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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December twenty eight, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number eighty six. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, we're getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus
Speaker 1: Cardinals that's coming up this Sunday. It has been moved
Speaker 1: if you didn't know, to a three twenty five kick
Speaker 1: time at AT and T Stadium. That will be a
Speaker 1: fun game to watch. We'll get you ready for it. Nick,
Speaker 1: let's start off first. Give me an eighty six eighty six?
Speaker 1: Eighty six? Man? How about I mean, have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of the California quake? Yeah? Butch Johnson were eighty six,
Speaker 1: that was back in the day. Eighty six. Why do
Speaker 1: I think he was eighty three? Nine? Eighty six is
Speaker 1: eighty six? He used to be. He used to he's
Speaker 1: the six shooters, you know, touchdown all that, he's about
Speaker 1: the third. You know, well you've seen them. The catch
Speaker 1: he didn't catch against the Broncos and Super Bowl you
Speaker 1: know you've seen that that highlight Um oh, he's the
Speaker 1: guy that caught that. Yeah, I don't know why that
Speaker 1: just bothered ute. Yeah, it's like in today's world, like
Speaker 1: that wouldn't even be a thing that no chance, trust me.
Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of times we do you know,
Speaker 1: highlight videos and top ten moments and people will say,
Speaker 1: Nick Luca this video and I'm like, nah, to take
Speaker 1: that out. He didn't catch that, like super Bowl, like, nah,
Speaker 1: give me something else, eighty six. Butch Johnson you got
Speaker 1: one day, I got one. No, you know he's going, well,
Speaker 1: I I don't, I don't. I'm right, I'm out on
Speaker 1: this game because like when I weigh in, then I
Speaker 1: start getting the comments people like you didn't bring this
Speaker 1: guy up. I'm like, I don't know when Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell now head coach of the Detroit Lions, Yep,
Speaker 1: Golden Scholtz perfect, great, that's yeah. I'm just he's having
Speaker 1: a great I just got off a show with him
Speaker 1: eighty six. So I have to say, Isaiah, stand back,
Speaker 1: here you go. That's a good one. He's actually good.
Speaker 1: More of that number. Yeah, that's actually good. Shout out Isaiah,
Speaker 1: Isaiah good. All right, let's let's jump in. I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about one player that's been injured. That
Speaker 1: sounds like maybe there's a chance he's coming back. Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: what are we hearing? Swassunt sent it's for our French listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah that mean I mean seventy seven. Oh, get your
Speaker 1: ass back on the line up. Not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's gonna plays seventy seven. Okay, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense. It's just the way stadium slower. We
Speaker 1: were so off the rails already. Sais sand set. The
Speaker 1: set is seventeen in French and swissant is sixty six
Speaker 1: sixty plus seventeen. Is that how they do their numbers? Like,
Speaker 1: not all of them, but that's how they do that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yet anything else? No? I used to be pretty good
Speaker 1: at French, but it's been a look a lot of
Speaker 1: years of that. In high school, I took six years
Speaker 1: of French. Wow, it's impressed. It sounded smart, at the time.
Speaker 1: But like I really would just wish I never could
Speaker 1: use well, I would like speaking Spanish makes so much
Speaker 1: more sense, Like that is such a more useful skill
Speaker 1: if you gotta live in Texas yet in America at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, and I don't know anything about it,
Speaker 1: but I can count to seventy seven in French. So, okay,
Speaker 1: smiths looking he's looking like he's gonna play. I'm sorry, everybody,
Speaker 1: he's looking like he's gonna play against Arizona. That's the
Speaker 1: early word on the street. Well have to see. But
Speaker 1: are you okay with that? Because I know a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago you were saying, like, man, just let him.
Speaker 1: Well that's untill now. I'm not really okay with it,
Speaker 1: I guess because in my mind I'm thinking, all right,
Speaker 1: let me look at the calendar. He plays this game,
Speaker 1: he gets through it, but he gets a setback, and
Speaker 1: then he misses the Eagles game, and then two weeks later,
Speaker 1: so so I'm already thinking, yeah, you know, when's the
Speaker 1: next one. I probably wouldn't play him. I probably wouldn't,
Speaker 1: but he's good to go. He's good to go. Me,
Speaker 1: you gotta have this game, you gotta you gotta win.
Speaker 1: That's the thing for me, and unfortunately I haven't had.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run the rest of these numbers today because
Speaker 1: I am curious what like all of the contenders home
Speaker 1: away splits are. But like this, this is sneaky important.
Speaker 1: It's not even sneaky. Why would I say it's sneaky
Speaker 1: Like they need these wins, they need to maximize their seating.
Speaker 1: I looked this up this morning. They are winning their
Speaker 1: home games by an average score of thirty eight to
Speaker 1: twenty two, and their road the road split is twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty. Oh you serious? So what am I
Speaker 1: looking at here? That's like everybody's schedule the rest of
Speaker 1: the way. Oh no, yeah, I mean I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about that. I just I don't I don't know how
Speaker 1: much better everybody else's home person. I'm sure everybody. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals that Cardinals are not. They are
Speaker 1: great on the road right way better on their problems
Speaker 1: right now. But it just what they did to Washington
Speaker 1: only emphasizes to me how important it is that this
Speaker 1: play team plays as many games as possible at home.
Speaker 1: And yeah, what Denver's really the only game where they
Speaker 1: haven't played pretty damn well at home. Like I know,
Speaker 1: they lost to the Raiders. They scored thirty three points
Speaker 1: in that game, took it to overtime. So my point is,
Speaker 1: if if Tyring can play, I'm trying to at least
Speaker 1: get the number two seed. Number one seeds not really
Speaker 1: in your control. But if you can get the two seed,
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to home playoff game, and that that is
Speaker 1: all in your control. You win the final two, stay
Speaker 1: at well, you hope that you stay at two. You
Speaker 1: need the Rams account. It's weird with you, but it's weird.
Speaker 1: You got. The best you can do is you gotta
Speaker 1: keep winning, right yeah, which and then well, the Bucks
Speaker 1: can lose. I mean it's not like they're cam. They
Speaker 1: don't have they don't have to kind of schedule that
Speaker 1: makes you think they're going to lose it. But they can't.
Speaker 1: Nick's gonna come at us because the Lions just beat
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, I'm saying, I mean they can though they yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but the Saints can. That Saints team that we just
Speaker 1: saw last night against Miami can shut out the Bucks
Speaker 1: at home, then yeah they can be beat They can
Speaker 1: who they play, I don't even I guess the Jets.
Speaker 1: They play the Jets in the Cardinals team that just
Speaker 1: that they just beat by twenty five. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: Bucks don't Bucks don't get to do the whole division
Speaker 1: stuff at the end. No, well they I mean the
Speaker 1: last game division. They played three of their last four
Speaker 1: against the division Panthers. I guess, I guess you can't
Speaker 1: do everybody that way. Yeah. I think this is a
Speaker 1: team that I look at Tampa and I'm like, they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna keep winning. So your best shot is you
Speaker 1: gotta keep winning, and you gotta pray the Rams keep
Speaker 1: winning because without the Rams there, then you drop back
Speaker 1: to three instead of two, and that means you get
Speaker 1: a home game that first round, but that next round
Speaker 1: you are on the road. Ask you this, though, you do,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the seventh scene? Okay? Right now, let
Speaker 1: me tell you where they are right now. So you
Speaker 1: got the top four, you got Green Bay, Dallas, Rams,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Then you got Arizona at five, then you
Speaker 1: got San Francisco at six, and you got Philadelphia at seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I ask again, do you want to be the two? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and take on the Eagles back to back like they
Speaker 1: I mean, you play them, bring it on. I don't
Speaker 1: care about. Well, here's the other thing. You beat the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles in Week seventeen, there is a chance that
Speaker 1: you knocked them out of the playoffs. I think they
Speaker 1: have to win out to make it. Yeah, believe because
Speaker 1: they right behind them, right right now behind them. I
Speaker 1: think they've got New Orleans in Minnesota. I want to say,
Speaker 1: they're both seven and eight, one game behind them, and
Speaker 1: I think if they I think the Saints. I think
Speaker 1: the Saints would have the tiebreak over them. But um,
Speaker 1: I'd rather play the Eagles than the Vikings. I think
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yeah, No, I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. I just
Speaker 1: think division games are tricky, you know how it is
Speaker 1: when you're playing division teams, it's just tricky. And I
Speaker 1: recognize that iron you're saying that coming off a fifty
Speaker 1: six to fourt team where but but it is it's
Speaker 1: trickier when you're playing division games, just because I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's the Saints in the Bucks. Like division games,
Speaker 1: division teams know you better and it's just a little
Speaker 1: different than playing an uncommon opponent. You're right, but the
Speaker 1: Eagles just I don't know. I don't They're not afraid
Speaker 1: of them. I'm afraid of the team with the better quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Jalen Hurts is that guy at
Speaker 1: this point is better than he is. He is a
Speaker 1: better passer, I don't know the he's a better quarterback
Speaker 1: because what they're doing, what Philly is doing right now
Speaker 1: running the ball, this quarterback works for that, and he
Speaker 1: works very well for that kind of style of playing football.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll matter though, because I just I mean,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys win the game, then I Philly's probably out.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys lose the game, then they're probably out. They're
Speaker 1: probably not. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's super yes,
Speaker 1: So either way, it's not likely that now. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with San Francisco in Philly because
Speaker 1: they're both eight and seven. So Phil hurt too, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a well that might be good for him,
Speaker 1: but they may actually Philly may actually jump up to
Speaker 1: the six, which if they beat Dallas and Dallas may
Speaker 1: drop to the three, so they still may get them.
Speaker 1: So there's still a lot to be figured out. The
Speaker 1: point I think that all of us are trying to
Speaker 1: make is Dallas to secure the best seat possible needs
Speaker 1: to win out. They need those final two games, and
Speaker 1: then they need a little help along the way with them.
Speaker 1: And it's it's annoying because typically at this time of year,
Speaker 1: the results of this week can kind of set it
Speaker 1: in stone a week ahead of time. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: seem likely because unless and less like the Rams lose
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys win and the Buccaneers win and the
Speaker 1: Packers win, than maybe that would say. But I guess
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is that both of
Speaker 1: these games, there's still gonna be something to play for
Speaker 1: it no matter what happens. So that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a bummer in the sense of, like, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to rest Zeke and Tyron and Tony and all these guys,
Speaker 1: but is it worth not having the two seed? And
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. And going back to what
Speaker 1: originally prompted this, Stealen and Seki have played well enough
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm okay risking the chance that he aggravates
Speaker 1: his injury, and I don't want that to happen, but
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Tyron out there for games that can
Speaker 1: get me a better playoffs. Okay, you make that argument
Speaker 1: the other way. Can't you also say, well, they've played
Speaker 1: well enough that I'd rather keep resting Tyring. Hope. I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to win this game, still trying to win
Speaker 1: in hoping that you know that they play well. But I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, gonna just save Tyron for the playoffs or Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good enough player that he can
Speaker 1: do that, Like he can just go right into your
Speaker 1: playoff game. Absolutely, we've seen him do it. Like he's
Speaker 1: not one of those guys that comes back from injury
Speaker 1: and he has needs a game or two to to
Speaker 1: kind of knock the rust off. He tends to be
Speaker 1: tiring because it's not just his ankle, it's just the
Speaker 1: neck in the back of the ankle, I mean, the
Speaker 1: elbow and all that stuff. So you're resting at all
Speaker 1: when you rest him. So no that I don't I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you, Dave. You actually brought up an
Speaker 1: interesting question I have for you guys. And this is hypothetical,
Speaker 1: but let's assume Dallas didn't have anything to play for
Speaker 1: in week eighteen, um, but Philly is playing to get
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Would you play your players just to
Speaker 1: knock them out now, or would you rest your guys?
Speaker 1: I would rest my guys if I had if there
Speaker 1: was nothing at all to be gained from that game.
Speaker 1: Other you're cemented at three, which is probably what would
Speaker 1: be the scenario three or four. You're cemented there, if
Speaker 1: you're there, or you're just you're sitting your guys. I
Speaker 1: don't have to care what Philly does. I mean, it doesn't,
Speaker 1: but if but it could be that that's your chance
Speaker 1: to get them out and you don't have to face
Speaker 1: him in the first round. I don't. You don't care
Speaker 1: about how afraid of Philadelphia. They're not good. They's like no,
Speaker 1: and I know, like famous last words. I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not oh my god, we gotta play because Philly
Speaker 1: might get into the playoffs. No, they're not good. They're
Speaker 1: not good. It's like we knocked you out of the playoffs. Cool,
Speaker 1: I knocked back out. I mean that's serious, man, that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, right, I'm just saying that, no idea, no things.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our first break when we
Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna joined by Buckey Brooks of NFL Network.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to some Arizona offense versus the Dallas defensive.
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Speaker 1: are joined right now by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some Arizona offense versus Dallas defense. So
Speaker 1: let's start first, Bucky, I want to know, from your
Speaker 1: perspective you've seen both these players. Is Michael Parsons capable
Speaker 1: of containing Kyler Murray? Who? I think so because Calabury
Speaker 1: doesn't look to run all the time, like he's been
Speaker 1: a little more hesitant and selected when it comes to running.
Speaker 1: But I think now with this team in the middle
Speaker 1: of a slide, I think all things are off. I
Speaker 1: think he'll do anything. But yeah, Mica is certainly athletic.
Speaker 1: Enough to make it uncomfortable for Cala Murray in and
Speaker 1: around the vocket. How did the Lions beat them? Beat
Speaker 1: them up, physically, beat them up. We can say a
Speaker 1: lot of the Capital Lions in their record, but they
Speaker 1: play hard. No, they play hard, their physical football team.
Speaker 1: And what they did is they took the fight to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. They also caught the Cardinals at the right time.
Speaker 1: Cardinals were kind of sleepwalking after getting beat by the Rams,
Speaker 1: walked into the air, weren't ready to play, and they
Speaker 1: get hit in the face. And I think what people
Speaker 1: have seen like they are a team that typically dictated
Speaker 1: the terms earlier in the year with their aggressiveness and physicality. Well,
Speaker 1: the tables have turned and people are kind of utilizing
Speaker 1: that formula against them, and they haven't responded well. And
Speaker 1: so I think the recipe for dealing with the Cardinals
Speaker 1: in general is you want to make it a fistfight.
Speaker 1: You want to make it one of those physical games
Speaker 1: and see if they have the ability to withstand it. Buck.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Kyler being a little more hesitant
Speaker 1: to run because I mean, yeah, since his injury, that
Speaker 1: hasn't been a big thing. I think he and yeah,
Speaker 1: he only ran for three yards in that loss to Detroit,
Speaker 1: but the last two weeks, I mean, he had seventy
Speaker 1: four yards on Saturday against Indianapolis. So like, and you
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to this, do you expect them to
Speaker 1: make more use of that because it makes them so
Speaker 1: much more dangerous or is it not worth the risk
Speaker 1: of him aggravating that injury. I think he did it
Speaker 1: and he kind of popped to play lose our guy,
Speaker 1: We lose him here you go? Yeah, sorry, you back now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: okay nah. So like, look, he had a big run.
Speaker 1: He had a fifty two yard run in that game,
Speaker 1: and then he selected, but they're not using them the
Speaker 1: same way then I really run in zone read and
Speaker 1: some of that other stuff that they were running early
Speaker 1: in his career. But I think, now, man, when you
Speaker 1: lost the way that they've lost and you in jeopardy
Speaker 1: of kind of falling down the seedings, I think you
Speaker 1: have to unleashed Kyler and let him do whatever you
Speaker 1: can to keep this offense going. So they are now
Speaker 1: without DeAndre Hopkins, and I know they played some games
Speaker 1: earlier this season without him as well. How much does
Speaker 1: this offense change and in what ways does it change.
Speaker 1: Without Hopkins, didn't have anybody on the perimeter that scares
Speaker 1: you outside of zach Ertz, And zach Ertz only troubled
Speaker 1: you a little bit because he can control the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. But there's not a receiver out there
Speaker 1: that you're worried about, no one that demands a double team,
Speaker 1: no one that demands special attention like Trayvon Diggs traveling
Speaker 1: in those things. The loss of DeAndre Hopkins really hurst.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a different type player because he's not
Speaker 1: a speaster, but he wins fifty fifty balls. Without that
Speaker 1: element on the becomes very pedestrian. That's why we're seeing
Speaker 1: them engaging these tough battles where they're not scoring the
Speaker 1: amount of points that they were scoring early in the year,
Speaker 1: and the running game has not been as effective and
Speaker 1: as prevalent in their game plan as it had been
Speaker 1: early in the year. How much does that affect their
Speaker 1: red zone because I know in the red zone he's
Speaker 1: another guy that can, like you said, he can catch
Speaker 1: the fifty fifty ball. They throw it up to him
Speaker 1: a lot. How much is that affecting their ability to
Speaker 1: be effective in the red zone? Well, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a huge loss because he is an outstanding red zone weapon,
Speaker 1: does a great job catching the ball when it's contested.
Speaker 1: Without him, now they're kind of leaning on other guys
Speaker 1: unknown and those guys, but they don't have a dominant play. Addition,
Speaker 1: Countle and AJ Green is not the Aj Green that
Speaker 1: the name used to represent, like he's a solid player.
Speaker 1: If without those weapons, you're seeing that they're having a
Speaker 1: tough time consistently moving the ball, consistently putting the ball
Speaker 1: in the end zone has been one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why they struggled. This is that time of year where
Speaker 1: we ask you about the Cowboys fourth cornerback. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on how you thought Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph played in his first start and he got a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps the other night. Yeah, he probably got
Speaker 1: a chance to play, and I think it's a good
Speaker 1: thing for him to get in the field. Look, man,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been playing so well, whom I think
Speaker 1: you can say good things about Kelvin Joseph. Sound like
Speaker 1: we started that way. How boys are playing so well
Speaker 1: that you put anybody at cornerback. You put Dave at
Speaker 1: cornerback and he played well, I don't know about that, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. No against two. You
Speaker 1: don't Christian Kirk, Christian Kirk, Christin Kirk bad idea. That's
Speaker 1: what my question was gonna be about Christin Kirk. Well,
Speaker 1: between Kirk and um More, Rondell More both. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting from what I understand. I mean, and this makes sense,
Speaker 1: but them not having Hopkins is forcing them to play
Speaker 1: those guys out of position, like Kirk has been a
Speaker 1: great slot receiver for most of the season. Rondel Moore
Speaker 1: is I mean, he's just get him the ball however
Speaker 1: you can. But those I'm not gonna say that about
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk doesn't scare anybody because I mean, if you
Speaker 1: if you're an Arkansas fan and you've watched him and him,
Speaker 1: um my god, he's he's scored about and by the way,
Speaker 1: and last year, he's doing it this year too, Like
Speaker 1: he's playing pretty well this year eighty on the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, he's just not Hopkins, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's a very formidable opponent. Not to take credit away
Speaker 1: from Christian Kirk, but the Cowboys just decided not to
Speaker 1: cover him on that play. But he's having He is
Speaker 1: having the best season of his pro career. He's got
Speaker 1: sixty nine targets, nice for eight hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 1: and five touchdowns. I mean, he's having a nice year.
Speaker 1: We got Bucky on the phone, yep, finish your we
Speaker 1: ask your question. Yeah, I think I was asking me
Speaker 1: about Kelvin Joseph and what your thoughts are in his
Speaker 1: first game and he played a lot of snaps. No.
Speaker 1: I thought like you did a solid job considering he
Speaker 1: hadn't played much at all this year. And I understand
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys hadn't played him because they were playing
Speaker 1: so well on defense. But see the young guy go
Speaker 1: out there like he's having and competed. It wasn't always pretty,
Speaker 1: but I think he certainly can get out there. But
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to play DV where you got
Speaker 1: to pass for us doing what they're doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've asked a lot of flaws because you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of time to really go at people. But
Speaker 1: I think for its first opportunity on the show, I
Speaker 1: think it was passing Buck. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: this while we were waiting to get you back. Christian
Speaker 1: Kirk is having a really nice year for them. I
Speaker 1: assume most of that's been in the slot. So what
Speaker 1: is the Hopkins injury done for him? I mean, is
Speaker 1: he playing out a position right now? Or how might
Speaker 1: the Cardinals try to get him going in this game? Ah,
Speaker 1: this is more balls than going to in his direction.
Speaker 1: Like you remove a guy who probably gets sentence all
Speaker 1: targets the game and DeAndre Hopkins, the ball has to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. If Kirk has benefited from that, He's
Speaker 1: a good player, a nice number three receiver. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call him like a compliment or a solid number two,
Speaker 1: but he's effective him if you don't keep your eyes
Speaker 1: on you don't pay attention to what he's doing and
Speaker 1: where he's at. Yeah, he can. He can rack up
Speaker 1: a hundred yard game. But the thing is he's not
Speaker 1: necessarily what I would call an impact players, just steady
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Speaker 1: Studios at the sto do it for the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: But it's okay. Vote didn't vote for him for the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl? Why didn't you vote on? No, I'm saying
Speaker 1: the fans, Well, I thought you didn't vote for him.
Speaker 1: I don't vote for the Pro Bowl. You don't get
Speaker 1: a ballot. All right, we all get a ballot. That's
Speaker 1: my point. But I did not do that. No, I
Speaker 1: sided not to vote for him. No, okay, he didn't
Speaker 1: play well when it was time to vote. Vote. That's
Speaker 1: that's what happened with him and Zeke and a lot
Speaker 1: of guys they when it was time to ask the ballot.
Speaker 1: I think I've said this before, like if if the
Speaker 1: president's gonna, you know, candidate's gonna say some really stupid things,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it on November the first. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people about to go to the stuff the ballot don't
Speaker 1: suck in November, you know, And that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately Dak and Zeke and those guys picked
Speaker 1: a bad month. The slack off boy Schultz had had
Speaker 1: a shot because I think CD I think we talked
Speaker 1: about it in late September. We were like, man, they
Speaker 1: got twelve people in the Pro Bowl. Everybody's gonna make
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. And then November came and I think
Speaker 1: there's I think there's fifteen guys on the list, like
Speaker 1: alternates and guys. But you know, now the alternates run
Speaker 1: pretty deep. Yeah they they It's not just first guy.
Speaker 1: They have like second, third alternative. Yeah yeah, I still think.
Speaker 1: I mean there's at least two or three more guys
Speaker 1: that I think have a chance to get on the roster. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nick would not be a very good campaign manager, Woody.
Speaker 1: I think that's patience isn't good enough. For him to
Speaker 1: be a campaign Okay, he would absolutely lose it. I
Speaker 1: thought that was good advice. Don't sucking crunch time. No,
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair, cross life, that's fair. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying Nick as a campaign manager, that's not a good idea.
Speaker 1: You got to be very even, I think to be
Speaker 1: a good campaign manager. That's not Nick. I'm not even keeled. No,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, you suck it. That's how you didn't win.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but like Nick would lose it
Speaker 1: with voters. He would lose it like that, Yeah, you would.
Speaker 1: You would have some moments because you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: ideas when somebody really gets on your nerves, like you
Speaker 1: can see it in your eyes. It's like, don't do it,
Speaker 1: don't do it. So he did his face, right, he
Speaker 1: did his face. He just can't stop himself, all right,
Speaker 1: final segment, shop myself, trust me, I stopped myself. Oh, terrifying, right,
Speaker 1: it really is. Um, Okay, So here's I want to
Speaker 1: talk about. I want to talk about these coordinators. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn Callamore both talked to the media. Um, there's
Speaker 1: been some talk around the NFL because the rules have
Speaker 1: changed with regards to UH coaches that are that will
Speaker 1: get opportunities to be able to interview for head coaching jobs,
Speaker 1: being able to do that over the last two weeks
Speaker 1: of the season actually starting now, um and you guys
Speaker 1: in the media asked them, asked dan Quinn specific dan
Speaker 1: Quinn specifically about this in Kellen Moore. What they have
Speaker 1: to say about the potential about potential head coaching opportunities
Speaker 1: that maybe out there for them, probably what you would expect,
Speaker 1: just that they're focused on what they're focused on right now.
Speaker 1: I thought they were both pretty honest about like, if
Speaker 1: the right situation comes along, that would be awesome, Like
Speaker 1: I'd be honored by the opportunity. But dan Quinn had
Speaker 1: this whole it was great. He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't take this job thinking about the job I
Speaker 1: was going to have next, Like I'm just having a
Speaker 1: blast here working with these guys were doing great stuff.
Speaker 1: And Kellen Moore, I mean, Kellen's been getting asked about
Speaker 1: this all year because like how hot they started and
Speaker 1: then they played Philly, who he interviewed with last year,
Speaker 1: so there's a connection there. A couple of college jobs
Speaker 1: have come open, which Kellen Moore was never going to
Speaker 1: coach TCU. I don't know why that was a thing,
Speaker 1: but so he's been he's been answering that all year,
Speaker 1: and so he said the same thing. He's like, that
Speaker 1: would be awesome when the time is right, but we're
Speaker 1: focused on what we got to do here. I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the rules change starting today, teams with
Speaker 1: head coaching vacancies can request to interview assistance, and I
Speaker 1: think that's great. Dan Quinn had a great he talked
Speaker 1: about that too, of just like that's awesome for coaches
Speaker 1: to kind of be able to get a jump start
Speaker 1: on that. And you're not just wait until because you
Speaker 1: know how this goes, where your focus, focus, focus, focused,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the season's over and
Speaker 1: it's almost like the rug got pulled out from under you.
Speaker 1: But there's such an unprecedented number of teams that are
Speaker 1: still in the playoff chase. There's no openings right now,
Speaker 1: like Jacksonville and Vegas are the only openings in the
Speaker 1: league right now, so there aren't that many teams that
Speaker 1: would even be able to ask to interview them. But
Speaker 1: I would imagine that'll change in the next maybe, if
Speaker 1: not in the next week, then then in the next
Speaker 1: two weeks for sure, like by the time the playoffs
Speaker 1: get here, it'll be a different story. And it's very
Speaker 1: interesting because one of the things I've heard just talk
Speaker 1: different people around football about those interviews. You know, I
Speaker 1: think all of us, as regular people, here an interview
Speaker 1: and you think, okay, just be prepared to go and
Speaker 1: answer some questions. And this is a different kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be asked questions about so, what how
Speaker 1: would you handle training camp, how would you schedule this,
Speaker 1: how would you set Like there are some really really
Speaker 1: in depth plans that these guys have to be prepared
Speaker 1: to talk about with these teams if they're asked to interview.
Speaker 1: And it helps for dan Quinn because he has the
Speaker 1: experience of being a head coach, so there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot of that that he can lean on. For somebody
Speaker 1: like Kellen Moore, I would assume putting together those kinds
Speaker 1: of plans requires a bit of preparation and getting ready
Speaker 1: for that to be able to go into that that
Speaker 1: interview and really be prepared to talk about it. You're right,
Speaker 1: I think Kellen Moore might have an easier road than
Speaker 1: dan Quinn when it comes to that interview process because
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, well, you've done it. But dan Quinn
Speaker 1: can't just say that all the time. He can't just
Speaker 1: say I did this, I did this, I did this. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got fired in the middle of the year. He
Speaker 1: also took a seam to a Super Bowl. I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand, and then if we really want to go there,
Speaker 1: we can go there. Yeah, but no, no, But but
Speaker 1: taking your team in Super Bowl, how many coaches have
Speaker 1: done I understand, But but I'm saying, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and dan Quinn is is great at figuring it out,
Speaker 1: like he's figuring out this defense. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: but the coaches that have done it before, especially him,
Speaker 1: he's got to have and I think he will. He's
Speaker 1: got to have different answers than just leaning on this
Speaker 1: is what I did in Atlanta. He's gonna say I've
Speaker 1: done that. And McCarthy is a good example of that
Speaker 1: because McCarthy was like, he's done it all in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: but he got fired and he was a good example
Speaker 1: of kind of showing and adapting to what has changed.
Speaker 1: Use your your history when it's there. Also, know that
Speaker 1: the NFL and things have changed and kind of learned
Speaker 1: how to adapt. Yes, I agree with that. I think
Speaker 1: the thing is it still makes it easier because he
Speaker 1: knows ven he has a platform for it, so he knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I got to have a plan for training
Speaker 1: gamp I know, I got to have a plan for OTAs.
Speaker 1: I know, I have to have a plan for this
Speaker 1: contingency and that contingency and that contingency. My plan might
Speaker 1: have changed a bit, I may have altered something because
Speaker 1: I've learned some things in the years since I've been
Speaker 1: a head coach. But it does give him a basis, right,
Speaker 1: It gives him a basis to kind of know what
Speaker 1: he's doing to be able to answer those questions. I
Speaker 1: think that makes a lot easier for for him than
Speaker 1: for Kellen. But here's my question for you guys, and
Speaker 1: I want to take this one at a time, for
Speaker 1: each one of these guys. Tell me what do you
Speaker 1: think is the best characteristic that would make each of
Speaker 1: these guys a good head coaching candidate. Let's start first
Speaker 1: with Dan Quinn. Oh wow, I mean just from and
Speaker 1: from your experiences with them this year, which is a
Speaker 1: shame because my just like everything else the last two years,
Speaker 1: like the amount of I'm very limited in how much
Speaker 1: I get to deal with dan Quinn all but all
Speaker 1: those interactions have been fantastic. He's great with the media.
Speaker 1: He's a very approachable guy. I think the thing I
Speaker 1: like about dan Quinn, I mean, regardless of how you
Speaker 1: feel about how it went in Atlanta, you can't deny
Speaker 1: that he's been there before, Like he's done it. He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of experience with that. But really what
Speaker 1: I like about him is probably the adaptive in the approachability,
Speaker 1: like the way like he's just adapted this defense and
Speaker 1: his weekly game plan to suit his player's strengths, and
Speaker 1: like to a man, they all adore him, and so
Speaker 1: knowing that he can, I would guess very easily win
Speaker 1: over the locker room. And then we'll also Taylor whatever
Speaker 1: he's doing to fit what he has the way that
Speaker 1: he has here. Probably that Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: as a coach, you've got to learn you got to
Speaker 1: find the balance of like this is what I do,
Speaker 1: and I do this well, and this is what's worked
Speaker 1: for me in the past, and this is my style
Speaker 1: and the style of players that I want. But also,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, you got to also, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't always get who you want. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to deal with who's there. And I'll say this in
Speaker 1: a bad way, but it's like he doesn't He's not
Speaker 1: going to go to the combine and pick out a
Speaker 1: guy like Jordan Lewis and say put him on my team.
Speaker 1: He comes here, Jordan Lewis is on the team, and
Speaker 1: he's played fairly well up and down since he's gotten here.
Speaker 1: He comes here and he says, all right, this guy's
Speaker 1: under contract. He's gonna be in the mix. He's a
Speaker 1: pretty good cover guy, and he's made Jordan Lewis into
Speaker 1: a really, really good player. And he said, Jordan's had
Speaker 1: a great year. And I think it's a good example
Speaker 1: of this isn't always my preference, but like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take what I take, you know. Not He also wants
Speaker 1: jay Ron Curse because he thinks he has a vision
Speaker 1: for him. But I think it's that mixture of this
Speaker 1: is the guys I want, but I'm also able to
Speaker 1: adapt and figure out other things as well. And and
Speaker 1: like like Dave also said, the players love him. Hey,
Speaker 1: he treats him like a man. You know, he's the
Speaker 1: smoothest cusser I've ever seen too. I mean, he will
Speaker 1: just he will just throw in a cussboard and you're
Speaker 1: like what he say that? Like, yeah he did, but
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, see that, and that's I
Speaker 1: love that in a weird way. I have that too.
Speaker 1: It just encapsulates what I like about dan Quinn is
Speaker 1: like I don't think, like we talked for so long
Speaker 1: about how like, well, the Jason Garrett you get at
Speaker 1: the podium is so much different than the guy that
Speaker 1: the players see or really think that's the case with
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. Like he just gets up there and he's
Speaker 1: like yeah, we like, you know, we really fed that up,
Speaker 1: and just what like he's not even approaching it like
Speaker 1: I am at the podium, I am doing my coach thing.
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, I'm Dan and this is what
Speaker 1: I think about what happened? Were doing guys? And I
Speaker 1: think that like the players, well he just lost in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Yeah, how are you doing? Not doing great? Exactly.
Speaker 1: I never understood how he would open up a press
Speaker 1: conference after a lost, tough loss. You just lost in
Speaker 1: overtime because you guy dropped the ball or whatever, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, I mean, how are we doing guys?
Speaker 1: He believed in consistent. He did there's like there's a
Speaker 1: place for that, but he believed in consistent. I wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to turn this into a Jason Garrett slander session.
Speaker 1: I just I think dan Quinn seems like he's just
Speaker 1: himself and players respond to that probably more than anything
Speaker 1: of just like, I just don't get the feeling that
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of politics with dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: that and and players appreciate that. Well that's the easy one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The greatest asset of Kellen Moore as a potential head
Speaker 1: coaching candidate. I think he is incredibly smart. I think
Speaker 1: he has a very great grasp on where this league
Speaker 1: is going in terms of trends and the way you
Speaker 1: call and establish an offense. And he's I know, like
Speaker 1: we kind of joke that he's kind of nerdy or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like he's a he's a young guy. I think
Speaker 1: he relates to players, and his pro career wasn't anything
Speaker 1: that anybody's going to remember, but like, I think he
Speaker 1: has played football at a high level. I think that
Speaker 1: I think he's got a certain amount of cachet there
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, like you look at what this
Speaker 1: guy did in college and what he's done as a
Speaker 1: coach to this point. I think it's easy for him
Speaker 1: to win people's trust that he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: When when it comes to that, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough situation for him, you know, if he if
Speaker 1: he goes to another team, and you know, it depends
Speaker 1: on depending on what they have on offense. You know,
Speaker 1: do they have some pieces it's not to be like this,
Speaker 1: and if they had pieces like this, then the coach
Speaker 1: previously probably wouldn't have been fired. He's in a unique
Speaker 1: spot too, because he was the He was on the
Speaker 1: team as a quarterback with Dak when Dak was drafted,
Speaker 1: so they have a different relationship that way. And then
Speaker 1: he helped him a lot. You know, he helped him
Speaker 1: more than the starter did ever. Everyone knows that. And
Speaker 1: then and then then he becomes his quarterback coach and
Speaker 1: now the offensive coordinator, so they've been able to have
Speaker 1: a relationship that will be unlike anything else he's done before.
Speaker 1: I think he's relatable. I think he could do it,
Speaker 1: and he's very very smart, but it will be a
Speaker 1: challenge because this has kind of been molded into this
Speaker 1: spot of offensive coordinator and that won't be the case
Speaker 1: if you go somewhere else. Yeah, I do. When I
Speaker 1: think about like an opportunity for Kellen, I would I
Speaker 1: just leaned toward thinking like if he was going to
Speaker 1: go somewhere that was about to draft a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: he's going to have the chance to like do that
Speaker 1: all over again, as opposed to going somewhere with like
Speaker 1: an established and not saying that he couldn't do that,
Speaker 1: but maybe it would be easier for him to do
Speaker 1: it organically the way you can attack. Look at the
Speaker 1: two spots that are open. One of them is that way.
Speaker 1: It's got a quarterback. Sure, you know, I would be
Speaker 1: really excited to see Kellen Morgan a chance to coach
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. That would be fun. I actually think that
Speaker 1: that's a situation that looks like it would be a
Speaker 1: good situation for somebody like him, if if the owner
Speaker 1: were the type of guy that's willing to give him
Speaker 1: a long runway, because that's not a quick rebuild. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Jacksonville is one of those
Speaker 1: places that you're going to rebuild. They're keeping their GM,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's a great idea, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, that gives me pause. And then the
Speaker 1: other job that's open is a little more dyssunctional over
Speaker 1: there with the Raiders. Yeah, yeah, that's a hard that's
Speaker 1: gonna be. I don't care who you are, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a hard city to coach in, just because
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of distraction there there. That's
Speaker 1: you know, every city has its distractions, but I think
Speaker 1: that city has a lot of distractions, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a challenge. I'm glad. And just to circle back
Speaker 1: on that that, like, I think that an easy thing
Speaker 1: to knock Kellen for, and I agree to a point,
Speaker 1: is like it it's hard for me to imagine him
Speaker 1: leading a locker room of like seventy players and thirty
Speaker 1: other coaches and all the personalities and the egos that
Speaker 1: go into that. But then at the same time, like
Speaker 1: look around in the league, Zach Taylor, Matt Lafleur. Even
Speaker 1: I know it sounds silly now, but like Sean McVay
Speaker 1: had no like NFL cachet when he got the Rams job,
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's not as big of
Speaker 1: an obstacle as I think a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to make it out to be. Like Kellen fits right
Speaker 1: in the mold of a lot of these successful hires
Speaker 1: over the last year. But from a personality standpoint, that's
Speaker 1: where I wondered, I haven't spent enough time around I
Speaker 1: think you have to have a very commanding presence if
Speaker 1: you're going to be that guy. I think McVeigh he commands,
Speaker 1: Like you look at the way he kind of presents himself.
Speaker 1: He commands a certain and I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's probably something Kellen would have to work on
Speaker 1: as a head coach. But I do know he's got
Speaker 1: far more personality than he likes to show, so I
Speaker 1: would be it would be interesting to see what that
Speaker 1: looked like. And another thing too, is like I think
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore understands the situation he's in right now, Like
Speaker 1: he's got a very visible, high profile head coach with
Speaker 1: an ego of his own, who Mike McCarthy I think,
Speaker 1: didn't mind having Kellen Moore here, but he's still what
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy didn't hand pick him, so he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not the coaches guy I'm getting a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for this offense, Like, I just need to stay
Speaker 1: in my lane and not be a thorn in Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's side. So I wonder if he got into his
Speaker 1: own situation where he was calling the shots. I wonder
Speaker 1: what that would look like. It's it's hard to imagine, honestly,
Speaker 1: because Kellen's been here since twenty fifteen, and he's been
Speaker 1: so low key the entire time. Like I, it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine in any other way. But which would be
Speaker 1: harder to replace? For Dallas dan Quinn? They asked, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they asked me this on the radio today and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to answer it, and I like I leaned
Speaker 1: toward I put so much value on the quarterback play caller.
Speaker 1: You want those two guys in sync. You want the
Speaker 1: people in charge of your offense, like in lock step.
Speaker 1: But there's so much talent on this offense that I
Speaker 1: think it sells itself. And the ability to work with
Speaker 1: a Dak Prescott, I think you could get yourself a
Speaker 1: hell of a pool of candidates if you did have
Speaker 1: to replace Kellen. Just haven't seen anything like what dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's done with this defense in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest key to that is you gotta
Speaker 1: know how to use Michael Parsons. For Michael Parsons to
Speaker 1: be the Michael Parsons that we've seen this year, it
Speaker 1: would have been very comfortable for a lot of defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators to just keep him at linebacker, and he would
Speaker 1: have been a guy that was at the top of
Speaker 1: the league in tackles. He would have made some splash
Speaker 1: plays sideline. The sideline, you may have seen some stuff
Speaker 1: in coverage. You probably wouldn't have seen him with his
Speaker 1: hand on the ground rushing the passer. And so that's
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I want to defensive coordinate whoever he is.
Speaker 1: If Dan Quinn leaves, I need somebody that knows how
Speaker 1: to use a rare talent like Mica in all those
Speaker 1: different ways and give him those opportunities rather than just
Speaker 1: kind of putting him in a box and asking him
Speaker 1: to do that great because he could do it. I
Speaker 1: just think you're not gonna get the most out of him.
Speaker 1: I would, and I think the world of Kellen. I'm
Speaker 1: the whole through this whole tough six weeks or so, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't put too much of that on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody had a hand in it, but I
Speaker 1: just I don't think he just lost the plot. I
Speaker 1: think he's a really good coach. I'd be sad if
Speaker 1: he left. But if you're making me say one, I'd say, Dan,
Speaker 1: all right, that's a rap. We'll be back tomorrow. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk tomorrow about the off the Arizona defense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Still then for Nick Keeping. Dave Helm
Speaker 1: and I'm Derek Eagleton has been The Break Live on
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