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Speaker 1: to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk

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Speaker 1: to people that I like about the paranormal. It is

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Speaker 1: It is indeed my birthday. Yeah, I mean my birthday

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Speaker 1: many reasons. And we've got a doozy for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: currently eating a donut to celebrate. Actually it's to celebrate

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Speaker 1: me coming home from my forty six city comedy tour,

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Speaker 1: which was fantastic, and when I arrived here today, my

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Speaker 1: lovely team that works on this podcast with me here

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Speaker 1: at exactly right, got me donuts. It's also the day

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Speaker 1: birthday to me. I got to talk to the director

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Speaker 1: of a film called A Cursed Man and this documentary.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry but this person. When I first heard about it,

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Speaker 1: a story from a listener. This one comes from Heather.

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Speaker 1: This story says, I have a story for you. For

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Speaker 1: Why am I American? You're wait, you're British? M M cool. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean it's ridiculous as that sounds. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we I definitely had family. My grandmother felt

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Speaker 2: And that to me made me think, Wow, this spooky

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I'm there, Go find that coyote, be friends with it.

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Speaker 2: and I wanted people to see, Okay, here's the reasons

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00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: why you shouldn't be doing this and here's the reasons why. Okay, well,

431
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: maybe we do test ourselves in our spiritual practice. There's

432
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: a bit of both sides of that journey, and so

433
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: that was sort of fun to take on.

434
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: If you're one of these practitioners and you obviously believe

435
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: very strongly in all of this, it's such a moral

436
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: dilemma for them. It's almost I mean it's almost like

437
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: assisted suicide or something that in their mind I would think, right.

438
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean certainly. We go to see a chap

439
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: called Prince Tayanika, who's a wonderful voodoo practitioner, and he

440
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: really takes me to task on this. He's like, what

441
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: are you doing? Like this is almost you coming in,

442
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: as he rightfully points out, as a white person coming

443
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: into our practice looking for a curse. Almost seems entitled

444
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: that you're coming into our and doing this. But he

445
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: actually said that to me on the phone before we

446
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: went down there, and I said to him, you're right,

447
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: I need to be aware of this. Can we do

448
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: this on camera? And he goes, well, I'm not going

449
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: to do this for you. I'm going to tell you

450
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: off if anything, and I went, please, I want to

451
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: hear that point of view. I don't want to keep

452
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: that out, like, I don't want people to think that

453
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm not aware of this. I'm still on this search

454
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: to find magic. And maybe I won't carry on, or

455
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: maybe I will, but you come, you know, tell me.

456
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: So we do that, and he was wonderful and so

457
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: you know in the film where he definitely like, lets

458
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: me have it, and I think it's important, it's an

459
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: important valid point. I really struggled after that because he

460
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: didn't hold back, and I genuinely was really upset afterwards.

461
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: And I, look, I'm not trying to step on anyone's

462
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: toes here. I'm genuinely trying to seek and find out

463
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: for myself. People say they have this ability to create curses,

464
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: you know, will it happen to me? Could it happen?

465
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: So it's a really I really struggled because I didn't

466
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: want to upset people. I didn't want to make this,

467
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: despite looking for causes a negative film. And then then

468
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: the next day or two we found sent Elias in

469
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: New Orleans and I called him up and said we'd

470
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: already spoken on the phone. I said, you still prepared

471
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: to you talk about this and do this? He said, come, down,

472
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: come see me, Let's do a reading and we'll go

473
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: from there. So I kind of like with then letting

474
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: the sequence of events unfold. I could have stopped the

475
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: film right there after being told not to do it.

476
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: That wasn't really in me. I was still hungry. But

477
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: we went to see senilias he did a reading and

478
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: he was like, okay, there's I see stuff for you

479
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: to learn through this, and so he said, and I

480
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: asked him, were you still prepared to do this, you know?

481
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: And he went yeah, and he has this wonderful line

482
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, but now it's going to be a

483
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: lot more fun. And his energy, I mean, I genuinely

484
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: think this is I'm deeply proud of this as a

485
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: cinematic moment and experience. We film an actual curse being

486
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: put around wrapped around an old coffin nail around the

487
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: piece of my hair that he cuts off into a

488
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: charm to be worn around my neck to literally curse me,

489
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: and his whole energy changed. He's such a warm, really

490
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: friendly guy, and when he was working this negative magic,

491
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: it got scary. I was genuinely at that point, oh shit,

492
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: what have I just done? Ties this thing around my neck?

493
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: And and a funny story. Right afterwards, he cleanses himself

494
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: with this cleansing lotion and then he asked the cruise

495
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: and you guys want anything. They couldn't grab the bottle fast.

496
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: One of my caraman, Sam was pouring this around his neck.

497
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: He was just like, get it on me. We were

498
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: all freaked out a little bit. And that was definitely

499
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: a moment when I went, oh, this is real. I

500
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: just did this. Okay, yeah, here we are what happens next?

501
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: So do you feel like that one started to work?

502
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? So in the film it's really condensed. You're nineteen

503
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: minutes trying and tell the story, and that we filmed

504
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: and made this over a year or so and so

505
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: over the year, so it did definitely. Did I start

506
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: having these dreams? It started in my dreams. I had

507
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: a lot of really bad nightmares and the sense of

508
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: anxiety starts to come on. This is the thing that's

509
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: interesting about this, Like what is a curse? Is a curse?

510
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: Psychology is a curse something we tell ourselves and we

511
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: make ourselves believe. And also how powerful is our subconscious

512
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: because that's working twenty four hours a day, driving us,

513
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: driving out Psychology and so I've just put myself under

514
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: a curse. And so this is happening under the hood,

515
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: if you know, as you were. And so I'm having

516
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: these dreams, I'm feeling this anxiety, like my wife would

517
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: come home late from work and I'm like, oh, hope

518
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: there wasn't a traffic accident. Or once you start living

519
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: a life like that, you start feeling it and that

520
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: starts to seep into you physically. You know, if you're

521
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: feeling tense, you know, if you're feeling that anxiety. So

522
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: some people are like, you got curse, buddy, that's what

523
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: you wanted. You got a curse. Some people would say

524
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: that psychology, I think the two are really intertwined, and

525
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: I I don't know that I could easily differentiate which

526
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: is which.

527
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: Right, especially if you have a bunch of different curses.

528
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: It's like which one is doing this right?

529
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: So despite that right out, so I've got this, I'm

530
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: starting to feel anxiety, but I'm still like, well, let's

531
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: let's go. We'd planned earlier on like India's on our

532
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: list of places we wanted to go, so we hopped

533
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: on a plane. I still, you know, I think this

534
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: might upset some people but I still have the curse

535
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: around my neck when I hopped on a plane, and

536
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: it was only ever meant to harm me. I was

537
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: very careful about that. And we hop on a plane.

538
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: We fly to India. Interestingly enough, we we missed a

539
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: connecting flight and we almost because of our visa situations.

540
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure we were actually going to be allowed

541
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: into into India. Curses starting to work. I'm scratching my

542
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: head trying to figure out, how do we get over

543
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: this visa situation we've messed up? And alah, so yeah,

544
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: curse and uh. We get to India and we go

545
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: looking for a magic practice there and just a beautiful,

546
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: wonderful experience to find and look for people in India

547
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: as well.

548
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if it like works the same if you

549
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: want it, you know what I mean? Like ninety nine

550
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: point nine nine percent of the time you hear about

551
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: someone's cursed, whether it's real or not or whatever, it's

552
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: like someone put the curse on them, or they somehow

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: did something that got them cursed. It's not necessarily it's

554
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: never people asking for it. So I just wonder, I

555
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: wonder if you know if any.

556
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: Of this is real?

557
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: These curses if that, which, by the way, I'm skeptical

558
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: of curses. But if anyone listening to this is a

559
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: witch or whatever, please I don't want to find out.

560
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Which is how I approach all of this stuff. I'm like, like,

561
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: like your crew members, I'm like, I'll I'll put this

562
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: all over me. I don't care. Was your crew skeptical

563
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: or where were they on it?

564
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they were skeptical, but they were also

565
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a lot more cautious. I noticed they started wearing like

566
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: black tormaline trinkets and things to grab that negative energy.

567
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: You know, they went and got some protection just in case.

568
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: And I don't blame them for that at all.

569
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: How is your wife with this?

570
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: So my wife is a mental health therapist, so she's

571
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: very practical minded, and she's very much like, I don't

572
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: believe in this. I don't think this is going to

573
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: have an effect on you. So yeah she was because

574
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: obviously after her at the beginning, like are you going

575
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: to be cool with this? So I go run around

576
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: looking for curses? She was like, yeah, do me one

577
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: favor though, just make sure your life insurance is up today. Yeah,

578
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: which is a fair it's a fair comment. And I

579
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: think that's also more to do with going into the

580
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: jungle of India and like the jungles of Mexico, looking

581
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: for curses with people you don't know, people who like

582
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: who are people are open to the idea of practicing

583
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: harmful magic. Who knows who you're gonna.

584
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: Find, especially if you're like going out in the woods

585
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: or wherever.

586
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, particularly in India. We struggled to find

587
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: anyone who would practice magic. And it's important to note

588
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: that in India, black magic is outlawed. It's illegal to

589
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: practice in India, so it wasn't going to be easy

590
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: for anyone to just come up say yeah, I'll do

591
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: that for you and do it on camera and get

592
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: myself into trouble. So I didn't realize that actually it

593
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: was that illegal until we got there. So you know,

594
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: we had a time of trying to figure out how

595
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: do we navigate this, and we kept asking people, and

596
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: eventually we found someone who was like, I have a place.

597
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: It's deep in the jungle. It's two miles into the jungle.

598
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: We can only do this at night. It's full of

599
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: wild animals, and wild animals do attack people in India

600
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: in the.

601
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Jungles and what are we talking wild animals.

602
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh, we're talking you know, tigers and you know things

603
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: that will prey on you. You won't know they're coming

604
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: until they're eating you. And so and they were like, okay,

605
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: we can only go up there at night. We can't

606
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: come back down. We have to sleep up there on

607
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: the top of this mountain at night. And yeah, this

608
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: is these are my terms if you want me to practice.

609
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: And he works with a spirit called Well, a spirit

610
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: that is around black magic and magic in India. And

611
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: I forgot the name of the deity. Will come back

612
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: to me. But and he said, I can open up

613
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: this portal and she will judge upon you what she

614
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: should give you. And he said, look, if she wants

615
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: to cut off your head, she'll do it. I'm like, okay,

616
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: so this is all quite worrying. Other tantrick practitioners in

617
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: the area told us, hey, don't maybe don't go with

618
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: this guy because he's new in the area. We don't

619
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: really know him and so, but nobody else was prepared

620
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: to show us some things.

621
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: So I was like, you're there. You got the cameras.

622
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: We spent like a week in India, like running around

623
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: looking for this, I'm like, So there was definitely a moment.

624
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: My crew and I we had a talk and they

625
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: were like, Leam, we don't think you should go up there,

626
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: and we don't want to go up there, and we

627
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: don't think you should. So I said, cool, let's sleep

628
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: on it and we'll all decide in the morning. And

629
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: I called my wife that night. Actually, I called my

630
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: wife and said, hey, I'm going to go do this

631
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: crazy thing, and she's like, look, I trust your instincts

632
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: to take care of yourself. I've been a documentary filmmaker

633
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: in all sorts of unusual places for twenty years. She said, look,

634
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: you've got good instincts, but just do me a favor, like,

635
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: just really take care of yourself and make like sensible decisions.

636
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: So I decided I wouldn't take the crew up there.

637
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: I didn't want to put anyone else at risk. And

638
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: I decided to take a camera and some GoPros and

639
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: I'd go do it on my own. For a number

640
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: of reasons, I felt I was safe enough to do it.

641
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: I had. I have a location producer there who I've

642
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: worked with before in India. I spoke to him a

643
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: lot about this person and he's an amazing judge of character.

644
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: He's worked in war zones before, and between us we

645
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: felt safe. And then the next morning, one of my

646
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: camera guys was like, hey, I've thought it through. I

647
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: want to come with you. And another caraman I knew

648
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: was on the fence, so I told him we needed

649
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: some more be roll footage somewhere else, and he was

650
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: super excited to go get that and not come with us,

651
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: And so yeah, we went up, and you know, I'm

652
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm still here to talk about it.

653
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: So well, at that point and the journey, how much

654
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: were you starting to believe that this cursed stuff is

655
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: a little real?

656
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean this was still fair India was

657
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: still fairly early days on since I got the Curse

658
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: of New Leans. It's still weeks after, I think, so

659
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm still beginning to feel this sense of anxiety, like,

660
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, if anything bad's gonna happen, it's gonna happen now.

661
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: Like if meet the evil versions of the Jungle Book

662
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: coming out to eat me tonight.

663
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have your cursed necklace on, You're going to

664
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: the tigers.

665
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, if anything bad's happening, it's coming now.

666
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: So there was always that in the back of my mind.

667
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean, you can't help for wildlife. I

668
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: can protect about other things. But so yeah, I'm a

669
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: bit worried about it, but I went for anyway, you know,

670
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: and that experience. I won't say too much of what

671
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: happens up there, but that experience is more of an

672
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: enlightening experience for me about my journey, and it opened

673
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: up some things in my mind about what I was

674
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: actually looking for. So, you know, we come back from that,

675
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: and that's definitely probably a good point to stop. But

676
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: right from the beginning of this, I'd heard about this

677
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: event that happens in Catemaco in Mexico, and it's called

678
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: the Night of the Witches, and it's when a whole

679
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: bunch of witches brewjos get together and celebrate their craft.

680
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: And it's a huge event and there's hundreds of them

681
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: down there, and I thought, this is just an amazing experience.

682
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: We've got to go see it. And so like, if

683
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm going down there, I can't just go down there

684
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: and just get b roll footage, Like I gotta go

685
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: look for another curl.

686
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: I get another one?

687
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Why not?

688
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: Right?

689
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I go down there, I go looking for

690
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: another curse and I find a brujo who practices his

691
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: spiritual practice with a chap called Satan. I heard of

692
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: that one, yeah, we may have heard of him. And

693
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: he sees Satan as a fallen angel, but an angel nonetheless,

694
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: and an angel that can help humans with their day

695
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: to day lives, trivialities and whatnot. And and I'm like, cool, cool,

696
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: So could he put a curse on me? And he

697
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: laughed the first time. He said, never in my experience

698
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: of anyone ever asked me this question, can you put

699
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: a curse on me? And so I was like, yeah,

700
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: I kind of get that a lot. And yeah, he said, okay,

701
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: we can do it. But how this is going to

702
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: work is I will take you to my place where

703
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: we worship and we work with Satan in a cave

704
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: again deep in the jungle. And you've got to go

705
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: to this place, and now it feels like an Indiana

706
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: Jones story of getting there. We have to cross a

707
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: lake in probably the smallest boat in all of Mexico,

708
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: and then we climb up into the jungle again at night.

709
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: We arrive at the cave and it's just erupting with bats.

710
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: Thousands and thousands of bats streaming out of this cave there,

711
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: and again one of my Carra guys was like, I'm

712
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: not going in. It's like it's the bats flying everywhere,

713
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I'm I'm we came all this way,

714
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: I got to go look for this. So we do

715
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: go into the cave, and I do enter into what

716
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: turned out to be a blood packed with Satan in

717
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: order to seek my demise, as it were. And I

718
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: think what was in a way more scary about this

719
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: one was the fact that I had to petition, had

720
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: to write what I wanted to happen, and I had

721
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: to petition that to Satan and then bring it upon myself.

722
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: So at this point, I'm now really really cursing myself.

723
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: The previous this one was a charm given to me

724
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: by someone else, right, But this one was me really

725
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: asking for it. And that's where we get into that

726
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: psychology again. Now I've really brought this onto myself. So

727
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: whether it is Satan doing what Satan likes to do,

728
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: or whether or not it's me doing it to myself,

729
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm deep in this now, and yeah, definitely life began

730
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: to get a lot harder.

731
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, because that's the thing, like you know, manifesting and

732
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: all of that sort of idea, which I believe, like

733
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: if you're putting out negativity or you're asking for trouble,

734
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you certainly have a better chance of finding

735
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: it than that I would think.

736
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you go looking for this stuff.

737
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: And I do speak to a psychologist about this in

738
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: the process, and she's like saying, look, you're doing this

739
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: to your subconscious and we're not in control of our subconscious,

740
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: Like this is going to start whether or not you

741
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: believe or not, this is going to start affecting you. Now,

742
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: of course, all the people who come from a spiritual

743
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: background saying, yes, this is going to start affecting you.

744
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: You've just engaged with some of the worst spirits possible,

745
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Like you're in trouble, buddy. And so I really did

746
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: begin to like I started getting terrible headaches, really awful headaches.

747
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: I started having terrible, terrible nightmares. I you know, the

748
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: anxiety was through the roof. I really was beginning to

749
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: live this and I'm thinking, what have I done to myself?

750
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: And I will say one of the dreams, I think

751
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: one of the moments when the dreams got really bad.

752
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: Was I actually had a sleep paralysis experience, and it's happened,

753
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: and it happened to me twice in my life, once

754
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: when I was very very young, and I felt there

755
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: was a spirit in the room with me when I

756
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: was very very young, and it terrified me and I

757
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, if for anyone's ever experienced it, it's horrible.

758
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: You wake up, I'm throzen to the bed. I couldn't move.

759
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: I felt like there was this spirit in my room.

760
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: That happened when I was young after an awful, awful dream,

761
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: and then happened to me again. And so I'm in

762
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: my bedroom at home, I'm with my wife. I wake up,

763
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: I cannot move, and I swear I can see a

764
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: shape in my doorway watching me. I was genuinely like,

765
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: this is messing now. Either there's now there's a demon

766
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: in my house or I have messed up my psychology

767
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: and my subconscious that could be with me for the

768
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: rest of my life. Yeah, and well you asked for this, right,

769
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: That's what people would say. And so at that point,

770
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: I thought, I need to find my way out of this.

771
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: I need I need to undo this, because regardless of

772
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: what's happening to me. Something is happening to me.

773
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a really interesting thing to think about

774
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: the subconscious aspect of it, because, I mean, we talk

775
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: about this stuff all the time on this podcast, and well,

776
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: what I'm realizing they're talking to you is that I'm

777
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: not I'm not as skeptical as I like to think

778
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I am, because I'm like, Okay, that's a demon. I

779
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: got a demon on me and that's that. So yeah,

780
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: it is interesting to think, Yeah, you're kind of planting

781
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: these seeds in your brain all the time, so it

782
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: makes sense that that can manifest in different ways. But wow, Okay,

783
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: so now that this project is over, how's it changed

784
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: your beliefs?

785
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's really interesting. I mean I would like

786
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: to say, having come through it, I have found the

787
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: evidence I was seeking for for the supernatural. Like a

788
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: million people have done that before me. I mean people

789
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: like Houdini himself was a complete like hooked on this

790
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: trying to prove find the proof. He didn't as much

791
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: as I haven't either. I have found that it did

792
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: affect me for sure. So I've learned for sure the

793
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: words we tell ourselves the very least I've found I

794
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: would say is the words we tell ourselves and the

795
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: things we choose to believe and the things we choose

796
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: to be around can have a really deep effect on

797
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: us on a subconscious level that really gets into the

798
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: makeup of who we are, and that will then change

799
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: the choices we make in our life, the places we

800
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: take our lives, the people we want to be around,

801
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: the people we want to be Everything changes once you

802
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: start to believe something, and so it's super powerful that

803
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: you question your own beliefs. It's super powerful that you

804
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: be careful what you tell yourself. You know you're in

805
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: a narrative is hugely powerful. And so at the very

806
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: least I found that that has all the more. I mean,

807
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: I felt physical reaction to what was happening to me.

808
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: So if my brain was doing that to me, I

809
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: was having a physical response to what I was My

810
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: subconscious at least was beginning to breathe. So that's the

811
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: least I found. The most I found. Do I feel

812
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: like I changed and my sort of spiritual belief Like

813
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 2: I don't have the proof for it, but I kind

814
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: of feel like I feel like I'm my toes a

815
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: little bit more in the water. I feel like I'm

816
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: just a little bit closer to like the psychology explanation

817
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: might not be one hundred percent hmmm, I feel like

818
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: there's a little bit more and I'm just like a

819
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: tiny bit further over the line, you know.

820
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: So, yeah, is there gonna be a sequel?

821
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for a curse again.

822
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

823
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: The way people keep asking me that would you do

824
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: this again? Is there a sequel? You know, what other

825
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: countries can you go to? I'm still fascinated by the subject,

826
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: but i don't want to get cursed again, so I'm

827
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: not sure how I'll do it as a sequel. I

828
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: would love to make a show based around people's belief

829
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: in dark and negative magic around the world. There's so

830
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: many other practices and countries and spiritualities. I'd love to

831
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: explore and maybe hear about other people's experiences and not

832
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: necessarily have one for myself.

833
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm always wondering with that kind of stuck.

834
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so fascinated by all our religions, but

835
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about your findings with the psychological side

836
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: of things. The typical intended practice is that they put

837
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: a curse and someone else, like probably them not knowing.

838
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: So if they don't know that they're being cursed, what

839
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: do we think there?

840
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, can it work if they don't know about it?

841
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: My gout is it doesn't work that way. I mean

842
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I haven't seen proof of it working. I mean that

843
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: comes into like, you know, I'm going to curse someone

844
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: that they don't know about it, and you know, my

845
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: experience is that that doesn't necessarily work. There's an example

846
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: in the film where Prince Tayamaka of New Orleans. He

847
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: explains if someone broke into his house and messed up

848
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: his altar, and then bad things happened to that guy.

849
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: So and I don't know if that guy believes or not,

850
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: but he wasn't aware of what was potentially happening or

851
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: around him, and yet bad things happen. So certainly some

852
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 2: people believe that they can do that and they that's

853
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: a thing. My take on it is, I think you

854
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: need to be a bit more aware of what's happening,

855
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: but that's potentially easy to do as well. And also

856
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: to sort of speak about why in traditionally, in like

857
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: Whodoo and voodoo, why they have this practice of cursing,

858
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Speaker 2: And they explained it to me for really solid reasons,

859
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Speaker 2: Like when you are a marginalized community, marginalized people that are,

860
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Speaker 2: you know, being oppressed, sometimes all we have is this

861
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Speaker 2: ability to defend ourselves through our magic. So yeah, more

862
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: power to them, and that's why they have this ability.

863
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Speaker 2: They're not doing it because they want to do negative things.

864
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Speaker 2: They're like, no, we got some self defense chops and

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Speaker 2: we'll use it exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's self defense. What do you think about like

867
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Speaker 1: the famous curses, Like I'm obsessed with James Dene's car.

868
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Do you know about that curse? Yeah, that's a spooky one, right,

869
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy stuff with that. But with

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Speaker 1: that one, there's that one I'm obsessed with. And then

871
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Speaker 1: the other one I'm obsessed with is the Cursed movie script?

872
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: Do you know that one?

873
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: Atok I'm not sure if I did too much about

874
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: that one though.

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Speaker 1: Basically it's this movie script where every leading male actor

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00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: that's that got offered it died young.

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Speaker 2: Right.

878
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: But it's like so much any of these you can

879
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Speaker 1: explain away.

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00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's meant to be curses connected to

881
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: the omen film people around the world. Oh film.

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00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: Then there's that show Cursed Films did you see that

883
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: and shudder. The Omen what is scary? He was in

884
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: a plane and guy hit by lightning.

885
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, there was a bunch of things that happened

886
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: on the Omen Curse that yeah, scarier than the film potentially.

887
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Speaker 2: I mean films like that. I mean, I'm a huge

888
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: horror movie fan to like The Omen and The Exorcist.

889
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: There are huge films for me. But yeah, are their

890
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: curses connected to them? I mean, bad stuff happens in life,

891
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: and there's something that you know. My wife and I

892
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: said before I went on there, she said, look, bad

893
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: things are going to happen to you after making this film, sure,

894
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: and so you need to be comfortable and be able

895
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: to know the difference of like, Okay, this is just

896
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: things are going to happen. You can't live a life

897
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: without bad things happening and be able to separate this

898
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: two or else you might be blaming yourself for everything

899
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: that happens bad for the rest of your.

900
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Life, of course. And I think that is something that

901
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: happens is that people go, well, I'm cursed, so that's

902
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: why this happened. Or I'm sure there's people that it

903
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: keeps them from living life because they're like, you know,

904
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: my family's cursed or whatever, so I'm not going to

905
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: do this or that or I don't know.

906
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: I think if people live like that, do something about it.

907
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: Like this is my point. I don't think you even

908
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: need to believe that it would work or not work.

909
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: I think it can work on your subconscious level. And

910
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I think that happened to me. I think my subconscious

911
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: was definitely beginning to make it work. So if you

912
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: believe you're cursed, go do Even if you're I'm cursed,

913
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: but you don't believe someone could help you or whatever,

914
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: go do something about it. Find someone who could help you.

915
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: Because even on a subconscious level, that subconscious like, yeah,

916
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: but we got that clans, we got that shit out

917
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: of us. We're all good now. That might actually help you. Yeah,

918
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: so dude, try it. Why not?

919
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: That's what I'm all about, Like the placebo, I don't

920
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: need to Like if I'm going ghost hunting or someplace spooky,

921
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: I bring it all with me. Everything, evil eye, crystals, Jesus,

922
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: all of it.

923
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely come told up.

924
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Why not? You know?

925
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

926
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I think that that's about it. But this

927
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: is so cool. I'm so happy that you did this.

928
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

929
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: I hope you do more paranormal stuff because especially having

930
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: someone that's like clearly quite fearless and you know, again

931
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: way more skeptical than even me, I think that you

932
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: should be out there looking for this stuff. And I

933
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: want to watch from the comfort of my own home

934
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: with my holy water.

935
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: I've been described as brave or stupid, and so we'll

936
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: figure out what.

937
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: That's a great place to be, right, So tell people

938
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: all the things you want them to know.

939
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, please check out the film. A

940
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: Curse Man is available to rental buy on all the

941
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: good places like Amazon and Apple and and yeah, check

942
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: it out. And we can find us on social media.

943
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: Look up A Cursed Man. We're all tiktoks and Instagram

944
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, find us join in. I'm actually on that

945
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: posting and replying. So yeah, if you got questions, you

946
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: can find me on that. And uh yeah, I'd love

947
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: to know what people think.

948
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Speaker 1: Great, Thank you, don't curse me.

949
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: I'll keep it to myself. Don't worry, You're safe.

950
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Liam. You gotta check out this film. I

951
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: mean I'm obsessed with this. First of all, the British,

952
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: they've got great investigative documentarians over there, and I'm a

953
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: big documentary fan. Honestly, I'm gonna say, one of these days,

954
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set out on a journey like this. I

955
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make documentaries at some point because I

956
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: am so curious about, like exactly what he was doing

957
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: in this documentary, going around trying to find answers and

958
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: meeting different cultures along the way. I mean, I just

959
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: love it. So yeah, one of these days I'll make

960
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I'll make one for you anyway. He's so cool. Thanks Liam.

961
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's Halloween time. Get out there, do something spooky,

962
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: take a break from the news today, put on a

963
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: scary movie, put on a costume just for fun, eat

964
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: too much candy, and enjoy the season. I love you all,

965
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

966
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Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me came back. This has

967
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Speaker 1: been an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal

968
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Speaker 1: experience on the podcast. I read stories out loud and

969
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted

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975
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Speaker 1: Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by the spine chilling

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