WEBVTT - #473 Packers Unscripted: Back from the bye 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:19.919 Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.800 I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.800 colleague West Hotgwitz. We're coming to here from our studios 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.120 at Lambolefield and West we are back from the bye weekend, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.560 So welcome back to the office. My friend, I went 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.120 by quick, it did? It went by went by awfully. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.080 So I'm sitting on my coach on Sunday evening. We're 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.559 taping this on Monday morning, and I'm just sitting there. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.080 I'm laying there, I'm watching television and I'm just like, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:46.959 where has the past week gone? Now that is insider inbox, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.960 but the rest of it, and I'm like, it just 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.919 blew by? And uh, here we are in a week 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.320 twelve already, How quickly the NFL season goes by? And 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.400 unfortunately the bye week even quicker. Yeah, well, we need 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.200 to discuss what happened been in the NFL while the 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.080 Packers were not playing, because there were a couple of 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.640 moments on Sunday, the way things were unfolding, it was 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.880 looking like Green Bay was going to get some much 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.759 desired results with the Broncos ahead of the Vikings twenty 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.760 to nothing at halftime. The Arizona Cardinals were leading the 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.080 San Francisco forty Niners sixteen to nothing. In the second quarter, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.280 I believe it was before the forty Niners got on 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.279 the board. Both of those the home teams, the better 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.119 teams came back and took care of business and got 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.720 the victories. But but a lot of drama there that 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.040 that certainly had an opportunity to go Green Bay's way. Well, 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.679 the forty Niners game specifically is one we have to 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.360 talk about because a week ago I was sitting here 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.360 telling you, you know, they're fundamental, they do everything right, 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.720 they're good running the football, and then here's this random 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:55.080 occurrence where the past heavy aerial offense air raid that 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.320 Arizona employees, Well, Kyler Murray has a hundred fifty passing yards. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.760 Meanwhile they're running game dominates San Francisco, which I think 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.359 might have had what forty rushing yards and Jimmy Garoppolo 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.880 throws for four four. I mean, just again, it seems 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.079 like it's becoming a recurring theme on the show this year, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.440 But like every single week is just a reminder how 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.520 everything can change. And you got to give the San 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.080 Francisco forty nine is credit because they came off of 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.040 a demoralizing situation a week ago. And I said to 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.280 you before we went on hiatus last week, the Arizona 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.840 Cardinals cannot be taken lightly. They played him tough the 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.280 first time, they played him tough again. But San Francisco, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.040 as good teams do, as you said, found a way 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:38.760 to get that win in the second half. Yeah, I 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.799 as I said it insider inbox this morning in the column, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.720 I give the San Francisco forty and there's a lot 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.080 of credit for pulling that out because they were on 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.440 a short week, having played an overtime game over that 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:54.200 went the full overtime the whole ten minutes, a frustrating loss, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.160 their first loss of the season. They had to bounce back. Now. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.760 They didn't have travel involved, which helped them because they 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.480 around this stretch of home games right now. But on 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.959 a short week, you know a pesky improving division rival 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.600 in the Arizona Cardinals coming in a team that had 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.240 already played them tough as you mentioned the first time 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.600 they met, and the forty niners found uh, they found 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.440 a way to get it done. And then the Vegas 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.600 thing kind of all blew up with the last play 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:26.280 of the game. But that's a discussion, discussion for another day. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.600 But um, but no, you're right, and and the forty 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.560 Niners there could be for them. And this is what 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.600 will be interesting now leading into the game with the 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.720 Packers this week, because you said it. The forty Niners 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.920 did not follow they're tried and true formula what they 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.800 did for the first two months of the season to 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.440 win this game. They couldn't run the ball. They turned 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.840 they turned the game over to Garoppolo and uh and 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:53.400 he passed past them. With the statistics, the numbers he 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.240 put up to a to a big victory to keep 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.080 them on top of the NFC at nine and on 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.000 where you have the Packers, the Seahawks, the Saints are 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.280 all eaten two, and now you have the Vikings at 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.640 eight and three. Well, this is a great performance by 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.240 Jimmy Garoppolo for that reason, because I think so many 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.520 times people are like, Okay, how good is Jimmy Garoppolo, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.400 And he's not without fault. I mean, he's gonna end 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.360 up turning over the football, you know, passing wise interceptions 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.960 probably over a dozen times this season is what he's 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.400 on pace for but yet he finds a way to win. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.120 And this was a game where the passing game needed 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.760 to carry them. Oh and then, by the way, you 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.880 don't have George Kittle. Emmanuel Sanders plays, but he's dealing 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.520 with the rib injury, so Deebo Samuel becomes a big 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.320 part of this offense. Um you see differently, you know, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.760 Kyle use Check. This was a reminder of what that 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.560 position can do, if you know, in terms of being 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.920 able to move the chains. In this game, seven catches 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.080 for sixty three yards. They didn't have Matt Brita as well, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.160 So just for them to find a way. That's great 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.920 for them to be sitting where they are number one 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.480 seed right now in the NFC playoff chase. But I 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.960 think this was a reminder for the second straight week, Mike, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:00.640 and again we're gonna be a the you know, go 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.600 play this thing out on Sunday night. But forty Niners 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.280 are not without fault, They're not infallible. The Packers have 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.159 a realistic chance of going in there. I think they're 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.960 gonna end up being a couple of point underdogs right 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.120 now is the way it's looking. But a lot of 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.919 that is gonna be the home field advantage. Yeah, no 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.760 question about it. And certainly there there are some things 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.800 that have been put on film the last couple of 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 weeks by the Seattle Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals that 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.600 that show a little bit of vulnerability with the forty Niners, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.920 and that's to be expected. As we talked about, it's 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.520 a sixteen game season. Yes, the Niners were eight no 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.760 at the halfway point. They get all the credit in 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.280 the world for doing that. But sixteen games is a 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.960 long season and eventually they're gonna be some some chinks 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.120 in the armor, you know, some cracks in the foundation 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.520 and uh, and good teams are going to have an 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.120 opportunity to take advantage of that. The Seahawks did and 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.240 got a big victory on the road. The Cardinals almost did, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.159 couldn't quite hold on. The forty Inners kept coming back 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.520 there down sixteen nothing, then they were trailing again in 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.960 the fourth quarter. They came back a couple of times 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.320 in order to get that. I do want to talk also, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.440 though about the Minnesota Vikings down twenty to nothing to 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.479 the Denver Broncos. This was the game I probably watched. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.360 I spent more time watching this one than any other 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.440 um on Sunday. And I'll say this, I'll just repeat 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.159 what I said in Insider Inbox. When the Broncos blew 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.479 the chance at the end of the first half to 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.719 add to the twenty to nothing lead, when Brandon and 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.000 Allen tried to force a pass, you know, to the 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.360 goal line over the middle, it got picked off. They 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.440 were easily going to add another field goal and at 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.880 least get to twenty three to nothing, and that didn't happen. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.360 And then when when Denver's defense, which had played such 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.760 great football in the first stef just allowed the Vikings 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.080 to march right down the field and score to open 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.720 the second half, it just felt to me like the 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.520 outcome was inevitable that Minnesota was going to come back 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.200 and win this game, and they did. Well. Here's the thing. 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.200 I'm sure there's a lot of Minnesota Vikings fans that 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.880 watch a show called Packers Unscripted, but my message to 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.920 all of them would be, this is why you need 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.400 to at least appreciate Kirk Cousins and why they made 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.800 the investment that they did. I get it. He's not 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.760 the second coming of Joe Montana. Nobody really is right, 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.360 But they were chasing a solution at quarterback. They wanted 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.360 a firm foundation at quarterback like they're not. Kirk Cousins 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.400 gives you that in the league where it's very difficult 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.240 to establish and find those players. For Kirk Cousins to 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.920 have the performance he did against a Vic Fangio defense 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.800 that had a lot of success against Dalvin Cook in 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.200 the run and was able to, you know, do a 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.720 lot of things schematically to challenge them in the first half. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.440 For them to battle back from that shows you why 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.800 the Minnesota Vikings are still contenders and as you and 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.200 I've been discussing for the last few weeks, why they've 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.960 been able to sort of rise from the ashes to 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.239 make this type of run that they're at. Conversely, Denver 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.520 Broncos have a lot of problems right now. That was 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.600 just that was just a defensive meltdown in the second half. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.840 I mean, for them to pitch that first half shutout 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.160 yardage wise, they're ranked fourth in the league with that 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.760 defense coming into the game, and then in the second half, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.400 with a with a three score lead, four possessions, four 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.120 touchdowns by the Minnesota Vikings, the Broncos could not get 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.280 a stop to save their lives when really one stop 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.760 might have been all they needed in the second half 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.400 to win that game. Yeah. And the thing I really 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.120 didn't like, to be honest with you after the game, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.600 vic Fangio saying his big quote, I think it's leading 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.920 off NFL dot Com right now is will eventually get 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.080 it done. That's not going to cut it. Yeah, you 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.440 need to get it done. I could say I'm I'm 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.640 four and seven right now in my fantasy football league. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.840 I can stay there every Tuesday morning and say, hey, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.400 I'm gonna eventually get it done. The results are what 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.520 they are. You can point towards the quarterback situation, but 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.360 that's been a thing for a few years now for 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.040 the Broncos. You can point towards the running game, but 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:35.880 you know, you haven't really been able to find and 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.720 recreate the magic that they had last year. Your bread 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.400 and butter has to be the defense, and they put 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.560 themselves in a position to win that game early, and 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.079 they fell apart late. And that's why you're sitting where 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.840 you are right now in Week twelve. Yeah, I mean 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.480 it's you know, give the Vikings credit. They certainly storm 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.839 back from what was looking like a true clunker of 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.439 a performance. And and it was happening at home the 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.000 fans at US Bank Stadium or obvious letting them hear it, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.280 you know, walking off the field at twenty to nothing. Um. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.520 And it's as I mentioned, it should have been worse 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.600 than twenty to nothing because after the fumble on the kickoff, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.960 the Broncos were in position to add even more points 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.880 before halftime, and they blew that opportunity. Um. Did you 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.040 see the end of the game, the final sequence by 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.280 the by the goal line. Um. Again, a discussion for 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.040 another day with regards to the whole past interference rule, 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.480 But all three of those plays there were some interesting 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.480 things going on. I think the one that stands out 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.720 the most to people is the receiver getting his face 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.800 mask grabbed as the ball is coming. Which Gene Sterator, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.440 the rules expert and former NFL official who was um, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.839 you know, doing the usual broadcasting on Sunday, he actually 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.640 put out there on Twitter that hey, like, face mask 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.960 is not a reviewable penalty, but because the ball was 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.319 in the air, you could construe that as past interference 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.079 with the guy grabbing the face mask. They didn't even 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.720 stop the game to take a look at it. You 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.959 know nothing like that, and uh and the Vikings escape 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.840 with the victory. It's almost kind of like an ignorance 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.400 bless a little bit because those plays happen now and 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.960 I'm not even disappointed, not even I don't even think 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:08.480 twice about it now. The first couple of weeks of 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:09.880 this season, it's like, come on, what are you thinking? 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.120 But when you start to understand, it's just like you 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.040 know your your regular standard recess basketball game. When you 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.040 start to understand the rules of how we're gonna play 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.720 this thing, you're no longer disappointed when a certain thing 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.880 doesn't go all the way. I again, a discussion for 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.520 another day. As long and as drawn out as that 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.480 process was last year, trying to figure out how they're 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.719 gonna change your fish any rules, they're gonna have to 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.000 sit in that room twice as long this offseason. And 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.480 my hope is and I called it last year, Mike, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.160 not Barry horror with saying myself here, but I called 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.160 it last year. You saw all these things mounting leading 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.000 up to the NFC Championship game. There was call after call, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.560 and it's like, that's not just going to magically stop. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.040 There's going to be a critical moment one of these 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.960 playoff games where they're going to have to make a decision. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.760 In that decision is really going to have some big implications. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.560 It's they don't disappear, they only compound, and that's something 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:03.920 that Lead's gonna have to deal with. Yeah, I mean, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.360 it certainly feels like this year is headed that way 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.000 as far as the postseason as well, with with whether 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.280 these p I reviews, I mean the streak and I know, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.040 I guess there were a couple of p I reviews 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.360 yesterday that actually got changed. But when you look at 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.960 the fact that the one in the Minnesota game wasn't 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.880 even really looked at the one in the Houston Baltimore 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.599 game that was that was challenged and the call on 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.800 the field was not overturned. This this is this is 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.000 headed for another potential postseason disaster. That is that is 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.280 going to knock somebody out of the playoffs in potentially 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.280 a very unjust manner and uh, figure out the owners meetings. Yeah, 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.680 I guess, I guess. So, Well, what is interesting those 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.120 the Packers were benefits of that that uh you know, 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.440 screen type call. I think that was against the Bears 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.920 game right where it ended up being the receiver pickplay 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.400 that was Minnesota. I thought that was going to set 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.280 a precedent for the season. It didn't know and that 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.320 that it Actually I think what that did be because 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.720 because that was essentially an offensive past interference flag that 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.040 was dropped from New York so to speak, when they 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.800 looked at the touchdown play. I think that's the play 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.080 that changed everything because there there started to be a 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.480 message that was sent like, hey, that's not what this 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.360 rule was put in for is to to be looking 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.360 at touchdowns and then dropping flags from New York. So 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.160 then the whole thing has gone the other way to 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.520 where the percentages of the calls that are being upheld 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.040 on the field regardless of what the replay looks like 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.880 on these p I reviews and coaches who are still 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.200 trying to challenge things even though it's feudal because they're 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.120 not going to get the call to go their way. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.360 I think that. I think the call at lambeau Field 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.000 in Week two on that offensive past interference against the Vikings, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.160 I think that's the one that changed everything because it 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.120 was really weird. I remember just being kind of flabber 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:49.800 gas that sitting in my seat that they actually it 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.760 was the right call, more vantage point, but it was 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.640 it was stunt. It was stunning that that that basically 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.400 New York took a touchdown away on a score play. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.160 It was automatically reviewed and they said, oh, there's offensive 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.080 past interference right there, that's no touchdown, and uh it 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.240 costs the Vikings four points because they ended up kicking 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.559 a field goal on that drive. So it's fascinating the 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.400 way that these things get interpreted. Again, I wrote it 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.160 an Insider in box last week. I don't want to 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.480 be an NFL official. I have no interest in doing it, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.679 but man, the way that this game is right now, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.720 I mean, it's it's one thing to not want to 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:22.920 do the job. I don't want to be a high 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.880 school basketball rep. But it's another thing for the way 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.160 that's being interpreted. It's there is an element of kind 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.319 of I don't want to get all into it, but 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.000 it's almost a superiority. It's it's come off as well. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.920 You you know, you know my take, which is that 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.720 I think we've reached the point, and again, discussion for 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.520 another day, we've reached the point where the call on 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.000 the field can't matter anymore. They just have if something 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.720 goes to replay, you look at the replay and you 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.079 call what you see and to heck with whatever the 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.320 call is on the field. But nobody, nobody seems to 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.520 really want to go in that direction, even though I 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.880 think the technology dictates that the hall in the field 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.560 really just shouldn't carry the weight that it carries in. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.280 And that's a quincidental kind of aspect of this is 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.360 that originally the whole thing was the league office is 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.720 going to make the call. The referees, they'll be on 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.400 the headset, they'll be there to give their input, but 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.200 that it really doesn't And ultimately that's what it came down. Yeah, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.880 the call and the call in the field is still 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.480 carrying the day. We gotta get to your Darren College 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.360 store because I want to discuss that. But before we 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.800 get to that Thursday night football, I'd be remiss if 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.920 I didn't ask you about it, the whole fiasco with 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.720 my goodness, Do you have a quick take on that 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.840 at all, because I have several, but I'm curious. My 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.480 my quick take is I can't believe all the people 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.480 who are screaming for Mason Rudolph to get suspended out 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.640 of this thing. Now, Look, if Mason Rudolph gets a fine, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:47.360 I'm totally cool that he overreacted to the situation. But 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.680 if if Myles Garrett, even if Myles Garrett yanks the 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.640 helmet off and just drops it and throws it aside, 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.560 nobody's talking about suspensions here for anybody at all. Miles 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.760 Garrett is the one who escalate aided this thing to 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.280 the level that it is. He and then and and 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.560 I don't disagree with the suspension for Marquise Pouncy because 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.480 you start throwing punches, you're gonna get suspended. And I 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.960 think he escalated from a one game suspension to a 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.680 three game suspension with the kicking when Garrett was on 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.480 the ground. So I think, from what I've heard so far, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.120 I think this has been adjudicated properly by the NFL. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.640 But man, I have never just going back to the 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.880 incident itself, I have never seen anything quite so barbaric 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.560 on an NFL. And it's two thousand nineteen and I 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.840 wrote about this an inbox. You edited it last week 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.800 with everything we know about head and neck. In goodness, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.440 this is unacceptable because someone mentioned, you know the whole thing, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.200 you know, you go back to the you know, Jim 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.680 McMann incident with the Packers back in the late eighties. Agree, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.080 justus terrible. It was a different time. Unfortunately, those things happen, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.360 but it wasn't a nitty or grittier and in some 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.840 cases dumber way to play the game. We understand what 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.640 we're dealing with now. I mean in terms of the 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.360 gravity of some of these things. To be chucking a 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.160 helmet like that, if you hit him on the temple, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.240 if that thing hits him with the crown of the helmet, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.800 we're talking about significant implications beyond the game. You're talking 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.480 about possibly a fractured skull. So you and I have 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.680 held NFL helmets. I don't know how many viewers have. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.720 But I mean the way that these things have been 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.480 developed now and the way I mean these aren't they're 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.120 not throwing around the you know, no, the ones, the 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.200 ones that we got under the Christmas trees and we 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:30.160 were kids, those those have about twenty of the mass 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.760 and weight of an actual NFL helmet. I mean, these 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.760 things are these things are dangerous when they're getting swung 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.520 around like that. And uh and and to see that, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.160 I mean, you know, I know, Myles Garrett is going 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.760 to appeal his suspension. I think this is really interesting 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.720 issue as far as how much does the union stand 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.400 behind a guy when one of its members just flat 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.760 out assaulted and attacked and another another union member with 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.680 with a weapon like a helmet. I mean, this is 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.280 this is to me is unprecedented at least in my lifetime. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.479 In following the NFL, I expect the union in the 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.840 PA to to do that is their job is to 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.520 protect Myles Garrett, that you know, and defend him. That 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.959 they are the defense attorney in that way. I do 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.200 appreciate though that were now a couple of days removed this, 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.480 that they didn't just come out and like Levy down 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.600 on the NFL for the suspensions. Whatever has to happen 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.119 the a Pillies process and that will be up to 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.560 Derrick Brooks and in James Thrash. But that that I 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.280 thought sent an important message that this is the Demerius 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.800 Randall thing. I thought that was an egregious hit, unnecessary. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.840 It was in the realm of football play, yes, absolutely, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.000 but but that's what that's that's the that's the football 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.439 play they're trying to legislate out of the game. They 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.720 put in the remedies. Now when they see it, they're 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.840 gonna they're gonna kick a guy out and and that's 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.560 that's where things are headed. But yes, it was it 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.760 was a football play. It was done wrongly and and 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.520 uh and the punishment was properly. And the one thing 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.119 I will say that people are they're wanting punishment for 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.679 Rudolph that I I really like that the NFL stepped in. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.440 They find both organizations, because to be honest with you, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.159 it's just unacceptable on so many counts. There's eight seconds 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.840 left in the game. Whether or not Myles Garrett took 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.919 down Rudolph when he shouldn't have, I think that's what 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.479 escalated for Rudolf. That's what that's what that's what started 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.120 it for the quarterback. And then, as I say, he overreacted, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:22.680 then the other guy overreacted, and then the benches get bees. Yeah, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.719 there's no there's there's no place for that. There's no 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.200 place for that, there's no need for that. And uh 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.560 and yeah, I mean it's it's just a it's an 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.000 ugly it's an ugly black mark on a league that 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.879 was that that has been trying with a lot of 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.320 safety rules and everything else to clean up the game. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.880 And uh, and this one, this one sent the league 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.240 back a few steps. And last thing, and I really 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.120 want to discuss college. It was a great story. This 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.800 is why you want to talk about wins and losses, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.760 beyond suspensions, beyond finds, all these things. Look at why 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.080 the New England Patriots just one their nineteenth straight winning season, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.080 like they just clean Belichick, The Patriots, the teams that 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.240 do it right, play disciplined football. They do it in 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.080 quarter one, they do it in quarter four. And I 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.520 just think when you look at where Cleveland seasons at 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.680 right now and how things are going, that's the difference. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.960 You want to win football games. Play disciplined, don't do 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.840 agregious stuff. Best be fundamental. Yeah is what it is. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.400 I went, like I said on Twitter after the game, 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.920