WEBVTT - Catching Up with Zac Blair 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.280 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.959 In a bright egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.720 Frida Egg egggg, Frida Egg bride. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.600 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the gulf. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.280 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:43.400 Today's episode is with Zach Blair. Zach is a return visitor. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.960 It's been a while. I think the last time we 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.559 talked to him moves before he started construction at the 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.760 Tree Farm. So it's as the tree Farm finishes it 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.880 is I think about ninety percent done, it will begin 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.520 to start preview play in in the spring. I was 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.000 excited to talk to Zach about the project building a 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.080 golf course, but also his return to the PGA Tour. 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.480 He's back on tour after a long break due to 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.960 a shoulder injury. So, without further ado, here is Zach 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:24.000 player zb You're back back on the pod. It's been 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.360 a minute. Golf course got built in the time that 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:33.200 you've been off the pod. Yeah, I got it, got it. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.679 Got to ask first right out of the gate. I've 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.000 always wondered. I always wanted to ask somebody, what's major 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:40.959 medical life like. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.520 Yeah, it was pretty crazy, you know, for you know, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.400 right after surgery and the end of twenty twenty, kind 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.440 of couldn't do anything for basically like eight months. So 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.720 just got to hang out at home and you know, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.120 make make some trips to the tree farm every once 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.160 in a while, I go see what's going on out there. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.960 But yeah, it was just basically just hanging out. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.520 Was that the longest break from golf that you can 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:07.559 remember in your life? 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.040 Yeah, for sure. I mean it went you know, COVID 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.080 not playing any competitive golf for however long. That was 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.800 then kind of back, you know for a couple of 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.480 months straight into you know, getting hurt and not being 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.240 able to golf for a couple of years. It was 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:26.919 pretty wild. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.880 What's what's it been like being back on tour after 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.320 such a long break. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.359 I mean it was great, you know, right out of 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.640 the gates, played good at Stafeway. That was I guess 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.960 it's the fortnite now, you know. It was just cool 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.079 to be playing professional golf again. You know, you kind 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.040 of waiting to kind of see if you can still 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.720 actually compete and play and do it for a week 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.720 or two at a time, and you know, I think 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.239 it was cool for me to actually be like, okay, still, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:01.400 I'm still okay. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:04.600 Yeah, that's uh. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:09.040 I mean, was there anything that you felt like now 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.840 that you've been kind of back in the swing, you've 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.040 been playing a lot. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.680 You know, you played last week, you're playing this week. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.640 Is there anything that you feel like you kind of 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.120 took for granted and now that you're back, you're kind 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.200 of like, oh, yeah, like I forgot about that. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.800 You know, there are things, there's a lot of things 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:34.080 out here that have changed a little bit. You know, 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.160 I did my I did my handful of rehab starts, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.760 and you know, you're kind of you have to rent 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.040 a car and you have to do all these things 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.080 that aren't like a big deal at all, you know, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.400 like total like first world problems. But then you know 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.400 out here it's like they got the bmw X stix 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.600 for you at the Amex, you know, and you know 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.720 you're eating like really good food in the clubhouse. So 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.320 it's it's little things like that that you're just kind 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.760 of like, Okay, this is definitely where you want to be. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.600 What you know, what what were some of the What 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.360 are some of the things that have changed that you 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.600 alluded to, like would have been the biggest changes since 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:13.400 you've been gone. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.880 You know, they definitely have kind of upped how they 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.359 treat caddies. I would say, you know, you're you're actually allowed, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.200 you know, in the clubhouse and in the locker room, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.480 where before it was like, you know, you could maybe 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.360 sneak in and drop a player's bag off, but sometimes 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.760 they wouldn't let you. Now it's like the caddies can 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.960 can be in the locker room and you know, in 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.160 the clubhouse and stuff like that. So you know, having 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.840 the rushing out. I keep telling him, I'm like, man, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.520 you're lucky you started doing this this year because you know, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.800 you're you're actually like a person. They're treating you like 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.359 you know they should be. So that's one. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.320 And maybe they changed it because they knew he was 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.640 coming out. They wanted to impress him, you know. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.760 That's what I yeah, I mean, that was the first 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:05.520 thing I thought for sure. You know, another one, another 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.280 thing kind of on the opposite side of the spectrum. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.760 There's a lot of events that have They might be 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.600 getting back into it a little bit, but there are 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.120 a handful events like this week at the Farmers like 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.279 no courtesy cars, which is kind of like crazy, you 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.840 know what I mean. And I think they during the 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.799 right right on the comeback out of COVID, they started 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.280 doing that a little bit more, and you know, I 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.039 think they're starting to kind of get some events where 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.719 they do the courtesy cars and stuff. But that is 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.520 one that's like, holy cow, it is crazy. You know. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:43.240 That's that shut out. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.600 That shuttle ride to the San Diego rental car is 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.520 no joke. That's like a fifteen minute ride. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.039 Luckily, I had my I had my truck out, you know, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.560 parked it in Palm Springs before we went to Hawaii, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.480 and you know, have it for the whole West Coast. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.520 But I think I was lucky this week because I 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.279 didn't I didn't even know. But you know, again like 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.000 total first world problems. But I did remember one thing 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.080 that you asked that was like, uh, the first question 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.720 when you're like, you know, coming back, like, what were 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.680 some things that were you know, nice to have nice 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.240 to make some money. Actually, you know, I went two 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.160 years you know, without making any having no income. Basically 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.440 that's it's a long time not to not to make 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.320 any money, so you know, golfing for money is cool. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.400 How does that work? Does like the I've always what 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.039 do you make? Would you say tournament ends? Does like 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.320 the does the check hit? You're like, I assume everything's 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.279 direct to positive? Does it direct positive? Like Monday? 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.760 Is it like Tuesday? Does it? 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.640 I think it's usually like Monday. I think it's a Tuesday. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.120 I think, yeah, it's got to be amazing. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.880 It's pretty nice. Yeah. Yeah, again for you know, not 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.680 not having that happen for two years, and you know, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.320 I was on a major medical so you like, they 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.200 have some insurance policy that kicks in after you know, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.280 I don't know, it's like six months you have to 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.240 be out before you start getting like I don't know 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.280 what it is, like ten or fifteen, twenty thousand dollars. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.160 I don't know what exactly it is. But then I 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:25.720 had to basically get off of that at the start 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.720 of this year or the start of last year, excuse me, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.200 like way before I even started golfing again. But that's when, like, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.520 you know, basically the doctor was kind of like, yeah, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.200 his shoulders like recovered, you know, he's recovered and he 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.400 can start practicing again. There wasn't. I guess there wasn't 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:48.240 like great communication between like whoever does the insurance policy 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.239 and like the surgeon and the doctors and my physical 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.600 therapists and everything, because I wasn't starting, you know, to 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.760 play until August basically, so I went, like I legit 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.400 went basically like from January to August without you know, 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.680 like any income, no money. And I was like, Oh, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.720 that sucks because you hear about some of these guys 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.960 that are on these medicals for you know, ten years, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.040 and you know they're just cashing in this fifteen or 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.760 twenty thousand dollars check. I was like, gosh, damn, that 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.720 would be would have been sick. I would have just 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:18.920 stayed on that thing forever. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.080 Well, I think some of them have. That's maybe the problem. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.720 They're getting two whys to the guys that have been 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.360 muchen that have you know, the degenerat of tow or 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.760 something that is for hiving them from playing. What's What's 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.280 been the toughest thing about coming back the travel. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.120 You know, traveling sucks. Like being able to just be 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.840 at home with my family for two years was kind 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.880 of like wow, this is like pretty awesome, Like get 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.040 to see my kids grow up, get to just hang 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.240 out with you know, my wife and the dogs and 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.439 the kids every single day and just go out and 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.640 you know, take the dogs out for a walk and 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.880 go take Charlie to the golf course. Like that's pretty good. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.160 Then when you have to get on a plane and 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.720 not see them for four weeks, you're kind of like, yeah, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.800 this gets pretty old pretty quick. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.640 I do you feel like travel your your mentality to 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.480 travel really change with uh? 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:17.680 With having kids? 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.240 And because I feel like, you know, when I for 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.680 people that follow you on Instagram or you know, over 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.640 the years, it's like, you know, your travel was you 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.079 go play some of the best courses of the world. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.400 And obviously, you know, I think I share some of 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.920 the sentiment with travel, but has it. Do you feel 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.400 like your mentality towards it really changed with kids? 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.440 Yeah, for sure, because you know, before kids, it was 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.120 just me and my wife, you know, and she could 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.520 go anywhere and not have to worry about anything and 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.880 you know, take do whatever she wanted. Right now now 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.439 it's like, do you really want to take the show 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.160 on the road. It's like it's already hard enough with 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.199 It's already hard enough at home. You know, and then 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.480 you're like, well do you want to do that? Like dude, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.840 when we when we packed, when we went to Hawaii, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.080 we had to have like multiple cars go to the 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.000 airport just for like me, my wife, you know, the 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.120 two kids, and you know my wife's mom. It was 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.320 like seven eight bags, the golf clubs, the you know, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.320 the pack and play all the kids stuff, Like it's 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.760 it's ridiculous. So, I mean, it's totally different. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:35.240 It's funny. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.640 I saw when I was when I was covering the open, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.560 we the Russics was like right next door to the 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.400 dorm that I was saying, talk about like a you know, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:50.559 different class citizen. Right totally, I'm stayed at college dorm 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.520 and across the across the street from the Russicks. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.319 But I'll never forget Monday morning. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.480 I can't remember who the player was, but it was 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.679 like a flair that had a kid and they were 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.360 packed up this this suv and they you know, they've 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.000 spent a couple of weeks abroad with the kid, and 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.800 anybody that's traveled with a young kid, it's just it's 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.600 it's like going to war. When you travel, like you know, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.120 like the day you're going to the airport and feel 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.040 and I don't I don't mean the mischaracterized going of war, 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.559 but like mentally you have to like prepare yourself for 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.920 like a lot of different outcomes, and you're just it's 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.800 like you're on it, like you have like that. It's 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.920 almost like term of golf, like you have like a 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.080 nervous energy about you all day that like really at 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.840 the end of the day, you like are drained. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.120 Yeah, I'm so bad. I'm so bad at it too. Thankfully, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.720 my wife is like unbelievable and you know, can kind 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.160 of tolerate a much higher level than me with all 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.680 of this stuff. But I'm like, one thing happens and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.600 I'm like I'm gone, Like I'm just like, you know, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.439 hands on my head, Like how am I going to 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.360 get through this day? Like I don't think I'm cut 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:56.240 out to be a dad? 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.400 So are you you know, with how are you planning 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:05.120 your schedule with? Obviously, like does that factor into how 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.920 you plan now? And obviously you know, the tour, the 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.199 setup and the events have changed a lot since you've 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.400 been out, but it does, like home time and prioritizing 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.520 some time at home now factor into how you plan. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.760 Yeah, this year, So I have like eighteen starts left 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.840 or something like that, and the schedule just kind of 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:31.120 works out that there's you know, like seventeen or eighteen 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:37.440 more events that are you know, full point events, you 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.800 know that I'll kind of get in, you know, So 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.280 I just kind of based my schedule off of kind 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.560 of what I would get in, and you know, it 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.200 kind of worked out pretty good where there's a couple 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.200 of weeks on, a couple weeks off, and it just 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.920 kind of goes goes about that basically till the end 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.160 of the year. So it wasn't too hard. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.720 Being away from golf, from competitive golf, like change at 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.280 all the way you thought about golf when you came back. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:12.280 Yeah, right when I came back, I started, like I said, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.559 kind of these handful of rehab starts on the corn 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:20.880 Ferry Tour, and I mean it was really just about 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:26.000 like a lot of patients, you know, playing really really 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.640 smart kind of bogey avoidance, and it was all about 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.240 like can I make for less bogies like for the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.719 entire week? And I did a really good job with 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.640 that on the web, and I did a really good 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.000 job of that that first week back at at the 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.000 fortinet and then it's kind of like gone out the 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.559 window from then on basically, you know. But I mean 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.760 it really kind of allowed me to kind of step 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.800 back those couple of years and just be like, you know, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.640 I just need to like make less mistakes. Everyone just 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.920 seem like they make less mistakes than me, whether it's 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.280 being too aggressive or what. But that was the kind 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.920 of biggest takeaway that I saw. So it's kind of 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.600 getting back to, you know, can I do that? Can 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.280 I do a better job of, you know, avoiding mistakes 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:15.760 basically every week? 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.319 Did you did you watch a lot of golf? 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.240 There were I mean a handful of you know, you're 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.840 kind of watching the majors. You know, there's a handful 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.880 of people. I don't know if Tiger really ever played, 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.040 I don't. I think he was kind of hurt around 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.480 you know, most of that stuff. But it was kind 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.880 of just the majors. And you know, if you're sitting 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.120 on the couch or something on a Sunday and there's 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.000 some big names, you know, in contention, you might might 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.720 flip it on between you know, football or something like that, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:45.920 but not a time. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.360 M hm, did you I guess you obviously built a 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.320 golf course and we'll get into that during this time also, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.000 which was I think probably pretty nice that it coincided. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.880 But like, what would you have done with the injury 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.000 time if you didn't have building. Do you think it 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.400 would have been harder to be injured and away from 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.880 golf if you weren't building a golf course? 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.040 I think so for sure. You know, those first handful 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.720 of months, it was kind of a cool break, right, 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.240 You're kind of like rehabbing, doing physical therapy and stuff 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.400 like that, and you're like, Wow, this is gonna be awesome, like, 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.040 you know, getting a nice break, and then you know, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.360 five or six months into it, you're like, have the 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.040 itch pretty bad? To be like wow, Like I went 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.280 from playing golf like multiple rounds a day every day 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.200 for thirty years, you know, like thirty years of my 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.720 life basically to not even being able to swing. I 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.680 think it was Yeah, definitely would have been like basically 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:52.720 impossible for me to, you know, to do anything. It 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.880 was a cool like way to take my mind off it. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.520 Yeah, I you know, it's funny. I cut my figure. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.440 I've got to compare to cutting my finger, but I 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.120 cut my finger really bad. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.800 A couple of like it was like a month and 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.560 a half ago, and I couldn't swing. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.640 I couldn't grip a club for a while, I hit 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.600 like three balls with it. Shortly after I was like, oh, 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.880 no way, and then I kept like trying and it 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.400 was like and like I was ended up being away 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.640 for a couple like for like I basically didn't play 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.720 for two months because of it, and like it at 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.600 first it and this is the way I kind of 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.400 always felt with winter in Chicago. It's like you get 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.520 like that, like golf season ends and you're like, okay, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.120 like I can do some other stuff on weekends, like 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.840 for a casual golfer like me, like I could do 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.920 some other stuff. It's not like at the top of 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.280 my mind on like what am I gonna do this weekend? 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.120 And then like you get like two months and it's 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.560 just like I really need to go play golf. Like 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.600 you know, it's funny how how it works. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.920 Yeah, Yeah, that's basically exactly how it was. It was 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.120 kind of my surgery was you know at the end, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.400 you know, towards the end of the year, like November 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.400 if or something like that. So it was the season 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.440 was kind of winding down and it was kind of 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.280 you know, routine, right We're kind of shutting it down 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.760 for a few months, going to hang out, you know, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.000 spend spend the holidays with the family and stuff like that. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.439 But you know, when the Masters started rolling around and 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.080 you're like, holy cow, like I'm not doing this right now, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.840 it was pretty It was pretty. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.760 Tough for me the fan. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.560 It feels like, I don't know, I always look back 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.199 on the year and I think the best time on 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.320 the PGA Tour is like right now, Like we're in 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.800 the middle of like the best period of PGA Tour golf. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.399 Does it feel like that for a player or is 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.119 it just like you're just focused with like, you know, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.080 I'm just curious. Do you have favorite stretches? Is there 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.080 like things that like you really amped up about. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.240 I've always enjoyed the West Coast just you know, being 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.560 from Utah, it's pretty easy. You know, the families always out, 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.639 We're kind of driving up and down the the coast 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:05.119 during this stretch. So I've always enjoyed it. You know, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.199 Hawaii is obviously really cool to go over there for 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.760 a little bit, but so yeah, I've always I've always 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.919 liked this kind of period of golf as well. After 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.800 this stretch kind of when you start heading back to Florida, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.119 you know, it seems like the schedules all over the 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.560 place in terms of it's kind of like a couple 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.159 of weeks off and then like a few weeks off 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.480 if you're not in the major, So you're kind of 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.000 going on if you're not in the Major, a couple 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.480 of weeks off and then back on and then you know, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.080 so it's all chopped up basically like the next three 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.159 months once you kind of hit the Florida swing. So 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.320 but honestly, it's kind of like every week it's just 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.080 a job, right, You're trying to trying to do the 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.960 best you can that week and get after it. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.879 So that Nicholas Cole starts quote or something like, I 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.840 got tired of of the Saved Caesar set it every week, 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:01.480 you know. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.240 And that's why I went back to the European Tour. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.560 The let's talk about the tree Farm. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.080 I went out there. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.359 I was, uh, it was nice to see it and 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.879 it's almost full full glory and it was really I 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.520 haven't really talked much about it, but I was really, uh, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.560 really blown away with what you guys accomplished out there, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:31.000 and you know, i'd be interested from from your standpoint, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.520 what what were the differences As you're like nearing, i'd say, what, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.439 you're ninety percent done with the with the course. Yeah, 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.480 differences between your original vision and the result at the 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.000 Tree Farm. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.560 I mean better, you know, I think it's a lot 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.320 better than I ever thought it could ever be or 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.200 wouldever be, which is obviously a bonus. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.840 And you know, Kai and Tom and everybody, Matt Small 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.600 and everyone that worked out there, you know, has just 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.560 kind of crushed it and brought a lot of really 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.280 cool ideas and you know stuff to the table and 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:11.800 they're kind of out there right now. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.000 It's crazy to see how much it's even changed since 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.120 you were out there, now that they've kind of started 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.240 to kind of tie in all the edges on the 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:26.320 front nine and stuff like that. So I think it 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:30.680 turned out like as good or better than I could 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.560 have ever thought it would have, which was always the goal. Right. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.119 It's like, if you could make a really cool golf 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.240 course that people, you know, enjoy playing and like coming 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.760 out to you kind of that's the start of it. 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.399 So yeah, one of the things that I was taken 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.640 back by was like, you know, from going there early on, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.359 going there in the middle of the project, like I 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.679 knew the land was really good, but then playing the 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.320 golf course as a whole, I was like, this was 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.840 this is really a great piece of land. And I 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.000 think that was something that stuck with me, is like, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.480 you know, I knew that, knew it was a really 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.160 nice piece of ground, but then you know, when when 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.240 everything is set out and laid out, it was like, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.680 this is this is a really great piece of land. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.600 Yeah, yeah, I you know, when when we bought it, 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.119 I had obviously never built a golf course before, but 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.439 I had spent a little time out there kind of 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.320 you know, walking through the trees, and it felt like 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.119 it should be cool, right, It felt like it should 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.560 be good, but you never really know. And then obviously 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.119 Tom and Kai and you know, everybody that kind of 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.640 worked on the routing did a really good job of 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.040 making sure that that part of it was you know, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.840 set in place, and you know, we've had a bunch 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.680 of chats about it. It's kind of like that's the starter, right, 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.560 you got to make sure you get that one right, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.040 and I think we did, and you know, I think 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.919 it shows off like the property in a really really 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.400 great way where you uh, you know, get the visuals 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.359 and you get the look of the terrain and the 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.640 topography and everything like that, but you're not really kind 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.320 of battling it every whole kind of up and down it. 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.040 In most cases, it's like we hired X architect and 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:22.080 he built it. You have a unique situation where obviously 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.520 you were heavily involved with the golf course uh design 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.639 and project and in just the vision, but you also 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.160 had Kai Golby, who for those that don't know, he's 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:38.399 a long time shaper, also had done some significant solo 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.360 work before this this this project. And then you had 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.080 Tom Doak, who made a couple visits to the property 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.520 and really lent himself from like a routing standpoint. You know, 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.760 what what aspects do you think, like, what are the 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.560 things having worked with a couple with both of them, 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.560 what were the things that they really excelled at. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:06.119 Well, Tom obviously you know, like understands everything with golf 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.680 you know, our architecture in general, but but like the 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:13.040 focus was bringing him in to help with the routing. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.040 You know, early on a lot of people, including Kai, 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.720 you know, had mentioned that he would be a perfect 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.879 person to maybe kind of lend a hand and help 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.320 out with that, and it's something he really enjoys doing 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.240 and you know, he's probably the best in the whole 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.840 world at doing that. So it was really cool to 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.600 just see, you know, his whole process and be involved 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.719 in a in a little way and and kind of 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.760 see it from start to finish, and then obviously see 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.320 how the golf was built on top of his routing 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.920 was really cool. And then with Kai, I mean, he's 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:55.520 obviously so talented in the dozer and you know, like 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.200 it's just like beautiful to watch him work, you know 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.200 what I mean, And he has like such an attention 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.920 to detail, and you know, he would just be out 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:10.240 there like just like shaping the like craziest little things 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.760 that you're just like, what are you doing And then 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.119 all of a sudden, you know, a day later, you know, 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:20.119 it would like totally like change the golf hole or 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.040 the green or you know, the t shot like whatever 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.080 he was doing. It was just like he has such 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:30.040 a like such a passion for doing that, and it 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.160 was just really cool to kind of see that whole 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:37.280 side of it, and he was I mean, I definitely, 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:42.199 you know, like worked more with Kai. Tom was obviously 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.600 involved in the routing, and then you know, he let 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.400 me and Kai kind of do the rest of it. 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.280 So it was like Kai and me talked like every 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:57.240 day for multiple years about every little thing, every single hole, 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.280 every single green, every single everything, you know. So it 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.240 was it was just cool to just see that whole process, 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.560 see why he did certain things. I would have ideas that, 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.199 you know, hey, could we do this here, and you know, 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.960 he did a really good job of you know, I 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.720 don't want to say like mentoring, but you know, kind 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.520 of trying to explain to me like, yeah, that's a 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.640 cool idea, but like this is why we can't do that, 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.000 you know, because we need to move the water you 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.359 know here and take it this way, and if you 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.520 put that there, it's not going to work. So it 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.119 was just the whole thing was really cool and you know, 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.520 very thankful for both of them and you know everybody 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.120 else that that's kind of been involved. 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.639 Do you have a moment with with the you know, 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:48.000 daily conversations with Kai, uh where like, is there one 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.080 conversation that ever like stands out in terms of like 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.320 something that that really got better because of that that, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.360 you know, basically collaboration. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:04.280 I mean the one that really really stands out is thirteen. 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.639 So thirteen's this big dog lay right par five, and 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.800 you know when we routed it, it was it was 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.280 like a big change when we you know, Tom had 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.480 his original routing. Then we kind of worked on it 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.520 and he came out and we made like some significant 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:24.200 changes to it. And so thirteen was this big dog 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:28.760 lay right par five and there was this really really 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:32.920 like beautiful green site that was just like really cool 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:37.560 kind of out on this little point, and it just 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.960 wasn't working from you know, a second shot like going 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.200 for a par five and two, Like it just wasn't 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:50.960 working for whatever reason. So like midway through building that hole, 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.840 you know, I had kind of like convinced Kai, like, hey, 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.520 I think we should like maybe change this to instead 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.639 of like staying up top the whole way, like this 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.679 big dog leg right that kind of stays on the 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.040 top of this uh you know valley. Basically I was 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.480 like we should kind of go down the hill. And 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.480 so we basically had to blow up the green site 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.600 to make it work for you know, this approach shot 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.120 that I wanted to change it you know, from from 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:23.679 down in the valley, and I think like midway through that, 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.840 Kai was like, hey man, like no, like this is 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.600 this isn't this isn't going to be cool, Like it's 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.280 not going to be as cool as that was. And 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.399 you know, I had to really kind of put my 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.840 trust in him obviously, like he's done this before, he 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.119 knows a lot more than me. And it was it 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.480 was just a really cool part of the process because 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:49.240 it ended up being better than it was originally because 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.240 we had to rework the green and kind of build 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.320 it any way we wanted to, but kind of put 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.720 it back and you know, they did a really cool 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.840 job putting it back to work for going for it 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.639 intwo from up top. So it was like it was 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.399 definitely like this you know, aha moment where it was 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.720 kind of like all right, like Kay's got this. And 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.040 it was early in the build, right, I was like 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.159 one of the first two or three holes we were 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.960 working on, and it was really kind of like giving 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.480 him the keys like totally at that point and being 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.720 like all right, like if you need my help or 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.479 my opinion on something, you can ask me, but like 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.160 you've got a good idea of like what we're doing here, 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.920 and you know, I kind of gave him my full 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.720 trust at that point, like I'll chime in here and there, 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.520 but I think you're a lot smarter than me, so 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:36.960 I don't want to screw anything up. 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.920 It's I feel like architects probably would all say they 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.360 wish they had more clients or committees that realize that 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.960 they've been doing this for a really long time, you. 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.640 Know, totally totally, And I tried to be It was 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.400 a fine line for me because I definitely did want 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.560 to be involved, but I definitely understand did that I 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.760 didn't like understand as much as these people, you know, 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.400 but again, like I did want to be involved in it, 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:15.200 so I tried to give my opinion, but at the 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.440 same time, like if Kai didn't like my opinion or 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:24.760 had a differing opinion, I would definitely like be okay 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:29.360 with kind of what he was thinking in the whole process. 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.719 Now for a quick word from our sponsor. 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Number One, the biggest difference I would say 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:32.000 is when I could always find cool holes, you know 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.320 what I mean? Like I could I could find cool spots, 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:43.040 cool pieces of the property, cool land to take holes, 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.280 and but my stuff was going to be a lot 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.840 more like, Hey, we're going to build this hole here 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.920 and then we're gonna, you know, build the tenth green 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.200 at Riviera or something like that, right, like like we're 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.920 going to try and do something here, where his was 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.040 always like the opposite, right like, Hey, I've got this 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.400 cool green site, Like how are we going to get 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:08.200 to this green site from here? So, you know, I 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.080 think I always tried to work from like finding cool land. 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.120 He always tried to work from like picking out cool 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.000 green sites, which is probably the appropriate way to do it. 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:23.040 That's interesting, Like it's almost like he like, probably I 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.120 don't know subday we'll do this. We'll have to have 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.920 this conversation with Tom, but like almost zeroing in on 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.120 all the A plus green sites and then working your 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:33.040 way back from there. 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.120 Yeah. And Kai was kind of like that too. I 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.080 remember when we were right when I had brought Kai in, 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.040 you know, he had been to my routing and walked 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.040 it and looked at it, and then he kind of 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.200 like sent me back some stuff and like would just 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.080 circle like you know, we need to get like to 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:50.960 this green, and we need to get to this green, 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.960 and we need to get to this green so you know, 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.120 I think it's a little easier now seeing how they 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.760 actually build golf courses, like you know, working that way, 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.360 and then you know, my routing, I would say, like 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.479 definitely took on the land a lot more like head 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:13.319 on where Tom like traversed it. And it wasn't a 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.919 lot of like straight up and down like mine. Mine 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.680 would have been really really cool and crazy and wild. 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.760 But you know again it would have been really crazy 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.120 and wild like and I think it would have got 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:30.080 a little repetitive on mine, kind of playing over these 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.240 big landforms and you know, up and over, up and over, 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.400 where his is like a good mix of you know, 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.080 playing down through the valleys and then up and then 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.279 being up on top of the ridges, and you know, 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:46.200 just you know, the elevation change like the lowest point 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.480 where golf is to the highest point, I bet it's 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:52.480 like seventy or you know, seventy feet different. But you 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:57.080 never besides the walk up to four Green, you never 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.400 really feel like you're going like way up up and 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.360 weigh down. You know, it's just kind of like gently 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.520 going up and around and over stuff. So that was 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.200 a I think that was another kind of like big 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.200 difference and then the main The main one was just 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:17.040 like I said, like I could always find cool holes, 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.000 but then it would always get to a point in 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.399 the routing where it was like, oh crap, like where 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.319 do we go from here, you know, and how do 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.680 we get back to cool golf? So let's just piece 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.040 together a few holes to get over there. And you know, 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.520 Tom pieced together like eighteen really good golf holes without 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:41.600 really you know, sacrificing like an average hole here or 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:43.360 there to get back to good golf. 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:48.239 Well, the way I've always thought about it, and this 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.080 comes from somebody that hasn't ever routed, of course, and 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.160 I just to me, the holes that you kind of 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.759 have to hang on to are when you find the 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:03.040 really good long holes, right, like the good like great 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:08.600 par fours and five. Knowing like because you can almost 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.560 find par threes a lot of places with a really 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.160 nice piece of land like you had, right. 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.160 Yeah, and par three's you know when you see like 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.600 seventeen at the tree farm. It was kind of like 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.799 Tom and Kai always just basically said like we're just 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.879 going to have to like create something cool here, and 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.040 it's the easiest place to create something, right. They're the 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.280 shortest holes. It's really just like kind of do whatever 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:42.240 you want. So, yeah, the long holes, I would assume 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.680 we're probably tougher, you know. I just kind of chimed 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.279 in here and there with Tom's stuff and kind of 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.520 let him, you know, take care of it, and he 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:51.239 did a good job. 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:56.040 Did you guys make any changes from Tom's routing outside 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:57.360 of like thirteen. 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.239 Well, yeah, so he you know, he kind of did 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.680 all the work off the topo map like initially and 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.080 kind of sent me snippets you know, where he was going, 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:10.200 and you know, eventually, you know, like a week into 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.560 it or whatever, he kind of had his thoughts on 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.000 like this is this is our starting point, and then 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.280 I'm gonna come down and you know, next month or whatever, 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.839 and we'll go walk it and figure it out from there. 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.400 And so I was pretty familiar with the property because 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.759 I had just been out a lot and seen it. 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.040 So when I saw Tom's I was so excited to 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.640 go kind of explore and I knew where most of 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.920 it kind of went and everything like that. And then 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.400 when he came down, we all walked it and we 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.760 definitely like that that you know, a day later or whatever, 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:50.160 we made you know, some pretty significant edits with with 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:55.359 where some holes were going basically like what is now 0:37:55.600 --> 0:38:02.040 ten eleven twelve thirteen was was like a big kind 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:07.680 of redo just you know, and that's totally different. And 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:13.120 then from and Tom was obviously involved in all of that, 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.359 that part of it, and then when we were kind 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.400 of like, okay, this is it and started actually building golf, 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:19.919 and then it was kind of like me and Kai, 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.640 I think we kind of like we shortened twelve a 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.120 little bit because twelve thirteen was going to be back 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:32.360 to back par fives, and we so we shortened twelve 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.680 a little bit to make it along part four just 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.879 because we thought thirteen worked better from where we have 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.560 it just from a walking standpoint, everything like that. And 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:50.760 then the only other real change was moving seven seven green. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.360 It used to be kind of like way right up 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.279 in the dune and now it's like way left over, 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.279 you know, on the on the hill. 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.200 What were what was something that was a lot easier 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.920 than you expected about the whole process. 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.120 Man, finding like cool people that wanted to be involved, 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:17.279 like you know, I think I think that was that 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.239 was a you know, obviously not building golf, but it 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.080 was it was just fun to see like how many 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:24.960 people kind of believed in it and wanted to be 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:26.920 a part of it. So that's been really cool just 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:31.799 you know, just seeing the membership you know, happen and 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.239 just getting a bunch of really cool people. But on 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:40.200 the on the golf side of it, man, I mean 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.520 I don't think I don't think a lot of the 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:48.959 golf was a lot harder or easier than I kind 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:54.480 of thought. I knew it would be like challenging and 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.120 and that whole sort of thing. So I don't think 0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.880 there was a ton maybe, like, man, I don't know, honestly, 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.279 that's a that's a good one. I'd have to think 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:03.799 about that. 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.120 What about harder? What was it was? 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.840 Was there an aspect that was like way more difficult 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:10.719 than you expected? 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.719 I think from building a golf standpoint, you know, I 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.080 think we went in kind of thinking that the place 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.240 was just you know, pure sand for like hundreds of feet, 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:28.400 and uh, you know, it was kind of definitely different 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.440 than that in certain areas, and it was kind of 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.520 like a hodgepodge of stuff. So there's you know, some 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.960 areas like up on up on the tops of the 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.600 ridges that are that are pretty sandy and you know, 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.520 I think was a lot easier to build golf over 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.359 there for you know, Kai and everybody else. And then 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.400 there are some areas kind of like down in the lows, 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.520 you know, that get more into like sandy clay. You know, 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.799 it's still still kind of sandy material, but it's not 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.480 like you know, beach sand or something that you know 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:01.840 you find out at like sand Hills where it's just 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.800 like USGA spec like ready to roll. So I think 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.040 I think that that part was just I mean just 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:12.640 everything was like pretty eye opening, honestly. Just the whole 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.040 construction standpoint was like I mean I thought you just 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.200 like hopped in a dozer and like made a push 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.560 and you're like, all right, that's like that's you know, 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.719 that's the uh like fair way, you know, and it's 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.760 just like you see him like going back and forth, 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.080 back and forth, back and forth, and you're like, what 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:29.960 the hell are these guys doing? And then you come 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:31.960 back a day later and you know they have something 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:32.560 really cool. 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.279 That's I have expect a decent amount of time on 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.719 some projects now. Like something that always sticks with me 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.840 is how if you come back every day it feels 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.279 like nothing changed. But then if you're gone for like 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.040 even like two or three days, you come back and 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.839 you're like, whoa so much. But if you're watching it 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.000 in real time, you're like, there's nothing going on. Nothing's 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.000 happening here. This guy's just keeps going back and forth 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.880 on this little twenty yard plot of area, and you're like, no, 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.080 you know this is this is like watch a paid 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:05.920 try a little bit. 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.600 Yeah. So going into the process, like I was legit 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.920 like gonna move out. We had a house right on 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.759 the property and I was going to like move out 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.960 there for like, you know, I don't know, like three 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.520 months basically, and was telling my wife like, hey, I'm 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.560 going to be gone for like three months. I'll come 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.640 home like every once in a while, but I'm gonna 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.759 I got to be there for the whole thing because 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:27.960 I got to you know, see them, you know, build 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.399 all the greens and do all this stuff. And that's 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.719 what happened. Like it was like a week into construction, 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.200 and I was, you know, I thought I was going 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.520 to be like okaying like a bunch of stuff, and 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.239 you know, it was like three four days in and 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.960 I was like, you know what, I'm going to call 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.600 it audible here I'll probably just like come back like 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.880 once or twice a month and we'll look at a 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.719 bunch of stuff and kind of you know, go from there. 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.120 But that was definitely kind of eye opening. 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.719 I'm laughing. I don't know if you've seen any of 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.840 the like the videos they've been doing for the that JT. 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:06.839 Jack Nicholas project where they're like in the cart they're 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:10.680 making them really dramatic. It's like that like Instagram versus 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.960 reality kind of thing. It was like that would be 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.840 like Instagram version of like you're constantly going around like 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.440 pointing at things, talking through and then reality would be 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.879 like you're looking at like one thing for like an hour. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:29.560 Yeah, yeah, it is. It is crazy, Like I mean, 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.600 it's all just so wild. Like I see those videos too, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.440 and it's just like, yeah. 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.360 It's funny. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.160 Were there any holes that going into it you just 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.640 weren't quite sure how they turned out? And and you 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.480 just you know, then we're like, oh, that actually turned 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.880 out really good, like where you weren't maybe we're weren't 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.800 sure there was enough enough things going on that actually 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.000 pleasantly surprised you. 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.160 You know, we're kind of in that whole process that 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:05.799 right now, you know, and Kai probably wants to kill 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.799 me with you know, all all of me and my 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.640 friends kind of like chiming in on certain holes. But 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:20.440 I think the the biggest, you know, the biggest ones 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:28.759 were like initially ten and five just you know, do 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:32.840 they have kind of enough going on? Right? And I 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.560 think they've turned out cool and they're they're subtle holes 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.800 and they have their kind of highlights you know, around 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:43.040 and on the green. But honestly, it was kind of 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.040 like the other way. I think there were a lot 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.799 more holes that were like, oh, yeah, this is going 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.359 to be cool, and then when they're actually done and 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.960 grassed and built, you're like, holy shit, this is this 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.440 is like wild, Like this is awesome. 0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.560 With the subtle holes, is it? Is it hard keep 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.680 from over featuring a hole? 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:08.239 I think on these two examples on five and ten, 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.719 it was kind of like just overall, the course is 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:15.239 like a very generous driving course as is, like, you know, 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.920 there's a lot of fairway, big fairways, you know, a 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.760 lot of room to kind of play off the tee 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.880 and both of these holes are kind of short holes, 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:27.680 and it's like is there enough interest off of the tee? 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.200 You know, because people are like, you know, just in general, 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.680 they inherently like kind of like the eye candy, like 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.839 like something going on, right, And both of these are 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:41.040 kind of like you have a lot of room and 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.840 there there are areas that it's kind of beneficial to 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:50.279 be but they're not really that obvious. And that's kind 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.640 of how they were designed though, right, Like that's why 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:57.400 Kai and me, you know, kind of liked them initially. 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.799 But you know, when other people play, especially good players, right, 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.080 you're kind of like you can't always just try and 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.920 make them like more challenging because the good players think 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.040 they're too easy. So it's kind of that balance of 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.440 you know, not wanting to do too much, you know, 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.200 but at the same time, you don't want it to 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.200 just be like you always can just pull driver. And 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.400 that was kind of the that's kind of the debate 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.640 on five was you know, didn't want it to just 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.840 be like aimlessly always pull driver can hit it anywhere 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.279 in the grass and you know, you're okay, So. 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.080 Did you leave it without a bunker's or are you 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.480 adding stuff to that hole? 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.760 What we did was kind of like we removed basically 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.359 where the on the right side. It kind of you know, 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.239 wrapped around the tree line and kind of connected to 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.839 six Fairway, and it just made it like such a 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:54.080 massive space that like you could just pull driver and 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.200 hit a horrible shot and miss way right. And I 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.080 think we always figured that that grain was going to 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.920 kind of like slope more away and be like a 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.640 much harder shot if you've blocked it way right. And 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.000 it really didn't turn out quite as hard as we 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.160 thought from over there. So we just basically kind of 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:18.840 like extended the uh, you know, the woods out a 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.600 little further that. We brought it out a little further 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.600 left and then a little you know, into six fair Way. 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.920 So it's just kind of like you know, native woods, 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.919 you know, just off grap like what you would see 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.640 off of the grass there, you know, just just for 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.799 a little you know, not like oh my god, I 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:38.919 can hit it anywhere here. 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.400 See, you got preview plays starting in a couple months, 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:45.040 Like what are what's are you most excited about? 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.160 From a feedback perspective. 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.919 I mean mostly just you know, when people come out, 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.520 it's been interesting, like from a membership standpoint, you know, 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.440 some people have you know, been out a lot, you know, 0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:00.480 shout out to Big Country and you know, some people 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.400 have literally the best and some people have been out, 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.600 you know, maybe like never, you know, like I know, 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.600 like a couple of the Utah guys have never been out. 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.120 So I'm just excited for people to see it because 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.680 you know, you see the pictures online. I've been like 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:22.719 really active on like showing people the process, and I 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:26.680 would say the main takeaway usually when people come out 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.080 is like, holy cow, it's like so much better than 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.080 the pictures. You know, It's so much bigger than the pictures. 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.880 This scale is huge, and you can't really capture the 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.120 topography or the scale or anything like that in the pictures. 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:42.239 So I'm just pretty pumped for people to, you know, 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.640 actually just like get out and play it and like 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.880 see what kai and you know, everyone built. 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.680 Changing subjects a little now that you've kind of gone 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.000 through a process of building a golf course, how would 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.799 you design a course for PGA Tour pros if you're 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.520 starting from scratch, I mean. 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:05.000 A lot of water hazards, and I mean if I was, 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:10.000 if you're building a course for like the best people 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:15.400 in the world. The thing that scares professional golfers is 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.640 like hazards, you know what I mean. It's the one 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:21.160 thing that kind of like will deter you from playing 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.200 at a hole. So you would like you need to 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.480 get on a site that's like ridiculously sandy, or you 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.640 need to spend like a billion dollars like just sand 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:34.560 capping it so much that it can actually play firm 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.319 and you know, drain and you can you know, you 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.920 don't have to rely on like perfect weather for it 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.359 to play how it's supposed to play. And then just 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.040 like you know, unfortunately, you just got to like hazard 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:48.920 the shit out of it and make it really hard. 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:53.879 I feel like I feel like sometimes tour events tour 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:58.759 courses are like ridiculously firm, but the the level of 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:02.560 play is so high and the ability to hit the 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:06.640 ball high, like it doesn't it sometimes like it looks 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:10.840 soft on TV when it's actually firm. 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.440 Yeah, they do, you know for the most part, Like 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:20.160 you know, it's usually like fairly firm, nothing like crazy 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.000 outside of a handful of events a year, and I 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:26.560 mean it all totally depends on the weather, you know 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.520 what I mean, Like if you if you have no rain, 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.960 you know, and it's not super windy and you know, 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:37.520 the conditions are right. Some events like Bayhill or you 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.840 know some of them can get the can get the 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:44.400 greens like rocks and make it ridiculous. And you know the. 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:49.800 Aals getting they al's getting in trouble for their I know. 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.399 It's I mean I played it a few years ago 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.480 and it was like it was just kind of like 0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.520 it didn't really matter right, It didn't matter in a 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.759 fair way or the rough or whatever. It was kind 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.160 of like you just had to land it short and 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.359 run it up anyway. So it's always a fine line. 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:10.239 It's always tough, but I mean it's so hard, like 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.400 players are like so good. Like I played today with 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:16.560 Brendan Steele and Sam Ryder and they played good. Yeah, 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.719 they shot like nine and eight under, like eight and 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.720 seven under, and it's like geez, like it's not that easy, 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:24.920 you know what I mean. It's like the course is long, 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.640 the roughest, the roughest, so thick, the greens are you know, 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.960 fast and bumpy, and you know they shoot like nothing 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.320 and you're like, holy cow, people are just good at golf. 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.680 Yeah, yeah, I feel I don't know, I don't know 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:41.000 if you ever think about this. I I you know it, 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.520 but like from when you got on tour to now, 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.680 do you feel like the level of play has has risen? 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:52.200 I don't think so. I mean, like it's just people 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.319 say ever, you know, there's just now there's you know, 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.800 one hundred and forty people that hit it three hundred plus. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.000 You know when I started, there was ten. You know. 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:06.040 It was just like when people hit it that far, 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:10.200 like the percentages are like x amount of people are 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:12.360 going to like pot good that week, you know what 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:15.120 I mean. It's like everyone just hits it so far. 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.200 It's crazy. It's like literally ridiculous. Yeah. 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:22.440 Joseph Labonia had an interesting article. I doubt you read it, 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:27.920 so I'll like basically summarize it quickly here. But it 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:32.759 was a It was about how at Tory distance is 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:36.799 just such a huge advantage because there's such low penalty 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.440 if you hit it far of like when you hit 0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.239 it really far, if you hit it offline, it's not 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:47.560 a huge penalty versus like any compared to Augusta National, 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.520 where Augusta is generous off the tee, but when you 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:56.600 get off the generous spots it's very difficult to recover 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:02.080 from versus like at Tory you can miss wide and recover. 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:07.480 Yeah. Yeah, tories, like especially like with they've taken out 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:12.320 so many trees, you know, in the last since I started. 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.960 You know, like and I played a practice around the 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:17.920 other day and it was just like people hitting it 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.879 like three thirty five, and it like didn't really matter 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:23.040 if you were in the fairway or not. Obviously it's 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.160 better if you're in the fairway, but it's like you're 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:29.200 still hitting like nine iron or pitching wedge or sand wedge, 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.800 and I'm like, you know, hitting it two seventy five 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.719 and having like five iron in It's like I better 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.240 hit the fairway and you know, still it's harder. 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.520 You gotta get out of the heavy, heavy ocean air, 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:42.359 you know, then you can start beating it out there 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:43.120 three hundred. 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.640 It's funny like when I go and play Sony. You know, 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:50.400 Sony was fairly firm in the fairways this year. The 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:53.440 greens weren't crazy firm, but the fairways were, and it 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.560 was like, you know, I'm hitting shots out there and 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.000 just big bounces and like hitting it close to people, 0:53:59.160 --> 0:53:59.920 you know what I mean. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.120 The knuckle the knuckle knuckleballer. 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.839 Yeah, you know, and then then you go to like 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:09.080 freaking last week at the American Express or here and 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.440 guys like legit. I played a practice round with someone 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:16.319 the other day and then even like Brendan Steel, I 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.400 mean he was hitting at like fifty sixty by me 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.759 like a couple of times, and you're just like, he 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:26.920 just hits this smoky, like high perfect draw and You're like, 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.360 oh my gosh, like that would be so nice to 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:30.520 hit it three ten. 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:32.560 I've been playing. 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:37.200 I've been playing retro for like a year, and I 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:39.759 got I was playing. I played Oak Hill on like 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.320 a cold day after rained. 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:43.200 It was like a song. 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.640 It was like raining in and out of rain, but 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:49.400 it had rained so much the last few days, and 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:52.200 I got I got so tired, like on the back eye. 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.439 I just like took one of the guys from our team. 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.279 I was like, just give me your driver, give me 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:58.040 the modern driver. 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.160 I need it. 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:04.759 Just disheart when the ball stops and it's just you know, 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:08.399 it just it kills you. Well, we're getting out of here. 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:13.960 I got two questions to finish up here with. You know, 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.280 you're finishing your first project that you're you know, heavily 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:22.360 involved with. What do you see the future of your 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:27.520 involvement with golf course development, construction and design being have 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:31.240 you thought of it about it and uh, just curious 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:32.640 where where your head's at with that. 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.120 Yeah, it was obviously really cool, you know, seeing the 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.840 whole thing, and you know, definitely made me, uh, you know, 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:44.479 want to do more of it. Obviously. The big thing 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:49.080 for me is wanting to build TBC in Utah still 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.920 and you know that's kind of hopefully, you know, the 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:57.839 next little project. Hopefully in the next year or two, 0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.200 we can find somewhere some to do it. You know, 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.040 it's kind of I think people will see the tree 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.839 Farm and I think it's a really cool spot and 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:10.920 you know, hopefully something an opportunity kind of pops up, 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:13.360 you know, in the near future in Utah. 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.239 One project at a time is a nice way to 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.640 think about it, right, could never get out too far 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.439 ahead of yourself if you do it that way. 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.319 Yeah, Yeah, and it was it was cool, Like I mean, 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:28.239 I really kind of went into the project thinking, like, 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:32.040 you know, this is really like the only the only 0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:36.160 thing I want to do in terms of like if 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.359 this was the only one, that would be okay. But 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.880 I've always really focused on like still wanting to do TBC. 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:46.319 And then during the project after the project. It was 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.960 really it was really kind of eye opening, being like, yeah, man, 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:51.919 like that would be a cool little you know, that'd 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.480 be a cool little gig when you're you know, forty 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.440 five or fifty kind of going around and you know, 0:56:57.480 --> 0:56:59.919 building cool golf courses like that wouldn't suck. 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:04.600 Yeah, yeah, and in different capacities too, right, Like you 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.760 know there, that's something I think I found really interesting. 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.640 I talked to James Duncan, who has a longtime Coren 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:16.000 Crenshaw associate, and he just he talked to a lot 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:19.680 of detail about Ben's involvement and how. 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:21.640 Like they you know, Ben's not like. 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.640 Uber uber day on site involved, but it's like about 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.560 getting Ben out at the exact right times and how 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:34.200 interesting like people think of like different there are so 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:37.080 many different roles of a project, and I think that's 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.320 something I've learned over the last few years. It's like 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.720 just how much goes into it and how little role, 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:48.120 seemingly little roles, make such a huge impact on the 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:49.120 greater project. 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.680 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's just kind of like, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:58.200 you know, his involvement is like it makes it better, right, 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.720 It's like his little inst here and there and even 0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.400 if it's changing like the sixth green or something like that. 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:07.200 You know, it could make a it could make like 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.720 a drastic difference in that golf hole, and that golf 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.720 hole makes a big difference in the golf course itself. 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:17.280 So well, I mean, like that's like an amazing thing. 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.640 I sometimes I think about this as like if I 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:26.000 took away this one little feature, how an extraordinary hole 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.439 could turn into an ordinary hole, or if you took 0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:34.080 away something it might vastly improve a hole. It's like 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.960 it's you know, the line of like it's it's a 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.760 fascinating thing, right is because like a lot of the 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:43.000 like the best stuff is really like kind of like 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.800 if you move something a couple yards, it makes a 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:47.680 huge difference. 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:51.560 Totally. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the whole like thing. 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.720 That's the whole discussion on five right now. It's kind 0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.800 of like, you know, you don't want to do something 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:01.960 that just makes it stupid or makes it worse, but 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.520 if you but if there's something that is just enough 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.760 that makes it better, it could be way better. 0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:11.400 But you never really know, and you could do nothing 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:12.920 and it could be perfect. 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.160 Totally. Yeah. Yeah, that's where that's where Kai's at right now, 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.280 He's kind of like, dude, the whole stick. I think 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:20.560 everyone should just shut up. 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.040 I liked it. I kind of thought it was nice. 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:27.160 I think you like, I mean, my two cents of 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:30.200 people that have never been not many people have been there, 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.720 but you kind of like the first four holes are 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.560 really in your face, and I love the fifth. 0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:39.560 It's just this like cool, little like chill hole, and. 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.200 There's just enough going on that makes you think, and 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:45.280 you like, I found myself, like the second time around, 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:47.960 really trying to push it up the left because I 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:49.120 want to get up the left. 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.040 But then you have some you have some trouble over there. 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:53.800 I don't know. I think it's a hole that could 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:54.720 get in people's head. 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:58.439 I like the holes too, Like, you expect to walk 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.560 off that with a three, but it's really hard to 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:01.360 make the three. 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.320 Yeah, I wouldn't say it's really hard. It's not easy 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:06.400 to make a three. 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:07.840 But you got to, you know, you got to do 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:09.800 the right things. You got to hit two good shots 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:11.520 and make a putt, or you got to hit one. 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.240 You got to hit one good shot and make the pott. 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:16.600 I guess that's the that's the argument right now, is 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:21.120 kind of like right now, the drive before they made 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:23.680 this the slight changes to the right that they have 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:28.840 recently was the drive was so you as long as 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:32.120 you didn't snap like one left in the trees, you 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:35.600 could kind of get away with blocking one seventy yards 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:37.640 right and still just having a wedge on the green. 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:40.040 So I think that was the whole argument. But I 1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:42.320 think Kai and those guys, they did a really good job, 1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:45.160 and you know, you guys to see it. 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:46.760 I gave you my two cents. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.080 Just move the t up and call the part three 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:52.439 and have ask Kicker part three. Ask Kicker Part three 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:53.720 the same thing. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:56.240 That would be tough. 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.160 Uh that last last question? 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:03.880 Uh here before we let you go, you're an elite, 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:10.240 elite golf traveler. You've been a lot of places. What 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:15.360 are what are the few courses and or areas of 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.560 both the country and the world that that you're. 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.120 Really keen to see in the in the near future. 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:27.680 New Zealand. You know, that would probably be like number 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:31.120 one on my list. And then I've. 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.840 Never got to go directly for me now. 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:38.480 Yep, yep, I would definitely like to do that. It 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.600 would be be really cool. It seems like there's just 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:47.000 ridiculous golf down there, you know, and there's obviously like 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:49.800 all the all the new stuff that everyone hears about, 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:52.960 but just seems like so much stuff that you know, 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:56.880 no one even knows. That's just insane from the pictures 1:01:56.880 --> 1:02:02.800 that I see. And then honestly like just like want 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.640 to go back to England and just like play like 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:09.240 Heithland golf and you know, go out like east and 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:11.920 do all that stuff and just go all over. I 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:15.440 went there right before construction at the Tree Farm and 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.240 spent you know, like ten days there or nine days, 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:21.520 and you know, saw a lot of really cool places obviously, 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.760 but you know, not not nearly enough. It seems like 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:26.000 there's just so much more. 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:29.680 That's the way I feel about everywhere I get somewhere. 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.840 I spent some time there, and then I leave with 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.520 a longer list of places I want to see than 1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:39.000 when I got there. You know, That's the beautiful thing 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:40.120 about about golf. 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:43.800 Yeah, I was glad you finally got over to uh 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:47.040 to Scotland, and you know I saw some saw some 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:48.840 good spots like yeah, that's big. 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:52.240 I got it. Now I'm struggling to figure out where 1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:53.080 I'm going this year. 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:57.560 What about you? What about you? Where's where's you know, 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.400 Where's somewhere you want to go? You can't. I can't 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:01.680 pick mine. I can't pick. 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:06.680 Mine everywhere I I you know, I think I want 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.680 to get to the Highlands of Scotland. England is like 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.480 super I feel like I I almost wanted to start 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:17.200 in England, but obviously with the old course last year, 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:21.000 it made too much sense to go over there, and 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:26.200 uh so England's super higher on my list. I'm contemplating Ireland, 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:30.800 maybe maybe doing uh Ireland, I don't know. 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:31.960 It's it's hard. 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:36.720 I've like I've been like dabbling thoughts of like just 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:39.480 getting because I can fly direct to New Zealand, like 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:41.960 just literally getting on a plane one day. I've got 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:46.360 a buddy that moved out there who takes care of 1:03:46.400 --> 1:03:48.800 a really nice course there that I've been thinking about 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:50.880 visiting for like since he moved out there. 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:53.240 So, uh he always sends me. 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:57.240 He sends me pictures like once every month or so, 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.640 and it's it's always like, what am I doing my 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:03.080 goutten out there? So I've got It's hard though, because 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:05.600 like you know, you get these constructing these projects that 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:07.800 are about to be done, like you know, like when 1:04:07.840 --> 1:04:11.960 you look at Australia, like I don't want to go 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:15.440 now until that seven mile Beach is done, right and 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:17.640 I want to see that and yeah. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.720 And then they're building the other one right there, five 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:22.800 mile Beach, like just right on the other side, right, 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.440 So it's like then you got to wait for that. 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:26.840 But if you do that, then you're just there's always 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:28.520 another one coming, you know what I mean. 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:33.120 That's that's exactly it. It's like, and that is like, yeah, 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:37.520 so I don't know. I ideally, like I always think 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:41.080 like if the ideal world is setting up like a 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:45.120 shop in the UK for like a month and and 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:47.440 and bringing the whole bringing the whole road show, that 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:50.520 we this will ties the whole pod together. It's just 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:54.080 bringing the road show, buckling in for a for a 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:58.480 thirteen hour flight with a toddler and just showing for it. 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:03.000 Yeah, shows on the road. I like it. You can 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:04.080 do it. You can do it. 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.280 Where should I go? You tell me? 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:11.160 I mean New Zealand seems pretty ridiculous. You could take 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.000 you could take the wife and kids there and I 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:15.880 think they would they would have more fun then then. 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:22.840 You know, anywhere else maybe, Yeah, Yeah, it's uh I 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:23.120 think that. 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:25.560 Yeah, we'll see, We'll see where I end up going 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:26.560 this year. I'm pumped. 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:30.040 I'm just just thinking about it is fun, you know, 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:32.880 That's like half the fun is I mean, it's also 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:36.640 that as somebody who struggles making decisions sometimes it's it's 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:39.040 a debilitating I can't make a decision. 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:39.960 That's half the problem. 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:41.800 Just need you just need to pick out of the 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:45.520 like the jar right, you have like seven good spots 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:48.920 and you're like, you know, oh, I'm going to Ireland. 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.960 How how did you pick coming here? I put all 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.160 the names in a hat and pulled out one of 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:56.840 them and that's where I decided to go. That's the 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.040 part of that the way I want to do it, 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:01.919 though I think I've said this before on the pod, 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:05.760 like is like my favorite thing is finding is going 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:07.920 to like some of the lesser known stuff, like you 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:10.200 were talking about with the New Zealand, Like there are 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:12.160 a lot of big name places there, but there's like 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:15.600 I have a list of smaller courses that haven't really 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:19.240 been you know, touristed out that I want to see. 1:06:19.920 --> 1:06:22.800 And I think when I think about I want to 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:26.600 go to like small areas and be in that area. 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:29.640 I don't want to be driving a car around a 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:32.120 lot when I go to the UKA, Like I want 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.840 to go to his small area and just knock out 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:37.960 everything in the area. Yeah, and so so I've just 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:41.760 like locked myself into like twenty years of visits before 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:42.520 I see everything. 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:45.200 I want to see good golf for twenty years or 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:45.600 like it. 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:49.200 All right, zeb thanks for coming on in the middle 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:49.880 of the tournament. 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:51.800 Good luck the rest of the week. We'll see you 1:06:51.800 --> 1:06:54.360 on the weekend and then you'll you'll get. 1:06:54.200 --> 1:07:01.040 Your Sunday free to You'll be driving up to Pebble Sunday. Yeah, yeah, 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:02.440 I'll see you next week down there. 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:04.040 All right, sounds good. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.560 Thank you for listening to another edition of the Friday Podcast. 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:22.680 Big thanks to Matt Russis, who produced and edited this podcast. 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:26.440 He's been a big help. 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