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Speaker 1: It's every dance montage rolled into one. It's Fossy Verdin,

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Speaker 1: when Right, at the ripe old age of ninety one, died.

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Speaker 1: speed Lana arrived at tally Esen West, So Glodry, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe your song is the throne suddenly belonged to Olgavana,

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Speaker 1: and Olgavana alone. No more dissenting opinions and power struggles.

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Speaker 1: The fellowship was hers, and she could tune it to

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Speaker 1: her will without objection, did I ever have an idea

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Speaker 1: of a school? Of course I did, As you will know,

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Speaker 1: I was strained in philosophy and psychology in Guji of school,

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Speaker 1: which I believe was the greatest contribution to me. This

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Speaker 1: into a mishmash of architecture and mysticism. A royal court

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Speaker 1: that reminded Svetlana in some ways of the life she'd

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Speaker 1: left behind in Russia. An insular universe led by Olgavana

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Speaker 1: with a velvet glove and an iron fist who'd always

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Speaker 1: yearned for her throne. A daughterless mother and a motherless daughter,

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Speaker 1: both in perpetual mourning. Two women trying to survive relationships

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Speaker 1: with complicated and violent men and come into their own power. Yet,

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Speaker 1: whether they realize it or not, these two women are

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Speaker 1: now diametrically opposed to one another. To sustain the taliesin

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Speaker 1: world order, Olgavana needs Fetlana to fall in line, but

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Speaker 1: will Svetlana after everything she's been through. Ben the Knee

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Speaker 1: will find out on the next episode of Svetlana. Svetlana.

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Speaker 1: Svetlana stet Lana is a production of iHeart Podcasts and

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Speaker 1: the documentary group I'm Your Host Dan Katrosser. The show

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Speaker 1: was written and produced by me Adam Webber, Alison Joy,

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Speaker 1: and Katherine Isaac. We also serve as executive producers at

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Speaker 1: the documentary group. Our executive producer is Joe Batzilouitz, with

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Speaker 1: production oversight by Stacy Kleiger an additional support from Tom

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Speaker 1: Yellen and Gabrielle Tennenbau. Our iHeart team is supervising producer

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Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and executive producer Maya Howard. Editing assistants from

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Speaker 1: producers Christina Lorenger and Joey pat Original music by Elan Iszakov.

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Speaker 1: Production counsel by Slas ekhous Dasky Haynes Lockoe, clearance counsel

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Speaker 1: by Ballard Sparr, Fact checking assistance by Megan Trout, Research

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Speaker 1: assistance by Caleb Martin Rosenthal, Emily Angg and Sophia Derso.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to my husband Jordan Siegel, and Roger Friedland

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Speaker 1: and Harold Zelman, authors of the book The Fellowship, who

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Speaker 1: kindly granted permission to include excerpts from their taped interview

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Speaker 1: with Spetlana