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Speaker 1: Solved touchdown Tyler Murray, That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty. Writer writes the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the insiders who cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is balling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. Think scart and nobody. Here's

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc Here's the way I'm thinking about this. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The processes as such are that if Jeff's Saturday can

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Speaker 1: become head coachman, and if all team from an ESPN studio,

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Speaker 1: if someone can win two billion dollars or so via

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Speaker 1: a two dollars powerball ticket, and if the Cardinals can't

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Speaker 1: score a touchdown in the first quarter, then pull them

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Speaker 1: you're darn too, and we can go ahead and podcast here,

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Speaker 1: aren't Cardinals Underground Presented by Pacific Office Automation, Paul KELBC,

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, Darren Urban. Darren, how are you considering you're

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Speaker 1: coming fresh off the mailbag? Are you good? Good? My

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Speaker 1: first thought was you mentioned the powerball. I saw something

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Speaker 1: that said if they take the cash, then after taxes

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Speaker 1: and it was close to two billion. Correct, the guy

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Speaker 1: they're only collecting like six thirty eight? Well, just my luck.

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Speaker 1: I was planning on getting a ticket today after work,

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Speaker 1: so jokes on me. Yeah. So I saw not that

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Speaker 1: sixty million isn't bad, but that's to the quick math.

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Speaker 1: If you take the cash payout, it was just under

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Speaker 1: a billion. So then if you account for taxes, is

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Speaker 1: that how they come up with the actual? Like the

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Speaker 1: would be six pos six hundred thirty eight million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Would you guys still be here if you want that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I believe that. Unfortunately, Darren, I've had this conversation many

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Speaker 1: times with many different co workers over the years. Would

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Speaker 1: I be here like for another five years? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but would I be here tomorrow. Yeah, for the season.

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Speaker 1: I would oh yeah, I wouldn't leave you guys high

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Speaker 1: and dry, but no promises about next year you would have.

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Speaker 1: Your life would be such a living mess. Now ultimately

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Speaker 1: in a good way, but initially it would be such

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Speaker 1: a mess on so many different fronts you can't anticipate.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't have time for work. It would be a

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Speaker 1: full time job trying to deal and handle and orchestrate

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Speaker 1: your new status as a billionaire. Why because everything that

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Speaker 1: goes with it. Can you imagine, See that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that hit him every angle? Okay, you would be hit

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Speaker 1: from every angle and I might have to change a

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Speaker 1: phone number, but I mean, ultimately you don't. It only

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Speaker 1: means you gotta do what you I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to change your life. You don't have to go

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Speaker 1: quit your job, you don't have to get some giant made.

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Speaker 1: You guys would not be able to reach me. I'd

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Speaker 1: be in Europe for at least a year. We can

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Speaker 1: barely reach you as it is. So there was a

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Speaker 1: tweet from some guy. I don't know who. It was,

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Speaker 1: just some guy and it was on the human psyche right.

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Speaker 1: So in fact, there's a one in five chance of

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Speaker 1: never happen to me. There's a one in three hundred

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Speaker 1: People choose and select how they want to think and

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Speaker 1: and the skepticism. And that is a great example thereof

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Speaker 1: So here we go, Cardinals underground talking about week ten.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the mathematics of it all, we'll entertain it

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Speaker 1: for a moment. Where are the Cardinals in your minds?

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we talking a powerball long shot to

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Speaker 1: Because look the wild card. I don't care how down

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Speaker 1: the NFC is. And by the way, only two of

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Speaker 1: this week, because Seattle swept you. You lost your first

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Speaker 1: that point. You're just playing to basically for pride at

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Speaker 1: that point, keep your job moving forward. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: And as I'm sure we're going to get into, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are not necessarily going to be full strength going

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Speaker 1: got offensive line problems themselves, but you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a it's not a great place to be in right now,

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Speaker 1: Based on this last game, the Cardinals defense minus Buddha

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Speaker 1: And you're a human eracer in so many ways is

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals need to do collectively is basically what

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith did in this last game. He threw a

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Speaker 1: That's what the Cardinals need to do if they're looking

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Speaker 1: guess what Gino Smith just modeled it for him there

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Speaker 1: So not only do you have a fact that you've

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Speaker 1: zone and then takeaways and all three areas Cardinals were

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Speaker 1: to be ready right away, so you don't get to

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Speaker 1: say I'm rusty or whatever. And then with this part

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Speaker 1: of it and the practice part, I mean it's almost

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Speaker 1: it's the opposite thing, which is they're they're not actually

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Speaker 1: blaming practice. They're just saying they don't understand why everything

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Speaker 1: they do right and practice isn't translating. Now, you can

433
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Speaker 1: argue as you have because the practice is not a game.

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Speaker 1: It's apples to rainbows. It's not even close. That's my point.

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Speaker 1: And I just but when you say that it's not

436
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what they're doing during the week, Oh sure

437
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Speaker 1: yes it would, um, But when you're saying that practice

438
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Speaker 1: doesn't translate to the game, you know it's too much

439
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: of a leap to make. These days, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can draw any serious concrete conclusions. I would agree that.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say I've always agreed with that though,

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Speaker 1: well book, and that goes before Cliff Kingsbury showed up.

443
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Speaker 1: I've been doing this for twenty plus years. I've thought

444
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Speaker 1: that the whole time. Now, Drew Stanton was pretty forthright

445
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: on this week's read C Report, and I guess the

446
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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks cameras were in here recording all that with

447
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Speaker 1: Craig Grilew and Kyle Van and Bosch, And he was

448
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Speaker 1: just talking about how they don't want us, Paul, the

449
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: situational football. Who did your cheese off ed hard Knocks

450
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Speaker 1: and NFL films over there? You know, Darren, my goodness,

451
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: why why does it well, how do you know it's

452
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Speaker 1: not staying away from Danny? Yeah, come on, be a

453
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Speaker 1: little more believable than that. Maybe the situational the situational

454
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Speaker 1: football Drew was talking about has been lacking obviously, and

455
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Speaker 1: and how the Cardinals should not be okay with the

456
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: same players making the same mistakes. That if they can't

457
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Speaker 1: trust you to not repeat the same mistakes, then someone

458
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Speaker 1: new needs to be in there, Paul, because isn't that

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Speaker 1: what they have done with bringing him Robbie Anderson and

460
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Speaker 1: aj Green? And I'm not saying it's worked. We're in

461
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Speaker 1: talking about to keep the same mistakes continuing to happen

462
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Speaker 1: week after week. And maybe I'm not having a lot

463
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Speaker 1: of trust after the Hollywood Brown injury was right, but

464
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Speaker 1: I think that happened so fast. I wouldn't be surprised

465
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Speaker 1: if had Holly Brown knock one hurt, that would have

466
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Speaker 1: still been something they would look would have looked into

467
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Speaker 1: because it was quite clear that Anderson wanted out of Carolina.

468
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Speaker 1: You weren't going to have to give up a lot

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Speaker 1: for him. Aj Green he did not play in what

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Speaker 1: was at the Thursday night game against the Saints. He

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Speaker 1: had I believe one snap this past Sunday against the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not disagreeing with that philosophy at all, Paul.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals did that, I think by if you're going

474
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Speaker 1: to keep making the mistakes, they asked me a change.

475
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Speaker 1: They made that change for Robbie Anderson. It's just unfortunate

476
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Speaker 1: that in three games he has one reception for minus

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Speaker 1: four yards. Well, and the other thing too is again,

478
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Speaker 1: who are we talking about who's sitting on the bench

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Speaker 1: that needs to be in there to replace whoever we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. I'm just you know, I'm just passing was

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Speaker 1: set by a former Cardinals quarterback shot. I'm not saying

482
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Speaker 1: there's a ton of depth and the other guys just

483
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Speaker 1: going to replace others. I'm also going to say this,

484
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Speaker 1: like if and during practice during the week, everybody's doing

485
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Speaker 1: what they're supposed to be doing, that's fair. But but

486
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Speaker 1: you know, for example of Bruce arians and he's far

487
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Speaker 1: from the only coach to do this had the accountability

488
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Speaker 1: board and included it included both practice and the games.

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Speaker 1: And so you know how many of these mental mistakes

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Speaker 1: in the games. I'll give you an example. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. We're now into November, and even

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Speaker 1: the most steadfast and ardent of head coaches when it

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Speaker 1: came to rookies, like a Ken Wizzenu. When you start

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Speaker 1: getting around Thanksgiving, you start seeing more and more of

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Speaker 1: the rookies in that draft class. And we have my

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Speaker 1: j Sanders, cam Thomas, and I thought cam Thomas had

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Speaker 1: had some good pass rushes, grated very high. He did.

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Speaker 1: I just kept noticing him from the sideline is just

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Speaker 1: driving his man straight back into the pocket and collapsing

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Speaker 1: pocket with regularity. He didn't get home, but I know

501
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Speaker 1: he was a problem. Trey McBride, At what point is

502
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Speaker 1: it realistic to think that you're round two rookie needs

503
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Speaker 1: to be productive? Because how can you not watch Monday

504
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Night football and you see Isaiah Likely with another touchdown catch.

505
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Speaker 1: The round four tight end out of Coastal Carolina. Isaiah

506
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Speaker 1: Likely had a really nice preseason game. When Baltimore came

507
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Speaker 1: into town in mid August, Isaiah Likely, who the week

508
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Speaker 1: before had six grabs for seventy seven yards. I looked

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Speaker 1: it up and a touchdown. He's been a real effective

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Speaker 1: weapon along with Mark Andrews for Lamar Jackson. It's certainly

511
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Speaker 1: be nice to see Tray McBride. Well, but I'm gonna

512
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Speaker 1: because I'll be honest, I don't know the answer to

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Speaker 1: this is the reason Tray McBride isn't productive right now.

514
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Speaker 1: Just Tray McBride. Are they even looking to throw to him?

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Speaker 1: Are they even putting him in those positions? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tray McBride's playing, he's playing, he's playing, he's playing the

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Speaker 1: Max Williams snaps. So is that not a spot where

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Speaker 1: you're letting him go out for passes? Is he mainly

519
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Speaker 1: blocking those? That would be what I would need to

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Speaker 1: know before I went overboard and saying, Okay, what why

521
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Speaker 1: is Trey McBride not If you have a working list

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Speaker 1: of questions, Darren, why don't you add that to the

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Speaker 1: Wednesday for the head coach Because anytimes I have a

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Speaker 1: question I'm afraid to ask. I just foisted on you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you and gree Lou not me. All right, Danny, I'll

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Speaker 1: go I'm gonna start sending you. I'm gonna start texting

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Speaker 1: you some of the questions over Yeah, because conveniently, see,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the locker room doing interviews. I'm not actually

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Speaker 1: in the pres comments. Yeah, that's the ticket, that's the answer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually there in attendance. So that's my plausible excuse,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sticking with it. What about as long as

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Speaker 1: we're talking about targets in the passing game d Hop,

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Speaker 1: what do we make of the fact that d Hop

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Speaker 1: had only three targets after the opening drive, although we

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Speaker 1: did have a touchdown catch wiped out by Robbie Anderson

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Speaker 1: with a false start before the Zach er It's touchdown

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Speaker 1: catch late fourth course, only one in the second half. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. Why? Why? Why? When? When he

539
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: has been all reliable for you, How is the ball

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00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: not finding him? I mean, and it's not even he

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Speaker 1: wasn't making catches, he wasn't being targeted. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: part of it was that they didn't have the ball

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Speaker 1: for a lot of plays, unfortunately for a chunk of that.

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Speaker 1: But I agree, I'm not really sure exactly what happened

545
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: there or why he wasn't he wasn't targeted. He just wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the plot chart of where he lined up.

547
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how many different positions and left versus right.

548
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: I will say this, every time he went to the

549
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: left side of the Cardinals offense, there was Tarik Woolens.

550
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Gonna be my question where they matched up the whole

551
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Speaker 1: game the rookie when he went to the left side,

552
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: because Tarike Woolen is restricted to the right side of

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Speaker 1: the Seattle defense, and we knew that coming in. That's

554
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: where he's played all year, and so sure enough, every

555
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: time d hop would go to the left side, there

556
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: was the six four rookie corner who runs the four

557
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Speaker 1: two six over d hop Man. He was effective, There's

558
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Speaker 1: no question about it now. The touchdown catch and run

559
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: twenty two yards was a drag across the middle and

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00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: Kyler did a really nice job of extending the play.

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Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of that Baltimore game, because I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but I like watching Lamar Jackson,

563
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Speaker 1: and although they're not identical players, I like seeing what

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman in Baltimore does with Lamar Jackson because I

565
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: know Cliff Kingsbury has stolen just ripped off some plays

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Speaker 1: out of the Lamar Jackson playbook and use them for

567
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Speaker 1: Kyler at times. And Tyron Matthews quote after the game

568
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: the former Cardinal was and this was props to Lamar.

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00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Tyron said, what makes it so difficult playing Lamar is

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Speaker 1: traditionally you cover for three to four seconds and the

571
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: play is over. But a guy like that is a

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Speaker 1: seven eight nine second cover. See the Cardinals at their

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Speaker 1: best on offense. They turned Kyler into that guy, the

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Speaker 1: seven eight nine second cover. They somehow get him out

575
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: on the move or he's escaping the rush and still

576
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: keeping his eyes downfield. Too often Kyler's on the move

577
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: for wrong reasons for self preservation. But then is he

578
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: truly still able to keep his eyes down the field

579
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Speaker 1: like a Lamar Jackson has been able to do this

580
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Speaker 1: year and be so effective that way. And so to me,

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Speaker 1: that's when the Cardinals offense is at its best. And

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Speaker 1: when you talk about the regression of the offense this year,

583
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Speaker 1: and by the way, we're still selling the Moga hats

584
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: here on election Day, make offense great again. We're a

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Speaker 1: bust of those out from the end of last year.

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00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: The Moga hats make offense great again in this election year,

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Speaker 1: Guess what I would vote for? More Kyler outside the

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Speaker 1: pocket and let him extend these plays and make it

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Speaker 1: a seven eight or nine second cover. You know what

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Speaker 1: I think about though, when I see Lamar Jackson or

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes have those seven eight nine second plays as

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Speaker 1: if they're extending the play a getting outside the pocket,

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Speaker 1: even if they're only running three or four yards. They

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Speaker 1: have a receiver who is there for a shovel pass

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00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: or something quick, some quick outlet of hey, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to get as far as I thought with my

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00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: legs here you go. The Cardinals don't have that. They

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00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: haven't had somebody who has just kind of constantly been there,

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00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: been open, or been reliable for Kyler Murray. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's obvious, and watching who he's throwing to and

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00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: what throws he's making is just that trust. And it

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00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily feel like there is a lot of confidence

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: between Kyler Murray and a lot of those receivers. Because

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00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: there has been so much miscommunication, we will never know

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00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: who's end that's on from the plays being called on,

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00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: some of the interceptions or near interceptions that have been thrown,

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: or what have you. But that's what I think of

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Speaker 1: when I see players like Jackson or Mahomes when they're

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Speaker 1: doing those long plays and they're running, is they have

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Speaker 1: a Travis Kelsey or they have these players that are

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Speaker 1: there and can create space and have that chemistry with

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Speaker 1: their quarterback to get open on the field as that

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Speaker 1: if needed. I mean, I think I think Hop's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be that guy. And by the way, I called

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Speaker 1: up the chart, Unfortunately the only chart the targets, so

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Speaker 1: we don't know all the non targets. But he was

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Speaker 1: only on the right side on one of the five targets.

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Speaker 1: The touchdown came on the past to the right side,

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Speaker 1: but he came from the left slot. I'd also say

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Speaker 1: that again to Paul's point about getting Kyler. I mean,

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the plays, maybe ninety of Lamar

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Speaker 1: or Patrick Mahomes making a seven to nine second cover.

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Speaker 1: That's because the play broke down and they're just running

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Speaker 1: around back there until they find a guy to do it.

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00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: It's not like it's set up to be a seven

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Speaker 1: second cover. It's they've turned it into that because of

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Speaker 1: their ability. And Kyler does that too. The problem is

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Speaker 1: is you don't have enough. In my opinion, you don't

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Speaker 1: have enough of the other stuff with Kyler in regular time.

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Speaker 1: That's at least right now. I mean, I think you've

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Speaker 1: seen it in the past, but like right now, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a killer that this team can't get the ball

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Speaker 1: down the field. I mean, they can't get a twenty

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: yard twenty twenty yards in the air passed down the field.

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00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's basically disappeared. The intermediate passing game

636
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: almost non existent, The chunk play passing game is not hunexistent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're the only team in the NFL without

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00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: a forty plus yard pass play all season long. And

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Speaker 1: here's another problem for the Arizona Cardinals offense. If you

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Speaker 1: ask me, it's a symptom of what's gone wrong Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray as you're leading rusher yet another game. That's when

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Speaker 1: he's been the leading rusher this year. It's been four

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Speaker 1: times and the Cardinals are owing four. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a direct correlation between when Kyler's the leading rusher and

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Speaker 1: how productive the Cardinals are on offense, which is to say,

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Speaker 1: not very because they're not very balanced. That's hilarious though,

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Speaker 1: because remember coming into this season, if you looked at

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Speaker 1: the stats, it was always if Kyler has x amount

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00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: of rushes or rushes from number of yards, they're always success.

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Speaker 1: Would have been off the top of my head. Both

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Speaker 1: Seattle games the Eagles, he actually or no. Was Seattle

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Speaker 1: Week six, he ran ten times for a hundred yard

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Speaker 1: because you ripped off a really long run and they

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Speaker 1: obviously lost that game, now you know so. But the

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Speaker 1: other games he hasn't been anywhere close to one hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: so it's been more really a failing at their traditional ground. Gad,

657
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: that's true, and that again, where were they productive last year?

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Speaker 1: Where were they most productive last year was the early

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Speaker 1: part of the year when Chase Edmonds and James Connor

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Speaker 1: were really effective as a tandem running the ball and

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Speaker 1: complimenting the pass game. And you know, we're going to

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles this weekend, and that game, that regular season

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00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: game in Los Angeles, it was so obvious that the

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Speaker 1: running game was just dominant. That's why Aaron Donald couldn't

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Speaker 1: do a lot and it's why they had control of

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Speaker 1: that game is because James Connor and Chase Edmonds are awesome.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I looked it up for a close Stev

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Speaker 1: shows forty rushes for two hundred sixteen yards in that

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Speaker 1: Week four win at the Rams a year ago. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: came in and they lined it up and they just

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Speaker 1: played straight ahead, just smash mouth, run game football, and

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Speaker 1: it was very effective. Because teams that have had success

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Speaker 1: against Aaron Donald usually it's going right at them. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that this is because they don't have Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmunds this year. I don't. I don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: right evaluation. I think I think they could get the

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00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: same thing with James Connor, Anyo Benjamin. This team just

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00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: can't find a way to one really get the lead

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Speaker 1: into when they have the lead, hold on to it,

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00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: so they can't be balanced. They're not running the ball

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Speaker 1: as much as I'm sure they would like, and that

682
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: obviously affects everything when you're constantly playing from behind. Now,

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00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: the way the offensive line has played the last couple

684
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Speaker 1: of weeks, there really hasn't been much space for those

685
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Speaker 1: runners to go to begin with. But I think you

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Speaker 1: have the pieces with James Conner and Eno Benjamin to

687
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: have that same success. They just there. The opportunity is

688
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: not there to use the run game the same way

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Speaker 1: you did last year. So I mean, especially with this

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00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, compromised interior offensive line, what's realistic? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. If you're still looking

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Speaker 1: at Cody Ford, Billy Price and Lasita Smith and or

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Speaker 1: Max Garcia, can you really line it up and try

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Speaker 1: and run between the tackles. I mean, James Connor did

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Speaker 1: a heck of a job trying to extend, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep plays alive. But you know, unless you're Barry Sanders

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Speaker 1: and you're able to make eight guys missing a single play,

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Speaker 1: good luck. So I'm not sure, And that sort of

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Speaker 1: brings that sort of leads into a bigger question. You know,

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Speaker 1: how much change is necessary right now? And are you

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Speaker 1: capable of that sort of significant change. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: take a guess the mail bag this week. I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: there was a theme and it's probably okay, what's going

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Speaker 1: to change? You're three and six. There needs to be changed,

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Speaker 1: but can they're realistically plausibly be changed? Hey, you're right,

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Speaker 1: that was the main theme, and be very very disappointing

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Speaker 1: you haven't read it yet. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the hell I'm sharing off to him. He's very busy.

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Speaker 1: You didn't read it either, did you. I'm very busy, Darren. Usually, honestly,

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Speaker 1: usually I do read it before the podcast. No, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously that's look and I get it. Um. And by

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00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the way, the last time I did read it, I

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Speaker 1: noticed that I was called short in the call by me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was it was a response to

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Speaker 1: someone and Darren's response was yes, indeed, Paul is short

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Speaker 1: and dot dot dot. And then you went on to

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Speaker 1: make another point like, really, okay, I'm not reading the

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Speaker 1: mail I mean, I will say anyway, go ahead. You know, look,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of angry people and some of them

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Speaker 1: like to reach out through the mail bag. One of

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Speaker 1: them is Paul. Right, how do you know you don't

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Speaker 1: know which one of those are for me from my

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Speaker 1: burn burner accounts. Oh, I wish you had a Burner account, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: I look, I understand people want They are wondering about

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Speaker 1: change and trying to figure out about change and whether

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Speaker 1: there's going to be change, and I know there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about it. And Paul, you and I have

728
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: been around this team for a long time time and

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00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: we've gone through it multiple times, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: just I'm going to say the same thing here that

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Speaker 1: I said on the mail bag, which is, I think

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Speaker 1: at this point you're trying to figure out where this

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Speaker 1: is after the season and you evaluate when it's over. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously things are fluid and things can change, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that we get to December and the thought

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Speaker 1: process doesn't get impacted. But for the most part, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if there's a big upside

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Speaker 1: without without letting it play out, especially in the current circumstances.

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Speaker 1: So the presence of Hard Knocks, does that make it

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Speaker 1: any more or less likely there will be change? I

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Speaker 1: don't I mean meaning do you think now I know

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Speaker 1: what you mean. I just don't know. Are you less

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Speaker 1: likely to make some sort of organizational changes because it'll

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00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: all be documented by the cameras and broadcast a worldwide audience.

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Speaker 1: Or are you're more wrapped to be in favor of

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Speaker 1: change to try and write the ship and get a

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00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: spark this season because Hard Knocks is there? Well, I

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Speaker 1: get I get why that would be a thought. Generally,

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Speaker 1: when teams make a massive change mid season, do they

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Speaker 1: really have success? So if if your thought processes, we've

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00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: got the cameras on us. Let's let's go all in.

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00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, sure that would get you views I guess

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: as what people might think as a dumpster fire, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's not necessar. It's not like when when teams

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Speaker 1: make some sort of big move that typically it results

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Speaker 1: in a quick one eighty and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: you're fighting for a spot in the playoffs. I mean,

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00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Carolina got an instant boost, but that's usually what it is.

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00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: It's a one week boost what they call it, get

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Speaker 1: some hope, and then what they call in the stock

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00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: market the dead cat bounce. You get that right out

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Speaker 1: of the gate, and then you regress back to the mean,

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Speaker 1: and we're exactly you were, and that's exactly what Carolina

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Speaker 1: has done. Here's the thing. Historically, you're right, Danny, but

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Speaker 1: a year ago the Colts were struggling and along came

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, and they ripped off four out of five

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Speaker 1: or five out of six, and then of course they

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Speaker 1: flopped at the very end of the year. But it

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Speaker 1: was a catalyst, and it has been sighted by both

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kime as one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: they were in favor of Hard Knocks because it did

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Speaker 1: bring a little spark to that locker room for the Colts,

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Speaker 1: maybe having the cameras. But I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're looking to make some sort of organizational change,

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Speaker 1: if that would be affected or that decision, would you

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Speaker 1: be affected by having the Hard knocks cameras? Hopefully having

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Speaker 1: the cameras and accountability and whether or not the players

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Speaker 1: watch knowing they're being watched. Maybe that's I mean, first

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Speaker 1: of all, they've been around for a while, and then

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing the first episode premieres this week.

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Speaker 1: The Seattle game is the first episode, so so you

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Speaker 1: knew going into the Seattle Game it was all going

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Speaker 1: to be there, in all its glory for everyone to

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Speaker 1: consume on a Wednesday night on HBO. So yeah, it's

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00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: a valid point. In fact, the Cardinals tweeted out the

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Speaker 1: clip from the postgame locker room against Philadelphia or Buddha

787
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Baker was beyond passionate and everyone was on a knee

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00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: and then team captain was up on both feats, both

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Speaker 1: feet with both arms flailing, thank you, and there he was.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because I was curious whether that

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Speaker 1: was actually going to be released or not, because you

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Speaker 1: guys heard it in the press room at least you

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00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: could hear sort of hear the echoes of someone shouting.

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Speaker 1: I could hear it from where I was in the

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Speaker 1: postgame radio. I wasn't exactly certain who it was, but

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Speaker 1: you couldn't mistake that there was a player. I had

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Speaker 1: heard a couple of days, a day or two after

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Speaker 1: that exactly what happened. And actually on the record, not

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Speaker 1: only Cliff Kingsbury cited a speech quote unquote by Buddha Baker,

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00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: but then guys like AJ Green and some other during

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00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: interviews at their locker, had cited a passionate speech by

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Speaker 1: Buddha Bakers. So you could sort of figure out, okay,

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00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: who that person was. But now you can see it.

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00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: It is there. You go to the Cardinals Twitter and

805
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: it's pretty powerful stuff. And sure enough, the Cardinals did

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00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: end the home losing skid the very next home game

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00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: against the Saints. But now you're without Buddha once again,

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00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: and you're looking at eight games down the stretch they

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Speaker 1: come and you're gonna find out, I think right away,

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Speaker 1: especially at LA against Sean mcveagh's won twelve of his

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Speaker 1: thirteen games against three different Arizona Cardinals head coaches, including

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Speaker 1: the playoffs against a system that historically has given you problems.

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00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: Just that Sean mcvay's system has been hard for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense to fit for whatever reason, and obviously Aaron

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00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: Donald has presented problems such that. This is my opinion,

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00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it freaks out Kyler Murray if ninety

817
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: nine is busting through the A and B gaps, and

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: if that's the case early in the game, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: would freak me out. Paul. Yeah. So you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that's going to be on display here in

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Speaker 1: week ten at so far, and the cameras are going

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Speaker 1: to be there every step of the way. So here

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Speaker 1: twas the night before the debut of Hard Knocks. I'm curious, ay,

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Speaker 1: what else is going to be released and be what

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00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of light it's going to put that locker room

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Speaker 1: in and whether it could be a catalyst if guys

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Speaker 1: don't like the way they're being portrayed on camera and

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Speaker 1: the final edit Okay, I don't know. Well, guys play

829
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Speaker 1: even that much more angry on Sunday. Look, I think

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Speaker 1: at this point, bottom line is it's it's not going

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Speaker 1: to do any more harm than good. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: what I mean, they're already playing the way they're playing,

833
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: they're already feeling, however, they're feeling the locker room, and

834
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: they've had up until the last week it was more

835
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: of a skeleton crew, not as many, and then last

836
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: week ramped it up. So I don't think having them

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Speaker 1: here is going to necessarily It's not like they're doing

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Speaker 1: so well that that could be a distraction by any means.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine a lot of these players at this

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00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: point are just trying to imagine they're not there. All right,

841
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Speaker 1: So you guys, tell me, let's see here just to

842
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna name a couple of games, and then

843
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: you tell me where this is all going. Robbie Anderson,

844
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: Oh boy, where is this going? Where's this going? What

845
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: do you? What do you do right now? If you're there?

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00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I thought we were playing a game where you were

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00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: gonna like name a bunch of players and we had

848
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: to guess the common denomination. No, no no, no, I'm just

849
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: an individual names here. You tell me what's next for

850
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: this player? Oh, the rest of this season with the

851
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Aeros on the Cardinals. Robbie Anderson, I mean, he's got

852
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: to have like five catches this weekend, doesn't he you

853
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: hope Hollywood Brown comes back soon. I mean, that's harsh,

854
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, here's the thing. When Hollywood Brown

855
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: comes back, and he's got to at least miss this game.

856
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I think this is his fourth game, and then we'll

857
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: see what happens. I don't know if he's going to

858
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: be able to come back for the Mexico game, but

859
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: we'll see. You're talking about Robbie Anderson essentially being what

860
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the fifth pass catcher if you're not counting James Connor, Hop,

861
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore, Hollywood Brown, Zach Ertz are all going to

862
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: be ahead of Robbie Anderson. Yep. But once again, it's

863
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: his presence as that outside speed guy, especially minus Hollywood Brown,

864
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: that was supposedly so critical because you were going to

865
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: use De Hop in a different way, and we have

866
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: seen that, and I think that's one of the other reason.

867
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: As soon as Hollywood Brown went down at the end

868
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: of the Seattle game week six, on the verge of

869
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: De Hop coming back. See, it wasn't just De Hop's return,

870
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: it was how they were going to use him now

871
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: that they had Hollywood Brown, which was one of the

872
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: reasons They went after Hollywood Brown because they figured out

873
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: in the offseason self scouting, we got to do something

874
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: different with d Hop and if we do, we need

875
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: the outside speed guy. And then all of a sudden

876
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: d Hops coming back. They don't have the outside speed

877
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: guy and Hollowood Brown, Boom, Robbie Anderson's available, Go get him.

878
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: But if you're playing the Cardinals and you're looking at film,

879
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: are you really going to have to game plan any

880
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: differently from what you've seen with how they utilize Robbie Anderson.

881
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean that the point of bringing him in was

882
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: so you could have him create that space with that

883
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: speed and make these big plays. It's not like the

884
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals are even getting close to That's the thing is

885
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: that guy. Teams are still going to worry about hop first.

886
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: So you've got to turn that guy into a playmaker.

887
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: He's got to make plays because it's not like him

888
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: being out there means D Hop's going to have easier coverage.

889
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: It just means that, you know, hopefully he can get

890
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: some separation. So I don't I don't know what's going

891
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna go on there. I mean, obviously they've they've tried,

892
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: they tried to throw it along to him a couple

893
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: of times. There was one well over his head, not

894
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: abounds his first game. Uh there was. There was the

895
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: one where Kyler couldn't step up in the pocket through

896
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: the interception in Minnesota. Um, I mean you yeah, just stinks.

897
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: And the thing is Minnesota. I think he would have

898
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: been open, like if he would have had room to

899
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: throw that ball. I think Anderson had gotten open deep

900
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: behind the defense. Tray von Mullen, there's another name I'm

901
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: thrown out. Yeah, what do you think Mullin? Does he

902
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 1: become a more in goal part of this defense anytime soon?

903
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so, unless it's required from an injury

904
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: of some sort. I don't know why you would change

905
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: the way you're using Buyer Murphy, Antonio Hamilton, and Marco

906
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Wilson to fit Trey von Molin. At this point, I

907
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: would agree with that. It's it would have to be

908
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: injury related or with Buddha being out, do you need

909
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: an extra defensive back and you try? But yeah, at

910
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: this point I wouldn't. How about the two new guys,

911
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill the defensive tackle and then oh boy, grew

912
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: j Hill? Am I doing that correct? Well? He had

913
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: some good plays on special teams. Yeah he did well,

914
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: that's all he played with special teams. But yeah, that's

915
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: he did play twelve special team snaps. Tristan Hill was inactive.

916
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think having Tristan Hill was

917
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: one of those Hey, he's available on waivers, let's put

918
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: a claim in. Oh, we got him good, Maybe we

919
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: can look at him at some point. And also Jonathan

920
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Ledbetter was dealing with a ribs injury. Ledbetter ended up

921
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: playing and actually played pretty decently, so Hill ended up

922
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: being inactive. You know, I think they like what grew

923
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: J Hill. J Hill. I think they like what grew J.

924
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: Hill does on special teams especially, And then you know,

925
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: again you're looking at both those guys are gonna be

926
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: free agents after the year. Like they've got so many

927
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: guys they've brought in this year that it's not like

928
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: they've got them on contracts lasting beyond this year. They're

929
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: they're all guys that are gonna have to figure out

930
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: what they want to do. And the and the one

931
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: guy they do have under contract, Robbie Anderson, is getting

932
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: paid twelve million dollars next year, and you're not paying

933
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson twelve million dollars, So he's probably gonna be

934
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: released or they're gonna have to redo his contracts or

935
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, he's costing you around seven hundred

936
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: grand this year, Robbie Anderson, and we looked at it

937
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: beforehand just to confirm. So it's a nineteen plus million

938
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: dollars cap hit to Carolina. By the way, on Robbie

939
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: Anderson hashtag ouch on that one. Speaking of contracts, and

940
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: here's my last thing I'll bring up between now and Christmas?

941
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: Could there be something under the tree into the form

942
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: of a contract for either a Byron Murphy or a

943
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: Zach Allen. What do you think those would be two

944
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: players where if you're going to get something done, I

945
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: would probably put those at the top of the list

946
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: from how they had performed, first of all, how they

947
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: have progressed and trended upwards the last couple of years.

948
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: But they have both had fantastic seasons. They really have it.

949
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: It's been you can tell the difference of a healthy

950
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: Zach Allen compared to the last couple of years in

951
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: his career and buyer Murphy has just done an incredible

952
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: job shutting down top top receivers week after week this year.

953
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: I don't know how likely that is, though it does

954
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: Steve Khinn do they have a history of doing that.

955
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, before Steve Khin was GM, they

956
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: there used to be a couple of guys that would

957
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: get an extension right before the end of the regular season.

958
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: They weren't real big deals, but they would get a

959
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: couple of things done. That doesn't seem to happen as much.

960
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: And I would think with both by Bayern Murphy, especially

961
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: in Zach Allen and you're talking about bigger type deals again,

962
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: the problem you have these days is as you get

963
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: to the end of the season, are they gonna be one?

964
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're so close to free agency at that point,

965
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: maybe you just see what's out there for you before

966
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: you make any agreements. So I think we're getting closer

967
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: to the time when they're just going to kind of say,

968
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you money whip them, they're gonna We're

969
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: closer to the time where they're just going to say,

970
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna see what's out there now. Again,

971
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, you know, could tag Byron Murphy in theory.

972
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they would tag Zach Allen but you

973
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: never know, and you do have a couple months to

974
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: get something done before free agency actually happens. But even

975
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: though you're this isn't usually supposed to happen, somehow, Amazingly,

976
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: by the time we get to Mint to late February,

977
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: around the combine, agents seem to find getting a good

978
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: idea of what their player might be able to get

979
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: on the open market, even though that's not supposed to

980
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: be able to happen. So you know, usually by then,

981
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, guys have an idea what might what could

982
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: go down? Yeah, well, you know, as as the Anniapolis

983
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Colts just proved, you have no idea what's next. All

984
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Jeff Saturday could be your your head coach,

985
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: and the owner could be saying something like we're lucky

986
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: to have him, and we're lucky he was available, which

987
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: was a real quote from Jim Rsay. So please, somebody

988
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: take Jim Rsay's car keys sometimes soon, please. That'll do

989
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinals Underground. I'm sure you

990
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: guys will see you guys coming down the red carpet

991
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: for the debut of The Hard Knocks, Right, Danny, I

992
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: can't I should get y'all's autographs now before that first

993
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: episode comes out. I'm sure you both are making a

994
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: good amount of appearances. The only reason I'm going is

995
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: because I have to do a little chat session I

996
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: think with Buddha afterwards in the theater. Otherwise I wouldn't

997
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: be even be invited. That's I'm just the help. That's

998
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: basically how this works around here. I'll be there exactly

999
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: exactly point. You guys will have your reserve seats, and

1000
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: I'll just be coming back through the back door of

1001
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: the employee entrance. And that sums up everything here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's owner Ground. Brought to you by a Pacific Office

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