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Speaker 1: E dot com. Everybody, here's a quick Camo news flash

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Speaker 1: which Phil's just gonna jam into the episode. Camo's Phil's

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Speaker 1: favorite subject. People don't realize that, so he's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: want to jam this in right up top. On social media,

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Speaker 1: you might have been seeing lately that me and some

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Speaker 1: of the other guys that hunt with have I've been

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Speaker 1: working on testing a new camouflage pattern. And because of

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff with how things go and you're

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Speaker 1: developing an idea and working on it, people will ask

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Speaker 1: not trying to see them all cryptic. We just couldn't

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Speaker 1: talk about it because we're still you know, working on

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Speaker 1: and testing and developing the idea. Anyways, now I can

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Speaker 1: finally explain it because so many people have asked about it.

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Speaker 1: It's called Serka coming out from first Light, and it

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Speaker 1: is the ultimate Western big game Camo pattern for you,

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Speaker 1: you know, dedicated Western being Gabe hunters. So if you

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Speaker 1: think back on the history of Camo, well, not really

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Speaker 1: the deep history, the recent history of Camo, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: have all these conventional mimicry patterns which attempt to make

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Speaker 1: I think back to the old days when like Camo

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Speaker 1: would be like sticks or leaves, you know, and you

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, what's more natural than a stick. However, when

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Speaker 1: which just makes you more obvious to game. Because you

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Speaker 1: But you get any distance away and it looks like

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Speaker 1: a huge you just look like a dark human shape blob.

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Speaker 1: So you're thinking it's sweet but it's it's not how

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, a big pile of sticks and leaves

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Speaker 1: over there, standing out weirdly from its surrounding environment. Right, well,

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Speaker 1: Sarica uses it's gonna sound fancy, but an optic field

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Speaker 1: disruption to maximize concealment. It seems counterintuitive, the idea of it,

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Speaker 1: until you consider it, like a tiger or a jaguar, right,

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Speaker 1: and look how they blend into their environments. So now

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Speaker 1: emulates the predator strategy by using that same like a

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Speaker 1: structures that appear to crack apart in order to break

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Speaker 1: up your outline. Saraha does not make the wear look

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Speaker 1: like a tree of rock. It makes you look like

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Speaker 1: nothing at all, no discernible pattern. It's great for you know,

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Speaker 1: sagebrush country, alpine tundra, everything in between, especially those sparse

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Speaker 1: landscapes with minimal cover where conventional cameos are really just

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Speaker 1: going to turn you into that human shaped blob, so

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Speaker 1: check it out. One a half second of confusion makes

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Speaker 1: the difference between punch and a tag and getting skunked.

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Speaker 1: You will want to reach for Saraha cambon and now

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Speaker 1: here's what you gotta do. If you want to find

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Speaker 1: out more, go to first light dot com and sign

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Speaker 1: up for notifications about when Sarica gear is available this spring.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, we're in Uh, we're in our remote field

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Speaker 4: In about four hundred yards from our last remote studio

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Speaker 1: That was a voice of special guest Cameron Haynes, who

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Speaker 1: felt that Karinn in pursuit of the armadillo. He felt

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Speaker 1: You know you're right, that's true.

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Speaker 1: When you're doing an experiment where you play a just

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Speaker 1: We did an experiment where you play a distress call

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna talk about a bunch of stop. First,

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Speaker 1: So we did squeaky Jack. That was squeaky Jack on

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Speaker 1: in the cotton tail folder, and within the cotton tail folder,

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Speaker 1: I have cotton ball like bawl like b a w l,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna lay out some TNT we're gonna do. We're

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Speaker 5: Just don't turn it towards us.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do the turnaround. And we're gonna hitch

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Speaker 1: TNT and see what we got. Oh, we can easily

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Speaker 2: Stay ready with that long len.

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Speaker 5: There's no way if a Kyle comes ripping in here,

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Speaker 5: I don't think I can get on with that big ones.

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Speaker 1: Like I was saying, Join the Day by Max Barta,

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Speaker 1: Seth Morris, myself, cringe Schneider, Hog Hog Slayer, cringe Sneider

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Speaker 1: from the last time we were in our studio down

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Speaker 1: the down the row there and Cameron Haynes, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a couple of little quick talking points now, Sath.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this. I've been

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Speaker 1: A gentleman wrote in that he was listening to that

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Speaker 1: Another piece of listener feedback that's appropriate because we're in

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Speaker 1: We had a veterinarian on the show Divina doctor Divina

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Speaker 5: Paramosis. Yes, she told us.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to that episode, you heard it. She

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Speaker 1: A facility that will house forty three thousand, two hundred

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Speaker 1: Forty three thousand primates Okay, Now, so you can guess

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Speaker 2: This is just a private company doing this.

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Speaker 5: Data said hell no or no?

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Speaker 3: They would have said hell no, how they is that?

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Speaker 1: Right, But the monkey thing, I don't know anything about

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Speaker 2: Am I saying that? Right?

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Speaker 1: have more research on bigfoots. And then they're saying, what

438
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: if bigfoot is a hominid and it is, would the

439
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: flavor profile be similar to pork since many cannibals have

440
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: referred to human meat as long pig. Great question that

441
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: was from Rob and Jason. They had to put their

442
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: heads together, Rob and Jason, they had to co work that.

443
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 5: They had to work that.

444
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: One up together.

445
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, took the two of them. They met over. They

446
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: met over coffee.

447
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: That's great.

448
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: So we've been covering a little bit just just because

449
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: it's fun, sort of like, uh yeah, odd little issues

450
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: having to do with odd issues having to do with T.

451
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: S A taking your guns, knives and ammo.

452
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: I just recently had to throw a knife in the trash.

453
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: Did you go through? Yeah?

454
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 5: You hide it? No, Bush hide't know Potter, Well.

455
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: You know where it was in the Philadelphia airport. You

456
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: weren't going back. No, I was deep in line and

457
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: there was no Yeah, I wasn't going back. There was

458
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: it was. You didn't say it was a bench made bunk.

459
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Out in the trash.

460
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 6: Wow.

461
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: You could have said to someone like, hey, can you

462
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: hold my place in line? I need to go bury

463
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: my knife.

464
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: I was. I was running late too at the time,

465
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: so I didn't have too many options.

466
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: This gentleman has this to say. I'm gonna skip ahead

467
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: to his name. Oh Tucker.

468
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: Great interview Tucker with Putin.

469
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, fresh off his interview with Putin, he has to say,

470
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: I was listening to the episode that you were doing

471
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: in the bus talking about T. S A stories. We'll

472
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: get this. I like that the story where he says

473
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: we'll get this. That guess my, that guess me me

474
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: aens twenty nineteen. I got married, and I got married,

475
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: ran out of alcohol, so one of the guys that

476
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: was a friend of the family went and got more alcohol.

477
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Sounds like your way, needlessly say. I drank a little

478
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: too much four roses that night. So we got home

479
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: about two am, and we had to get up at

480
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: about five am to get to the airport. On international

481
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: flight to Jamaica. He's like, ee Cummings, he is no

482
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: punctuation on international flight to Jamaica. Now I say international

483
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: because that's very important noted because five thirty am I

484
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: woke up to my four forty five alarm blaring and

485
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: phone blowing up, still drunk in my uber driver calling

486
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: me since five am to see if we were still

487
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: going to the airport. So we jumped out of bed,

488
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: threw our bags in the car, and raced down on

489
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: an hour drive to the international terminal in Atlanta for

490
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: a seven am flight, and realized that we're not flying

491
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: to Jamaica. We're flying to Charlotte and then we're flying

492
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: to Jamaica. So we're in the wrong terminal. So we

493
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: hop a bus to the domestic terminal. By the time

494
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: we get there, we've missed our flight. Then they got

495
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: to find us the next flight to Jamaica two hours later.

496
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: So here I am still drunk in the airport, going

497
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: through security, getting all this yep, yep, I got it.

498
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: I throw my backpack on the belt. It goes through

499
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: the X ray scanner and I'm watching the guy looking

500
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: at the screen and his face turned sour. They move

501
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: my backpack off the side of the belt. A lady

502
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: goes and looks at it and brings my bag over

503
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: so she can search it. I said, yeah, no problem.

504
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: She starts unzipping zippers and then pulls out a full

505
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: clip fifty rounds fifteen rounds of forty five ACP that

506
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: was sitting in an inside pouch of the outside zipper

507
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: in my bag. So at this point, I feel like

508
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to pass out, because you know, obviously I'm

509
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: going to prison. Look at her and I go, oh, ship,

510
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: you can keep that to to it. She looks at

511
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: me for a couple of agonizing seconds felt like minutes,

512
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: and says, have a nice day, throws that mag in

513
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: the trash.

514
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: And lets me go.

515
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: He said that that dose of serenade has an added point,

516
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: this is something interesting, not serenade. Adrenaline sobered him up.

517
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Oh so if you ever I don't drink anymore, but

518
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: if you ever feel like you're too drunk, something scared you.

519
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Really.

520
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a lucky son.

521
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I feel like he would at least got pulled in

522
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: the back and got like a question a pat down.

523
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: You know.

524
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: Now, Now when that happened to me, I had the

525
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: cops came. They took me in the back room just

526
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: for AMMO one shotgun shell and they knew they they

527
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: knew that. I was like, dude, I'm so sorry. I

528
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: was hunting arm again with my brother, you know. And

529
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, obviously, dude, but now we got to

530
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: do all this stupid shit, you know.

531
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: And that was their attitude.

532
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, come on, man, they didn't have

533
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 5: to they get through in the trash.

534
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah now apparently I know true because I said, never

535
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: mind throwing the trash.

536
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: So you had your shotgun shell in your chata backpack.

537
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: I was like using my day pack hunting, and then

538
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I like, unday packed my daypack and use it for

539
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: carrying my stuff.

540
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: Because you can check shotgun shells. Cane I know, but

541
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: it was in my carry on.

542
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

543
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: Oh well, I'm just clarifying you. Oh yeah, for sure.

544
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: Sure, I've I've flown to a place before and got there,

545
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: started going through my carry on looking for something to

546
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: realize that I had a knife in there that made

547
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: it through security.

548
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that with broadheads. Yeah, I had broad

549
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: heads in my carry on made it through another jump

550
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: Part two.

551
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I know this has become a topic that has been

552
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: revisited several times, But after donating a knife to a

553
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: trash can, I think I found a better solution than

554
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: has been mentioned so far. How are they coming in?

555
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: No, I think that's call Sorry, you're getting ready to run?

556
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 8: No, and Max was really trying to get out of

557
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 8: the way.

558
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: I have charged the.

559
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Solution two. After stepping out of the shuttle bus, I

560
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: realized I still had two knives on my person.

561
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: Still.

562
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: He got rid of some, but still had too. I

563
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: refuse to trash two perfectly good knives. He's like a

564
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: he's like a gunfighter. I refuse to trash two perfectly

565
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: good knives. So I asked the buster if he could

566
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: take them back to my car and hide them for me.

567
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: This technique may have been discovered already because he promptly

568
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: produced an envelope for the knives and said they should

569
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: be tucked under my windshield wiper when I returned.

570
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: Nice good guy.

571
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: Gave him a tip when he returned my knaves. My

572
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: knives were safe and sound.

573
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 8: Oh so you were giving really helpful hot tips in America.

574
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: There's lots of options that I didn't know about.

575
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Well, that was before he was at TSA, though he

576
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: realized he had the knives. Yeah, so when you're at TSA,

577
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: it's more of an airport.

578
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: It's more of an airport story.

579
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 5: So Cam, lay off me.

580
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Your your what's your previous hog hunt experience? I gather

581
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: you're not like a passionate, dedicated, lifelong hog hunter.

582
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: I know. I mean I've killed I've killed a number

583
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: of hogs, but it was Yeah, I just like beow hunting,

584
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 3: so I'll be hunt pretty much anything.

585
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: And where where would you? Where have you done your

586
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: pig hun California? Okay, yeah, Northern California. It's a different seat.

587
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: It's a much different pig hunting scene in California. I

588
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: mean they run him, they run him more like a

589
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: they run him more like a game animal. God, now

590
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I can't even remember, Like you have to get like

591
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: these tags. Yeah, you get tags for him. I came

592
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: some hurdles to jump through. Yeah, it was.

593
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: That was my first out of state hunt because it

594
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: was really Yeah, it was in like ninety two maybe

595
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: thirty two years ago.

596
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: Huh.

597
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: Me and Roy went down to wuy Rica and remind

598
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: people who Roy is. Roy is my buddy who got

599
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 3: me started bow hunting.

600
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Roy Roth.

601
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, he passed away in twenty fifteen, but

602
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: we did a lot of hunts in between from that

603
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: time when I started in nineteen eighty nine to when

604
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: he died in twenty fifteen. And that was our first

605
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: out of state hunt. We could drive there from home

606
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: in Oregon and you went there, two hunt pigs, two

607
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: hunt pigs. Yeah, we And that was with dogs actually,

608
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: so we were they had them bade up in the

609
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: brush and I was on my knees in the brush,

610
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: dogs and pigs running around, and I shot this pig

611
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: at about I don't know, I don't know, eight feet yeah,

612
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: and then I went down before another, I mean other

613
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: times and then spot in stock like kind of in

614
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: the rolling hills kind of outside of one time outside

615
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 3: of Sacramento, and uh, then another time more south of there.

616
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the first one I got was north of Sacramento.

617
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: Okay, spotings thought like green rolling hills kind of yeah.

618
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Well in the right time year. The other times year

619
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: was dry right, speckled with oaks, yeah.

620
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: You know, and a lot of poison oak.

621
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a real hassle to hunt there.

622
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: And they had they been dug in where they were bedded,

623
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: and you kind of stuck on. I'd get out early

624
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: and it was hard.

625
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't want to say it was hard,

626
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: not hard hunt, not like hunting here. It was you

627
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: had to like think yeah and try. And the trick

628
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: was to catch them headed the bedding at daybreak or

629
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: to catch him popping out of bedding in the evening.

630
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 5: And it was it felt more like.

631
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: A glassing spot and stalk deer hunt in this area

632
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: to the point where a friend of mine from school,

633
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: her dad ran cattle on a number of places, and

634
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: she I said, oh, you can come on pigs. But

635
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: he was to the point where he would sometimes wonder

636
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: if he even had any pigs at on the ranches

637
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: at the time, because of they were so subject to

638
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: water and when when stuff was dry, he felt that

639
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: they were gone. When stuff was wet, they were there.

640
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: So I never saw anything like what we saw today

641
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: for some years because for a while that was the

642
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: pig hunting I did. Yeah, was like, I hope I

643
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: get one pig hunting in California.

644
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: I went another time with this. He was a pretty

645
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: well known bow hunter. One time, Ray Howell and we

646
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: were down and they were in like, uh, in the oats,

647
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: like like a whet or a wheat field, and uh.

648
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: It reminded me of hunting carp when the carp were

649
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: spawning and they're like kind of in the water and

650
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: you can see the grass kind of moving around, so

651
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: you'd see the you know, the the wheat moving around

652
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh God. So you sneak up there

653
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 3: and you'd get i mean sometimes from me to Corin,

654
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah, because they're they just don't know, they can't

655
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: see anything. They can't see anyway, but they couldn't hear,

656
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: couldn't whatever. You get the wind right, you get right

657
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: there and you just kind of almost shoot them like

658
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: a carp. And I shot this one one time. We

659
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: were filming it. I have the footage somewhere, but it

660
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: it ran right at me and ran between my legs.

661
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: I went like this kind of raised one leg between

662
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: my legs and we were had the We had got

663
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: a big kick out of that. But for a moment,

664
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: I felt like Max, I definitely would have.

665
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 5: Jumped up, and you felt like, yeah, yeah, so.

666
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: It was pretty fun. So I don't know how many

667
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: I've killed, but I haven't done it in a while. This,

668
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, this invite came. You and Joe had planned

669
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: on doing thestry plan of doing a deer hunt that

670
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: fell through than this, and then you know you and

671
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: Joe somehow invited me and so here I am and

672
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: didn't plan on it, but I'm very thankful that i'm here.

673
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: When I asked Joe, I said, do you think Cam

674
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: would want to go? Because Joe said, well, let's just

675
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: go back for pigs. And I said, do you think

676
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: Cam would want to go pig hunting with us? And

677
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: he said I can one hundred percent say he would.

678
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: I've never turned down a bow hunt. I mean, people

679
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: could ask you want to bow hunt anything anywhere and

680
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: I'll be like, yeah, don't even have to wonder.

681
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: So okay, but let's say I want to get back

682
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: in the pigs have turkeys. I want to get back

683
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: in the pig on more and say this. Let's say

684
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: I said, for whatever reason, I said, hey, we're going

685
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: to go down to this place, but here's the deal.

686
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 5: On this ranch.

687
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: By declaration of God and man, you can't hunt with

688
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: the boat.

689
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: You would have said, yeah, I'll stay home.

690
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just I mean, I just don't

691
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: like shooting. No, I don't have anything against it. I

692
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: take I take people out rifle hunting all the time,

693
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: and I'm I love seeing people be successful and being

694
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: immersed in my lifestyle, which is hunting. I don't separate

695
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: myself bow hunter, right, I think we're all together, but

696
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: me personally, I just can't get excited about it. I can't.

697
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: I just love the like this morning was perfect. I

698
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: love spawn stalking. Getting in there, you know, you got

699
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: to look at the animal, the position of the animal.

700
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: You know, these these bores they have shields on their shoulders,

701
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: so you got to think about where that arrow is entering.

702
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: You got to think about I just love the strategy

703
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: of bow hunting and then watching that arrow, you know,

704
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: find it smart, find a smart drop in and it's

705
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: like I just have It's just I'm a bow hunter.

706
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: That's just all. Yeah, that's all I am.

707
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Man talking to you, hanging out, he makes you feel

708
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: like I need to. I don't know, it makes you

709
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: feel like I do like I do, like I do everything,

710
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: which means you don't get good as much, do you

711
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I like to go trapping,

712
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: I like to go predator calling. I like to go

713
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: deep dropping, shallow fishing, ice fishing, fishing, bow hunting, gun hunting, yeah,

714
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: knife hunt, you know what I mean? Like whatever, Yeah,

715
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: And that's understand. It keeps you from ever being It

716
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: keeps you from ever being where you're just an absolute.

717
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 7: Master at some pursuit, your jack of all trades, master

718
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 7: of none.

719
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you've dedicated yourself to water following.

720
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 7: Yeah right, I mean it just started getting into the

721
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 7: big game.

722
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: So you know, you did ask if I ever I

723
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: think bird hunt or whatever else, and I don't. This

724
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: is all I do, big game, bow hunt. That's all

725
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: I care about. So I don't know. I mean, maybe

726
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm missing out on experiencing these other, you know, pursuits,

727
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: which I'm sure are great, and maybe I would grow

728
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: in some way because of them, and maybe interact with

729
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: people that I wouldn't otherwise, and that would be rewarding,

730
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: but I don't care about that.

731
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned knife hunting half joking, but then I realized

732
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: on the subject of pigs, I've done the in New Zealand,

733
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: in Hawaii and in Florida. I've gone out with guys

734
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: doing the dog hunting where you just in the end,

735
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: all you're doing is dispatching the pig with a knife,

736
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: murdering it with a knife.

737
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: That's what it feels like to me. It's like, I mean,

738
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: it feels like it's got to be like somebody somebody's

739
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: stabbing somebody else. It's exactly what it is.

740
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about it is you think, like,

741
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: if you imagine a arrow a broadhead as a it's

742
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: a knife tip. You think nothing of delivering that knife

743
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: tip that weird into the heart of that pig. But man,

744
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: someone sticks that knife in your hand and you're You're like, no,

745
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: I get it right in the heart. It feels you

746
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: have to talk yourself into it.

747
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the the feeling of the pushing it in something.

748
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: You know you don't feel that arrow. You're not controlling

749
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: that arrow by by your hand, So feeling that cut

750
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: in those times I did it, I like it.

751
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Uh well, I mean the fact that I went and

752
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: did it again and again and again, and I've done

753
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: too much. But it really drew that question of like what, Yeah,

754
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: with a bullet, you don't think about an arrow, You

755
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: don't think about it, but then when you got to

756
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: do it up close, it just makes you view it differently. Yeah,

757
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: And that that's actually the thing I want to talk

758
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: about a little bit with with pigs. Earlier I made

759
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: the joke that there's sort of no crime that can

760
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: be committed against pigs, that some people would feel was

761
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: gone too far. The other day, my little boy, my

762
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: older boy, got he's now armed with the phone, which

763
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: we have my wife and I have very mixed feelings about,

764
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: but it just it felt like an inevitability. He now

765
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: has a phone. So my little boy, who's far away

766
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: from getting a phone, comes to me all upset because

767
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: the thing that his brother showed him, who likes watching

768
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: hunting stuff. His singing brother showed him where they were

769
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: some video where it's just they were out, sounds like

770
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: they were out with pistols, semi auto pistols. In a truck,

771
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: and from the description My Little Boy game, he's like

772
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: more or lessre's a video about running pigs over with

773
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: a truck, running him down, running him over, and you

774
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: see all kinds of things like this, and you go

775
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a complex thing because there is

776
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: like state sponsored across wild pig range. There are state

777
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: sponsored efforts to eradicate which is unrealistic, but I say

778
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: that in some border states there's a plan to eradicate

779
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: pigs from the landscape, and in some places are just

780
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: a very concerted effort to control pigs. So you have

781
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: like state sponsored pig killing where you're just trying to

782
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: like reduce numbers, the same way they might go to

783
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: an island and the galop aghost and try to remove

784
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: goats by any means necessary.

785
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: Whatever.

786
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: The thing that happens with that cows, it's a thing

787
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: that happens.

788
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: But I think kind of like from the fact that

789
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: when I first started hunting, the first pig hunts I

790
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: did were like it was big game hunting for pigs,

791
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: and so I think that you fall into this thing

792
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: like not living and growing up in wild, big country.

793
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to jump into. It's hard for

794
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: me a little bit to move out of like game

795
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: animal mindset amount pigs into like like like a basically

796
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: a larger version of a rat, right, which for many

797
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: land managers in place in Texas and other states, it's

798
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: like they are they are an overgrown rat. Yeah vermin,

799
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they're destructive disease vectors play your.

800
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: Is that a heavy or a pig's heavy?

801
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: It is?

802
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 5: Sorry to interrupt, Oh no, you're.

803
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: Fine, You're fine.

804
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 5: We're here for what.

805
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: Was I hitting them with earlier?

806
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: Squeaky something?

807
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you they don't come from that distance.

808
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: It won't work. Try I'll try it, But I'm telling

809
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: you now what I've found, Colin Haleine is is you

810
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: gotta be not I didn't discover this, but that it's true.

811
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: And it was the guy that makes J thirteen calls.

812
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it's coming closer. How far away is that?

813
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 6: What do you say?

814
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: Three hundred?

815
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: I can tell you it is.

816
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 6: No, he's just like obscured behind brush.

817
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: Let me get back to what I was saying. I'm

818
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: gonna give all the arguments as as part of what

819
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

820
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all the arguments against pigs, disease, vectors,

821
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: competition for food with native wildlife, Destroyers of ground nesting

822
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: birds so a wild native ground resting birds so, destroyers

823
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: of turkey nests because they eat the eggs, destroyers of

824
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: quail nests because they eat the eggs. They are agricultural

825
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: pasts because they till up agricultural ground. They have a

826
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: negative impact on water quality because they were rooting the

827
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: mud and denude banks of vegetation. What else. There's probably

828
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: more bad things about pigs, bad old brace But I

829
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: can't get I can't find my way into the I

830
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: can't find my way into the pig eradication mindset.

831
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think when I was younger, I

832
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: could easily. I didn't really care about Oh, I could kill,

833
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: unbridled killing and never think one thing about it. Now,

834
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: like even like if I'm driving and you know how

835
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: a possua might run across the road or is like,

836
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to hit a squirrel apostle. I don't

837
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: want to hit I will feel terrible if I hit something. Yeah,

838
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: and that before when I was a kid, I was

839
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 3: almost cool. I couldn't. I don't know, I just yeah,

840
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember we driving down the logging road.

841
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: Kyote would come out for some reason. They stay on

842
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: the road and just driving and run them right over.

843
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: I could never do that now.

844
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: So what do you think.

845
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 6: Made the change for you?

846
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: Just maturing, I think, and just you know, just growing up.

847
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: The more you hunt, the more you kill, the more

848
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: you care about It's the one thing that's how you

849
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: respect life because you're taking it. You understand you know,

850
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: life and death more and uh, you know more evolved mindset.

851
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 3: So that's just part of it. And that's one reason

852
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: I think anti hunters are so misguided. They haven't been

853
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: involved in the circle of life. You know, they have

854
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: because they're paying somebody to do their killing for them,

855
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: but they haven't done the killing themselves. So they don't

856
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: really respect life. And that's why they threaten people and

857
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, threaten people's life for hunting and things like that,

858
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: just because they don't get it. So it's that's a

859
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 3: big advantage to being a hunter, is you you immerse

860
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: yourself in this. We have blood on our hands, so

861
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that we don't care. We care deeply,

862
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: but it's just part of what we do. So I

863
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: think that's just I think it's just part of maturing

864
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: and you know, evolving as a hunter.

865
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: I think one of the parts of the messes with

866
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: me a little bit. The big thing is that they

867
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: are there. They can be a little challenging to deal with,

868
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: but they are edible. And when you go to the store,

869
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: they're selling pork.

870
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: And so then if you do, you know, to do

872
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: like eradication efforts, you can't help but look and think, oh, man,

873
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: look at all that. Like I remember my buddy that

874
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: works at a my body works at a place that

875
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: supplies the grocery stores. And now and then they'll have

876
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: a disaster where something will happen to a truck, you know,

877
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: and you'll send me pictures like, holy shit, You'll send

878
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: me pictures of some giant dumpster full of like food

879
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: that whatever got wrong, temperature, whatever got recalled whatever. You

880
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: look at that and it strikes you're like, dah, what

881
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: a waste man.

882
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

883
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: And I remember one time I went to at one time,

884
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: I went to a shark I went to a shark

885
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: derby and what's that. It was like a like a

886
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: fish fishing competition for sharks. And it surprised me because

887
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: mako's are good, but a lot of the guys would

888
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: bring in blue sharks, and blue sharks have a bad reputation.

889
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: Is food to have a lot of urea, so they.

890
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: K have a pissy smell and pissy taste to them.

891
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: But seeing that volume of blue sharks in a dumpster

892
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: just felt different to me than if I saw a

893
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: dumpster full of rats, you know, and someone's gonna point out, well,

894
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: you need rats, but it's like, I don't eat rats. Yeah,

895
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: So that's like part of why the hog thing and

896
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: even this spot, like this place for hunting.

897
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 5: This guy's they got.

898
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Right now, too many hogs. I've never seen it like it.

899
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's perhaps never seen this many around.

900
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: He's got too many. He's like, just try to get

901
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: rid of them, and you still get up there. You're like, oh, man,

902
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can like just get a

903
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: whole lot, like I can't jump out of big game

904
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: mode on pigs, you know, probably largely from being from

905
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: the north.

906
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, even when I killed that

907
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: that board today, it's like I feel the same as

908
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: if I killed a bull.

909
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: You know.

910
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 3: It's just I still respect that life, and it still

911
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: impacts me. I killed it. I'm I'm that was the goal,

912
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: to kill a pig. I did it. But I still

913
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: respect that. And it's like, I don't know, I don't

914
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: know why I think that's just yeah, I don't know.

915
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I just know I'm getting softer in

916
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: my old age human.

917
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 8: I just wonder why why we think of that as soft,

918
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 8: you know, for example, as opposed to.

919
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 6: More thoughtful about it.

920
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's I think it's because i'd

921
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: say the same thing.

922
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: I think it's soft.

923
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: Relative to what you were, right, Yeah, soft relative to

924
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: what you were.

925
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel better about it. I mean, it doesn't

926
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: feel good sometimes, and I mean I don't it doesn't

927
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: feel bad, but I mean I feel like it's a

928
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: more honest approach than what I how I looked at

929
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: things when I was younger. I think that when I

930
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: was younger, I was immature and I wasn't seeing that the

931
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: full scope of what it meant to be a hunter.

932
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: It was just, oh, we just killed shit.

933
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed in my older age, I guess only

934
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: thirty two, not old, but soft but not old.

935
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: Well, if this is as hard, if this is the

936
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: apex of hardness and it only gets soft.

937
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, this is not a good feature.

938
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: I've noticed, like dispatching animals in traps is like not

939
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: as easy as it used to be. I don't know

940
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: if you've if you ever got that way or feel

941
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: that way. But like I'm don't get me wrong, I'll

942
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: still I'm still gonna trap and kill animals in like

943
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: feet away from me, in a trap where they can't

944
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: get away. But it just like something about it feels different.

945
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: These das Man. That's interesting to bring that up because

946
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: I noticed that, like I used to if I used

947
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: to come up on something, if I when I was

948
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, high school, early college and really trap and

949
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: hard and I came up on a fox that I caught,

950
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: I couldn't get that thing dead quick enough, not out

951
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: of like getting it over with.

952
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: It was just jubilation.

953
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, zero thought.

954
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: And now there's a little bit of man, let this guy.

955
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: Go, like that coyote that we caught this year, just

956
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: walking up on it and that thing like it ain't

957
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: getting away from you. No. But with that being said,

958
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna do it again next year. Yeah, it

959
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: is like a.

960
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, kably allowing yourself to Uh. I don't know whether

961
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 8: it's projection or accepting reality. Like you're looking at something

962
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 8: that in the moment is helpless and you know you're

963
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: just allowing yourself to feel it.

964
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife more and more thinks that. My wife

965
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: more and more thinks that this sort of like overriding

966
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: theory that that we're governed by, uh, we're governed by.

967
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: Fear of death.

968
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 6: As you get older, she tries, She tries to.

969
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: Pin a lot of stuff on fear of death.

970
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think about myself at all in

971
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: those moments. I mean, I don't know if it's subconsciously

972
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: I am, but to me personally, it doesn't feel like

973
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: that's what's going on.

974
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe some I agree with that.

975
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

976
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: I just when I'm when I'm about to kill a

977
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: kyo in a travel it feels like I'm not thinking

978
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: about personal death.

979
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Another thing my wife just told me has nothing to

980
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: do with hogs or killing, is it? She said, there

981
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: is no baby named Steve.

982
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: That's so true.

983
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said.

984
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: You would never to a million years go to someone's

985
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: house and there's a baby and they're going You're like, oh,

986
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: what's the baby's name. They would never be a million

987
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: years ago. It's Steve. That baby's name is Steve.

988
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

989
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 8: Oh wait, someone found Oh I should have put it

990
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 8: in talking points because we have no reception. I won't

991
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 8: be able to insert it. But someone found a quote

992
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 8: I think it was from a Japanese author translated about

993
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 8: the baby face old man face. Hmmm, someone wrote in

994
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 8: about that they like identify the.

995
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: Youngest babies have the oldest face.

996
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was, but there was a there was something similar,

997
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 8: but it was a in a book by a Japanese author.

998
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 6: I'll show that to you.

999
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: So that's on my mind that the world's going to

1000
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: run out of Steve's.

1001
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: So either you were born with some other name or

1002
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: you were born thirty years old. Which one was it?

1003
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 5: When I was a kid.

1004
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, if you said Steve, if

1005
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: the teacher said Steve, six kids are going to raise

1006
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: their hand. Yeah, And if they said Jenny, six seven

1007
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: kids are going to raise their hand.

1008
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: Now it could be boys raise their hand for Jenny.

1009
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's just or variations on Caden and then

1010
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: just know Steve. Anymore Steve's are gone.

1011
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: The air of Steve's I hated.

1012
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: I hated my name when I was a kid. I

1013
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 3: was like, why can't I just be like a Mic

1014
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: or a John.

1015
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Oh, you didn't want to be Cam.

1016
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 3: Nobody's named caming you Cam, Cara, Cameron Cam.

1017
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1018
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: I mean I guess maybe some girls would say Cameron,

1019
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, Cam stupid.

1020
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I like it.

1021
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: It's it's a little more accepted now.

1022
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: But it's kind of so fitting though, because you're such

1023
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: a bow hunter. You know, cams on a bow. I

1024
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: don't know you ever think about that. You know, it

1025
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: could have been named Riser or something. You know, yeah, arrow, arrow, broadhead.

1026
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: Passed through.

1027
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 5: Dog stabilizer.

1028
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: So Cam, what, uh, what's going on in the world

1029
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: of we kind of Uh, I'm familiar with what's going

1030
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: on in the world with you with huntings. We just

1031
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: hunted this morning. What's going on with your your running career?

1032
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: You're you're running passion.

1033
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 5: M m.

1034
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: Uh it's uh, you know, I'm not getting any younger.

1035
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you but when do you jump?

1036
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: Like, uh, where do you sit within your age brack,

1037
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: because that's kind of thing is that's gotta be the

1038
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: things you start.

1039
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 3: Paying attention to, right I don't know. I don't really

1040
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: like that. That seems like that. It seems like a

1041
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: cop out. It's like, you know, I still want to

1042
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: beat all the young guys. Okay, Yeah, Like being the

1043
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: fastest old guy would be like being I can't say it,

1044
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: yoused to be. There's a saying being the smartest. I

1045
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: can't say it now. It's like you get canceled if

1046
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: you say it.

1047
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't say that.

1048
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like being a fast old guys like,

1049
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: uh huh so I just you know I in my

1050
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 3: age group. Yeah, of course I do good because most

1051
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 3: people my age are dead.

1052
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 5: How do the age brackets work?

1053
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: Uh?

1054
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: It goes. I mean Masters is fortying over, but then

1055
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: there's age groups within Masters, so it'd be like senior Masters. No,

1056
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: it'd be like fifty to fifty four, fifty five to

1057
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: fifty nine. So they caught it thin.

1058
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1059
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1060
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: So this is for like the what do you call them?

1061
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: The races you run?

1062
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: Oh, the ultra ultras don't really have. Most good ultrarunners

1063
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: are old.

1064
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1065
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're young, you're faster and more able, but

1066
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: you're not mentally tough. So if you're gonna run two

1067
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: hundred miles, a young twenty year old is gonna usually

1068
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: ship the bed way before the end.

1069
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: Really.

1070
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you're when you're older, you're just you know,

1071
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: life has been You've been kicked in the balls a lot,

1072
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, so you've been just a hard race is

1073
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: just like this is just I'm this is temporary. I'm

1074
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: gonna get through it. So you're just more mentally tough.

1075
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: Young guys just haven't developed that mental toughness yet, really

1076
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 3: you think so? Oh, I know for a.

1077
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 5: Fact, that's why I jump.

1078
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: You guys.

1079
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: I guess it's like a different caliber of young guys.

1080
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: But it's young guys that go through like the the

1081
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: the Ranger course and stuff like that.

1082
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, there is it's a that's an extreme

1083
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: like those guys are they're in the special category.

1084
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm talking in general, you.

1085
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: Know, with you Yeah, there's of course there's tough like

1086
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: elite well special operator or what is that special operations?

1087
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there's there's always freaks out there,

1088
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: and there's there's young freaks too. I'm just saying in general,

1089
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: when you're young, you're not mentally as tough as you

1090
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: are when you're older.

1091
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: What is the prime age for the old What do

1092
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Speaker 1: you call? I mean, you don't call it ultra marathon? Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you call marathon? You call Yeah, but there's

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Speaker 1: an off road, but it's like off road, Yeah, it's trail.

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Speaker 5: Is there?

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Speaker 1: Like is there ultra marathon? It's it's on. Are they

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Speaker 1: always off because the road's too hard?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: I mean there's your body. No, there's some on the

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Speaker 3: road too. But that does beat you up for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean the mountains kind of give you. It's it's

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Speaker 3: hard because you got the climb, but you are using

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Speaker 3: different muscles at different times. When it's like there's a

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Speaker 3: race called bad Water one thirty five and it's one

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five miles in Death Valley. Most of

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Speaker 3: it is on road which gets like one hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty degrees. You have to run on the white line

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Speaker 3: otherwise your shoes are melting. What yeah, geez. Yeah, it's intense.

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Speaker 3: It's intense. So that on the road, very tough, and

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Speaker 3: it's the same muscles for one hundred and thirty five miles.

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Speaker 5: Have you done that one?

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Speaker 3: I haven't done that one? Yeah, no I want to.

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Speaker 3: So generally, ultras are in the mountains, but there they

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Speaker 3: don't have to be.

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Speaker 2: It is my point.

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Speaker 3: And to answer your question, Seth, a ultra marathon would

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Speaker 3: be anything over a normal marathon. So an ultra marathon

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Speaker 3: could range from a fifty k which is about thirty

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Speaker 3: one miles. That's a sh ortist ultra thirty one miles too.

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Speaker 3: I've done two hundred the MOAB two forty is two

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty miles.

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Speaker 2: ESZ and that how how long does that take you?

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Speaker 3: That took seventy eight hours?

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Speaker 2: Are you sleeping at all?

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Speaker 3: Two hours? So the clock doesn't stop the best people

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Speaker 3: like Courtney, who I run with. She I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: think how long she slept in that one she won

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Speaker 3: that race. I got like maybe eleventh now I can't remember,

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Speaker 3: but eleventh you count eleventh in your.

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Speaker 1: Age group or just eleventh eleventh that age with that

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Speaker 1: age group.

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Speaker 5: Stuff hard man.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't that that doesn't work on ultras because I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you there's old old in that race. There was

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Speaker 3: like a sixty year old woman who beat me. Okay,

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Speaker 3: really this freak Pam read she is so good. And women,

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Speaker 3: I'll just say this, women and for for like elite

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Speaker 3: endurance athletes. Women are I'm not gonna say they're better

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Speaker 3: than they're better than most men. The toughest women are

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Speaker 3: better than a lot of the best men because they're

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Speaker 3: just so much. I think they're built for pain, for

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Speaker 3: because of child bearing. I think they deal with pain

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Speaker 3: better than men do. That's why Courtney is one races

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Speaker 3: outright over elite meno and she's you know, she's not

1145
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: gonna be faster. Men will have you know, will be faster,

1146
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Speaker 3: be stronger in general over women. But for endurance, it's

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Speaker 3: women have an advantage.

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Speaker 1: So when you're doing that, at what point, At what

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Speaker 1: point do you have a sense that you're gonna do well?

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Speaker 1: You know in a given race, Like if I go out,

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Speaker 1: if I'm out and I got a high up of

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Speaker 1: mountain for whatever reason, messing around, hunting whatever out pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly in the day, know that I'm going to tear

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Speaker 1: it up or I'll be like, man, this is the

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Speaker 1: should this should not feel like it feels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those races, because you got seventy eight hours to

1157
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: figure it out, so you can start off feeling like shit.

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot, a lot of time left

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Speaker 3: to recover, so yeah, you just keep and in a

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Speaker 3: race like that, I've went the first two hundred mile

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Speaker 3: where I did the Big Foot two hundreds in Washington,

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Speaker 3: which is freaking super tough. The trails there don't have

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Speaker 3: many switchbacks like they do in a lot of the

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Speaker 3: Western states for horse packers, a lot of those trails

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Speaker 3: will have switchbacks. In Washington for whatever reason, not many switchbacks,

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Speaker 3: so you'd gain five thousand feet and it'd be just

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Speaker 3: straight up the hill, just ass kicker. But in that

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Speaker 3: race I went, and in most long races like this,

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Speaker 3: you're up and down, up and down, problem solving, don't

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Speaker 3: have enough salt, need more salt, need more, calories, need more,

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Speaker 3: you know, get dehydrated. And that one I was winning

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Speaker 3: by hours, like I think three hours in the first

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Speaker 3: forty miles because I went out too fast, got dehydrated,

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Speaker 3: then freaking died, then came back. And by the end

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Speaker 3: of the race, my brother was pacing me, who is

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Speaker 3: an amazing runner. Taylor is his name. He's a he's

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Speaker 3: one ultras outright. He was pacing me at the very end,

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Speaker 3: and I was running so good. By the end, He's like, Cam,

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Speaker 3: I don't I can't keep up. I was running six

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Speaker 3: something minute miles after two hundred miles after I could

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Speaker 3: barely walk at some times during the same race. So

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Speaker 3: you just learn what your body can do. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: to answer your question, you can start off and like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how this is gonna work out, but

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Speaker 3: you're gonna it's gonna be up and down no matter what.

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Speaker 3: You might start off great and then feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: after one hundred miles, which is you know, probably gonna

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Speaker 3: be twenty four to thirty hours, you might feel like

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Speaker 3: I can't take another step, and then you keep going

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Speaker 3: and you do. Your body is incredible. People don't realize.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean, I like, I look at

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Speaker 1: that stuff and uh, I look at that stuff like

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Speaker 1: I can walk good, like good long distances. I look

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Speaker 1: at that stuff with running and I just can't because

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Speaker 1: even now and then I'll be like I'll run.

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Speaker 3: Back to the car and grab the whatever keys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know.

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Speaker 3: Then you get where you can see the car and.

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Speaker 5: All you're walking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like something something in my body is.

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Speaker 3: Like, what are we running for? Let's just walk fast? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I just for me, It's given

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Speaker 3: me so much confidence because when I was first hunting

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Speaker 3: the Egle capital Ar, and this is kind of where

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Speaker 3: I came of age as a mountain hunter. I was

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Speaker 3: by myself, so I was scared, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: scared back there sometimes and I was like, God, damn,

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Speaker 3: this freaking these mountains are kicking my ass just mentally, physically, spiritually.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm thinking about my kids at home, you know,

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Speaker 3: little thinking about I should be home. I'm here. It's

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Speaker 3: like all these and I just fit. When I got

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Speaker 3: mentally stronger, I was like that wilderness was thirty miles

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Speaker 3: wide by sixty miles long. It's three hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: seven thousand acres they called the Little Alps. It's very rugged.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I just what can I do

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Speaker 3: to get tougher? So I started running and I thought,

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Speaker 3: if I could run one hundred miles, finished this one

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Speaker 3: hundred mile ultra first one I did was the Big

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Speaker 3: Horn one hundred in Wyoming.

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Speaker 2: What year was that?

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Speaker 3: That was two thousand and nine. If I could run

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Speaker 3: one hundred miles, I could get out of the all

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Speaker 3: the way through the wilderness in one day. Why would

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Speaker 3: I be?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: That gave me so much confidence I could go back

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Speaker 3: there wouldn't think anything about being fearful or I just

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Speaker 3: was felt so capable. So then I was like, instead

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Speaker 3: of worrying about I got to make it back to camp,

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Speaker 3: or or if I have camp on my back, how

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Speaker 3: much water do I have? I do have enough food?

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Speaker 3: What's this weather doing? You know, there was I didn't

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Speaker 3: have a satellite phone or anything like that. But once

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Speaker 3: I got that confidence, I didn't worry about that shit.

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Speaker 3: All I worried about was I need to kill a bull.

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Speaker 3: And when when all you're one hundred percent focus is

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Speaker 3: on killing a bull, not everything that can go wrong,

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Speaker 3: all these things you can't control.

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Speaker 1: Not a yeah, like if I get it now, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be dark, right, you don't and then oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I gotta cut it up.

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Speaker 3: And then what am I gonna do? It's gonna be warm.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll there they are tonight, I'll come back in

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Speaker 3: the morning. I'll make a plan. I just would go

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent focused on killing. Every single time I

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Speaker 3: saw something, I didn't care how far it was, I'd

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Speaker 3: go and I killed. And it was just like it

1249
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Speaker 3: was that confidence, and that then that has carried over

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Speaker 3: to everything. Now you know everything, but that ultra had

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Speaker 3: that that ultra mindset I think facilitated that growth.

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Speaker 5: Did it change how you? Did it change you socially? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I pretty much look at everybody and think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're a pussy.

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Speaker 2: He can now it.

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Speaker 3: But it does. When you hear people complain about certain things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think anybody who does you know, fighters

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 3: probably feel like they feel this way. Like my son

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Speaker 3: who is a ranger, probably feels this way. You hear

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 3: normal complaints and you're like, it's not really worth complaining about,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because it's really not that,

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Speaker 3: it's not that bad. So it just gives you perspective

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Speaker 3: over what's hard and what's not. Not really judging people,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Everybody has their own everybody

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Speaker 3: has their own threshold. I'm not I don't look down.

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Speaker 3: You know, something that's hard for somebody, it's hard for them.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell them it's not hard. It's hard for them.

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Speaker 1: What do you when you're in one of those megalong races?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: At what point does it start to feel like it's

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Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent metal.

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Speaker 2: Um?

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Speaker 3: It depends on you know, if you put in the

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Speaker 3: mile So the general rule of thumb is the weekly

1276
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Speaker 3: mile mileage you get should match your race. So if

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Speaker 3: you've been getting in one hundred mile weeks, you should

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 3: be prepared for a hundred mile or this is roughly

1279
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Speaker 3: got it. So to get it. To get in one

1280
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Speaker 3: hundred mile weeks, you have to that's fourteen miles a day.

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Speaker 3: So you run fourteen miles a day, you're getting a

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Speaker 3: hundred mile if you can run fourteen miles a day.

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Speaker 3: Because most people are you talking a seven day week,

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Speaker 3: seven day week, yep, every day. So you have to

1285
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Speaker 3: get your body used to those big, back to back

1286
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 3: days because in those long races, you're running for multiple days.

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Speaker 3: Most people, if you go run a half marathon, I

1288
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: mean you're down for a while. Your body can get

1289
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Speaker 3: accustomed to day after day after day, and then like

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Speaker 3: there's some you know, so I get one hundred miles

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Speaker 3: a week, and then I'll do even bigger weeks like

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Speaker 3: I'll try to do I go through stretches where I'll

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Speaker 3: do a marathon a day, and that that would be

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Speaker 3: you know, two over two hundred miles a week. That's

1295
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Speaker 3: to me, I think that's what it takes to prepare

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Speaker 3: your body to push like that, because in a race

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Speaker 3: where you're not sleeping, you're not recovering. You might feel

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Speaker 3: good for thirty miles, which is still a long ass run.

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Speaker 3: But at thirty miles and at two hundred and forty

1300
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: mile race, you have two hundred and ten miles left?

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Speaker 3: What are you going? So you're feeling like shit for

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: most of the race. You can't train And as soon

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Speaker 3: as you start feeling like shit, stop because that's where

1304
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 3: most of the race is taking place. So it's just

1305
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 3: a matter of building your body up to be able

1306
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: to endure that that I mean, just what you're asking

1307
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: of it. It's at the end.

1308
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 5: Are you towards the end?

1309
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: Are you still doing that?

1310
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 5: Oh?

1311
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: You need salt, you need water, you need calories. You're

1312
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: at a point where you just you're just gonna finish

1313
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: it and not think. Can't you still got to be

1314
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: like can't you still like flying? You can still gotta

1315
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: be like flying a helicopter, paying attention to everything.

1316
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 3: The whole time. Once you stop thinking about food or calories,

1317
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: hydration and salt, you're pretty much done. Okay, it has

1318
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 3: you can never Sometimes you get into groove and you

1319
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: don't take in that stuff every hour you pay for it.

1320
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: Got it.

1321
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: You have to keep those those three things up.

1322
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, on a different subject, you did.

1323
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 5: They were mentioned to me that, you know, you like.

1324
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: Still hunting and then moving into like stocks, right, and

1325
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about hunting with a friend of yours who's

1326
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: a good caller. And when your friend says, well, let's

1327
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: try to call that bowl, you'll think yourself, let's try to,

1328
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: won't we to sneak down there and try to get it?

1329
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1330
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, talk about that a little bit.

1331
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1332
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 3: I think it's just used to I always used to

1333
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 3: growing up on public land in that wilderness, and everywhere

1334
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: I hunted, even before the wilderness, it was like twenty

1335
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 3: minutes from Eugenie or Springfield is where I would elk hunt.

1336
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: Very accessible, there's big bulls there. There'd be articles on

1337
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 3: the paper. We lived on that road, so opening day

1338
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 3: of deer season there'd be three hundred trucks going by.

1339
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: So you get used to hunting amongst other people. When

1340
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 3: you're elk hunting amongst other people, you don't call because

1341
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: those bulls have been called so many times. So I

1342
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 3: grew up never calling because you blew on. I mean,

1343
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: even if you were good. Those bulls are probably not

1344
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 3: going to react. So I was just so used to

1345
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: and I gained a lot of confidence and I can

1346
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 3: just because to me, getting down on an elk is

1347
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: way easier than stocking a big meal deer meal. Deer

1348
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 3: are so much harder to stock, just how they they're

1349
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 3: more aware how they bed because the bow hunter generally

1350
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: were way for them to bed, and then you plan

1351
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: your stock, you get the wind right, very difficult, and

1352
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: elk they're so noisy, they're so big, they're more of

1353
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 3: a dominant figure on the landscape, so they're not quite

1354
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: as skittish as I don't think it's as you're like

1355
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 3: a white tail. Just to me, I had a lot

1356
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 3: of success and just got really good at stalking, and

1357
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 3: so I've never had to I hardly ever call. I've

1358
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: killed a lot of bowls and probably ninety percent of

1359
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: them were spawn stock.

1360
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: When they're better, or you're doing them on their feeding

1361
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: or whatever anything.

1362
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: You can anytime, yeah, just whatever they're doing. Uh Yeah,

1363
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 3: So it's just you know how hunting is is, you're

1364
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: just reading body language, You're reading body language terrain. You

1365
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 3: know that pig today you can eat pigs are you know,

1366
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 3: they're not very aware, especially now that I think they're

1367
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: so focused on feeding because it's been so dry. But

1368
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: you just you watch the animals. You see what you

1369
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 3: can get away with. You stay in the shadows, You

1370
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 3: use whatever cover is available. You go very slow. You're

1371
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 3: not your arms aren't out kind of in line, your

1372
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: your legs aren't taking big steps, and that profile is

1373
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: barely moving if you're going right to them, and you

1374
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 3: just all that ways in and then you get into

1375
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: bow range. You wait for the right position and then

1376
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 3: you kill them. And that's just what I do on

1377
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 3: on everything, and elk are very susceptible to stalking.

1378
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: I think, what what's your attitude or not your attitude,

1379
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: what's your approach when you're when you're in a big

1380
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,919
Speaker 1: old like grab ass party with a couple of bulls

1381
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: and ten cows and everybody's running, you know, moving around,

1382
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,520
Speaker 1: tons of eyeballs.

1383
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: Do you just sit it out to wait or you

1384
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 3: get in there and.

1385
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: Mix it up?

1386
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: No, I mean it depends if the if the bull,

1387
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 3: if there's a dominant bull there, like usually I'm just

1388
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: gonna kill the biggest, oldest bull, so I'll get in

1389
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: And I mean I'm thinking, like a good example was

1390
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: two years ago.

1391
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: I was.

1392
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: I had somebody could have called for me. This bull.

1393
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 3: I could hear it was up on this bench, so

1394
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: calling it's not going to come off the bench he

1395
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: I could. I knew he had his herd up there.

1396
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 3: He's not coming off a bench to come to a call, right,

1397
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 3: he had elevation. They're always going to want to keep

1398
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 3: that elevation. So I'm like, he's not going to come

1399
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 3: to the call. I need to get back up on

1400
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: that bench. So I got up on the bench and

1401
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: it was really thick up there, and he came around.

1402
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 3: He was going like working the bench and then going

1403
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,480
Speaker 3: on the edge of the bench down towards the drainage.

1404
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: He would call there because they want to announce that

1405
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: they're badasses and they want everybody to know, so he

1406
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: would go to that edge of it. I was on

1407
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 3: the hillside edge where I came up, and I saw

1408
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: him come up and he raked this tree about I

1409
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: don't know, thirty five yards away but facing me, and

1410
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: I didn't have a shot. And then he left and

1411
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 3: then he went back down to the edge of the

1412
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 3: bench over the drainage called and then he started to

1413
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 3: come back around in amongst or during this time, there's

1414
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 3: a couple of cows and they're feeding, and they would

1415
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: get there and there cows were like twenty yards. So

1416
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 3: in that case, I'm just saying, he's coming back. I

1417
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: know what he's doing. I just got to hope this

1418
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: wind holes wind was coming up at this time is

1419
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 3: mid morning, and I got to hope that this win holds.

1420
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna stay here, And so I stayed there

1421
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 3: Brandona Shock he was there filming me, and uh, I

1422
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 3: just stayed for probably I don't know, it was probably

1423
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty minutes. And eventually those cows fed

1424
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 3: up to about ten yards, and so I just knew

1425
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 3: that if this hole held, I was gonna, you know,

1426
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 3: wait him out. He would come up. And he came

1427
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: up to about twenty one yards, and I slipped an

1428
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 3: arrow through the brush and killed him. So it's, uh,

1429
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: it just depends. That was just a situation where I

1430
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 3: was just weighing out what I thought was going on,

1431
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 3: what were the best odds for me to get that

1432
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 3: bowl killed, And then that's how it happened. You know,

1433
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 3: if there's satellite bowls around, it's he's going to run

1434
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: him off. I mean, he's gonna run, he's gonna come.

1435
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 3: He's not gonna let a satellite bowl get close to

1436
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 3: his cows without him coming in and let him know

1437
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: who runs the show. So it's just but as you know,

1438
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: as well as I do, and most of your listeners,

1439
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 3: you're just every situation is unique. Oh no, and I

1440
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of laugh sometimes when people, you know,

1441
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: they act like they got this species or this animal

1442
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 3: figured out. It's like, every single time is different. There's tendencies,

1443
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 3: but you don't have it figured out. You you you've

1444
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: developed and noticed habits. But every situation because of that,

1445
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 3: if that bench wasn't there would have been something else.

1446
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 3: It would have been something else going. Or if that

1447
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 3: or if I was above him instead of below him,

1448
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 3: maybe he would have come up that bench to me.

1449
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: But it's like, I mean, it's it's a chess game

1450
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 3: every single time. I just love that part of it,

1451
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 3: and I've I don't have it figured out, but I

1452
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 3: have figured out good decisions to make to put the

1453
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: odds in my favor.

1454
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's part of what I think figuring out

1455
01:18:53,680 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: is is if you've exposed yourself to enough situations you

1456
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: start to put together a kind of probability calculator.

1457
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 5: It's it's like.

1458
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 3: Your crystal ball. I'm big on numbers. Oh I'm always

1459
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: running numbers, and I'm always like, it's it's probably. I

1460
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 3: was a purchasing purchasing agent for twenty years at the

1461
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 3: local utility back home, and I would look at everything

1462
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: like a calculation. So it was just odds and its

1463
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 3: numbers and just running and I just so I'm always

1464
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: looking at how much time I've been in this area,

1465
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 3: what the wind's gonna do with this, you know, just

1466
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 3: like just running in my head. Like but yeah, it's

1467
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 3: just probability, I think, is kind of what you're saying.

1468
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, just getting in saying you're not you're not able

1469
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: to you know, you're not going well that one time

1470
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: this happened, another time that happened, an our time happened.

1471
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: It's just I have a feeling, yeah, based on experience.

1472
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a feeling that that thing, that thing's

1473
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna come back up here again. Yeah, you know, and

1474
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: then they all run down the hill and you're.

1475
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 7: Like, I guess I was wrong at that time.

1476
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like it's you know, it's not

1477
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: like it's a slam dunk. But anytime, you know, people

1478
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 3: I do. I do a lot of elk hunting, so

1479
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 3: I get some balls on the ground. People say it's

1480
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 3: too much this or this or that, but but the

1481
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 3: point the point is, it's like, uh, oh man, Now

1482
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 3: I don't even know what point was. I'm sorry, Uh

1483
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 3: what what?

1484
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 5: What?

1485
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 3: What do you just say?

1486
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: I said, well, you you think I was saying I

1487
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: was joking that you were convinced or thinking it's gonna

1488
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: come back this way.

1489
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 5: But I said, then they all run down the hill.

1490
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Actually, now I don't evenmember what it's gonna say.

1491
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 3: So sorry about that.

1492
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1493
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 3: It's good dark out.

1494
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry about the cameras, it's just running out of light.

1495
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: No doing audio only.

1496
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 5: We're just gonna have to like cut halfway and just one.

1497
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: Problem we haven't thought of with our studio needs.

1498
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 5: We need to be full moon only.

1499
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 3: And only remember the bounce, the bounce bounce off that

1500
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: moon whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, but no, it's a

1501
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: oh no, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, people

1502
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 3: make it seem like, uh, you know, I don't want

1503
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 3: to say people have it figured out, and I don't,

1504
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 3: so I'll never say I have it figured out every time.

1505
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: But it's not like it's impossible. I mean, how many

1506
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 3: guys kill bulls every year?

1507
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1508
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 3: A lot.

1509
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: Were at the end the other day when it gets

1510
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: to be September and you see like the picture everybody's

1511
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: sending you and you're seeing you're like.

1512
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 3: How was everybody? Yeah getting the ball?

1513
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well so I got to go look at people

1514
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 5: right around me, go did you get a bull?

1515
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 2: No?

1516
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 3: Okay, good, someone somebody did, somebody didn't. I mean, it's

1517
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 3: challenging and it's hard. It's ten percent success. I get

1518
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: all that, but it's not like it's impossible. So if

1519
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 3: ten percent of guys, some of them are prepared, some

1520
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: of them are prepared. But if if you can go

1521
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 3: out and you get lucky and kill, imagine what you

1522
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 3: can do if you focus your whole life on it. Sure,

1523
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not it's not like

1524
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: we're saying, oh, you're gonna try to do this, saying

1525
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 3: no man has ever done Okay, it's gonna be tough.

1526
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: We're doing something guys do every year. So if if

1527
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: another man can do it, I know I can do it.

1528
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: So it's just good making good decisions, put yourself in

1529
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 3: position for success, and you know, basing all this experience

1530
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 3: you have, it can happen. It can happen often. So

1531
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: that's how it looks.

1532
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: That used to be the only pep talk I knew

1533
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: was it only takes one. And then there's like another

1534
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: pep talk of reminding myself how fast things can turn

1535
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: around yep. And then the other pep talk is the

1536
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: old like, uh, well we're not gonna kill him in

1537
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: the truck. Yeah, that's you know, but you're all very

1538
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: pragmatic pep talks.

1539
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1540
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: Roy used to say that all the time to my

1541
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: buddy Roy we started bow hunting, as we mentioned, but

1542
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 3: sometimes he would say, I don't know what to do,

1543
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 3: but I'm just going to be out there. You know,

1544
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 3: all you can all you can control is where you're at.

1545
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: If you're out there, who knows what's going to happen.

1546
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 3: There always a chance, and so yeah, he would just

1547
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't know what to do. You know, everybody likes to

1548
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: think they have it exactly figured out. Any hunter knows

1549
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 3: you don't always have it figured out. And you feel

1550
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: like I feel there's been hunts where I'm like, I

1551
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,440
Speaker 3: don't know how I've ever killed anything. It feels impossible.

1552
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 3: But when you're out there, yeah, it can turn on

1553
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 3: a dime. Yeah, So it's a I think hunting teaches

1554
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 3: that optimism, that optimism optimistic mindset almost better than anything,

1555
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: because you have to believe. If you don't believe, you're

1556
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: at home, you're at home, you're talking on social media

1557
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 3: talking shit about guys who killed Yeah. So if you're optimistic,

1558
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 3: you're not worried about any of that. You're out there

1559
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: and it's like, I'm going to make something happen.

1560
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I should combine those pep talk and it would

1561
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: be it only takes one. It happens so fast you

1562
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: can't get them in the truck. Yeah, it happened so

1563
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: fast it can happen. Yeah, it turn on a dime.

1564
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean just like all of a sudden,

1565
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: there it is, you know, Yeah, how many times you

1566
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: have that feeling I've had, I've been You're.

1567
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, I can't believe it. Well, we

1568
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: never I've more often had the feeling of please, please,

1569
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 3: could I just have a break please? I mean, I

1570
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: deserve I deserve this I've worked so hard, Please can

1571
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 3: I have a break. That's what I've I'm used to that.

1572
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 7: I feel like that happens a lot of time, turkey

1573
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 7: hunting in the spring time, Like walking around not hearing

1574
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 7: a single gobble the whole morning, and then like you're

1575
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 7: walking back to the truck and one gobbles back where

1576
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 7: you just came from me. You're like, well, better go

1577
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 7: chase him.

1578
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead.

1579
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: The one hunt that we do that every time, I'm like,

1580
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: I just cannot picture this is happening that.

1581
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't picture. I uh, just just to close.

1582
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: It's a few years ago, me and Yan he went

1583
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: to Missouri for the turkey opener and it was the coldest, snowiest,

1584
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: windiest morning and it was like so winter time. I mean,

1585
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: you couldn't find it. There wasn't no bud on a tree.

1586
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: And we went out and split up. I went off

1587
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: one direction, Yeah, he went off in our direction. This

1588
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: this big chunkle of uh. I can't remember who administered it.

1589
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 5: It was.

1590
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: It was public land. It was like National forest land.

1591
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 1: It was some other kind of public land like county

1592
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: land or something. Either way, I'm out there and I've

1593
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and I talked myself into that you just can't hunt

1594
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: in these conditions.

1595
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 5: Sounds brutal.

1596
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: Well over on the next over, on the next hillside,

1597
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: all sudden, son of a bit.

1598
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 5: No, not a shotgun show. Okay, I was gonna say.

1599
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm over here saying everything like that would it's two windy,

1600
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: snowy spring and over on the next bridge, unbeknownst to me,

1601
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: Yanni's working a hot gobbler and kills it, and I'm like, dude,

1602
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, like the mindset man, you know, yeah, you're

1603
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: determining that. It's like we might as well go home.

1604
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: And then he's working a hot gobbler around the next bridge,

1605
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: and talk about like the two different guys with the different.

1606
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Attitudes that that reminds me. I read I read this

1607
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 3: old story just on the podcast the other day, a

1608
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 3: solo podcast. I like, I like hearkening back on uh

1609
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 3: just good reading or good writers, or old books like

1610
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 3: Life of Full Drop, Chuck Adams, just old stuff that

1611
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, people don't talk about these days. So I

1612
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 3: read this old article. Roy and Dwight shoe or honeying

1613
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 3: on Kodiak and they got stuck there for twenty three days.

1614
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 3: They're supposed to be there, I think twelve. But the

1615
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 3: weather had the river froze and a plane is supposed

1616
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 3: to where we hunt on Kodiak. Plane drops us off

1617
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 3: on this river. They land on floats, but it froze,

1618
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 3: so they were stuck. But anyway, this nasty weather came in,

1619
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 3: and Roy always felt like he was going to be

1620
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 3: able to it didn't matter, It did not matter what

1621
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 3: the situation was. So Dwight said he was dry. Dwight

1622
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 3: Sheche wrote this article. He was trying to keep up

1623
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: with Roy. Roy's going up the hill. And Roy's a

1624
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 3: big guy. I mean, you would look at him and

1625
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: you would think that this guy supposed to be a stud,

1626
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 3: biggest stud you've ever seen, or not ever seen, because

1627
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 3: you wouldn't think that biggest study I've ever hunted with.

1628
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,480
Speaker 3: But anyway, Roy's going up the hill. Dwight, who's very capable,

1629
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 3: could barely keep up with him. And he said, while

1630
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 3: Roy was going up the trail and Dwight was struggling

1631
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 3: to keep up, Roy killed a buck in a red fox.

1632
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 3: So and so then that sets the stage for this

1633
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 3: other one. The wind was howling so bad that they

1634
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 3: could barely see. Roy said, I'm i still got a

1635
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: buck tag. I'm going to go out. So they find

1636
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 3: this buck on this hillside just cover. The buck was

1637
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: getting covered with snow, but it was blowing off enough,

1638
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 3: or it was bedded down there. You know, these bucks

1639
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 3: on Kodiak are tough. Roy gets forty yards away and

1640
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: Dwight said he couldn't even watch Roy. He's supposed to

1641
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: be filming him, but he had to look away because

1642
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 3: the snow was coming in, stinging his face so bad

1643
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 3: he could not and he couldn't show his hands, so

1644
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,799
Speaker 3: he's turn and he said. Roy was sitting there bare

1645
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: hands because it's hard to shoot with gloves on if

1646
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 3: you're not used to it, and bear face and sitting

1647
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: there forty yards and I think for two hours. Finally

1648
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 3: that buck stood up and Dwight couldn't even face. He

1649
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 3: had to have his back to Roy. But buck stood up.

1650
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 3: Roy killed it. Who the hell else would be out?

1651
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 3: You couldn't see anywhere snow it being you've been stuck

1652
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 3: there for three weeks. Basically, Roy still had that tag

1653
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 3: and went filled it in. So that's I mean, that's

1654
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 3: the kind of attitude it takes sometimes, Yeah, And that's

1655
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't have.

1656
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: No, they don't.

1657
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 6: I didn't have it when I was running after that.

1658
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 1: No you did not? Well that Max next and Max

1659
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: facing down that Avelina.

1660
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys faltered. Man. If you guys could could

1661
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 3: have hunted with Roy, Oh, I would give anything for that.

1662
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 3: He was like he made everybody better. Everybody's like he

1663
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: was so optimistic. It just changes it. It changes people.

1664
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 7: Sounds like it would have been a bow hunter, now

1665
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 7: what you would have Yeah, if I got with Roy?

1666
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, he uh yeah.

1667
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: He was just no you speak of him fondly man. Yeah,

1668
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: all right, Well, thanks for joining Pitch black Out. We're

1669
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: gonna shut her down. This outside, dude, it needs four

1670
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: walls and some light.

1671
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say thank you, Thanks Steve, thanks

1672
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 3: meat Eater for allowing me to come here. It's an

1673
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:09,799
Speaker 3: honor to be on the podcast. I told you yesterday

1674
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 3: we did Rogan's podcast. I think you and Joe are

1675
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 3: like the most powerful voices in hunting, and it's just

1676
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 3: it's an honor to be able to finally hunt with

1677
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 3: you man, spend time with your crew and all the

1678
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 3: guy you know. I mean, it's it's just I can't

1679
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 3: express how thankful I am oh.

1680
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate it. Thanks for including that.

1681
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 7: It's been a lot of fun, learned a lot from

1682
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 7: your Thanks a.

1683
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 8: Lot, Thanks Cam, Thank you, Matt.

1684
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 10: With Europe in nineteen forty three, As are spreading through

1685
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 10: our lands like they think they're king all that monnies

1686
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 10: and they eat most everything they do out of body.

1687
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: You know best ring.

1688
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,839
Speaker 10: Now they've taken over Texas and the crossing state lines.

1689
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 10: I on Texas was big, but not.

1690
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Far he swating and falling. Do your part and put it.

1691
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 10: Into their run. It starts with the cheek and it

1692
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 10: rhymes the fun.

1693
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: You'll get a freezer.

1694
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 10: Full of bacon and a neckless falling tust. Doesn't that

1695
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 10: now you're from Bulana. When you take off his shirt.

1696
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 3: Here's a little no fact. If you release a pig,

1697
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 3: he'll turn into a board. It's pretty big.

1698
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 10: He'll brow some tusk and prist the hair. He snivel,

1699
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 10: extend like you just don't care. It's can your pigs

1700
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 10: me then your fens. Don't let him out to make

1701
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 10: new friends now making strong. Don't need one more int

1702
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 10: A hog that's seen the world