1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted 3 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: colleague West Hotgwitz. We're coming to here from our studios 4 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: at Lambolefield and West we are back from the bye weekend, 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: So welcome back to the office. My friend, I went 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: by quick, it did? It went by went by awfully. 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on my coach on Sunday evening. We're 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: taping this on Monday morning, and I'm just sitting there. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm laying there, I'm watching television and I'm just like, 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: where has the past week gone? Now that is insider inbox, 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: but the rest of it, and I'm like, it just 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: blew by? And uh, here we are in a week 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: twelve already, How quickly the NFL season goes by? And 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately the bye week even quicker. Yeah, well, we need 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: to discuss what happened been in the NFL while the 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: Packers were not playing, because there were a couple of 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: moments on Sunday, the way things were unfolding, it was 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: looking like Green Bay was going to get some much 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: desired results with the Broncos ahead of the Vikings twenty 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: to nothing at halftime. The Arizona Cardinals were leading the 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners sixteen to nothing. In the second quarter, 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I believe it was before the forty Niners got on 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 1: the board. Both of those the home teams, the better 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: teams came back and took care of business and got 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: the victories. But but a lot of drama there that 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: that certainly had an opportunity to go Green Bay's way. Well, 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: the forty Niners game specifically is one we have to 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: talk about because a week ago I was sitting here 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: telling you, you know, they're fundamental, they do everything right, 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: they're good running the football, and then here's this random 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: occurrence where the past heavy aerial offense air raid that 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Arizona employees, Well, Kyler Murray has a hundred fifty passing yards. 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Meanwhile they're running game dominates San Francisco, which I think 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: might have had what forty rushing yards and Jimmy Garoppolo 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: throws for four four. I mean, just again, it seems 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: like it's becoming a recurring theme on the show this year, 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: But like every single week is just a reminder how 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: everything can change. And you got to give the San 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine is credit because they came off of 40 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: a demoralizing situation a week ago. And I said to 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: you before we went on hiatus last week, the Arizona 42 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals cannot be taken lightly. They played him tough the 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: first time, they played him tough again. But San Francisco, 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: as good teams do, as you said, found a way 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: to get that win in the second half. Yeah, I 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: as I said it insider inbox this morning in the column, 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I give the San Francisco forty and there's a lot 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: of credit for pulling that out because they were on 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: a short week, having played an overtime game over that 50 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: went the full overtime the whole ten minutes, a frustrating loss, 51 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: their first loss of the season. They had to bounce back. Now. 52 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: They didn't have travel involved, which helped them because they 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: around this stretch of home games right now. But on 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: a short week, you know a pesky improving division rival 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: in the Arizona Cardinals coming in a team that had 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: already played them tough as you mentioned the first time 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: they met, and the forty niners found uh, they found 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: a way to get it done. And then the Vegas 59 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: thing kind of all blew up with the last play 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: of the game. But that's a discussion, discussion for another day. 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: But um, but no, you're right, and and the forty 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Niners there could be for them. And this is what 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: will be interesting now leading into the game with the 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Packers this week, because you said it. The forty Niners 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: did not follow they're tried and true formula what they 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: did for the first two months of the season to 67 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: win this game. They couldn't run the ball. They turned 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: they turned the game over to Garoppolo and uh and 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: he passed past them. With the statistics, the numbers he 70 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: put up to a to a big victory to keep 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: them on top of the NFC at nine and on 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: where you have the Packers, the Seahawks, the Saints are 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: all eaten two, and now you have the Vikings at 74 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: eight and three. Well, this is a great performance by 75 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo for that reason, because I think so many 76 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: times people are like, Okay, how good is Jimmy Garoppolo, 77 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: And he's not without fault. I mean, he's gonna end 78 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: up turning over the football, you know, passing wise interceptions 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: probably over a dozen times this season is what he's 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: on pace for but yet he finds a way to win. 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: And this was a game where the passing game needed 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: to carry them. Oh and then, by the way, you 83 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: don't have George Kittle. Emmanuel Sanders plays, but he's dealing 84 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: with the rib injury, so Deebo Samuel becomes a big 85 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: part of this offense. Um you see differently, you know, 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Kyle use Check. This was a reminder of what that 87 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: position can do, if you know, in terms of being 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: able to move the chains. In this game, seven catches 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: for sixty three yards. They didn't have Matt Brita as well, 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: So just for them to find a way. That's great 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: for them to be sitting where they are number one 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: seed right now in the NFC playoff chase. But I 93 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: think this was a reminder for the second straight week, Mike, 94 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: and again we're gonna be a the you know, go 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: play this thing out on Sunday night. But forty Niners 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: are not without fault, They're not infallible. The Packers have 97 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: a realistic chance of going in there. I think they're 98 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: gonna end up being a couple of point underdogs right 99 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: now is the way it's looking. But a lot of 100 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: that is gonna be the home field advantage. Yeah, no 101 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: question about it. And certainly there there are some things 102 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: that have been put on film the last couple of 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: weeks by the Seattle Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals that 104 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: that show a little bit of vulnerability with the forty Niners, 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: and that's to be expected. As we talked about, it's 106 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: a sixteen game season. Yes, the Niners were eight no 107 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: at the halfway point. They get all the credit in 108 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: the world for doing that. But sixteen games is a 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: long season and eventually they're gonna be some some chinks 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: in the armor, you know, some cracks in the foundation 111 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: and uh, and good teams are going to have an 112 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to take advantage of that. The Seahawks did and 113 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: got a big victory on the road. The Cardinals almost did, 114 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: couldn't quite hold on. The forty Inners kept coming back 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: there down sixteen nothing, then they were trailing again in 116 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They came back a couple of times 117 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: in order to get that. I do want to talk also, 118 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: though about the Minnesota Vikings down twenty to nothing to 119 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. This was the game I probably watched. 120 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: I spent more time watching this one than any other 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: um on Sunday. And I'll say this, I'll just repeat 122 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: what I said in Insider Inbox. When the Broncos blew 123 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the chance at the end of the first half to 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: add to the twenty to nothing lead, when Brandon and 125 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Allen tried to force a pass, you know, to the 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: goal line over the middle, it got picked off. They 127 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: were easily going to add another field goal and at 128 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: least get to twenty three to nothing, and that didn't happen. 129 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: And then when when Denver's defense, which had played such 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: great football in the first stef just allowed the Vikings 131 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: to march right down the field and score to open 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: the second half, it just felt to me like the 133 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: outcome was inevitable that Minnesota was going to come back 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: and win this game, and they did. Well. Here's the thing. 135 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of Minnesota Vikings fans that 136 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: watch a show called Packers Unscripted, but my message to 137 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: all of them would be, this is why you need 138 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: to at least appreciate Kirk Cousins and why they made 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: the investment that they did. I get it. He's not 140 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: the second coming of Joe Montana. Nobody really is right, 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: But they were chasing a solution at quarterback. They wanted 142 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: a firm foundation at quarterback like they're not. Kirk Cousins 143 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: gives you that in the league where it's very difficult 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: to establish and find those players. For Kirk Cousins to 145 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: have the performance he did against a Vic Fangio defense 146 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: that had a lot of success against Dalvin Cook in 147 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: the run and was able to, you know, do a 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: lot of things schematically to challenge them in the first half. 149 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: For them to battle back from that shows you why 150 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings are still contenders and as you and 151 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: I've been discussing for the last few weeks, why they've 152 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: been able to sort of rise from the ashes to 153 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: make this type of run that they're at. Conversely, Denver 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Broncos have a lot of problems right now. That was 155 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: just that was just a defensive meltdown in the second half. 156 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, for them to pitch that first half shutout 157 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: yardage wise, they're ranked fourth in the league with that 158 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: defense coming into the game, and then in the second half, 159 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: with a with a three score lead, four possessions, four 160 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: touchdowns by the Minnesota Vikings, the Broncos could not get 161 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: a stop to save their lives when really one stop 162 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: might have been all they needed in the second half 163 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: to win that game. Yeah. And the thing I really 164 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: didn't like, to be honest with you after the game, 165 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: vic Fangio saying his big quote, I think it's leading 166 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: off NFL dot Com right now is will eventually get 167 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: it done. That's not going to cut it. Yeah, you 168 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: need to get it done. I could say I'm I'm 169 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: four and seven right now in my fantasy football league. 170 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: I can stay there every Tuesday morning and say, hey, 171 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eventually get it done. The results are what 172 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: they are. You can point towards the quarterback situation, but 173 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: that's been a thing for a few years now for 174 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the Broncos. You can point towards the running game, but 175 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, you haven't really been able to find and 176 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: recreate the magic that they had last year. Your bread 177 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: and butter has to be the defense, and they put 178 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: themselves in a position to win that game early, and 179 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: they fell apart late. And that's why you're sitting where 180 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: you are right now in Week twelve. Yeah, I mean 181 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, give the Vikings credit. They certainly storm 182 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: back from what was looking like a true clunker of 183 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: a performance. And and it was happening at home the 184 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: fans at US Bank Stadium or obvious letting them hear it, 185 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, walking off the field at twenty to nothing. Um. 186 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: And it's as I mentioned, it should have been worse 187 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: than twenty to nothing because after the fumble on the kickoff, 188 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: the Broncos were in position to add even more points 189 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: before halftime, and they blew that opportunity. Um. Did you 190 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: see the end of the game, the final sequence by 191 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: the by the goal line. Um. Again, a discussion for 192 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: another day with regards to the whole past interference rule, 193 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: But all three of those plays there were some interesting 194 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: things going on. I think the one that stands out 195 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: the most to people is the receiver getting his face 196 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: mask grabbed as the ball is coming. Which Gene Sterator, 197 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: the rules expert and former NFL official who was um, 198 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, doing the usual broadcasting on Sunday, he actually 199 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: put out there on Twitter that hey, like, face mask 200 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: is not a reviewable penalty, but because the ball was 201 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: in the air, you could construe that as past interference 202 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: with the guy grabbing the face mask. They didn't even 203 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: stop the game to take a look at it. You 204 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: know nothing like that, and uh and the Vikings escape 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: with the victory. It's almost kind of like an ignorance 206 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: bless a little bit because those plays happen now and 207 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm not even disappointed, not even I don't even think 208 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: twice about it now. The first couple of weeks of 209 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: this season, it's like, come on, what are you thinking? 210 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: But when you start to understand, it's just like you 211 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: know your your regular standard recess basketball game. When you 212 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: start to understand the rules of how we're gonna play 213 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: this thing, you're no longer disappointed when a certain thing 214 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: doesn't go all the way. I again, a discussion for 215 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: another day. As long and as drawn out as that 216 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: process was last year, trying to figure out how they're 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: gonna change your fish any rules, they're gonna have to 218 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: sit in that room twice as long this offseason. And 219 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: my hope is and I called it last year, Mike, 220 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: not Barry horror with saying myself here, but I called 221 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: it last year. You saw all these things mounting leading 222 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: up to the NFC Championship game. There was call after call, 223 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: and it's like, that's not just going to magically stop. 224 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: There's going to be a critical moment one of these 225 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: playoff games where they're going to have to make a decision. 226 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: In that decision is really going to have some big implications. 227 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: It's they don't disappear, they only compound, and that's something 228 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: that Lead's gonna have to deal with. Yeah, I mean, 229 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: it certainly feels like this year is headed that way 230 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: as far as the postseason as well, with with whether 231 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: these p I reviews, I mean the streak and I know, 232 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: I guess there were a couple of p I reviews 233 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: yesterday that actually got changed. But when you look at 234 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: the fact that the one in the Minnesota game wasn't 235 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: even really looked at the one in the Houston Baltimore 236 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: game that was that was challenged and the call on 237 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: the field was not overturned. This this is this is 238 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: headed for another potential postseason disaster. That is that is 239 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: going to knock somebody out of the playoffs in potentially 240 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: a very unjust manner and uh, figure out the owners meetings. Yeah, 241 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess. So, Well, what is interesting those 242 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: the Packers were benefits of that that uh you know, 243 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: screen type call. I think that was against the Bears 244 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: game right where it ended up being the receiver pickplay 245 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: that was Minnesota. I thought that was going to set 246 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: a precedent for the season. It didn't know and that 247 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: that it Actually I think what that did be because 248 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: because that was essentially an offensive past interference flag that 249 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: was dropped from New York so to speak, when they 250 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: looked at the touchdown play. I think that's the play 251 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: that changed everything because there there started to be a 252 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: message that was sent like, hey, that's not what this 253 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: rule was put in for is to to be looking 254 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: at touchdowns and then dropping flags from New York. So 255 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: then the whole thing has gone the other way to 256 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: where the percentages of the calls that are being upheld 257 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: on the field regardless of what the replay looks like 258 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: on these p I reviews and coaches who are still 259 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: trying to challenge things even though it's feudal because they're 260 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: not going to get the call to go their way. 261 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: I think that. I think the call at lambeau Field 262 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: in Week two on that offensive past interference against the Vikings, 263 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: I think that's the one that changed everything because it 264 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: was really weird. I remember just being kind of flabber 265 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: gas that sitting in my seat that they actually it 266 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: was the right call, more vantage point, but it was 267 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: it was stunt. It was stunning that that that basically 268 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: New York took a touchdown away on a score play. 269 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: It was automatically reviewed and they said, oh, there's offensive 270 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: past interference right there, that's no touchdown, and uh it 271 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: costs the Vikings four points because they ended up kicking 272 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: a field goal on that drive. So it's fascinating the 273 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: way that these things get interpreted. Again, I wrote it 274 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: an Insider in box last week. I don't want to 275 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: be an NFL official. I have no interest in doing it, 276 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: but man, the way that this game is right now, 277 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one thing to not want to 278 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: do the job. I don't want to be a high 279 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: school basketball rep. But it's another thing for the way 280 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: that's being interpreted. It's there is an element of kind 281 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: of I don't want to get all into it, but 282 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: it's almost a superiority. It's it's come off as well. 283 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: You you know, you know my take, which is that 284 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: I think we've reached the point, and again, discussion for 285 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: another day, we've reached the point where the call on 286 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: the field can't matter anymore. They just have if something 287 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: goes to replay, you look at the replay and you 288 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: call what you see and to heck with whatever the 289 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: call is on the field. But nobody, nobody seems to 290 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: really want to go in that direction, even though I 291 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: think the technology dictates that the hall in the field 292 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: really just shouldn't carry the weight that it carries in. 293 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: And that's a quincidental kind of aspect of this is 294 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: that originally the whole thing was the league office is 295 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: going to make the call. The referees, they'll be on 296 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: the headset, they'll be there to give their input, but 297 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: that it really doesn't And ultimately that's what it came down. Yeah, 298 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: the call and the call in the field is still 299 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: carrying the day. We gotta get to your Darren College 300 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: store because I want to discuss that. But before we 301 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: get to that Thursday night football, I'd be remiss if 302 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about it, the whole fiasco with 303 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: my goodness, Do you have a quick take on that 304 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: at all, because I have several, but I'm curious. My 305 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: my quick take is I can't believe all the people 306 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: who are screaming for Mason Rudolph to get suspended out 307 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: of this thing. Now, Look, if Mason Rudolph gets a fine, 308 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm totally cool that he overreacted to the situation. But 309 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: if if Myles Garrett, even if Myles Garrett yanks the 310 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: helmet off and just drops it and throws it aside, 311 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about suspensions here for anybody at all. Miles 312 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: Garrett is the one who escalate aided this thing to 313 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the level that it is. He and then and and 314 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with the suspension for Marquise Pouncy because 315 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: you start throwing punches, you're gonna get suspended. And I 316 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: think he escalated from a one game suspension to a 317 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: three game suspension with the kicking when Garrett was on 318 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: the ground. So I think, from what I've heard so far, 319 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: I think this has been adjudicated properly by the NFL. 320 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: But man, I have never just going back to the 321 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: incident itself, I have never seen anything quite so barbaric 322 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: on an NFL. And it's two thousand nineteen and I 323 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: wrote about this an inbox. You edited it last week 324 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: with everything we know about head and neck. In goodness, 325 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: this is unacceptable because someone mentioned, you know the whole thing, 326 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, you go back to the you know, Jim 327 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: McMann incident with the Packers back in the late eighties. Agree, 328 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: justus terrible. It was a different time. Unfortunately, those things happen, 329 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: but it wasn't a nitty or grittier and in some 330 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: cases dumber way to play the game. We understand what 331 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: we're dealing with now. I mean in terms of the 332 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: gravity of some of these things. To be chucking a 333 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: helmet like that, if you hit him on the temple, 334 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: if that thing hits him with the crown of the helmet, 335 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about significant implications beyond the game. You're talking 336 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: about possibly a fractured skull. So you and I have 337 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: held NFL helmets. I don't know how many viewers have. 338 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: But I mean the way that these things have been 339 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: developed now and the way I mean these aren't they're 340 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: not throwing around the you know, no, the ones, the 341 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: ones that we got under the Christmas trees and we 342 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: were kids, those those have about twenty of the mass 343 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and weight of an actual NFL helmet. I mean, these 344 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: things are these things are dangerous when they're getting swung 345 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: around like that. And uh and and to see that, 346 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know, Myles Garrett is going 347 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: to appeal his suspension. I think this is really interesting 348 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: issue as far as how much does the union stand 349 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: behind a guy when one of its members just flat 350 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: out assaulted and attacked and another another union member with 351 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: with a weapon like a helmet. I mean, this is 352 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: this is to me is unprecedented at least in my lifetime. 353 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: In following the NFL, I expect the union in the 354 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: PA to to do that is their job is to 355 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: protect Myles Garrett, that you know, and defend him. That 356 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: they are the defense attorney in that way. I do 357 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: appreciate though that were now a couple of days removed this, 358 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: that they didn't just come out and like Levy down 359 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: on the NFL for the suspensions. Whatever has to happen 360 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: the a Pillies process and that will be up to 361 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Derrick Brooks and in James Thrash. But that that I 362 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: thought sent an important message that this is the Demerius 363 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Randall thing. I thought that was an egregious hit, unnecessary. 364 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: It was in the realm of football play, yes, absolutely, 365 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: but but that's what that's that's the that's the football 366 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: play they're trying to legislate out of the game. They 367 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: put in the remedies. Now when they see it, they're 368 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna kick a guy out and and that's 369 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: that's where things are headed. But yes, it was it 370 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: was a football play. It was done wrongly and and 371 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: uh and the punishment was properly. And the one thing 372 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: I will say that people are they're wanting punishment for 373 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: Rudolph that I I really like that the NFL stepped in. 374 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: They find both organizations, because to be honest with you, 375 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: it's just unacceptable on so many counts. There's eight seconds 376 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: left in the game. Whether or not Myles Garrett took 377 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: down Rudolph when he shouldn't have, I think that's what 378 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: escalated for Rudolf. That's what that's what that's what started 379 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: it for the quarterback. And then, as I say, he overreacted, 380 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: then the other guy overreacted, and then the benches get bees. Yeah, 381 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: there's no there's there's no place for that. There's no 382 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: place for that, there's no need for that. And uh 383 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it's it's just a it's an 384 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: ugly it's an ugly black mark on a league that 385 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: was that that has been trying with a lot of 386 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: safety rules and everything else to clean up the game. 387 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: And uh, and this one, this one sent the league 388 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: back a few steps. And last thing, and I really 389 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: want to discuss college. It was a great story. This 390 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: is why you want to talk about wins and losses, 391 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: beyond suspensions, beyond finds, all these things. Look at why 392 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots just one their nineteenth straight winning season, 393 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: like they just clean Belichick, The Patriots, the teams that 394 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: do it right, play disciplined football. They do it in 395 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: quarter one, they do it in quarter four. And I 396 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: just think when you look at where Cleveland seasons at 397 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: right now and how things are going, that's the difference. 398 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: You want to win football games. Play disciplined, don't do 399 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: agregious stuff. Best be fundamental. Yeah is what it is. 400 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: I went, like I said on Twitter after the game, 401 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't even watched it. Yeah, there's there's 402 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: a part of me that wishes I hadn't seen it live. Either. 403 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: But um, that being said, we did want to talk 404 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. It is November, it is 405 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Salute to Service month in the NFL. You and I 406 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: have both been have worked on a couple of stories. 407 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: You had the piece on Danny vitally earlier. I had 408 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: one that posted last week, um during the bye on 409 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: Darren College. For those who remember him, he was a 410 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: second round draft pick for the Packers in two thousand six. 411 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: He played five years in Green Bay, was a starter 412 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: that entire time, was a starting guard on the Super 413 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: Bowl forty five championship team. And he is now in 414 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: the Idaho National Guard. And earlier this year he returned 415 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: from a ten month deployment to Afghanistan. Uh some married man, 416 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: father of two young girls to uh elementary school age girls, 417 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know it was it was really really 418 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: neat to catch up with him. He's one of the 419 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: guys that his five years in Green Bay. Two thousand 420 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: and six was the year I got to the Packers 421 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: and Packers dot com. He was part of that first 422 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: rookie class that came in. I really enjoyed getting know 423 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: him over the five years that he played here. I 424 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: even actually bumped into him when he finished his final 425 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: year in the NFL. He was with the Miami Dolphins 426 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: and the Packers had beaten the Dolphins down in Miami 427 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: on that last second fake spike, you know, whole sequence, 428 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: and um, I actually crossed paths with him as he 429 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: was coming off the field and I was making my 430 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: way down towards the Packer locker room for postgame interviews. 431 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: And he's the kind of guy like he sees me, 432 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: he stops and says hello, it's just really quickly like, hey, 433 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: good to see you know, take it easy. That was 434 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: the last time I had seen him until he came 435 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: back and I talked to him about this, uh, this 436 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: deployment to Afghanistan, and uh, boy, you talk about somebody 437 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: who who is really dedicated to the service element of 438 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: a post football career. Um, it's it's really remarkable what 439 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: he's doing. I think it takes a special breed of 440 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: person to to do what Darren College is doing. And 441 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: uh and you know, to go over to Afghanistan and 442 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: to be in some of those danger zones. I you know, 443 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: I certainly pray for him, just as I do for 444 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: for all the servicemen and women over there. But as 445 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, when it's somebody that you know and you 446 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: start to think about those kinds of things, that it 447 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: feels a little different. Well, and it's incredible. It's an 448 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: incredible story. I really encourage you to check it out 449 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: on Packers Dot com still up there now called a 450 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: duty uh and Darren College journey. The one quote though, 451 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: and I when I tweeted your story out, this is 452 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: the quote I pulled. It was from Jason Spitz, who 453 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: has been a longtime friend of College. They obviously operate 454 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: the winery together. Yeah, they they were. They were in 455 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: the same draft class back to background, second and third 456 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: round in two thousand and six. They were great friends 457 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: from the day they arrived in Green Bay. And it 458 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: was amazing to read that quote when it's like, you 459 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: know so many you know, he just gets done with 460 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: a nine year tenure NFL career and then here he 461 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: is jumping into this and and there's a certain aspect 462 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: from spitz perspective, I mean, are you just are you crazy? 463 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? But then when you understand 464 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: him and you understand what motivates him and where he 465 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: comes from, and you know, one thing I learned from 466 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: the story, I didn't realize that North Pole, Alaska was 467 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: actually a big military area. Um, yeah, there's a lot. 468 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: There's there's various military bases up there in Alaska. And 469 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: he grew up kind of surrounded by that. He had 470 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: a both a great grandfather, and a grandfather who served 471 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: in the military. Um. And his his brother is also 472 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: currently in the military, is involved in some in special forces. Um. 473 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: So uh, yeah, he got done. He got done with 474 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: a nine year NFL career. Certainly has plenty of money 475 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: to set up, you know, his family, generations of his 476 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: family for a long time to come. And uh and 477 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: was having a conversation with Jason Spitz and some other 478 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: friends and feeling like he just he was wasting his life. 479 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: He needed to needed to do something. And he's, uh, 480 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: he's slimmed down about fifty pounds, he's about a three 481 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: pound offensive guard. He weighs about to sixty now just 482 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: looks you know, he's he's in great shape. And uh. Um, 483 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: personality wise, he's just he's he's still the same guy. 484 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: He's he's a he's a fast talker who will strike 485 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: up a conversation with anybody. And uh and just a 486 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: really a really really neat guy. And uh and I 487 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: hope that you know, those who want to reminisce a 488 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: little bit and get to know what he's doing now 489 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: that he has been out of football for five years. Um, 490 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, check out the story. I really did enjoy 491 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: the conversation with Yeah, and like I said, it's a 492 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: phenomenal tale. It's incredible to hear what his motivations are, 493 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: what that experience was like for him, and just where 494 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: where he's at right now in his life. But certainly, 495 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, the slip to service month number of members 496 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: of the military. I know my grandfather served an incredible 497 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to it. To really recognize and appreciate the men 498 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: and women that that put so much on the line 499 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: for that for you know, our country. And then to 500 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: see a guy like Darren College who when you say 501 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: like he felt like he wasn't he could literally sit 502 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: on a couch the rest of his life and be 503 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: fine and be set and nobody and nobody would question 504 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: it when he when he you know, put his body 505 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: through what football players have to put their bodies through 506 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: to play this game for nine years, and and I 507 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: forget what his total number of games was, but he 508 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: he didn't basically didn't miss a game in Green Bay. Um. 509 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: He uh, he started eight plus games over the course 510 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: of his five years, including playoffs, and just just a durable, 511 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, the the warrior football mentality type. And he's 512 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: he's sort of taken that that same mentality into his 513 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: post football career. What a saint his wife is to 514 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: going through an NFL career where you know, he's gone 515 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: as much as he is, you're dedicated to the cause 516 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: as much he is, and then to turn around and 517 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: decide he wants to do something like that that includes 518 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: that type of deployment. His white his wife, Megan, as 519 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: I said, two young daughters. They were five and seven 520 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: when he left to go to Afghanistan. Then they both 521 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: turned six and eight by the time he came back. 522 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: And his wife, Megan is he called her a military bratch. 523 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: She grew up in a military family that moved around 524 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: and and so you know, she was familiar with the deal. 525 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: And as he said, I couldn't do it without her, 526 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: but she knew everything that was involved when I signed 527 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: up for it. And uh um, just my head, My 528 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: hat's off to the guy, and uh um, I really 529 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: did appreciate getting to catch up with him. Yeah, and 530 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: if you definitely get a chance to check that out, 531 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Packers dot com still up there now? Really nice read? 532 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: All right, with that, we will call it a wrap 533 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers on Scripted. We sure to 534 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers 535 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: dot com. On Twitter, He's at west Hot I'm at 536 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for 537 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, See you next time.