WEBVTT - One in Three 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.640 I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.240 in the basement. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:08.479 I'm come to find out. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.120 This is like it exploded into this huge thing. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.320 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.919 shot dead. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.280 I kept calling his phone during the drive. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.800 Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:29.760 he was targeted. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.320 Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:33.320 to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.760 Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:43.760 late to. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.400 Do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.120 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.560 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.880 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.360 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.559 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.840 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.360 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.320 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.720 So I really want to find out more about this 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.840 mysterious white house in Billings, Montana, and how it could 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.760 be connected in some way to Shicaia's disappearance. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.400 Right, we have that old blurry photo that the team 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.080 from Kat's Studios sent us from when they went out 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.680 to Billings in twenty nineteen. Remember they did that documentary 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.960 about missing and murdered Indigenous women for NBC Universal's Oxygen network. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.800 Stephanie and Katie said, we need to talk to Mike Toth. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.720 He's the private investigator they worked with in Montana. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.120 Yeah, hopefully Mike can shed some light on this mysterious house. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.160 Hi Mike, Hi, how are you doing. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.960 I'm good, How are you good? To meet you? Virtually 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:15.880 I guess huh. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.480 You know, Stephane and them, they reached out to me 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.600 in Montana because they were looking for a PI to 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.320 give him some guidance. From then on, we just started 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.880 working on the case in this one that we're talking 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.560 about now was on our radar. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.840 One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.760 today is last week we were provided a couple of photos. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.440 Apparently it's in reference to some weird house where girls 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.680 are supposedly held against their will in the basement and 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.520 bad things are done to them. Are you familiar with that. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.680 I'm familiar with that story, yes. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.520 And that So do you know where that house is? 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.160 Yeah, I'm just sitting I'm in front of her right now. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.040 I'm just driving around Aimiously, you know, they don't know 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.239 exactly what part of it was that I didn't know 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.480 what street. So it's like, I'm gonna just do a 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.000 grid drive and sure enough when I turned the corner 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:06.880 and boom, there it was. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.440 I'm on my laptop looking at it on Google street Maps. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.000 I see it now and so, and this is what 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.120 I told Stephanie. I think the building, it looks like 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.960 it to detach the garage to me more than anything. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.480 So do you believe there's any validity that this house 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.519 was or this building was used to old women girls against. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.440 Her I don't know for sure. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.920 It doesn't look like there's a basement, so like right 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.240 to the right to the front door, there was a 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.400 camera there, right. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.320 It looks like there used to be one. But I 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.760 remember when we were here four years ago there was cameras. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.560 I remember there was cameras all around the house, and 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.040 now there isn't And to me it doesn't look like 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.440 anybody did. Those cars aren't there anymore now. The lawn 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.880 is mode es freshly mode compared to everybody else's, so 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.640 they would just be watching it, I guess, to see 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.160 if somebody's coming and going or checking on it. Yeah, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.360 but right now, if I was a guest, I'd say, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:15.920 no one's living there. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.240 So our private investigator, Mike Talk says no one is 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.760 living there, and the house looks very different than it 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:24.680 did several years ago. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.120 Yeah, which might mean if it was used as a 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.880 trafficking house, and for all intentsive purposes, that's a big gift, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.480 they've probably moved on, which makes a lot of sense. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.520 Human traffickers don't hang out in one spot. They tend 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.479 to move around. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.560 A lot, right, But maybe there's some information about the 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.320 past tenants or the owners that we can find out. John, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:46.719 go go do your thing and let me know what 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:47.200 you find out. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.479 KT Studio sends the photos. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.120 Unfortunately they didn't have the exact address because it was 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:56.880 three years ago. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.640 I went online on Google and try to fin I 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.240 found the park that. This is the weird part. I 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.720 found a park that matches one of the photos they 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.599 sent that KT Studio sentest and that's the park. The 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.560 detective said. Jakia left Tumbleweed to. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.480 Go meet somebody out. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.760 This house is literally three blocks less than half a 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.960 mile from South Park. He went down, He went Yeah, 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.960 he went down and drove around the neighborhood and found 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.960 the building again. He called me. He was sitting across 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.480 the street from the building. He actually sent me a photo. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:37.200 You sent me a link on Discord this morning of maps. Right, yes, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.240 and so I'm looking at it right now, okay, yep, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.719 And I'm looking at South Park, which is the place 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.000 that the private investigator said that she was walking to. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.480 Right and just just to the like ten o'clock, a 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.840 little bit over from the park, there's another red dot. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.960 Yes, that's the building. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.800 Oh, that's the that's the house. Okay, okay, that is 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:01.000 very close. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.600 See now I'm starting to think maybe there's some significance. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.960 So after talking to the PI, I started thinking, okay, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.760 let's find out who owns this building. So I went, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.839 you know, on Google street Maps, it gives it a 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.760 street number. I'm not going to name it right now, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.520 you don't know, but it actually gives it a street number. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.640 So I just went on a real estate site zillow 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.279 dot com and typed it in. It said that address 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.479 doesn't exist, and I thought that's strange. So I said, well, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.599 I'm gonna see if buildings Montana has like an assessor 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.760 parcel map, and so they do. They have a planning 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.880 map and an assessor's property map. I went in type 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.920 that address. It doesn't come up. But what happens is 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.200 the address of the building next to it comes up, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.160 and when you're looking at the parcel map, it includes 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.240 that house next to it. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.640 So it's the same property, two different buildings. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.479 Yes, is that right? 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.040 So same property, two different buildings. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:02.240 Okay, yes, looking at it, you would think maybe there's 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.240 separate buildings. It shows who owns the building next to 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.840 it that you can find it shows it it's an 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.239 LLC company to a person who lives in another state. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:14.800 So it was just kind of. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.880 Why would an LLC own that little barn looking thing. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.239 It looks like a little white barn. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.560 At first, I thought this white building had nothing of 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.400 any significance. But then the more I keep digging in, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:27.240 the more. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.160 Weirder it gets. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.200 So I don't know yet. We don't know this, but 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.240 it is close to the park, so. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.160 We need to It is very close to that part, yes. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.880 So we need to ask. Hopefully we can speak to 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.040 ja Kaia's sister Sony again and ask. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.640 Her if she's if she's heard. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.640 This story about Shikaia leaving tumble Wee. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.080 To go walk to a park to meet somebody. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:52.920 It matches. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.720 But here's the difference. In twenty and nineteen, when they 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.160 found this house, they said there were cameras all over it. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.320 He said, now, there doesn't beat any cameras on this house, okay. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:07.800 And when I looked up the property tax information, up 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.280 until twenty and seventeen, it was owned by one corporation, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.160 but in twenty and eighteen till now it switched to 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.680 a different corporation. Really ownership could have changed in twenty 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.720 and eighteen, which is at the same time that Jakaia 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.240 went missing. Now, maybe we're just this has nothing to 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.520 do with our disappearance. But the more we look at 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.960 this building, this white building, the more weirder it gets, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.920 I guess. So that's just one more thing we need 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:35.560 to run down. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.319 I've been trying to learn about human trafficking since we 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.400 talked to Sunny, and that's what they'll do. They'll rent 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.640 properties for like six months at a time and move constantly, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.360 you know. So it's like they have like a like 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.480 a house, like a like a not a safe house, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.880 because it's clearly not a safe house, but they'll have 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.800 a base, right yeah, and then leave a six months. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.000 So it wouldn't surprise me if there was some sort 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.960 of you know, stash house for these girls. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.160 Well, here's the one thing in both versions of the story, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.520 there's one common alley, and that's Tumbleweed. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.840 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:18.280 a moment. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.920 We need to talk to Shakaia's sister, Shawnee more about 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.199 the day Shakaia disappeared. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.600 Yeah, now that we have a better understanding of the 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.600 area in Billings, the park and this mysterious house. Let's 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:39.640 talk with Shawnee. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.840 Oh and we need to talk about the red pickup 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.400 truck that was mentioned earlier, and that's another thread we 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.000 need to pull out. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:53.320 Uh, hello, is this Shawnee? Hey, yes, Sean, no worries 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.520 one second. I have Deanna on the other line. She's 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.160 at work because she's not gonna talk much. She's just gonna. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:09:59.880 Listen to you and I talk. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.760 Hey, Deanna. Yeah, I have Shane on the line with us. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.640 Talking to you last week was like, very very informative, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.679 gave us a lot of information, and I kind of 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.440 wanted to follow up with that conversation maybe ask some 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.160 follow up questions and some more questions. If that's okay with. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.760 You, Yeah, that's perfectly fine. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.000 And how do we know there's a red truck? I'm 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.280 sorry to keep bothering with these things. We have to like, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.560 we who saw this red truck? 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:26.400 What is this? 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.200 There's a video? We don't know what can you tell us? 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.199 Apparently there is a video of her getting onto this 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.240 red truck. And I don't know if that originated from 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.920 Detective Fritz or exactually exactly who that originated from Supposedly 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.559 there's a video of her getting onto this red truck. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:44.840 I read about that. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.679 Your cousin's posted about that, and she said that tumblewee 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.520 couldn't read the license plate according to Yellstone Counter Share 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:53.880 Ups Office. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.520 But we don't know if that's been verified or not. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.120 So we kind of want to talk to the cops 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.400 and see if they'll tell us anything. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.800 Right, So, who's Detective Fritz if you don't mind me asking. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.439 Detective Fritz is the guy from Yellowstone County Detective's office. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.079 He is the one who actually found her case. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.319 Like I said, nobody gave it to him. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.080 He just picked it up off the desk, and he's 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.319 been the one that's been trying to He's been the 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.680 one that's been on her case for these past four years, and. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.040 He's still actively working it. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.240 I don't know about how actively, but I know he 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.360 is a detective assigned and has. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.959 He been open to speaking with your family about Hicaya. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.320 It kind of seems like it's on his terms, because 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.520 when we try to call or get a hold of 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.600 him or anything, we don't get it on the answer 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.840 back unless he calls us. I don't feel very comfortable 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.560 with them handling my Sissi's. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.120 Case at all. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.520 You know, I don't know exactly what happened. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.800 I just know that she was filed. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.080 Detective Fritz told us himself that he's the one who 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.760 found it three months later and decided to pick it 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.440 up and with it. We would try to call into 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.600 the detective's office, and if we were either told that 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.920 the Tective Fritz needs to get ahold of us, they 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.080 wouldn't really actually listen to what we had to say. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.840 I don't even know if any of the information that 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.400 we told them was taken down and given to him. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:18.520 I don't know. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.760 That's the kind of feeling we have too, and we've 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.440 been through that before personally, you know, so we definitely understand, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.080 and it's very upsetting. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:28.440 I get the. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.080 Impression that they were kind of probably like, oh, you know, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.880 a girl of the streets kind of thing, and on 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.120 top of that, she paid an American and you know 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.400 what I mean, Like, I just get that impression. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.800 That's exactly what happened. Yeah, exactly what happened. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.120 There were a few things that popped up that we 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.680 didn't understand why they weren't being looked into and I'll 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.559 text my mom just to confirm who that was, what 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.400 that was. But again, like there was two things that 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.000 we called in that we got tips on our own 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.320 and don't know if they were taken serious. And then 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.360 if we did talk to Detective Fritz we were told 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:16.480 that it needs to come from a first person, no 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.920 more the no, here's the same thing. Yeah, and which 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.520 I did I get. But at the same time, when 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.240 we're telling you who this is, they were never. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.480 Contacted by Detective Frits. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.320 Yeah, and unfortunately that that time is so important, you know, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.480 and you know that you're living in so Yeah, that's 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.160 kind of the impression that we have as well, and 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.120 we don't want to ruin this investigation. My biggest thing 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:47.880 right now is Rico is in jail right and he 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.520 hasn't had trial yet. He's been in prison or in 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.320 jail for like eighteen months, eighteen nineteen months. Are they 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.040 like putting the pressure on him to get information about 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.480 where he took Shakaya. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.959 You know, this whole situation where Shikaia is missing person's 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.720 case just sat on somebody's desk. It's really bothering me. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.480 I don't get how someone a young girl could go missing, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.679 the family files, the police report, and nothing happens until 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.280 it's just found on someone's desk. It doesn't seem right, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.800 especially since we know that Indigenous women disappear and are 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.600 killed at very alarming rates. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.880 Yeah, it feels like Shakaia's missing person case is part 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.600 of a larger issue with indigenous women in Montana. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.400 I came across this lawyer and indigenous activists. Her name 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.440 is Mary Catherine Nagel. I think she can really help 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.920 us explain how Shakaia's case fits in the larger problem 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.880 of missing and murdered Indigenous women. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.520 Deanna, Yeah, Mary Catherine's on the line with that. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:48.440 Oh wonderful. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.160 Hello, Hello, hello, hello. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.480 We are so nervous to talk to you because we 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.760 read about you today and you are a very very 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:58.600 impressive woman. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.760 Oh that's very kind. Let me just tell you of 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:03.640 any anxiety. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:10.120 I am nothing but a commoner, so there's. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.080 Nothing magic about it. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.160 I'll tell you that. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:17.120 Oh my gosh, you're a playwright, you're a lawyer. Come on, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:18.880 you're pretty impressive. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:20.480 Thank you. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.720 That's that's very kind, and I am just very excited 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.120 to be connected with you two and and to hear 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.360 you know what you're in the stories, you're interested in 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.720 sharing and telling, and. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.120 We wanted to provide some like backstory to Shakaya. She's 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:41.040 our missing woman, and maybe some of the challenges that 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.320 you know that she would experience and and you know 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.080 with law enforcement and her substance abuse problem perhaps and 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.800 why that happens, and you know, like how like the 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.840 Violence Against Women's Act failed and how that all goes inteh, 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:06.040 why tribal sovereigntory is so important, right, So we wanted 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.080 to kind of talk to somebody who knew about that, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.240 and you are like the perfect person to do that. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.640 So I'm so grateful that you're that you're willing to 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:14.440 talk to us. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.440 So the worst that I do is trying to fight, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.040 for instance, for these families and for the lost lives, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:26.000 fighting asking law enforcement to investigate their cases. It's hard work. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.280 There's pretty much every incentive you could think of to 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.280 not investigate the homicides of Native people in this country. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:38.120 And even though we are the population most likely to 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.440 be murdered, for the population who's homouflage and the least 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.400 likely to be investigated, which I think is in part 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.960 why we're murdered as such, incredibly high rates. There are 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.160 just no consequences for murdering Native people. On many reservations 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.880 today and in many urban areas, you can murder a 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.680 Native person and law enforcement will not investigate. 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:57.480 Why. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:58.160 Why is that? 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.800 I mean, is it just back of resources? 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:03.720 Is it just. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:07.240 So? 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.400 There are many reasons why Native women and Native people 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.720 are more likely to be murder than any other population. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.160 One is a jurisdictional issue, and that is that, as 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.800 the Department of Justice has reported, the majority of violent 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.600 crimes committed against Native people are committed by non Indians, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.000 which is a political classification related to citizenships. You're a 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.160 non Indian if you're not a citizen of a trivel nation. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.280 You are an Indian if you are a citizen of 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.120 a trivel nation, And according to the DOJ, non Indians 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.120 are more likely to be committing violent crimes against Indians 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.399 than Indians themselves. The reason that the jurisdictional issue is 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.320 that in nineteen seventy eight, the Supreme Court eliminated a 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.480 tribal criminal jurisdiction over non Indians on tribal lands. So today, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.600 if you're a non Indian, again, someone who's not a 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.000 citizen of a tribal nation, you can come on to 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.560 travel lands and kill anyone you want, and the tribes 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.440 cannot prosecute you. The SBI has jurisdiction, but it's not 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.159 a priority for them. The SBI always has juristiction when 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.040 a Native person is murdered on treble land, but more 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.320 often than not, the SBI declines to investigate. And some 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.320 of that could be attributed to a lack of resources. However, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.560 at the end of the day, it's because it's not 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.440 a priority for the FBI. The FBI does not deem 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.720 it a worthy expenditure of their resources. When you're off 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.439 of tribal lands and you're in communities like Billions or 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.600 hard in Montana and Bigcourt County, tribal governments will have 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.280 jurisdiction beyond the reservation border, so you're depending on you know, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.720 state county law enforcement or the urban police department, you know, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.760 and Billings would be dependent on the Billings police department. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.520 And there's a lot of prejudice and bias in border 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.880 times and urban areas near reservations or with high urban 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.520 Indian population. So, for instance, in Billings Billions, the police 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.200 department has one of the highest rates of killing Native 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.120 peoples there's a high rate of violence perpetrated on Native 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.520 people by the Billings Police Department, and in turn a 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.480 real lack of motivation or incentive for them to investigate. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.480 The homicides of Native people take place. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.679 In buildings similar to that in the Clark County not 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.000 too far away in hard in Montana. Because they have 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.679 learned the higher straights of machine and murdered in the 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.280 entire Uniting States and you know those, the sheriff's office 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.440 there just not investigate homicides of Native people. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.920 So in doing some research just on Chicaia's case, we 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.800 wanted to see how big of a problem this was 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.919 and looking up data and report So the one statistic 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.000 that really stood out to me was the one in 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.560 three statistic that came out of the nineteen ninety eight 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.760 Dog report about violence against women that basically reported that 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.440 one in three Native American or Native. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.639 Women have been a victim of sexual assault, particularly rape, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:47.679 And that number. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.280 Just blew me away, from which I think goes to 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:51.120 the bigger issues. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.800 Law enforcement doesn't care and doesn't want to solve these bases, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.400 and it's very scary, and I hopefully by us talking 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.480 about and this podcast will bring more attention to it 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.080 and make people understand who are not Native Americans why 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:06.960 this is important. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.480 Have you personally been involved in the case where you 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.240 brought information or evidence to law enforcement and how do 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:14.760 you handle it when you brought. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.560 It to them, have ignored it? I have interviewed eyewitnesses, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:24.600 Aaron typed up notes and sent them to county officials, 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.320 encouraging them to follow up with the eyewitnesses. I have 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.240