Speaker 1: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
Speaker 1: in the basement.
Speaker 2: Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 3: I'm come to find out.
Speaker 4: This is like it exploded into this huge thing.
Speaker 5: I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 6: Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
Speaker 6: shot dead.
Speaker 5: I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 1: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 1: It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 7: His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
Speaker 7: he was targeted.
Speaker 5: Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come
Speaker 5: to the police station.
Speaker 8: Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.
Speaker 6: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
Speaker 6: late to.
Speaker 9: Do the right thing.
Speaker 4: So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 8: I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
Speaker 8: spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
Speaker 8: the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
Speaker 8: animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 4: We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
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Speaker 4: get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
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Speaker 4: move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Speaker 8: Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 4: That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
Speaker 4: to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 8: This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
Speaker 8: So I really want to find out more about this
Speaker 8: mysterious white house in Billings, Montana, and how it could
Speaker 8: be connected in some way to Shicaia's disappearance.
Speaker 4: Right, we have that old blurry photo that the team
Speaker 4: from Kat's Studios sent us from when they went out
Speaker 4: to Billings in twenty nineteen. Remember they did that documentary
Speaker 4: about missing and murdered Indigenous women for NBC Universal's Oxygen network.
Speaker 4: Stephanie and Katie said, we need to talk to Mike Toth.
Speaker 4: He's the private investigator they worked with in Montana.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hopefully Mike can shed some light on this mysterious house.
Speaker 6: Hi Mike, Hi, how are you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm good, How are you good? To meet you? Virtually
Speaker 4: I guess huh.
Speaker 6: You know, Stephane and them, they reached out to me
Speaker 6: in Montana because they were looking for a PI to
Speaker 6: give him some guidance. From then on, we just started
Speaker 6: working on the case in this one that we're talking
Speaker 6: about now was on our radar.
Speaker 8: One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 8: today is last week we were provided a couple of photos.
Speaker 8: Apparently it's in reference to some weird house where girls
Speaker 8: are supposedly held against their will in the basement and
Speaker 8: bad things are done to them. Are you familiar with that.
Speaker 6: I'm familiar with that story, yes.
Speaker 2: And that So do you know where that house is?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just sitting I'm in front of her right now.
Speaker 6: I'm just driving around Aimiously, you know, they don't know
Speaker 6: exactly what part of it was that I didn't know
Speaker 6: what street. So it's like, I'm gonna just do a
Speaker 6: grid drive and sure enough when I turned the corner
Speaker 6: and boom, there it was.
Speaker 8: I'm on my laptop looking at it on Google street Maps.
Speaker 8: I see it now and so, and this is what
Speaker 8: I told Stephanie. I think the building, it looks like
Speaker 8: it to detach the garage to me more than anything.
Speaker 8: So do you believe there's any validity that this house
Speaker 8: was or this building was used to old women girls against.
Speaker 6: Her I don't know for sure.
Speaker 8: It doesn't look like there's a basement, so like right
Speaker 8: to the right to the front door, there was a
Speaker 8: camera there, right.
Speaker 6: It looks like there used to be one. But I
Speaker 6: remember when we were here four years ago there was cameras.
Speaker 6: I remember there was cameras all around the house, and
Speaker 6: now there isn't And to me it doesn't look like
Speaker 6: anybody did. Those cars aren't there anymore now. The lawn
Speaker 6: is mode es freshly mode compared to everybody else's, so
Speaker 6: they would just be watching it, I guess, to see
Speaker 6: if somebody's coming and going or checking on it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but right now, if I was a guest, I'd say,
Speaker 6: no one's living there.
Speaker 4: So our private investigator, Mike Talk says no one is
Speaker 4: living there, and the house looks very different than it
Speaker 4: did several years ago.
Speaker 8: Yeah, which might mean if it was used as a
Speaker 8: trafficking house, and for all intentsive purposes, that's a big gift,
Speaker 8: they've probably moved on, which makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: Human traffickers don't hang out in one spot. They tend
Speaker 8: to move around.
Speaker 4: A lot, right, But maybe there's some information about the
Speaker 4: past tenants or the owners that we can find out. John,
Speaker 4: go go do your thing and let me know what
Speaker 4: you find out.
Speaker 2: KT Studio sends the photos.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately they didn't have the exact address because it was
Speaker 6: three years ago.
Speaker 2: I went online on Google and try to fin I
Speaker 2: found the park that. This is the weird part. I
Speaker 2: found a park that matches one of the photos they
Speaker 2: sent that KT Studio sentest and that's the park. The
Speaker 2: detective said. Jakia left Tumbleweed to.
Speaker 10: Go meet somebody out.
Speaker 2: This house is literally three blocks less than half a
Speaker 2: mile from South Park. He went down, He went Yeah,
Speaker 2: he went down and drove around the neighborhood and found
Speaker 2: the building again. He called me. He was sitting across
Speaker 2: the street from the building. He actually sent me a photo.
Speaker 4: You sent me a link on Discord this morning of maps. Right, yes,
Speaker 4: and so I'm looking at it right now, okay, yep,
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at South Park, which is the place
Speaker 4: that the private investigator said that she was walking to.
Speaker 2: Right and just just to the like ten o'clock, a
Speaker 2: little bit over from the park, there's another red dot.
Speaker 10: Yes, that's the building.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's the that's the house. Okay, okay, that is
Speaker 4: very close.
Speaker 2: See now I'm starting to think maybe there's some significance.
Speaker 2: So after talking to the PI, I started thinking, okay,
Speaker 2: let's find out who owns this building. So I went,
Speaker 2: you know, on Google street Maps, it gives it a
Speaker 2: street number. I'm not going to name it right now,
Speaker 2: you don't know, but it actually gives it a street number.
Speaker 2: So I just went on a real estate site zillow
Speaker 2: dot com and typed it in. It said that address
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, and I thought that's strange. So I said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see if buildings Montana has like an assessor
Speaker 2: parcel map, and so they do. They have a planning
Speaker 2: map and an assessor's property map. I went in type
Speaker 2: that address. It doesn't come up. But what happens is
Speaker 2: the address of the building next to it comes up,
Speaker 2: and when you're looking at the parcel map, it includes
Speaker 2: that house next to it.
Speaker 4: So it's the same property, two different buildings.
Speaker 10: Yes, is that right?
Speaker 4: So same property, two different buildings.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, looking at it, you would think maybe there's
Speaker 2: separate buildings. It shows who owns the building next to
Speaker 2: it that you can find it shows it it's an
Speaker 2: LLC company to a person who lives in another state.
Speaker 2: So it was just kind of.
Speaker 4: Why would an LLC own that little barn looking thing.
Speaker 4: It looks like a little white barn.
Speaker 2: At first, I thought this white building had nothing of
Speaker 2: any significance. But then the more I keep digging in,
Speaker 2: the more.
Speaker 10: Weirder it gets.
Speaker 2: So I don't know yet. We don't know this, but
Speaker 2: it is close to the park, so.
Speaker 4: We need to It is very close to that part, yes.
Speaker 2: So we need to ask. Hopefully we can speak to
Speaker 2: ja Kaia's sister Sony again and ask.
Speaker 10: Her if she's if she's heard.
Speaker 2: This story about Shikaia leaving tumble Wee.
Speaker 11: To go walk to a park to meet somebody.
Speaker 6: It matches.
Speaker 2: But here's the difference. In twenty and nineteen, when they
Speaker 2: found this house, they said there were cameras all over it.
Speaker 2: He said, now, there doesn't beat any cameras on this house, okay.
Speaker 2: And when I looked up the property tax information, up
Speaker 2: until twenty and seventeen, it was owned by one corporation,
Speaker 2: but in twenty and eighteen till now it switched to
Speaker 2: a different corporation. Really ownership could have changed in twenty
Speaker 2: and eighteen, which is at the same time that Jakaia
Speaker 2: went missing. Now, maybe we're just this has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with our disappearance. But the more we look at
Speaker 2: this building, this white building, the more weirder it gets,
Speaker 2: I guess. So that's just one more thing we need
Speaker 2: to run down.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to learn about human trafficking since we
Speaker 4: talked to Sunny, and that's what they'll do. They'll rent
Speaker 4: properties for like six months at a time and move constantly,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's like they have like a like
Speaker 4: a house, like a like a not a safe house,
Speaker 4: because it's clearly not a safe house, but they'll have
Speaker 4: a base, right yeah, and then leave a six months.
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't surprise me if there was some sort
Speaker 4: of you know, stash house for these girls.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the one thing in both versions of the story,
Speaker 2: there's one common alley, and that's Tumbleweed.
Speaker 8: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 8: a moment.
Speaker 4: We need to talk to Shakaia's sister, Shawnee more about
Speaker 4: the day Shakaia disappeared.
Speaker 8: Yeah, now that we have a better understanding of the
Speaker 8: area in Billings, the park and this mysterious house. Let's
Speaker 8: talk with Shawnee.
Speaker 4: Oh and we need to talk about the red pickup
Speaker 4: truck that was mentioned earlier, and that's another thread we
Speaker 4: need to pull out.
Speaker 8: Uh, hello, is this Shawnee? Hey, yes, Sean, no worries
Speaker 8: one second. I have Deanna on the other line. She's
Speaker 8: at work because she's not gonna talk much. She's just gonna.
Speaker 4: Listen to you and I talk.
Speaker 8: Hey, Deanna. Yeah, I have Shane on the line with us.
Speaker 8: Talking to you last week was like, very very informative,
Speaker 8: gave us a lot of information, and I kind of
Speaker 8: wanted to follow up with that conversation maybe ask some
Speaker 8: follow up questions and some more questions. If that's okay with.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 8: And how do we know there's a red truck? I'm
Speaker 8: sorry to keep bothering with these things. We have to like,
Speaker 8: we who saw this red truck?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 8: There's a video? We don't know what can you tell us?
Speaker 1: Apparently there is a video of her getting onto this
Speaker 1: red truck. And I don't know if that originated from
Speaker 1: Detective Fritz or exactually exactly who that originated from Supposedly
Speaker 1: there's a video of her getting onto this red truck.
Speaker 3: I read about that.
Speaker 9: Your cousin's posted about that, and she said that tumblewee
Speaker 9: couldn't read the license plate according to Yellstone Counter Share
Speaker 9: Ups Office.
Speaker 3: But we don't know if that's been verified or not.
Speaker 3: So we kind of want to talk to the cops
Speaker 3: and see if they'll tell us anything.
Speaker 8: Right, So, who's Detective Fritz if you don't mind me asking.
Speaker 1: Detective Fritz is the guy from Yellowstone County Detective's office.
Speaker 1: He is the one who actually found her case.
Speaker 3: Like I said, nobody gave it to him.
Speaker 1: He just picked it up off the desk, and he's
Speaker 1: been the one that's been trying to He's been the
Speaker 1: one that's been on her case for these past four years, and.
Speaker 8: He's still actively working it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about how actively, but I know he
Speaker 1: is a detective assigned and has.
Speaker 8: He been open to speaking with your family about Hicaya.
Speaker 1: It kind of seems like it's on his terms, because
Speaker 1: when we try to call or get a hold of
Speaker 1: him or anything, we don't get it on the answer
Speaker 1: back unless he calls us. I don't feel very comfortable
Speaker 1: with them handling my Sissi's.
Speaker 3: Case at all.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: I just know that she was filed.
Speaker 1: Detective Fritz told us himself that he's the one who
Speaker 1: found it three months later and decided to pick it
Speaker 1: up and with it. We would try to call into
Speaker 1: the detective's office, and if we were either told that
Speaker 1: the Tective Fritz needs to get ahold of us, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't really actually listen to what we had to say.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if any of the information that
Speaker 1: we told them was taken down and given to him.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: That's the kind of feeling we have too, and we've
Speaker 9: been through that before personally, you know, so we definitely understand,
Speaker 9: and it's very upsetting.
Speaker 3: I get the.
Speaker 12: Impression that they were kind of probably like, oh, you know,
Speaker 12: a girl of the streets kind of thing, and on
Speaker 12: top of that, she paid an American and you know
Speaker 12: what I mean, Like, I just get that impression.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. Yeah, exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: There were a few things that popped up that we
Speaker 1: didn't understand why they weren't being looked into and I'll
Speaker 1: text my mom just to confirm who that was, what
Speaker 1: that was. But again, like there was two things that
Speaker 1: we called in that we got tips on our own
Speaker 1: and don't know if they were taken serious. And then
Speaker 1: if we did talk to Detective Fritz we were told
Speaker 1: that it needs to come from a first person, no
Speaker 1: more the no, here's the same thing. Yeah, and which
Speaker 1: I did I get. But at the same time, when
Speaker 1: we're telling you who this is, they were never.
Speaker 3: Contacted by Detective Frits.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and unfortunately that that time is so important, you know,
Speaker 9: and you know that you're living in so Yeah, that's
Speaker 9: kind of the impression that we have as well, and
Speaker 9: we don't want to ruin this investigation. My biggest thing
Speaker 9: right now is Rico is in jail right and he
Speaker 9: hasn't had trial yet. He's been in prison or in
Speaker 9: jail for like eighteen months, eighteen nineteen months. Are they
Speaker 9: like putting the pressure on him to get information about
Speaker 9: where he took Shakaya.
Speaker 8: You know, this whole situation where Shikaia is missing person's
Speaker 8: case just sat on somebody's desk. It's really bothering me.
Speaker 4: I don't get how someone a young girl could go missing,
Speaker 4: the family files, the police report, and nothing happens until
Speaker 4: it's just found on someone's desk. It doesn't seem right,
Speaker 4: especially since we know that Indigenous women disappear and are
Speaker 4: killed at very alarming rates.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it feels like Shakaia's missing person case is part
Speaker 8: of a larger issue with indigenous women in Montana.
Speaker 4: I came across this lawyer and indigenous activists. Her name
Speaker 4: is Mary Catherine Nagel. I think she can really help
Speaker 4: us explain how Shakaia's case fits in the larger problem
Speaker 4: of missing and murdered Indigenous women.
Speaker 2: Deanna, Yeah, Mary Catherine's on the line with that.
Speaker 4: Oh wonderful.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 4: We are so nervous to talk to you because we
Speaker 4: read about you today and you are a very very
Speaker 4: impressive woman.
Speaker 5: Oh that's very kind. Let me just tell you of
Speaker 5: any anxiety.
Speaker 3: I am nothing but a commoner, so there's.
Speaker 7: Nothing magic about it.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you're a playwright, you're a lawyer. Come on,
Speaker 4: you're pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's that's very kind, and I am just very excited
Speaker 5: to be connected with you two and and to hear
Speaker 5: you know what you're in the stories, you're interested in
Speaker 5: sharing and telling, and.
Speaker 4: We wanted to provide some like backstory to Shakaya. She's
Speaker 4: our missing woman, and maybe some of the challenges that
Speaker 4: you know that she would experience and and you know
Speaker 4: with law enforcement and her substance abuse problem perhaps and
Speaker 4: why that happens, and you know, like how like the
Speaker 4: Violence Against Women's Act failed and how that all goes inteh,
Speaker 4: why tribal sovereigntory is so important, right, So we wanted
Speaker 4: to kind of talk to somebody who knew about that,
Speaker 4: and you are like the perfect person to do that.
Speaker 4: So I'm so grateful that you're that you're willing to
Speaker 4: talk to us.
Speaker 5: So the worst that I do is trying to fight,
Speaker 5: for instance, for these families and for the lost lives,
Speaker 5: fighting asking law enforcement to investigate their cases. It's hard work.
Speaker 5: There's pretty much every incentive you could think of to
Speaker 5: not investigate the homicides of Native people in this country.
Speaker 5: And even though we are the population most likely to
Speaker 5: be murdered, for the population who's homouflage and the least
Speaker 5: likely to be investigated, which I think is in part
Speaker 5: why we're murdered as such, incredibly high rates. There are
Speaker 5: just no consequences for murdering Native people. On many reservations
Speaker 5: today and in many urban areas, you can murder a
Speaker 5: Native person and law enforcement will not investigate.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 7: Why is that?
Speaker 10: I mean, is it just back of resources?
Speaker 5: Is it just.
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 5: There are many reasons why Native women and Native people
Speaker 5: are more likely to be murder than any other population.
Speaker 5: One is a jurisdictional issue, and that is that, as
Speaker 5: the Department of Justice has reported, the majority of violent
Speaker 5: crimes committed against Native people are committed by non Indians,
Speaker 5: which is a political classification related to citizenships. You're a
Speaker 5: non Indian if you're not a citizen of a trivel nation.
Speaker 5: You are an Indian if you are a citizen of
Speaker 5: a trivel nation, And according to the DOJ, non Indians
Speaker 5: are more likely to be committing violent crimes against Indians
Speaker 5: than Indians themselves. The reason that the jurisdictional issue is
Speaker 5: that in nineteen seventy eight, the Supreme Court eliminated a
Speaker 5: tribal criminal jurisdiction over non Indians on tribal lands. So today,
Speaker 5: if you're a non Indian, again, someone who's not a
Speaker 5: citizen of a tribal nation, you can come on to
Speaker 5: travel lands and kill anyone you want, and the tribes
Speaker 5: cannot prosecute you. The SBI has jurisdiction, but it's not
Speaker 5: a priority for them. The SBI always has juristiction when
Speaker 5: a Native person is murdered on treble land, but more
Speaker 5: often than not, the SBI declines to investigate. And some
Speaker 5: of that could be attributed to a lack of resources. However,
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it's because it's not
Speaker 5: a priority for the FBI. The FBI does not deem
Speaker 5: it a worthy expenditure of their resources. When you're off
Speaker 5: of tribal lands and you're in communities like Billions or
Speaker 5: hard in Montana and Bigcourt County, tribal governments will have
Speaker 5: jurisdiction beyond the reservation border, so you're depending on you know,
Speaker 5: state county law enforcement or the urban police department, you know,
Speaker 5: and Billings would be dependent on the Billings police department.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of prejudice and bias in border
Speaker 5: times and urban areas near reservations or with high urban
Speaker 5: Indian population. So, for instance, in Billings Billions, the police
Speaker 5: department has one of the highest rates of killing Native
Speaker 5: peoples there's a high rate of violence perpetrated on Native
Speaker 5: people by the Billings Police Department, and in turn a
Speaker 5: real lack of motivation or incentive for them to investigate.
Speaker 3: The homicides of Native people take place.
Speaker 5: In buildings similar to that in the Clark County not
Speaker 5: too far away in hard in Montana. Because they have
Speaker 5: learned the higher straights of machine and murdered in the
Speaker 5: entire Uniting States and you know those, the sheriff's office
Speaker 5: there just not investigate homicides of Native people.
Speaker 10: So in doing some research just on Chicaia's case, we
Speaker 10: wanted to see how big of a problem this was
Speaker 10: and looking up data and report So the one statistic
Speaker 10: that really stood out to me was the one in
Speaker 10: three statistic that came out of the nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 10: Dog report about violence against women that basically reported that
Speaker 10: one in three Native American or Native.
Speaker 11: Women have been a victim of sexual assault, particularly rape,
Speaker 11: And that number.
Speaker 2: Just blew me away, from which I think goes to
Speaker 2: the bigger issues.
Speaker 11: Law enforcement doesn't care and doesn't want to solve these bases,
Speaker 11: and it's very scary, and I hopefully by us talking
Speaker 11: about and this podcast will bring more attention to it
Speaker 11: and make people understand who are not Native Americans why
Speaker 11: this is important.
Speaker 10: Have you personally been involved in the case where you
Speaker 10: brought information or evidence to law enforcement and how do
Speaker 10: you handle it when you brought.
Speaker 5: It to them, have ignored it? I have interviewed eyewitnesses,
Speaker 5: Aaron typed up notes and sent them to county officials,
Speaker 5: encouraging them to follow up with the eyewitnesses. I have
Speaker 5: called the SBI and tried to give them tips, and
Speaker 5: every time I've done that, those tips and information I've
Speaker 5: related has been ignored.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, that's in your lawyer. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, you know what I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 7: Well, I actually had an SCI agent in the office
Speaker 7: and buildings yell at me and say, you know, I'm
Speaker 7: not going to investigate a case just because a lawyer
Speaker 7: telps me I have to.
Speaker 5: And I of course said, well, I'm not telling you,
Speaker 5: you have to just tell me you this relevant information,
Speaker 5: but I mean.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, wow, that makes me really upset.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, well, we really and we know you have to go.
Speaker 4: We really really really really appreciate you talking to us.
Speaker 5: Please, you know, don't hesitate to up.
Speaker 4: We will for sure.
Speaker 5: I would be happy to speak to you again if
Speaker 5: you feel like that would be helpful. So okay, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm just really faithful you're covering this.
Speaker 4: We'll definitely be in touch for sure. Thank you so much,
Speaker 4: so much, have a good night. Bye. Let's stop here
Speaker 4: for another quick break. After our conversation with Mary Catherine Nagel,
Speaker 4: we sent an email to Detective Fritz of the Elston
Speaker 4: County Sheriff's Office just to see if they were still
Speaker 4: working on the case and looking at to Rico's involvement.
Speaker 4: The good news is that Detective Fritz did respond via email.
Speaker 8: But he also said he would call us to at
Speaker 8: least confirm that they were in fact working on the case,
Speaker 8: and he never did, which kind of leaves us wondering
Speaker 8: about the status of her case in Rico's potential involvement.
Speaker 8: But the more interesting thing that has happened is the
Speaker 8: text message from a friend of Shakaya's. Shawnee sent us
Speaker 8: the screenshots of text messages she received a few months
Speaker 8: ago from a friend named Kristin. She apparently saw Shakaia
Speaker 8: in Great Falls, Montana, which is just three and a
Speaker 8: half hours from Billings, where Shikaya disappeared.
Speaker 4: The text from Kristin read I saw her walking, she
Speaker 4: ran and got into the back seat with them. It
Speaker 4: looked like she had a limp. My dad said it
Speaker 4: was a guy driving, but he couldn't make out what
Speaker 4: he looked like. He had a mask on and the
Speaker 4: windows were tinted. Almost positive it was a Goldbuick. That's
Speaker 4: huge for a couple of reasons. If true Shakaya is
Speaker 4: still alive. After seeing this text, I want to talk
Speaker 4: to Shawnee and let her know what our private investigator
Speaker 4: turned up.
Speaker 1: Karen is the one who sent me these screenshots, gotcha,
Speaker 1: And again, Kristen would know what she looked like. She
Speaker 1: has seen her, she's she's known her. And again we
Speaker 1: have heard multiple times that she has a limp.
Speaker 5: So did you.
Speaker 8: Guys ever figure out what type of vehicle Rico drove
Speaker 8: or owned? No, so the PI gave us a report
Speaker 8: he owned a Buick.
Speaker 3: So when you send us those text messages today, my
Speaker 3: heart left out of my chest.
Speaker 8: Like the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, meat too, because why I always under I always sorry.
Speaker 9: I know, I get it, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 8: But this is good news. No no, this is good
Speaker 8: news because information that we've got matches up with somebody
Speaker 8: who may have seen her in Great Falls, and and
Speaker 8: it's more of a connection. I don't mean to make
Speaker 8: you cry. I'm so sorry, but to us, like when
Speaker 8: we saw your text messages and we had seen the
Speaker 8: report from the PI, both of us like, oh my god.
Speaker 8: Deanna starts texting me like did you see this. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I know, right, And that's why we wanted to talk
Speaker 8: to you today. Now we're not saying this is.
Speaker 3: The s It could be a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, I know, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: just what makes me wonder, though, is because why would
Speaker 1: she just get in?
Speaker 3: Knowing who she is? Why would she Why would she
Speaker 3: just get in? That's what I always wondered. And you
Speaker 3: know that Romelo is from Great Falls. In fact, I
Speaker 3: do not know that.
Speaker 9: In fact, he just got arrested for being on top
Speaker 9: of a woman in a parking lot that he.
Speaker 3: Assaulted in Great Falls. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 9: So I'm itching, you know what I mean, I'm like
Speaker 9: itching my Spidey senses, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They're atactingly.
Speaker 4: More on that next time.
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Speaker 8: Courtney Armstrong, Jeff Shane, Andrew Arnout, and me John Green.
Speaker 8: Additional producing by Connor Powell and Gabe Castile, Editing by
Speaker 8: Jeff Ti music by Vanikor Music.
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