WEBVTT - Ep. 522: Hammering Hogs with Cam Hanes 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.720 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.320 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by first Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for el, First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com. F I R S T L I t 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.560 E dot com. Everybody, here's a quick Camo news flash 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.040 which Phil's just gonna jam into the episode. Camo's Phil's 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.800 favorite subject. People don't realize that, so he's probably gonna 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.880 want to jam this in right up top. On social media, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.800 you might have been seeing lately that me and some 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.639 of the other guys that hunt with have I've been 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.840 working on testing a new camouflage pattern. And because of 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.040 all kinds of stuff with how things go and you're 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.640 developing an idea and working on it, people will ask 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.399 about it. They'll be like, oh, hey, what's that new 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.360 camo and is this going to do that and this 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.520 and that, and we just couldn't talk about it. I'm 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.040 not trying to see them all cryptic. We just couldn't 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.200 talk about it because we're still you know, working on 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.880 and testing and developing the idea. Anyways, now I can 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.960 finally explain it because so many people have asked about it. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.000 It's called Serka coming out from first Light, and it 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.760 is the ultimate Western big game Camo pattern for you, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.520 you know, dedicated Western being Gabe hunters. So if you 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.000 think back on the history of Camo, well, not really 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.959 the deep history, the recent history of Camo, Okay, you 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.039 have all these conventional mimicry patterns which attempt to make 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.440 the where it look like you're part of the environment. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.600 I think back to the old days when like Camo 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.960 would be like sticks or leaves, you know, and you 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.600 look good to the human eye on the shelf because 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.080 you're thinking, what's more natural than a stick. However, when 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.600 you view that stuff at any realistic distance, those overly 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:05.800 complex patterns, they just solidify into a into a coherent shape, okay, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.480 which just makes you more obvious to game. Because you 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.440 look at it up close, you think it looks like sticks. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.240 But you get any distance away and it looks like 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.560 a huge you just look like a dark human shape blob. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.520 So you're thinking it's sweet but it's it's not how 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.320 it works. Like a deer doesn't look at you and 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.840 be like, oh, a big pile of sticks and leaves 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.440 over there, standing out weirdly from its surrounding environment. Right, well, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.079 Sarica uses it's gonna sound fancy, but an optic field 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.240 disruption to maximize concealment. It seems counterintuitive, the idea of it, 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.079 until you consider it, like a tiger or a jaguar, right, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.880 and look how they blend into their environments. So now 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.000 they're gonna they're not covered in twigs and leaves. Sarka 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.800 emulates the predator strategy by using that same like a 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.080 limited palette, like you know, tiger two colors, a limited 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.919 palette of strongly contrasting tones with these sort of these 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.520 structures that appear to crack apart in order to break 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.160 up your outline. Saraha does not make the wear look 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.640 like a tree of rock. It makes you look like 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.720 nothing at all, no discernible pattern. It's great for you know, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.600 sagebrush country, alpine tundra, everything in between, especially those sparse 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.880 landscapes with minimal cover where conventional cameos are really just 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.560 going to turn you into that human shaped blob, so 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.280 check it out. One a half second of confusion makes 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.600 the difference between punch and a tag and getting skunked. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.000 You will want to reach for Saraha cambon and now 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.080 here's what you gotta do. If you want to find 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.440 out more, go to first light dot com and sign 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:38.520 up for notifications about when Sarica gear is available this spring. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:45.360 Thanks. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.600 Okay, everybody, we're in Uh, we're in our remote field 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:58.120 studio in South Texas, maybe forty minutes from Brownsville, Texas, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:03.080 fifteen minutes from Raymondville, Texas, four hours and ten minutes 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:04.960 from Austin, Texas. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.640 In about four hundred yards from our last remote studio 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.000 and four hundred yards from our last remote studio. And 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.440 today we're in we're in what I would call a 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:24.560 post rut environment. Deer seasons deer season is generally closed 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.719 unless you have We're not deer hunting, but deer season's closed. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.640 But I think that some uh, there's some kind of 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:38.679 deal with depredation permits where depredation permits are still valid, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.960 but it's generally shut down to the point where we're 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:46.960 watching a buck who is packing around one antler and we. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.880 Just saw three bucks. One still had two antlers, two 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.720 had zero antlers, And we're just basically going to run 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.520 this podcast until that antler falls off, and then Seth's 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:06.160 gonna run over and retrieve it. It's windy. Yeah, some 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.240 gus will win. There's your one antler buck. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.240 Yeah. He is like very curious about what's happening over there. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.160 Yeah, he's probably never been to a live podcast. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.800 He's not looking at us though, Oh. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.560 Oh, he's looking their direction. Yeah, I can see a 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.960 couple of buzzards. Just to set the scene, Krinn just 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.479 tried to catch an armadillo, but ambassador. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.040 Called Yeah, just called in. Have Alena. That about ran 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:31.520 is over. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.800 That was a voice of special guest Cameron Haynes, who 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.960 felt that Karinn in pursuit of the armadillo. He felt 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.800 that she hesitated. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.760 You never see a lion mountain lion halfway chase something 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.480 and be like, oh no, I'm doing it. 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.680 You know you're right, that's true. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.480 When when the lion goes he's going, he's I mean, 0:05:58.600 --> 0:05:59.839 there's no hesitation. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:01.760 I didn't want to hurt him. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.560 He's like the lions like get hurt. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.600 Yeah, lions don't have empathy. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.840 So she hesitated, and then we earlier tested the metal 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.400 of uh Seth and Max and found out that they 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.320 lack metal. I think when someone's metal, you're testing their 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.360 m E T t l E. Right, yeah, yeah, you're 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.000 not testing their m E t A L. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.560 I think we need to review the footage because I 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:32.600 think Max. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.640 Did a lot more jumping than I definitely did. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.440 When you're doing an experiment where you play a just 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.800 we're going to place more distress calls on him in here. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.400 We did an experiment where you play a distress call 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.279 to a pack of Have a Lina's. And I was 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.120 telling these guys that my experience, twenty five percent of 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:55.279 the time they'll charge, and and I spooped him before 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.400 I could get where I wanted to get, played the 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.640 distress call and we got one to he didn't quite charge. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.800 He was pissed. Yeah, And he came in again. And 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:09.200 he came in and tested Max's metal and found it 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:14.600 to be soft, found the metal to be malleable. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.920 I'm just saying. I was filming and I was looking 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.320 at the screen and then I look up and he's 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.760 like right there, and I'm like, oh, okay. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.840 His metal is aluminum foiler his M E T T 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.440 L E S O F T. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.160 Okay, this is probably not gonna work because we're making 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.880 a shitload of nose. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.360 But percent of time it works every time. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.520 You know, we're gonna talk about a bunch of stop. First, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.400 we're gonna hit this. Let me see how loud this is. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.720 So we did squeaky Jack. That was squeaky Jack on 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.720 the havevelina that responded, And right now we're gonna hit 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.400 I'm thinking shelter beell max shelterbell, yeah, or TN T 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.320 TN T praid of TNT, which would be a rabbit 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.240 in distress. You know here this is a we're uh, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.840 we're using a Lucky Duck revolt caller, and we're in 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.560 the just the sounds that come with it. And I'm 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.360 in the cotton tail folder, and within the cotton tail folder, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:25.320 I have cotton ball like bawl like b a w l, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.560 cry like you're crying, not like I have like your 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.800 applying makeup. I have shelter belt, TNT, silly rabbit, high 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.000 pitch on and on down to bugs, bunny and skid row. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.959 We're gonna lay out some TNT we're gonna do. We're 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:41.520 gonna talk over it. I think I got it fire 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.160 enough a way we can talk over it. We're gonna 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.120 do Volume ten. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.200 Just don't turn it towards us. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.200 I'm not gonna do the turnaround. And we're gonna hitch 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:58.960 TNT and see what we got. Oh, we can easily 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:04.599 talk over that. That's ridiculous. Okay, We're gonna let that 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:13.960 run a while. No, with that on, I need. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:16.719 Stay ready with that long len. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.640 There's no way if a Kyle comes ripping in here, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:22.400 there's no way. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:22.480 What. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.240 I don't think I can get on with that big ones. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.760 You might maybe it's. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.560 Like I was saying, Join the Day by Max Barta, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.440 Seth Morris, myself, cringe Schneider, Hog Hog Slayer, cringe Sneider 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.520 from the last time we were in our studio down 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:48.560 the down the row there and Cameron Haynes, and we're 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.040 gonna do a couple of little quick talking points now, Sath. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.679 I don't know if you're aware of this. I've been 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.160 meaning to tell you this. A listener wrote in and 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.439 and uh, it's afropros of being in the outdoor studio 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.720 because when we were in our other studio down the 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.520 way there, you did you were set in the scene 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.640 similar to how we just set the scene now, and 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.000 you set the scene with a rattling sequence. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:12.360 Yeah, I remember. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.800 The gentleman was, how's the wind killing us? 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:18.520 The wind's not great. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.119 It's not great, but maybe we can just be cognizant 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.479 of where we turn our heads sometimes. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.160 A gentleman wrote in that he was listening to that 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.320 episode and during your rattling sequence, a deer ran by. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.880 Oh yeah, sent that and I thought that it was 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.120 really cool, And then I realized he was driving, which 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.440 makes me think it was purely coincidental. I don't mean 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:40.680 to not. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.480 I don't mean well. When I was reading that, Karin 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.760 forward that email on it. I had thought that I 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.600 had rattled in a book either too. I read it 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.400 twice before I realized you didn't rattle a lot, and 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.240 then yeah, then realized he was driving. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.600 I didn't realize that until after I forwarded it. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.320 Another piece of listener feedback that's appropriate because we're in 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.200 hog country is we reported repeatless. Let me walking back 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.080 through some history on the pig called the lipstick Pig 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.360 or floppy we are. A long time ago did a 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.239 call out where we were looking for great trail cam photos, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.199 crazy trail cam photos. And a guy writes in and 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.600 he sends in a picture of a pig with what 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.720 I said, looked like he had his lipstick out, So 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.720 a pig that was I felt that the pig looked aroused. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:35.120 And we then did a clarification that not that krins 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.600 particularly sensitive, but we did a thing that like a 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.040 great trail cam photo, a crazy trail cam photo is 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.520 not that the pig has his lipstick out. That's just 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.520 you know, and we were trying to define what we 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.040 meant by a great trail camp photo. He wrote in 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.920 to say, you got it all wrong. It stuck out. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.640 It's always like that. So we had a veterinarian on 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.960 We had a veterinarian on the show Divina doctor Divina 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.800 Spencer from Virginia Beach, and she told us all about 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.000 an ailment. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.760 Paramosis. Yes, she told us. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.560 If you listen to that episode, you heard it. She 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.880 told us about parafemosis, and parafemosis is that. And she 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.839 has dealt with this frequently, as she explained on the show, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.280 She's dealt with this frequently, or I shouldn't say frequently. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.880 She's dealt with this with dogs and talked about how 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.040 to treat with dogs and then worst case scenarios they've 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.040 had to do like a penis removal on the dog 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.439 and sort of cut things and tie things in place 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.559 and basically makes like a little like a. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.480 Little pee hole at the hide for it. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.280 Well, then the guy writes back, once we clarified that, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.480 he then writes back that he is gone and shot floppy. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.959 The last photo we get a floppy is it laying 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.560 on his garage floor? And when they skinned it and 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:13.360 butchered it, he found that it's bladder was quote I 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.080 want to get this right, very very quote hugely full 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.959 of urine, really hugely full of urine. And he he 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:27.240 he feels that it was so full, alarmingly full, that 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:33.480 perhaps that he couldn't urinate unless he had a high pressure. Right, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.040 you know what they call that? Uh? 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.920 P h O What does that mean? 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.000 Piss hard on? 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.719 Oh there we go, like when you wake up in 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.120 the morning. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.360 Sure had a piss Sure. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.680 So here, guys, I'm looking at a picture. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.760 I'm looking at a picture of him sitting here in 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.480 the garage. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:58.000 Yeah, for our audience, ptill put this up on video. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.160 But yeah, I think a measuring. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.400 Stick, So I wrong I would have put that picture up. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:05.559 That would have done that. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:08.560 Yeah, bad deal. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.360 Yeah Steve, maybe you put this on behind you too, But. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.960 I put it up and I put the wrong photo up. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.840 I was going to do further reporting on my uh, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.280 phantom groin pain. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.160 I'm not going to get into it. We've covered it. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.240 But somebody wrote in about it. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.040 Multiple people about my phantom grind pain, and I don't 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:27.920 need to get into it anymore. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:28.720 I'm all better. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.720 Now here's someone rolled in and this is an interesting thing. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:39.680 I was telling the story of my father attempting to 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.960 neuter his cat, fig the cat. He tamed a feral 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.680 cat with fish heads and it became the family cat. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.440 And one day he wanted to get it neutered, and 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.560 he took it to a hog farmer body of his 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.720 who's neutered hundreds of hogs and figged and they put 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.080 it in a gunny sack and cut a hole in 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:04.680 the gunny sack and attempted to neuter it, and the 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.960 cat fought him off, as you never heard you want 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.880 to talk about a distress call. And it only lasted 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.120 like a short period of time, and they're like, never mind, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.680 And then the cat lived. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:18.440 The rest of his life. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:25.600 Intact, the guy wrote in saying that a veterinarian wrote 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.400 in twenty seven years as a veterinarian, and he has 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:35.120 neutered untold numbers of tomcats. And he also goes, I'm 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.720 to say I have spent my entire career listening to 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:43.280 men tell me. I've spent my entire career listening to 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.560 men tell me they'll just stick that tomcat in the 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.560 boot and do it themselves instead of paying me to 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:54.000 do it. Usually the wife looks at him, then me, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.840 then rolls her eyes and schedules the appointment. I have 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.280 never once known a person from this generation or the prior, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:11.920 who could neuter a cat without veterinary help. Cattle, hogs, sheep, goats, horses, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:17.560 no problem, Cats, no way. It was refreshing to hear 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.720 a more realistic take on the topic. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.240 Man, it would be intimidated to do a horse. I 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:26.760 feel like. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.480 I wouldn't do a cat. Well, you're an honest man. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.000 Also related to Texas, we have there's a news item, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.120 and this news item was reporting the Wall Street Journal, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.560 and it was about I'd be curious to get your 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:47.560 opinion about this, anyone who's got opinion about this. I'd 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:53.640 be happy to hear it. I'm undecided. A county in Texas, Okay, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:59.240 what county is this? Brizonia County, Texas, south of Houston. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:09.919 There is a plan from a biomedical research firm that 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.159 owns a five hundred acre parcel. Okay, so, Brizoni County, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:18.800 south Houston, Texas. Biomedical research firm Charles River Laboratories, all right. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.879 They own a five hundred acre parcel in what sounds 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.120 like a quiet, nice little community. Their plan is. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.359 To build. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:37.880 A facility that will house forty three thousand, two hundred 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:45.080 monkeys that then can be sold for animal research. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:48.919 Locals. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:55.240 I want you to take a guess locals are excited 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.040 a or be not excited. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:01.440 I'm glad I don't live there. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:12.679 Forty three thousand primates Okay, Now, so you can guess 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.320 that Pete is not crazy about it. The chosen site 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.840 borders land owned and protected by the US Fish and 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.240 Wildlife Service, the Nature Conservancy, and the San Bernard National 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:31.879 Wildlife Refuge. Locals affected, including the locals affected, include veterinarians 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.600 and directors of conservation organizations who are now speaking out 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:42.240 to voice their opposition to the facility. Locals in Brazonia 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.000 County would be a little slice that think they have 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.280 a little slice of Texas, solitaries away from the hub 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.680 of of Houston, and they want to know how much racket? 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.800 How much racket? I'm trying to curious about the sentence. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.000 How much racket does forty three thousand monkeys make? Wouldn't 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.159 it be how much rackt it? 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:02.680 No? Is it right? 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.360 Yeah? How much racket is forty three thousand monkeys make? 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.120 I'm sure they're not quiet. A shrimper had that to say. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.120 He owns eleven hundred acres nearby another neighbor. I thought 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.040 this would be a place to get away from everything. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.120 Now a monkey farm is my neighbor, says a retired 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:29.320 veterinarian who owns nine hundred acres. People were about their 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.760 property values plunging. Now here's where you get into this 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.080 whole thing, Like I would figure when I'm not a taxan. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:36.719 Far from it. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.919 But when Texans like to think of Texans, they like 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.000 to think of people doing what they want on their 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:46.240 own land. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:48.480 Yeah, I would agree with that. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:55.760 Do mass of taxes, Republic of taxes keep Texas weird? No, 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.920 that's not a thing. You know what I'm saying, yeah, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.000 So this throws you into uh the stosie into a 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.480 bind because on one hand you might fancy yourself like 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.880 a property rights person, but then on the other hand 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.240 you get you throw the nimby thing into it. Not 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.280 that's that the acronym for not in my backyard. So 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.760 you're like, in theory, I'm a pro property rights person, 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.639 but not when it comes to putting monkeys by my house. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.840 This is just a private company doing this. 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.760 Yeah, it's a private company doing it. It's not a 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:33.480 government research facility. But like, I don't judge nimby stuff 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.919 because everybody has a little bit of nimby mentality, but 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.320 it does it creates a problem because if you'd have 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.920 gone previously and asked these individuals. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.840 If you'd gone to this, you know, I mean, you know, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:44.199 I don't know. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.520 The guy's probably great, the shrimper that has eleven hundred acres, 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.520 the retired vet that has nine hundred acres. If I'd 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.119 have gone and said knocked on dor and said do 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.960 you feel like people should be able to tell you 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:55.520 what to do on your property? 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.720 Data said hell no or no? 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.840 They would have said hell no, how they is that? 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:11.240 It probably a little deeper voice and like, hell no, mine. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.640 He sounded like it wouldn't have been Biden. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.520 That's not fine, hell little. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.880 Man, No, it would have been hail no partner. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.359 Yeah, hell yeah. I kept thinking of Parker Hall and 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.840 he's like ship no man. Yeah he's not from Texas, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.880 I know, but he's South Yeah, and they all sound 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:31.200 the same. 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:31.480 Yeah. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:36.800 So uh so this is a stumber. But I can 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.119 tell you that as much as I might be like 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.119 a little bit of a you know, generally simple like 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:50.199 generally sympathetic two, generally sympathetic to private property rights up 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:55.360 to the point where you're doing environmental damage to like neighbors. 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.359 Like meaning, if I own a spot and I decide 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.400 I'm gonna dump you know, arsenic in the creek because 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.960 it's my property, and then the guy down the creek 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.280 on the next property's like, dude, you just do arsenic 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.280 in the creek and now it's all over my property. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:09.680 Yeah. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.359 Right, But the monkey thing, I don't know anything about 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.280 that game. Well, how would you roll on that you're 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:16.480 the neighbor of the monkey man? 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.480 I don't want forty three thousand monkeys in my neighborhood. 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:24.399 So you'd be no, i'd be now. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:30.240 I mean, I just have a partner. I just think 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.800 it's inevitable that some of those things are going to 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.080 get out. Yeah, and then what Yeah, well you know 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.359 what the planet of the apes. Yeah, it's not like 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.920 they get out in Montana and they just freeze to death, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:40.119 you know. 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.639 Yeah, that's put in there because there's a good environment 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.040 for Yeah, they're going to get out down here and 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.800 like can establish a population. This is a This is 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.399 an especially appropriate conversation to have here because if you 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.679 sit here for an hour, you see a monkey, you're 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.360 gonna see three things that did get out, Yeah, exactly, 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:05.080 which is more than three new guy water buck, we 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:05.680 saw it. 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:06.159 We saw a. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.000 Red letchwa Is that? 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:11.080 Am I saying that? Right? 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.080 These are all animals that run around in this region, 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.639 not fence from place to place, free range, So stuff 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:25.400 gets out in Texas. Bigfoot question, is it real? 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.200 No, it's a reasonable question. 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.400 And it's based on that bear Bigfoot. 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.760 So yeah, we covered on the probably the we covered 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.720 on one of the goofiest things ever. Not recap it, 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.879