1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: From my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: story of two congressmen who vanished in nine two and 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: my quest to figure out what happened to them. I'm 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: your host, John Waalzac. At the end of every episode, 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I assigned what some lovingly call homework. Ways you can 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: help move this story forward and guess what you have. 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I've heard from so many of you, and I really 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: appreciate your help. In episode two, I asked you to 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: help me find the Ham radio operators who heard a 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: mysterious transmission that allegedly came from the Beggage Box plane. 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: The day it disappeared. I knew that two of the 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Ham operators were dead, but I wasn't sure about the 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: other four. Then I started to hear from you, our listeners. 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: One person who emailed us was Anne Shepherd of Abington, Maryland, 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: and did some sleuthing and figured out that one of 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: the Hams, Ronald Crawford, was actually Donald Crawford. Newspapers misreported 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: his name in nineteen seventy two. Thanks to Anne, our 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: assistant producer Chris Brown was able to speak with Don's 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: son Bain, who clearly remembers the incident. He said his 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: father heard the alleged pilot say the plane was quote sliding. 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: After Anne Leeds continued to flow in, including one from Wyoming, 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: where a couple heard my call for help. They told 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: me they knew a man named Joe Tatum. He lived 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: in an assisted living facility. He might be the Joe Tatum, 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: one of the Hams who heard the mystery transmission. They 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: called him. Turns out he is the Joe Tatum, the 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: last person alive who heard the transmission that's find the plane. 28 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Tatum is eighty three. He lives in Evanston, Wyoming. Can 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: you tell me what did you hear? I heard a 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: play a pilot and a plane more a help? And 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: what did he What did he say? Do you remember 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: what he said? He said he talks to me. HU 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: didn't through the miles south west a juno Alaska, and 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: I made I made a map and had everything backwards 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: because I did not know that there anything about Alaska. 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: I just picked it up on the radio and I 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: went from here. And did you actually speak with him 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: or did you just hear the transmission? Well or the 39 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: transmission but you didn't have a chance to directly speak 40 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: with him. No, I didn't die somewhere huddering through the 41 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: miles from Juno, Alaska in the air, and did he 42 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: say anything else that he did? He say the plane 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: was in distress. Yep, he said that he didn't see 44 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: the plane was distressed. He said he was talking to me. 45 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: I didn't brew the mouth southwest of Juno, and that 46 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: they went down and hit hit the rocks and he 47 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: had three casualties. And there they said the plane was slipping. 48 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: That's all I heard, and then we lost it. Do 49 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: you remember about how long you heard these transmissions for? 50 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Was it a few minutes? Was it? Was it several 51 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: times over the course of an hour? It was so 52 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: probably about five minutes all total at the time hearing 53 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: him trying to talk to him and the plane going down, 54 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: So you heard him while he was in the air, 55 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: and then you say after he crossed he ever then 56 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: after he crashes, because we heard I heard him beIN 57 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: here first and he when he said he was probably 58 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: a hundred thirty miles southwest a Juno. And the next 59 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, he said the planet. Hey, 60 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: he had hit the rocks and he was uh, had 61 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: three casualties. And that's all we can tell you did 62 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: you get a name? No? He he said them, and 63 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: he had three he had uh passion drucon, he had 64 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: three casualties. And didn't you no name, no name or 65 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: nothing like that? All we all I heard was just 66 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: stress on the radio. Did you hear any tale number? Nope? 67 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: And so I found your name in an old newspaper article. 68 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: And as far as I could tell, um, there were 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: I think four to five other men who heard this transmission. Um, 70 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: do you mind if I passed their names by you 71 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: and you tell me if you remember any of them? Yeah, 72 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: go ahead, al Miller, if you find that plane? How 73 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: did that not? Absolutely? Sir? Yes, Um, al Miller, Uh, 74 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: I'm not Victor Parker, Roy Harris. See. Most of these 75 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: guys on the radio then was all under both pretense. 76 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Hey give their r name, And we didn't know who 77 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: was who until we most of us men in that plane. 78 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: When you say under false pretense, you mean just because 79 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: people didn't have official licenses. Yes, Oh, I wasn't a 80 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: true hand operator. I had. I had a CB radio 81 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: strapped down to where I could talk to each about 82 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: anybody I want to do. So, when you picked up 83 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: this transmission, did you pick it up on a HAM 84 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: radio or on a CB radio. I picked it up 85 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: on my HAM receiver and most of them was heard 86 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: on the TB radio. Gotcha, se So just to be clear, 87 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: you you picked it up on on a HAM receiver though, yes, um, 88 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: And then so you know obviously know more about radio 89 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: than me. But you you picked it up on the 90 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: HAM and a CB radio or just on the ham 91 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: he I had it on. I had it on both. 92 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: And the thing about a dish. Uh, he must have 93 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: had channel line in his radio in that plane because 94 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: we had we heard and playing clearer mm hm and 95 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: so um, do you remember any other details about what 96 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: he said? I've slept shimping. And so you said that 97 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: you made a map? Was that just you pulled out 98 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: a map of Alaska and you and you were looking. Oh, 99 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't bu on the map of Alaska. I sat 100 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: down and dragged me a piece of paper, on a 101 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: piece of paper where he was proxiling Matt where he 102 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: was going, and I had it backwards because I didn't 103 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: know that Juno was on the lower end and not 104 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: down on the where he was at. I picked it 105 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: all back for Joash kind of dumbfounded over y I 106 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: feel a little stupid after I learn minute that that 107 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Juno was way down here next door the United States, 108 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: and Alaska was up the end of the day was 109 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: further north. Yeah, John is pretty low and if you're right, 110 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I think you know most people unless you look at 111 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: a map, but you think Alaska and what you think 112 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: of is the northern part, and Juno's, you know, all 113 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the way further down. But um, so, so you know 114 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: you said that he mentioned being did you say a 115 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty or a hundred and thirty miles southwest 116 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: of Juno? I heard him say, talxed me a hundred 117 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: and thirty just to be clear, yep, And um did 118 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: he give you an I'm sorry After I got up 119 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: there and and realized I was stupid that David was backwards, 120 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: I kind of realized that he he wasn't where I 121 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: thought he was because Joana mat back which they took 122 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: the little maps that drawed. The Air Force has got 123 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: it somewhere up there, and so the map that you drew. 124 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Did he give you any other directions or indication other 125 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: than just saying he was a hundred and thirty miles 126 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: southwest of Juneo? No, he didn't have much time to 127 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: give us anything. What did his what did he what 128 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: did he sound like? What was his person? Did he 129 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: sound upset? Was he angry? He needed help? He needed 130 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: help because you could kill his voice and everything that 131 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: he was in trouble and we lost him. Do you 132 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: remember the last thing that you heard from him? I 133 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: think when he said that drew the mouth southwest of Junio, Alaska. 134 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: And so after you heard this transmission, who did you contact? 135 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: What happened afterward? He it rocks and the plane was slipping. 136 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: He had three castles, And did you call the police 137 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: or who did you contact? We called Camp b Or 138 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: I think it was they are based and they said 139 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: they had it all already, and the next morning they 140 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: had us meat at the air base and get on 141 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: a plane and light and what was that experience like this? 142 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: It was a plane ready I've never had. And they 143 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: they throwed the seats out of that big plane. They 144 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: throw it all the seats out of it, lightened it 145 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: up and made room for us to get in it. 146 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: It was a fue legit. So they used And you said, 147 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: the other men that flew up with you to Alaska, 148 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: did you know any of them? Or were they all 149 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: new to you. I thank Swamp Fox, I think was 150 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: one of them moved with us, and I knew. I 151 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: knew of him because I talked to him several times 152 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: and when I went out when I won't buy Channel 153 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: nine picked up. The last little part of what was 154 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: going on, Uh, swamp Fox is when I went to 155 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: first and I think Don Crawford, out of Mary Jane 156 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: was one of the boys. Mm hmye h and uh 157 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Don this type of person. You better be right because 158 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: he don't want a much of bullshit. H he was, 159 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: he was, he was drawing the radio. He picked it 160 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: up from Channel nine and he hildered at me when 161 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: because I'd already went by Channel nine when I first 162 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: picked it up. And then I was trying to get 163 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: somebody done help me because you can only hear so 164 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: much in our radio. And the guy they did need help. 165 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: And I still think he's between Juno and get your 166 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: can or somewhere down in there. And so when you 167 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: went to Alaska, did they were they just asking you 168 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,359 Speaker 1: a million questions? Or what was that process like? In Alaska? 169 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: We said for eighteen hours looking at pictures they had 170 00:12:54,120 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: taken already with the planes, seeing if we recognize anything. Wait, 171 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: they they had you look at pictures of of what 172 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: gives We just went in an office type room and 173 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: sit down and started looking and stuff. What were the 174 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: pictures of? Most of them are shot from the airplane 175 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: from the marriage Yet, yes, when there's locate somebody. So 176 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: they had you that you and the other Ham operators 177 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: looking over photos that they had taken to see if 178 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: you could spot the wreck. Yep, that seems kind of 179 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: seems kind of odd. Do you do you have any 180 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: idea why they would ask you guys to do that 181 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: in particular, Well, they're trying to get see if we 182 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: recognize anything that we might have seen from the air 183 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: and their postures and the thing about it is they 184 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: they took a lot of pictures and did find that 185 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: I think another plane they had been lost several before 186 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: upter in the ice. M hm. I don't know exactly 187 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: what that when there was the understood the did located 188 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: another plane, but it wasn't the one we were looking for. 189 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: And you mentioned you mentioned Don Crawford, who was the 190 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: first person that you mentioned. Uh, swamp Fox was his handle, 191 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: swamp Fox. Do you remember his name? Not all hand 192 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't I slipsin? Do you buy any chance? Do 193 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: you have a diary or any records from nineteen seventy two? No, 194 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: I haven't died, had family problems and divorce and been 195 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: married everything else, and I I haven't. I've got a 196 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: radio upstairs and attitude my work of get death boot 197 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: out of it. And when when you heard this transmission? 198 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Where in California? What city were you living in? I 199 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: was living in Due City, just out of Boreville, California. 200 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: I had an Antennada built and I talked all over 201 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: the world. Was it so? After they talked that, the 202 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Air Force interviewed you guys. What the What Major Stalker, 203 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: who was leading the search command, said was that they 204 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: all believed the HAM operators that you guys were telling 205 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: the truth, but they thought that the transmission was likely 206 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: a hoax. What what do you think about that? Well, 207 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: they they tried telling me that they was hoax. It 208 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: wasn't right, But dang about it is. There was too 209 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: many of us heard it, and I wonder snow connected. 210 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: There was one old man that wi this. I think 211 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: he lived in Olive Hers or somewhere over there, and 212 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: he took an he swore him down that we wish 213 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: trying trying to pull a hoax, and then after he 214 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: heard what went on Nipture, he wanted to know more 215 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: about it too. I've still got I still got part 216 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: of that radio upstairs in the attic. I agree if 217 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I could, if I could record it backwards, sure would 218 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: for you. So you still have part of the radio 219 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: receiver that you used when he received the transmission. I 220 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: talked from California to South Korea. I talked to uh 221 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: ships off the coast of uh Alaska. I talked to 222 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: ships and boats. Uh yeah, it was thank got for Korea. 223 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: That was Curio Korea. At U S. Pennuccio took a 224 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: ship years ago. They if it's a hoax, I want 225 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: to know who where? And Hawaiian because of what I 226 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: heard was somebody in stress warned out, huh. Well, the tower, 227 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: the radio tower that you built, do you remember how 228 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: tall it was or any details about it? That dantanna 229 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: you and the top of a cedar tree. Uh, probably 230 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: a hundred pitch foot in here. And I apologize to 231 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: ask this again, but when you first picked up the 232 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: plane trans us and that was via the hand receiver, 233 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it was only hand receiver. But it was 234 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: on channel nine, which is CB channel. Interesting, Okay, I 235 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: had a habit. In fact, a lot of C beers 236 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: had to have it everything. We decided to change channel. 237 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: You go by channel line and wait a few minutes. 238 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: See if there was anybody want to help, or maybe 239 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: somebody run out of gas, maybe some man of flat 240 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: I could I could pick that up on the radio. 241 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: I went. I went by channel nine. I think I 242 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: probably come off of twenty four or someone in them 243 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: our other channels. I went by a channel nine and 244 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: I heard this. He was he was in dressed, he 245 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: was hutting through the mouth southwest of Alaska, of Juneral 246 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: and he needed help. And I thought Junior was way 247 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: upon the other end Asamashka, and I was wrong. Have 248 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: you ever been interviewed by a journalist before about this? Nope, 249 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: So almost fifty years later, this is the very first 250 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: time you've ever been interviewed about this. I've got a 251 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: phone call here about a week ago. I want to 252 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: know if I was a joke Katman Davis talking about 253 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: and on radio. You know, one of the things since 254 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: we're airing the show is that we're asking people for help. 255 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: And I had one listener who helped me figure out 256 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: that it was Donald not Ronald, so Don Crawford and um. 257 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: And then another listener who found you, and which is 258 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: which is amazing because I've been looking for the longest 259 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: time to try to speak to anybody, and like I said, 260 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: you're you're You're the very last ham who's still alive. 261 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: So if you, if you, if you, if you got 262 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: a call all from Rancor. Yeah, the guy I worked for, 263 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: his son is the one that called me and wanted 264 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: to know if I was the one they was talking about. 265 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Uh huh and uh told me, yeah, I didn't. I 266 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: was there Buka for that thing. I want to find 267 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: out if they valiant. Well what an experience. I'm really 268 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: happy that I found you. I I like I said, 269 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: you're the last one who is alive. And as far 270 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: as I could tell, nobody ever recorded an interview with 271 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: any of the others, and nobody recorded an interview with you, 272 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: So it's a little little piece of history. I'm glad 273 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk with you. Is is 274 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: there anything else that you remember or any questions that 275 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: you want to ask me? If you find out something 276 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to know, Yes, sir, I will call you. Yeah, 277 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: I kind of shot maybe they found something. Well, I'm 278 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: looking for it. True. They kid told me wanting to 279 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: know if I was to warn from l ask you 280 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: they were looking for well cool, Okay, I appreciate it. Joe, 281 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: I know, I know whoo who was now? 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