1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. I 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: am John Schmelt, coming to you from the Giants Podcast Studio, 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: presented by Hackensack and Marine Health Keep getting Better. Today's 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: guest is Front of the program, joins us every year 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: around the NFL Draft, the one and only from NFL 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: dot Com. 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: Eric at home, Eric, what's going on, man, Good to 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: see you. 10 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: Good seeing you too. Yeah, everything's all right, man. We're 11 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 3: in full swing here, kind of the home stretch. I 12 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: guess some some pro day stuff still notwithstanding. 13 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Now, can you breathe a little bit, because the free 14 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: agency frenzy. 15 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: I know that's not your expertise, but I also know 16 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: at that time of the year it is all hands 17 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: on deck when it comes to all league enterprises. 18 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. 19 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: I definitely chip in with some news and analysis stuff 20 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: based on frames the I mean, there was so much 21 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: that first day, the first day of legal tampering. 22 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 4: It felt like it just all kind of dumped on us. 23 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: That we dug ourselves out of the snow drift there 24 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: and kind of Although the Crosby trade happened a couple 25 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: of days later and then the the pullback, so there 26 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: was a second win there, but that first stay was 27 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: really the worst. So yes, the answer is I have 28 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 3: settled in a little bit here. 29 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have Jalen Watta earlier this week, 30 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: so there are still some good players out there. So 31 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: still not all done, which means team needs could still change, Eric, 32 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: which is something that we'll have to track over the 33 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: next believe it or not, only about five weeks until 34 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: the draft, which just seems crazy to me, but it 35 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: comes faster and faster every single year. So as you've 36 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: gotten the data from the combine, you can find Eric's 37 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: top one hundred list, by the way, on nfl dot com. 38 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: Make sure you go check that out. It is fantastic. 39 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 4: What do you looking. 40 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: At in terms of where the Giants sit at five 41 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: and specifically attack it this way, where does your first 42 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: tier end? Like I think my first tier is four players, 43 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: then you kind of have a little bit of a drop. 44 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: Where do you have that kind of all right, these 45 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: are my like top top guys and then you have 46 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: my next group. 47 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question, and I mean you could 48 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: look at it a couple different ways. I mean, I 49 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: believe I have Mendo a fourth on my board. He's 50 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: probably gonna be the first pick, as we all kind 51 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: of know, or I feel at this point. 52 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: You know, it's not that I'm saying he's. 53 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: A bad football player, but if if he's my last 54 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: guy in that top tier, you know, I mean, I 55 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: don't even know if I quite put him up there. 56 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: I mean, what what seems to be the hallmark. 57 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: Of this draft class is there's a lot of good 58 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: and even some very good. I don't know if there's 59 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: any no questions asked, no doubt, great, you know, prospects 60 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: in this class. I mean, if you want to make 61 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: a case for Jeremiah Love being that in that category, 62 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 3: you know, kind of like Ashton Genty and Bjeon Robinson 63 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: in recent years. 64 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: Sure, Okay, then I can, I can. 65 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: I can take that, you know, And then the question 66 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: becomes is Caleb Downs in that group? Is Sonny Styles 67 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: in that group? Is Arville Reese in that group too? 68 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: Because you're banking on potential, so. 69 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: Well you just named my four right there. 70 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the funny thing. 71 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I recognize that they are top 72 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: of the class products. I mean, there are prospects I 73 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: should say is what I was trying to go for. 74 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: David Bailey, I think is really good. 75 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 4: Rubyn Bayin. I think both. 76 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: Deserve to be top ten picks and would be in 77 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: the top ten discussion most years. 78 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: But what I'm trying to say in a roundabout way 79 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: is that. 80 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: It's there's not a whole lot of difference picking at 81 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: five and. 82 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: Fifteen this year. 83 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: And I know that's maybe not music to Giants fans ears, 84 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 3: and it's just my opinion. I could be wrong, of course, 85 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: but it feels like the top tier, however small it is, 86 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: just is a handful, whether it's one, two, or maybe 87 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: even four guys something like that. 88 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe one of those guys gets to five, 89 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: which which is very possible, And I think that's what 90 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: Giant fans will be looking at. And I think, you know, 91 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: as we kind of reattack this draft class, speaking from 92 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: a twenty thousand five view, here, Eric, all the guys 93 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, let's see, you have a off ball linebacker, 94 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: a safety or running back, and then it's a hybrid 95 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: linebacker that some people think is an off ball guy 96 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: because he hasn't really rushed the quarterback all that much 97 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: from the edge. So it's also a group where it's 98 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: not traditional players you're gonna pick at the top, and 99 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: the one guy that is is somebody that hasn't really 100 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: done what people think he could be best at yet 101 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: though I think he's a tremendous outside line off ball 102 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: linebacker in Arval Reas. 103 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point, right, There is that in 104 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: addition to not having these sort of clearly defined stars 105 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: coming into the league. And look, I mean even Micah 106 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: Parsons was a star even after sitting. 107 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: Out a year of college football. I mean, even you know, 108 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: Jamar Chase. 109 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: We kind of felt like those were more established players, 110 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: even if they only had you know, one year of 111 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: true greatness or something like that, than this year's crop. 112 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: Because Arville Reese isn't Micah Parsons yet, right, none of 113 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: the receivers are as. I don't think they have as 114 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: high as ceiling as a Chase or something like that. 115 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: And again, I just those two guys just popped into 116 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: my head. They were in the same draft class or whatever. 117 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: So you know the fact that those guys ended up 118 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: going you know, fifth and twelfth or whatever it was 119 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: kind of speaks to the top heavy nature of that 120 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: class versus this one. And to your point, the positional 121 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: value matters too. Taking safeties in the top five is 122 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: a tough sell for some people, whether even if they're great, right, 123 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: I Meanyle Hamilton works out, but not every safety pick 124 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: that high does. And you know, is there a true 125 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: number one receiver? Yeah, there's a lot of very good ones. 126 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: You know. There's a couple of good tight ends too, 127 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: And so that's another position where you can weigh the 128 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: positional value. But you're right, running back, safety, off ball linebacker, 129 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: kind of a hybrid question mark there. Yeah, and more 130 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: of a pocket passer too if you want to throw 131 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: Mendoz in there as we shift more towards. 132 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 4: The athletic quarterback model. 133 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean we're kind of testing some long holding, 134 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: long held beliefs about the draft and who deserves to 135 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: go where and where the how often they are, how 136 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: quickly they should come off I should. 137 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: Say, yeah, I mean, I think, just to kind of 138 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: summarize your point, I separate my top tens. I have 139 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: blue guys, which in a normal year would be a 140 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: top three pick, right, I don't think I have anyone 141 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: with that type of grade in this draft. Maybe Jeremiah Love, 142 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: he could get into that category because he's Akay, he's 143 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: in the class we talked about. Everyone else, though, is 144 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: much more of a you know, red type of player, 145 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: which is what I call a guy that would normally 146 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: be a top ten pick in every year. Right, So 147 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: I think we're very much on the same page. If 148 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: you're sitting there in the Giants and let's say I'm 149 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: going to give you three players to evaluate to choose from, 150 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: how would you break down your decision making process between 151 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love Sunny Styles versus Caleb Downs. 152 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just as a teaser, my mock draft, which 153 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: depending on when you release this may or may not 154 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: be out. 155 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: So this is coming out on Friday, I believe. 156 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so by then I believe, I think we'll have 157 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: my mock up and if not, you'll have any even 158 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: longer tease. But I had Love going off the board 159 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: before him, and I had those two players stare in 160 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: me at the face, in my face when the Giants 161 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: were picking, and you know, it was it was an 162 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: interesting to be I mean, you could say that Downs 163 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: is the best safety prospect to come along in a 164 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: few years, and he may not have elite size. He 165 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: may not have elite elite speed and quickness, but he's 166 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: very good in you know. I mean, I think he's 167 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: got capable you know, or competent size, and you know, 168 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: capable athleticism, and his intangibles are as good as they get. 169 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Right, Earl, Eric Safety is much more about what's going 170 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: on up here than how good of a forty ye 171 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: run two? 172 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: By the way a man? 173 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right. 174 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: You want to see a guy who can cover and 175 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: tackle and do all the things that these guys are 176 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: asked to do. But I think so, you know, like 177 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: look at Craig Woodson, the safety who started as a 178 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: rookie for the for the Patriots, and you know, a 179 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: demanding guy and Mike Rabel and what was he known 180 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 3: for coming into the league was his intelligence, his anticipation skills. 181 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: And I didn't see him as a as a an 182 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: elite athlete. But the reason why he was a good 183 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: rookie starter on a team that made the super Bowl 184 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: is that he has those anticipatory skills and he can 185 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: he if you saw in the super Bowl, he's the 186 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: one guy who seemed to be making kind of film 187 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: studying play. So you know, he's a fourth round pick. 188 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: We typically talk about safeties outside the top five, but 189 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: maybe he's an exception. 190 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: Maybe he is, maybe he's just that good. 191 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: I tended to hedge a little bit more. I thought 192 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: his tape in twenty twenty four was a little stronger 193 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: overall than twenty twenty five, not a huge difference, So 194 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: I ended up going with Sonny styles. And even if 195 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: you're saying that, look, you know, even this era an 196 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: off ball linebacker, you know, taking one at five is 197 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: pretty rich. I mean, I can, I can get into that. 198 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: But if I. 199 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: Told you you could have and again I know this 200 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: is shooting high, but if I said you could get 201 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: a Fred Warner like player for your defense, would you 202 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: take it? You know, most people are saying yes, right, 203 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: the probably the most well balanced, impactful linebacker, and in 204 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: terms of off the ball non pass rusher types and styles, 205 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: can blitz too, and and he's an explosive guy, as 206 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: his workouts in indies showed. And really I thought his 207 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: tape was more consistent and you know NFL ready than 208 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: Rville Reeses was. And Reeses was great, it was exciting. 209 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: You could see the upside. But for me, in terms 210 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: of more finished product, I think Styles is there and 211 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: his combine workout was terrific. 212 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 4: And and you. 213 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: Know, quiet need for the for the Giants' run defense, 214 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 3: and I know that probably starts more with beef up front, but. 215 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: Not that quiet regard to it's not that quiet. And 216 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: I will say this too, by the way, Caleb Downs 217 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: was a fantastic run defender last year. I think he 218 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: I think he had more tackles for lost than Sonny 219 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: Styles did over the course of the year in the 220 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: run game. So look, I'm with you, and if I'm 221 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: staring at those two guys, I don't know what I 222 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: would do at this point, to be honest with you, 223 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: because I think there are good arguments both ways. 224 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: All right, So that's what the Giants pick at five. 225 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: Is there anyone else you would have in the mix 226 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: there at number five besides that kind of group I 227 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: threw at you. 228 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough. 229 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: It's not like there's that one player who feels like 230 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: a perfect fit. Obviously, you could make the case for 231 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: one of the pass rushers in a normal situation, like 232 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: you know, up high receivers, pass rushers, quarterbacks. You know 233 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: you tend to offensive tackles. You know, you see the 234 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: same kind of positions. But I'm not sure there's that 235 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: one guy that that screams both you know, giants need 236 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: and worthy of the draft slots. So you know, I'm 237 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: sure there's there's You could probably make a case for 238 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: Carnel tape. 239 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 4: You know. I think he's a really good receiver. I 240 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 4: really do. 241 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, if if you're hung up 242 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: that much on the forty time, and obviously there was 243 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: some dispute over that and all. 244 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: That, but I would just say watch the tape. 245 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 3: I mean, he had a bunch of long touchdowns and 246 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: can get vertical and gain separation, and it just seems 247 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: like a very Uh. I don't know if Nico Collins 248 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: is the right comp but I mean, you know a 249 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: player who's got some length and some I think above 250 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: average speed, good catch radius, and somebody who could end 251 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: up being a two now and a future number one. 252 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: So I suppose he could be in that mix as well, 253 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: But I didn't directly consider him in that spot. 254 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: Huddle up, get in here. 255 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 256 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: middle with at the score great. How do we make 257 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: that happen? I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense 258 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: of your money with citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning. 259 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: All right, so let's look about what the giants might 260 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: do a pick thirty sevens. I think that's more interesting. 261 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: You can go a bunch of different ways, and the 262 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: giants still have some needed some spots. So I'm going 263 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: to focus it on those positions with you here, what 264 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: do you think about that top of the second round 265 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: guard group? You got Chase Pisante's Emmanuel Pregnant. I'm not 266 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: sure if Kewan Rutledge is in there for you? What 267 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: do you think about that guard group, whether giants are 268 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: picking at thirty seven? 269 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good group. 270 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: And I think you know, you're going to see some 271 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: centers on day two that are good values later in 272 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: day and I think you're gonna see some guards earlier 273 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: in day two that you know, end up being pretty 274 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 3: pretty impactful people. 275 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: I would say. 276 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: So, you know, Chase Basanis is a really interesting guy 277 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: for me, I think he's probably one of my favorite 278 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: guys in that in that range Pregnant you mentioned too. 279 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: He kind of grew on me the more I watched 280 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: him and the more I saw what he could do. 281 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: Kilan Rutledge, I think as we're taping this, Joridia Tech 282 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: is having their pro day. He really stood out with 283 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: his aggression. I would say at the Senior Bowl. Seemed 284 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: to anger some of the defensive players, which is a 285 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: good thing, right. If you're an offensive lineman and you're 286 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: getting under the skin of the the guys trying to 287 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: come at you, you're probably doing something right. So and 288 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some other guys kind of in that 289 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: same range, but yeah, I mean, I think Yowani's probably 290 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: gonna be the only guard who has a chance to 291 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: go round one. So it leaves kind of the strength 292 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: of that group somewhere in the fifty picks between you know, 293 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: thirty five I even and eighty five, I would say, 294 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: is where there's gonna be a pretty good, uh strength there. 295 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: Jalen Farmer from Kentucky had a good work out at 296 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: the Combine. I think has got some people appreciating what 297 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: he did. The kid the other guard at Oregon, Alex Harky, 298 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: I think has gained some some more attention. I don't 299 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: know if he's quite in that range. Jennings Dunker from 300 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: Iowa tackle probably moving inside and others too. 301 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: I'm just off the top of my head. I'm kind 302 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 4: of like getting it. But if I had to pick. 303 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: One of that group that i've that that I would 304 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: love at the top of the second round, it's like 305 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 3: the perfect spot to grab a player like that. It's 306 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: Chase bes honest and just a kind of an old 307 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: school tough throwback guy and downhill blocker, you know, good 308 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: balance out there too, doesn't end up on the ground 309 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 3: very often. 310 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: I know that. 311 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, the short arms probably make him an interior 312 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: player only, but I would say he just feels like 313 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: a under control player who harnesses his his physical capabilities 314 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: really well. So somewhere in that thirty to fifty range 315 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: I think could see him going off the board, and 316 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: that's obviously right there when the Giants pick. 317 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he moved really well with the combine too, 318 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: to be honest with you have all the guards. I 319 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: thought he moved particularly well during the positional drills and 320 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: then pregnant. 321 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: You know, he's just a butt kicker man like he's 322 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: a power player. 323 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: I guess see John Harball falling in love with his 324 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: tape watching him too, just with his ability to move 325 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and move people even though he 326 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: might not be the most athletic guy. 327 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Pregnant was one that you know, I had seen, 328 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: you know, but I hadn't really dove deep on until 329 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: kind of I would say, right between Ceer Bowl and Combine. 330 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: And you know, you're right. 331 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: I mean, he surprised me a little bit with the 332 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: vertical jump and some of the athletics stuff. But to 333 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: your point, yeah, I would say, you're more talking about 334 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: kind of a butt kicker at guard. And you know, 335 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: sometime will give up the inside on a rush and 336 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: sometimes we'll get a little sort of slow into his blocks. 337 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm not a guy who's best moving 338 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: laterally as much. But when you get him moving forward 339 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: and getting up to the second level, you see some 340 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: real effective stuff. And you know, we tend to think 341 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: of these Oregon linemen as more of the at least. 342 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: The offensive guys. 343 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: I guess is more of the the zone blocking move guys. 344 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 4: But Pregnant is a power player. 345 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: You're right if you're thinking John Harbaugh and you think 346 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: about the impact he's had on the Giants offseason so far, 347 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: bringing all those Baltimore guys there, fitting a certain type 348 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: of tough, bigger physical presence then he's definitely a fit. 349 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: All right. 350 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: If the Giants don't go styles at five, who knows, 351 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: maybe he's not even gonna be on the board because 352 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: you got Robert Salas sitting there and you be like, hey, 353 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: you know who looks like Fred Warner? 354 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: That guy? You know who I like coaching in San Francisco. 355 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: That guy. So we'll see if he even gets to 356 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: the Giants at five. 357 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Sure, but if they don't pick it, I think this 358 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: is a pretty darn good day to off ball linebacker class, 359 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and the two guys that 360 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: I have probably closer to each other than most people 361 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: do on their grades is CJ. Allen and Anthony Hill. 362 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: Both guys are a little bit on the lighter side. 363 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: They both are fast, they run to the ball. Do 364 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: you think one or both of those guys will still 365 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: be there at thirty seven? And how much different do 366 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: you have them in terms of how you have them? 367 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah? 368 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: I mean I've seen people put Alan in first round 369 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: mox and I could you know, I could see it 370 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: certainly on the lower you know, the last ten picks 371 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: or so. 372 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna go much higher than that. 373 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: But you know what kind of hurts him, I think 374 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: is the fact that you have so many options on 375 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: day two. I mean, between Hill and Alan. Possibly he's 376 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: a you know, we'll see fifty to fifty guy. Kyle 377 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: Lewis more of a safety sized guy, coverage backer. Jake 378 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: Golde from Cincinnati, kind of a self made guy and 379 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: really broke out his last year. Jacob Rodriguez, what a 380 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: what a fun story he is. And Jimmy Rolder from 381 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: Michigan I really like as an interior guy. You know, 382 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: Josiah Trotter another interior guy now again with the Giants. 383 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a perfect fit now that 384 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: they have Edmunds or whatever, but again just the depth 385 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: of the class. But Hill is fascinating for sure. I 386 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: mean I really liked him the more I watched him, 387 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: and you know, it felt like his stock has kind 388 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: of gone up and back and it's back on the 389 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 3: way up a. 390 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: Little bit now. 391 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: And you're right, not great length, not great mass, but 392 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: very good athleticism. Four or five guy at the combine. 393 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: You know, I forget what his vertical and his broad word, 394 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: but they were you know, they fit the position for sure. 395 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: And I think he's got three down ability, which obviously 396 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: adds to his portfolio if you will. And you know, 397 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: I mean he had, he had some stuff, kind of 398 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: schemed his. 399 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: Way a little bit. 400 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 3: And although then again, if you think about it, their 401 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: d line wasn't nearly as strong last year as it 402 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: was the year before. 403 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 4: I mean, just the guy said lost and stuff. 404 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: But you know, respectable size, good speed, and enough versatility, coverage, 405 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: run stopping, et cetera to be a perfect kind of 406 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: early to mid second round pick. 407 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I feel like with Edmunds being your bigger, longer, 408 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, blugger for lack of a better term, not 409 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: that he doesn't have length and silent the silence speed, 410 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: but I think you want to pair him with kind 411 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: of a faster running hit guy, and I think Alan Hill, 412 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe even Kyle Lewis. I know he's very light, 413 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: but I think someone that can run with a tight 414 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: end and down the seam a little bit and play 415 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: some of those deeper zone coverages. 416 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: I think that's what I would want to have next 417 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: to Edmunds. That would kind of come in each other 418 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: pretty well. 419 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: And I think the Ravens, I'm trying to think off 420 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 4: the top of my head. 421 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: They've had some guys who have been a little bit 422 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 3: you know, they've had like the Patrick Queen guys you 423 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: know in Trent and Simpson who aren't sort of these 424 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: big hulking linebackers or anything like that. So they have 425 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 3: gone with some small ish guys. And you know, one 426 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: thing Baltimore always did too, is they tended to have 427 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: a lot of mass up front so that they could 428 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: protect those smaller linebackers when they did have them. But 429 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 3: you're right, I mean, that's that's certainly a possibility there. 430 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: Lewis really caught my eye at the Senior ball. I 431 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: thought he had a great week. Every felt like he 432 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: made his presence every single day and at least one 433 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: coverage play per day, which excites me because, as you know, 434 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: it's hard to find coverage linebackers, and I know teams 435 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 3: play a lot of own and I know you're not 436 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: going to ask him to go one on one with 437 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: elite tight ends or backs all the time, but sometimes 438 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: you have to. And you know, it's nice to find 439 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: guys who have that kind of natural ability. So Lewis 440 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: might be in play and he's an instinctive guy and 441 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: he plays tough The one thing about C. G. Allen 442 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 3: is like I kept waiting for more impact plays. I mean, 443 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: he's a good player, you can see it, there's no doubt. 444 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 3: And they will attack those backs a lot too. 445 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: So it threw me off a little. 446 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, and that's why I think he'll 447 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of crept towards him with me, because there were 448 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: more impact plays on Hills tape than there were on Allen. 449 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: So I'm with him that I had that same internal 450 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: conversation in my head that you did. 451 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: All right, you watch him and you're like you want 452 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: him to just take over, you know, like come on, man, 453 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 3: I know you got it, you know, and it's a 454 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: little bit frustrating, and he doesn't. He's not a slobber, 455 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: docker Like, he doesn't come in and just powder guys. 456 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: He's a very good tackler, but it's more of the reliable, 457 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: dragdown tackler as opposed to the thumper. And that's good 458 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: and bad. I mean again, it's just like depends what 459 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: you're looking for. And I would just say Alan wasn't 460 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: as he didn't blow me away. I didn't watch him 461 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: and say well that's a first round pick. But I 462 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: knew he had the kind of ability to be a 463 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: very impactful three down linebacker. 464 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And you don't know what Kirby Smort's 465 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: asking to do eitherough, Like I had this conversation with 466 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: with with DJ at the combine and I'm like, you know, 467 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see Sonny Styles really like, you know, knife 468 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: through gaps and penetrate into the backfield. It was the 469 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: same thing with C down and we had the conversation, Well, 470 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: we don't know what Matt Butt You're was asking Styles 471 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: to We don't know what you know they were asking C. J. 472 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: Allen to do with Georgia. 473 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: So maybe they want them to just read and react 474 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: behind the dominant defensive line. That's gonna hold everyone up. 475 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: Then you just go run ahead and make the play. 476 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: So I'm with you. And that's why, by the way, 477 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: it's so hard to project players from college of the 478 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: NFL because you don't know some of the details behind 479 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: the scenes. All Right, I'm gonna go for some either 480 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: ors here and then maybe we'll hit corner along the way. 481 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna give you a choice here, Giants 482 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: at six, all the top guys you talked about are 483 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: gone Carnell Tait versus Monsieur Delaine. 484 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: Where you're going, good question, Pretty good corner group this year. 485 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, there's some question marks obviously. 486 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you think about you know, Jemal 487 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 3: McCoy missing last year, and some of the older guys 488 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 3: who play the you know in some undersized nickel types 489 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: Avion Terrell and D'Angelo Ponds and stuff. But I think 490 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: it's a group that's that's got some depth to it 491 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: compared to most years. I mean, I never recommend waiting there, 492 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: Like if you have a player you like, it's that's 493 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: a position that's more often than not harder to find 494 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 3: players at. And like when I talked to the pro 495 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: scouting side of people there, I always ask him like, 496 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: what's the hardest thing to find, and it's like left tackle, Well, 497 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: quarterbacks obviously, but left tackles, pass rushers and quarters. 498 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: So you know, it makes. 499 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: Sense to draft those positions high and often. I like 500 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: Tate a lot, though, you know, I mean I don't 501 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: know if I think he's a superstar. And you know, 502 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: Delayne was great last year, and he's always been kind 503 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: of hyped as this guy who's you know, gonna be 504 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 3: a very good corner in the NFL, but didn't have 505 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 3: a lot of playmaking on his tape before last season. 506 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I made these tough for a reason. 507 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, he picked a good one. 508 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's one that could, you know, 509 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: if he doesn't go to the Giants. I think that 510 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: that's the debate that you know, the Commanders could have 511 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah at seven, you could see it at eight, 512 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: and you possible we can see it at nine too. 513 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 4: I mean that's the interesting. 514 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 3: Part is that there could be four or five teams 515 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: that have that exact debate that you just laid out there, 516 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: and it's gonna depend on the team. But for the 517 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: Giants maybe I don't know, that's a tough one. Maybe 518 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: I'd lean slightly to Tate. 519 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: But I like both. 520 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: All right, I think that's a good answer. 521 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to round two, either or and 522 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: same position this time Lee Hunter versus Christen Miller defensive tackles. 523 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good one. 524 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: I mean, Miller to me is it's a little trickier 525 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 3: to figure out exactly what he's gonna be another player, 526 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: kind of like C. J. 527 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: Allen. Ironically, both Georgia guys. 528 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: Where you see the parts and you see what he 529 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: can become, but it's not quite all there yet, and 530 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: it's it's it looks right, but it's not a complete picture. 531 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 4: You know. Hunter is a tricky one for me. 532 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: There are people out there who really like him and 533 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: there are some who are kind of think that, man, 534 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: he's just an unathletic guy who can clog holes and stuff. 535 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 4: At the Seer Bawl. 536 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: He won some one on one battles and he's not 537 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: just your space eater too. I mean, he's got a 538 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 3: little bit of of burst. I would say to get 539 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: into the backfield. I don't think it's gonna gonna result 540 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: in a lot of sacks, but disruptions and stuff. 541 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 4: In terms of what the. 542 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: Giants need, I think he's more of a pure fit. 543 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: But then again, we've also saw and I'm using the 544 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: Ravens obviously because of the Harbaugh factor, but we've seen 545 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: the Ravens take on Kristin Miller type of players, and 546 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 3: you know, like I'm trying to think of a good example, 547 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: but the Texas A and M kid they drafted a 548 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 3: couple of years ago, who. 549 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: Was hurt last year. I'm just blanket on his name. 550 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, detackled, But trust me, he's good. You know, that's 551 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: that's kind of player that he could become. 552 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: So not a man of Hugh, I know who you're 553 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: talking about. 554 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: I just I cannot come up with it right now 555 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: and it's killing me. But I'll try to. I'll try 556 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 4: to do it smoothly here. But yeah, I mean I 557 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 4: when I talked to I made. 558 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: Some calls and just said, like, you know, kind of 559 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: give me the range where these guys are going and stuff. 560 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: And there's some appreciation for Kristin Miller out there, right. 561 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: I didn't realize it wait fully until maybe a month 562 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 3: ago or something like that. So yeah, just a Matta 563 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: BKA's who I was trying to think of. Thank you 564 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: Nom Dye in college. But yes, uh but but yeah, 565 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: So if you think Kristin Miller can become that, that's 566 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 3: a hard thing to turn down. But at the same time, 567 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: if you really want to solve that that run stuffing need, 568 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: I think Hunter might be the better choice. So yeah, 569 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: I mean that that's maybe the way I would go 570 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: in a Giants situation. 571 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 572 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: of crunch time, football. 573 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 4: I'm your man. 574 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 575 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: you should talk to citizens. 576 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 577 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 4: I'd like to learn about a Mollia routine. 578 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 579 00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: money with citizens. 580 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: All right, And now we do a couple of combos 581 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: first and second round picks together. 582 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: All right. 583 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: You can either have Jeremiah Love and Chris Johnson the 584 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: running back in corner in rounds one and two, or 585 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Caleb Downs and wide receiver Denzel Boston. 586 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: Which combination would you prefer? 587 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: Give me the two again, Give me the choices again. 588 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love running back, cornerback, Chris Johnson. That's option one, 589 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: Loving Johnson, Option two, Caleb Downs and Denzel Boston wide receiver. 590 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 591 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: I like Denzel Boston, I do. But I think I 592 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 3: like Chris Johnson better as a second pick, so I 593 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: think I would go that direction. Chris is another player 594 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: who's kinda got some pretty good appreciation around the league. 595 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, not prototypical size, but more than acceptable. 596 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: Six foot almost two hundred pounds, you know, thirty one 597 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 3: inch that's good enough. Ran a four to fourth the combine. 598 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: That's better than I was expecting. I wasn't sure. I 599 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: thought maybe mid. 600 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 4: Forards or high fours four fours is what I meant. 601 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean. 602 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 3: I really liked his tape. I thought the only receivers 603 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: who seemed to really kind of give him trouble were 604 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: those really tong law one long receivers who could occasionally 605 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: get get over him to make plays. But and I 606 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: don't know that he has like elite recovery speed when 607 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: he's when he's beaten. 608 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: Off the line. But man, I'm I'm. 609 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 3: Pretty impressed with him overall, and think he can end 610 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: up being a really nice corner. So you know, you 611 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: pair him with love who you know, say what you will, 612 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: even if it's like it's a need or not or whatever. 613 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: I mean, they'll use him. 614 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: They'll find a way to use him and and and 615 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: pair him with cam and and have the nice duo there. 616 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: And I think I would take that option. I think 617 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: I think that's the way I would go. And again 618 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 3: not to I love Downs and I think he's gonna 619 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 3: end up being a very good pro. But I just 620 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: think the value might be a little stronger with that 621 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: other pairing. 622 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: All right, I think that's good. All right, you mentioned 623 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: the corners day two. 624 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: I think in that Chris Johnson area, you could have 625 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: a lot of good choices here, Eric, in terms of 626 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: guys that are available, Brandon CIEs who who just had 627 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: his pro day the other day. You have colton Hood 628 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: that could be in that range, Pond, So I think 629 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: you could have a pretty good choice of corners there 630 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: at pick thirty seven. And that's assuming guys like Avion, Terrell, 631 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: Colton Hood that those guys are but you know they 632 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: might they might even still be there, who knows. 633 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Terrell, he's pretty high on my board. 634 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: I think I have him as my twenty first or 635 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: second overall prospect. I can't remember the exact number, but 636 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: he's in that low twenties range, and I couldn't find 637 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: a spot for him in round one, you know, And 638 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: that sometimes happens, and it makes you kind of go 639 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: back and say that I miss a team that you know, 640 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: he's been an outside corner, but he's eighty pounds, you know, 641 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: That's that's the worry with him. 642 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: Just like by the way, just like cons I said, 643 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: just like D'Angelo pon, same deal. 644 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: But at least. 645 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: What my point was that at least with Ponds, you've 646 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: seen him extensively in the slot, whereas Terrell has spent 647 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: a little bit of time inside, but he's mostly been 648 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: an outside corner. I'm not that worried about it, but 649 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: I can see teams silking at it and say, we 650 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: don't have an ideal projection here on him. 651 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: But Ponds, I. 652 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: Think both of them energetic play style, tone setters. For 653 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: the size they bring, they're gonna be okay, I think, 654 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you try not to make too 655 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: many exceptions on the size, speed, whatever, physical thresholds, but 656 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: these are guys that I would I would go to 657 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: bat four and pound on the table for I just 658 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: don't know that either one of them can make it 659 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: into the first round. 660 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 4: It's possible, so you're right, that could push down quite 661 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 4: a bit of talent. There may only be. 662 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: Two or three corners in round one, and I think 663 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: you're gonna see a run of that position. You know, 664 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: Hood I think has a chance at round one. McCoy 665 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: I think will be a one, depending on his March 666 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: thirty first as pro day. 667 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 4: I believe big one for him. 668 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: I mean, that's he's got to prove himself. CE say, 669 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: I really liked him at first. I could see him 670 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: getting beat and giving up some separation on tape. And 671 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: I think there's not as much appreciation for him as 672 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: I thought there would be. So he's, I believe, going 673 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: to be a second round pick. Keith Abney is another 674 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: name that I keep hearing a lot on the scouting 675 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: trail from Arizona State. 676 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: He's fast, well built. I don't know that he's I 677 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: think he's very good physically. 678 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: I think it could take him a year to kind 679 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: of adjust to a more complicated scheme. They didn't run 680 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 3: a whole lot of stuff at Arizona State. But he's 681 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: another one that I think could end up sneaking in 682 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: the top fifty. 683 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Former inline skating champion if I remember correctly, right, 684 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: I was. 685 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: Correct when he was thirteen. 686 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: I believe he And that's not ice skating, of course, 687 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: that's like skating with those the blades, you know, right, 688 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: and he I watched some video of him. 689 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: He's incredible, right. I think he's He tried to. 690 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: Do it in Arizona State and the coaches are like, nah, 691 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think his skating days are 692 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 3: over unless football doesn't work out. 693 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure rolling Derby. Roller Derby would be 694 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: on the off season training plan for NFL teams. To 695 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: be totally honest with you, and you know, it's funny, 696 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: like Ponds is interesting because you know you said he 697 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: played a little bit in the slot. 698 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah he did. 699 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: I use something like sixty or seventy snaps there. But man, 700 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: like these it's this weird. You gotta make these transitions 701 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: and stuff. I got three soprolotos for you in your 702 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: opinion from what you've I don't know how much you 703 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: pay attention to other people say about these players too. 704 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Who is the guy that you think people are making 705 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: a really big deal about and you just can't see it. 706 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: Not that they're wrong and you're right, just that you're 707 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: having trouble seeing it. 708 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 4: Good question. I'm trying to think of a good one. 709 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: People have asked me this, and I struggle to come 710 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: up with one immediately, and I'm like, you know, cause 711 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: it's like either I have too many names or not enough. 712 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: Let me pardon me while I scroll through some names here. Ah. 713 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: I hate to say it like this because I don't 714 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: think it's it's the right way to frame it. I mean, 715 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: I'll say that that Caleb Banks needs to do more 716 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: for me to take him in the top fifty. I'm 717 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: not saying he's not a top fifty talent, but after 718 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 3: missing most of the season, and there were definitely some 719 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: flashes the year before, kind of had a rough day 720 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: one at the Senior Bowl, then took over the next 721 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: day and then was you know, solid after that. But 722 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: he's got this injury on top of it. He's a 723 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: confusing one for me. That's that's a tricky one. You know, 724 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: this talk about Jadarian Price being a top forty pick, 725 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: possibly even a late first rounder. 726 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: I like him. 727 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 3: Again, I don't know that he's got anything truly special. 728 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: I think he's a really nice, solid all around back, 729 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 3: and if I got him with, you know, the fifty 730 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: eighth pick in the draft, I'd be pretty happy taking 731 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: him at thirty two, like I put him in my 732 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: mock to the Seahawks, because there's been some buzz about that, 733 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 3: and I just I don't know that I would endorse it, 734 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: you know, like, I don't know that I could get 735 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: behind that even in a draft where you know, after him, 736 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 3: there's there's several you know, there's a big gap or 737 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions. So you know, those are 738 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: a couple that come to mind where it's like, I 739 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: know what you're saying, but I don't know that I'm 740 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: fully on board there. 741 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 4: And I think another one too would be. 742 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: Uh the Ohio State coarder Davis and Nigbinosen looks really good. 743 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: I mean, like physically speaking, looks like exactly what you 744 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: want a corner to look like, and has moments where 745 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: you think, Okay, this is nice, and then just the 746 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: natural feeling coverage isn't quite what I hope for and 747 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: gains gives up some separation. 748 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: All right, And then the last two one does less 749 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: do the opposite the guy that you don't see on 750 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: enough the top fifties or top one hundreds, but you're like, man, 751 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: I love this guy. 752 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Why don't people love this guy like I do? 753 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: The one that well Maxi Andachor from Arizona State, the 754 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: left or right tackle h He's he's fascinating and obviously 755 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: there's some so if you watch his tape against David Bailey, 756 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: that was a fun one. I mean, both guys had wins, 757 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 3: and both guys had their moments for sure, and you 758 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: obviously want to look at prospects going up against guys 759 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 3: of that caliber. I can see him being a very 760 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: good right tackle in this league. I don't again, I 761 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: don't know that it happens immediately. He's got some some 762 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: greenness to him. He's got some technical stuff where you know, 763 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 3: you you see him kind of over setting, you see 764 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: him off balance a little bit. But some of that's 765 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 3: just sort of basic footwork that I think he can 766 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 3: kind of work through a little bit. So kind of 767 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 3: the basketball center kind of build, you know, where he's 768 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna work out really well. And if 769 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: he gets the right year one strength and development, I 770 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 3: think he could end up being pretty darn good. Let 771 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: me try to think of a another good one. You know, 772 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: I mentioned Jake Goldey earlier. I really like him as 773 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 3: a player. Although there's I think there's enough appreciation for him. 774 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: Let me let me see if I could, oh perfect 775 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 3: one the the corner, I mean the safety rather Bud Clark, Okay, 776 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like the nose for the ball 777 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 3: is really good. The the you know, almost never out 778 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: of position. You know, he'll he'll he'll take his chances 779 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: and miss. But like I think he's he's pretty darn solid, 780 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 3: end up being a starting safety in this in this group, now. 781 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 2: I'm with him, all right. 782 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: Final one, who's the guy day three preferable but doesn't 783 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: have to Maybe maybe maybe late day two that you 784 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: would consider like your pet cat that you just love 785 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: to turn on the tape and watch them when you 786 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: like you're in a bad mood. You just want to 787 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: feel better about things, Like you put on the tape 788 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh boy, this guy just makes me happy. 789 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 3: Probably Cayden Weechin from Iowa. 790 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 4: He's been a popular name. 791 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: It's like part of it is when you watch him, 792 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: you think, why didn't they use him on offense? 793 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 4: This is Iowa. 794 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 3: This was a team that struggled badly for the last 795 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 3: several years to generate more than the thirteen points a game. 796 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 4: They still win a lot, but I mean that's the 797 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 4: one where it's. 798 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 3: Like, I'm fascinated to see what he could be because 799 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 3: of that that open field ability and you know, can 800 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 3: he play a little running back, Can he be a receiver? 801 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 3: Obviously we know the return game is there, so that's 802 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 3: that's a pretty good one. I would say Mike Washington 803 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: from Arkansas if you're looking for another running back. He 804 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: kind of fascinates me a little bit, and I think 805 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: he's he's growing on me the more I've watched him, 806 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 3: and obviously his workout numbers were really good. The case 807 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 3: States center Sam Hack I thought was he and and 808 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 3: and Brockabuyer from Miami both kind of the undersize not undersize. Yeah, 809 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: I'm not big, you know, they're just they're smaller guys. 810 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 3: You have to play him at center, maybe guard, but 811 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 3: I think probably center only prospects. But you know, they 812 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: they were hyper competitive in one on ones at the 813 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. Both had very solid tape. Both programs have 814 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 3: have done well. Obviously one of them's NFL legacy there 815 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: and in Brockmeyer. But you know, I look at what 816 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 3: the Colts found in Tanner BORDERLINI and I kind of 817 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 3: think that that, you know, Hecked especially has a chance 818 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 3: to be that kind of blocker where he's not a 819 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 3: super big guy but competes through the whistle. Very smart player, 820 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: good technique, you know, doesn't get called for holds, doesn't 821 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 3: miss assignments badly. 822 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 4: You know, solid enough athlete. 823 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 3: And what he lacks in pure power, I think he 824 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: makes up for in other areas. 825 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 2: Eric, good stuff, my friend. 826 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: We can see all of Eric Aedholmes stuff and content 827 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: on NFL dot com. His top one hundreds there as 828 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: mock draft will be there. If not already, it should 829 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: be in a moment. That's Eric Henelm. Thank you so 830 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: much of the time, my friend. Good to talk to you. 831 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 4: Thank you, it was a pleasure. 832 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: Giants on the. 833 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: Podcast brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants 834 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: from the podcast Studio, presented by Hackensackmony Health, keep getting better. 835 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: We will see you next time. And everybody