover

1308
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: or something. Man. Uh, we were we covered that. We

1309
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: were we covered Niogai really heavy during that crazy ass

1310
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: Southern Arctic blast winters ago because they were I mean

1311
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands froze to death. They just

1312
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: can't cope. Yeah, a little freezing weather. Did you see

1313
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: any like impacts from that? No? No, I think that

1314
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: they're um high fecundity, and uh, either they bounced back

1315
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: or they just weren't that that big of a die off.

1316
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: They also felt that because they have um low fence

1317
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: on three sides of that ranch that any animals that

1318
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: wanted to leave could leave and maybe did and then

1319
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: came back. Um, they've had that happen with other species

1320
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: to when there's been weather events or like smoke or

1321
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: something that they feel like animals just like leaving the black. Um.

1322
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: So when we that was a good little intro when

1323
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: we hunted him. There's a lot about Uh, there's a

1324
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: lot about they can really take a hit. Um, you

1325
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: gotta be very careful to try to drop them. Once

1326
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: they get in the in the brush, you're gonna lose them.

1327
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: They don't bleed their hearts in a weird place for

1328
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of that. Yeah, you're gonna lose him. You

1329
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: don't do everything exactly right if you go online. And

1330
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons we went to hunt

1331
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: them on this particular trip was that it's kind of

1332
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: known as the toughest animal in the lower forty eight

1333
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: to take down. Super tough hide soaks up the lead.

1334
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: Like if you don't kill him out in the open,

1335
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: they run into the brush, you're never gonna find him.

1336
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: He's got like quick clot flowing through his veins totally. Um.

1337
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, in this episode that I went down

1338
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: there to shoot, I did with a fella by name

1339
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: of Troy Fowler. You can find him on YouTube and

1340
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: Instagram as the Ranch Ferry. What does that mean? The rain? Right? Yeah?

1341
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: I I told him multiple times. I said, buddy, it's

1342
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: ballsy to like and and and that's a nickname that

1343
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: he gave himself. To give yourself a nickname that has

1344
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: ferry included. You know, um, didn't we have this conversation. Yeah,

1345
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: we're no strangers to double on tondres. You're going to

1346
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: explain that to me? Well, people are good? Do you

1347
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: get call it me an eater? Right? No, explain double atendra?

1348
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 1: Oh me saying something like, I'm trying to think of

1349
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: a good double entendre. Um. Uh do you think it?

1350
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: One feels good at this kind of stuff? It has

1351
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: double meaning. It has double meaning so often in a

1352
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 1: sexy way, and one of the meeting one of the

1353
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: meetings meanings is usually a little risque or yeah, sexy, right,

1354
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: So Ranch Ferry. You could be like it's a person

1355
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: that brings magical gifts to ranches, or you could be

1356
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: that it's a derogatory term of like a derogatory term

1357
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: for someone of a particular persuasion who's residing at a ranch. Uh.

1358
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: He is neither of those. Um, so it's a triple.

1359
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: He came up with a ranch faery kind of like

1360
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: at home sometimes range ranche. Then I started thinking it

1361
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: was range, which made more sense. But go on his family.

1362
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: I think actually he married into it and married into

1363
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: a big family that owns I can't remember how big

1364
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: the ranches, but they own a own a small ranch

1365
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: in Texas, and um, they're kind of like at your

1366
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: house sometimes where where the kids might be like, wow,

1367
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: the house is always clean. I didn't clean it. How

1368
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: does it? How does it stay clean? You're like, well,

1369
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: when you go to bed, he little ship, I stay

1370
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: up and do all the dishes and clean, run around

1371
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes yourself in the ranch ferry or the

1372
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: house faery cleans it all up. So he sort of

1373
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,799
Speaker 1: has assumed the role on that ranch as when everybody

1374
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: else leaves and the good times are over, but the

1375
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: a t V is not running anymore and the one

1376
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: blind got knocked over by the windstorm and the pipes froze.

1377
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: He fixes everything, the unseen person taking care of every

1378
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: I would never guess that. So yeah, when you come back,

1379
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: everything's fixed. Who did it? The ranch ferry I'm gonna

1380
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: start being the shack ferry or not me. I'm gonna

1381
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: find one. You need to find one. It's gonna say.

1382
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, why don't you stop him?

1383
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:13,440
Speaker 1: Mind that very shock freaking take care of too. Exactly

1384
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: exactly so, uh he volunteers with UM the Ashby Foundation.

1385
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: We had on the podcast a while back at Ashby

1386
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: and we talked all about you know, his Uh, I

1387
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: get the connection though about his you know principles of

1388
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: what makes the best most efficient killing arrow and broadhead.

1389
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: It might not be the most fun arrow to shoot

1390
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: on league night. Nope, that's right because they're heavy, UM

1391
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: and they have you know, two bladed broadheads which sometimes

1392
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: tend to plane in the air more than uh, you know,

1393
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: maybe a smaller broadhead and whatever. So layout really like

1394
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: just leave the neo gut thing for a minute. Sure, Layout,

1395
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,839
Speaker 1: the UM just do not not a recap at Ashby,

1396
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: but that that episode, but layout sort of the emerging

1397
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 1: conflict like everything got light, like everything got light and fast,

1398
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: and it was celebrated like how fast, how flat? Yeah,

1399
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: probably in like the early two thousand's UM, I believe

1400
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: it was like graphite. Actually it was before carbon like,

1401
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: and I saw it as a hunting guide. It was

1402
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: a heavy illumina arrows, but nobody thought they were heavy

1403
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: illuminate arrows. They were just alumina ary, that's what they were.

1404
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: And it was either that or would arrows well, graphite

1405
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: shows up and all of a sudden people started getting

1406
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: very high speeds of arrows. I remember being as like

1407
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: a hunting guide. We would shoot a lot mid mid

1408
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: day when we're not in the woods, and all of

1409
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, guys started showing up with rigs where when

1410
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: they shot, you didn't even see the arrow and flight.

1411
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: It would just be like and then the arrowould be

1412
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: a peer and the targets like holy shit, you know. Well, um,

1413
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: those also came around, came along with like really light broadheads. Um.

1414
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: And even though they were super flat shooting and like

1415
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: your pin gaps were super tight and you could you know,

1416
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: they just don't have a lot of trajectory. Um. We

1417
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: immediately saw it on Elk where we were getting poor penetration,

1418
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: and for a long time we actually figured that we

1419
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: just had bad hunters. We just were like these guys

1420
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: like aren't practicing enough, They're not hitting him in the

1421
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: right spots and we never really thought we never really

1422
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: put it on the the equipment, you know. But uh,

1423
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 1: like I can vividly remember more like a half dozen

1424
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: elk that were shot in the shoulder and you'd get

1425
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: like three or four or five inches of penetration and

1426
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: you see him run off in the arrow would fall

1427
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: out and you wouldn't even bothers. I like, shot elk

1428
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: hit the shoulder one time and as it ran off,

1429
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: the air was flopping and it was just like like

1430
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: slightly lodged into the muscle. You know, it's probably like

1431
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: a hundred things I did wrong, but yeah, I remember

1432
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: that it was like a thing like damn, yeah, you

1433
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: think it would well? And even I think that you

1434
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: were trying to think were you shooting those full metal

1435
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: jackets I got for you on that Blue Mountain hunt

1436
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: that we did in Washington. You were so you had

1437
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: a fairly heavier arrow. I don't know what it was

1438
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: at the time. Um probably didn't have his high of

1439
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: foc Maybe it's like if I had to build you

1440
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: an arrow now. And again I don't know what broad

1441
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: haad you had, but like that bowl didn't go the

1442
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: G five Montechi Montech that arrow only went probably halfway

1443
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: into that animal. Right in the video you could see

1444
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: half an arrow kind of hanging out. Um. Anyway, So yeah,

1445
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: we've had this thing where everybody went super fast, super

1446
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: light and would brag about speeds. Yes, exactly, And a

1447
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: lot of people liked it for white tail hunting because

1448
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: they figured it's a way to get around on the

1449
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: white tail um ducking or reacting to the sound of

1450
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: the string. Which I'll tell you funny story about that

1451
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: can I don't want to you don't want to name

1452
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: names here, but someone was a friend of mine was

1453
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: not in this room, no no, no building. He was

1454
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: out with a rancher and the ranchers showing him around

1455
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: his place for deer hunting, and he's like talking about

1456
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: having a famous bow hunter. Um. I recently heard this

1457
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: story too. And the bow hunter missed the deer and

1458
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you jumped the string. He jumped the string,

1459
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, And and the rancher very nonchalantly goes, but

1460
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: we watched the tape. He just shot under it. Um. Yeah.

1461
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: That's another thing that people are trying to talk about

1462
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: now too, is that people for a long time have

1463
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: thought that it's always a sound of the bow going

1464
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: off at the animals reacting to um. But I recently

1465
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: heard a story about a guy was in Africa and

1466
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: when he'd have animals coming into the water hole that

1467
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: he didn't want to shoot opposite the water hole. He

1468
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: was in a blind right, so he's got a water

1469
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: hole on one side, but he's got windows on both

1470
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: sides blind and opposite the water hole. He had a

1471
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: target because he wanted to test this, and so he

1472
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: would when an animal be sitting there at the water

1473
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: hole twenty yards away drinking, he would draw his bow

1474
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: and shoot the target. Zero reaction from these animals head

1475
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: down to stay in the water, kept drinking. So there's

1476
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,879
Speaker 1: some people that are starting to think that it's actually

1477
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: the sound of the arrow coming towards that animal that

1478
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: makes him react. And it's not just the pop of

1479
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: the you know the cams in the spring when people

1480
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: say jump, that's just so folks listening whatnot, No, we're

1481
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: talking about and people say jumped the string there, it's

1482
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: actually ducking. It's like an animal goes to load up

1483
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: to spring. So different than if you're trying to jump

1484
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: up and touch a basketball rima. Yeah, you go down

1485
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: for up exactly so he knows something's not right enough.

1486
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: The word he's gonna get out of town. And in

1487
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: the time as he like gets ready to spring and

1488
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: you look on that. You know, people know so much

1489
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: stuff now because just because you can film stuff and

1490
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: watch it, I mean his back, I mean they drop

1491
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: a half body length. Yeah, you'll also hear people say

1492
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: duck the string like they're intentional. Like he's like, yeah,

1493
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: but you watch, you'll you'll watch like if you watch

1494
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: the slow motion, his spine winds up down where his

1495
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: belly or where his brisket was. Sometimes I say, it

1496
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: could be a whole body, you know, vertical with at times.

1497
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Um So anyways, ed Ashby from you get into that

1498
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: real quick, he's I don't I don't know. He's not

1499
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 1: necessarily the guy that came up with heavy arrows, but

1500
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: he did a bunch of work in Africa and his

1501
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: whole What's interesting is the reason he was doing this

1502
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: stuff is not that he was out there trying to

1503
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: prove that light and and uh fast arrows were bad.

1504
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 1: He was trying to get uh bow hunting legalized in

1505
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: the whole continent. Really, there was a few countries that

1506
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: allowed bow hunting um just because they didn't have rules

1507
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: that said you couldn't bow hunt. But most of the

1508
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: countries were like, no, you can't bow hunt. So he

1509
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: was like, well, look, I'm gonna go out and study

1510
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: and maybe show you guys that it is a lethal

1511
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: way to kill an animal. Right, So that was like

1512
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: his reasoning behind going and doing what he did. So

1513
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: they were saying you can't do it because they felt

1514
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: like it would be dangerous for hunters to come there

1515
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and do that, or they just or yeah, maybe it

1516
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: wasn't just ethically you know, fair to the animal, just

1517
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: wasn't like a good way to bring down an animal.

1518
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: You know, there's still countries now where you can't bow

1519
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: hunt um. So uh yeah, because sometimes I think he

1520
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: gets a bad rap for like he's out there just

1521
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: trying to like destroy you know what other people have,

1522
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, come up these ideas that he came up

1523
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I'm I was just trying to

1524
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: prove that, like, hey, we could do this with a bow.

1525
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, the results show that if you

1526
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: want to, you know, get maximum penetration, which he believes

1527
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: is the best way to kill animals. Here is the

1528
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: setup that works best for that, which turns out that

1529
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: it's a heavy wait forward arrow um And to get

1530
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: weight forward you put on a heavy broadhead and you

1531
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: put sometimes even an insert at the tip of your

1532
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: arrow two more and drive you know, or pull through

1533
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, that arrow through the animal. And for these

1534
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: fifty reasons having to do with physics, this is why

1535
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: that is. And how heavy Just for a quick like recap,

1536
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: like how heavy is heavy? Don't do it? And if

1537
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: you do grain, some people the hell that means? No

1538
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: one knows what that means. Oh yeah, I don't know

1539
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: if I can remember the definition of where grain came from.

1540
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a it was literally came from

1541
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: like the weight of seeds way back. And how many

1542
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: grains are in a pound. When it comes to when

1543
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: you're saying that you shoot a h grain broadhead, that

1544
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: grain is a fraction equates to a fraction of a pound.

1545
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 1: Seven thousand grains in a pound, So seven thousand grains

1546
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,560
Speaker 1: in a pound when you're shooting a hundred grain broadhead,

1547
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about. Yeah, I got a math

1548
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 1: question for you, chatter that's yeah, you're shooting a hundred

1549
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 1: grain broadhead. What percentage of a pound? Is that h

1550
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: drop some zero? No? No, this I'm doing a little

1551
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: a little yeah, yeah, that hundred grain broadhead be almost

1552
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: a couple of ounces or a couple of ounces, right, No,

1553
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: this is this conversion chart saying that four hundred grains

1554
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: is point nine ounce. Hold on, just pause all this film.

1555
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:50,799
Speaker 1: I've never done that. So I've never done the conversion

1556
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: three seven grains and ounce of power different. So the

1557
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: Mediator Math podcast is really the show. So just be

1558
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: clear here grain. Like when we talk about measuring a broadhead.

1559
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: If you go for for people at home that don't

1560
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: mess with broadheads, going on buy broadheads, or you start

1561
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: go asking me your friends, but hey, what grain broadhead

1562
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: did you shoot? A lot of people are gonna be

1563
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: like one hundred. They're gonna be like one ten. This

1564
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: is changing now, this is going to change in the future.

1565
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 1: It will be much higher numbers. But for the last

1566
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: you might be it might might not be. But yeah,

1567
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: the common weights were probably Chester can help out here.

1568
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: He's he's on the company that does he does little,

1569
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: but he does toy bows. No. But when you say

1570
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the most common were were like the three common broadhead

1571
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: weights hundreds for for a trad bow. No no, no, no,

1572
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm speaking on what I know and what

1573
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: people use back in the day before all this technology.

1574
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:59,759
Speaker 1: So I'm like compound bows and I love compound bos.

1575
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: But anyways, they were like typically you'd be shooting h

1576
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: to like twoin broadheads, like even back in the day

1577
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: all those older But that's for trad but like, um,

1578
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: but what here's why I'm upset. If you went down

1579
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: to Walmart right now and they had one broadhead on

1580
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: the shelf, it's gonna be a hundred grain broadhead and

1581
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it'll be those two for sure. Okay,

1582
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm just trying to establish the

1583
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:38,440
Speaker 1: hell of grain is what that means. What that means

1584
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 1: is what you're like, what is that unit of measurement

1585
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 1: that is a very arcane unit of measurement that has

1586
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: to do with like grain, like cereal grains, I believe,

1587
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: and it is one seven thousand of a pound is

1588
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: a grain, meaning you would have to buy seventy one

1589
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: grain broadheads and put them in a pile if you

1590
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: wanted to balance it on a scale with a pound

1591
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: of elk. Burger that's correct, that's okay. So, yeah, the

1592
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: most common for probably compound shooters and and but now

1593
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of people starting to shoot heavier setups.

1594
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: The reason it's a little contentious, controversial, whatever you want

1595
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: to say, is that, yeah, is that as it gets heavier,

1596
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,440
Speaker 1: you get more trajectory out of your arrow. It becomes slower,

1597
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,799
Speaker 1: and so you know, it falls out of the sky faster.

1598
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not as flat shooting. Um. And you know, people

1599
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: for the last twenty years twenty years have been very

1600
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: accustomed to shooting fast things that shoot flat, and so

1601
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: it's hard go the other direction, even if there's a

1602
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff telling you that it's gonna work better.

1603
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 1: It's fair to say this kind of mimics like the

1604
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: same thing you'll see in rifle shooting arguments, right, like

1605
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: super fast, flat shooting little light bullets versus great, big,

1606
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: heavy ones that shoot like a rainbow. Rick Cutton put

1607
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: it to me the other day. He thinks that it um.

1608
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: He likes to read articles about this stuff a lot. Uh.

1609
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: He's like, all that like super fast bullet stuff is

1610
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: all kind of like pre range finder mm hmm. That

1611
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: you'd have a gun that you could be like point

1612
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: of aims. Yeah, and scopes that you can dial into

1613
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: it with. He's like not with the range. Fun it

1614
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. You just you can shoot a heavy

1615
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: bullet and you just know what it's gonna do. And

1616
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing about like I can aim at it

1617
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: no matter what. He's like, Okay, yeah, but it's looking

1618
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: how far away it is. I know exactly what's gonna happen,

1619
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: and and I don't need like the super light flat bullet.

1620
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: You shoot a big heavy bullet because you was gonna

1621
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: go anyway, which I'm all about, like shooting a big

1622
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: heavy for better, you know. But the idea that you

1623
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: can't kill a nil guy with a arrow that isn't

1624
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: sixty grains in total weight isn't true. I know for

1625
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: a fact it isn't true, because I've killed one with

1626
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: a small sure, But you can kill an ELK three

1627
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: to my bare hands. Right now. We're talking all right,

1628
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: episode of trivia for that to happen. But I don't know,

1629
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where the baseline as far as like

1630
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: anything below this, Like when you with rifle calibers, it's

1631
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: it's almost easier to know, like Okay, we're now in

1632
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: the range of unethical maybe like when well, I don't

1633
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: know what I was doing. This whole setup was led

1634
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: into this whole thing. I was trying to say that

1635
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: in my one experience with nil guy, um, and I

1636
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,759
Speaker 1: was with we were with a guy. Um, the guide's

1637
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: nil guy hunts. He was very I don't want to

1638
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: say fixated. His thing was they just get away. They

1639
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: get away if everything doesn't happen perfectly. And um, he

1640
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: wanted big rifles, heavy bullets, close shots, careful shot placement.

1641
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: Drop it, don't let it get in the brush. They

1642
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: just vanish, the same thing you'd see in Africa. Well,

1643
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: it's no, I mean you can You're not gonna meet

1644
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: an elk guy that wants something different sure than that?

1645
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: You know. Um, what Troy Austin talks about is I

1646
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: forgot about can your can you're set up handle what

1647
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: he calls like plan B when the animal reacts to

1648
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: the string when because the human element is introduced. And

1649
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 1: no matter how good this technology gets, the asshole shooting

1650
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: the boat is still the same, right, and maybe he's

1651
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: not gotten smarter and not gotten better. Uh, and you

1652
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: shoot too far forward and you shoot too far back? Right?

1653
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: What happens? Then? Does your super light set up that? Sure?

1654
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: Like with the perfect st everything always dies like right there,

1655
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: they just run off and die, no big deal. But

1656
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: when it's not perfect, what happens? Right? And that's the

1657
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: same case for why people say use enough gun is

1658
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: because stuff happens, and if you don't right exactly right,

1659
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 1: that bigger caliber is probably gonna, you know, be on

1660
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: your side at that point. My neighbor in Alaska staws

1661
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: hunt deer of the small caliber rifle, Like why do

1662
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: you they goes him in the brain? You know, I

1663
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: shoot another if you don't hit in the brain, I

1664
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: just do this. Yeah. Yeah. A good way of thinking

1665
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: about like that arrow bullet thing is like for people

1666
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: that may not know any of this stuff, is just

1667
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: like thinking about me taking a brick and chucking it

1668
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: as hard as I can, Hey, Yanni's head, got it?

1669
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: Or grabbing a baseball and chucking in as hard as

1670
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,759
Speaker 1: I can at Yanni's head, Like what's gonna do more damage?

1671
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: You know? And it's going to be that brick even

1672
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: though it's going to be going quite a bit. Sorry, Johnny,

1673
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 1: someone's gotta take it. Listen, it's experimentation. Yeah, so you're

1674
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: a believer in that system. Well, yeah, yeah, and I

1675
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: was a believer. I've been reading Ashley stuff off and

1676
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: on because he wrote a lot of stuff in Traditional

1677
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 1: bowl Hunter, which I used to be a traditional bowl hunter, um.

1678
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: And so I've been a believer of heavy arrows and

1679
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,639
Speaker 1: those kind of broadheads for a long time. And I've

1680
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: known of them, um even before I met Troy or

1681
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: we did the podcast with Ed. You know, I was

1682
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: shooting like a five and thirty five grain set up,

1683
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, but I didn't have that the high foc

1684
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: and real quickly FOC stands for forward of center. It's

1685
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: basically like where you're gonna if you're just gonna balance

1686
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: like on your finger, your arrow, if everything is equal,

1687
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: it will balance exactly in the middle. But the more

1688
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: way you put up front, the shorter you know, the

1689
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 1: distance from your finger to the front of the arrow

1690
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: is going to become right that we can get it balanced.

1691
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: So the more way you can get up front helps

1692
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: in penetration. And there's always just like dubious physics involved

1693
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 1: in these discussions where if it's heavier in the back,

1694
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 1: it pushes the arrow in or you know, I mean,

1695
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: like people say stuff that contradicts itself, and that's why

1696
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm an argument and that's why I like, listen, Yeah,

1697
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 1: there's we're gonna learn a lot. We don't know everything

1698
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: at this point. There's a lot to be learned out there.

1699
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm happy that the Ashley Depth Foundation and people like

1700
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 1: Troy are taking their own free time and at least

1701
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: trying to do some research and and trying to figure

1702
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: it out, you know, because otherwise we're just working off

1703
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: of what you know, the latest hunting host tells you

1704
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: what's great and what you saw on TV, or you know, listen,

1705
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Those guys, right, because all

1706
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: of us in this I mean, I don't know how

1707
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: many animals you've killed the ball, but for me it's

1708
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: been it's less than ten, um, you know, so I'm

1709
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: working off limited personal experience. I've seen maybe another thirty

1710
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: or forty, you know, because of of guiding archery hunters

1711
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: over the years. Um. But anyways, I'm just happy that

1712
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: they're at least trying to figure it out. So anyways,

1713
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: I shot my nil guy, yeah, with a sift grain

1714
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: arrow with this two hundred grain single bevel head and um,

1715
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I think if you want to know more about some

1716
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: of this, uh you know technical arrow jargon that we're

1717
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: going over here, going and listen to that podcast. So

1718
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,879
Speaker 1: if you want to check out what you samos episode

1719
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: to eighty four and it was called the Archer's Paradox.

1720
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: So do we cover off on why and the arrow

1721
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 1: is enough for you? Because I'd like to talk a

1722
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: little bit about the haunting the nil guy themselves, because

1723
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 1: you know when we went down there, your hunt lasted

1724
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 1: a total of two hours, maybe been a lot short,

1725
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: could have been shorter, because, uh, getting within a couple

1726
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 1: hundred yards of them is not an issue. Though they

1727
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: are generally aware of your presence, but with a rifle

1728
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: them being aware of your presence doesn't matter that much, right,

1729
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter at all. Well, do you

1730
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: remember exactly like when we were there, was it December December?

1731
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: There was like some some there were there was some

1732
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: grab bass going on. So it's definitely like pre rut

1733
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: cold mornings, some grab bass. Uh, getting within some distance

1734
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: of them was not hard and they would a little

1735
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: bit throw caution to the wind, and when they saw

1736
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: a movement, they would want to come kind to see

1737
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 1: what it was, but keeping their distance. I shot one

1738
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 1: from a hundred yards. Yeah. We went just after Valentine's Day,

1739
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: middle of February, which is known as usually their peak rut.

1740
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffiths told me the locals down there call them

1741
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Valentine because they run around Valentine's Day. Yeah. Um, so

1742
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I think I learned that and forgot it. I like

1743
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: that little detail. We uh, we're hoping for the rut.

1744
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Zero rut activity the first four days and extreme, like

1745
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: I was cut to the chase. I've never hunted a

1746
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: more skittish animal, Like unbelievable. We were getting busted at

1747
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: sometimes to three hundred yards and like they would eyeball us,

1748
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 1: and like it didn't take long until they were walking away,

1749
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 1: And would is it because you thought it'd be gravy?

1750
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: Certainly a little bit of that, but I mean that

1751
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: only Look, there's enough game more skittish than a pressured

1752
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: white tail. There's enough game on this ranch that you

1753
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of opportunities, right, So it didn't take

1754
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: long for like think walking into it, think it's gonna

1755
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: be gravy, for that idea to get blown out of

1756
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: my brain and go, Okay, you better rethink of how

1757
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna get this done. And your idea was you

1758
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: were going to spot and stuck, like sneak in for sure,

1759
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: because that's what like doing and doing research for the hunt.

1760
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: It was spot and stock them sit over water, sit

1761
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: a fence crossing because I didn't know this, but they

1762
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 1: don't jump fences. They go under them and bust a

1763
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: lot of fences which they trap um or they'll go

1764
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: through gates that are open. And then some people have

1765
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: had luck actually sitting over dung pile. That's what That's

1766
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: all I've ever done. Yeah with your bowl. Okay, yeah

1767
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 1: they have. They have a lot of fidelity to their

1768
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: little ship. In spots were kind of like if you

1769
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: can find a big one, like it's always been sort

1770
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 1: of accidental. It's like I didn't set out on a

1771
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: nail guy hunt. We were doing something else. We weren't

1772
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 1: having great luck. We came up on like a big

1773
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: fecal pile, so you know, that's a big bowl. And

1774
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: then we just changed the plant set a ground blind,

1775
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: waited it out and waited for him to have to come.

1776
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 1: How long did you wait? Same day both times? But

1777
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:03,520
Speaker 1: that it seems like the ship piles every day exactly

1778
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: what I would lace. I would lace some feed with

1779
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: a laxative. What I'm saying, I know, I don't. I

1780
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know what that would do for you. It might

1781
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: do the opposite. Increases visits to the pile for the

1782
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: dung pile too, Like they don't just poop anywhere. They

1783
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: just like you walk around and you're literally looking at

1784
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: little poop piles nicely, you know it. And you know

1785
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 1: what's funny is uh, swamp rabbits. But here's my observation

1786
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: about about the dung piles is that chester I did

1787
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: when I started paying closer to tention, we did find

1788
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 1: no guy, just dung or scat spread out like you

1789
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't elk and like a feeding zone. It was just like, oh,

1790
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: there's been nil guy in here, and there's not piles

1791
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: pile themselves, so they will go there's there's there's They

1792
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: vary in size, you know, from you know, a big platter,

1793
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: food platter too, you know, like a car hood. But

1794
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: what I realized, and again it might because there's so

1795
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: many of them on this ranch, is that the difference

1796
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: between one that's like a steamer as we started calling them,

1797
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: and one that's not where you're like, oh man, someone's

1798
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: been here recently. Is one animal species that happened in

1799
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: the in the prior twelve hours. So you can't really say, oh,

1800
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: this is the hot one right now, because if if

1801
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,679
Speaker 1: the bull decides to use the next dunk pile twelve

1802
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: hours later, all of a sudden, that became the hot one,

1803
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I never saw one

1804
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: where like, oh my gosh, it looks like five nil

1805
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,880
Speaker 1: guy have taken a ship here in the last twelve hours.

1806
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: It was always just like one had refreshed, had freshened

1807
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: it up, and it just it's like, yeah, um, if

1808
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: they're as skiittish as a pressured white tail, no way,

1809
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: probably not. But I can tell you that again, I'll

1810
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: cut to the taste. I had a lot of these. Again,

1811
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of game on this On on this ranch,

1812
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: we had great stalking uh spot still hunting conditions, not

1813
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 1: spoting stock, just moving through the brush slowly, trying to

1814
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, see them before they see you. High winds

1815
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty miles an hour, making the brush move,

1816
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: very steady winds, so you know you've got the wind

1817
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: in your favorite paces. Yeah, very and like flat ground,

1818
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: which can be a little bit tricky because I'm used

1819
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: to hunting the mountains, where you always have a horizon

1820
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: to work with, and like when you see something you

1821
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 1: can kind of duck behind the horizon and make a

1822
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: move and getting close. When when you're hunting a ranchid

1823
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: is almost completely flat as a pancake, you don't have

1824
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: the luxury of horizons, and so you either have to

1825
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: use the vegetation as sort of a um instead of

1826
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 1: a horizontal horizon more of like a vertical horizon, and

1827
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: kind of come around corners and keep peeking around the

1828
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: corners like that. But multiple times at sub a hundred

1829
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 1: yards fifty to a hundred yards when I when when

1830
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: when and Chris gil was filming with me, and both

1831
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: of us had decided like, okay, we have to be

1832
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 1: taking half steps, like no more full steps, and once

1833
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: we get like sub seventy five, we're going hands and

1834
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: knees to get in close because we're just like gonna

1835
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 1: take them, take ourselves out of that like just general

1836
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: view of these animals, but both on my hands and

1837
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 1: knees and standing there multiple times in that like fifty

1838
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: seventy five range when I'm like, everything is perfect, the

1839
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: winds perfect. Um, they don't know I'm here. Their heads

1840
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 1: are down, they're feeding. There's not a bunch of animals.

1841
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 1: That's another problem. You get a bunch of animals. There's

1842
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 1: just more eyes. You're always battling, and when you think

1843
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 1: nobody's looking, somebody's looking. They catch it, right, But multiple times,

1844
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 1: like one or twosies, and I'm coming in on and

1845
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:55,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it, it's gonna happen. Just half step,

1846
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: half step, don't get ahead of yourself, don't let your

1847
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: weight get over your toes. And just sitting there, and

1848
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: I had a cow just pick her head up, look

1849
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: through a tree, look at me. And again it didn't

1850
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: last a second and she booked. And I just feel

1851
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 1: like a white tail um an elk in those situations

1852
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: if you are not moving. And again Chris Kell could

1853
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 1: have been doing something behind me that I don't know.

1854
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: I know, but listen, So that dude is so skinny, Yeah,

1855
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and Gil knows what he's doing. Man, one of them.

1856
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 1: If you get after him and he's so skinny, he's

1857
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: behind me, it's kind of like a blind right if

1858
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 1: he's behind me. But anyways, I'm telling you multiple times,

1859
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 1: like lift up their heads for no reason. I didn't

1860
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,680
Speaker 1: pop a stick to be like, oh I screwed up.

1861
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: I popped a stick, just like standing there, they look up.

1862
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm like full face mask. At this point, I was

1863
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: talking like the first six hours of the first day

1864
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,679
Speaker 1: with no face max out the window. I'm like, Okay,

1865
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 1: everybody's in full cam on. Now we're covered up gloves

1866
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 1: even though it's hot jackets no no, had I brought one,

1867
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,640
Speaker 1: I probably would have tried it, but I didn't. I

1868
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:12,759
Speaker 1: didn't bring one. Um. But yeah, man, just like getting

1869
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:16,799
Speaker 1: busted for seemingly no reason and a lot of shaking

1870
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: my head and a lot of frustration and every and

1871
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: and you know, Brad, who we know from down there,

1872
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: is like that's the way you do it, as you

1873
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: spot and start or just you know, still hunt him,

1874
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, get on your feet and find him and

1875
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: get close to him. I finally said, the hell with it,

1876
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna I found a spot, a whole bunch of

1877
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: dung piles, some fresh ones we had every time we

1878
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: were in this zone. We were getting into nil guy

1879
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 1: and there was an open gate and a fence that

1880
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 1: goes you know miles in either direction, but here's an

1881
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 1: open gate and looks like pretty good crossings. So we

1882
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,520
Speaker 1: do the whole ground blind thing, brush it in like crazy,

1883
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: and we gave it a full dark to dark sip.

1884
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: The one nil the one nil guy that came by

1885
01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 1: came by on the other side of the fence and

1886
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: just passed the gay. I don't know if she would

1887
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: have come through well if I had not been there,

1888
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 1: because as soon as she was trying to get all

1889
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: I would have shot any of the old guy. Um

1890
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: when she came by. As soon as she appeared, like

1891
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 1: there was kind of like a brushy fence throw you know,

1892
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: you can kind of see through it, not see you

1893
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 1: through it. And as soon as she popped into view,

1894
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 1: she swung that head and was like, what is that

1895
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: thing over there? And she was probably I don't know,

1896
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: thirty yards Like she just pinned us, pinned the blind,

1897
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 1: not us like we had. In my opinion, like looking

1898
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 1: at it, I'll show you a picture. Its like we

1899
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: had a good hide. The orcs that came by didn't

1900
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: pin us. The white tails that came by didn't pin us.

1901
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,839
Speaker 1: Like the white tails looked, but they would keep feeding,

1902
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, she looked eyeballed us and just kept ride

1903
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: on walking and was like, I'm not I'm not bothering

1904
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 1: with that. We saw a few bulls, but they were

1905
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 1: just out of range and they were they were just

1906
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: moving a direction that wasn't going to bring him through

1907
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 1: that gap. So I could have put in three days

1908
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 1: in that blind and it would have happened. Maybe I don't.

1909
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have the luxury of that because it was

1910
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 1: my second to last day. So even though it didn't

1911
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 1: work that day, the next morning, I'm like, okay, morning movement,

1912
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,920
Speaker 1: I'll give it ninety minutes. See what happens. We said

1913
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: it no nil guy come through. Decided to get on

1914
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 1: our feet again. I'm like, okay, at least we're gonna

1915
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: get some action and hopefully we're running into some pigs.

1916
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 1: I'd like to shoot another pig. We can talk about

1917
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 1: that too. I had a blast hunting pigs with my bowl,

1918
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: like I felt like a kid. Is great. But immediately

1919
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 1: leaving the blind, like ten minutes into it again, great wind,

1920
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: like I bust a cow pop out of the water hole,

1921
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 1: and as soon as I hit the water hole and

1922
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm like not even like I'm not like standing on

1923
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: the edge of the water. I'm looking at the water

1924
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: from ten yards back in the brush and I look

1925
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: over across the water and there's three nil guy bowls

1926
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 1: looking at me like son of a bitch, and they

1927
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: skid her off. I'm like, well, we'll just keep hunting,

1928
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, go a little farther. We get to the

1929
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 1: next water hole, we think we hear a pig and

1930
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,639
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, just totally going to pig mode.

1931
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: I thought I heard one grunt and Chris is like, yeah,

1932
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 1: I heard it too. Let's find this big. We're looking around,

1933
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: looking around, and we're like maybe again ten five to

1934
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: ten yards in the edge of a water hole. Well,

1935
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: from over my left shoulder, come in in the open, uh,

1936
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: into this water hole. Two Nilgai bulls walk into the

1937
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 1: water and start drinking the closest ones at like fifty yards.

1938
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, it's on. Somehow they had not gotten

1939
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: my wind when they came in from behind me. Now

1940
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: they're up wind and me, I'm like, this is it.

1941
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: I gotta make ten yards. They're out in the open,

1942
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: there's no brush in the way, Like, I can make

1943
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 1: that shot, no problem, And Chris is like hands and knees.

1944
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're on a buddy, We're all we're because

1945
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: we're actually looking for this pig. So we're like on,

1946
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 1: like we're already down. So we start going creeping, creeping,

1947
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: But you had limited yourself to a thirty yards shot.

1948
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: Thirty five is what I wanted to shoot. Probably in

1949
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: perfect conditions, I would have shot forty. Um. But yeah,

1950
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 1: I just don't like the more boning I've been doing lately.

1951
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into those positions where like

1952
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 1: I make I take a shot and and it's not

1953
01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: the outcome that I want, and it just seems like,

1954
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's just too even if I make the

1955
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 1: perfect shot, there's so many other variables, you know, I

1956
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: want to make sure it does the trick. So yeah,

1957
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: forty for sure. Um, nothing past that. Uh So we

1958
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: start creeping and just seemingly out of the blue, the

1959
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: lead bowl like picks his head up and it's splashing

1960
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 1: out of the water and leaves going away from us,

1961
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 1: son of a bitch, And the other one doesn't spook

1962
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: but follows him too, you know. And I think now

1963
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 1: it was this third bowl that up I'm about to

1964
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: tell you about that comes in that got him to move,

1965
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: because I think he was a little bit ruddy onre

1966
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: maybe more dominant, and that's what got him out of there.

1967
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 1: So this wasn't our fault. This other bull comes in

1968
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 1: and he actually crosses a gap for me. At forty

1969
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: I come to full draw and I don't know if

1970
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 1: it's a nil guy thing or if he was running

1971
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 1: or what, but I got into them and I'm yelling

1972
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: at him and he's not stopping. He just marches right

1973
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 1: on through my window and follows the path of the

1974
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 1: two bulls. It's like, just keep hunting. So I'd go

1975
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: across the opening, follow them into the brush, and pop

1976
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 1: out into where it just kind of opens up a

1977
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: little bit and you can see fifty yards this way

1978
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 1: that way, and I see a single cow just kind

1979
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 1: of moving and she disappears beyd some brush. I'm like, okay,

1980
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the mix, and again I'm shooting any ni

1981
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 1: old guy at this point, so I kind of make

1982
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 1: a move towards her, and I can see like a

1983
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: pretty long opening to my left that's made ten yards

1984
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: wide and almost can see a hundred yards and right

1985
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 1: as we get there, three bulls pop into there. One

1986
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 1: is like kind of stuff stuff that we saw when

1987
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 1: we were down there, all of us together. He's jumping around, prancing,

1988
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 1: tail up in the air like just poop like broadcasting

1989
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 1: out of his rear end. Yeah, which it kind of

1990
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: makes sense, right if they're doing the dung pile as

1991
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: like a set marker, it's like they're scrape that. He's

1992
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna do that too in that situation, so just blasting

1993
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: it out, yeah, like an air soft gun. The other two,

1994
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: we and Chris gott this on camera, full on head bashing,

1995
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 1: and one just pushes the other one like through trees

1996
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 1: like brush getting knocked over to the point where I'm like, hey,

1997
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: do I want to get mixed up in this right?

1998
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 1: Like because because the other thing that Armando the guy

1999
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,480
Speaker 1: told us about was like and it kind of worked

2000
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: on your hunt where like sometimes they'll think you are

2001
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: another nil guy sort come and inspect you. And so

2002
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 1: now I'm like, you know whatever, sixty seventy yards, I'm thinking, well,

2003
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: are thinking to like think I'm a nil guy instead

2004
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 1: of just inspecting me. Just do what he just did

2005
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 1: to his buddy. I don't have that inch thick hide

2006
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: across my chest, you know, and uh. Anyways, like I'm like, okay,

2007
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: we have running nil guy. This is good, and so

2008
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: I kind of just stay with the group. Eventually get

2009
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: to where I can see like three or four cows

2010
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 1: in the brush, and I see a bull walking there

2011
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: with them, a little bit out of range still maybe

2012
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: fifties sixty, and I had already seen him a couple

2013
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: of times, like follow them. The cows was scored out,

2014
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, they get a little annoyed by whatever he

2015
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 1: was doing. They'd scored out. They scored out again, I

2016
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: see right where they go. He comes out after him.

2017
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 1: As soon as he puts his head behind this kind

2018
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: of bigger, massive vegetation. I sprint up like fifteen yards,

2019
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 1: come to full draw. When he comes from out from

2020
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 1: behind the rush, he stops just heading neck I can see.

2021
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:26,880
Speaker 1: And he must have just seen something enough because when

2022
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't follow the cows now, he kind of turns

2023
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 1: away from me and starts just going away. And but

2024
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: he's quartering but pretty hard, and at first I'm like,

2025
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 1: I can't take the shot. And again I'm trying to

2026
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 1: stop him, but I'm thinking I don't know if I

2027
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: can take the shot, because he's quarner like just walking.

2028
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to take a walking shot. But because

2029
01:58:43,240 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: he's so quartering a way so hard, he's not actually

2030
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: like I'm not having to move my boat to follow him,

2031
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 1: like my pins are almost just like resting on him.

2032
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: He's because he's kind of going straight away. And so

2033
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:58,200
Speaker 1: I shoot at like twenty six yards and he was walking,

2034
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 1: and uh, we replay the shot. I don't see him

2035
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 1: fall over. We replay the shot. Shot looks like it's

2036
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: a little bit far back, like it definitely enters like

2037
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: in the guts and but strong quarter. Yes, the very

2038
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: strong well turns out again. I'm gonna cut out some

2039
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: of the details. He went seventy yards and fell over,

2040
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,240
Speaker 1: and uh, I was after watching the footage, I was

2041
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 1: going to back out, hook up with Troy, give it

2042
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, and come in and try and

2043
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 1: try to look. But Chris is like, let's just do

2044
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 1: one quick little loop. I'm like, all right, you know

2045
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 1: that's my arm, but no blood and we couldn't find

2046
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 1: the Arab blood. No blood, couldn't find the arrow, and uh,

2047
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I'd already this point, you got that like pitting your

2048
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 1: stuff totally. I'm like not stoked on the situation. And

2049
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 1: as you know as a honey host, the first thing

2050
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: in your head is like you start to like right

2051
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 1: the lines that you're gonna have to say to the

2052
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: camera about how you screwed the pooch and shit happens

2053
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah bla blah blah. You know.

2054
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 1: So we recover it not long after, and um, I

2055
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 1: was very excited, I mean and surprised. I don't know

2056
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: if I would have been more surprised there was a

2057
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 1: leprecn standing there looking at me, you know, but like

2058
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 1: to see that dude down on the ground. Now when

2059
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 1: he again animals make it seventy yards in like, not

2060
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 1: even a full second where he died, I don't know.

2061
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 1: Had he gone another seventy yards, it would have been

2062
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: very easy blood trail because he had, you know, blood

2063
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 1: coming out of his mouth and his nose. Um. It

2064
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:36,880
Speaker 1: would not have come out of either of the or

2065
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 1: the one wound where the where the broad had went in,

2066
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: because it went in, like I said, basically in the

2067
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 1: paunch and went all like probably went through eighteen inches

2068
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 1: of grass filled belly, then went through the diaphragm, split

2069
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 1: the lungs and half cut the uh, either the A

2070
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: order or the pulmonary artery. I had it in a

2071
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 1: text I can't remember now, but basically the one that

2072
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:02,840
Speaker 1: can the lungs to the heart and then broke a

2073
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:05,280
Speaker 1: rib on the way out went through the shoulder meat

2074
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 1: and the arrow. You could just feel the tip of

2075
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:11,520
Speaker 1: the arrow through that inch thick hide right here. There's

2076
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 1: your selling point for that heavy arrow. So a little

2077
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,680
Speaker 1: bit for sure, Like we we measured it with a

2078
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:19,000
Speaker 1: tape measure were we had the luxury, as you know,

2079
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 1: on that ranch you can get a truck pretty close.

2080
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 1: We had to drag him maybe a hundred yards by hand,

2081
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: got him into a truck, took him back hole, guts

2082
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:29,320
Speaker 1: in and everything so that we could really do fold

2083
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 1: that cropsy on what happened, you know when that arrow

2084
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 1: hit him, And we figured we got somewhere between like

2085
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:40,120
Speaker 1: thirty six and of penetration with that arrow. Um, which

2086
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:45,640
Speaker 1: is pretty good. That's great. Um. Like I said, I

2087
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:47,480
Speaker 1: think had it not been that inch thick hide on

2088
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 1: his chest, the broadhead would have been poking out if

2089
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 1: not had gone all the way through, you know, but

2090
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:56,720
Speaker 1: it stopped it. Um. But yeah, so it worked well

2091
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: and it was cool because we got to dissect it.

2092
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:02,360
Speaker 1: Troy has um he used to be a respiratory therapist,

2093
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 1: so he's very uh intimate knowledge about the respiratory system

2094
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 1: and how that all that stuff works. So it's cool

2095
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: hanging out with the guy that not only can just go, oh, yeah,

2096
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 1: those are lungs and that's the heart, which we all

2097
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:14,840
Speaker 1: can point to and do that, but how it all

2098
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 1: comes together and the different parts of the lungs and

2099
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: why there's you know, three lobes of the long here

2100
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 1: and not da dada da and all that stuff, and

2101
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 1: how come it's better to hit the lungs up front here, etcetera, etcetera. Um,

2102
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that was a nil guy hunt. It

2103
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:35,600
Speaker 1: was hard to drag that thing. I could not drag

2104
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:37,960
Speaker 1: it by myself. I can tell you that, like, not

2105
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 1: even move it for for a picture. And it took

2106
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:43,600
Speaker 1: three of us. You know, he was pretty easy. Then

2107
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: have you guys tried to eating on it yet we did?

2108
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: I hate it is not well again, it's just one piece,

2109
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: just a loin, But I felt like yours was pretty tough. Um. Interesting,

2110
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 1: I've been I'm I mean, I've I guess I've hunted.

2111
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: No guy four times total, like only once was it

2112
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 1: a dedicated no guy hunt. But I've never had tough meat,

2113
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 1: and I've served him in my restaurants. Uh, but you

2114
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 1: know from Broken Air Ranch, these are still animals that

2115
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 1: are I mean they're in high fence, but it's they're

2116
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 1: still shot. Yeah, it's a few hundred thousand acres of

2117
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 1: high fence and they're still shot. And I've never we've never, ever,

2118
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: ever once served tough meat and not we're not. We

2119
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 1: don't serve the loin. We start the legs um and

2120
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: it's still supertendent. When we get our Warner Brunt. What's that?

2121
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 1: When we get our Warner brunsler sheer force test and

2122
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 1: bring some of that too. Yeah, you can bring some

2123
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 1: of yours in. I don't have any left of mind.

2124
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd like to bring most of years

2125
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 1: into burger. I'd like to bring a chunk of my

2126
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:44,520
Speaker 1: I got some orcs waiting for dinner to night, but

2127
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:46,440
Speaker 1: I would like to bring a hunk of that and

2128
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 1: throw it on the old tester. My question for you

2129
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:50,600
Speaker 1: is we should have Chester run it so he can

2130
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,320
Speaker 1: go back to be in Chester with the tester. Do

2131
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 1: you know me? Like the official administer Chester. I'd love

2132
02:03:56,440 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: to because then it would be like a great we

2133
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,320
Speaker 1: only have to buy one lab coat. One lab coat

2134
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: for Chester was sort of a selling point. Um, like

2135
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: are you doing like a M medium rare type preparation

2136
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:21,640
Speaker 1: super rare? You are, yeah, so we'll serve it as

2137
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: tartar a lot will serve to um and does that

2138
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: work that you can? But is there something like it's

2139
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: it's like free range gun harvested or do they trap them? No,

2140
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: gun harvested. But but you'r X. You're getting out of

2141
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,480
Speaker 1: Texas into Georgia, so you can do that. Well, I

2142
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know if you could do it everywhere. I know

2143
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 1: that these guys that broken Ara Ranch can do it.

2144
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 1: You know they have they have that set up. But

2145
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:50,920
Speaker 1: they're also so this is helicopter hunting that they're doing

2146
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 1: as well, and it's going through us D A inspection. Correct,

2147
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:57,200
Speaker 1: there's the us D A processor on site. Like that's

2148
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 1: a process us so. Um, but I'm we call everything

2149
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 1: is harvested to order. So like we call them in

2150
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:06,320
Speaker 1: and say, look we're looking for you know, this is

2151
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 1: what we need. Uh, and then we have to kind

2152
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,560
Speaker 1: of wait it out for them to go harvest him

2153
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:11,480
Speaker 1: when noil guy, it's never an issue because the populations,

2154
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 1: as you said, are so huge and honestly, they already

2155
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: they were telling me that they're running into issues, some

2156
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 1: sort of pressure from political pressure um with nail guy

2157
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:25,840
Speaker 1: because of this um this like bovine fever tick that that. Yeah,

2158
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 1: they're doing that and they're like trying to inoculate them

2159
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 1: with these sprayers. So it's like what they explained to

2160
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:32,800
Speaker 1: me is that, you know, this has been a serious

2161
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:36,080
Speaker 1: issue like back in the Yeah, exactly. It's not that

2162
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 1: it it doesn't in any way actually affect the nil guy,

2163
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,839
Speaker 1: the nil guy or the carrier. Um. It massively affects

2164
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:45,320
Speaker 1: cattle and once the thing someone looked at them it's

2165
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:49,880
Speaker 1: a fever tick like they call it a cattle and yeah,

2166
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,240
Speaker 1: I know that that's causing heat between ranchers and nil

2167
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:54,360
Speaker 1: guy exactly. And it's I mean, the issue is that

2168
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, Texas lost like of its

2169
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,680
Speaker 1: cattle population to this tick. And that's why there's that

2170
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 1: quarantine zone in between the Texas and Mexico border where

2171
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:06,960
Speaker 1: they literally you know, you have cowboys patrolling it every

2172
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:10,440
Speaker 1: single day, pushing cattle back onto Mexico or keeping US

2173
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: cattle away from that zone. But the noil guy, they

2174
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 1: don't respond to bait, you know, So you can't bait

2175
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 1: him into um with cattle and white tail. They literally

2176
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,560
Speaker 1: walk them through a like through a tick bath, and

2177
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,160
Speaker 1: that's how they deal with it. Yeah, that we covered

2178
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 1: on the podcast a couple of years ago. I remember

2179
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 1: we covered that a live show um where oh speaking,

2180
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:34,120
Speaker 1: which we're doing a live showing buildings a couple of

2181
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 1: months three. I'll talk about that for a second. Well, yeah,

2182
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 1: what's that. Yeah, we're doing a live showing buildings I

2183
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 1: May three as part of the show. During the whole show,

2184
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: Seth's gonna be flashing in the flip flops. See there

2185
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: you go. That's your double. There's gonna be a dramatic spotlight,

2186
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:56,200
Speaker 1: like like the most dramatic theater lighting you've ever seen,

2187
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 1: and he can't talk, illuminating seths work area, and he'll

2188
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:03,360
Speaker 1: be flashing and stretching for the whole show. The show sucks.

2189
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,640
Speaker 1: The show sucks. You just watch Seth for ninety minute,

2190
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 1: and I believe believe you buy a ticket, you're gonna

2191
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 1: get a copy of the new book with tickets. So

2192
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 1: it's that's like publication week of Outdoor Kids in an

2193
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:20,600
Speaker 1: indoor Yeah, if you need it, if you need a

2194
02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:23,440
Speaker 1: reference point inside world. Yeah, we went back and forth

2195
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 1: in it, so damn many times. Outdoor Kids in an

2196
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,720
Speaker 1: Inside World. That's publication week. May third live show and buildings,

2197
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: and we're bundling tickets with a book, and we'll talk

2198
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot about that type of stuff and about our

2199
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 1: kids and our sports. That's gonna flash. I wish we

2200
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:41,200
Speaker 1: could think where you had a little wood stove set

2201
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:43,280
Speaker 1: next year and you could be burning raccoon fat in it,

2202
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's the fire department. Yeah,

2203
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 1: uh Yanni. We should have a meat eater cooks with

2204
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:51,320
Speaker 1: you're no guy. It's I mean, they produced a lot

2205
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:56,240
Speaker 1: of meat, so you should have. So when you um,

2206
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:57,840
Speaker 1: when you're selling it, what do you sell it as?

2207
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 1: We generally we sell We used to write nil guy,

2208
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 1: but then people they couldn't pronounce it, so like people

2209
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:06,960
Speaker 1: don't order things they can't say they feel like they

2210
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 1: don't want to feel stupid, So we've got to pass

2211
02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:13,200
Speaker 1: up in Yeah, so we just put South Texas Antelope

2212
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:17,440
Speaker 1: like and then we sell it that way. Really yeah, yeah,

2213
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: don't do a little parentheses. We so, you know, a

2214
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,320
Speaker 1: gun show, we go to the table and tell you.

2215
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 1: So we say, no guy, but on the written menu

2216
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 1: it says South Texas antelope, and so we'll go, hey, guys,

2217
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 1: this is the antelope. It's it's actually the animals, something

2218
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 1: called a nil guy, which means blue bull, roughly translated

2219
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:35,960
Speaker 1: from Hindu da da da da da. We give them

2220
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 1: the explanation, so yeah, I'm with you. Sell it that way,

2221
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:41,800
Speaker 1: and it sells the fucking love it. They lose their minds.

2222
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:44,520
Speaker 1: Are you afraid about giving up your source? Because because no,

2223
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 1: not at all, And in fact I would act no,

2224
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:49,040
Speaker 1: I would. I would bang the drum for those guys,

2225
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:52,800
Speaker 1: because um, yeah, we get black buck from them. Um,

2226
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:57,480
Speaker 1: we get nil guy, we get um what else do

2227
02:08:57,480 --> 02:09:01,080
Speaker 1: we get from We don't actually get hogs them, but

2228
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 1: but we could certainly be getting hogs from them. Um,

2229
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:06,000
Speaker 1: we can get fallow deer on occasion, on a rare

2230
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 1: occasion from them, just you know, kind of a luck

2231
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 1: of the draw thing. They'll call me and say saw

2232
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 1: a fallow dear today, like that kind of thing, So um,

2233
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah, exactly, do you buy a guy

2234
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 1: by the pound. Yeah, it's expensive. Give me a rough ballpark.

2235
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the part that I'm probably like

2236
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:24,760
Speaker 1: throwing them, like throwing them under the bus here. Just

2237
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a rough ballpark. You could be in the

2238
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:31,280
Speaker 1: thirties and forties a pound, you know, so that's the meat,

2239
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,920
Speaker 1: not live waight correct. Yeah, And I mean we mistakenly

2240
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:37,640
Speaker 1: one time bought a whole Neil guy. That was not

2241
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:41,040
Speaker 1: a good decision. Turns out that's really hard to you know,

2242
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 1: when you had a restaurant, you're like, all right, well,

2243
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 1: now the rest of the walk in is just for

2244
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 1: storing this. Um Like yeah exactly. We ordered two sides

2245
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:51,520
Speaker 1: of nil gay and they were like, you don't want that,

2246
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, I do. We process everything in house,

2247
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:56,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, idiot, So they said it. Um,

2248
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 1: it's also cost the fortune. It was the most expensive

2249
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 1: thing to ship in the universe. That um now we

2250
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 1: get now we get sometimes bone in meat. But we

2251
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:07,600
Speaker 1: actually we've just worked with them for so long, forever

2252
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,120
Speaker 1: a decade. Now that they've gotten where they will kind

2253
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:12,280
Speaker 1: of custom send stuff to me. You know, if I

2254
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:14,000
Speaker 1: tell them this is what I want, if I if

2255
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:17,280
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta and I walked in the Gun Show, Uh,

2256
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:19,760
Speaker 1: is it on the menu right now? Actually, it might

2257
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 1: be on the menu right now. I have to look

2258
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: and see. We you know, Gun Show rewrites the menu

2259
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, if you always got a thing going, no,

2260
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:29,760
Speaker 1: we all we generally have some form of a game

2261
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:34,480
Speaker 1: product at all times. Um. But I think right now

2262
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 1: we are selling Feral Hog because we just filmed Safertooth

2263
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: there and so we're still doing that. But that's what

2264
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, when I was when I was talking about

2265
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 1: game and restaurants, I need to expand the list of

2266
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:48,440
Speaker 1: things I think that are worth recommending to people, and

2267
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, rather than buying like like like a lot

2268
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 1: of stuff about of Texas. Like I always think like

2269
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 1: bison is a great thing to buy because it supports

2270
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:59,720
Speaker 1: the animal, not vice versa. Um, I think no guys

2271
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:04,800
Speaker 1: like that. I definitely don't like the pendelk operations, right,

2272
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: but there's so many like those Ferrells out of Texas. Yeah,

2273
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,760
Speaker 1: I think, especially the exotics out of Texas. I think

2274
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:12,880
Speaker 1: you really should. I think more chefs should be using them.

2275
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:16,000
Speaker 1: Nil Guy especially honestly, like nil Guy populations are getting

2276
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: super high there are a lot of people in power

2277
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 1: who want massive calling to take place. Um, if there

2278
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 1: was an economy behind that meat going to actually be

2279
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,240
Speaker 1: used as opposed to just being shot and left, um,

2280
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:30,080
Speaker 1: I would that would be a lot better situation. They're

2281
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna have to reduce the population one

2282
02:11:32,040 --> 02:11:33,960
Speaker 1: way or the other, and I'd rather people be selling

2283
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,800
Speaker 1: them in restaurants personally, do you uh, when you guys

2284
02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:39,240
Speaker 1: grind it? Do you ever grind it? Now? We never do.

2285
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 1: If we're grinding, you put some fat in it? Right?

2286
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's it's just non existent for the

2287
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:48,360
Speaker 1: best part. So any preparation we do is always paired

2288
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:50,600
Speaker 1: against a ton of fat. So that's why tartar works

2289
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 1: really great, because you're talking raw meat that's folded in

2290
02:11:53,960 --> 02:11:56,120
Speaker 1: with egg yolks and things like that, so it rich.

2291
02:11:56,280 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 1: It adds that richness back to it. It's actually that's

2292
02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:01,600
Speaker 1: one of the best preparations for super lean meat because

2293
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:05,040
Speaker 1: it bounces out that fact, did you save the hide

2294
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,440
Speaker 1: on that thing? I did not? I I did, and

2295
02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:10,600
Speaker 1: I wish I would have handled mine better because later

2296
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to have it laminated to that. You know

2297
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,040
Speaker 1: that how Brad has that one it's like got that

2298
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: rubber stuff on the underside and it lays out like

2299
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:21,680
Speaker 1: real flat and beautiful. I hadn't noticed it. You haven't

2300
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 1: seen that, dude. It's amazing, amazing, and what's the years?

2301
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Just kind of wrinkly, just and I should I wish i'd.

2302
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:30,600
Speaker 1: If I could do it all over again, I would

2303
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 1: have gone in and skinned it very carefully and sent

2304
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: it to like a like a delicate tannery and had

2305
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:43,360
Speaker 1: it laminated to that. Because the thing about those is

2306
02:12:43,560 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 1: they laminated to this rubber stuff. And that's some bitch.

2307
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:49,240
Speaker 1: Lays so flat you could run a vacuum over it

2308
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: like flat. I just found it dulls your knives like

2309
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:57,880
Speaker 1: you're processing knives like crazy because that skin is so gnarly. Yeah,

2310
02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:01,600
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Yeah, get on his flank is he's got

2311
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 1: like a wild pig shield and that crazy hair. Yeah yeah,

2312
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:08,840
Speaker 1: exactly like you decided to cut a wire brush up

2313
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: with your knife. Exactly. Yeah, honest, you should talk about

2314
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:16,760
Speaker 1: that that patch that you that patch of hide that's

2315
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:20,120
Speaker 1: super thick that you post a picture of that already did.

2316
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, basically from you know, why you said tonight

2317
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:30,400
Speaker 1: is because this room feels like the evening together, I

2318
02:13:30,440 --> 02:13:34,240
Speaker 1: was going to start dipping some strawberries and chocolate. Our

2319
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:36,839
Speaker 1: our track lighting is out. We got some mood lamps

2320
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 1: going oh yeah, dude, but yeah, basically from from lavender

2321
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 1: candle really sets it off from the tips of their

2322
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:47,520
Speaker 1: shoulders wrapping around the you know, their chest, the hide

2323
02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:50,800
Speaker 1: goes from It's still a dang thick and tough hide

2324
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 1: behind that, you know, going towards the rear of the animal,

2325
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:57,040
Speaker 1: but that chest it literally turns into darn near an

2326
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 1: inch thick. It's not like it almost looks like it's

2327
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,560
Speaker 1: a layer of fat, but it's not. I mean, it's

2328
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:05,880
Speaker 1: an inch thick hide. And the best we can figure, well,

2329
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:08,600
Speaker 1: there's probably two reasons. One when you're fighting sharp ass hordes,

2330
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:10,560
Speaker 1: when you're fighting with your buddies. And yeah, the bull

2331
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:12,600
Speaker 1: I killed the same thing with the bull you killed.

2332
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 1: It had three holes in it where you could take

2333
02:14:15,160 --> 02:14:17,880
Speaker 1: your pointer finger and just and and jam it to

2334
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,560
Speaker 1: the second knuckle in there and then you'd feel the

2335
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:23,680
Speaker 1: end of it. Right, So they're constantly getting these wounds.

2336
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:26,640
Speaker 1: But also think somebody pointed out on Instagram that like, yeah,

2337
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:31,320
Speaker 1: they also where they are originally from Bengal tigers chase

2338
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:33,840
Speaker 1: them around, you know, and and jump on their neck.

2339
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:37,840
Speaker 1: So that could be a pat because that might be

2340
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:43,280
Speaker 1: why their radar, like their long range radar, is calibrated,

2341
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:46,120
Speaker 1: the risk calibration is different than the risk calibration on

2342
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:49,000
Speaker 1: their short range radar. They also have not great sense

2343
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 1: of smell. I've always been told like that, don't really

2344
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 1: worry about the wind when you're hunting nail Guy, Like

2345
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:55,640
Speaker 1: they don't smell that great. But we were told that too,

2346
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,280
Speaker 1: and I had instances where I think I felt the

2347
02:14:59,320 --> 02:15:01,320
Speaker 1: wind on my neck, didn't get winded, and then had

2348
02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:03,720
Speaker 1: instances to where I'm like, the only way we just

2349
02:15:03,720 --> 02:15:06,320
Speaker 1: got busses because we got winded. So um, I was

2350
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:09,000
Speaker 1: reading something a while back after the last Neil Guy

2351
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 1: hunt that I was on um about the fact that

2352
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 1: in India, you know, we call him an antelope, they

2353
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 1: consider them cattle and so they're they're sacred just like

2354
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:22,960
Speaker 1: any other. Yeah, they don't eat them. Yeah, for that reason,

2355
02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:25,400
Speaker 1: that all of their pressure in their native environment was

2356
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 1: actually from colonialism, like from you know, English folks hunting them.

2357
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:31,680
Speaker 1: So they don't hunt them, they don't do anything with them.

2358
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 1: They just let them do their thing. Interesting. Oh ye, honest,

2359
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:39,560
Speaker 1: when when can people go watch The hunt Man? May

2360
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:49,000
Speaker 1: of yeah, that because that's the schedule that um only yeah,

2361
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean I'm working to push that up a little bit.

2362
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:55,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, this this production house is a busy

2363
02:15:55,160 --> 02:16:00,240
Speaker 1: production house. And and I'm filming a year out. Huh,

2364
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:06,800
Speaker 1: Janni dies, we won't even really feel it for a while. Yeah,

2365
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 1: as long as plenty of stuff coming, as long as

2366
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:14,000
Speaker 1: you can come in and uh, you know, do my

2367
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:15,960
Speaker 1: v O for me, Yeah, it would be good. We

2368
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:19,640
Speaker 1: got plenty of time to find a stand in maybe

2369
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:25,280
Speaker 1: like wow, yeah, yeah, over a year, like we're playing

2370
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm playing anything like that. Yeah, I mean we're we're

2371
02:16:30,040 --> 02:16:35,240
Speaker 1: editing and putting out season three of my show, which

2372
02:16:35,240 --> 02:16:38,360
Speaker 1: will be out this May and then but this was

2373
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 1: already filming for season four. I can tell you three.

2374
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:43,680
Speaker 1: The last week of July, I'll be out my fish check.

2375
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:46,680
Speaker 1: That's about it. That's about it, and I'll be watching

2376
02:16:46,720 --> 02:16:52,320
Speaker 1: Yanni's thinking May Yeah yeah, um yeah, my. I think

2377
02:16:52,720 --> 02:16:55,120
Speaker 1: the last thought on that, which was cool to hang

2378
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,280
Speaker 1: out hang out with Troy, being that he knew the

2379
02:16:57,320 --> 02:17:00,160
Speaker 1: insides of the animal. He puts a lot of emphasis

2380
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:03,120
Speaker 1: on that, like we all should know that, and it

2381
02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:05,120
Speaker 1: makes total sense, right, like we all kind of know,

2382
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 1: like you know where to shoot the animal, right, but

2383
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:11,400
Speaker 1: right neal boiler room. Yeah, exactly, that's like the level

2384
02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:15,360
Speaker 1: of detail, right. And all we heard about was how

2385
02:17:15,400 --> 02:17:18,520
Speaker 1: their vitals were like way up front and it's blocked

2386
02:17:18,560 --> 02:17:20,520
Speaker 1: by the big shoulder. Well, you know what when we

2387
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 1: did this like side view netcrop scene, literally just like

2388
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:27,720
Speaker 1: left everything as it was and took the shoulder off,

2389
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:30,600
Speaker 1: flipped the ridge cape cage open so you could see

2390
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:33,240
Speaker 1: it all. But it turns out, no, it really wasn't

2391
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 1: tucked up more than an elk or yeah, kind of

2392
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:39,080
Speaker 1: where you think it would be. I think that's I

2393
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:41,440
Speaker 1: think that's a misnomer due to this whole antelymp thing

2394
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:44,480
Speaker 1: because something like a scimitar orys that's very much the

2395
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:47,320
Speaker 1: case that I mean, it's it's vitals are that little

2396
02:17:47,320 --> 02:17:49,200
Speaker 1: orange stripe on the front of it is where they

2397
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:51,560
Speaker 1: all live. And if you shoot behind that, so you're

2398
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:54,039
Speaker 1: shooting in front of the front shoulder, Like if you

2399
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:55,880
Speaker 1: get behind that, it's just gonna pass through and it's

2400
02:17:55,879 --> 02:17:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna just I mean, it will probably die eventually, but

2401
02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:01,520
Speaker 1: it's just gonna trod on away. But yeah, just the

2402
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 1: importance I think that, you know, we should all take

2403
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:06,439
Speaker 1: the time. Like I think now I'm gonna like netcropsy

2404
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:08,600
Speaker 1: like every unless I'm just out of time and it's

2405
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:12,039
Speaker 1: super dark, but like it's so educational to take the

2406
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,560
Speaker 1: time and as you're butchering, you know, really look and

2407
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:17,800
Speaker 1: see what happened inside there, what what your bullet did,

2408
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,520
Speaker 1: what your arrow did, and try to figure it out,

2409
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:22,120
Speaker 1: you know. And I just think the next time you

2410
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 1: take a shot, you're gonna be that much more confident

2411
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:27,720
Speaker 1: about Like, Okay, I'm not just aiming for the longest,

2412
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm aiming for this specific thing. Did you settle on

2413
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:35,039
Speaker 1: netcropsy after consideration of necropsy? I've heard of both ways. Well,

2414
02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:38,400
Speaker 1: I thought that long ago we were corrected to say netcropsy.

2415
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think both are right. Yeah, it's

2416
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:46,560
Speaker 1: like coups and cows. Yeah, I still think that you say,

2417
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:50,959
Speaker 1: Bagel kind of messed up. But Bagel, I don't know

2418
02:18:50,959 --> 02:18:56,280
Speaker 1: what you say it once Bagel, bagelage Bagel. You know

2419
02:18:56,320 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 1: you want to Bagel, I can't do it. Say where

2420
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing it. It's like he's Bagel. He's corrected

2421
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:06,120
Speaker 1: I think, okay, he's a bag old guy. Yeah, well

2422
02:19:06,120 --> 02:19:09,080
Speaker 1: I know, but yeah, I'm trying to get it right. No,

2423
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:12,440
Speaker 1: I would be like ride it down to be like

2424
02:19:13,360 --> 02:19:23,040
Speaker 1: natural space bag bag. It's definitely big. It's a little

2425
02:19:23,160 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 1: vague bag bag, say it once, vague vague. I didn't

2426
02:19:30,400 --> 02:19:31,800
Speaker 1: get one of those jobs where you pronounced stuff on

2427
02:19:31,800 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 1: the internet. You just you just you just recorded an

2428
02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:39,199
Speaker 1: audio book. So I'll say it all a lot of ways.

2429
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:44,160
Speaker 1: Give him three for everyone, like none of these are correct.

2430
02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:46,520
Speaker 1: By the way, I'll start off bigging like I don't know.

2431
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:49,480
Speaker 1: You could say, yeah, I think these are all fine,

2432
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:52,320
Speaker 1: They're all acceptable. You should do an app like Siri

2433
02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:55,520
Speaker 1: where people can just like down you just record everything

2434
02:19:55,680 --> 02:20:04,640
Speaker 1: like questions, tast bagel crops. Before we wrap up here,

2435
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:07,600
Speaker 1: I just want to mention that new Yanni's book report

2436
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:10,560
Speaker 1: jingle you heard up top. Oh that was just sent

2437
02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:12,520
Speaker 1: in by some guy. Yeah, his name is Barry Rigby.

2438
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:16,720
Speaker 1: So thanks for writing that and sending that in serious. Yeah, yeah,

2439
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:21,360
Speaker 1: Yanni pointed that out to me. Oh, next time we record,

2440
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:23,480
Speaker 1: remind me to tell you the story about the fleas

2441
02:20:23,480 --> 02:20:27,800
Speaker 1: over at my house. My skin is still crawling. I

2442
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:31,360
Speaker 1: had to get the shower, getting getting himself in trouble,

2443
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. Well, there's only the reason we

2444
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 1: can't talk about that around that time. It's funny story, Kevin,

2445
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Thanks man, Good seeing you by, guys. I'll be back

2446
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:45,480
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. We'll pick up where we

2447
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:50,200
Speaker 1: left off. Yeah, because I had I had a bite

2448
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:55,440
Speaker 1: of your to go to gross from from gross to great.

2449
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:57,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, we should have done it the other way around.

2450
02:20:57,879 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 1: Hog holiday ham Ye like wet ass s exactly. Yeah. So,

2451
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:08,320
Speaker 1: by the way, those things don't taste. Did Garrett tell

2452
02:21:08,360 --> 02:21:09,879
Speaker 1: you that he has an extra one at his house?

2453
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 1: He probably didn't tell you that any I knew. I

2454
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:14,480
Speaker 1: knew he was going to hold out on you, guys.

2455
02:21:14,520 --> 02:21:16,440
Speaker 1: There's a whole other ham at his house that'll be

2456
02:21:16,480 --> 02:21:21,080
Speaker 1: ready to be smoked. Hold his feet over the fire

2457
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 1: on the twelve. He's got to pull that thing out

2458
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:25,160
Speaker 1: of the brine and cook it. That was I'm not joking.

2459
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,200
Speaker 1: I hope Jesse Griffiths isn't listening. That might be the

2460
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:31,240
Speaker 1: best thing I ever ate. That might be the best

2461
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:32,920
Speaker 1: thing I ever ate. That came off a wild pig.

2462
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:37,480
Speaker 1: Did you hear that, Jesse? Hold on let me put

2463
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:40,240
Speaker 1: you on speaker. No, seriously, I've got four of those

2464
02:21:40,280 --> 02:21:43,600
Speaker 1: hams in the freezer right now, so you could send that.

2465
02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:47,800
Speaker 1: We filmed that recipe yesterday, so but I can't wait

2466
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:49,959
Speaker 1: six months. No, But I mean, like I feel like

2467
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 1: you could probably get access to some of that footage.

2468
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:54,760
Speaker 1: But I'll send you the recipe. It's actually if anybody

2469
02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:58,240
Speaker 1: like preliminarily wants that recipe. Um, if you have my

2470
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:01,760
Speaker 1: second cookbook, Pure Pork Awesomeness, it's in there. It's just

2471
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:04,320
Speaker 1: not set for for Farrell Hogs. But you don't need

2472
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:06,240
Speaker 1: to you don't need to adjust it like you use

2473
02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:10,840
Speaker 1: the exact same recipe. It's in there. Go get it.

2474
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:13,959
Speaker 1: Is there still some in the fridge. So I saw

2475
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:18,400
Speaker 1: Sean Wever was sacking it up. Yeah what Yeah? No,

2476
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,480
Speaker 1: I thought he was like loaded in a sack, taking

2477
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:30,160
Speaker 1: it with him to say, loading it into a double

2478
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:33,039
Speaker 1: like a double ziplock, kind of a messy double zip

2479
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:35,600
Speaker 1: block situation. He put it in a handkerchief and tight

2480
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:41,959
Speaker 1: around a stick. And then yeah, he's like, I was

2481
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:43,640
Speaker 1: planning to leave this afternoon, but turns out you can

2482
02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:46,560
Speaker 1: go right now. See if Bye? All right, man, guys,

2483
02:22:46,560 --> 02:23:02,760
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody p