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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson

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Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. One of our episodes this week

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Speaker 1: was on Koweita Edar. Yes, I have a couple of

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Speaker 1: things that I noted that I originally was trying to

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Speaker 1: work into the episode, and that was just not a

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Speaker 1: great place to put them. They're not specifically about her.

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Speaker 1: They are about people that she was connected to in

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Speaker 1: her life. One of them was Leonora Viegas de Magnon,

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Speaker 1: who was the person who founded La Cruz Blanca, who

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Speaker 1: went on that trek across the river to get into Mexico,

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Speaker 1: pretending to hold a gun on the driver when it

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Speaker 1: was really a whiskey bottle. So her memoir is called

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Speaker 1: La Rebelde or the Rebel, And I had just sort

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Speaker 1: of assumed that this was a nickname that she was

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Speaker 1: given because of her sort of spirit and personality and

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Speaker 1: a lot of work that she was doing during these

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Speaker 1: years doing social activism and you know, founding a counterpart

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Speaker 1: to the Red Cross to work during the Mexican No,

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Speaker 1: it was the nickname that she got as a newborn.

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Speaker 1: According to her to her memoir, So this turned out

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Speaker 1: to be a very fitting nickname for her. But the

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Speaker 1: story that she told in her memoir was that when

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Speaker 1: she was born in Nuevo Loedo in eighteen seventy six,

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Speaker 1: soldiers had come to their home looking for rebels and

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Speaker 1: she had just been born and her father like opened

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Speaker 1: the door to the room where you know, her mother

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Speaker 1: had just given birth to her and was like, here's

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Speaker 1: it's a tiny, screaming baby. I liked that story a lot.

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Speaker 1: The other is that we kind of mentioned that the

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Speaker 1: whole our family was like really politically active and aware

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Speaker 1: and doing stuff. We talked about her brother Eduardo being

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Speaker 1: one of the founders of LULAC. Another is her brother Clemente,

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Speaker 1: and Clemente did a lot of work as an activist

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Speaker 1: and also as a labor organizer, and he was the

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Speaker 1: first Mexican American organizer to be hired by the American

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Speaker 1: Federation of Labor. I feel like we have talked about

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Speaker 1: people being labor organizers a lot on the show. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we've ever defined what that is, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I fully understood what that is

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Speaker 1: until being in a union. The organizers are the people

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Speaker 1: who are like talking to everybody, trying to get people

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Speaker 1: on board with joining union, forming a union, working toward

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Speaker 1: the goals that the union is collectively trying to achieve.

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Speaker 1: It is a really hard job. And so one of

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Speaker 1: that people thought that the American Federation of Labor was

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Speaker 1: being biased toward Mexican workers. There weren't any people who

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Speaker 1: could speak directly to the needs of Mexican and Mexican

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Speaker 1: American workers or necessarily even spoke the same language. So

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Speaker 1: there was a labor organization for Mexicans called La Confederacial

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Speaker 1: and Regional Obrera MEHHANA, and that organization had basically accused

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Speaker 1: the AFL of bias, and then after that, Clemente Edar

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Speaker 1: was hired to work for them as a labor organizer. Reportedly,

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Speaker 1: much later in his life, President Franklin Roosevelt asked Clemente

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Speaker 1: Adar to serve as the Secretary of Labor, but he

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Speaker 1: had to say no because he was having trouble with

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Speaker 1: his health. He had developed diabetes as well, and he

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Speaker 1: died in nineteen thirty four and That's one of those

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Speaker 1: things where I don't know if there's official documentation of

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Speaker 1: this offer being made, but it was definitely something that

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Speaker 1: was talked about within the family. Such a busy group,

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Speaker 1: very very busy. Like whenever we talk about a situation

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Speaker 1: like this where it's like a family and they're all

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Speaker 1: very involved in activism, I can't help but in my

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Speaker 1: head wonder, what like their dinners are, like, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: are they talking about you know, mundane things like whether

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Speaker 1: or not they're flowers sprouted from the seeds they planted,

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Speaker 1: or are they like all right? We like is it all?

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Speaker 1: Is it all organizing meetings all the time? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it's got to be a mix. That's just

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Speaker 1: how life works. Yeah, I got the impression, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember if it was from an interview or an article

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Speaker 1: that quoted possibly her brother Equiano, who went by ike

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Speaker 1: that like Sunday dinners specifically were like a big time

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Speaker 1: equal rights for Mexicans and Mexican Americans like you do

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Speaker 1: Or were they like, no, we need a space away

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Speaker 1: them as human beings, not as activists, even though obviously

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Speaker 1: I forgot. I have forgotten the name of the person.

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Speaker 1: There is someone who I believe is working on a

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Speaker 1: because so much documentation just isn't there. And at this point,

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Speaker 1: like there may be nieces and nephews still living, but

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Speaker 1: it's possible maybe her siblings, children or grandchildren may have

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Speaker 1: you know, recollections or personal papers or that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: But it's just really challenging. It's just sort of I've

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Speaker 1: had multiple episodes in a row that have turned out

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Speaker 1: has suddenly reminded me that we got a couple of

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Speaker 1: people asking on Facebook whether Dominica Gillolme's son got half

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Speaker 1: of her money when she died. I did not put

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Speaker 1: that into the episode because there was really only one

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Speaker 1: say how much it was, but did say that he

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it does seem like he inherited something. How

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Speaker 1: it's a digression onto a totally different episode. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, house cleaning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we talked about Antonio Caravagio Montano this week.

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Speaker 1: It might be more appropriate to say we struggled through

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Speaker 1: about Portuguese things very often.

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Speaker 1: Evidenced, the reason is that we are not great at

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Speaker 1: pronouncing Portuguese things. It's a very very hard language for

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Speaker 1: me anyway. I think this is probably the case with you. Also.

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Speaker 1: I often feel sort of caught between knowing that our

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Speaker 1: listeners would like to hear about history from a lot

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Speaker 1: of different places and times, and the things that make

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Speaker 1: languages that we're not familiar with, or periods in places

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Speaker 1: Also in terms of pronunciations in particular, we can have

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Speaker 1: Every single time, there was one particular thing I needed

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Speaker 1: Casey will hopefully have made it sound like I don't

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Speaker 1: even though I don't tend to get wordy tattoos, which

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Speaker 1: I'm like I am in love with you. That's just

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Speaker 1: interpreted as having knights, templar associations, some mystical associations. Once

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Speaker 1: assuming there's a vampire somewhere in there. But the thing

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Speaker 1: World Heritage entry on the Cultural Landscape of CenTra, a

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Speaker 1: we make nods to Egyptian history, to you know, other

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Speaker 1: epic poems. The Luciads is not an uncommon thing to

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Speaker 1: Portugal for many people. Apparently Caravagio Montano was kind of

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Speaker 1: obsessed with it. He learned how to he memorized it

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Speaker 1: whole thing if asked from a very young age. And

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Speaker 1: then there's this part of me that's like I have

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Speaker 1: my own perspective on it, because look, I have what

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Speaker 1: most people would affectionately call a kookie house. My house

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Speaker 1: decor is KOOKI we call it the costume that we

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Speaker 1: a lot of colors intermixed with black, like we it's

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Speaker 1: When I go into a home that's really like tastefully decorated,

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