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Um. 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: He has updated his big board on ESPN dot com. 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: I thought we'd go over that see who's moving up, 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: who's moving down. You know, some of that's based on 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: what's happened at the Pro Days. Some of that's based 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: on what he's hearing. So let's take a look and 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: see what he has. Who he is moving up, who 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: he is moving down here? Uh, he has Aidan Hutchinson 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: number one. That's where he was at previously. Um, is 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: that starting to get a little chalky that that Hutchinson 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be the number one pick? I think, Um, 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: part of me doesn't love that. I mean, like I 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I think Walker is staining steam. You know, the position 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: coaches might say I would rather shape Walker than I 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: would Hutchinson. But I absolutely think there's a chance Hutchinson's 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: the first pick overall. Hutchinson in this drat he's like 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: a clean double yeah, very much off defence that Okay, 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: he's maybe he won't ever be a star star, but 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a pretty good player and probably make 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: some Pro Bowls for you in his career. And with 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Jacksonville owning that that spot, I think his leadership, you know, 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: his work ethic is something they really need to invest into. Yeah, no, 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: no doubt. I think they need guys that are are 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: football junkies, and he is definitely that changes the culture 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, at two he has at Kawana. 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: Uh he was too before. Um he's still too. I 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: I worry just a little bit about him. You know, 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: if he turns out to be just a guard, then 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: he can't take him with two. You have to be 46 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: you have to be really convinced that a guy who 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: six four can be can play left tackle. But he's 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: fun to watch. I think he can. I think he 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: can't too. But and the fact that fallback plan will 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: be a great guard, that's great. I mean that is 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's something in his favor. I don't 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: know that he'd be Quentin Nell, but I think he'd 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: be a really really good guard that has value. But 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: take an overall pick most years, that's not a top 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: three or four pick, you know, right, A six four 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: tackle at three he has Evan Neil. Previously he had 57 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Neil at four. Ok, he's actually moved up a little bit, 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: and I know he's three here and Evan Neil's at 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: the top of the draft board for forever. I'm not 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: sure what we don't like about him, though, I mean, 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: he could play four positions while he learned. I don't 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: know if I don't know if he can play left 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: tackle NFL level. I think he might just be a 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: right tackle. He might be a really good right tackle, 65 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: like the best right tackle in the league in two years, 66 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, along those lines. But I you know, I 67 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: don't know if I think at left tackle he would 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: be more like um Orlando Brown Orlando Brown type, which 69 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: is fine, but it's not great. It's not great. It's 70 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: not Ogden, you know, right right. I mean, I don't 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: know that he's special, but I think he's about as 72 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: safe as they come to. He's a clean double as well, 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys in the top ten 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: are the doubles. They are. That's at the difference this year. Yeah, 75 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: uh at four he has Sauce Gardner. Previously he had 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: him at eight. I think I think Gardner, the more 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: I've watched of him, he might be the best player 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, it's hard not to like him. 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what traits does he not have? I mean 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: he's not six one, he's six three. I mean he's 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: and he's fast, and he's long arms and you know, 82 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: didn't allow me to tape, didn't allow a touchdown in 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: his tire and entire college career. Like there's a lot 84 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean if he went number one the Jacksonville I 85 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't flinch. That's funny you said that because I was 86 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: about to ask you, like, would would Gardner be a 87 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: better pick for them than Hodginson? He might be, I 88 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: mean he might be. I mean they have an O. K. 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: D line by their crappy standards, you know, And he's 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: another guy that I think is is a kind of 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: h He's kind of that that that change, that game changer, 92 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: locker room changer. Yeah, I think so too. I also 93 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: think that I think it's now a hundred percent clear 94 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: that he's the top corner off the board. Yeah. Yeah, man, 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Yeah. I mean, it's just there's 96 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: just nothing they're not to like, and we're talking about 97 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: a guy who could be in the league that they're 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: that they're probably if we went down through the list 99 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: true number one cornerbacks, there's probably like five of them 100 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: in the Thing about that position is the ones that 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: we say this year two years so now probably won't 102 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: be you know, right, there's not a lot of staying 103 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: power amongst quote great corners in the league. I mean, 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Revus was, I think Jaitlyn Ramsey is, but you know. 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of comes and goes like, yeah, 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean I liked like Jaire Alexander, but he was 107 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: hurt last year, so what is he? Right? Right? Right? 108 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey was great two years ago and Tart last year, 109 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of those types real quick. With Gardner. 110 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if you pulled thirty two GMS and said 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: you can have any corner on the planet, let's just 112 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: have a corner only draft. I think people would say, okay, 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: I'll think Ramsey one. Am I thinking about Gardner too, 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, considering age, cost, all those things. I think 115 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: he's definitely in the top five. Yeah, right, right right? 116 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean is he more valuable than Jerry Alexander? It 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: might be yeah, yeah, at fives Kyle Hamilton's that's down 118 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: from three. I don't have a problem with it. The 119 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: forty times don't bother me either. I mean, I thought 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: he was the best player in the draft, and I 121 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: think I'd probably stick with that. He's a really good 122 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: football player. He didn't run super well. But you have 123 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: to remember too, he's not a six foot safety. He's 124 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: a six four safety, right kind of the gardnern I 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: mean that that actually being a six force safety actually 126 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: probably means you know, if you measure him against a 127 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: guy who's five eleven at safety and that guy runs 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: a four four five, his four five five nine is 129 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: really the same because of the ground, you know, the 130 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: area that he covers, because of his size and his 131 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: length in his arm length, and throwing the ball over 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: top of that guy is gonna be an issue. Yeah, 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: like fitting it into tight spots against him because of 134 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: his because of his size, throwing a deep ball down 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the sideline. Maybe his feet don't move quite as fast 136 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: as the five eleven guy he described, but the tip 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: of his finger gets there at the same time, right, Yeah, 138 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Um, it's six, he is. 139 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I can't take it first overall though, No, no, you know, uh, 140 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: it's sixty. Has came on Thibodeau. I mean, I get it. 141 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I think this is where the range of the guys, well, 142 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: I think it the top four guys. I think any 143 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of those guys should go number one overall. And I 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn have can, I wouldn't blink my blinking. 145 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't think Hamilton can. I don't think Tibodeau can. Agreed, 146 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point, Tim know, just find all the 147 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: second hand information we get you and I might sit 148 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: down with them and have a dinner with them and 149 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: be like, that's a weird dude. Yeah, he's in my 150 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: top ten. Sorry, I don't know if and I mentioned 151 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: that when we did the triple take the first time through, like, 152 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that football is the most important thing 153 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: in his life. No, and a lot of Hall of 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: famers it's not the most important thing in their life, 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: but it better be pretty damn important. Yeah. Absolutely, kind 156 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: of a big deal. Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, okay, 157 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: it's so big as when it starts to get a 158 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: little fog here. It's seventy is Garrett Wilson Previously he 159 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: was nine. I don't know the Wilson's my favorite receiver, 160 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: even with injury. I think i'd rather have Jamison Williams. 161 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: I like Wilson a lot. Oh yeah, I understand that. 162 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: And I've said all along that Williams was clean right now, 163 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: if he was healthy, he's easily the number one receiver. 164 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: But you can you can't take him in the top ten. 165 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't like to take Wilson in top ten. Like 166 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: I like Wilson, but like he would easily be my 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: fourth receiver compared to last year's crop. Like it's not 168 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: his fault. I just don't know that there's whoever the 169 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: number whoever wide receiver one in this classes isn't a 170 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: typical wide receiver one to me. Yeah, you know, and 171 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: not that Wilson didn't have this advantage, but Ohio State's 172 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks had a lot of time to throw. And you know, 173 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: I like Wilson a lot. I just don't know that 174 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: I like him more than every player in this draft. 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: But six, Yeah, and I agree. At eight he has 176 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Drake London. That's down a spot. We talked about him 177 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot last week. I mean, I feel like I'm 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: biased against him because he hasn't done much or you know, 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: I just haven't seen as much from him lately. But 180 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: there's a lot of uzz. He averaged last year he 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: played eight games and then he had the ankle injury. 182 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: He averaged eleven catches for hundred thirty six yards per 183 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: game last year averaged. I mean he blocks oh the 184 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: person the football personalities there, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's 185 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: a bigger verse. He might be a bigger version, better 186 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: version of Juju that's safe and I think that's a 187 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: very good comparison. I just think the separators do better 188 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: at the at the early in their career than the 189 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: contested ball guys. Well, I think he's a pretty good 190 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: route runner. Um he comes out of his breaks better 191 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: than a big six five type of guy usually. Yeah. Yeah, 192 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not as concerned about that. I 193 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: like him Um at nine he has Stingley down from five. Okay, 194 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't know where i'd put him out. We'll see 195 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: Stingley run this week and everything. I think that's I 196 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: think Stingley and London are kind of like out of sight, 197 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: out of mind because they haven't RHO days yet and 198 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: they didn't work out at the Combine because of injuries. 199 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: I think if both of those you know, if if 200 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: Drake goes out and runs a four, five, five forty 201 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: or something like that, he's easily in this conversation feast 202 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: four or six five. Now now we'ds a different conversation 203 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: that maybe the Steelers take him at twenty, you know, 204 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: as opposed to will never get pass the Jets. You know, 205 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: Stingley runs sub four or five. He's yeah, and I 206 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: think he will. I think he'll be sub four or 207 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: four or five. I mean, is there a world where 208 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: he competes with Sauce to go number one? Probably not 209 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: at this point, just because the tape isn't there lately. Yeah. Yeah, 210 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: A Tenny has Trayvon Walker. That's where you had him before. 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: That's holding steady. I would say it's about the lowest 212 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: I have anyone see him, right though. Yeah, now I 213 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: understand and I get it. You look at Trayvon Walker 214 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and you say everything, the intangibles, the athleticism is all there. 215 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't have outstanding production. No, it's sort 216 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: of oh Way esque. But he's freakyear and he's bigger, 217 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: and and he also played on a much better defense 218 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: where it's a race the quarterback and who's gonna get 219 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: there first. There's some of that too, But he kills 220 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the run, you know. Yeah, he ran a four or 221 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: five at two sixty nine or whatever it was at 222 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the Combat to seventy two at the Commo. He's freaky 223 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: and he has thirty arms. Yeah, the teams that have 224 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: the coaches with the most influence are going to have 225 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: him as a top three player. Yeah. At eleven is 226 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson. That's up two spots. Um, it's about where 227 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: he goes. Like when he was going into the Senior Bowl. 228 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Of course I knew who he was, but I thought 229 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: he was overall. Yeah. Now I don't think he gets 230 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: out of the top. He just had a monster Senior Bowl. Yeah, 231 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: twelve is Charles Cross. That's up two spots. I mean, 232 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: I guess that's fine. I mean he's a very talented, 233 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: prototypical left tackle type that. Um, it's gonna have to 234 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: learn the run blockings stuff? What's that? What's the value 235 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: of that in today's NFL? But's it's twenty one year 236 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: old is soon to be I don't even think he's 237 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: turned twenty one yet. As soon to be twenty one 238 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: year old offensive tackle with good feet and size, right, 239 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean there, that's the top fifteen pick every year. Yeah. 240 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: How about this next one? I just scrolled down and went, whoa, 241 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: we just brought him up. I didn't know this was coming. 242 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Previously unranked Dexton Hill. Yeah, I mean sub four or 243 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: four forty, does everything well, can play the nickel for you. Uh, 244 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: I mean he could be a single high he can 245 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, Kelsey detaches and goes outside the numbers as 246 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: the one in a three by one set, Daxton Hill 247 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: goes with them, you know, like there's value that I'm 248 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really warming up to that as the Steeler's 249 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: first round draft pick. Me too. You know, if if 250 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: somebody told me right like, as we sit here on 251 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: April four, you can have Dax Hill at twenty, like, 252 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: I might say, there's sure that I would trade it 253 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: right the second. But you and I were talking off 254 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: the air at one point, we're gonna put our top 255 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: twenty together. I bet he's gonna be in mind. He's 256 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: gonna be in the top twenty somewhere. Yeah, yeah, right. 257 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: I mean some of that because they don't need an 258 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: edge rusher, like I'm taking Baxton Hell over Jamaine Johnson. 259 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: All that's probably a higher grade on Johnathan. So that's 260 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, I understand that, But I 261 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: don't know that I could come up with nineteen players 262 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: I like better to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. Absolutely. I 263 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: think the fit is outstanding, you know, he I think 264 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: that fit he works really well. Uh if fourteen up 265 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: a spot from fifteen, Crystal love, okay, sours the wrong word. 266 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm just not quite as high on the Ohio state receivers. 267 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: As I was a month ago. I recognize they're really 268 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: good players. Yeah, I just think it's a little easier 269 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: to succeed there. And I know Bama had the same issues, 270 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: but Georgia, Yeah, I know, but the corners in the 271 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: South are a lot different than Minnesota's corners. Yeah. Uh 272 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: at fifteen, uh Is McDuffie, that's down three spots. I 273 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: think he's to have him higher. I think he's a 274 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: really cleans prospect. I mean, you know there's a lot 275 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: there that to like, um, three year starters, played inside, 276 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: played outside, productive tackles, the whole deal. I mean, he'll 277 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: be in my Steeler talked one easily. It might end 278 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: up being ten. You know, it's all said, right, Um, 279 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: it's sixteen is Willis. That's that's up two spots. I 280 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: get it. I mean it's seventeen. Let's kind of talk 281 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: about these two together. Seventeen. Picket, he's up two spots 282 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: from seven from nineteen. So I don't know if we've 283 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: evaluated these guys lately, But of course, digging in and 284 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: reading more people's stuff, and one thing about Picket that 285 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: really bothers me is when he gets pressure that he's 286 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: not suspecting, like he is a very good paint by 287 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: numbers quarterback. I know this corner is coming off the edge. 288 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to adjust accordingly. Oh he didn't come, but 289 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: this other guy did. It's bad. You know that the 290 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: second reaction stuff isn't so good. And he's played a 291 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: lot of football. I think he should be a little 292 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: more past that. Um. And another note about willis that 293 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: is concerning. But he's short. And when you watch Liberty film, 294 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: they don't throw the ball between the numbers at all, 295 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and everything's out, everything's outside down the field right right right. 296 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: It's almost the exact opposite of Lamar Jackson, right right right. 297 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and is that because they don't have to 298 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's better than everybody else, or he doesn't 299 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: see the middle field that well, I don't know the 300 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: answer to that. But they don't ever throw the ball 301 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: in the middle field. Yeah, it's eighteen is Tyler linderbaumb 302 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: that's down from eleven. That's pretty pretty good drop for 303 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: linder bomb. Yeah. I mean, I think he's gonna be 304 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl center. But it's it's similar to the 305 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's argument of what's that what's that worth? Where 306 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: would I put him on my big board? Probably right 307 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: around here. And he has to he has to go 308 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the right scheme. Yeah, he has to go to the 309 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: right scheme. And the arm length is a problem. Yeah. 310 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: At nineteen is Trevor Penning. That's down two spots. I 311 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: think that's about right. I mean, Penny will be on 312 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: my list of twenty Steeler potential draft picks. Um At 313 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: twenty is Jamison Williams. That's up four spots from his 314 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: previous ranking. I like him more and more every day. Yeah, 315 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: good player, Yeah, tough. Twenty one is John Dotson. That's 316 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: down from one spot from twenty. Didn't run great, but 317 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: I think he's being slept on a little. If a 318 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: possible first rounder could be slept on. Yeah, I mean 319 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: he's very much He's very much like Deannte Johnson. Yeah. Uh. 320 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to say he's better than 321 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: than Johnson. He isn't. Johnson's got a great, you know, 322 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: body of work. But I think he could be every 323 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: bit as good in a year or two. Yeah. And 324 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: that's that's a hundred catch guy for years. You know, 325 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: that's right, right, right, right right? Twenty two is Devin Lloyd. 326 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: That's down from sixteen. That's a pretty far drop for him. 327 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: He didn't run super well, um, you know, but you 328 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: watch him and he's he does everything. Yeah, he's quality player. 329 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: Twenty three is Davonte Wyatt holding steady. We haven't mentioned 330 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis yet. No good point. But why it to 331 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: me is I don't know if he's for the Steelers, 332 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of teams in that neighborhood, Arizona, Dallas. 333 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I would think he's very attractive to Yeah, 334 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: it's yeah. Twenty four is Kenyan Green. I don't know 335 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: what he did to move up. Maybe he's just hearing 336 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: more and more the people like him. Yeah. Um. Twenty 337 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: five is David A. Jabbo holding steady. I don't know 338 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: how you hold him in steady. Yeah, I don't know 339 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: where he goes. That's that's a tough one. He's not 340 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: gonna miss the entire season, right, but he was already 341 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: a guy who was gonna be a bit of a project, 342 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of like Bud Dupree. Yeah, good point, very much, 343 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of similar style of player, where he just hasn't 344 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: played the position all that much. He's a sea ball 345 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: get get ball kind of guy. The traits are, you know, 346 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: we're in a four or five two at two fifty fifty. 347 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys usually go pretty early and this 348 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of I'm glad you brought a bud Duprex. The 349 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: fifth year option is really important for these guys, you know, 350 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: that are developmental or raw, especially when you compound the injury. 351 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you just take him in the first round and say, 352 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: I'll get four really good years out of this guy. 353 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: And if he goes in this range, he's going to 354 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: a playoff team that could maybe a four. Right, let 355 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: him sit and learn a year. Kansas City get to 356 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs with without him, and maybe he doesn't help 357 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: at all this year, But then he got a top 358 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: ten player for four years, you know, which is nice. Yeah, 359 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: that's where Mel cuts it off. That's why you know, 360 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: when you see some of these guys, he only does 361 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: the top twenty five. So the couple of guys that 362 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: weren't rated were probably you know, or while they were 363 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: below that um. But just it's interesting there if you 364 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: look at his rankings for the wide receivers, Okay, he's 365 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of guys ranked at ten so 366 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: he's got Wow, he does, he's got. He's got Garrett Wilson, 367 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: Drake London, Christal love A, Jamison Williams, Johan Dotson, Trail 368 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: and Burkes now comes in at six, sky More at seven, 369 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: Christian Watson at eight, Alec Pierce at nine, Calvin Austin 370 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: then at ten, John Machi, George Pickens, Won Del Robinson, 371 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: Vellis Jones, Khalil Shakier, and Isaiah Weston from Northern Iowa. 372 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: That's a new name. Who I mean, that's fifteen sixteen, 373 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: it's more than that. That's eighteen guys. I think seventeen guys. 374 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't know much about Western and I think that's 375 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: my project right now is Yeah, think into that. Jones 376 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: is the guy on that list and was going to 377 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: get one of these guys. Yeah, yeah, he's he'll be 378 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: twenty five before the season starts. I'm not I'm not 379 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: all that excited about that. If you get George, like 380 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: if they if you I told you right now, Matt, 381 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: you can have George Pickens at fifty two, YEP, I 382 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: would say that. Yeah, that's a definite yes for me. 383 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: What would also qualify there? No, But I wouldn't hesitate 384 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: if that's the pick at the time, you know what 385 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: I mean, like to make that trade right the second. 386 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it thinking I might get pierced for 387 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: pickens Um Shakir would be right there with Matchi as well. 388 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: You know that that's a splendid pick. I don't know 389 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: that I would trade right the second though. I don't 390 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: think sky More Christian Moore doesn't get there. Yeah, I 391 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: don't think Watson does either. Yeah. I think Watchton might 392 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: be the Packers second first round pick. Yeah, I think 393 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: I think More could sneak his way into the end 394 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: of the first round two or the Lions second pick 395 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: in the second round, or you know how they passed 396 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: on him. That was our That was one of our 397 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: premium pixel or one of our premium spots. Looking at 398 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: the safeties, that was another one. He's got a couple 399 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: of guys listed there to it. So he's got Kyle Hamilton, 400 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: Dax Hill, Lewis Seene, Quum Brisker, Jalen Petra, j T Woods, 401 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Nick Cross, Vernon McKinley out of Oregon, Kirby Joseph from Illinois, 402 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: Percy Butler from Louisiana Lafayette, and then Brian Cook from Cincinnati. 403 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: That's a kind of group. That's a pretty good group. 404 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't talk about J. T. Woods or 405 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph a Ton. J T. Woods was my third 406 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: round pick in my mark over the weekend, very nice 407 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: and started to learn more about McKinley from Oregon. Um, 408 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: it's shocking to me. He has book all the way 409 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: down to ten. B you know. I mean I think 410 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: he's he's a good player. I had him at five 411 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: on our Triple Take rankings. Yeah, he's a big, thumping 412 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: safety that six two can cover and can cover tight end. 413 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: So I very much believe that we just did the 414 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: receiver list and we just did a safety list. The 415 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: Steelers will have a player from both those lists. No, 416 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: I agree. Um, you know, if you can go on 417 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: the list, I don't want if if uh, let's say Petrie, 418 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: is it fifty, I can give I can give you 419 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: fifty two right now for Petree, Yes, But I have 420 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: one little caveat with that in that I don't know 421 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: that he's a traditional strong safety. I don't know that 422 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: he is either. But that's my only reservation with it. Again, Yeah, 423 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: those are they they might they might be cornerbacks in 424 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: the NFL, right, they had that kind of skill set. Yeah, 425 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: they could do a lot, And I guess the Steelers 426 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: could say, well, if we still need that true strong safety, 427 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: we'll call Harrison or whoever. We'll find a guy that 428 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: if they can line up there on you know, on 429 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: first and ten. But I would take Petree and fifth. 430 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: I'll trade your fifty two for Petrie. Yeah, it probably 431 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: would be out of the corner market a little bit 432 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: if I knew that. Yeah, well, no for sure, because 433 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: they're gonna be your slot right right, right, So anyways, 434 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for the segment. 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